I just watched it and it was very moving. This was a fantastic review and very funny (I have a similar dry sense of humor 😄). I have always been a huge Sia fan and love her music but am so disappointed by how she's handled this whole thing. I don't feel she had any bad intentions with making the film but the way she has responded to the criticism of people who she is claiming to represent is just so disturbing. I have an autistic child in my family & have always had a deep love for autistic children (even before I had one as a family member) and used to volunteer at an after school program for them. I've also written articles about autism for an online magazine I used to write for (it's autism awareness month btw)! The majority of the kids I worked with personally were mostly non-verbal (although I think I heard they changed that to non speaking)? I know Sia claims that she based the movie on a friend's autistic child but I can't help but wonder how much time she's actually spent with him or any other autistic people. I wish she'd maybe volunteered to work with some autistic children herself or spent some time getting to know some of them better before making the film. I feel like it would've been a very different movie if she had 😕
Just watched it; it reminded me of how I truly feel about this scenario! I'm currently working on a music degree in order to set myself up running music based "interventions" for those who don't speak. Awesome to see tbh,..;)
The part where they restrain her makes me wanna cry When I'm in a meltdown my brain goes to fight or flight, my mom says I usually go into flight but when I'm not able to get away or people persist I go I to fight. I literally just wanna be left alone so I can calm down so it's just *àugh*
@@SmoothBrainStuff I'm an autist that can talk, and even THEN that scene makes me sick! Call it the autism protection code in my brain, but that's a recipe for making the stress turn 50-fold, and I HATE seeing my kind oppressed like that.
Does anybody else notice the subtle racism of the Asian character being pulled away in a rickshaw? They also dub the dads lines, which is something you’d typically do in an old kung fu film
Hell, I think the "Asian" character is played by a Latino who happens to have rather narrow eyes. His name is Jose Beto Calvillo. So great, we now have yellowface in addition to blackface accusations.
@@laobokHuh. Well that explains everything. As when I first heard that dude was supposed to be Asian, I got quite confused. He doesn't even remotely look Asian, and his eyes aren't even that slim. It's honestly kinda embarrassing to think about now, especially as an Asian person myself. Passing off some Latino guy as an Asian and then going on to celebrate how much "Asian Representation/Diversity" your movie has. Just so so embarrassing.
Music: Has meltdown, is fine. Me: Has meltdown, sleeps for two days, doesn't want to talk to or see anybody for at least a week. "Research" Ponderful: I'm no Lindsay Ellis. Me: Throw in a couple hundred thousand subs and we'll see.
I thought that was just me! When I was on my depressive episode I had meltdowns after meltdowns, I would sleep constantly despite me having diagnosed insomnia my mind would be awake but my body would shut down. I thought I was so weak for getting exhausted after some meltdown and hated myself for it. I’m glad I’m not the only one that does that though. ^^’
I’m generally fine after I have a meltdown after an hour or two mostly because my brain sort of shuts off when one happens which actually stops me from doing something extreme during the meltdown.
This film is so harmful because of its portrayal of autism. Many autistic people (especially mild forms) are severe pressured to stay quiet about their diagnosis and “act normal.” This portrayal just validates a lot of their decisions to stay quiet about their diagnosis out of fear of it negatively effecting their job or relationships, or out of fear of being treated in a condescending and demeaning way.
I actually want to bring attention to this problem if I ever get cast on RuPaul’s Drag Race. I want to show NTs that we can do amazing things and the autism doesn’t stop me.
Music might be the greatest example I could point out to as "Allybrain" where Sia is championing herself as the ultimate ally to the autism community...without actually putting any thought or consideration to the community she's representing. Like I had heard the plot was bad as Zu is actually the main character and Music herself is more the background plot...but holy crap, I had no idea about the plot involving Felix. Or the Ebo had an autistic brother who died cause in Ghana they view Autism as some kind of curse. This is like a bad after school special about the danger of drugs (not tolerance or anything relevant) that happens to feature musical vignettes. And the more you look at it, the more it feels like a gigantic ego trip. So she makes a movie that features an autistic girl who loves Sia's music, that imagines/performs music videos based on Sia's music, featuring Sia as a character and someone points out Sia's look. And what teaches people a lesson to respect autistic people is to use Sia's music is a conduit and way of communication. And there's so much else to question with Sia's way-to-close relationship with Maddie...how she seemed to have no idea about the history of Autism Speaks or the danger of restrainment. Just...wow. This is a very good video, I do think it's very thorough and a lot more detailed than most other videos that do coverage on the subject.
I've said it on other videos but...how does this movie even take off when Zu doesn't want to take care of Music? Custody isn't an easy thing, you can't just walk in and BAM you're a carer now. It's a LEGAL MATTER. It's decided by a court. Zu isn't Music's biological parent. She doesn't HAVE parental rights or obligations. She's Music's sister and siblings don't get automatic custody. Not even when parent's are dead. A non-parent has to file a petition in court in order to obtain custody. Then they have to prove themselves capable of being able to provide for the child/charge. But Zu DOESN'T WANT to care for Music. She would've been contacted as next of kin but as-again- nonparent she wouldn't have to formally give up custody. Her grandmother writing her a letter or smth doesn't legally bind her either. Because it's not a formal will, she's not given it by a lawyer or anyone like that. This movie doesn't make sense right off the gate.
You've perfectly described, why we can't believe Sia, when she said she's going to remove the restraint scenes. The only way to fix this movie is to scrap it, pull it from cinemas, pull it from digital shops, don't give it to streaming services and don't release it on DVD or Blu Ray.
The early reviews made it clear the movie was problematic due to the uncomfortable portrayal of autism and the glorification of forced restraint. Yet here I am still shocked to discover the racist ickiness and the inherent ableism. Yikes!
yes, i was surprised that i was noticing stuff i hadn't heard people mention yet, but there is just so so much going on in what amounts to a pretty blah film.
Okay, I have a problem with Music singing at the end because she’s nonverbal. It could easily be seen as her needing to overcome a part of her disability in order to be happy.
She actually does speak at times throughout the film, as I pointed out. "Nonverbal" doesn't necessarily mean "literally can't ever talk". And it isn't framed that way or I would have said so. It was framed as Zu realising she's a person, which is just as bad. However the music videos *are* to be seen as her wanting to be less disabled, because in them, she isn't.
Yes. It feels like to me as if they think that Music is no worth at baseline, and is only worthy when she shows a ‘special talent’. That is kind of what Asperger did. Selecting autistics who had special abilities
16:51 from what I’ve heard from autistic folk, the messing up of routine seems to me at least more like salt on the wound. You lose someone incredibly important and for a lot of people, autistic or not, structure is very needed in that time to get through the day, but then you don’t have that structure making it harder to get through. It seems more to me like the things most people rely on are taken away when needed most. Like if my mom died, I’d NEED to be able to get back to my normal day to say just to somewhat function. And I don’t need a caretaker or anything like that. Almost everyone I’ve met is like that. So losing someone important but also a caretaker? And then on top of that no structure? It looks like losing at least 3 separate things. I can’t even imagine that **much** loss in one sitting.
