Quite a lot going on in this one! I really feel it needs to be watched to the end to make sense, lol. Also, note how some of the NPCs around town are clearly Gaster's followers from the first game (look it up)! Perhaps they "followed" Gaster from DR to UT, proving it's a prequel (as suggested by Kaela)! Apologies if I sound a little sicky towards the end, I'm not very well.
meh accly your evidence is indeed correct, but it doesn't fit with the premise of the video. Thesis : "deltarune is a sequel to undertale" then you start giving examples of how it works for both, it is in the future from undertale's perspective (given that gerson is dead, asriels age ect...etc..... etc), and you give sans as an example of how everything is in the past for him (another thing is that you finnaly bringed out the delta rune as dreemur's family crest). All of this is true (in some way) but if you later state that deltarune works as a sequel in some cases and a sequel in other cases. Then you would be prooving another thesis (wich was already given by toby). wich is.... Thesis : "deltarune is not a sequel nor a prequel" in fact this woldn't be a thesis this would be a FACT, making this video pointless...... www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/9w86fc/theorists/
not really true actually? in chapter 2 it’s very clearly shown Kris (or more accurately the player) WANTS to have their choices matter which is kind of made obvious with the weird route, so this theory and comment both aged horribly
"When the light is running low" PHOTON READINGS NEGATIVE "And the shadows start to grow" DARK, DARKER YET DARKER and SHADOWS CUTTING DEEPER "And the places that you know seem like fantasy" "Have you ever thought about a world where everything is exactly the same... Except you don't exist?"
An interesting thing I haven't heard mentioned too much, yet: Apparently, if you look into the sprite files of the human you create at the beginning of the game, apparently those sprite files are known as "goner head", "goner torso" and "goner legs". Are we creating a gaster follower? Why are we creating a goner? Was this "goner" really discarded? So many questions, so much hype.
@@locker439 There's dialogue in Deltarune's files that indicate (both in English and Japanese) that indicate that someone is attempting to communicate with us or someone (if you don't know, just look up "Deltarune unused dialogue in files") - especially considering the meta nature of Deltarune and Undertale, it's reasonable to take some aspects of the code and files as canon. *Even if we aren't including that,* it's clear that having the files of these body parts being named "goner", especially since in game they're used in a place where it seems like Gaster is talking to us based on the text (which Gaster is commonly associated with Goners) means that Toby likely intends for the body parts to be *goner body parts,* and that we're creating goners. Like it's pretty absurd to call files by the name "goner", especially since goners are a previously established set of entities that exist in Undertale, unless if Toby didn't have a good lore reason to.
Toby: Don't bother yourself with questions about if this is a prequel or a sequel or whatever Underlab: does it anyway with a clickbait Toby: Am I a joke to you?
Probably because people look too deep on stuffs...the river is shallow...but people kept on thinking that it's deep...that they end up on digging down making a part of the river deeper... (Edit: so deep that curious kids tried to swam down and eventually drown cause of curiosity)
Chara they're trying to say that it's a different universe but it effects the other one in a sense like a Multi-verse which if I remember correctly is a string of different events like how some things is DeltaRune are like Undertale's which made undertale's universe by a few choices which would explain why Gerson is dead in DT and is alive in UT since a different chain of events happened You are correct DT is Not a Prequel but the events that happened before the game takes place could have made a multi verse that Made the world of Undertale
Toby could have said that just to throw us off though. I mean we've only experienced the first chapter of this game, who knows where it's gonna go. There are many factors that point to this not being a prequel or sequel so far but that may change when the full game comes out.
I actually think you're right about that... Some characters seem to be from post UT, and other characters seem to be from before UT. EDIT: To be more specific... Sans seems like he's here from before UT (and maybe Kris...) whereas Gaster (and also maybe Kris) seem like they are here from post undertale. It's not entirely clear yet wether Kris eventually becomes Chara, or Chara has come to DR after the Genocide run. You can argue that Kris eventually becomes Chara (due to the design of their shirt and their actions being similar...) but you can also argue that Chara possessed Kris due to the beginning text (How it changes fonts when saying you have no choices) and how Kris is significantly older than Chara.
The theory that sans in deltarune is the same as in undertale He winks every time he says hes “new here” or when he says “Especially considering i’ve never met you before” And hes also the only character to look exactly the same in both games Also during his boss fight in undertale he said he’d “given up going home a long time ago” And “the surface doesn’t really appeal to me anymore” I think his “home” is the world of deltarune And theres also the hidden room with the photo of 3 people in it with the text “dont forget” I think the three people are Ralsei Kris and Susie Also “don’t forget” is the name of the song that plays after the ending Tell me if u agree
It is also worth noting that Sans possesses a crossword puzzle with Ice-E in Undertale (at certain fun values). Ice-E is a character that doesn't even exist in the world of Undertale, but is very present in Deltarune. So it's very likely that Sans travelled from Deltarune to Undertale and brought the puzzle with him.
That's ... interesting. Someone should double check that, but you might be onto something. Toby has made sure to reeeeeaaally push Ice-E into your face in Deltarune, why I can't remember him in Undertale at all outside of the puzzle.
When I saw this I was like "I respectfully and kindly, disagree" Edit: Four likes, okay here's my reason. Ya see, If it was a long time ago Undyne, Alyphs, And well I don't know MONSTER KID! would be younger (Or for monster kid and possibly azzy) Would be younger or non-existent, and you said it yourself Gerson is dead, however in Undertale he alive, care to explain why Toriel Hates/ Dislikes Asgore, before, he declares war. As for Chara, I am keeping that idea to myself for now (Thanks for the likes guys. Edit 2: Hum, I might share my opinion, maybe not. If it gets 30 likes *Not likely to happen* I may reconsider.
*PLEASE READ MY THEORY UTS MAKES SENCE! PLEASE.!!* Behind sans house there is still a broken machine. Well, that's a machine that went wrong. So already used. And on that machine stands * "Three happy people smiling" * Ralsei .. kris ... Susie ... And that old turtle of undertale said something about deltarune. And in deltarune sans has moved here! And he said that he already knew your mother since he was just in the town! And you see a lot of ghaster sounds in areas! At undertale they said that ghaster had used a time machine but that went wrong! MY THEORY MAKES SENSE OMGGG SANS /GHASTER/ALPHYS JUST WANTED TO BE FREE AND MADE A MACHINE BRATTY AND CATTY DONT EVEN LIKE EACH OTHER! ASRIEL IS STUDYING! AND MOST IMPORTANTLY! UNDYNE AND ALPHYS DONT EVEN MET
Essentially, Deltarune's present heavily parallels Undertale's past. So, we can know more about Undertale's past through the present of another timeline that has many elements of Undertale's past. Edit: This also opens up the possibility that the present of the Deltarune universe and its future can lead to some of its characters--namely Sans, Gaster, and Frisk--to hop onto Undertale's timeline and cause the events of Undertale. So, in a way, it is a prequel to Undertale, it's just that the prequel of Undertale would necessarily have to include another timeline given what we know about certain characters taking experiences from other timelines into the Undertale timeline, like Sans. We know that Sans has stated he gave up on going back to his own timeline, so we know that a part of Undertale's past includes San's past, which he has stated is in another timeline. This is what the theory is claiming.
Once again, Toby has confirmed that this is in fact a completely different universe, not a sequel or a prequel or anything. Different universe, unconnected story, some of the same characters.
@@ontos8534, omg, it's so human. Someone made something and said it's GREEN with BLACK stripes and it mean just colors, but others like "NO! ITS A LIE! ITS BLACK with RED squares! AND ITS IMPLY SUFFER AND DEEP PAIN"
Underlab explained that they do believe that Toby is telling the truth, that the Deltarune world is not the Undertale world. But they also believe that Deltarune sets up the story of Undertale in some way through interdimensional travel and evil spirits of genocide. Simply put, Undertale is born, because Deltarune happened first. Not a direct prequel, but still connected. Toby loves to leave hidden mysteries like that in his stories. Unfortunately, we won't know for sure until the full game is released. Who knows how long it will take for that to happen?! Only Toby himself, and he's not telling.
Soma Cruz the DemiHog and that would be possible, however Toby also mentions how he’s worried people will look too far into things and that they will think deltarune is something more than what it is. This leads me to believe that, unless more conclusive evidence comes out showing otherwise, the two games aren’t connected except by the characters. Like Simon Petrikov 39 said, in my mind it seems more similar to an official au than it is an indirect prequel.
I think those in the comments are reading into the title a little too literally. Yeah, there is direct evidence in the game leaning towards it not being a prequel, but that is not what Underlab was trying to get at in this video. The evidence Underlab gave about the games was how Sans, Chara, and Gaster are all possibly traveling across each of the universes. With UL stating that Sans is a "time traveler," assuming that we combine that with the ability to dimension travel, this would mean that all three of them would be able to jump to each dimension at different points in time. This would be supported with Sans being able to travel to what is presumably the end of the Deltarune AU for him to have a picture of the three lightners in the Undertale AU (if that's what it's a picture of). Further evidence is at the end of the first chapter of Deltarune, if we assume Chara is possessing Kris, it seems that Chara would have had to travel pretty far into the future in order to succeed in doing that. The two universes could be line in line, but that doesn't mean that Gaster/Chara/Sans ultimately end up traveling to the exact point in time where the two universes line up; nothing in either of the games hint at it this otherwise. What this would mean is that Deltarune is ultimately not a prequel, though it's not a sequel either; it's both. But we have to remember that Deltarune and Undertale are alternate universes of each other, and that comes above all. Details like Gerson being deceased and Undyne and Alphys not knowing each other are completely separate to the universes in the games, and don't matter in determining whether or not Deltarune came before or after Undertale.
I don't think Chara posesses Frisk. Have you noticed on the first save you *override* another save file from Kris to whatever you name "the creator" of the vessel.
Underlab, Deltarune being a prequel is true, but its also a sequel, in an alternaternative universe. It is clearly said in UT that sans missed going back to a place and UT sans knows about the sun. Im sure that for sans, this is a prequel. However, for us the player, or chara, is a sequel, after the genocide route. Chara is always with the player, it makes sense that for chara, its a sequel, or the future. The next world that they mentioned in genocide route. And im sure that deltarune is a sequel to genocide. In deltarune, the window states its a beautiful day. The birds can be actually heard in deltarune, and the flowers are blooming in there too. Sans' spiel indicates that pheraps, some sort of event made him hate them, or maybe its his try to make chara realize that they are killing the monsters in underground, assuming that Chara remembered deltarune, like sans. Then in the ending of DR, chara takes our soul out, loosing control of the game. In genocide choices dont matter. Also, the gaster experiments are referenced when kris and susie open the closet with the chalk. Dark, yet darker, the darkness keeps growing. Photon readings negative.. etc. What you do you two think?. Basically in DR, it seems that all kind of light is absorved, as if photons became a negative value, and the shadows in that scene are cutting deeper. DR is a prequel, a sequel, set up in an AU. Besides, in DR the monsters also believe in the deltarune simbol. If DR monsters believe in the same things said in UT, the origin of the deltarune symbol still remains a mistery. Time travel is involved, and DR could be a very ancient timeline made by another determined being such as frisk or flowey.
There might be some connection between the two but I doubt that kris would just decide to betray all his friends and beat up his dad for no reason, and also the monsters that would become the amalgamates have already turned to dust by the events of deltarune when in undertale they were amalgamated while they were in the fallen down state
Yah, after all, Undyne never lost her eye in Deltarune BUT the amalgamate characters DID pass away. I think it makes it pretty clear that it's neither directly a prequel nor sequel.
@@mariuszjankowski9974 Deltarune isn't a prequel at all. It's funny when people still try to continue calling it a prequel after toby himself confirmed on his twitter that it's nor a prequel or sequel
The games are connected, by you and your choices. If you already have an Undertale save file on your PC, and download Deltarune, it will have certain effects on the game. Toby is a master of hidden messages and half-truths. Look underneath the underneath, if you wish to know the full truth.
@@SomaCruztheDemigodofBalance You are so wrong, the game do not detect your undertale save file, and they aren't connected either, and "your choices not matter".
6:50 toby said "don't forget" in a message about chapter 2 in an interview... And deltarune's ending song is "don't forget". There was 3 people on the pic (probably gaster, sans and someone else, could be chara itself). Why do I think it's chara? Because she was shown at the end and after her scene the song goes on, that could mean she is a part of a "don't forget" team
The riverman. Said "beware of the man who came from the other world" in my game, I've never heard that one before, it might be a secret patch, plz like so that he'll see it
Toby fox literally said its not a prequel or a sequel its also a “”demo”” and Toby was just testing it and he will re;ease all the other chapters at the same time, so its in a different universe.... maybe u should keep up with the news
Actually, there is a subtle reference to the Underground. When you fall down in school, the area you land in is like the Underground and the outside ground of the school is like Mt.Ebbott's. Toby most likely did that intentionally to give you the Undertale vibes.
For the people that says it can’t be a prequel because “legitimate reason”+ “Toby fox said it was not a prequel or sequel to undertale”, I think underlab is saying that it is both in another universe as well as being prequel chronological, not in the past in the same timeline as he states “sans has the ability to switch worlds.”, so that things like Gerson being dead or asriel being older can exist in the universe. Also, the date for chara falling was 201X while deltarune occurs in 202X so, if asriel was born in the same time as he was in undertale, his age checks out for him going to college.
I have a statement that can debunk this theory. Look at sans’s bar. The letters “Grillby’s” have been taken away. This means that sans moved grillby’s bar to the surface and took it as his own. (7:51)
wrong. the war between humans and monsters never happened in deltarune, so the underground couldn't have been inhabited. this means it was impossible for sans to move grillby's bar to the surface.
I believe it's a different universe, but war never happened. It's actually a prequel to undertale in other universe, because in undertale 201x Chara felt down to the underground, not Frisk. He did it way later. We know that Delta rune is 202x because of the found planned manual, where u could find the date (202x). Although, we don't really know it, because it seems Ralsei waited really long for Kris and Susie, and she wrote that manual in 202x. But hey, that's just a theory :D
to be fair, Toriel had a cell phone back in Undertale, but it was "ancient" as alphys put it. And in consideration that cars and computers before cell phones, that argument is invalid. Oh yeah, one more thing, this is a completely different world than the one we live in, we can't truly compare it to our timeline. Hence the monsters.
@@patrickcox7579 How did they compare the world we live in. They have all of those things in undertale. They have computers as seen by Napstablook and Papyrus, they have cell phones proven by Alphys. And they have cars proved by Sans and Papyrus.
