Movies like Captain America: Brave New World, The Fantastic Four: First Steps, and Thunderbolts* should have post-credits that should lead up to Doomsday and teased Doom
Dig most of this speculation except for Alioth. Stealing Celestial power sounds like the play being that they created the multiverse. I think it's still possible that Wanda is the Molecule Man stand-in as she's prophesied to be integral to multiverse. Perhaps with elements cribbed from Children's Crusade where she is his wife and under his control. Perhaps from knowledge gleened from the Darkhold before Wanda destroyed it. Also a good way to inform audiences of his mastery of magic. Anyway, great video.
I think he’ll harness the powers of Galactus, the power of Loki, and I would prefer at least one more power he needs to take. Sort of like he did in Marvel Ultimate Alliance
Battleworld will definitely be the void, but there will be different kingdoms or territories controlled by certain characters like in Hickman's secret wars
They always illustrate Dr. doom sitting on the throne. Low-key has a throne. If you’re bringing Robert Downey Jr. back to end the Multiverse saga, what better way to hear him against Loki. The original hero and villain combo from the first avengers.
The way I see it: Loki will be Dr. Doom's Molecule Man...and about RDJ being Dr. Doom..I feel like in order to get access to deceased Tony Stark's weapons and properties, Dr.Doom will himself look like Tony Stark..
Wait, if we go by the “new rewritten Universe” Battleworld with fake history …What if Doom is just always masked until Secret Wars, and then he creates a new world where he is praised by everyone as the greatest hero, so he just gives himself Stark’s face to gaslight everyone?!!
Doom is gonna mass murder the Council of Kangs, the same way he killed the Beyonders using Molecule Man. Council of Kangs = Beyonders Molecule Man = Loki Maybe due to the teleportation-time travel platform makes it possible for him to connect Council of Kangs to Loki, so that when he kills them, Loki absorbs all their powers through his Yggdrasil Multiverse tree. 2 scenarios after this: A. We find out that most of the Kangs are in fact Anchor Beings, thereby triggering the domino effect of multiple Incursions happening all at once, one by one. B. Doom destroys the TVA & Yggdrasil multiverse of Loki and takes him hostage (like he did with Molecule Man) as Loki now encompasses all the powers of space-time. Now, for the Final Incursion, Victor uses Loki as a Battery Powerhouse to become God Emperor Doom and shows up on Earth which is on the verge of collision with 838 Earth. Reed uses his Life Raft to save as many people as possible. God Emperor Doom tries to salvage everything from the multiverse to create the Battleworld using his newfound powers.
Doom also uses manipulation and bribery to one’s desires. He may just offer Loki freedom from the throne with promises of Loki’s ideal life given to him.
You are right about Doom using manipulation but Loki isn't going to fall for that after going through one of the best character arcs I have ever seen. His sacrifice is too great
@@ZachPombier depends how long he’s been holding it together when Doom shows up. I highly doubt Loki doesn’t feel the passage of time, however his exact point in it never changes. That has to be maddening. Loki, God-trickster, could get trickster-ed. Yet, Loki still win by getting to live out his best life. He could have been there since time memorial given rules of MCU time and timelines.
I actually think he's just going to convince Loki to help him. Loki understands that he himself can not win, as he is chaos, and temporary. His nature is in grained and affects everything he touches. So Doom might be exactly the expression of free will Loki was waiting for, a final solution to recreate the multiverse.
Still like the idea that 616 actually has already been rewritten this whole time by Wanda in a future timeline using “no more mutuants” perhaps manipulated by doom but as the multiverse has been cracking apart, that’s slowly allowing them to exist again
They merely adopted the nerdiness; I was born a nerd, molded into one. I didn't see the light until i came out of the den , by then it was nothing to me but a den of nerds. 😉🤣🤣
It’s honestly an ingenious idea…who’s the next being in the universe bigger and badder than Thanos? The guy who defeated him…now turn him 189 degrees to his most malicious and biggidy bam there’s your big bad
I think the battle world will be the last man standing kind of thing. When the last version of a hero stays alive, he transferred to the earth of Dr. Doom. And loki will try to stop them from killing each other and make a team against him.