Great video! Glad you watched that mess instead of me! Jk, but in all seriousness, some of that plot synopsis was hard to watch. Especially because of how Sia treated the pushback online, I just don't think she really "earned" the trust necessary to make a respectful Autism/Alcoholism/AIDS/Dead Kid movie. Woof.
about 15 years ago I was taught a safety restraint by a therapist (I can not speak to whether its still a used technique) for a child I was caring for. It was a sitting restraint, and no I'm not describing it, these things should only ever be taught by professionals, and even WAY back them I was told over and over, never use it unless the child or others where in Direct Immediate danger, not things only people, and NEVER restrain anyone in a prone position. Any one doing research on any such thing would have most definitely found those warning, which means Sia had already decided how she wanted the scene to go and be dammed if any reality was going to get in the way.
They really just made her not speaking just to use her as a prop. I feel bad for Maddie, for some reason i feel that her God mom (sia) see her as a tool for her music than actual person. The whole movie makes feel depressed 😞
@@Ember_Green Yes you were ahah ! I'm back to check the video again, wondering which review to send to friends asking, and yours is still the best out there to me. I try not to visit your channel too often though, because I inevitably end up spending all day rewatching each and every video ^^
the amount of times that nt people end up doing drastically high amounts of harm while claiming they were trying to help is irritating as hell. im so sick of it
I really enjoy watching reviews of this, cause dang, it's bad. And it feels kind of good to see that our community can speak out on social media and that Sia gets what she had coming.
Music was such a good representation of autism, Autism Speaks themselves distanced themselves from it. I think that should be on the DVD. This film is too shit for even Autism Speaks to put their name on.
@@NoxAtlas I'm sure they really got behind the dangerous restraining, offensive othering, and the idea of locking us away in institutions so our NT relatives can be "free," but I suspect the idea that the girl's "inner world" was all happy and colourful was probably the deal-breaker. I mean, they can't have the people they want to sterilize/lobotomize portrayed as anything other than depressingly miserable, right?
Great vid, as per usual! The only part of the film I saw was the "restraint" (more like outright abuse) scenes and thought it was appalling to portray this as a good thing. As a support worker who's trained in restraints, it's known that they're an absolute last resort after all other deescalation's been tried, and should be the least restrictive possible for the shortest time possible, and only if the person is in immediate danger of harming themselves or others - you'd think in 3 years of research on a film where restraint is a part of the plot, she'd have stumbled upon that fact. Thanks for the links!!
@@Ember_Green yep, it baffles me that it could be considered acceptable (and loving?!) to pin someone face down w/arms held behind their back for crying and tapping their head :( Just watched Listen, it's brilliant, exactly what's needed!
Restraint like that by a man you don’t know would be terrifying. I like deep pressure therapy and weighted blankets but that random man pinning you down is scary especially considering the hugely high rates of sexual violence autistic women face
absolutely, this is how you know sia knows absolutely nothing about the autistic community and it's frankly laughable to think she did 3-4 years of research. meltdowns are already very stressful and overwhelming, having some man you don't know as an autistic woman or girl pin you down and also keeping you from doing any kind of stimming to try and regulate as much as you can, would be terrifying and extremely distressing. Portraying a random man forcibly restraining an autistic girl and saying "I'm crushing her with my love" is actually so ridiculously tone deaf and ignorantly unaware especially considering the extremely high rates of sexual abuse against females (for lack of better term) with autism.
Great (=important) video, thanks! While watching your video, I had to google "sia music overbite". I was surprised to find (=sarcasm) that you did not cherry pick scenes where Maddie Ziegler showed off "a very authentic autistic overbite". Looks like Sia watched Gilbert Grape as part of her 3-year curriculum ...
Honestly this disgusting movie is such a bad representation, I had not even watched the trailer yet, just seen pictures of the bizarre grimaces the actress did, and I felt self-conscious if I emote like this too, if I look this gross and silly too, for DAYS
Something Tee Noir said about being an ally really stuck to me. I paraphrase but basically that the people who's ally you try to be, get to decide if you are actually being an ally or not. She said that about whites wanting to be allies to black people. It makes sense to me as a member of the LGBTQ community regarding straight and/or cis allies. And I think Sia should learn that about autistic people.
This was such a good video! I've watched a lot of autistic creators analyse this terrible movie but you managed to bring new interesting details and points of analysis to the table that deepened my understanding further. Thank you for that!
I resent NT's who believe autistic people have no rich inner life. My inner life is a gaudy, trite music video just like everyone else's. harumph! /s Great video, great channel. Very excited to see more of your stuff. As a fellow skeptic, leftist, autistic person who is planning out a youtube channel, I have a vested interest in the success of this niche lol so I find the channel quite inspiring
I just found out I am autistic a few months ago. I didn't know autism speaks was controversial, but I did think their website was highly priblematic and honestly kind of triggering in how disfunctional it was and how frustrated I felt trying to use it. I did also notice and feel uncomfortable that they have links to aba therapy. Is there a different organization that helps people with autism?
Why are they making this girl do the impression that KINDERGARTNERS make to be just shit and demeaning?! 😭🤨😠 I loved sia's albums so much and there's no way i can listen to them now. Not even as like a protest, but like physically I don't think I can click on her songs again
I don't know how old Music was supposed to be but Maddie was 12 almost 13 when the movie was announced with Maddie attached and Maddie was 14 when it was filmed.
If this was about cancer-survivors and most or all actual cancer survivors* hate it, you need to reshoot it with a consultation from several of them. [*Not the parents of cancer survivors]
I (neurotypical so take this with a grain of salt) feel like they could have had a scene with restraint if they showed how bad and dangerous it is in order to teach the audience. Like maybe Zu uses it out of instinct or because that´s what she knows from the media and then Ebo intervenes, helps Music and explains why restraint is bad. Or maybe it´s the other way around, with Ebo and Zu already dating, him not having experience with autism (and therefore no longer being a magical black person trope) and Zu educating him. So then you have one meltdown with horrible consequences, maybe Music withdrawing from everyone but Felix, maybe her landing in the hospital because of the physical injuries and one later (maybe when she learns of Felix´ death) where through grown understanding proper steps are taken, she is safe and the aftermath is more like how it usually is. Maybe zooming out from her sleeping to show Zu looking at her lovingly, film over.
Significantly better story than what was turned into that disgrace of a film. Also, as an autistic person, restraining scenes are completely fine to have so long as they're not presented as a good thing.