@@alienxotic5028 I mean in a timeline sense. In the Undertale universe, they may have had those things looong before humans did. I'm aware that they had all that stuff in undertale, but we have no real record of any form of history other than the monsters having been trapped underground for a long enough time for many of them to not have too much hope.
When I was playing deltarune with no spoilers I really thought Ralsei was Flowey, and there fore Asriel, everyone thought I was crazy, cut to the end and I'm screaming with laughter when Ralsei removed his hat
I hate how no one points out what clamgirl said She said that "In lifes grand scheme, she(suzy) may have been why you came here in the first place" Its possible the whole reason frisk fell down was because of suzy, i mean, we dont even know why they fell down, even when asriel in the pacifist ending asked them like 3 times And if you dont think suzy is the same as the susie from deltarune, check susie's concept arts, ive heard that her original name in them was "suzy", just like clamgirl mentions her (edit: turns out this was false, my bad, i still personally think shes talking about deltarune susie though) Then in the switch version in the pacifist ending, she says "dont despair, my dear, as the time for you to meet her..." Then she suddenly turns grayscale like the gaster followers and says "...is fast approaching." And then she disappears with the gaster follower disappearing sound Almost literally no one points how important her dialogue is, not even matpat for gods sake
Sans winks while saying he's never met us, hinting that he actually knows more. Maybe he doesn't know that we know, and thus doesn't want to reveal it.
Ok, so here is what I think, I think that DeltaRune is unrelated, until it gets connected (sorta kinda like a Kingdom hearts type narrative where there are different universes that exist, but they have nothing to do with each other, until they do). we can't really rule out a multiverse theory, after all, in Undertale, you dictate 3 different timelines in which 3 different things can happen (well, technically more if you want to get more technical). To me, Deltarune is it's own pre-existing entity, with recognizable characters living an alternate life from what has been established by Undertale, it is not a prequel, and here is the main reason why... Undertale was the story between humans and monsters, and the humans banishing the monsters to the underground, but... have you noticed something that's missing? where are all the humans? as far as the eye can see, Kris is the only human. This, among other things, is the reason why Deltarune can't possibly be a prequel to Undertale. if you want to throw something related into the mix, remember that Gaster was scattered across time and space, it is possible that what we're seeing here, is perhaps visions of alternate universes he may have found, and seeing how they play out. Why? I cannot say, perhaps a more favorable outcome to a future predicament, sort of like Rick and Morty. It's all speculation
We've all established that Deltarune is an alternate universe that seemingly takes place 10 years later than Undertale, but in terms of story it does make sense that this could still be a prequel due to time travel. This is a really great theory and it can definitely be expanded upon. What if the "unfixable" time machine in Sans' room is what was used for the characters to get into Undertale and was used as an attempt to time travel back 10 years into the past, but just brought them into a completely different timeline/universe entirely. I've also noticed the aura under Sans' bedroom door being exactly the same as the aura of the doors you use to fast travel in Deltarune, this may play a role in all of this too. But man, this is a great theory you got going on in this video!
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.
it Says It Was When Chara Fell In The Underground So...Maybe A Couple Years Later Frisk Came Or Before Sans Died And Bleed Out He Use That Broken Thingie To....nvm i forgot lol
*i knew it!* When I was playing this with knowing that this is a complete new story, I was thinking *"this feels 100% Charas story"* Maybe toby was tricking us
welp.... another day another theory that is wrong from the beigining edit: you were close in the second part of the video but, the first part has yet to fin evidence tof a connection btween the two parts of the video.
Before watching video: No, it's a sequel. You can tell by the fact that they're on the surface, there's technology present (the monster/human war looked like it took place around the medieval era), and Monster Kid is older. The discrepancies, such as Undyne having both eyes, Asriel being alive, and Alphys apparently not knowing Undyne, suggests that this is a sequel that takes place in an alternate universe/timeline, which is right up Undertale's alley. After watching video: I can understand the view on your points, but you're not taking the full scope of Undertale's quantum physics into consideration. The absence of Frisk can be explained quite simply: sacrifice. This timeline's version of Frisk likely ended up dead by their own choice in order to advance some kind of goal, whether that be allowing the monsters to go free or to give Asriel another chance at a life with his parents and with a soul to keep him whole (kind of like Dreemurr Reborn, but probably without Frisk's consciousness interacting with Asriel). So how does Kris come into the picture? Also simple: Toriel adopted Kris at a very young age - either toddler or infant going by the brief nostalgia trip she had if asked ("You asked us when your horns were going to grow in, so we got you a headband with little red horns on it. You wore it for months! I wonder what happened to it?"). If adopted as a child, with their identity as a human cemented, Kris would not have thought that they were of the same species as Toriel and Asriel, meaning that they had to have been a part of the family when they were very young. Toriel likely even named them Kris in honor of Frisk, given that the latter is a slight anagram of the former with the "f" removed. The whole thing with the photo of the three characters on the "never forget" photo can also be explained in a way that doesn't point to "prequel": Sans. I don't know if you realize this, but Sans...is an anomaly. He's always jumping between different points in space and seems aware of all alternate timelines and universes and is regarded as just showing up out of nowhere with Papyrus one day in Undertale. Who's to say that San's own timeline isn't somehow different from ours. Have you ever seen Doctor Who? Picture Sans as the Doctor, only able to travel and teleport without the use of a TARDIS. He could've visited Delta Rune before Undertale but, in chronological timeline-wise, Deltarune is still capable of happening after Undertale because Sans is capable of traversing the timelines and, likely, to some extent, time itself.
Great theory, but one dioluge strip conpletly destroys yours theory. In the libarabry alphys wrote a review of mew mew kissy 2, and about his much she loves it. In udnertale she hates mew mew kissy 2, and says it ruins the first one.
This is because it's not the same Alphys. Just because it takes place earlier doesn't mean it takes place in the same universe. In his theory he's saying the only characters that are connecting the games are Gaster, Chara, and possibly Sans. All the other ones are completely different characters.
Right now, I'm sorta wondering if this might have something to do with how Chara was created in the first place, maybe as something of a split-personality of Kris. For those who don't know, a REAL split personality comes about from someone who has suffered abuse in their life to a level that they just can't take and want to escape from, and so they make up another "self" that can take their abuse for them. And, when you consider the ending of Deltarune, as well as several other pieces of evidence, it's pretty clear that Kris is living anything but a happy life. This is a post I have made on a few other deltarune videos, I am just going to copy-paste it because it is a 19 point list detailing all the evidence that shows how unhappy Kris' life really is, because there really is a lot that you have to be looking at the game with blatant nostalgia goggles for Undertale, be skipping all the side content, or have very poor empathy skills in order to miss. (copy-paste starts now.) 1. Consider Kris and Azriel's room. Kris' side of the room is completely bare except for the cage in the wagon. (a cage on wheels. Choice doesn't matter reference?) Meanwhile, Azriel's side of the room is filled with all kinds of trophies, decorations, and under the bed is game systems and CDs. Azriel is given everything and Kris is given nothing. 2. When you explore the house, you discover a trashcan with a "floral scent." This doesn't mean much at the time, but it winds up meaning a lot later. 3. You have the opportunity to find a collection of "childhood treasures" which is called "ball of junk" in your inventory. It is a collection of things that are of sentimental value to your connection between Kris and Azriel. 4. If you try to throw away the ball of junk, Kris gets very emotionally torn up about it. 5. While you are driving to school, Toriel says something about Azriel coming to visit next week. 6. With some more talking around, you discover that Azriel is away at college. This is all you can discover before the adventure in the dark world, and this is not anywhere close to enough to start putting the picture together. However, AFTER you get out of the dark world you get to explore the town and you start to discover a lot more things that make it all start to come together, and hints about it are littered throughout the entire town. 7. When you talk to Toriel on the phone, it is subtly implied that most of your life up until now has consisted of her taking you to school and then her taking you straight home. It is implied that you actually don't get out much, and she is really surprised when you say that you were with a friend (Suzi.) Finding out you were with a friend, she lets you, presumably for the first time in a long time, wander about on your own. 8. Talk to the priest, you hear about how you and your entire family used to come to church every Sunday, but one day that just stopped. 9. You talk to the lady at the diner, you find out that every Sunday your whole family used to come to the diner. When that stopped, she describes that just you and Azriel would still continue coming with just the two of you and you would sit in the booth and draw shapes on the window in the fog of your breath and generally just hang around. 10. After the lady at the diner describes the stuff in #9, she gives you a free chocolate milk. If you drink the chocolate milk, the text says that "your throat tightens." In other words, difficult emotions being brought up for you by the act of drinking the chocolate milk. Ok, so stuff is starting to come together now, but this next set of things really take it up a notch. 11. You go to the flower shop which is owned by Asgor, your dad. He becomes very happy and enthusiastically hugs you. He then backs off and is scared about whether or not you liked being hugged like that. In fact, he starts completely bending over backward to try to make you happy. (Very typical behavior of the non-custodial parent in a divorce situation.) 12. You examine the air mattress, Asgor's bed. He offers that if you want to spend the night with him he will let you use the bed and he will sleep on some of the bags of soil downstairs. 13. You examine the fridge, you discover the only thing in there is a single pickle. You leave it. This doesn't seem too significant in and of itself, except maybe to show that Asgor is really poor, but then you consider that you have had items like that dangled in front of you before, but every time in the past you have had an item like that you had a choice whether to take it or not. In this case, you were denied that choice. Kris absolutely would not take Asgore's last pickle. 14. You go other places in the town, you find out that, in fact, Toriel talks about how Kris is typically an absolute pig that eats all her sweets and snacks before she can even get any at all. This depicts a huge difference in how Kris treats Asgor and how Kris treats Toriel. 15. When you leave, Asgor gives you a bouquet of flowers to give to Toriel. (recall the floral scent from the trashcan.) 16. You find Alphes in the alley way. Turns out, this is her home, she is homeless. However, there are several thrashcans she is using as planters, and they are filled with flowers. Turns out, they are all from Asgor, and whenever he brings Alphes flowers he is also asking about how you are doing in school. Every single time he talks to her the first question on his mind is how you are doing in school. 17. You get home with Toriel and give her the flowers. Her reaction is mostly putting on a happy face, but it is rather clear she is not pleased. 18. I could have said this earlier, but as you go around town, there were also a lot of people describing these cruel pranks you always tent to pull on other kids your age in order to scare them. 19. As you interact with your home environment, you are treated to a number of comments from Toriel that reinforce the selfish and low-level destructive nature of Kris' typical behavior. Basically, behaviors that do nothing to cause serious permanent damage, but all of them creating little inconveniences, and the large bulk of such behaviors are directed straight at Toriel. When you put all the pieces together, it paints a story of a child with a broken household. Toriel has custody of the children, as is the typical case in a divorce. Asgor is dirt poor, probably from Alimony and Child support payments. Toriel greatly favors Azriel over Kris, as shown by how completely bare Kris' side of the room is compared to Azriel's. Kris begins acting out in ways both at home and in town that are highly typical of a child who is being neglected and abused. The one and only person in town that Kris is more kind in his/her interactions with is Asgor, shown by you never even getting a choice to take that last pickle. There is also the fact that you readily take that bouquet of flowers back to Toriel, indicating probably Kris really does want his/her parents to get back together. Normally, when a broken home situation is depicted in a game or movie or TV series, it is just flat out said as a fact or you are given one or two references to what this means to the character. In the case of Deltarune, it is never rubbed in your face and you actually have to explore around in order to find the lore about this, and it is given to you in subtle hints about how Kris' daily life looks and how Kris is emotionally affected by this. This causes the whole child of divorce and maternal neglect picture to make a far deeper emotional impact than it would otherwise. Really, the more you explore the town and talk to people and have the picture come together, the more miserable you feel as you sympathize with Kris. Despite the light all around, it just seems to look darker and darker and feel colder and the same music that seems happy like a somber end to the game when you leave the school building gradually starts to seem more and more sad as though it's a lament for the situation Kris faces in his/her daily life.
What would happen to a child like that, whose Soul was bathed in Dark Energy, like at the end of Kris's journey? That would make matters even worse, I believe. The intense negative Energy would amplify all of Kris's darkest traits, until they became uncontrollable. Hence the Soul being ripped out, and caged. However, there were blood stains on the floor around the cage, so perhaps that has also happened before, as well... It's hard to say, we don't have enough Data. Gaster, give me a hand or two, would you? 💀
*PLEASE READ MY THEORY UTS MAKES SENCE! PLEASE.!!* Behind sans house there is still a broken machine. Well, that's a machine that went wrong. So already used. And on that machine stands * "Three happy people smiling" * Ralsei .. kris ... Susie ... And that old turtle of undertale said something about deltarune. And in deltarune sans has moved here! And he said that he already knew your mother since he was just in the town! And you see a lot of ghaster sounds in areas! At undertale they said that ghaster had used a time machine but that went wrong! MY THEORY MAKES SENSE OMGGG SANS /GHASTER/ALPHYS JUST WANTED TO BE FREE AND MADE A MACHINE BRATTY AND CATTY DONT EVEN LIKE EACH OTHER! ASRIEL IS STUDYING! AND MOST IMPORTANTLY! UNDYNE AND ALPHYS DONT EVEN MET
Heres my theory: so, the deltarune timeline is set in an alternate universe (multiverse) and it is _behind_ in time from the undertale timeline. The human in the undertale introduction looks alot like kris so maybe the delta timeline hasnt had the war yet. Maybe after kris goes evil (or possesed) he turns against monsterkind triggering a war and vice versa.
*PLEASE READ MY THEORY UTS MAKES SENCE! PLEASE.!!* Behind sans house there is still a broken machine. Well, that's a machine that went wrong. So already used. And on that machine stands * "Three happy people smiling" * Ralsei .. kris ... Susie ... And that old turtle of undertale said something about deltarune. And in deltarune sans has moved here! And he said that he already knew your mother since he was just in the town! And you see a lot of ghaster sounds in areas! At undertale they said that ghaster had used a time machine but that went wrong! MY THEORY MAKES SENSE OMGGG SANS /GHASTER/ALPHYS JUST WANTED TO BE FREE AND MADE A MACHINE BRATTY AND CATTY DONT EVEN LIKE EACH OTHER! ASRIEL IS STUDYING! AND MOST IMPORTANTLY! UNDYNE AND ALPHYS DONT EVEN MET
@@lemonaexe Gerson said the Deltarune was the name of the symbol in Undertale. He only said he became friends with her, not that they already knew each other from the past (only acquaintances). Also, why would Sans have a pic of Ralsei, Kris and Susie, when Ralsei isn't even from the light world and Deltarune is about dealing with the issues in the Dark World? And most importantly Toby Fox himself said this was an Alternate Universe not related to Undertale.
