No, she just was reading the book and she gets to the end of the book and feels a sense of accomplishment but then she looks up and realizes what her life is and knows that she is on line to the gallows after the the more troublesome youkai are eliminated with other enemies she knows she will be next in line like the leader of a dying country knowing eventually the enemy will get to him/her and kill him/her.
@@kalecavanaugh4067 I think ZUN said he wouldn't do Phantasm stages anymore. In Toby Fox's interview with ZUN, ZUN said that he did a Phantasm stage because while developing PCB, he felt like he constantly had to one-up himself, and he isn't really doing that anymore. Go check out the interview and you'll see what he said.
Something interesting about the Touhou lore is that Alice's grimoire is considered a rare treasure of Gensokyo. Even the three faries living in the Forest of Magic had heard the legend about "a grimoire that shines brilliantly in seven colors". Just what is that book?
Who knows, maybe it's actually more powerful than Yukari or Shinki's spells. Maybe Alice is the most powerful being in Gensokyo. I mean, if she keeps it locked and sealed because of her not wanting to use her full power, then she must be more powerful than we think.
If she keeps it with her at all times yet never ONCE opens it, it's gotta be something pretty damn destructive. One day, though... Something will happen. Gensokyo will end up in a truly dire situation, and she'll open the book once more. Given enough time, even the smallest possibility becomes a certainty.
Actually, that is a long running gag. Zun maybe kinda forgetful at times. Alice's eye colour changes nearly in every game, just like Sakuya's Bre (knived)
She single handily wiped an entire universes cannon on its head with a single book, and yet she is the weakest extra boss... Damn Touhou girls are extremely OP
I still believe that Alice cast a universal recreation spell after the ending of Mystic Square, and she is the only one who remembers what the heck happend before TH06... Well, since ZUN already stated that Alice is a special character in 2hu universe (and we don't know exactly what this means), anything is possible
A Shooting Star in yuuka's story, reimu says "everything went back to normal when i defeated you back then!" and marisa says "if she were here right now..." who else could she be talking about?
After when Reimu was defeated, didn't she act like she was talking about something else? And I guess I can see how you think that, but when I played I thought she was talking about Reimu haha.
What if pc 98 is just a story of Alice's grimoire that got real and that Alice is only substitute and the actual alice is Grimoire to observe the pc 98 character. I mean she never let's it go also another thing would be that alice is only vessel for grimoire. Yeah random stuff.
@@User-gk1yi Marisa fights a Fairy, and "wins" Alice fights 2 Powerful Youkai and 2 other Girls, and destroys the world, she is BY FAR the strongest Magician.
All the theories are interesting on Alice's potential. Though, I find it odd that some forgot one bit of info. Didn't her book get damaged at some point. Ripped pages damaged. If that is to be treated as canon, then we can say that Alice can't use the strongest of magic because parts of the strongest spells are on missing pages.
I didn't know that but I like it since it can be used to explain why she claims to have sealed the grimoire. If no one knows its damaged to the point of being near useless (or even just reduced in power) then sealing it makes her look responsible AND powerful. She is essentially bluffing.
NoGoodHandlesLeft That is a possibility. There's two other possibilities as well. 1: The book may have been sealed to prevent further damage. 2: The book may have been sealed to prevent whatever damage may happen from unleashing fragments of a spell that has no means of stopping.
Have you heard the theory that PC-98 Alice is actually still in what remains of Makai, and Windows Alice is just one of her dolls? it's probably complete BS, but really cool nonetheless.
The Shade Sorcerer It's a good theory, but I don't believe it. Alice is said to have tried creating a more self aware doll. However, it has been said by some that she has been unsuccessful. To create a doll that almost looks and acts human in her place would be more difficult than making a self aware doll.
She doesn't like to use all her power in battle. According to the character bios in the manuals and such, if she were to open and lose again, it would be proof to her that she hasn't gotten any stronger at all and she'd have no reason to keep going.
Huh. So basically, she doesn't like the idea of relying on the Grimoire to cheese fights for her, and wants to get stronger by herself. That's pretty deep actually.
When I first saw this picture, I said~ "Oh look, it's Marisa without her hat in a white dress" (Took me a week to figure out this was Alice, and not a young Marisa.)
If there was ever a last Touhou game I would guess that the incident would be: Alice's Grimoire was stolen by someone and is using it to destroy Gensokyo or destroying the barrier of the human world and Gensokyo or Alice Lost control or something? Making her use the Grimoir and her full power for destruction. Either Alice will probably appear as an Extra stage boss or a stage 6 boss and the culprit is also in vice versa.
Maybe she could be a playable character as well, like in a gensokyo sized treasure hunt with : Reimu and yukari, Marisa and Alice and the three fairies of light (they might work like mari patchi in touhou 11 since they were after Alice's book in a touhou comic)
I could totally see this in an IN sorta game, where each of the main protagonists is paired up with one of the stronger Youkai/People of Gensokyo; ex: Reimu/Yukari, Reisen/Eirin, Sanae/Kanako (or Suwako), Youmu/Yuyuko, Sakuya/Remillia (or flandre?) heck if were allowing ourselves beyond the Protagonists, give us like, i dunno; Komachi/Eiki, Satori/Koishi, Maybe something like Aya/Suika? i dunno! but a final touhou game like this would be really cool.
what if someone captured reimu, marisa, and yuuka, the last remnants of the old timeline, and threatened their life to pressure alice into using the grimoire, wanting to witness its power
This is rife with late 90's - mid 2000's Rockman vibes. Something about it just... feels like a Wily Castle theme, but I can't quite place my finger on it.
Alice could be the strongest character if she'd use the Grimoire book,but i guess she's just afraid. Also like blara2401 stated the grimoire contains the most powerful magic there is, also in some legends its called "The Grand Grimoire" So i agree to that, she got in it the human world.