Or have Ebo do it and go for a more complicated view on Ebo and autistic acceptance. Hes from a culture where knowledge is low, and hes doing his best, but hes almost certainly got some bad practices. Much better than the current plot that all but says "look at what those savages did, not like Ebo, hes a good one". Make it more about access and opportunity to learn with people doing their best with what they have. Hell, it would even make it a better romance story if we want to keep the focus on those two. Start out eith her idolising Ebo as someone who can teach her how to be a carer, and Ebo feeling like he can't be vulnerable about his own difficulties with being a carer, and then progress to both realising they're both flawed and trying their best and seeking out additional reasources to help themselves and one another. Much more compelling romance arc than just "they were kinda near each other". Also don't fridge Ebo's sibling. Why was that done?!
for me, I'd rather see a low supports need autistic actor portray a high supports need autistic actor than an allistic actor do whatever the fuck maddie decided to do in that film.
While this movie was absolutely terrible, it did shine a light on how borderline abusive pretty much *every* adult in Maddie's life has been. Sia is creepily obsessed with her and it seems like she never gets much say in what she gets to do... Maddie apparently didn't want to play an autistic character. Honestly, Music seems like a pretty good representation of how Adults (especially Sia) see and treat Maddie...
I’ve never held Maddie accountable for this dumpster fire due to her age at the time of filming and how she had very little say in anything involving her career. Kate Hudson on the other hand is so much better than this.Her mom is Goldie Hawn and is Hollywood royalty with her Oscar win and Kate has been set for life and her career wasn’t suffering when she agreed to be a part of Music.
When i first heard about the sia cameo. I assumed it was meant to be a little self depricating joke. Like im going to write myself in, but im going to be an absolute asshole who buys pain killers to get high on my private jet. I expected too much out of her.
Thank you for saving me the effort of watching this "film" Having experienced restraint over a number of years for various reasons, those scenes would likely have been deeply unpleasant to even view. Just about to watch the linked film now!! Had you not mentioned at the beginning and end, I'd have had no idea it was your first time!!! Also, it seemed significantly kinder to Sia tan the other review I've watched by an Actually Autistic person!!!
So incredibly demoralizing how this gets funding but its so hard to get our own stories told, and its so rare to ever see ourselves in movies, games and books. In a better world this ableist mess would have ruined Sia and everybody involveds career forever, but also I know that neurotypicals don't care about us at all. The only shows I ever saw, in my nearly 30 years, that explicitly portrayed someone like me in an accurate way, were the She-Ra reboot with Entrapta (and even here there are some incredibly ableist scenes being shown as oh so cute and funny, and parts of the crew was very gross and ableist on twitter and riled the fandom up against disabled fans), and Dead End Paranormal with Norma, and then two books written by actually autistic queer people, the Star Trek like space opera Failure to Communicate by Kaia Sonderby with Xandri, and the dystopia An Unkindness of Ghosts by Rivers Solomon with Aster.
where did i say it was odd to be friends without talking? if you're referring to what i said about Felix & Music - I said "interacting". Many ways to interact without talking.
As a maybe autistic person, and without watching this video yet, I have an infinite hate for exaggerate expressions and faces, just the miniature of that video makes me wanna explode, and WON'T talk about their expressions in the video fucking god
I have a LOT to say about this film, but I will try to keep it more brief. The main point of it all is that, this film is not about Autism, it is about a girl with intellectual disability in need of pretty high level care so that she can live a comfortable quality of life. She happens to have also have autism, but it is absolutely not the main part of it and by saying that it is people erroneously relate the two as a common occurrence. 31% of children with Autism also have intellectual disability. That's not half, it's not even a quarter. Her struggle is intellectual disability, because Music would be a person who can not take care of themselves by themselves. There are plenty of autists who can absolutely function, so claiming that it's autism from the get go is wrong. And by equating the two as the same, you damage both people with intellectual disability and those on the spectrum from getting whatever aid they may require or is useful to them. She should of been immediately differed and on a list of people who are in need of care to maintain their quality of life and safety the moment it was discovered that her primary care taker passed away. The movie doesn't give a damn about Music and her well being. That's the sick part. There is no thought that a young girl with disabilities and autistic related struggles is in need of various tools and lifestyle structures that help her live her life to the fullest. Beyond that, it focuses on what I call "Unicorn syndrome" in that if you are deviant (from a non-emotionally charged point of view, but deviant as in, you are in a minority, not deviant as in bad, divergent) or otherwise different, you must have a beautiful perfect little world you live in, especially if you are too "stupid" to be aware or look like you're unaware. You're not allowed to be a person with struggles, thoughts feelings and flaws if you are anywhere near what people consider disabled. You're the underdog. The champion who is there to be a poster child to inspire everyone else that if you can make it, they can too. You're not a person. You're a prop to make others feel better about themselves and a convenient way for them to ignore when you're actually suffering, because you can't suffer, you're the special perfect unicorn, the secret genius. The world can't be cruel and unfair even though we routinely acknowledge it, because that would mean we as a society have responsibility to make lives better for those who sometimes get short ends of the stick. No, you're the underdog, you have to be the balance and succeeding because otherwise that calls into question a lot about society and how we think about others, especially when it comes to misfortune and strife. It's disgusting. It's insanely damaging and it taps into something another overarching societal fallacy that I call the underdog: kick the dog. People love tales of people winning against all odds, they don't like the reality that there are more losers than winners, because it indicates to them that one day, they are very likely to be a loser. It also points out that we don't spend enough resources engaging in empathy, human rights and humane treatment towards others who otherwise might need a little or a lot of help living decent quality of life and often even longevity. There are no humans when it comes to a variety of disabilities, divergencies or deviations. No, it's monsters, "retards" and special needs. You're not allowed to both have some form of disability, struggle with it, but also be a person with thoughts, dreams, hopes, fears, insecurities and insights to the world around you. Because shocker, if you were seen as a human being, then you have to be treated as one. We can't afford that. Either economically or socially. This was a bit dark, but I'm mostly venting how Music makes me feel and how I interpret it as a much wider problem overall in regards to misfortune, struggle or just divergency in others that we see in society. We are slowly getting better. But there is a fundamental core of people not wanting to admit that sometimes "life isn't fair" and to have the courage to continue that sentence and say "so let's make it as fair as possible for as many as possible."
Had Sia cast Shia as the male equivalent to Zu, it would've been for the same reason she ultimate casted maddie and made no attempt to cast an actually autistic person (Despite what she told everyone) Nepotism (The act of giving preferential treatment to friends by giving them jobs and responsibilities) . Like Maddie, Shia Labeouf appeared in one of Sia's many music videos and has worked with the singer. However, unlike Maddie, Shia does have at least one acting credit to his name. the casting of Hudson was most likely done so that 14 year old Maddie felt comfortable on set.