@WhirlWind That. Does. Not. Make. Sense. At. All. The events in one universe shouldn't have an effect on the events of another, unless they happened at the same time. There's a difference between the anomaly Sans talked about in Undertale, and the "Butterfly Effect".
I have a short theory about the soul traits in deltarune Kris(cyan):They are patient and not easily frustrated.It proves they were calm when they were in prison Ralsei(green):He is kind and caring for his allies and even helps the king when he was hurt Susie(purple):Usually no one would think this but susie is actually smart. She and lancer made the creation that was soon blown up.Before the fight with lancer and susie,susie plans to use kris at the end to get back home from the dark world This is just my theory :P
Personally I do think it’s somewhat connected to UT; though in a different world. As Chara once said; “Let us delete this pointless world and move on to the next”.
This may be wrong, but you now how when you return to the real world in Deltarune it looks like everything was made up by Kris and Susie, well it is sorta the same with Sans's door. When you go through it You are given the idea that you were just walking on a treadmill and that Sans was pranking you. This would make sense because Sans is a prankster, but what if he was trying to protect Frisk from wandering to another dimension and gave Frisk the idea that he was just walking on a treadmill through his dark room.
The way Toby worded his tweet only states that the two games won't have an impact on the other's story, which I believe he intentionally did as to leave no holes in the possibility of a connection between the stories. Just a little thought, thank you for your time and effort in the community.
0:00 Intro graphics 0:23 Welcome back and Thanks to ... 0:36 What is a Prequel? 0:52 DeltaRune is set in an alternate world 1:20 We Assumed sequel. 1:43 Warped world (not a single reference to the Underground) 2:00 Darkners and Lightners 2:28 Where It Shows itself as a prequel 3:27 Ancient Prophecy 4:13 Chara rips out soul 4:25 Time Travel 4:32 Gaster. His experiment. What is his role? 5:02 Theory of Control and Freedom 5:44 Gaster is somewhere in DeltaRune 6:00 Warning other worlds of Chara? 6:26 Sans. Has some connection. (Gaster blaster). Picture. Don't forget. 7:17 Sheriff Badge. Police Department. 7:44 Sans. Seems credible. 8:25 Nothing you do affect the characters of Undertale. 9:05 No reason to believe it takes place in the future. 9:27 Ripping out the Soul
Fun fact: The Gaster sound that plays near the shelter at the bottom of town isn't just slowed down by 500%. More specifically, it's slowed down by _666%._ This lines up with some of the other references to the devil's number (most of which can only be found via datamining), such as: Deltarune's version number for its Gamemaker data being 6.6.6, the "typer" used for the text for the voice at the beginning of Deltarune is named "666" (The character creator is also called the "Goner Maker"), and to link it with Undertale, the Gaster grey door encounter uses the Fun value of 66, with a 1/10 chance for the door to appear on top of that, and also in Undertale, there's an unused monster ID of #666 named "Gaster" with a bunch of 6's as all of its stats. This can also be tied with the secret text variables found in Undertale datamining named "demon", which appear to contain one half of a conversation from some sort of servant to their master/controller. Dr. Gaster... might not be the good person some might think he is.
Here's a theory! Sans is a darkner (or darkners i dunno) so let's see the proof 1.He never die on screen he goes away Like other darkner he goes out of screen and don't really turn to dust on screen unlike other moster 2.Sans bleeds So when you were around choosing a name for your team lancer says that the bucket is for cleaning of the blood. You might think that its because Kris is there so its for Kris but it also might be that Darkner also do bleed 3.You have to tire Sans to win the battle Heres a good one. You need to tire Sans to "win the battle" just like other darkner. Unlike other monster you need to act or kill them. But you kill sans right?!! si that doesn't count. That bring us to the next point 4.Sans can dodge Unlike other monster they don't dodge attack but Sans can dodge attack and what else can dodge attack Darkner. And that's why i think that Sans might be a Darkner This theory isn't originally mine it was from a youtuber SuperHorrorBro but i write all of this to spread the theory! Thank you for reading aaand Have a nice day.
Note:The things work as a game like Undertale suggesting this is Undertale 3 Theory of what happened after Deltarune when the game ended:Deltarune take place in an alternate universe where monsters won the war and Kris is the last human in the world so Toriel and Asgore care for Kris making sure humans don’t go extinct fast forward to the Undertale in this universe Kris has used 7 humans souls of the new humans who exist to seal the monsters in the underground fast forward more and Frisk now falls into the underground and Flowey isn’t there Frisk now finds Toriels house where Toriel is in the kitchen baking pie Asgore is watering plants and Asriel,Chara and 6 other kids are drawing the family welcomes you in and offers you pie (this happens because when Kris used the souls they were fused into him/her just as Asriel did with the souls in the end of true pacifist therefore the monsters were never aware of the humans souls therefore they never knew a way to get out of the underground so they wouldn’t kill children for no reason and Chara wouldn’t have gotten herself killed for Asriel to break the barrier and the six kids are the other kids who fell into the underground) You then leave the household taking a slice of pie as well then you encounter papyrus and sans. Papyrus has made friend with the six other humans who fell and they help him impress undyne so then he becomes a royal guard and sans has opened up a restaurant where he sells his brothers spaghetti and his hot dogs and there is also a school Toriel built with the help of Asgore who is the king of monsters (The skeleton bro’s things happen because in Deltarune they had a shop assuming the shop was successful they used the money from the previous shop to get a restaurant) you then meet Undyne who guards the castle as usual she also deals with minor crimes as well(This happened because in Deltarune she was an officer so she would most likely take on duty’s such as protecting the castle and catching criminals) then you meet Alphys who works as a scientist and a teacher when Toriel can’t work(This happens because she was a teacher in Deltarune and she was seemingly a science teacher so working as a scientist and sometimes has a teacher would be perfect) Mettaton is now just a tv star how has the six humans appear as special guests Mettaton no longer ever had the capability of killing humans as Alphys would have never installed that function because it would have no use for it. You then return to Toriels house and for some reason Asgore is no longer there. Toriel says Alphys discovered the way to break the barrier was to use the six humans souls Asgore desperate to leave the underground and take revenge makes an attempt to kill the human children but they use their souls powers to stop him Asgore informs every monster about this and orders Alphys to add the function of killing humans to Mettaton and Undyne now hunts you down to kill you Papyrus is too now being a royal guard sans decides to sit back and watch this is when the fights happen. The six human children Chara and Asriel all help you when you reach the end the six humans and you use your souls to break the barrier then you must have the final battle with Kris after winning the battle Kris dies Note:At the beginning before Asgore tells the monsters if you kill Toriel Asgore will attack and Asriel will die in the crossfire if you kill Papyrus sans will be waiting in the judgement hall if you kill Undyne nothing changes but you need to it you want genocide Mettaton will be the same sans will be the same then after you kill Asgore the six human children defend the barrier with Chara after you kill the 7 children you use their souls to break the barrier then you meet Kris who offers to team up with him and kill and monsters even if you say no Kris will still make you after then you can explore and kill monsters who are still alive then you kill Susie Kris dosent like what you’re doing anymore and Kris regretting his decisions he/she resets
Deltarune can't be a prequel because sans is in the game. But in undertale, sans and papyrus just " showed up one day" not to mention sans already "befriended" Toriel.
Okay you might have changed my mind about it being a prequel. But you have to remember that in fact in undertale it was taken place in the past aka(dark ages) or something like that and in this game they don't need a hospital to help asriel and to point it out they have one also it shows cars and modern stuff so I believe that this might actually be a sequel and not a sequel but it's just a theroy . A GAME THEROY
But you know that deltarune isn't undertale 2, but another game? Maybe there are undertale characters, but Toby wanted to create different universe. I know there is deltarune legend in undertale, but it's just a easter egg.
The statement around 8:40 is correct, and is just about the only thing that hit the nail on the head in this video imo. Deltarune is set in an alternate universe, several years ahead of Undertale (hence all of the characters being older), in a timeline where the war between Humans and Monsters never occurred. That would mean that Undyne would have had no reason to know Alphys, because they’ve never met in this separate timeline. Same goes for all of the other oddities between characters. Gerson, and all of the monsters who had previously “fallen down” (died) in Undertale for Alphys and Gaster to experiment on, actually died in this timeline because Alphys never became the royal scientist. Note that in the dark world, several NPC’s mention a “knight” that pulled the new Dark Fountain from the earth, restructured the entire foundation of the Darkener’s ruling system, and put Lancer’s father and Rouxles Kaard in power. To quote entry 17 from Undertale’s files; “DARK. DARKER. YET DARKER. THE DARKNESS KEEPS GROWING. THE SHADOWS CUTTING DEEPER. PHOTON READINGS NEGATIVE. THIS NEXT EXPERIMENT SEEMS VERY, VERY INTERESTING... WHAT DO YOU TWO THINK?” So, that knight is either going to be Gaster, or an alternate version of another character (like Ralsei is to Asriel) employed by him. In my opinion, an alternate Undyne or Asgore would make the most sense. Gaster created the Dark World, to experiment on US, as suggested in the opening minutes of the game... or in other words, the Human who has Determination. We aren’t allowed to choose who we are in this world because Gaster made the rules of the world (Rouxles Kaard is an alternate universe version of Gaster who was shattered across space and time, or at least is related to the Mystery Man if they aren’t one in the same) , and there’s not going to be multiple endings (as Toby said in his Q&A statements) because the outcome is always ‘pre-determined’. In later chapters, something is going to happen that leads us, or someone else, to creating the timeline where Undertale takes place. As the Clam Girl NPC says when talking about “Suzy” (note that Asriel was also called Ralsei rather than his original name, so Susie could have had a different spelling in the alternate universe), “In life’s grand scheme, she might be why you came here in the first place.” So, we went into Undertale’s timeline to change something that revolves around Susie, that happens in Deltarune.
A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding, so I'll try clearing it up, assuming I'm not also misunderstanding. Then I'll also add in info I've got afterwards. This takes place on a separate timeline entirely, thus how Undyne and Alphys don't know each other, Gerson is dead, Toriel and Asgore are divorced, and Asriel is alive, among other things. These could not be possible if in the same timeline as Undertale, as there, Asriel's death split up Asgore and Toriel, Undyne and Alphys already knew each other, and Gerson was alive. Being a different timeline, all of these are possible. But if you line up the timelines of Deltarune and Undertale, Deltarune would come before Undertale relative to each other. The tie for these parallel worlds, what makes such relevant times possible, is Sans. He is, according to the theory, from the Deltarune timeline. Things happened differently there until the point where he somehow ended up in a different timeline, where the events of Undertale later happened. The timelines are separate and parallel, and Sans crosses between them at some point. That explanation aside, there's some information that many people seem to be missing or forgetting. First off, another reference to Gaster comes from Seam. Upon defeating Jevil, if you return and talk to him, he has new dialogue that explains his and Jevil's past. Summarized, he says that Jevil was just the court jester until a man came and spoke to him, changing him. What he started saying didn't entirely make sense, but it didn't entirely not make sense either. And he changed Seam's outlook on the world, making it "darker, yet darker". This is a reference to Entry 17, and may also reference Gaster in other ways. In Undertale, the Delta Rune is does hold the prophecy of the angel who has seen the surface clearing the underground, yes. But when Gerson says this, he also states it was adopted as the emblem of the royal family, and that the symbol is older than written history. The original meaning is forgotten beyond the triangles supposedly representing the monsters. Its connection to the prophecy of the angel is assumed, and the original or true meaning is forgotten. The prophecy came with being sealed, and became associated with the symbol, but the symbol is even older, existing before monsters were sealed
I instantly drew to this conclusion that the Deltarune timeline leads to the creation of the Undertale timeline. Given San's secret room, the missing True Lab entry, teleportation doors, and other small easter eggs, the Deltarune timeline seems to occur at a later time than Undertale, but occurs before the continuity of the Undertale timeline. Even though the game may have one unchangeable ending, it will be story that would further explore the characters in-depth (both new and old) through the calamity that was described
MatPat wants a word. It’s an alternate timeline where the war between humans and monsters never happened. Noticed how Sans winks when he says ‘I’ve never met you before.’ He says this whenever he pretends to not know about alternate timelines. Meaning he’s pretending to have never met you in another timeline, when he knows he had. Also, there are two entry 17’s in undertale’s and deltarune’s code. Why would he make entry 17 in deltarune, and make it again in undertale? Also, it doesn’t make sense that sans would keep a picture of a person who a) literally turns them self into a demon and b) is a human. He wants to make minimal contact with humans in undertale; he still hates humans and only grudgingly takes in Frisk because of a promise he made. He wouldn’t want that. Besides, the three faces are definitely sans, papyrus, and Gaster. This could be a picture of his childhood, where you recognize no one in the photo. And who are the only people who we see constantly smiling? Whose images only have smiles? Papyrus. Sans. And Gaster. It says ‘don’t forget’ because Gaster was ripped from the timeline, and sans is the last person who could even potentially remember him. Why would he also have a machine close to it? It’s a time machine. He has that picture so he doesn’t forget Gaster, and so maybe one day he will save him. Also, uhh, Kris only seems to be happy when she rips out her soul. The game theorists have a good explanation on this in there first of a one part theory. The part about Toby saying ‘this game won’t affect the characters of undertale?’ Well, uhh, if it was a prequel, it would shape the characters of undertale. It would make their lives. It would affect them in every way possible. Now, I know you’re going to say; but there is only one ending, how would it change the characters? Well, there is always one timeline we never see; when the player dies. In a world where we chose not to restart or go from a save point. This timeline would change undertale, as this timeline certainly exists. And it happens, anytime when a person never completes the game. But it doesn’t affect undertale if you die in deltarune and don’t go back. If it was a prequel, it would. This argument would debunk all prequels to games, but only very rarely do we see the creator of the game say; ‘it wolnt affect the next game in the story no matter what.’ Also, you see how ‘grillbey’s’ is crossed out on the sign and ‘Sans’s’ is put in its place? Sans can jump between timelines. He knows we can reset even in deltarune. But he still CARES ENOUGH TO RUN A SHOP. Also, if this were a prequel, ‘Sans’s’ would be crossed out and ‘Grillbey’s’ would have paint behind it. It doesn’t; these are clearly the same building, no doubt about it. There are about two trillion more holes I could cover.