According to "The Grimoire of Marisa" Reimu's Fantasy Heaven was too powerful to be a spellcard until Marisa gave it a time limit. (Even then, Fantasy Heaven is still overkill in Hisoutensoku) I'd guess that the Grimoire's best magic is also too powerful to be used as a spellcard.
CrypticNazo The Grimoire of Marisa was written by ZUN. ZUN just doesn't go and make canon random fan works. In fact, he has said that he doesn't want to be influenced by fan works.
Like I said, my mistake :p I realize English doesn't have any way to convey lightheartness or sarcasm in text like this, but I'm not even the slightest bit upset or offended. I've corrected it anyway.
*[Alice of the Magic Land]* ALICE In the games on the PC-98, Alice lived in Makai calling herself "The Magician of Makai" and had a black book that's called the "Grimoire of Alice". She also created her own "Wonderland" in Makai and fought with five colours: red, blue, purple, green and yellow. (from TouhouWiki) ZUN's comment about the track: "Compared to my other extra stage boss themes, this has heavy emphasis on the rhythm. No matter how cheap their attacks are, emerge victorious with a superior groove (^^;;"
(EDIT : After numerous people replied to this comment, I have chosen to preface it to give some context. I wrote this comment when I was 13 years old. I was quite into Game Theory at the time and the PC-98 translation patches weren't out yet. At that time, it was commonly believed that these games were "darker" than their Windows counterparts, and so like the edgy teenager I was, I took advantage of that. There are several comments of about the same level of cringe left all around TH-cam. Though I can't delete all of them, I usually remove any I come across. This one, though, attracted considerable attention and so, I chose to write this preface instead. Oh, and as for the possibly wonky English - I was still learning the language at the time.) ---------------------------------------- I have it all covered, guys. The canon reboot. I have an explanation for it. Well it is a theory, but I do believe in it myself. The cast of playable characters in Mystic Square went as follows: Reimu, Marisa, Mima, Yuuka. Oddly enough, three of these four survived the reboot. The fourth one is, as we know, Alice. And here it goes. Notice that Alice had no particular reason to be in Stage 3. She just was there, for no explicit motive or anything. And where was she going? To where you came from. The human world. Consider this: if Alice IS, like fans have speculated, Shinki's adoptive daughter, why would she go away? Well, it has been said that Makai is actually highly poisonous to humans, am I right? And what was Alice at that time? A human, yes indeed. Her only chance would be...not to be human anymore. Now it is actually unknown where the Grimoire was located before she took hold of it -it could be anywhere actually, but I have some reasons to think it was somewhere in the human world -hence she was going this way. But have you ever stopped to consider what kind of powers this thing bears? According to the user herself, "the most powerful magic you've ever seen", and in Gensokyo, you gotta say, that's quite a thing. If it is so powerful, that could pretty much mean a simple thing: a human taking possession of it, better, TAMING IT, to use it when she wants to, would shift the whole power balance of Gensokyo. I do mean the WHOLE thing. And let me tell you, shifting that kind of balance is not a good idea. The consequences can be pretty extreme. You know, such as unleashing a powerful spell of magical destruction that would make everyone vanish away? Oh wait, doesn't that sound familiar. The four survivors help this theory even better: _Reimu is a miko, she is protected by divine powers; _Yuuka is insanely powerful, being capable of a genocide as a simple GAME. So she could pretty much shield herself. _Alice was immune since the spell came from what she was holding. _Marisa, however, is my strongest proof. Notice, once again, Mima was never seen again, unlike her fellow playables. And Marisa was quite simply a human, with no particular power -just lots, lots of training. No native ability or anything. So she wouldn't have survived...if not for Mima, that is. The spirit just sacrificed herself for the witch to live. Simple as that. Giving her a shield with her magic powers, she used up all of her strength and "died". Those who couldn't protect themselves actually didn't die. Remember the expression I used? Vanish away. They either went to somewhere else to protect themselves (i.e. Shinki) or got reincarnated via a magic "transfer" (you could guess Mai became Cirno, for example). It would also give an explanation for why Makai blew up in the last fight with Shinki. Sure, she was using her full demonic power, wrecking up her whole world, but don't you think she would have rebuilt it afterwards? She would, except if she knew it was useless. I see gainsayings coming already, like "They could re-appear at any time". Well, sorry, not all characters, and we all know this. Mima however is the main "No" of this theory for some people. They tell me that she could return at any time and all of it would be made invalid. However, I did say that she was a spirit; having no life at first, why couldn't she re-appear? It would just take a while and, well, it has taken a while already. So yeah, what do you think about that?
wing zero Makai in UFO stage 5 is extremely different from the MS Makai, you have to recognize. And did you see Shinki anywhere in it? Nope. Remember, I said she wrecked her whole world and didn't rebuild it because she knew it was pointless. And actually, UFO's Makai gives me MORE evidence to support it. Remember the MS Makai? There were residents in there (Luize, Mai, Yuki), there was a lake, and there was the giant Pandemonium where Shinki used to live. None of that, to my knowledge, is present anymore: Makai has become a dimension of ruins and chaos, where Byakuren was SEALED as a PUNISHMENT. So, yeah.
It says a lot about what the hell is in that book when Alice herself hasn't used it ONCE since she used it in Mystic Square. If she's so reluctant to unleash it, yet has it with her at all times(unless the book she carries ISN'T the grimoire, but I find that unlikely; she wouldn't let something so powerful leave her sight)... What could it possibly hold?