Kate Hudson should have known what a disaster this movie was going to be. She is so much better than this and the fact her mom is Goldie Hawn makes her involvement even worse. Goldie has told Kate not to accept roles that would harm her career and reputation before. Kate is basically Hollywood royalty. She wasn’t so desperate for money that she accepted the role just to buy some groceries. Kate deserves blame for making Music even worse than it already was.
omg it just hit me, if she really wanted to make her inner world all sia like...why not have sia be her special interest, would atleast make a bit more sense.
Considering how it's pretty clear she didn't do much research, I wouldn't be surprised if Sia didn't even know that special interests could be that specific.
Me, seeing this thumbnail: oh dear gods, what have the Liberals messed up this time? Me in the middle of this video: . . . holy hell, Autism Speaks is a Pandemic that must be stopped.
@@elektra121 I just re watched this video to try and work out what you were talking about, the person who made this video is saying the word ableist in her accent and is the way that I would expect to hear it. I'm sorry that you aren't used to hearing this accent (I'm not from the UK so can't tell you which part of England it is from), that doesn't mean that she has mispronounced the word.
Only beaten by Velma MUSIC is the only movie I can think of the top of my head that afends just about everyone, Like dam I'm mad as someone who is on the spectrum and South Australian(Because Sia is south Australian too) But also impressed by the stupidity by almost everyone involved thinking Oh yeah easy Osscars bait😅🤣
@@Ember_Green - Thank you. I’ve just watched it. I thought Kate Hudson acted well. I’ve never seen her act before, thought she’d probably be the typical child of famous actors - that is, spoilt and talentless. But she surprised me with her skills. Imo she craftily brought some credibility and humour to the unbelievable character of Zu
Just out of interest if anyone knows this: When an autistic person is nonverbal is it an aversion to speaking itself or what is the root of that exactly? Would be interested to know.
let me ask, if buying property in Costa Rica is "colonialism", does that same rule apply for my Arab neighbor here where I live in Norway? or does it just apply to white Europeans?....
she definitely didn't try hard enough. had autistic people not kicked up a fuss on Twitter, she would never have known that she was promoting potentially deadly practices as good & cool, let alone apologized.
Since when any community should feel entitled to tell creators what to include and exclude from their vision? When did movies become an exact description of reality?... I saw this film yesterday and I had a nice experience. To me, any Sia's personal storyline had like zero relevance in it. Everyone will get something else from it, we can give them freedom to see the film in any way they want to see it. There's a lot of redundant hate around the movie and too many people are projecting their own issues to it...
“We can give them freedom to see the film in any way they want to see it.” - then take your own advice & stop complaining about what I have to say about it 😌
Sia has EDS. It’s heavily associated with autism and is even one cause of autism because it is a genetic collagen mutation that structures the brain differently, aka not neurotypical. There is a very good possibility that Sia is high functioning and on the autism spectrum. I personally have both. EDS effects anything with collagen so, everything in your body. EDS leaves you prone to organ ruptures, joint dislocations, lack of oxygen to the brain, ataxia, tachycardia, gastroperesis, brain aneurism, sudden death and so much more. EDS is an invisible disability and we go through life being confronted for stuff like this, being called weird, freaks. liar, faker, attention seeking etc. and that is exactly what is going on here. EDS gives us thick stretchy skin and an elastic heart that stretches to the point it snaps and bursts. And another one bites the dust. The reverse ableism thrown at Sia is astounding and I think you owe Sia an apology. Sia owes no apology. EDS is one of the most excruciating disorders around when things break down and it’s deadly. Sia is not as able as you might think, and is much closer to the autistic community than you might think too.
I know what EDS is as I am being screened for it currently (hEDS). It does not give you any insight into autism & many autistic people with EDS also hate this movie. Sia apologised & disappeared for a reason. She knows she messed up.
Having one disability doesn't mean you can't be ableist to members of another disabled community. And "Music" is definitely harmful to the Autistic Community, and if she had done any substantial research or consulted with Autistic people several of the issues in the film would have been identified early enough for it to have been changed to better represent the community.
Lol having a connective tissue disorder = basically the same as being autistic. Guess we can also diagnose Sia with ADHD, OCD, PoTS, insomnia, sleep apneas, MCAS, fibromyalgia, hardness of hearing (EDS is associated with a few different hearing issues, I guess Sia has all of them), chronic fatigue, Apraxia (really impressed she can sing so well with that one), IEED, Arthritis, Incontinence, Raynaud's Syndrome, Livedo Reticularis, club feet, Interstitial cystitis, PCOS, Endometriosis, GERD, ganglionic cysts, celiac, scoliosis, receding gums, crohns, the list goes on. Claiming she has autism because she has a disorder that commonly comorbids with autism is silly. Its hard to find numbers on what % of people with EDS have autism, but we're damn sure that its not 100%. Critising a disabled person isnt ableist. Saying you cant ever critise a disabled person is abelist. It implies that Sia isnt a fully actuallised human with autonomy if you say that because she has EDS she cant be held responsible for her actions.
I'm sorry, who are you to talk about this? Seriously, just because she has a possibly related disorder doesn't make this okay. She promotes potentially lethal restrain. She SHOULD be held accountable for this, just like how you should be held accountable for your comment.
Don't forget to go and watch the short film linked in the description!
I just watched it and it was very moving. This was a fantastic review and very funny (I have a similar dry sense of humor 😄). I have always been a huge Sia fan and love her music but am so disappointed by how she's handled this whole thing. I don't feel she had any bad intentions with making the film but the way she has responded to the criticism of people who she is claiming to represent is just so disturbing. I have an autistic child in my family & have always had a deep love for autistic children (even before I had one as a family member) and used to volunteer at an after school program for them. I've also written articles about autism for an online magazine I used to write for (it's autism awareness month btw)! The majority of the kids I worked with personally were mostly non-verbal (although I think I heard they changed that to non speaking)? I know Sia claims that she based the movie on a friend's autistic child but I can't help but wonder how much time she's actually spent with him or any other autistic people. I wish she'd maybe volunteered to work with some autistic children herself or spent some time getting to know some of them better before making the film. I feel like it would've been a very different movie if she had 😕
Thank you for the link!
Just watched it; it reminded me of how I truly feel about this scenario! I'm currently working on a music degree in order to set myself up running music based "interventions" for those who don't speak. Awesome to see tbh,..;)
I hate this idea that "there’s a person in there". As if a human being isn’t automatically a person.
The part where they restrain her makes me wanna cry
When I'm in a meltdown my brain goes to fight or flight, my mom says I usually go into flight but when I'm not able to get away or people persist I go I to fight. I literally just wanna be left alone so I can calm down so it's just *àugh*
Love the pfp (I'm deeply fixating on rottmnt lol)
And it's the guy who supposedly knows how to "look after" her who advocates restraining... Uh-huh, fail.