The sheriff's badge more likely to exist in Undertale because the person with the gun who was in Undertale. [They also had a poncho which is 2/3 pieces of a typical westerner sheriff's outfit.] A police badge is nice but that doesn't explain why Sans would have it either. When you talk to him he says he just moved there after all. Also none of the options are him choosing to talk about the officer. Aka, there is no real connection between Sans and the officer. In Undertale, the character we assume to be a Sheriff is also the Soul of Justice. Sans and Justice are very similar. So they may have either been friends, were one in the same, or ignited San's reason to be the way he is. So at this point the only thing you have, is a picture to correlate the two in my eyes. This doesn't mean that the possibility with Sans is out the window, it just means Toby would have to write a HUGE amount to make up for it really. Another issue to point out is that while you are making a direct connection with these characters and are saying he somehow kept items from a different timeline, that he'd have no way or reason to do that without the monsters being trapped underground. For instance, there is no hints that Sans is even a researcher in this game. Without his background in science may of these details would be beyond him. The core's creation is the event that would make your theory plausible and without the underground there was no reason to build it and also no Gaster as a royal scientist to build it. In addition because there was no Core in Deltarune, there is no reason for Gaster to be scattered across time and space or to be hidden from view or not exist in Deltarune's timeline. This means only one thing, that Undertale if it correlated with Deltarune at all, happens before Deltarune. This can be followed up with the idea that you cannot have a Chara without the events that drove them to the underground and without their death. Their death is not even a thing in Deltarune yet he still is assumingly taking control of Kris's body. How does that work? Finally you are making assumptions about Sans. If he also an alternate he has no reason to remember the events of something that happened to him. In general 'determination's' ability to reset the time under the mountain also makes no sense and so the only explanation that remotely makes any sense is that the Core's excess magic that isn't contained within it's own mechanisms is the reason why emotions have a huge effect on the things that happen underground in Undertale. If you say emotions have nothing to do with how strong a monster is in Undertale, look at most of the strong ones. Undyne, Sans, Asgore even Toriel starting the game are probably some of the most emotional monsters in the game. Basically San's desire for Justice was the thing that kept him aware of actions between timelines. Deltarune is probably an alternate timeline with connections to Undertale. The 'when' as far as 'time' is considered is irrelevant. Because say if Chara DID in fact get control of Frisk's soul. What IF they were able to use all the power of their emotions with the core and with determination to recreate or travel to Deltarune's timeline? All the pieces are there including why nobody is aware of the events of Undertale. "But that would make Deltarune the prequel" if the events Chara is traveling to are his past. I am here to say, "Nope there are many key differences." The key differences are. 1. "Chara hates humans, there are no humans besides his vessel in this game." 2. "Gaster and his scientists are still not around. Maybe his core would've still been created if they weren't scattered across time and space.." 3. Chara doesn't have complete control or say of what happens as long as Gaster is around. 4. The Geysers in the Alternate dimension are likely the excess energy from the Core that Chara was unable to make use of. These differences are important because in this game Chara gets to enjoy the happy ending he wants, a world with no humans except with the fact that he has no control over anything else. Of the lighteners Ralsei says only Kris can control the energy there. This would make sense if determination and emotions were involved but there is none. Susie is also a Lightener which can't she control the energy there? It's because the world was created by Chara. Ralsei is an Anagram of Asriel. Asriel was a part of Chara in Undertale and he knows the truth behind the events here. Ralsei has been waiting alone for the heroes to arrive. But not because Susie is even needed, but because he is waiting for Chara to save him. Susie has no real purpose in the story besides telling you, "What not to do." This may seem like it goes against Chara but what if the energy of creation had Asriel as an interfering force? That would explain why Asriel's soul is not accounted for in Undertale but his body and Chara's soul and body are accounted for. Basically, this is the world before Undertale but not the TIME before undertale.
I had a similar idea as a passing thought. That maybe the world from Deltarune is in fact the original timeline. That something bad happened which involved Gaster and resulted in the timeline getting reset. I hope to see the rest of this game later on and learn more at some point.
I actually thought of this before the release of the video 1.undyne doesn’t know alphys 2.deltarune takes place at the surface but there is no way to be a sequel because (just read the first one I don’t want to type it again even though this sentence is longer) cons: 1.toriel hates asgore 2.gerson died
Speaking of the name delta rune, the nordic rune of the letter d is dagaz, and means day. It also refers to the personification of day, Dagr. He is the son of personified dawn and personified night or earth (two different interpretations). Has a horse drawn chariot that pulls him across the sky. The horse is called Skinfaxi. With my thorough research of 2-3 wikipedia articles (genius, I know) I can conclude that our soul in this game is basically the personified day or Sun. Kris or is the horse. The wagon with the cage is a chariot. In the article it's also said "The sun chariot is drawn by a single horse, and was possibly imagined to be pulled back across the sky west to east by a second horse". The "chara taking over" part could be that "second horse" since it is night time. West to east could be, doing the exact opposite of what we do playing the game, being killing stuff. Might be a stretch, but Toby was definitely inspired by some Nordic myths for this one.
My interpretation is that Deltarune is indeed an AU, but Sans, Papyrus, and Chara came to the world of Undertale through Deltarune. Chara was transferred to Undertale back when Asriel was alive, and Sans and Papyrus appeared much later, sometime before Frisk fell. Yes, I’m aware of what Toby said: “I will say that basically, what you're seeing here is not the world of UNDERTALE. UNDERTALE's world and ending are the same as however you left them. If everyone was happy in your ending, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy. So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched. To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one. With different characters, that have lived different lives. A whole new story will happen...” Deltarune is not affected by Undertale, but that doesn’t mean Undertale isn’t affected by Deltarune. Deltarune isn’t simply an AU, it’s an actual dimension. The Undertale characters’ future is unaffected, but that doesn’t mean their past wasn’t affected by Deltarune in any way. Deltarune has its own story, no doubt, but that doesn’t mean there’s no indirect connection. TL;DR: Deltarune is an alternate universe that exists as a separate dimension, while also transpiring before Undertale due to Sans, Papyrus, and Chara being transferred from Deltarune to Undertale.
It's not a prequel, the graveyard kind of proves that. I'm not saying that it doesn't take place earlier in the overall timeline (though the date is later in Deltarune). My theory on the bunker though, is that it's the entrance to the underground.
my theory is that Delta Rune is Undertale, but in one of many alternate universes. the Undertale fandom was quick to come up with lots of AUs, and I think that DR may be one of said AUs
I have my own theory: This is Frisk's dream, where they have a different set of clothes and everyone has differences. For example, Bratty and Catty now hate each other. Also, there are no humans left except Frisk, who hated their name and removed one letter (F) and switched the places, which spells Kris, because the humans LOST the war in this dream. Then Frisk goes to school and is treated rottenly. Frisk and the school bully, Susie, go to the storage closet to get chalk, but realized it wasn't even close to looking like it. They fall and meet this prince named Raslei, which sounds familiar... then they meet Lancer, the prince of a different kingdom. Frisk (you know what screw this I'm calling Frisk Kris I don't care anymore) and Susie fight Lancer and win. Susie leaves and Kris (yep I finally did it) practices FIGHTing, ACTing, using ITEMS, SPAREing, and DEFENDing. A few hours later, they fight the King and Kris and Susie go back home. Then, while Kris (I'm now calling Kris Frisk again) is sleeping, Chara posses Kris (I meant when I get back to normal, are u dumb? Whatever. Note: It's a joke I assure you guys are smart) and throws Kris' soul into a cage. Chara (in Kris/Frisk's body) now has the power to summon knives. Kris tries to break free but can't and Chara looks at something. Kris turns over and see it's... FRISK WAKES UP! Then Frisk goes back to sleep and that's where everything else starts (Still waiting for part 2 Toby!!)
I think something significant that many people might be missing is that he isnt saying that it's a prequel in the sense of Deltarune's timeline goes on to have frisk falling in the underground. I do think he is saying that Deltarune's universe will give us insight on how Gaster and Chara go through dimensions. The deltarune universe could be a universe that is similar to undertale, and show us how characters like Sans can go from universe to universe. I think Undertale won't change, but Deltarune is simply another universe that may have had Sans in it before ending up in Undertale. Basically, they can be separate universes, the universe-jumping characters can still interact cross universe
It’s weird how kris ask undyn about alphy and say to sans greet to meet you again first i shook it off like a joke but when you learn that kris is possessed or controlled by chara it makes a lot of sense its chara who is talking
I believe it can't be a prequel or a sequel. The reason for this is one: Alphys and Undyne don't know each other meaning it isn't a sequel. Two: Gerson (the turtle merchant in UT) is dead, ruling out that it is a prequel. I believe it is an alternate timeline that Chara traveled to using Frisks soul in the Genocide route. Chara then enters the body of Kris and then finally takes control when he sleeps, ripping his soul out and locking it. Also I believe that Ralsei is not the prince of darkness and is infact the 'Flowey' of this timeline. He claims he is the Prince but has no followers and also tells us to travel to the original fountain and destroy it. He then locks the door to the new fountain meaning no one can get to it. In my theory, Lancer is the true prince of darkness and Ralsei is trying to control the balance of Light and Dark.
Good theory! However I have a few notes that just won't allow me to think its a prequel. 1. Gerson is dead (which you mentioned but didn't expand much on) 2. Asriel is in college (Asriel looked extremely young in undertale, plus he was born in the underground, so there's no way he could have been above ground before the events of undertale) 3. Toriel said she always wanted to be a teacher, not that she was one 4. This ones a tiny bit of a stretch, but I assume the one kid on the middle right side of our classroom is monster kid grown up
I saw a completely different theory with gaster and chara. The only reason we could destroy earth was from are choices. Gaster made a world without choices so it couldn't be destroyed. This was reinforced by the fact that the lack of choices forced a pacifist run, not a genocide run. The ending was caused by being able to make a choice on how to deafeat the king, which let chara in and let him destroy the world.
Maybe the original prophecy was something like “an angel from the light and save the monsters. It will take the, to the light” or so,etching like that. And when they got trapped underground they finally got what it meant
Quite a lot going on in this one! I really feel it needs to be watched to the end to make sense, lol. Also, note how some of the NPCs around town are clearly Gaster's followers from the first game (look it up)! Perhaps they "followed" Gaster from DR to UT, proving it's a prequel (as suggested by Kaela)! Apologies if I sound a little sicky towards the end, I'm not very well.
Just one thing to destroy your theory gerson boom is dead :-(
@Doryoku mizo the dog said it's in alt universe and the dog was teleported to deltarune
toby stated its an AU
meh accly your evidence is indeed correct, but it doesn't fit with the premise of the video. Thesis : "deltarune is a sequel to undertale" then you start giving examples of how it works for both, it is in the future from undertale's perspective (given that gerson is dead, asriels age ect...etc..... etc), and you give sans as an example of how everything is in the past for him (another thing is that you finnaly bringed out the delta rune as dreemur's family crest). All of this is true (in some way) but if you later state that deltarune works as a sequel in some cases and a sequel in other cases. Then you would be prooving another thesis (wich was already given by toby). wich is.... Thesis : "deltarune is not a sequel nor a prequel" in fact this woldn't be a thesis this would be a FACT, making this video pointless......
www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/9w86fc/theorists/
Sans said
“Look, I gave up trying to go back a Long time ago.”
Is this what he meant?
Undertale - A game where your Choices matter
Deltarune - A game where your choices are nothing
*A child’s dream*
*And a child’s reality*
so true-
not really true actually? in chapter 2 it’s very clearly shown Kris (or more accurately the player) WANTS to have their choices matter which is kind of made obvious with the weird route, so this theory and comment both aged horribly
"When the light is running low"
PHOTON READINGS NEGATIVE
"And the shadows start to grow"
DARK, DARKER YET DARKER
and
SHADOWS CUTTING DEEPER
"And the places that you know seem like fantasy"
"Have you ever thought about a world where everything is exactly the same... Except you don't exist?"
Oh gawd
HOLY SHIT
What the CRAP only if
🤜☯️🤛☯️✡️🙌👆👍🤛☯️🤛👍😭🙌👆✡️✡️🙌😐☯️✡️🙌🤛🙌🤛🙌☯️🤛🙌👍🤛
@Spaghetti pasta loving fan Nyeh heh heh 👆🤛😐
Normal people: “Toby said Deltarune is unrelated to Undertale”
Me: UNRELATED IS AN ANAGRAM OF UNDERTALE, BAM!
[crazed screaming]
And Deltarune is a Anagram of Undertale
Wow your actually right
Holy sh*t
O h S h i t
Holy shit it is.
Toby: "deltarune is it's own separate thing."
Every Singe Theorist:
I know right
Here are some anagrams I found no one has mentioned yet:
DELTARUNE-NUT DEALER
RALSEI-ISRAEL
SUSSIE-ISSUE
hope this helps!👍
also asriel --- serial, dremurr --- murderer
Yup it did
Susie only has 1 s but yeah wahtever lol
Nutella dealer ? 😋
Undertale and Deltarune are unrelated
An interesting thing I haven't heard mentioned too much, yet: Apparently, if you look into the sprite files of the human you create at the beginning of the game, apparently those sprite files are known as "goner head", "goner torso" and "goner legs".
Are we creating a gaster follower? Why are we creating a goner? Was this "goner" really discarded? So many questions, so much hype.
This has nothing to do with the actual lore.
@@bluetintedchromee3881 wdym?
@@hollosou335 what I mean is that it's simply the file name no lore involved
@@locker439 There's dialogue in Deltarune's files that indicate (both in English and Japanese) that indicate that someone is attempting to communicate with us or someone (if you don't know, just look up "Deltarune unused dialogue in files") - especially considering the meta nature of Deltarune and Undertale, it's reasonable to take some aspects of the code and files as canon.
*Even if we aren't including that,* it's clear that having the files of these body parts being named "goner", especially since in game they're used in a place where it seems like Gaster is talking to us based on the text (which Gaster is commonly associated with Goners) means that Toby likely intends for the body parts to be *goner body parts,* and that we're creating goners.
Like it's pretty absurd to call files by the name "goner", especially since goners are a previously established set of entities that exist in Undertale, unless if Toby didn't have a good lore reason to.
@@hollosou335those body parts were discarded to reinforce the no choice matters thing not goners relating to gaster
Toby: Don't bother yourself with questions about if this is a prequel or a sequel or whatever
Underlab: does it anyway with a clickbait
Toby: Am I a joke to you?
I feel like u used a likebot cus I'm ur only reply
Still liked it tho
@@DuztS uuuh yea sure likebot
what the fuk, no
Me too!