(Shoutout to @blara2401, thanks for theory) So, this comment said that something happened when Alice opened the book and also lost Following the theory about Shinki beign the adoptive mother of Alice, she may went to the Human World (or close enough) to give Alice the Grimoire, when Reimu & Marisa attacked Alice, she wanted revenge, she grabbed the Grimoire and got going in search of her enemies. Reimu & Marisa came back close to Makai, Alice was waiting for them, so then, she opened in front of them, after beign defeated twice, she got in so much anger, that she wanted to reboot the entire reality, at the point that this Magic was stronger than Yukari and Hecatia themselves, and then, she did what she wanted, she did the reboot in anger not knowing what will happen, in that precise moment, everything went to white, and a new Gensokyo was born, only a few survived the implosion Reimu: beign protected by the divine gods, or even Genji, that explain why he doesn't appear anymore Marisa: beign protected by her beloved teacher, Mima, after the event of Touhou 5, she doesn't appear anymore, coincidence? Yuuka: beign powerful enough to make a genocide for fun, makes that Implosion weak agaisnt Yuuka But, what exactly happened to the other girls?, where did they go?, well, i have a theory-explanation Yumeko: was reincarnated as Sakuya Kurumi: Reincarnated as Remilia Orange: Reincarnated as Meiling And the list goes on, but, then again, what happened to Mima, Shinki and yada yada who dissapeared, they where reborn as Magic, Shinki, passed her Magic to Alice to make her dolls alive, MIMA, passed her Magic to Marisa, to make gigantic beams with the help of the Mini Hakkero that Rinnosuke, a new character in the reboot, gave her, to help her defeat the enemies, the only ones who knows about Mima are Reimu, Marisa, Alice and Yuuka, but none of them talk about it, to avoid conflict or uncomfortable talk. After the reboot, Marisa, and Alice woke up at their respective houses, Alice wakes up confused, doesn't recognize her own clothes, and even the enviroment, she was in the border of crying, she doesn't remember what happened, then Marisa appeared, hugging her in relief, Alice immediatly separate her, Marisa asked why, Alice said that they where enemies, but Marisa says that she is her best friend, Alice was confused, she doesn't get Along with her at all, little did she knew, that her, was going to be a Support for a long time Reimu appeared at her Shrine, pretty confused but not that much, she asked herself why is the enviroment so different, she doesn't care, and begins in the search of them. Many years have passed, Remilia and company already arrived at their Mansion and stuff Alice after knowing what power lies in that Grimoire, she sealed it and never used it again, thats why in SWR/Hisoutensoku she is the only one with only 4 Cards cost for her last Spell, because she has fear about her own full power, so thats why she never uses a 5 Spell cost Spell Card.
You know, there was one time she was called *The Witch Of Death* and not some funny nickname like Seven Coloured Puppeteer. 😂 I am sad that more people knew Alice as Marisa's stalker (which is non canon) than Alice as former Makai resident.
People that gets exposed and or live in Makai becomes... Questionable. Alice is not an exception to that rule and just those eyes says that she has seen some serious shit.
I guess I can't be alone in liking the PC-98 music more than the Windows Touhou games? I've always thought 16-bit FM chip sounds suited Touhou far more than that goddamn MIDI trumpet...
But ZunPets.com make me cry~ Because of how awesome they are~ ( th-cam.com/video/EsDwgRJbaaI/w-d-xo.html ) * Great example on how zunpets can make a song really cool :D (And make me cry) * Watch and hear the difference in the end of the song. One is just the midi of the song in DDC, then it switches into "omfg its too sexy pls stop" mode.
Oh shit you hear that? That mystical silence? The deafening nothing? Isn't it just music to your ears? Whether you observe it, it is indeed a musical note. The words you cannot hear often speak the loudest. No one likes to hear that they'll be unable to carry over when the universe ends .... Especially by one of the few whom will.
If Alice was a League of Legends player, she would find a champion on which she exceeds everyone at, and would always win with it, but yet, she would stick to something else because she thinks it's cooler even if she is constantly losing.
at full power, Alice. Patche is the best magician in gensokyo, but she is not a fighter, since she focuses most of her time in investigations and grimmoires instead of battles (like marisa) thats why she is not as strong as alice or marisa when it comes to danmaku fights, even with a lot of spellcards on her side.
Kokoro wearing Sekibanki head Gengetsu lives in a world created by herself. She created it purposely without spellcard rules. So, Her final attack is just a little harder try. If she really wanted, she would just distort the world itself. But, Only Gengetsu is Capable of doing this. Until now, i knew only about 2 characters capable of creating new worlds. Shinki and The Puckish Angel.
it would be a nice plot if it was Alice's doing why almost no one remembers the events before EoSD for future games and if ZUN would connect the Windows and PC-98 Era
Apparently, she doesn't like relying on it, and wants to get stronger without using it as a crutch. I still think she'd break it out in a genuinely dire situation though.
One theory i came up with is that Gensokyo is like a dreamworld created by Alice and the grimoire is like a key to get out of it Or maybe its writing the world around itself wich is why it may never be opened.
My opinion on the original theme for Aracknar's upload: LOL, it’s that FM ‘electric guitar’ again! Sorry, it’s just so gritty, it’s kind of satisfying to listen to. Sad to know that after this soundtrack, we won’t be hearing it anymore. Good and emotional, foreboding theme, though xD My opinion on this well-made upgrade: (the same thing), but better :) it's good, i guess
probably well beyond phantasm.. they'd need a new difficulty level. Maybe Phantasm extreme difficulty, if someone was willing to write something harder than ultra mode.
Alice in this picture looks like she just read the Grimoire and is now all like "I've seen some shit".
No, she just was reading the book and she gets to the end of the book and feels a sense of accomplishment but then she looks up and realizes what her life is and knows that she is on line to the gallows after the the more troublesome youkai are eliminated with other enemies she knows she will be next in line like the leader of a dying country knowing eventually the enemy will get to him/her and kill him/her.
The Grimoire contained your internet browsing history
@@CourtOrderedThiccBitch begone
THOT
Yaoi shit
@@CourtOrderedThiccBitch no, boko no pico fanart.
I still await the day Alice opens up her grimoire once more.
When that happens, she'll likely once again take up the role of an Extra boss.
Either that, or she'll obliterate the Extra boss with it. Maybe the Stage 6 boss, too.