When I have a meltdown, I can actually feel my brain shutting down to prevent myself from doing something extreme as a result of it.
It doesn’t make me Cry.
It makes me angry
@@SmoothBrainStuff I'm an autist that can talk, and even THEN that scene makes me sick! Call it the autism protection code in my brain, but that's a recipe for making the stress turn 50-fold, and I HATE seeing my kind oppressed like that.
Does anybody else notice the subtle racism of the Asian character being pulled away in a rickshaw? They also dub the dads lines, which is something you’d typically do in an old kung fu film
Hell, I think the "Asian" character is played by a Latino who happens to have rather narrow eyes. His name is Jose Beto Calvillo. So great, we now have yellowface in addition to blackface accusations.
@@laobokHuh. Well that explains everything. As when I first heard that dude was supposed to be Asian, I got quite confused. He doesn't even remotely look Asian, and his eyes aren't even that slim. It's honestly kinda embarrassing to think about now, especially as an Asian person myself. Passing off some Latino guy as an Asian and then going on to celebrate how much "Asian Representation/Diversity" your movie has. Just so so embarrassing.
Music: Has meltdown, is fine.
Me: Has meltdown, sleeps for two days, doesn't want to talk to or see anybody for at least a week.
"Research"
Ponderful: I'm no Lindsay Ellis.
Me: Throw in a couple hundred thousand subs and we'll see.
☺ thank you!
I thought that was just me! When I was on my depressive episode I had meltdowns after meltdowns, I would sleep constantly despite me having diagnosed insomnia my mind would be awake but my body would shut down. I thought I was so weak for getting exhausted after some meltdown and hated myself for it. I’m glad I’m not the only one that does that though. ^^’
A Big Lipped Alligator Moment!
@@Ember_Greengiven how that went for poor Lindsey hopefully not.
I’m generally fine after I have a meltdown after an hour or two mostly because my brain sort of shuts off when one happens which actually stops me from doing something extreme during the meltdown.
This film is so harmful because of its portrayal of autism. Many autistic people (especially mild forms) are severe pressured to stay quiet about their diagnosis and “act normal.” This portrayal just validates a lot of their decisions to stay quiet about their diagnosis out of fear of it negatively effecting their job or relationships, or out of fear of being treated in a condescending and demeaning way.
I actually want to bring attention to this problem if I ever get cast on RuPaul’s Drag Race. I want to show NTs that we can do amazing things and the autism doesn’t stop me.
Music might be the greatest example I could point out to as "Allybrain" where Sia is championing herself as the ultimate ally to the autism community...without actually putting any thought or consideration to the community she's representing.
Like I had heard the plot was bad as Zu is actually the main character and Music herself is more the background plot...but holy crap, I had no idea about the plot involving Felix. Or the Ebo had an autistic brother who died cause in Ghana they view Autism as some kind of curse. This is like a bad after school special about the danger of drugs (not tolerance or anything relevant) that happens to feature musical vignettes. And the more you look at it, the more it feels like a gigantic ego trip.
So she makes a movie that features an autistic girl who loves Sia's music, that imagines/performs music videos based on Sia's music, featuring Sia as a character and someone points out Sia's look. And what teaches people a lesson to respect autistic people is to use Sia's music is a conduit and way of communication. And there's so much else to question with Sia's way-to-close relationship with Maddie...how she seemed to have no idea about the history of Autism Speaks or the danger of restrainment.
Just...wow. This is a very good video, I do think it's very thorough and a lot more detailed than most other videos that do coverage on the subject.
thank you!
I've said it on other videos but...how does this movie even take off when Zu doesn't want to take care of Music? Custody isn't an easy thing, you can't just walk in and BAM you're a carer now. It's a LEGAL MATTER. It's decided by a court. Zu isn't Music's biological parent. She doesn't HAVE parental rights or obligations. She's Music's sister and siblings don't get automatic custody. Not even when parent's are dead. A non-parent has to file a petition in court in order to obtain custody. Then they have to prove themselves capable of being able to provide for the child/charge. But Zu DOESN'T WANT to care for Music. She would've been contacted as next of kin but as-again- nonparent she wouldn't have to formally give up custody. Her grandmother writing her a letter or smth doesn't legally bind her either. Because it's not a formal will, she's not given it by a lawyer or anyone like that. This movie doesn't make sense right off the gate.
You've perfectly described, why we can't believe Sia, when she said she's going to remove the restraint scenes.
The only way to fix this movie is to scrap it, pull it from cinemas, pull it from digital shops, don't give it to streaming services and don't release it on DVD or Blu Ray.
The early reviews made it clear the movie was problematic due to the uncomfortable portrayal of autism and the glorification of forced restraint. Yet here I am still shocked to discover the racist ickiness and the inherent ableism. Yikes!
yes, i was surprised that i was noticing stuff i hadn't heard people mention yet, but there is just so so much going on in what amounts to a pretty blah film.
Oh I had a professor say ‘Specially abled’ in a lecture as a disabled guy and was fit to fight hearing it
Okay, I have a problem with Music singing at the end because she’s nonverbal. It could easily be seen as her needing to overcome a part of her disability in order to be happy.
She actually does speak at times throughout the film, as I pointed out. "Nonverbal" doesn't necessarily mean "literally can't ever talk". And it isn't framed that way or I would have said so. It was framed as Zu realising she's a person, which is just as bad.
However the music videos *are* to be seen as her wanting to be less disabled, because in them, she isn't.
Yes. It feels like to me as if they think that Music is no worth at baseline, and is only worthy when she shows a ‘special talent’. That is kind of what Asperger did. Selecting autistics who had special abilities
16:51 from what I’ve heard from autistic folk, the messing up of routine seems to me at least more like salt on the wound. You lose someone incredibly important and for a lot of people, autistic or not, structure is very needed in that time to get through the day, but then you don’t have that structure making it harder to get through. It seems more to me like the things most people rely on are taken away when needed most.
Like if my mom died, I’d NEED to be able to get back to my normal day to say just to somewhat function. And I don’t need a caretaker or anything like that. Almost everyone I’ve met is like that. So losing someone important but also a caretaker? And then on top of that no structure? It looks like losing at least 3 separate things. I can’t even imagine that **much** loss in one sitting.
As an austistic folk your about right
The tagline of this movie should be "Music: At least it isn't Cuties."
literally all it has going for it
Great comment
Honestly both movies are horrible cuties is glorifying cp and music is horrible for representing autistic people
@@cyanstar9161You mean misrepresenting right.
Proper representation is good, but this ain’t it, chief.