@@Saelendious not tryna hate or anything, just u have barely any reply (I mean if there's more people gonna attack me then wynaut)
Probably because people look too deep on stuffs...the river is shallow...but people kept on thinking that it's deep...that they end up on digging down making a part of the river deeper...
(Edit: so deep that curious kids tried to swam down and eventually drown cause of curiosity)
I like how Toby debunked this theory before this video even came out. He said it on his twitter.
@Chara it is a theory, a wrong one, but a theory.
Chara it’s not be disproven though
Chara they're trying to say that it's a different universe but it effects the other one in a sense like a Multi-verse which if I remember correctly is a string of different events like how some things is DeltaRune are like Undertale's which made undertale's universe by a few choices which would explain why Gerson is dead in DT and is alive in UT since a different chain of events happened You are correct DT is Not a Prequel but the events that happened before the game takes place could have made a multi verse that Made the world of Undertale
Toby could have said that just to throw us off though. I mean we've only experienced the first chapter of this game, who knows where it's gonna go. There are many factors that point to this not being a prequel or sequel so far but that may change when the full game comes out.
Alisha Dee but as of now,it isn't a prequel.
"Let's erase this pointless world, and move on to the next" -Chara 201X
202X
Chara: Well, this is the world...
Me: a-hem... I'm not killing this world.
@GenoTheLegend 101 r/whooosh
MABYE
@PopTartBoy but that's all just one world. deleting the undertale world deletes all the humans too.
*21XX
To me Deltarune is both a prequel and a sequel. Some of you will understand for sure.
LimboGen no. No sequal. Just you
Was just thinking this. Could say it’s a sequel if anybody has memories or takes actions based upon Undertale.
I actually think you're right about that...
Some characters seem to be from post UT, and other characters seem to be from before UT.
EDIT: To be more specific... Sans seems like he's here from before UT (and maybe Kris...) whereas Gaster (and also maybe Kris) seem like they are here from post undertale.
It's not entirely clear yet wether Kris eventually becomes Chara, or Chara has come to DR after the Genocide run. You can argue that Kris eventually becomes Chara (due to the design of their shirt and their actions being similar...) but you can also argue that Chara possessed Kris due to the beginning text (How it changes fonts when saying you have no choices) and how Kris is significantly older than Chara.
That makes zero sense.
Au
The name of the ending song is "don't forget"
Another argument for the sans theory
What sans theory?
Moon child That he is from the deltarune universe and got to undertale universe
@@hassoqwert oh ok,thx.now please wait while I rethink my life.
The theory that sans in deltarune is the same as in undertale
He winks every time he says hes “new here”
or when he says “Especially considering i’ve never met you before”
And hes also the only character to look exactly the same in both games
Also during his boss fight in undertale he said he’d “given up going home a long time ago”
And “the surface doesn’t really appeal to me anymore”
I think his “home” is the world of deltarune
And theres also the hidden room with the photo of 3 people in it with the text “dont forget” I think the three people are Ralsei Kris and Susie
Also “don’t forget” is the name of the song that plays after the ending
Tell me if u agree
Jorgenmeister Main channel Yes
It is also worth noting that Sans possesses a crossword puzzle with Ice-E in Undertale (at certain fun values). Ice-E is a character that doesn't even exist in the world of Undertale, but is very present in Deltarune. So it's very likely that Sans travelled from Deltarune to Undertale and brought the puzzle with him.
That's ... interesting.
Someone should double check that, but you might be onto something.
Toby has made sure to reeeeeaaally push Ice-E into your face in Deltarune, why I can't remember him in Undertale at all outside of the puzzle.
When I saw this I was like "I respectfully and kindly, disagree"
Edit: Four likes, okay here's my reason.
Ya see, If it was a long time ago
Undyne, Alyphs, And well I don't know MONSTER KID! would be younger (Or for monster kid and possibly azzy) Would be younger or non-existent, and you said it yourself Gerson is dead, however in Undertale he alive, care to explain why Toriel Hates/ Dislikes Asgore, before, he declares war.
As for Chara, I am keeping that idea to myself for now
(Thanks for the likes guys.
Edit 2: Hum, I might share my opinion, maybe not. If it gets 30 likes *Not likely to happen* I may reconsider.
WOW 8 LIKES I AM ABOUT TO REACH MY LIKE RECORD!
Ya got 30 likes now
32 likes damn
*PLEASE READ MY THEORY UTS MAKES SENCE! PLEASE.!!*
Behind sans house there is still a broken machine.
Well, that's a machine that went wrong. So already used.
And on that machine stands * "Three happy people smiling" *
Ralsei .. kris ... Susie ...
And that old turtle of undertale said something about deltarune.
And in deltarune sans has moved here! And he said that he already knew your mother since he was just in the town! And you see a lot of ghaster sounds in areas! At undertale they said that ghaster had used a time machine but that went wrong!
MY THEORY MAKES SENSE OMGGG
SANS /GHASTER/ALPHYS JUST WANTED TO BE FREE AND MADE A MACHINE
BRATTY AND CATTY DONT EVEN LIKE EACH OTHER!
ASRIEL IS STUDYING!
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY!
UNDYNE AND ALPHYS DONT EVEN MET
36 likes now >:))
Explain Ralsei manual that is made in 202X.
Undertale is actually the AU and Deltarune is the original
It's not in the same continuous timeline, but rather a combination of prequel and AU.
@@supercyclone8342 Good thinking sir!
@@King_Luigi lol
BC
Essentially, Deltarune's present heavily parallels Undertale's past. So, we can know more about Undertale's past through the present of another timeline that has many elements of Undertale's past.
Edit: This also opens up the possibility that the present of the Deltarune universe and its future can lead to some of its characters--namely Sans, Gaster, and Frisk--to hop onto Undertale's timeline and cause the events of Undertale. So, in a way, it is a prequel to Undertale, it's just that the prequel of Undertale would necessarily have to include another timeline given what we know about certain characters taking experiences from other timelines into the Undertale timeline, like Sans. We know that Sans has stated he gave up on going back to his own timeline, so we know that a part of Undertale's past includes San's past, which he has stated is in another timeline.
This is what the theory is claiming.
Kris: *screaming and ripping soul out*
Toriel in the other room: "This is fine"
Once again, Toby has confirmed that this is in fact a completely different universe, not a sequel or a prequel or anything. Different universe, unconnected story, some of the same characters.
Gallent Bristle sure sure I wouldn’t believe Toby anyway and if that was the case that just makes him look lazy
@@ontos8534, omg, it's so human. Someone made something and said it's GREEN with BLACK stripes and it mean just colors, but others like "NO! ITS A LIE! ITS BLACK with RED squares! AND ITS IMPLY SUFFER AND DEEP PAIN"
Gallent Bristle like the 1000s of different AUs on the internet
Underlab explained that they do believe that Toby is telling the truth, that the Deltarune world is not the Undertale world. But they also believe that Deltarune sets up the story of Undertale in some way through interdimensional travel and evil spirits of genocide. Simply put, Undertale is born, because Deltarune happened first. Not a direct prequel, but still connected. Toby loves to leave hidden mysteries like that in his stories. Unfortunately, we won't know for sure until the full game is released. Who knows how long it will take for that to happen?! Only Toby himself, and he's not telling.
Soma Cruz the DemiHog and that would be possible, however Toby also mentions how he’s worried people will look too far into things and that they will think deltarune is something more than what it is. This leads me to believe that, unless more conclusive evidence comes out showing otherwise, the two games aren’t connected except by the characters. Like Simon Petrikov 39 said, in my mind it seems more similar to an official au than it is an indirect prequel.
I think those in the comments are reading into the title a little too literally. Yeah, there is direct evidence in the game leaning towards it not being a prequel, but that is not what Underlab was trying to get at in this video.
The evidence Underlab gave about the games was how Sans, Chara, and Gaster are all possibly traveling across each of the universes. With UL stating that Sans is a "time traveler," assuming that we combine that with the ability to dimension travel, this would mean that all three of them would be able to jump to each dimension at different points in time. This would be supported with Sans being able to travel to what is presumably the end of the Deltarune AU for him to have a picture of the three lightners in the Undertale AU (if that's what it's a picture of). Further evidence is at the end of the first chapter of Deltarune, if we assume Chara is possessing Kris, it seems that Chara would have had to travel pretty far into the future in order to succeed in doing that. The two universes could be line in line, but that doesn't mean that Gaster/Chara/Sans ultimately end up traveling to the exact point in time where the two universes line up; nothing in either of the games hint at it this otherwise.
What this would mean is that Deltarune is ultimately not a prequel, though it's not a sequel either; it's both. But we have to remember that Deltarune and Undertale are alternate universes of each other, and that comes above all. Details like Gerson being deceased and Undyne and Alphys not knowing each other are completely separate to the universes in the games, and don't matter in determining whether or not Deltarune came before or after Undertale.
finally someone who isn't so harsh on Underlab's theory! you have some very good points!
EXACTLY!
😎👍
I don't think Chara posesses Frisk. Have you noticed on the first save you *override* another save file from Kris to whatever you name "the creator" of the vessel.
It seems like when you say UL its gonna be UnderLust XD
Underlab, Deltarune being a prequel is true, but its also a sequel, in an alternaternative universe.
It is clearly said in UT that sans missed going back to a place and UT sans knows about the sun. Im sure that for sans, this is a prequel. However, for us the player, or chara, is a sequel, after the genocide route.
Chara is always with the player, it makes sense that for chara, its a sequel, or the future. The next world that they mentioned in genocide route. And im sure that deltarune is a sequel to genocide.
In deltarune, the window states its a beautiful day. The birds can be actually heard in deltarune, and the flowers are blooming in there too. Sans' spiel indicates that pheraps, some sort of event made him hate them, or maybe its his try to make chara realize that they are killing the monsters in underground, assuming that Chara remembered deltarune, like sans.
Then in the ending of DR, chara takes our soul out, loosing control of the game. In genocide choices dont matter.
Also, the gaster experiments are referenced when kris and susie open the closet with the chalk. Dark, yet darker, the darkness keeps growing. Photon readings negative.. etc. What you do you two think?. Basically in DR, it seems that all kind of light is absorved, as if photons became a negative value, and the shadows in that scene are cutting deeper.
DR is a prequel, a sequel, set up in an AU.
Besides, in DR the monsters also believe in the deltarune simbol. If DR monsters believe in the same things said in UT, the origin of the deltarune symbol still remains a mistery.
Time travel is involved, and DR could be a very ancient timeline made by another determined being such as frisk or flowey.
I’ve always thought that the true ending of Undertale wasn’t quite a Pacifist Run, but one done after completing a Genocide Run.
You know, I thought it was pretty interesting that Kris in-battle looks a lot like the human with a sword from Undertale's Intro against Asgore.
There might be some connection between the two but I doubt that kris would just decide to betray all his friends and beat up his dad for no reason, and also the monsters that would become the amalgamates have already turned to dust by the events of deltarune when in undertale they were amalgamated while they were in the fallen down state
@@amogusinsuster9560 5 years late but i just have to correct you, kris's pronouns are they/them
Didn’t Toby Fox say it‘s an AU?
Yes
Yah, after all, Undyne never lost her eye in Deltarune BUT the amalgamate characters DID pass away. I think it makes it pretty clear that it's neither directly a prequel nor sequel.
Sans said
“Look, I gave up trying to go back a Long time ago.”
Is this what he meant?
i believe so, it really does fit.
Or maybe it was too many game resets, so he gave up.
Wait, this got me thinking...
Maybe sans really comes from the dark world, but couldn't find the entrance to it?
@@mariuszjankowski9974 Deltarune isn't a prequel at all. It's funny when people still try to continue calling it a prequel after toby himself confirmed on his twitter that it's nor a prequel or sequel
@@DiamondPenguinGG it's both
This theory makes me believe that the 2 games being connected is actually possible. I wonder why Toby Fox wants us to think that they are unrelated.
Maybe because they are?
Its an au it is unrelated.
The games are connected, by you and your choices. If you already have an Undertale save file on your PC, and download Deltarune, it will have certain effects on the game. Toby is a master of hidden messages and half-truths. Look underneath the underneath, if you wish to know the full truth.
@@SomaCruztheDemigodofBalance You are so wrong, the game do not detect your undertale save file, and they aren't connected either, and "your choices not matter".
Maybe what we are experiencing in chapter 1 of deltarune is just a vision of UT world experienced by an AU character?
6:50 toby said "don't forget" in a message about chapter 2 in an interview...
And deltarune's ending song is "don't forget".
There was 3 people on the pic (probably gaster, sans and someone else, could be chara itself). Why do I think it's chara? Because she was shown at the end and after her scene the song goes on, that could mean she is a part of a "don't forget" team
The riverman. Said "beware of the man who came from the other world" in my game, I've never heard that one before, it might be a secret patch, plz like so that he'll see it
Toby fox literally said its not a prequel or a sequel its also a “”demo”” and Toby was just testing it and he will re;ease all the other chapters at the same time, so its in a different universe.... maybe u should keep up with the news
Actually, there is a subtle reference to the Underground. When you fall down in school, the area you land in is like the Underground and the outside ground of the school is like Mt.Ebbott's. Toby most likely did that intentionally to give you the Undertale vibes.
For the people that says it can’t be a prequel because “legitimate reason”+ “Toby fox said it was not a prequel or sequel to undertale”,
I think underlab is saying that it is both in another universe as well as being prequel chronological, not in the past in the same timeline as he states “sans has the ability to switch worlds.”, so that things like Gerson being dead or asriel being older can exist in the universe. Also, the date for chara falling was 201X while deltarune occurs in 202X so, if asriel was born in the same time as he was in undertale, his age checks out for him going to college.
Izh1703 But it took place in 202X?
Yeah, but time might not persist through universes
“sans has the ability to switch worlds.” and yet nothing was given to back that up, Sans can't do that at all
Dear underlab:
Toby Fox comfirmed this is neither a prequel or a sequel
I have a statement that can debunk this theory. Look at sans’s bar. The letters “Grillby’s” have been taken away. This means that sans moved grillby’s bar to the surface and took it as his own. (7:51)
wrong. the war between humans and monsters never happened in deltarune, so the underground couldn't have been inhabited. this means it was impossible for sans to move grillby's bar to the surface.
YuB's boi Here’s a conclusion that will make both of us happy. Sans took over grillby’s bar after grillby (for some reason) gave it to sans.