Or a dream stage (kinda like a phantasm stage
@@kalecavanaugh4067 I think ZUN said he wouldn't do Phantasm stages anymore. In Toby Fox's interview with ZUN, ZUN said that he did a Phantasm stage because while developing PCB, he felt like he constantly had to one-up himself, and he isn't really doing that anymore. Go check out the interview and you'll see what he said.
imagine, her final spell is just a wall of bullets with no gaps just to tell you to f off
@@wistralis7387 impossible to cap the card (literally unplayable)
I was wrong. PC-98 ost fans are not overly defensive. They're right.
Woah, what did I miss?
@@weirdlypicturedbeing2122 Nothing
Yes, the power of THE FM SYNTHESIS fills you with determination
@@marisakirisame867FM SYNTH my beloved!
@@johndavidhemby714 yes ( especially Yamaha 4-operator sine wave one )
Marisa "That's a fancy book you got there Alice, Do you mind if i... Borrow it?"
everyone and everything that does and/or used to exist in the entire universe,including Mima: OH GOD! OH FUCK!
Alice: NO
Alice: _"Daga Kotowaru!"_
But of course, it comes with a price...
Alice: You become my doll forever.
Hi i make a video about Alice full power, i recommand you to watch it ;)
Something interesting about the Touhou lore is that Alice's grimoire is considered a rare treasure of Gensokyo. Even the three faries living in the Forest of Magic had heard the legend about "a grimoire that shines brilliantly in seven colors". Just what is that book?
Who knows, maybe it's actually more powerful than Yukari or Shinki's spells. Maybe Alice is the most powerful being in Gensokyo. I mean, if she keeps it locked and sealed because of her not wanting to use her full power, then she must be more powerful than we think.
If she keeps it with her at all times yet never ONCE opens it, it's gotta be something pretty damn destructive.
One day, though...
Something will happen.
Gensokyo will end up in a truly dire situation, and she'll open the book once more.
Given enough time, even the smallest possibility becomes a certainty.
I can't wait for her to open the grimoire again. I wonder what awaits Gensokyo when she does so... Maybe another reboot ?
The ultimate magic
@@Mr._Sherwood Maybe that will be the last Touhou game.
Actually, that is a long running gag. Zun maybe kinda forgetful at times. Alice's eye colour changes nearly in every game, just like Sakuya's Bre (knived)
Well Alice IS the seven colored puppeteer....
ZUN FORGOT
@@melodyp1308 ZUN? Getting the case of Araki Forgot? I don't think so.
@@jaeyoonkim4663 Yeah, I'm just joking :D
now i wanna make a gif where alice's eyes just go rainbow
The final touhou game ever would be one in that Alice open the book
She opened the book in Touhou 5 and that was kinda the end of that universe.
@@fantasyviolin5966 sounds neat
@@fantasyviolin5966 it's not that good...
@@fantasyviolin5966 get a life undertale fan and stop advertising 😑
They deleted their comment lol
Mima: "How many times shoud I repeat this to you? You cannot defeat someone if you are staring into the book all the time. Learn the lesson, kiddo."
i think she took that advice to heart since she doesn't open the grimoire ever after that and keeps it locked up
Yeah, that background in the battle is what makes her harder, rather than her staring in a book.
Gotta love Mima.
I wish Mima was back....
Patchouli read her books while casting spells so... 😂😂😂
whit her grimore open, she probably can be one of the most powerful girls in touhou
Ye, if Spell Card Rules never existed
curse the gap hag for making these rules, why cant everyone just blast each other and the universe in old fashioned way like they used to
@@wilhelmu That sounds like a good fangame plot ngl
@@wilhelmu
Yukari may have something to do with it but Hakurei Reimu was the one who invented the spellcard regulation in danmaku duels ..
She single handily wiped an entire universes cannon on its head with a single book, and yet she is the weakest extra boss...
Damn Touhou girls are extremely OP
It's alright Alice. I mean, you're not forced to have a difficult childhood because you lived in a dimmension full of demons...
If fnas will team up with touhou...the demons will be double
Am I a psychopath for laughing at this
@@pico5433 I'm a psychopath for even making that one to begin with.
@@darkritetsuiho519 Nah
I still believe that Alice cast a universal recreation spell after the ending of Mystic Square, and she is the only one who remembers what the heck happend before TH06...
Well, since ZUN already stated that Alice is a special character in 2hu universe (and we don't know exactly what this means), anything is possible
but what about reimu and yuuka remembering each other and marisa sort of mentioning mima in eosd?
+Wobuffet3 didn't Reimu not remember Yuuka? And how did Marisa somewhat mention Mima in EoSD?
A Shooting Star in yuuka's story, reimu says "everything went back to normal when i defeated you back then!"
and marisa says "if she were here right now..."
who else could she be talking about?
After when Reimu was defeated, didn't she act like she was talking about something else? And I guess I can see how you think that, but when I played I thought she was talking about Reimu haha.
A Shooting Star i dunno, i don't remember completely, but what else could "back then" mean other than the incident in LLS?
HAHA I GOT THE LAST THEME IN OLD GENSOKYO
Peaceful romancer,bitch
what about credits ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+Blu_Wraith that's exactly what i've said...peaceful romancer is the extra ending theme
giuseppe pepe ah okay
What if pc 98 is just a story of Alice's grimoire that got real and that Alice is only substitute and the actual alice is Grimoire to observe the pc 98 character.
I mean she never let's it go also another thing would be that alice is only vessel for grimoire.
Yeah random stuff.
Honestly all this alice lore is making me want to start making a story around her
I can believe she has the most powerful magic since she's the only extra boss who's a magician
Uhmm.... Marisa is the extra boss in GFW.
@@User-gk1yi Marisa fights a Fairy, and "wins"
Alice fights 2 Powerful Youkai and 2 other Girls, and destroys the world, she is BY FAR the strongest Magician.