@@HydraSpectre1138 that's right
Ebo is also kinda racist. He follows a trope known as "the magical negro" so as a black, autistic person, this film is very offensive
Great video! Glad you watched that mess instead of me! Jk, but in all seriousness, some of that plot synopsis was hard to watch. Especially because of how Sia treated the pushback online, I just don't think she really "earned" the trust necessary to make a respectful Autism/Alcoholism/AIDS/Dead Kid movie. Woof.
about 15 years ago I was taught a safety restraint by a therapist (I can not speak to whether its still a used technique) for a child I was caring for. It was a sitting restraint, and no I'm not describing it, these things should only ever be taught by professionals, and even WAY back them I was told over and over, never use it unless the child or others where in Direct Immediate danger, not things only people, and NEVER restrain anyone in a prone position. Any one doing research on any such thing would have most definitely found those warning, which means Sia had already decided how she wanted the scene to go and be dammed if any reality was going to get in the way.
The film is beyond dangerous, it’s downright damaging. A slap in the face to us in the autistic community
They really just made her not speaking just to use her as a prop. I feel bad for Maddie, for some reason i feel that her God mom (sia) see her as a tool for her music than actual person. The whole movie makes feel depressed 😞
That's the best review I've seen about Music, and I've seen a lot!
wow - thank you so much! i was worried there would be no more to add, but unfortunately I was wrong!
@@Ember_Green Yes you were ahah ! I'm back to check the video again, wondering which review to send to friends asking, and yours is still the best out there to me. I try not to visit your channel too often though, because I inevitably end up spending all day rewatching each and every video ^^
Musical Hell also gave a good review of Music and Diva didn’t go easy on it either. The unfortunate thing is that this movie broke her and her system.
the amount of times that nt people end up doing drastically high amounts of harm while claiming they were trying to help is irritating as hell. im so sick of it
I really enjoy watching reviews of this, cause dang, it's bad. And it feels kind of good to see that our community can speak out on social media and that Sia gets what she had coming.
Music was such a good representation of autism, Autism Speaks themselves distanced themselves from it. I think that should be on the DVD. This film is too shit for even Autism Speaks to put their name on.
Wow...that's just tragic, really.
You know you screwed up when the largest autism hate group in the world doesn't want to associate with you 😂
@@NoxAtlas I'm sure they really got behind the dangerous restraining, offensive othering, and the idea of locking us away in institutions so our NT relatives can be "free," but I suspect the idea that the girl's "inner world" was all happy and colourful was probably the deal-breaker.
I mean, they can't have the people they want to sterilize/lobotomize portrayed as anything other than depressingly miserable, right?
When even Autism Speaks is offended by what you’ve done, you *know* that you’ve screwed up biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig time!
1:20 I just saw how Music moves in the opening music video and physically recoiled. Wtf is this twitching?!
Excellent work on this one, would be great to get your insight on other depictions of autism in movies if your planning on doing more like this :)
Thanks dude - definitely going to do more like this! It was hard work but worth it 😊
@@Ember_Green PLEASE talk about Mary and Max. It's one of the best representations of autism on film (mostly because it's based on a true story)
Great vid, as per usual! The only part of the film I saw was the "restraint" (more like outright abuse) scenes and thought it was appalling to portray this as a good thing. As a support worker who's trained in restraints, it's known that they're an absolute last resort after all other deescalation's been tried, and should be the least restrictive possible for the shortest time possible, and only if the person is in immediate danger of harming themselves or others - you'd think in 3 years of research on a film where restraint is a part of the plot, she'd have stumbled upon that fact.
Thanks for the links!!
yes, it was definitely Plan A & there was no Plan B :(
thanks for clicking the links!
@@Ember_Green yep, it baffles me that it could be considered acceptable (and loving?!) to pin someone face down w/arms held behind their back for crying and tapping their head :(
Just watched Listen, it's brilliant, exactly what's needed!
Restraint like that by a man you don’t know would be terrifying. I like deep pressure therapy and weighted blankets but that random man pinning you down is scary especially considering the hugely high rates of sexual violence autistic women face
absolutely, this is how you know sia knows absolutely nothing about the autistic community and it's frankly laughable to think she did 3-4 years of research. meltdowns are already very stressful and overwhelming, having some man you don't know as an autistic woman or girl pin you down and also keeping you from doing any kind of stimming to try and regulate as much as you can, would be terrifying and extremely distressing. Portraying a random man forcibly restraining an autistic girl and saying "I'm crushing her with my love" is actually so ridiculously tone deaf and ignorantly unaware especially considering the extremely high rates of sexual abuse against females (for lack of better term) with autism.
Thank you for sharing the link to Listen. Just watched it and the difference between it and the trailer for Music is... stark.
Great (=important) video, thanks!
While watching your video, I had to google "sia music overbite". I was surprised to find (=sarcasm) that you did not cherry pick scenes where Maddie Ziegler showed off "a very authentic autistic overbite". Looks like Sia watched Gilbert Grape as part of her 3-year curriculum ...
Honestly this disgusting movie is such a bad representation, I had not even watched the trailer yet, just seen pictures of the bizarre grimaces the actress did, and I felt self-conscious if I emote like this too, if I look this gross and silly too, for DAYS
It can't be said enough how solidly put together your words were here. Great video.
thank you!
Something Tee Noir said about being an ally really stuck to me. I paraphrase but basically that the people who's ally you try to be, get to decide if you are actually being an ally or not.
She said that about whites wanting to be allies to black people.
It makes sense to me as a member of the LGBTQ community regarding straight and/or cis allies.
And I think Sia should learn that about autistic people.
I'm 8 seconds in and your voice is so calming ???
This was such a good video! I've watched a lot of autistic creators analyse this terrible movie but you managed to bring new interesting details and points of analysis to the table that deepened my understanding further. Thank you for that!
Thank you!
I resent NT's who believe autistic people have no rich inner life. My inner life is a gaudy, trite music video just like everyone else's. harumph! /s
Great video, great channel. Very excited to see more of your stuff. As a fellow skeptic, leftist, autistic person who is planning out a youtube channel, I have a vested interest in the success of this niche lol so I find the channel quite inspiring
thank you so much!
good luck with your channel - it's definitely a niche worth pursuing! :D
@@Ember_Green thanks! agreed ^_^
I just found out I am autistic a few months ago. I didn't know autism speaks was controversial, but I did think their website was highly priblematic and honestly kind of triggering in how disfunctional it was and how frustrated I felt trying to use it. I did also notice and feel uncomfortable that they have links to aba therapy. Is there a different organization that helps people with autism?
The Autistic self advocacy network.
I'm so glad I watched your summary if this movie, and not the movie itself.
Would love to see the follow up rants and such, even if it isn't very organized.