I have one want. Of course, just make awesome films and thats all I expect. Judge what we do get on its own merits and not unrealistic expectations and wild speculation. I want to see more Celestials. expectations.
Here's why I think its The Void that we have been seeing. Okham's Razor, is number one reason because if you are saying they are gonna create a whole new thing that is basically like the thing they already have, that seems too complicated. It will be the one you have. Secondly, we heard that Ryan Reynolds didn't wanna do The Void and Smoke monster, but KevieFeige mandated that part. It does feel the weakest part of the movie, so it does track that Ryan was asked to shoe-horn it in. I think you are right that the reason they wouldn't wanna use The Void is cos it tastes like Phase 4. So Doctor Doom is gonna have to do a lot of world building in his BattleWorld. Man, RDJ has an impossible task!
1) Wanda creates Doctor Doom with her chaos magic and does so in the image of her 616 tormentor, Tony Stark. Maybe she even creates the entire timeline in the Fantastic Four movie 2) she creates him so OP and powerful, with all the brains and ingenuity of 616 Tony Stark but none of his reservations or conscience, so the heroes cannot stop him - much in the same way that Wanda was powerless to stop Tony from creating weapons that killed her family, creating Ultron who killed her brother, and splitting up the Avengers which led to Thanos killing Vision 3) after fulfilling her prophecy to destroy the Multiverse by creating Doom, it will be her who the heroes have to turn to in order to stop Doom and save the Multiverse 4) I'm just going to keep sharing this theory, however unlikely, because I like it so much 😈😛
If the celestials are the technology that creates the Multiverse that means that whatever happens in Captain America 4 will have immense implications on the Multiverse depending on what happens with the island around the celestial
I believe Galactus will be killed off only to return as Aliath. They both have this insatiable hunger. Maybe the entity he carries is Aliath. If we all remember, Galactus was a big stormy cloud on Fantastic 4 - rise of the silver surfer. Maybe that's what Galactus is.
Doom becomes gold emporer doom and kicks Loki off the throne giving Loki hulks role in infinity war to warn the avengers and becomes avenger prime to start recruiting from the end of time
Naw bro Kang is still otw. Just marvel got the rights back for most of roster and did a pivot play. But they even said in the commentary for endgame. now that time travel has been put in play they don't have to tell stories the same anymore. So they can go to the end then the beginning and fill it all in. It's like plup fiction and how they told the end then the middle then the beginning
For the 1000th time Doom never captured the God Of Stories version. He captures Agent of Asgard. This takes place in Agent of Asgard storyline at the end of which Loki remakes himself into the GOS. Doom capturing GOS Loki is incorrect chronologically.
I know lol. This is just another guy glorifying doom. Don't get me wrong, doom is a great villain but they keep putting him on a pedestal. Doom, as the villain has to either die or be defeated so he can't be the god of a new universe. I don't even know why he would even think that
@unculturedswine9984 it's also funny how everyone is pretending that God Emperor Doom is Doom's default power setting. Like really? He only becomes that powerful after stealing powers, and its only for the Secret Wars story. Like Rune King Thor or Phoenix Wolverine exist, but that is not the standard. Base Doom is super smart, but at default he's basically Batman with magical abilities not a Superman with world-ending power.
@@mockingjay4776 exactly. The problem is that none of these "fans" actually know the characters so they hate the movies because they didn't understand them. That's what happened with Kang. Casuals are part of the problem
Look it’s just this right here about the whole marvel rdj thing, it’s so confusing and now that it’s out exactly what I said the second sdcc announcement I said he’s von doom not tony and people still argue that a lot of marvel fans don’t know like me if this will even work, without tony and the whole rdj thing shouldn’t have ever been announced but you do cast him as doom and keep Kang up until doom starts stealing powers then this works it doesn’t any other way bc secret wars is all villains and all hero’s fighting this is what I’d want
Within the next 10 years if we dont have Franklin utter the words "To me, my Galactus" they failed. I also think they fail if they ever have the enigma force appear unless its held by Loki god of stories. God of stories loki may also wield the Odin force of every dimension at once.