@@MedsieLovr "destroys the world" sounds more like a headcannon than anything
@@MedsieLovr フランドール・スカーレットは魔法使いです
Byakuren Hijiri is also a magician.
All the theories are interesting on Alice's potential. Though, I find it odd that some forgot one bit of info. Didn't her book get damaged at some point. Ripped pages damaged. If that is to be treated as canon, then we can say that Alice can't use the strongest of magic because parts of the strongest spells are on missing pages.
I didn't know that but I like it since it can be used to explain why she claims to have sealed the grimoire. If no one knows its damaged to the point of being near useless (or even just reduced in power) then sealing it makes her look responsible AND powerful. She is essentially bluffing.
NoGoodHandlesLeft
That is a possibility. There's two other possibilities as well.
1: The book may have been sealed to prevent further damage.
2: The book may have been sealed to prevent whatever damage may happen from unleashing fragments of a spell that has no means of stopping.
Have you heard the theory that PC-98 Alice is actually still in what remains of Makai, and Windows Alice is just one of her dolls? it's probably complete BS, but really cool nonetheless.
The Shade Sorcerer
It's a good theory, but I don't believe it. Alice is said to have tried creating a more self aware doll. However, it has been said by some that she has been unsuccessful. To create a doll that almost looks and acts human in her place would be more difficult than making a self aware doll.
Neko Vermillion Doesnt Touhou 12.3 (Hisoutensoku) go about a huge doll that was walking around Gensokyo? That should be the work of alice... right..?
Her Grimoire is locked by herself in touhou 8... can that meaning someting...?
she don't like to use all her power in a battle, i think that was the reason.
and, look, probably Alice was Young in MS, and madurate for PCB
+Erick Rivera
Too many lewd Marisa doodles inside. Can't let anyone see that. •́⩊•̀ _(...j/k sorry. lol)_
Alice is a doll body and she literally locked it inside herself
She doesn't like to use all her power in battle. According to the character bios in the manuals and such, if she were to open and lose again, it would be proof to her that she hasn't gotten any stronger at all and she'd have no reason to keep going.
Huh. So basically, she doesn't like the idea of relying on the Grimoire to cheese fights for her, and wants to get stronger by herself.
That's pretty deep actually.
When I first saw this picture, I said~
"Oh look, it's Marisa without her hat in a white dress"
(Took me a week to figure out this was Alice, and not a young Marisa.)
explains her expression
The zoom at 9:50 made me so scared xD! The picture looks creepy enough!
If there was ever a last Touhou game
I would guess that the incident would be: Alice's Grimoire was stolen by someone and is using it to destroy Gensokyo or destroying the barrier of the human world and Gensokyo or Alice Lost control or something? Making her use the Grimoir and her full power for destruction.
Either Alice will probably appear as an Extra stage boss or a stage 6 boss and the culprit is also in vice versa.
That would be a good plot so it means the Main characters are the most powerful heroines in Gensokyo like Yukari or Eiren or somebody else
Maybe she could be a playable character as well, like in a gensokyo sized treasure hunt with : Reimu and yukari, Marisa and Alice and the three fairies of light (they might work like mari patchi in touhou 11 since they were after Alice's book in a touhou comic)
I could totally see this in an IN sorta game, where each of the main protagonists is paired up with one of the stronger Youkai/People of Gensokyo; ex: Reimu/Yukari, Reisen/Eirin, Sanae/Kanako (or Suwako), Youmu/Yuyuko, Sakuya/Remillia (or flandre?) heck if were allowing ourselves beyond the Protagonists, give us like, i dunno; Komachi/Eiki, Satori/Koishi, Maybe something like Aya/Suika? i dunno! but a final touhou game like this would be really cool.
what if someone captured reimu, marisa, and yuuka, the last remnants of the old timeline, and threatened their life to pressure alice into using the grimoire, wanting to witness its power
Moral of the story:
Never open a mysterious, shady grimoire or else you may end an entire universe.
Holy shit. The comments here are WONDERFUL. I think I found some good reading material. Thank you, guys. ^w^
This is rife with late 90's - mid 2000's Rockman vibes.
Something about it just... feels like a Wily Castle theme, but I can't quite place my finger on it.
Alice could be the strongest character if she'd use the Grimoire book,but i guess she's just afraid.
Also like blara2401 stated the grimoire contains the most powerful magic there is, also in some legends its called "The Grand Grimoire"
So i agree to that, she got in it the human world.
According to "The Grimoire of Marisa" Reimu's Fantasy Heaven was too powerful to be a spellcard until Marisa gave it a time limit. (Even then, Fantasy Heaven is still overkill in Hisoutensoku) I'd guess that the Grimoire's best magic is also too powerful to be used as a spellcard.
CrypticNazo The Grimoire of Marisa was written by ZUN. ZUN just doesn't go and make canon random fan works. In fact, he has said that he doesn't want to be influenced by fan works.
Quils Pkqls Yeah, I think I was half asleep when I wrote that or something. SO screw me for making a mistake. :p
lol jk, no hard feelings here.
CrypticNazo Well, the fact that it's described as a fanbook can be misleading...
(Also I'm sorry if I sounded rude, that was not my intention)
Like I said, my mistake :p I realize English doesn't have any way to convey lightheartness or sarcasm in text like this, but I'm not even the slightest bit upset or offended. I've corrected it anyway.
Man 12 games after and this is still probably my favorite extra boss theme lol
she's here
*T-posing menacingly*
Shes doing kermit t-pose
Maybe shrek t-pose
The Rumia of the PC 98 era
*[Alice of the Magic Land]*
ALICE
In the games on the PC-98, Alice lived in Makai calling herself "The Magician of Makai" and had a black book that's called the "Grimoire of Alice". She also created her own "Wonderland" in Makai and fought with five colours: red, blue, purple, green and yellow. (from TouhouWiki)
ZUN's comment about the track:
"Compared to my other extra stage boss themes, this has heavy emphasis on the rhythm.