Why are they making this girl do the impression that KINDERGARTNERS make to be just shit and demeaning?! 😭🤨😠 I loved sia's albums so much and there's no way i can listen to them now. Not even as like a protest, but like physically I don't think I can click on her songs again
Same I always skip her songs now after this, especially considering her Twitter tantrum
I don't know how old Music was supposed to be but Maddie was 12 almost 13 when the movie was announced with Maddie attached and Maddie was 14 when it was filmed.
Is that characters name really "Abbo"?
Thats a slur based on "Aboriginal" in Australia. Yikes
it's Ebo
@@Ember_Green oh good. very good
The smiling at the flashing lights thing was so annoying like Autistic people also know what police are
If this was about cancer-survivors and most or all actual cancer survivors* hate it, you need to reshoot it with a consultation from several of them. [*Not the parents of cancer survivors]
I (neurotypical so take this with a grain of salt) feel like they could have had a scene with restraint if they showed how bad and dangerous it is in order to teach the audience.
Like maybe Zu uses it out of instinct or because that´s what she knows from the media and then Ebo intervenes, helps Music and explains why restraint is bad.
Or maybe it´s the other way around, with Ebo and Zu already dating, him not having experience with autism (and therefore no longer being a magical black person trope) and Zu educating him.
So then you have one meltdown with horrible consequences, maybe Music withdrawing from everyone but Felix, maybe her landing in the hospital because of the physical injuries and one later (maybe when she learns of Felix´ death) where through grown understanding proper steps are taken, she is safe and the aftermath is more like how it usually is. Maybe zooming out from her sleeping to show Zu looking at her lovingly, film over.
Significantly better story than what was turned into that disgrace of a film. Also, as an autistic person, restraining scenes are completely fine to have so long as they're not presented as a good thing.
I'm actually Autistic and yeah me and other people wouldn't be as critical of this movie if the restraining scenes were seen as harmful and bad!
Or have Ebo do it and go for a more complicated view on Ebo and autistic acceptance. Hes from a culture where knowledge is low, and hes doing his best, but hes almost certainly got some bad practices. Much better than the current plot that all but says "look at what those savages did, not like Ebo, hes a good one". Make it more about access and opportunity to learn with people doing their best with what they have.
Hell, it would even make it a better romance story if we want to keep the focus on those two. Start out eith her idolising Ebo as someone who can teach her how to be a carer, and Ebo feeling like he can't be vulnerable about his own difficulties with being a carer, and then progress to both realising they're both flawed and trying their best and seeking out additional reasources to help themselves and one another. Much more compelling romance arc than just "they were kinda near each other". Also don't fridge Ebo's sibling. Why was that done?!
12:23 I knew this movie was bad but o am like super confused by all of this
This is easily like 8 different ducking movies who greenlit this??
for me, I'd rather see a low supports need autistic actor portray a high supports need autistic actor than an allistic actor do whatever the fuck maddie decided to do in that film.
@8:03 Oh-ho-ho, trust me! I'm sure Sia personally tested all of those drugs for quality herself.
Very good video as always!
thanks so much!
While this movie was absolutely terrible, it did shine a light on how borderline abusive pretty much *every* adult in Maddie's life has been. Sia is creepily obsessed with her and it seems like she never gets much say in what she gets to do... Maddie apparently didn't want to play an autistic character. Honestly, Music seems like a pretty good representation of how Adults (especially Sia) see and treat Maddie...
I’ve never held Maddie accountable for this dumpster fire due to her age at the time of filming and how she had very little say in anything involving her career. Kate Hudson on the other hand is so much better than this.Her mom is Goldie Hawn and is Hollywood royalty with her Oscar win and Kate has been set for life and her career wasn’t suffering when she agreed to be a part of Music.
Thanks for the links to that movie and those articles :)
thanks for clicking them!
When i first heard about the sia cameo. I assumed it was meant to be a little self depricating joke. Like im going to write myself in, but im going to be an absolute asshole who buys pain killers to get high on my private jet. I expected too much out of her.
Excellent review.
thanks so much!
Why hasn’t someone sued Sia for defamation yet?
Thank you for saving me the effort of watching this "film" Having experienced restraint over a number of years for various reasons, those scenes would likely have been deeply unpleasant to even view. Just about to watch the linked film now!! Had you not mentioned at the beginning and end, I'd have had no idea it was your first time!!! Also, it seemed significantly kinder to Sia tan the other review I've watched by an Actually Autistic person!!!
This was amazing.
Thank you!
well, someone isn't exactly the brightest candle in the chandelier i guess
Guess Sia never heard of "high-functioning"
This was good. I'd watch another. I'm curious your opinion on What's Eating Gilbert Grape.
great video!
So incredibly demoralizing how this gets funding but its so hard to get our own stories told, and its so rare to ever see ourselves in movies, games and books. In a better world this ableist mess would have ruined Sia and everybody involveds career forever, but also I know that neurotypicals don't care about us at all.
The only shows I ever saw, in my nearly 30 years, that explicitly portrayed someone like me in an accurate way, were the She-Ra reboot with Entrapta (and even here there are some incredibly ableist scenes being shown as oh so cute and funny, and parts of the crew was very gross and ableist on twitter and riled the fandom up against disabled fans), and Dead End Paranormal with Norma, and then two books written by actually autistic queer people, the Star Trek like space opera Failure to Communicate by Kaia Sonderby with Xandri, and the dystopia An Unkindness of Ghosts by Rivers Solomon with Aster.
You had to watch Music A FEW TIMES? You have my thoughts and prayers lol
It's not that uncommon that one can be friend to someone without talking. I would not watch the movie but this is not odd by any means
where did i say it was odd to be friends without talking?
if you're referring to what i said about Felix & Music - I said "interacting". Many ways to interact without talking.
I've always viewed this movie as music (the thing Sia makes) being the backbone to it all, and Music (horrible objectifying name BTW) is the appendix.
As a maybe autistic person, and without watching this video yet, I have an infinite hate for exaggerate expressions and faces, just the miniature of that video makes me wanna explode, and WON'T talk about their expressions in the video fucking god
❤love the video. Well put to the points
So…the kids’ TV show is basically Trolley The Trout?
I have a LOT to say about this film, but I will try to keep it more brief.
The main point of it all is that, this film is not about Autism, it is about a girl with intellectual disability in need of pretty high level care so that she can live a comfortable quality of life. She happens to have also have autism, but it is absolutely not the main part of it and by saying that it is people erroneously relate the two as a common occurrence. 31% of children with Autism also have intellectual disability. That's not half, it's not even a quarter. Her struggle is intellectual disability, because Music would be a person who can not take care of themselves by themselves. There are plenty of autists who can absolutely function, so claiming that it's autism from the get go is wrong. And by equating the two as the same, you damage both people with intellectual disability and those on the spectrum from getting whatever aid they may require or is useful to them.
She should of been immediately differed and on a list of people who are in need of care to maintain their quality of life and safety the moment it was discovered that her primary care taker passed away.