Do you really have to wonder who Doom is going to victimize? It is Marvel's favorite victim. Wanda. She doesn't seem to serve any other role in the Avengers movies. The nexus commercial in WandaVision hinted at her being the anchor being but if they have moved away from that then there is no other role for her assuming she will be in the Avengers movies.
Same mask… same task…. RDJ doctor doom is going to be a good guy and another doom will be a bad guy who will become God emperor doom and the RDJ version will help the multiverse avengers fight God emperor doom. What’s better than seeing Dr doom on the big screen with sorcery and powers?? Another Dr doom but he will be for the greater good and when they beat God Emperor doom, the RDJ one will turn on them and kang will come in and help the avengers
Marvel won’t just drop the Kang storyline . That’s wishful thinking . That’s a deep seated desire by some “fans” to delete phase 4 and 5 . That will never happen. Everything is part of the narrative and Marvel never drops any storylines. They brought the Leader back 15 years later . Like let’s be real . Also Kangs variants rule over other universes . Doom has to travel to every universe in the Marvel Multi-universe to destroy all his variants . Smh .
I like the idea of RDJ showing up at that Kang colosseum and stealing all their powers. Immortus said he called all of them so it’s an easy way to power up RDJ and wipe out all traces of Kang.
RDJ should only return to play Tony Stark, whatever they are cooking is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. It’s definitely not gonna get me in line and buy a ticket. Just like Evans isn’t returning to be Cap in CA4. I’m definitely not gonna buy me a ticket to see that movie. Wasn’t a big fan of Red Hulk and I lost interest of Marvel to bate me to go see because of Harrison Ford. Now if you put Evan coming back to the fold and have the Hulk fighting Red Hulk and kicking his Arse, then sure. But they won’t Falcon was fine as a sidekick, making him carrying the shield is dumb. No true fan of Captain America wants Falcon as Captain America. Give us the real deal, RDJ as Stark and Evan as Cap.
Maybe Loki will become Dr. Doom's Molecule Man in the MCU considering the power he wields rn. Easier than introducing new character to do it.
This has to be case. Either him, Wanda, or Franklin richards
Don't forget about Franklin. If Doom steals Franklin Richards powers, it would give him godlike powers that he could use to create a new universe.
That's not likely to happen.We franklin richards is the one we depend on to reboot the universe afterwards like in the comics
Why not both
Maybe Scarlet Witch will sacrifice herself to save Franklin
Dr doom ain’t doing all that in 2 hours lol
4-6 Hours*
infinity war and endgame together are 5.5 hours😂😂
Movies like Captain America: Brave New World, The Fantastic Four: First Steps, and Thunderbolts* should have post-credits that should lead up to Doomsday and teased Doom
Dig most of this speculation except for Alioth. Stealing Celestial power sounds like the play being that they created the multiverse. I think it's still possible that Wanda is the Molecule Man stand-in as she's prophesied to be integral to multiverse. Perhaps with elements cribbed from Children's Crusade where she is his wife and under his control. Perhaps from knowledge gleened from the Darkhold before Wanda destroyed it. Also a good way to inform audiences of his mastery of magic. Anyway, great video.
Really great vid, the Loki / Doom interaction is so interesting, hadn’t really thought of that
I think he’ll harness the powers of Galactus, the power of Loki, and I would prefer at least one more power he needs to take. Sort of like he did in Marvel Ultimate Alliance
Been waiting four hours for this video! Hellooo?! 😀😭🔥 that’d be sooo epic seeing Loki and the Avengers throw down against RDJ Doom 😮💨🤘🏽🔥🧦
Excellent Questions! I think a lot of your theories are plausible here, for sure! Cant wait to see how they execute this one!!
Maybe Loki has been 616 anchor being the whole time
Battleworld will definitely be the void, but there will be different kingdoms or territories controlled by certain characters like in Hickman's secret wars
I love the longer videos with the serious nerd rants. ❤
I think the plan is a switcheroo. Loki the hero RDJ the villain 🤯
They always illustrate Dr. doom sitting on the throne. Low-key has a throne. If you’re bringing Robert Downey Jr. back to end the Multiverse saga, what better way to hear him against Loki. The original hero and villain combo from the first avengers.