No matter how cheap their attacks are, emerge victorious with a superior groove (^^;;"
The best part is:She's the weakest extra boss of PC98 canon
Makes sense
there are only 3 bosses(Rika, Mugetsu/Gengetsu and Alice)
and Rika and Mugetsu/Gengetsu were hard as fuck
+Kogasa tatara i consider gengetsu and mugetsu two different boss,but yes they were really hard
+giuseppe pepe
Me too!
I just put them togheter because they were in the same fight :3
tfw gengetsu and mugetsu are piss easy, especially when one only has 2 phases
+Camp Not so easy...man i found Flandre easier
Well. That expression looks fantastically insane, wouldn't you agree?
Damn, i need know the retro history of the old gensokyo
You really do.
Makes sense,since you've never existed prior to the ending of Mystic Square.
Screw ya i know the back story of fnas
Alice Margatroid, the very last boss in the PC-98 games
(EDIT : After numerous people replied to this comment, I have chosen to preface it to give some context.
I wrote this comment when I was 13 years old. I was quite into Game Theory at the time and the PC-98 translation patches weren't out yet. At that time, it was commonly believed that these games were "darker" than their Windows counterparts, and so like the edgy teenager I was, I took advantage of that.
There are several comments of about the same level of cringe left all around TH-cam. Though I can't delete all of them, I usually remove any I come across. This one, though, attracted considerable attention and so, I chose to write this preface instead.
Oh, and as for the possibly wonky English - I was still learning the language at the time.)
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I have it all covered, guys.
The canon reboot. I have an explanation for it. Well it is a theory, but I do believe in it myself.
The cast of playable characters in Mystic Square went as follows: Reimu, Marisa, Mima, Yuuka. Oddly enough, three of these four survived the reboot.
The fourth one is, as we know, Alice. And here it goes.
Notice that Alice had no particular reason to be in Stage 3. She just was there, for no explicit motive or anything. And where was she going? To where you came from. The human world.
Consider this: if Alice IS, like fans have speculated, Shinki's adoptive daughter, why would she go away? Well, it has been said that Makai is actually highly poisonous to humans, am I right? And what was Alice at that time? A human, yes indeed. Her only chance would be...not to be human anymore.
Now it is actually unknown where the Grimoire was located before she took hold of it -it could be anywhere actually, but I have some reasons to think it was somewhere in the human world -hence she was going this way. But have you ever stopped to consider what kind of powers this thing bears? According to the user herself, "the most powerful magic you've ever seen", and in Gensokyo, you gotta say, that's quite a thing.
If it is so powerful, that could pretty much mean a simple thing: a human taking possession of it, better, TAMING IT, to use it when she wants to, would shift the whole power balance of Gensokyo. I do mean the WHOLE thing. And let me tell you, shifting that kind of balance is not a good idea. The consequences can be pretty extreme. You know, such as unleashing a powerful spell of magical destruction that would make everyone vanish away?
Oh wait, doesn't that sound familiar.
The four survivors help this theory even better:
_Reimu is a miko, she is protected by divine powers;
_Yuuka is insanely powerful, being capable of a genocide as a simple GAME. So she could pretty much shield herself.
_Alice was immune since the spell came from what she was holding.
_Marisa, however, is my strongest proof. Notice, once again, Mima was never seen again, unlike her fellow playables. And Marisa was quite simply a human, with no particular power -just lots, lots of training. No native ability or anything. So she wouldn't have survived...if not for Mima, that is.
The spirit just sacrificed herself for the witch to live. Simple as that. Giving her a shield with her magic powers, she used up all of her strength and "died".
Those who couldn't protect themselves actually didn't die. Remember the expression I used? Vanish away. They either went to somewhere else to protect themselves (i.e. Shinki) or got reincarnated via a magic "transfer" (you could guess Mai became Cirno, for example).
It would also give an explanation for why Makai blew up in the last fight with Shinki. Sure, she was using her full demonic power, wrecking up her whole world, but don't you think she would have rebuilt it afterwards? She would, except if she knew it was useless.
I see gainsayings coming already, like "They could re-appear at any time". Well, sorry, not all characters, and we all know this. Mima however is the main "No" of this theory for some people. They tell me that she could return at any time and all of it would be made invalid. However, I did say that she was a spirit; having no life at first, why couldn't she re-appear? It would just take a while and, well, it has taken a while already.
So yeah, what do you think about that?
That is a very logical and amazing theory. *-*
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Thanks a lot! ^^
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This theory is still funny and has some evidence too, though. But thanks.
that unlikely to be real considering UFO stage 5
wing zero
Makai in UFO stage 5 is extremely different from the MS Makai, you have to recognize. And did you see Shinki anywhere in it? Nope.
Remember, I said she wrecked her whole world and didn't rebuild it because she knew it was pointless. And actually, UFO's Makai gives me MORE evidence to support it. Remember the MS Makai? There were residents in there (Luize, Mai, Yuki), there was a lake, and there was the giant Pandemonium where Shinki used to live. None of that, to my knowledge, is present anymore: Makai has become a dimension of ruins and chaos, where Byakuren was SEALED as a PUNISHMENT. So, yeah.
It says a lot about what the hell is in that book when Alice herself hasn't used it ONCE since she used it in Mystic Square.
If she's so reluctant to unleash it, yet has it with her at all times(unless the book she carries ISN'T the grimoire, but I find that unlikely; she wouldn't let something so powerful leave her sight)...
What could it possibly hold?
(Shoutout to @blara2401, thanks for theory)
So, this comment said that something happened when Alice opened the book and also lost
Following the theory about Shinki beign the adoptive mother of Alice, she may went to the Human World (or close enough) to give Alice the Grimoire, when Reimu & Marisa attacked Alice, she wanted revenge, she grabbed the Grimoire and got going in search of her enemies.