RIGHTLEFT223 oh ok
I believe it's a different universe, but war never happened. It's actually a prequel to undertale in other universe, because in undertale 201x Chara felt down to the underground, not Frisk. He did it way later. We know that Delta rune is 202x because of the found planned manual, where u could find the date (202x). Although, we don't really know it, because it seems Ralsei waited really long for Kris and Susie, and she wrote that manual in 202x.
But hey, that's just a theory :D
Modern cars, cell phones, home computers. Is that all i have to say?
to be fair, Toriel had a cell phone back in Undertale, but it was "ancient" as alphys put it. And in consideration that cars and computers before cell phones, that argument is invalid.
Oh yeah, one more thing, this is a completely different world than the one we live in, we can't truly compare it to our timeline. Hence the monsters.
@@patrickcox7579 How did they compare the world we live in. They have all of those things in undertale. They have computers as seen by Napstablook and Papyrus, they have cell phones proven by Alphys. And they have cars proved by Sans and Papyrus.
@@alienxotic5028 I mean in a timeline sense. In the Undertale universe, they may have had those things looong before humans did. I'm aware that they had all that stuff in undertale, but we have no real record of any form of history other than the monsters having been trapped underground for a long enough time for many of them to not have too much hope.
@@patrickcox7579 actually, it has been implied that humans had those things first. Also, human and monster species has been around for a long time.
@@alienxotic5028 Ok, I didn't exactly say that right. When I said "humans" I meant our world, and I can see how that was my fault
Toby: Deltarune is an AU of Undertale
Underlab and their fans: I p r e t e n d i d i d n o t s e e
When I was playing deltarune with no spoilers I really thought Ralsei was Flowey, and there fore Asriel, everyone thought I was crazy, cut to the end and I'm screaming with laughter when Ralsei removed his hat
I hate how no one points out what clamgirl said
She said that
"In lifes grand scheme, she(suzy) may have been why you came here in the first place"
Its possible the whole reason frisk fell down was because of suzy, i mean, we dont even know why they fell down, even when asriel in the pacifist ending asked them like 3 times
And if you dont think suzy is the same as the susie from deltarune, check susie's concept arts, ive heard that her original name in them was "suzy", just like clamgirl mentions her (edit: turns out this was false, my bad, i still personally think shes talking about deltarune susie though)
Then in the switch version in the pacifist ending, she says "dont despair, my dear, as the time for you to meet her..."
Then she suddenly turns grayscale like the gaster followers and says
"...is fast approaching."
And then she disappears with the gaster follower disappearing sound
Almost literally no one points how important her dialogue is, not even matpat for gods sake
Did you just
*hate on star wars?*
**Whips out lightsaber**
Im sorry sir but you’ll have to leave now
sans has one too!
Shut up nerd
@@user-xo7hl1mu9t nerds are smart
Sans winks while saying he's never met us, hinting that he actually knows more. Maybe he doesn't know that we know, and thus doesn't want to reveal it.
Ok, so here is what I think, I think that DeltaRune is unrelated, until it gets connected (sorta kinda like a Kingdom hearts type narrative where there are different universes that exist, but they have nothing to do with each other, until they do).
we can't really rule out a multiverse theory, after all, in Undertale, you dictate 3 different timelines in which 3 different things can happen (well, technically more if you want to get more technical).
To me, Deltarune is it's own pre-existing entity, with recognizable characters living an alternate life from what has been established by Undertale, it is not a prequel, and here is the main reason why...
Undertale was the story between humans and monsters, and the humans banishing the monsters to the underground, but... have you noticed something that's missing? where are all the humans? as far as the eye can see, Kris is the only human. This, among other things, is the reason why Deltarune can't possibly be a prequel to Undertale.
if you want to throw something related into the mix, remember that Gaster was scattered across time and space, it is possible that what we're seeing here, is perhaps visions of alternate universes he may have found, and seeing how they play out. Why? I cannot say, perhaps a more favorable outcome to a future predicament, sort of like Rick and Morty.
It's all speculation
I mean, Chara did say that they would destroy another world after they destroy undertale.. Maybe DELTARUNE is next?
The ending song for deltarune is called "Don't Forget" too. Just thought I'd note that. Great video btw!
GASTER IS ROUXLS KAARD GOD DAMMIT.
Kyle Celezte Well are you sure that Gaster is a skeleton?
Kyle Celezte Wait. How is that racist btw?!
We've all established that Deltarune is an alternate universe that seemingly takes place 10 years later than Undertale, but in terms of story it does make sense that this could still be a prequel due to time travel. This is a really great theory and it can definitely be expanded upon. What if the "unfixable" time machine in Sans' room is what was used for the characters to get into Undertale and was used as an attempt to time travel back 10 years into the past, but just brought them into a completely different timeline/universe entirely. I've also noticed the aura under Sans' bedroom door being exactly the same as the aura of the doors you use to fast travel in Deltarune, this may play a role in all of this too. But man, this is a great theory you got going on in this video!
I thought the glowing under the door looked familiar! I just couldn't place how. THANK YOU!
Yet it takes place in 202X
Just like Chara said,
Learn your maths.
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.
it Says It Was When Chara Fell In The Underground So...Maybe A Couple Years Later Frisk Came Or Before Sans Died And Bleed Out He Use That Broken Thingie To....nvm i forgot lol
@Chara Indeed, cause if you get caught, you will not only be sendt back in time, but to an alternate reality as well. Where is your doctor now!
It is an au
*i knew it!*
When I was playing this with knowing that this is a complete new story, I was thinking *"this feels 100% Charas story"*
Maybe toby was tricking us
welp.... another day another theory that is wrong from the beigining
edit: you were close in the second part of the video but, the first part has yet to fin evidence tof a connection btween the two parts of the video.
Before watching video:
No, it's a sequel. You can tell by the fact that they're on the surface, there's technology present (the monster/human war looked like it took place around the medieval era), and Monster Kid is older.
The discrepancies, such as Undyne having both eyes, Asriel being alive, and Alphys apparently not knowing Undyne, suggests that this is a sequel that takes place in an alternate universe/timeline, which is right up Undertale's alley.
After watching video:
I can understand the view on your points, but you're not taking the full scope of Undertale's quantum physics into consideration.
The absence of Frisk can be explained quite simply: sacrifice. This timeline's version of Frisk likely ended up dead by their own choice in order to advance some kind of goal, whether that be allowing the monsters to go free or to give Asriel another chance at a life with his parents and with a soul to keep him whole (kind of like Dreemurr Reborn, but probably without Frisk's consciousness interacting with Asriel).
So how does Kris come into the picture? Also simple: Toriel adopted Kris at a very young age - either toddler or infant going by the brief nostalgia trip she had if asked ("You asked us when your horns were going to grow in, so we got you a headband with little red horns on it. You wore it for months! I wonder what happened to it?"). If adopted as a child, with their identity as a human cemented, Kris would not have thought that they were of the same species as Toriel and Asriel, meaning that they had to have been a part of the family when they were very young. Toriel likely even named them Kris in honor of Frisk, given that the latter is a slight anagram of the former with the "f" removed.
The whole thing with the photo of the three characters on the "never forget" photo can also be explained in a way that doesn't point to "prequel": Sans.
I don't know if you realize this, but Sans...is an anomaly. He's always jumping between different points in space and seems aware of all alternate timelines and universes and is regarded as just showing up out of nowhere with Papyrus one day in Undertale. Who's to say that San's own timeline isn't somehow different from ours.
Have you ever seen Doctor Who? Picture Sans as the Doctor, only able to travel and teleport without the use of a TARDIS. He could've visited Delta Rune before Undertale but, in chronological timeline-wise, Deltarune is still capable of happening after Undertale because Sans is capable of traversing the timelines and, likely, to some extent, time itself.
Great theory, but one dioluge strip conpletly destroys yours theory. In the libarabry alphys wrote a review of mew mew kissy 2, and about his much she loves it. In udnertale she hates mew mew kissy 2, and says it ruins the first one.
This is because it's not the same Alphys. Just because it takes place earlier doesn't mean it takes place in the same universe. In his theory he's saying the only characters that are connecting the games are Gaster, Chara, and possibly Sans. All the other ones are completely different characters.
Right now, I'm sorta wondering if this might have something to do with how Chara was created in the first place, maybe as something of a split-personality of Kris. For those who don't know, a REAL split personality comes about from someone who has suffered abuse in their life to a level that they just can't take and want to escape from, and so they make up another "self" that can take their abuse for them. And, when you consider the ending of Deltarune, as well as several other pieces of evidence, it's pretty clear that Kris is living anything but a happy life.
This is a post I have made on a few other deltarune videos, I am just going to copy-paste it because it is a 19 point list detailing all the evidence that shows how unhappy Kris' life really is, because there really is a lot that you have to be looking at the game with blatant nostalgia goggles for Undertale, be skipping all the side content, or have very poor empathy skills in order to miss.
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1. Consider Kris and Azriel's room. Kris' side of the room is completely bare except for the cage in the wagon. (a cage on wheels. Choice doesn't matter reference?) Meanwhile, Azriel's side of the room is filled with all kinds of trophies, decorations, and under the bed is game systems and CDs. Azriel is given everything and Kris is given nothing.
2. When you explore the house, you discover a trashcan with a "floral scent." This doesn't mean much at the time, but it winds up meaning a lot later.
3. You have the opportunity to find a collection of "childhood treasures" which is called "ball of junk" in your inventory. It is a collection of things that are of sentimental value to your connection between Kris and Azriel.
4. If you try to throw away the ball of junk, Kris gets very emotionally torn up about it.
5. While you are driving to school, Toriel says something about Azriel coming to visit next week.
6. With some more talking around, you discover that Azriel is away at college.
This is all you can discover before the adventure in the dark world, and this is not anywhere close to enough to start putting the picture together. However, AFTER you get out of the dark world you get to explore the town and you start to discover a lot more things that make it all start to come together, and hints about it are littered throughout the entire town.
7. When you talk to Toriel on the phone, it is subtly implied that most of your life up until now has consisted of her taking you to school and then her taking you straight home. It is implied that you actually don't get out much, and she is really surprised when you say that you were with a friend (Suzi.) Finding out you were with a friend, she lets you, presumably for the first time in a long time, wander about on your own.
8. Talk to the priest, you hear about how you and your entire family used to come to church every Sunday, but one day that just stopped.
9. You talk to the lady at the diner, you find out that every Sunday your whole family used to come to the diner. When that stopped, she describes that just you and Azriel would still continue coming with just the two of you and you would sit in the booth and draw shapes on the window in the fog of your breath and generally just hang around.
10. After the lady at the diner describes the stuff in #9, she gives you a free chocolate milk. If you drink the chocolate milk, the text says that "your throat tightens." In other words, difficult emotions being brought up for you by the act of drinking the chocolate milk.
Ok, so stuff is starting to come together now, but this next set of things really take it up a notch.
11. You go to the flower shop which is owned by Asgor, your dad. He becomes very happy and enthusiastically hugs you. He then backs off and is scared about whether or not you liked being hugged like that. In fact, he starts completely bending over backward to try to make you happy. (Very typical behavior of the non-custodial parent in a divorce situation.)
12. You examine the air mattress, Asgor's bed. He offers that if you want to spend the night with him he will let you use the bed and he will sleep on some of the bags of soil downstairs.
13. You examine the fridge, you discover the only thing in there is a single pickle. You leave it. This doesn't seem too significant in and of itself, except maybe to show that Asgor is really poor, but then you consider that you have had items like that dangled in front of you before, but every time in the past you have had an item like that you had a choice whether to take it or not. In this case, you were denied that choice. Kris absolutely would not take Asgore's last pickle.
14. You go other places in the town, you find out that, in fact, Toriel talks about how Kris is typically an absolute pig that eats all her sweets and snacks before she can even get any at all. This depicts a huge difference in how Kris treats Asgor and how Kris treats Toriel.
15. When you leave, Asgor gives you a bouquet of flowers to give to Toriel. (recall the floral scent from the trashcan.)
16. You find Alphes in the alley way. Turns out, this is her home, she is homeless. However, there are several thrashcans she is using as planters, and they are filled with flowers. Turns out, they are all from Asgor, and whenever he brings Alphes flowers he is also asking about how you are doing in school. Every single time he talks to her the first question on his mind is how you are doing in school.
17. You get home with Toriel and give her the flowers. Her reaction is mostly putting on a happy face, but it is rather clear she is not pleased.
18. I could have said this earlier, but as you go around town, there were also a lot of people describing these cruel pranks you always tent to pull on other kids your age in order to scare them.
19. As you interact with your home environment, you are treated to a number of comments from Toriel that reinforce the selfish and low-level destructive nature of Kris' typical behavior. Basically, behaviors that do nothing to cause serious permanent damage, but all of them creating little inconveniences, and the large bulk of such behaviors are directed straight at Toriel.
When you put all the pieces together, it paints a story of a child with a broken household. Toriel has custody of the children, as is the typical case in a divorce. Asgor is dirt poor, probably from Alimony and Child support payments. Toriel greatly favors Azriel over Kris, as shown by how completely bare Kris' side of the room is compared to Azriel's. Kris begins acting out in ways both at home and in town that are highly typical of a child who is being neglected and abused. The one and only person in town that Kris is more kind in his/her interactions with is Asgor, shown by you never even getting a choice to take that last pickle. There is also the fact that you readily take that bouquet of flowers back to Toriel, indicating probably Kris really does want his/her parents to get back together.
Normally, when a broken home situation is depicted in a game or movie or TV series, it is just flat out said as a fact or you are given one or two references to what this means to the character. In the case of Deltarune, it is never rubbed in your face and you actually have to explore around in order to find the lore about this, and it is given to you in subtle hints about how Kris' daily life looks and how Kris is emotionally affected by this. This causes the whole child of divorce and maternal neglect picture to make a far deeper emotional impact than it would otherwise.
Really, the more you explore the town and talk to people and have the picture come together, the more miserable you feel as you sympathize with Kris. Despite the light all around, it just seems to look darker and darker and feel colder and the same music that seems happy like a somber end to the game when you leave the school building gradually starts to seem more and more sad as though it's a lament for the situation Kris faces in his/her daily life.
What would happen to a child like that, whose Soul was bathed in Dark Energy, like at the end of Kris's journey? That would make matters even worse, I believe. The intense negative Energy would amplify all of Kris's darkest traits, until they became uncontrollable. Hence the Soul being ripped out, and caged. However, there were blood stains on the floor around the cage, so perhaps that has also happened before, as well... It's hard to say, we don't have enough Data. Gaster, give me a hand or two, would you? 💀
Can’t be a prequel or a sequel
our dear turtle is dead xd
He's not dead, he's just bust swimming in the water
The title: "Deltarune is a prequel"
Also the title: "Undertale 2"
Who told Jevil it's all a game?