Tom Huddleston vs Robert Downey Jr is actually epic beef 🤯
I think Cassandra Nova’s plan in the last act of Deadpool and Wolverine was a clear hint at what’s about to happen.
The way I see it: Loki will be Dr. Doom's Molecule Man...and about RDJ being Dr. Doom..I feel like in order to get access to deceased Tony Stark's weapons and properties, Dr.Doom will himself look like Tony Stark..
Imagine the intro to doomsday being Doom ripping Kangs heart out and everyone in the theatre shits their pants.
Wait, if we go by the “new rewritten Universe” Battleworld with fake history …What if Doom is just always masked until Secret Wars, and then he creates a new world where he is praised by everyone as the greatest hero, so he just gives himself Stark’s face to gaslight everyone?!!
Dope theories Josh
Battleworld is going to be the Void. We'll likely see a lot of deleted characters show up again there.
an AMAZING video josh thank u for this
Doom is gonna mass murder the Council of Kangs, the same way he killed the Beyonders using Molecule Man.
Council of Kangs = Beyonders
Molecule Man = Loki
Maybe due to the teleportation-time travel platform makes it possible for him to connect Council of Kangs to Loki, so that when he kills them, Loki absorbs all their powers through his Yggdrasil Multiverse tree.
2 scenarios after this:
A. We find out that most of the Kangs are in fact Anchor Beings, thereby triggering the domino effect of multiple Incursions happening all at once, one by one.
B. Doom destroys the TVA & Yggdrasil multiverse of Loki and takes him hostage (like he did with Molecule Man) as Loki now encompasses all the powers of space-time.
Now, for the Final Incursion, Victor uses Loki as a Battery Powerhouse to become God Emperor Doom and shows up on Earth which is on the verge of collision with 838 Earth.
Reed uses his Life Raft to save as many people as possible.
God Emperor Doom tries to salvage everything from the multiverse to create the Battleworld using his newfound powers.
Doom also uses manipulation and bribery to one’s desires. He may just offer Loki freedom from the throne with promises of Loki’s ideal life given to him.
You are right about Doom using manipulation but Loki isn't going to fall for that after going through one of the best character arcs I have ever seen. His sacrifice is too great
@@ZachPombier depends how long he’s been holding it together when Doom shows up. I highly doubt Loki doesn’t feel the passage of time, however his exact point in it never changes. That has to be maddening. Loki, God-trickster, could get trickster-ed. Yet, Loki still win by getting to live out his best life. He could have been there since time memorial given rules of MCU time and timelines.
I actually think he's just going to convince Loki to help him. Loki understands that he himself can not win, as he is chaos, and temporary. His nature is in grained and affects everything he touches. So Doom might be exactly the expression of free will Loki was waiting for, a final solution to recreate the multiverse.
You hit on something with the thought of Dr. Doom stealing Alyith power.
Still like the idea that 616 actually has already been rewritten this whole time by Wanda in a future timeline using “no more mutuants” perhaps manipulated by doom but as the multiverse has been cracking apart, that’s slowly allowing them to exist again
0:50 “But we are initiated, aren’t we Josh? Members of the den of nerds…”
They merely adopted the nerdiness; I was born a nerd, molded into one. I didn't see the light until i came out of the den , by then it was nothing to me but a den of nerds. 😉🤣🤣
@@ItsEctoPlasma I’m glad you got the reference! Thanks for making my day. 🦇
They need to make a comic book where Dr. Doom takes Ghost Rider powers
It’s honestly an ingenious idea…who’s the next being in the universe bigger and badder than Thanos? The guy who defeated him…now turn him 189 degrees to his most malicious and biggidy bam there’s your big bad
Doomsday really needs to be the real empire strikes back for marvel.
Dude 🔥.
Well, if Tom Holland's Spider-Man was an anchor being or the Anchor Being then Thanos' Infinity Snap wouldn't have dusted him.
I feel like they’re gonna switch it to Atlanta, but I really want the 616 addition to Battleworld to be Denver like in the comics
Your right he isn't in 2 hours but he might across a few films....