Reimu & Marisa came back close to Makai, Alice was waiting for them, so then, she opened in front of them, after beign defeated twice, she got in so much anger, that she wanted to reboot the entire reality, at the point that this Magic was stronger than Yukari and Hecatia themselves, and then, she did what she wanted, she did the reboot in anger not knowing what will happen, in that precise moment, everything went to white, and a new Gensokyo was born, only a few survived the implosion
Reimu: beign protected by the divine gods, or even Genji, that explain why he doesn't appear anymore
Marisa: beign protected by her beloved teacher, Mima, after the event of Touhou 5, she doesn't appear anymore, coincidence?
Yuuka: beign powerful enough to make a genocide for fun, makes that Implosion weak agaisnt Yuuka
But, what exactly happened to the other girls?, where did they go?, well, i have a theory-explanation
Yumeko: was reincarnated as Sakuya
Kurumi: Reincarnated as Remilia
Orange: Reincarnated as Meiling
And the list goes on, but, then again, what happened to Mima, Shinki and yada yada who dissapeared, they where reborn as Magic, Shinki, passed her Magic to Alice to make her dolls alive, MIMA, passed her Magic to Marisa, to make gigantic beams with the help of the Mini Hakkero that Rinnosuke, a new character in the reboot, gave her, to help her defeat the enemies, the only ones who knows about Mima are Reimu, Marisa, Alice and Yuuka, but none of them talk about it, to avoid conflict or uncomfortable talk.
After the reboot, Marisa, and Alice woke up at their respective houses, Alice wakes up confused, doesn't recognize her own clothes, and even the enviroment, she was in the border of crying, she doesn't remember what happened, then Marisa appeared, hugging her in relief, Alice immediatly separate her, Marisa asked why, Alice said that they where enemies, but Marisa says that she is her best friend, Alice was confused, she doesn't get Along with her at all, little did she knew, that her, was going to be a Support for a long time
Reimu appeared at her Shrine, pretty confused but not that much, she asked herself why is the enviroment so different, she doesn't care, and begins in the search of them.
Many years have passed, Remilia and company already arrived at their Mansion and stuff
Alice after knowing what power lies in that Grimoire, she sealed it and never used it again, thats why in SWR/Hisoutensoku she is the only one with only 4 Cards cost for her last Spell, because she has fear about her own full power, so thats why she never uses a 5 Spell cost Spell Card.
Wow
The "Orange reincarnate as Meiling" just kills it for me.
This song sends chills down my spine.
I always found it weird how the fanbase basically thinks PC-98 Alice was basically Ultra Instinct Alice, as far as this comments section goes.
You know, there was one time she was called *The Witch Of Death* and not some funny nickname like Seven Coloured Puppeteer. 😂
I am sad that more people knew Alice as Marisa's stalker (which is non canon) than Alice as former Makai resident.
That's silly, we all know Reimu is the one with ultra instinct.
This little girl looks a bit...deranged.
Joker she knows the powers that she is just fucking around with
For me shes possessed by a t-pose
This.Theme.Is.Just.So.Epic.
Yea but alice is doing a t-pose
@@petergriffin1331 Both her and Rumia are stuck in a T-Pose.
I can't stop listening to this
This girl opened that book and the franchise got rebooted!
*notices the cover of the book is blank* Alice: you wiped my name off the grimoire! *blasts with spells*
That damn opening though-
Chills...
yep
That picture is epic. It goes so along with the beggining! Just amazing
Alice: This time i will show you the mightiest magic you have ever seen.
Me: Pfft, cant be that ha.. AAAHH!
Me:OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT
*OH SHIIIIIT!!!!!!*
im probably gonna listen to this while me and my friend commits war crimes
LMAAAAOOOOOOOOOO
Crazy how this is peak touhou-98
That zoom at 9:50 gets me every time.
Everyone wants a girl who looks at them like Alice in this photo
Not to mention her physical ailments. If it weren't for those, Patchouli would be overpowered ^3^
Ending the PC-98 Touhou with a bang of a music.
Oh shit, she saw what's in my "Homework" folder!
10tb Alice hentai
@@professionalfangster1510 NO
Theory : the grimoire is actually shinki's hentai. That's why alice's face looks like that
@Dung Tran Quang XD
Alice after watching the grimoire:how to restart the universe?
@Dung Tran Quang Wdym, I'd say they improved it tenfold
Alice : i've seen some shit
Yeah, while some people might say it's actually Marisa lewds, it wouldn't make sense for her to do this face then.
People that gets exposed and or live in Makai becomes... Questionable.
Alice is not an exception to that rule and just those eyes says that she has seen some serious shit.
That expression. "Stahp." is all i think of when i see that face. Thank you patchy from touhou amino.
song that makes u shout GO WHITE GIRL GO
The beats and the crashes make this song good and the melody is perfect. Now we need marisa on this
I guess I can't be alone in liking the PC-98 music more than the Windows Touhou games? I've always thought 16-bit FM chip sounds suited Touhou far more than that goddamn MIDI trumpet...
But ZunPets.com make me cry~ Because of how awesome they are~
( th-cam.com/video/EsDwgRJbaaI/w-d-xo.html ) * Great example on how zunpets can make a song really cool :D (And make me cry)
* Watch and hear the difference in the end of the song. One is just the midi of the song in DDC, then it switches into "omfg its too sexy pls stop" mode.
Jesus, how high was I when I wrote this xD
A rookie mistake. The one true way to enjoy touhou stuff is to be drunk out of your mind.
I don't like alcohol tho ;w;
The MIDI trumpet is awesome, but there simply is no substitution for 16-bit chiptune.
Oh shit you hear that? That mystical silence? The deafening nothing? Isn't it just music to your ears? Whether you observe it, it is indeed a musical note. The words you cannot hear often speak the loudest. No one likes to hear that they'll be unable to carry over when the universe ends .... Especially by one of the few whom will.