Please make a theory on this!
Not according to what the shopkeeper tells you once you beat jevil
The Knight
Gaster
*PLEASE READ MY THEORY UTS MAKES SENCE! PLEASE.!!*
Behind sans house there is still a broken machine.
Well, that's a machine that went wrong. So already used.
And on that machine stands * "Three happy people smiling" *
Ralsei .. kris ... Susie ...
And that old turtle of undertale said something about deltarune.
And in deltarune sans has moved here! And he said that he already knew your mother since he was just in the town! And you see a lot of ghaster sounds in areas! At undertale they said that ghaster had used a time machine but that went wrong!
MY THEORY MAKES SENSE OMGGG
SANS /GHASTER/ALPHYS JUST WANTED TO BE FREE AND MADE A MACHINE
BRATTY AND CATTY DONT EVEN LIKE EACH OTHER!
ASRIEL IS STUDYING!
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY!
UNDYNE AND ALPHYS DONT EVEN MET
nice pfp
Heres my theory: so, the deltarune timeline is set in an alternate universe (multiverse) and it is _behind_ in time from the undertale timeline. The human in the undertale introduction looks alot like kris so maybe the delta timeline hasnt had the war yet. Maybe after kris goes evil (or possesed) he turns against monsterkind triggering a war and vice versa.
Deltarune is not a prequel.
*PLEASE READ MY THEORY UTS MAKES SENCE! PLEASE.!!*
Behind sans house there is still a broken machine.
Well, that's a machine that went wrong. So already used.
And on that machine stands * "Three happy people smiling" *
Ralsei .. kris ... Susie ...
And that old turtle of undertale said something about deltarune.
And in deltarune sans has moved here! And he said that he already knew your mother since he was just in the town! And you see a lot of ghaster sounds in areas! At undertale they said that ghaster had used a time machine but that went wrong!
MY THEORY MAKES SENSE OMGGG
SANS /GHASTER/ALPHYS JUST WANTED TO BE FREE AND MADE A MACHINE
BRATTY AND CATTY DONT EVEN LIKE EACH OTHER!
ASRIEL IS STUDYING!
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY!
UNDYNE AND ALPHYS DONT EVEN MET
@@lemonaexe Gerson said the Deltarune was the name of the symbol in Undertale. He only said he became friends with her, not that they already knew each other from the past (only acquaintances). Also, why would Sans have a pic of Ralsei, Kris and Susie, when Ralsei isn't even from the light world and Deltarune is about dealing with the issues in the Dark World?
And most importantly
Toby Fox himself said this was an Alternate Universe not related to Undertale.
WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO, he says yes it’s an alternate universe but one that takes place beforehand
@WhirlWind
That. Does. Not. Make. Sense. At. All.
The events in one universe shouldn't have an effect on the events of another, unless they happened at the same time.
There's a difference between the anomaly Sans talked about in Undertale, and the "Butterfly Effect".
@@JameyMcQueen both universe can have the same events
I have a short theory about the soul traits in deltarune
Kris(cyan):They are patient and not easily frustrated.It proves they were calm when they were in prison
Ralsei(green):He is kind and caring for his allies and even helps the king when he was hurt
Susie(purple):Usually no one would think this but susie is actually smart.
She and lancer made the creation that was soon blown up.Before the fight with lancer and susie,susie plans to use kris at the end to get back home from the dark world
This is just my theory :P
Personally I do think it’s somewhat connected to UT; though in a different world. As Chara once said; “Let us delete this pointless world and move on to the next”.
This may be wrong, but you now how when you return to the real world in Deltarune it looks like everything was made up by Kris and Susie, well it is sorta the same with Sans's door. When you go through it You are given the idea that you were just walking on a treadmill and that Sans was pranking you. This would make sense because Sans is a prankster, but what if he was trying to protect Frisk from wandering to another dimension and gave Frisk the idea that he was just walking on a treadmill through his dark room.
The way Toby worded his tweet only states that the two games won't have an impact on the other's story, which I believe he intentionally did as to leave no holes in the possibility of a connection between the stories. Just a little thought, thank you for your time and effort in the community.
0:00 Intro graphics
0:23 Welcome back and Thanks to ...
0:36 What is a Prequel?
0:52 DeltaRune is set in an alternate world
1:20 We Assumed sequel.
1:43 Warped world (not a single reference to the Underground)
2:00 Darkners and Lightners
2:28 Where It Shows itself as a prequel
3:27 Ancient Prophecy
4:13 Chara rips out soul
4:25 Time Travel
4:32 Gaster. His experiment. What is his role?
5:02 Theory of Control and Freedom
5:44 Gaster is somewhere in DeltaRune
6:00 Warning other worlds of Chara?
6:26 Sans. Has some connection. (Gaster blaster). Picture. Don't forget.
7:17 Sheriff Badge. Police Department.
7:44 Sans. Seems credible.
8:25 Nothing you do affect the characters of Undertale.
9:05 No reason to believe it takes place in the future.
9:27 Ripping out the Soul
Fun fact: The Gaster sound that plays near the shelter at the bottom of town isn't just slowed down by 500%. More specifically, it's slowed down by _666%._ This lines up with some of the other references to the devil's number (most of which can only be found via datamining), such as: Deltarune's version number for its Gamemaker data being 6.6.6, the "typer" used for the text for the voice at the beginning of Deltarune is named "666" (The character creator is also called the "Goner Maker"), and to link it with Undertale, the Gaster grey door encounter uses the Fun value of 66, with a 1/10 chance for the door to appear on top of that, and also in Undertale, there's an unused monster ID of #666 named "Gaster" with a bunch of 6's as all of its stats. This can also be tied with the secret text variables found in Undertale datamining named "demon", which appear to contain one half of a conversation from some sort of servant to their master/controller.
Dr. Gaster... might not be the good person some might think he is.
Everyone’s counter argument is that the characters would be older in undertale. They assume monsters age the same as humans.
The one thing that I think was overlooked about this is that in Undertale Asriel is a kid but in Deltarune he's in college
this is still an amazing theory
This is way better quality than any of your previous videos
Here's a theory!
Sans is a darkner (or darkners i dunno) so let's see the proof
1.He never die on screen he goes away
Like other darkner he goes out of screen and don't really turn to dust on screen unlike other moster
2.Sans bleeds
So when you were around choosing a name for your team lancer says that the bucket is for cleaning of the blood. You might think that its because Kris is there so its for Kris but it also might be that Darkner also do bleed
3.You have to tire Sans to win the battle
Heres a good one. You need to tire Sans to "win the battle" just like other darkner. Unlike other monster you need to act or kill them. But you kill sans right?!! si that doesn't count. That bring us to the next point
4.Sans can dodge
Unlike other monster they don't dodge attack but Sans can dodge attack and what else can dodge attack Darkner.
And that's why i think that Sans might be a Darkner
This theory isn't originally mine it was from a youtuber SuperHorrorBro but i write all of this to spread the theory!
Thank you for reading aaand
Have a nice day.
ZakyAi superhorrorbro?
@@funyun3944 yes, thank you
Note:The things work as a game like Undertale suggesting this is Undertale 3
Theory of what happened after Deltarune when the game ended:Deltarune take place in an alternate universe where monsters won the war and Kris is the last human in the world so Toriel and Asgore care for Kris making sure humans don’t go extinct fast forward to the Undertale in this universe Kris has used 7 humans souls of the new humans who exist to seal the monsters in the underground fast forward more and Frisk now falls into the underground and Flowey isn’t there Frisk now finds Toriels house where Toriel is in the kitchen baking pie Asgore is watering plants and Asriel,Chara and 6 other kids are drawing the family welcomes you in and offers you pie (this happens because when Kris used the souls they were fused into him/her just as Asriel did with the souls in the end of true pacifist therefore the monsters were never aware of the humans souls therefore they never knew a way to get out of the underground so they wouldn’t kill children for no reason and Chara wouldn’t have gotten herself killed for Asriel to break the barrier and the six kids are the other kids who fell into the underground) You then leave the household taking a slice of pie as well then you encounter papyrus and sans. Papyrus has made friend with the six other humans who fell and they help him impress undyne so then he becomes a royal guard and sans has opened up a restaurant where he sells his brothers spaghetti and his hot dogs and there is also a school Toriel built with the help of Asgore who is the king of monsters (The skeleton bro’s things happen because in Deltarune they had a shop assuming the shop was successful they used the money from the previous shop to get a restaurant) you then meet Undyne who guards the castle as usual she also deals with minor crimes as well(This happened because in Deltarune she was an officer so she would most likely take on duty’s such as protecting the castle and catching criminals) then you meet Alphys who works as a scientist and a teacher when Toriel can’t work(This happens because she was a teacher in Deltarune and she was seemingly a science teacher so working as a scientist and sometimes has a teacher would be perfect) Mettaton is now just a tv star how has the six humans appear as special guests Mettaton no longer ever had the capability of killing humans as Alphys would have never installed that function because it would have no use for it. You then return to Toriels house and for some reason Asgore is no longer there. Toriel says Alphys discovered the way to break the barrier was to use the six humans souls Asgore desperate to leave the underground and take revenge makes an attempt to kill the human children but they use their souls powers to stop him Asgore informs every monster about this and orders Alphys to add the function of killing humans to Mettaton and Undyne now hunts you down to kill you Papyrus is too now being a royal guard sans decides to sit back and watch this is when the fights happen. The six human children Chara and Asriel all help you when you reach the end the six humans and you use your souls to break the barrier then you must have the final battle with Kris after winning the battle Kris dies
Note:At the beginning before Asgore tells the monsters if you kill Toriel Asgore will attack and Asriel will die in the crossfire if you kill Papyrus sans will be waiting in the judgement hall if you kill Undyne nothing changes but you need to it you want genocide Mettaton will be the same sans will be the same then after you kill Asgore the six human children defend the barrier with Chara after you kill the 7 children you use their souls to break the barrier then you meet Kris who offers to team up with him and kill and monsters even if you say no Kris will still make you after then you can explore and kill monsters who are still alive then you kill Susie Kris dosent like what you’re doing anymore and Kris regretting his decisions he/she resets
When you select "great to see you again"
he will said that we never met him
But look closely to sans eye
*HE WINKS*
I definitely think that the actions will affect the undertale universe and vise versa, but I think it’s an au
For some reason I kind of always had a feeling that Deltarune was a prequel and this definitely clears that out
Deltarune can't be a prequel because sans is in the game. But in undertale, sans and papyrus just " showed up one day" not to mention sans already "befriended" Toriel.
Okay you might have changed my mind about it being a prequel. But you have to remember that in fact in undertale it was taken place in the past aka(dark ages) or something like that and in this game they don't need a hospital to help asriel and to point it out they have one also it shows cars and modern stuff so I believe that this might actually be a sequel and not a sequel but it's just a theroy . A GAME THEROY
But you know that deltarune isn't undertale 2, but another game? Maybe there are undertale characters, but Toby wanted to create different universe. I know there is deltarune legend in undertale, but it's just a easter egg.
So it’s like the first world is an experiment, a failed one.
So Gaster or whoever, learned from their mistakes and tried again.
Unrelated fun fact:
Temmie Chang, the head artist of the game, said when questioned if Chara is evil she replied
"No, they're chill"
Well, that’s a good answer.
Wow wait, Gerson is dead?!,.
this truly is a darker reality than we expected
The statement around 8:40 is correct, and is just about the only thing that hit the nail on the head in this video imo. Deltarune is set in an alternate universe, several years ahead of Undertale (hence all of the characters being older), in a timeline where the war between Humans and Monsters never occurred. That would mean that Undyne would have had no reason to know Alphys, because they’ve never met in this separate timeline. Same goes for all of the other oddities between characters. Gerson, and all of the monsters who had previously “fallen down” (died) in Undertale for Alphys and Gaster to experiment on, actually died in this timeline because Alphys never became the royal scientist.
Note that in the dark world, several NPC’s mention a “knight” that pulled the new Dark Fountain from the earth, restructured the entire foundation of the Darkener’s ruling system, and put Lancer’s father and Rouxles Kaard in power. To quote entry 17 from Undertale’s files; “DARK. DARKER. YET DARKER. THE DARKNESS KEEPS GROWING. THE SHADOWS CUTTING DEEPER. PHOTON READINGS NEGATIVE. THIS NEXT EXPERIMENT SEEMS VERY, VERY INTERESTING... WHAT DO YOU TWO THINK?” So, that knight is either going to be Gaster, or an alternate version of another character (like Ralsei is to Asriel) employed by him. In my opinion, an alternate Undyne or Asgore would make the most sense. Gaster created the Dark World, to experiment on US, as suggested in the opening minutes of the game... or in other words, the Human who has Determination. We aren’t allowed to choose who we are in this world because Gaster made the rules of the world (Rouxles Kaard is an alternate universe version of Gaster who was shattered across space and time, or at least is related to the Mystery Man if they aren’t one in the same) , and there’s not going to be multiple endings (as Toby said in his Q&A statements) because the outcome is always ‘pre-determined’. In later chapters, something is going to happen that leads us, or someone else, to creating the timeline where Undertale takes place. As the Clam Girl NPC says when talking about “Suzy” (note that Asriel was also called Ralsei rather than his original name, so Susie could have had a different spelling in the alternate universe), “In life’s grand scheme, she might be why you came here in the first place.” So, we went into Undertale’s timeline to change something that revolves around Susie, that happens in Deltarune.
A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding, so I'll try clearing it up, assuming I'm not also misunderstanding. Then I'll also add in info I've got afterwards.
This takes place on a separate timeline entirely, thus how Undyne and Alphys don't know each other, Gerson is dead, Toriel and Asgore are divorced, and Asriel is alive, among other things. These could not be possible if in the same timeline as Undertale, as there, Asriel's death split up Asgore and Toriel, Undyne and Alphys already knew each other, and Gerson was alive.
Being a different timeline, all of these are possible. But if you line up the timelines of Deltarune and Undertale, Deltarune would come before Undertale relative to each other. The tie for these parallel worlds, what makes such relevant times possible, is Sans. He is, according to the theory, from the Deltarune timeline. Things happened differently there until the point where he somehow ended up in a different timeline, where the events of Undertale later happened. The timelines are separate and parallel, and Sans crosses between them at some point.