I think the battle world will be the last man standing kind of thing. When the last version of a hero stays alive, he transferred to the earth of Dr. Doom.
And loki will try to stop them from killing each other and make a team against him.
I have one want. Of course, just make awesome films and thats all I expect. Judge what we do get on its own merits and not unrealistic expectations and wild speculation.
I want to see more Celestials.
expectations.
Here's why I think its The Void that we have been seeing. Okham's Razor, is number one reason because if you are saying they are gonna create a whole new thing that is basically like the thing they already have, that seems too complicated. It will be the one you have. Secondly, we heard that Ryan Reynolds didn't wanna do The Void and Smoke monster, but KevieFeige mandated that part. It does feel the weakest part of the movie, so it does track that Ryan was asked to shoe-horn it in. I think you are right that the reason they wouldn't wanna use The Void is cos it tastes like Phase 4. So Doctor Doom is gonna have to do a lot of world building in his BattleWorld. Man, RDJ has an impossible task!
Hype!!!!!!
1) Wanda creates Doctor Doom with her chaos magic and does so in the image of her 616 tormentor, Tony Stark. Maybe she even creates the entire timeline in the Fantastic Four movie
2) she creates him so OP and powerful, with all the brains and ingenuity of 616 Tony Stark but none of his reservations or conscience, so the heroes cannot stop him - much in the same way that Wanda was powerless to stop Tony from creating weapons that killed her family, creating Ultron who killed her brother, and splitting up the Avengers which led to Thanos killing Vision
3) after fulfilling her prophecy to destroy the Multiverse by creating Doom, it will be her who the heroes have to turn to in order to stop Doom and save the Multiverse
4) I'm just going to keep sharing this theory, however unlikely, because I like it so much 😈😛
So we can see the repercussions of the hero's leaving
Extrapolating from recent trends, my guess is God Doom will be defeated by Lou Ferrigno Hulk.
As long as they don't call it Battle World.
If the celestials are the technology that creates the Multiverse that means that whatever happens in Captain America 4 will have immense implications on the Multiverse depending on what happens with the island around the celestial
I believe Galactus will be killed off only to return as Aliath. They both have this insatiable hunger. Maybe the entity he carries is Aliath. If we all remember, Galactus was a big stormy cloud on Fantastic 4 - rise of the silver surfer. Maybe that's what Galactus is.
Avengers are forced to put the book through Timely's window in order to start sacred timeline under He Who Remains. Cyclical.
Maybe Oliath Is a variant of Galactus ?
King Thanos is coming
Make it a Future Foundation film
Or doom can get the same thing they gave Gia… The harvest… maybe that’s to simple 😂
What could happen if the anchor being from 616 were snapped away for those 5 years?
Battle world will just the be void...
Why is no one talking about Doombots?
Using Doombots to steal powers would be good plot points!
Hey Josh. I backed Unity, but is there any update on the printed version? It's nice you sent the pdf, but I didn't pay for a pdf.
Doom becomes gold emporer doom and kicks Loki off the throne giving Loki hulks role in infinity war to warn the avengers and becomes avenger prime to start recruiting from the end of time
Naw bro Kang is still otw. Just marvel got the rights back for most of roster and did a pivot play. But they even said in the commentary for endgame. now that time travel has been put in play they don't have to tell stories the same anymore. So they can go to the end then the beginning and fill it all in. It's like plup fiction and how they told the end then the middle then the beginning
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Bro what if it's called spiderman battle world like how they have the one off pov comic alongside secret wars comics
For the 1000th time Doom never captured the God Of Stories version. He captures Agent of Asgard. This takes place in Agent of Asgard storyline at the end of which Loki remakes himself into the GOS. Doom capturing GOS Loki is incorrect chronologically.
I know lol. This is just another guy glorifying doom. Don't get me wrong, doom is a great villain but they keep putting him on a pedestal. Doom, as the villain has to either die or be defeated so he can't be the god of a new universe. I don't even know why he would even think that
@unculturedswine9984 it's also funny how everyone is pretending that God Emperor Doom is Doom's default power setting. Like really? He only becomes that powerful after stealing powers, and its only for the Secret Wars story. Like Rune King Thor or Phoenix Wolverine exist, but that is not the standard. Base Doom is super smart, but at default he's basically Batman with magical abilities not a Superman with world-ending power.