She looks like she just read a bad fanfic
She find out about the "Malice" disaster.
remember when Alice was an extra boss?
yea me to
It would be difficult to remember something that happened before I was born.
@@professionalfangster1510 i agree with you
Hi guys
If Alice was a League of Legends player, she would find a champion on which she exceeds everyone at, and would always win with it, but yet, she would stick to something else because she thinks it's cooler even if she is constantly losing.
Literally me, I choose my character in games based on who looks cool not who's actually good lol
Me playing Yasuo even though I'm hot garbage with him: Sounds about right.
If Alice is a seven-colored puppeteer, does this mean she's a reading rainbow?
*READING RAINBOW THEME*
Her face is like
"Wtf im reading"
the gay puppeteer
@@TEMMERS0N You are not wrong
This comment age really well (I'm referring to Chimata in Touhou 18)
Alice read that book and decided to fukc up the timeline
at full power, Alice. Patche is the best magician in gensokyo, but she is not a fighter, since she focuses most of her time in investigations and grimmoires instead of battles (like marisa) thats why she is not as strong as alice or marisa when it comes to danmaku fights, even with a lot of spellcards on her side.
great,this theme is AMAZING!!!!
my favorite from PC-98 is Cute Devil and Legendary Illusion though
Gengetsu, one of the top strongest PC-98 chacters, FTW !!!
maybe,her attacks is crazy and maybe the difficulty is actually Last Word
Kokoro wearing Sekibanki head Gengetsu lives in a world created by herself. She created it purposely without spellcard rules. So, Her final attack is just a little harder try. If she really wanted, she would just distort the world itself. But, Only Gengetsu is Capable of doing this. Until now, i knew only about 2 characters capable of creating new worlds. Shinki and The Puckish Angel.
mfw after finding out about Messytails and seeing the pictures on their twitter.
it would be a nice plot if it was Alice's doing why almost no one remembers the events before EoSD for future games and if ZUN would connect the Windows and PC-98 Era
that was such a great move to create additional kick and hi-hat on FM5
by the way, it sounds kinda EDM-ish because of this, imho
Marisa Stole the Precious Grimoire
She did 😁😁😁😁😁
Once the grimoire is recited one more time, the universe will finally reset.......again
Touhou except it’s high on Castlevania
Marisa squeezing Pache, obviously...
**Stares at you menacingly**
Good one, Alice
I'm a bit pissed that Alice never uses her Grimoire as ultimate move in the fighting games despite carrying it around.
well she has her reasons , she doesnt like to use the grimore dont matter what , that why she sealed her grimore away.
That might true but it would be still a nice callback regardless.
I think it's give a better aura to the grimoire, is not a powerfull artefact, is THE powerfull artefact
Apparently, she doesn't like relying on it, and wants to get stronger without using it as a crutch.
I still think she'd break it out in a genuinely dire situation though.
I want that image badly :D
Me too :D
strg + u then strg + f : thumbnailurl -> there you go with the pic
I want the image full
Step 1 : Click the fullscreen button.
Step 2 : Press "PrtScn".
Step 3 : Open Microsoft Paint.
Step 4 : Right click and click on "Paste"
Step 5 : Click on "Save".
Step 6 : Profit.
@@sebastiancastillo9491 Touhou 18 lore in a nutshell
Lighs and shadows on that picture look like she has some kind of display behind that book.
That face tho..... looks like she saw something that she cannot unsee
Do I know you? You look familiar, but I don't believe we've met.
Whatever the case may be, I really don't care. Good bye.
You meeted a t-pose girl
the most epic soundtrack evert
She's so happy an excited!...But she sounds so sad too...
Alice and her grimoire are one of the vaguest lores and mysteries of touhou that are yet to be solved. Help us crack it MatPat
if he pissed himself with hollow knight lore him having any hope with touhou is unrealistic
Alice, you got some crazy eyes on your face there... Seriously, you're creeping me out. XD
probably each spell would be survival, and the length of zappazoey's Boundary of Past and Present Last Word for Yukari, (about 6 minutes long)
She looks really creepy in this picture 0_0
I Love that ZUN states that Alice thinks its not fun to use the grimoire cuz of its power
Alice looks like a Yandere in this picture...🤨📸
Not really, she looks more like she read/saw some sort of unfathomable cosmic horror inside that book.
Imagine if her grimore was opened...💀💀💀
One theory i came up with is
that Gensokyo is like a dreamworld created by Alice and the grimoire is like a key to get out of it
Or maybe its writing the world around itself
wich is why it may never be opened.
MG This Theme is REAlly AWESOOOOME...Not Gonna Lie Best Theme in The Game So Far!!
My opinion on the original theme for Aracknar's upload:
LOL, it’s that FM ‘electric guitar’ again! Sorry, it’s just so gritty, it’s kind of satisfying to listen to. Sad to know that after this soundtrack, we won’t be hearing it anymore. Good and emotional, foreboding theme, though xD
My opinion on this well-made upgrade: (the same thing), but better :)
it's good, i guess
Alice: I've found your porn...
Oh shit oh fuck, she actually opened it
That book sounds scary
now we will be seeing theories of the linux era
/scopophobia
Scopophobia is the fear of staring, so this doesn't really qualify as such... but thanks for the concern.
Hind Al-Ghamdi
I think he/she jokingly meant Alice's eyes and the way she stares in the picture in the video.
stares
into
your
soul
Now that I think about it, this music sounds like it's from a sega genesis sound board.
probably well beyond phantasm.. they'd need a new difficulty level. Maybe Phantasm extreme difficulty, if someone was willing to write something harder than ultra mode.
Like dream stage
I love her :(
Alex Melik me too...
Best workout song
very nice
いすゞジェミニのＣＭに驚いているアリス！！
Speed at 0.75 it's so good