That explanation aside, there's some information that many people seem to be missing or forgetting. First off, another reference to Gaster comes from Seam. Upon defeating Jevil, if you return and talk to him, he has new dialogue that explains his and Jevil's past. Summarized, he says that Jevil was just the court jester until a man came and spoke to him, changing him. What he started saying didn't entirely make sense, but it didn't entirely not make sense either. And he changed Seam's outlook on the world, making it "darker, yet darker". This is a reference to Entry 17, and may also reference Gaster in other ways.
In Undertale, the Delta Rune is does hold the prophecy of the angel who has seen the surface clearing the underground, yes. But when Gerson says this, he also states it was adopted as the emblem of the royal family, and that the symbol is older than written history. The original meaning is forgotten beyond the triangles supposedly representing the monsters. Its connection to the prophecy of the angel is assumed, and the original or true meaning is forgotten. The prophecy came with being sealed, and became associated with the symbol, but the symbol is even older, existing before monsters were sealed
Perhaps the "don't forget" picture is a reference to the song at the end of chapter one
I instantly drew to this conclusion that the Deltarune timeline leads to the creation of the Undertale timeline. Given San's secret room, the missing True Lab entry, teleportation doors, and other small easter eggs, the Deltarune timeline seems to occur at a later time than Undertale, but occurs before the continuity of the Undertale timeline. Even though the game may have one unchangeable ending, it will be story that would further explore the characters in-depth (both new and old) through the calamity that was described
First time I saw Kris rip his soul out I was like YYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it was at 3:00 in the morning
10:34 KRIS IS CHARA
PROOF
THE SHIRT
THE KNIFE
THE RED EYE
MatPat wants a word. It’s an alternate timeline where the war between humans and monsters never happened. Noticed how Sans winks when he says ‘I’ve never met you before.’ He says this whenever he pretends to not know about alternate timelines. Meaning he’s pretending to have never met you in another timeline, when he knows he had. Also, there are two entry 17’s in undertale’s and deltarune’s code. Why would he make entry 17 in deltarune, and make it again in undertale? Also, it doesn’t make sense that sans would keep a picture of a person who a) literally turns them self into a demon and b) is a human. He wants to make minimal contact with humans in undertale; he still hates humans and only grudgingly takes in Frisk because of a promise he made. He wouldn’t want that. Besides, the three faces are definitely sans, papyrus, and Gaster. This could be a picture of his childhood, where you recognize no one in the photo. And who are the only people who we see constantly smiling? Whose images only have smiles? Papyrus. Sans. And Gaster. It says ‘don’t forget’ because Gaster was ripped from the timeline, and sans is the last person who could even potentially remember him. Why would he also have a machine close to it? It’s a time machine. He has that picture so he doesn’t forget Gaster, and so maybe one day he will save him. Also, uhh, Kris only seems to be happy when she rips out her soul. The game theorists have a good explanation on this in there first of a one part theory. The part about Toby saying ‘this game won’t affect the characters of undertale?’ Well, uhh, if it was a prequel, it would shape the characters of undertale. It would make their lives. It would affect them in every way possible. Now, I know you’re going to say; but there is only one ending, how would it change the characters? Well, there is always one timeline we never see; when the player dies. In a world where we chose not to restart or go from a save point. This timeline would change undertale, as this timeline certainly exists. And it happens, anytime when a person never completes the game. But it doesn’t affect undertale if you die in deltarune and don’t go back. If it was a prequel, it would. This argument would debunk all prequels to games, but only very rarely do we see the creator of the game say; ‘it wolnt affect the next game in the story no matter what.’ Also, you see how ‘grillbey’s’ is crossed out on the sign and ‘Sans’s’ is put in its place? Sans can jump between timelines. He knows we can reset even in deltarune. But he still CARES ENOUGH TO RUN A SHOP. Also, if this were a prequel, ‘Sans’s’ would be crossed out and ‘Grillbey’s’ would have paint behind it. It doesn’t; these are clearly the same building, no doubt about it. There are about two trillion more holes I could cover.
The sheriff's badge more likely to exist in Undertale because the person with the gun who was in Undertale. [They also had a poncho which is 2/3 pieces of a typical westerner sheriff's outfit.] A police badge is nice but that doesn't explain why Sans would have it either. When you talk to him he says he just moved there after all. Also none of the options are him choosing to talk about the officer. Aka, there is no real connection between Sans and the officer. In Undertale, the character we assume to be a Sheriff is also the Soul of Justice. Sans and Justice are very similar. So they may have either been friends, were one in the same, or ignited San's reason to be the way he is. So at this point the only thing you have, is a picture to correlate the two in my eyes. This doesn't mean that the possibility with Sans is out the window, it just means Toby would have to write a HUGE amount to make up for it really.
Another issue to point out is that while you are making a direct connection with these characters and are saying he somehow kept items from a different timeline, that he'd have no way or reason to do that without the monsters being trapped underground. For instance, there is no hints that Sans is even a researcher in this game. Without his background in science may of these details would be beyond him. The core's creation is the event that would make your theory plausible and without the underground there was no reason to build it and also no Gaster as a royal scientist to build it. In addition because there was no Core in Deltarune, there is no reason for Gaster to be scattered across time and space or to be hidden from view or not exist in Deltarune's timeline. This means only one thing, that Undertale if it correlated with Deltarune at all, happens before Deltarune.
This can be followed up with the idea that you cannot have a Chara without the events that drove them to the underground and without their death. Their death is not even a thing in Deltarune yet he still is assumingly taking control of Kris's body. How does that work?
Finally you are making assumptions about Sans. If he also an alternate he has no reason to remember the events of something that happened to him. In general 'determination's' ability to reset the time under the mountain also makes no sense and so the only explanation that remotely makes any sense is that the Core's excess magic that isn't contained within it's own mechanisms is the reason why emotions have a huge effect on the things that happen underground in Undertale. If you say emotions have nothing to do with how strong a monster is in Undertale, look at most of the strong ones. Undyne, Sans, Asgore even Toriel starting the game are probably some of the most emotional monsters in the game. Basically San's desire for Justice was the thing that kept him aware of actions between timelines.
Deltarune is probably an alternate timeline with connections to Undertale. The 'when' as far as 'time' is considered is irrelevant. Because say if Chara DID in fact get control of Frisk's soul. What IF they were able to use all the power of their emotions with the core and with determination to recreate or travel to Deltarune's timeline? All the pieces are there including why nobody is aware of the events of Undertale. "But that would make Deltarune the prequel" if the events Chara is traveling to are his past. I am here to say, "Nope there are many key differences." The key differences are. 1. "Chara hates humans, there are no humans besides his vessel in this game." 2. "Gaster and his scientists are still not around. Maybe his core would've still been created if they weren't scattered across time and space.." 3. Chara doesn't have complete control or say of what happens as long as Gaster is around. 4. The Geysers in the Alternate dimension are likely the excess energy from the Core that Chara was unable to make use of.
These differences are important because in this game Chara gets to enjoy the happy ending he wants, a world with no humans except with the fact that he has no control over anything else. Of the lighteners Ralsei says only Kris can control the energy there. This would make sense if determination and emotions were involved but there is none. Susie is also a Lightener which can't she control the energy there? It's because the world was created by Chara. Ralsei is an Anagram of Asriel. Asriel was a part of Chara in Undertale and he knows the truth behind the events here. Ralsei has been waiting alone for the heroes to arrive. But not because Susie is even needed, but because he is waiting for Chara to save him. Susie has no real purpose in the story besides telling you, "What not to do." This may seem like it goes against Chara but what if the energy of creation had Asriel as an interfering force? That would explain why Asriel's soul is not accounted for in Undertale but his body and Chara's soul and body are accounted for.
Basically, this is the world before Undertale but not the TIME before undertale.
Toby: this game isn't a sequel or prequal.
Underlab: *raises eyebrow*
I had a similar idea as a passing thought. That maybe the world from Deltarune is in fact the original timeline. That something bad happened which involved Gaster and resulted in the timeline getting reset. I hope to see the rest of this game later on and learn more at some point.
I actually thought of this before the release of the video
1.undyne doesn’t know alphys
2.deltarune takes place at the surface but there is no way to be a sequel because (just read the first one I don’t want to type it again even though this sentence is longer)
cons:
1.toriel hates asgore
2.gerson died
But since there's no Frisk in this universe, Chara is not dead and doesn't want to destroy the world because they didn't fall underground.
Best theory I heard that it's one of infinite timelines Sans went through.
“‘Deltarune’s’ world is a different one. With different characters, that have lived different lives.”
Speaking of the name delta rune, the nordic rune of the letter d is dagaz, and means day. It also refers to the personification of day, Dagr.
He is the son of personified dawn and personified night or earth (two different interpretations). Has a horse drawn chariot that pulls him across the sky. The horse is called Skinfaxi.
With my thorough research of 2-3 wikipedia articles (genius, I know) I can conclude that our soul in this game is basically the personified day or Sun. Kris or is the horse.
The wagon with the cage is a chariot. In the article it's also said "The sun chariot is drawn by a single horse, and was possibly imagined to be pulled back across the sky west to east by a second horse". The "chara taking over" part could be that "second horse" since it is night time. West to east could be, doing the exact opposite of what we do playing the game, being killing stuff.
Might be a stretch, but Toby was definitely inspired by some Nordic myths for this one.
My interpretation is that Deltarune is indeed an AU, but Sans, Papyrus, and Chara came to the world of Undertale through Deltarune. Chara was transferred to Undertale back when Asriel was alive, and Sans and Papyrus appeared much later, sometime before Frisk fell. Yes, I’m aware of what Toby said: “I will say that basically, what you're seeing here is not the world of UNDERTALE. UNDERTALE's world and ending are the same as however you left them. If everyone was happy in your ending, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy. So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched. To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one. With different characters, that have lived different lives. A whole new story will happen...”
Deltarune is not affected by Undertale, but that doesn’t mean Undertale isn’t affected by Deltarune. Deltarune isn’t simply an AU, it’s an actual dimension. The Undertale characters’ future is unaffected, but that doesn’t mean their past wasn’t affected by Deltarune in any way. Deltarune has its own story, no doubt, but that doesn’t mean there’s no indirect connection.
TL;DR: Deltarune is an alternate universe that exists as a separate dimension, while also transpiring before Undertale due to Sans, Papyrus, and Chara being transferred from Deltarune to Undertale.
It's not a prequel, the graveyard kind of proves that. I'm not saying that it doesn't take place earlier in the overall timeline (though the date is later in Deltarune). My theory on the bunker though, is that it's the entrance to the underground.
my theory is that Delta Rune is Undertale, but in one of many alternate universes. the Undertale fandom was quick to come up with lots of AUs, and I think that DR may be one of said AUs
I have my own theory: This is Frisk's dream, where they have a different set of clothes and everyone has differences. For example, Bratty and Catty now hate each other. Also, there are no humans left except Frisk, who hated their name and removed one letter (F) and switched the places, which spells Kris, because the humans LOST the war in this dream. Then Frisk goes to school and is treated rottenly. Frisk and the school bully, Susie, go to the storage closet to get chalk, but realized it wasn't even close to looking like it. They fall and meet this prince named Raslei, which sounds familiar... then they meet Lancer, the prince of a different kingdom. Frisk (you know what screw this I'm calling Frisk Kris I don't care anymore) and Susie fight Lancer and win. Susie leaves and Kris (yep I finally did it) practices FIGHTing, ACTing, using ITEMS, SPAREing, and DEFENDing. A few hours later, they fight the King and Kris and Susie go back home. Then, while Kris (I'm now calling Kris Frisk again) is sleeping, Chara posses Kris (I meant when I get back to normal, are u dumb? Whatever. Note: It's a joke I assure you guys are smart) and throws Kris' soul into a cage. Chara (in Kris/Frisk's body) now has the power to summon knives. Kris tries to break free but can't and Chara looks at something. Kris turns over and see it's... FRISK WAKES UP! Then Frisk goes back to sleep and that's where everything else starts (Still waiting for part 2 Toby!!)
I think something significant that many people might be missing is that he isnt saying that it's a prequel in the sense of Deltarune's timeline goes on to have frisk falling in the underground. I do think he is saying that Deltarune's universe will give us insight on how Gaster and Chara go through dimensions. The deltarune universe could be a universe that is similar to undertale, and show us how characters like Sans can go from universe to universe. I think Undertale won't change, but Deltarune is simply another universe that may have had Sans in it before ending up in Undertale. Basically, they can be separate universes, the universe-jumping characters can still interact cross universe
if it's related to ut it's a sequel to the genocide ending, as you 'destroy this pointless world and move onto the next'
-chara 20xx
How 2 debunk?
*GAME FILES*
*JPEG FILES*
*RALSEI’S MANUAL JPEG FILES*
*RALSEI’S manual says it was made In 202X*
*Undertale took place in 201X*
It’s weird how kris ask undyn about alphy and say to sans greet to meet you again first i shook it off like a joke but when you learn that kris is possessed or controlled by chara it makes a lot of sense its chara who is talking
I believe it can't be a prequel or a sequel. The reason for this is one: Alphys and Undyne don't know each other meaning it isn't a sequel. Two: Gerson (the turtle merchant in UT) is dead, ruling out that it is a prequel. I believe it is an alternate timeline that Chara traveled to using Frisks soul in the Genocide route. Chara then enters the body of Kris and then finally takes control when he sleeps, ripping his soul out and locking it. Also I believe that Ralsei is not the prince of darkness and is infact the 'Flowey' of this timeline. He claims he is the Prince but has no followers and also tells us to travel to the original fountain and destroy it. He then locks the door to the new fountain meaning no one can get to it. In my theory, Lancer is the true prince of darkness and Ralsei is trying to control the balance of Light and Dark.
Good theory! However I have a few notes that just won't allow me to think its a prequel.
1. Gerson is dead (which you mentioned but didn't expand much on)
2. Asriel is in college (Asriel looked extremely young in undertale, plus he was born in the underground, so there's no way he could have been above ground before the events of undertale)
3. Toriel said she always wanted to be a teacher, not that she was one
4. This ones a tiny bit of a stretch, but I assume the one kid on the middle right side of our classroom is monster kid grown up
I saw a completely different theory with gaster and chara. The only reason we could destroy earth was from are choices. Gaster made a world without choices so it couldn't be destroyed. This was reinforced by the fact that the lack of choices forced a pacifist run, not a genocide run. The ending was caused by being able to make a choice on how to deafeat the king, which let chara in and let him destroy the world.
Maybe the original prophecy was something like “an angel from the light and save the monsters. It will take the, to the light” or so,etching like that. And when they got trapped underground they finally got what it meant