@@mockingjay4776 exactly. The problem is that none of these "fans" actually know the characters so they hate the movies because they didn't understand them. That's what happened with Kang. Casuals are part of the problem
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Look it’s just this right here about the whole marvel rdj thing, it’s so confusing and now that it’s out exactly what I said the second sdcc announcement I said he’s von doom not tony and people still argue that a lot of marvel fans don’t know like me if this will even work, without tony and the whole rdj thing shouldn’t have ever been announced but you do cast him as doom and keep Kang up until doom starts stealing powers then this works it doesn’t any other way bc secret wars is all villains and all hero’s fighting this is what I’d want
Sounds like Dragon Ball Super Hero’s
Nah. Screw the void. GIVE US BATTLEWORLD
What if doom takes Lokis power?
IDC WHAT HAPPENS, ALL I WANT IS FOR LOKI TO COME BACK TO MCU, PLEASE I NEED A REUINION OF HIM AND THOR
Kang conquered the multiverse already so Doom is gonnna do the same lol
I hope they don’t use the void. That’s the cheap way out… just do the real battle world and build a freaking planet smh got dang 😂
Your theories almost always turn inaccurate - get yourself together Josh!
What if dr doom comes to 616 to take the power from the celestial that was coming out in eternals
Within the next 10 years if we dont have Franklin utter the words "To me, my Galactus" they failed. I also think they fail if they ever have the enigma force appear unless its held by Loki god of stories. God of stories loki may also wield the Odin force of every dimension at once.
Battle world
battle world
Why not make Spider-Man 4 in the Fantastic 4 Universe
Do you really have to wonder who Doom is going to victimize? It is Marvel's favorite victim. Wanda. She doesn't seem to serve any other role in the Avengers movies. The nexus commercial in WandaVision hinted at her being the anchor being but if they have moved away from that then there is no other role for her assuming she will be in the Avengers movies.
Anyone count how many times he said battle world
I hope the Russos make the new movies somehow link back to the infinity saga.
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Same mask… same task…. RDJ doctor doom is going to be a good guy and another doom will be a bad guy who will become God emperor doom and the RDJ version will help the multiverse avengers fight God emperor doom. What’s better than seeing Dr doom on the big screen with sorcery and powers?? Another Dr doom but he will be for the greater good and when they beat God Emperor doom, the RDJ one will turn on them and kang will come in and help the avengers
Iron man is the anchor for 616 no? I know he died and the planet stayed alive but it can’t be Spider-Man or can it?
In reality, who is the character that has been the anchor being for Marvel Comics?
Marvel won’t just drop the Kang storyline . That’s wishful thinking . That’s a deep seated desire by some “fans” to delete phase 4 and 5 . That will never happen. Everything is part of the narrative and Marvel never drops any storylines. They brought the Leader back 15 years later . Like let’s be real . Also Kangs variants rule over other universes . Doom has to travel to every universe in the Marvel Multi-universe to destroy all his variants . Smh .
Waaaaa
I like the idea of RDJ showing up at that Kang colosseum and stealing all their powers. Immortus said he called all of them so it’s an easy way to power up RDJ and wipe out all traces of Kang.
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Who thinks Sora & Mickey can low diff God Doom !!! 😅
Probably someone with a few extra chromosomes
RDJ should only return to play Tony Stark, whatever they are cooking is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. It’s definitely not gonna get me in line and buy a ticket. Just like Evans isn’t returning to be Cap in CA4. I’m definitely not gonna buy me a ticket to see that movie. Wasn’t a big fan of Red Hulk and I lost interest of Marvel to bate me to go see because of Harrison Ford. Now if you put Evan coming back to the fold and have the Hulk fighting Red Hulk and kicking his Arse, then sure. But they won’t Falcon was fine as a sidekick, making him carrying the shield is dumb. No true fan of Captain America wants Falcon as Captain America. Give us the real deal, RDJ as Stark and Evan as Cap.
Is it dumb because he’s black?
anchor beings is just bad storytelling..