The movie doesn't give a damn about Music and her well being. That's the sick part. There is no thought that a young girl with disabilities and autistic related struggles is in need of various tools and lifestyle structures that help her live her life to the fullest.
Beyond that, it focuses on what I call "Unicorn syndrome" in that if you are deviant (from a non-emotionally charged point of view, but deviant as in, you are in a minority, not deviant as in bad, divergent) or otherwise different, you must have a beautiful perfect little world you live in, especially if you are too "stupid" to be aware or look like you're unaware. You're not allowed to be a person with struggles, thoughts feelings and flaws if you are anywhere near what people consider disabled. You're the underdog. The champion who is there to be a poster child to inspire everyone else that if you can make it, they can too. You're not a person. You're a prop to make others feel better about themselves and a convenient way for them to ignore when you're actually suffering, because you can't suffer, you're the special perfect unicorn, the secret genius. The world can't be cruel and unfair even though we routinely acknowledge it, because that would mean we as a society have responsibility to make lives better for those who sometimes get short ends of the stick. No, you're the underdog, you have to be the balance and succeeding because otherwise that calls into question a lot about society and how we think about others, especially when it comes to misfortune and strife.
It's disgusting. It's insanely damaging and it taps into something another overarching societal fallacy that I call the underdog: kick the dog. People love tales of people winning against all odds, they don't like the reality that there are more losers than winners, because it indicates to them that one day, they are very likely to be a loser. It also points out that we don't spend enough resources engaging in empathy, human rights and humane treatment towards others who otherwise might need a little or a lot of help living decent quality of life and often even longevity.
There are no humans when it comes to a variety of disabilities, divergencies or deviations. No, it's monsters, "retards" and special needs. You're not allowed to both have some form of disability, struggle with it, but also be a person with thoughts, dreams, hopes, fears, insecurities and insights to the world around you. Because shocker, if you were seen as a human being, then you have to be treated as one. We can't afford that. Either economically or socially.
This was a bit dark, but I'm mostly venting how Music makes me feel and how I interpret it as a much wider problem overall in regards to misfortune, struggle or just divergency in others that we see in society. We are slowly getting better. But there is a fundamental core of people not wanting to admit that sometimes "life isn't fair" and to have the courage to continue that sentence and say "so let's make it as fair as possible for as many as possible."
This movie sounds like a discount Rain Man, but worse. Much worse.
Had Sia cast Shia as the male equivalent to Zu, it would've been for the same reason she ultimate casted maddie and made no attempt to cast an actually autistic person (Despite what she told everyone) Nepotism (The act of giving preferential treatment to friends by giving them jobs and responsibilities) . Like Maddie, Shia Labeouf appeared in one of Sia's many music videos and has worked with the singer. However, unlike Maddie, Shia does have at least one acting credit to his name. the casting of Hudson was most likely done so that 14 year old Maddie felt comfortable on set.
Kate Hudson should have known what a disaster this movie was going to be. She is so much better than this and the fact her mom is Goldie Hawn makes her involvement even worse. Goldie has told Kate not to accept roles that would harm her career and reputation before. Kate is basically Hollywood royalty. She wasn’t so desperate for money that she accepted the role just to buy some groceries. Kate deserves blame for making Music even worse than it already was.
Fantastic. Best review of this horrid film ever. Thank you 😊
A potential TV show inspired by "Music" would probably suck, judging by the quality of this movie! 👎
That was a fantastic review, thank you. That's one film I won't be watching
omg it just hit me, if she really wanted to make her inner world all sia like...why not have sia be her special interest, would atleast make a bit more sense.
Considering how it's pretty clear she didn't do much research, I wouldn't be surprised if Sia didn't even know that special interests could be that specific.
I'm saying things! Man, Sia CDs used to be sold at Starbucks, so that's a weird fact.
The film also has a lot of incidents with the reason being "for some reason"
Great job!
Question, what can u do to help an autistic person when they're having a melt down?
Me, seeing this thumbnail: oh dear gods, what have the Liberals messed up this time?
Me in the middle of this video: . . . holy hell, Autism Speaks is a Pandemic that must be stopped.
13:02 I guess these people take terms non verbal and non speaking way to literally
mfw ableist is pronounced "abel-IST" and not "ah-BLEE-ist"
anyone else have these "I've read this word but never said it" moments
That time I said "fake-aid" instead of "fuh-SAWD" (facade in american accent)
Depends on what country you are from, different countries pronounce words differently
@@amandamandamands In which country do they pronounce it "ab-lee-ist"? When it ckearly derives from "being able"?
@@elektra121 I just re watched this video to try and work out what you were talking about, the person who made this video is saying the word ableist in her accent and is the way that I would expect to hear it. I'm sorry that you aren't used to hearing this accent (I'm not from the UK so can't tell you which part of England it is from), that doesn't mean that she has mispronounced the word.
Only beaten by Velma MUSIC is the only movie I can think of the top of my head that afends just about everyone, Like dam I'm mad as someone who is on the spectrum and South Australian(Because Sia is south Australian too) But also impressed by the stupidity by almost everyone involved thinking Oh yeah easy Osscars bait😅🤣
Was there ANYTHING good about this movie? …. Serious question.
some of the performances weren't bad. that's all I got.
@@Ember_Green - Thank you. I’ve just watched it. I thought Kate Hudson acted well. I’ve never seen her act before, thought she’d probably be the typical child of famous actors - that is, spoilt and talentless. But she surprised me with her skills. Imo she craftily brought some credibility and humour to the unbelievable character of Zu
Just out of interest if anyone knows this: When an autistic person is nonverbal is it an aversion to speaking itself or what is the root of that exactly? Would be interested to know.
Tragic Billy Elliott lmao
If you watch that movie no drug will do anymore.
Only drinking bleach will be strong enough to save your soul
let me ask, if buying property in Costa Rica is "colonialism", does that same rule apply for my Arab neighbor here where I live in Norway? or does it just apply to white Europeans?....
no, no...let ME ask, have you heard of "jokes"?
@@Ember_Green you are a very bad joke teller then....
I do absolutely adore Sia, but this is kind of rude. Even though Sia tried,
I’m not sure if she succeeded.
she definitely didn't try hard enough. had autistic people not kicked up a fuss on Twitter, she would never have known that she was promoting potentially deadly practices as good & cool, let alone apologized.
she didn't try and she absolutely didn't succeed
Since when any community should feel entitled to tell creators what to include and exclude from their vision? When did movies become an exact description of reality?... I saw this film yesterday and I had a nice experience. To me, any Sia's personal storyline had like zero relevance in it. Everyone will get something else from it, we can give them freedom to see the film in any way they want to see it. There's a lot of redundant hate around the movie and too many people are projecting their own issues to it...
“We can give them freedom to see the film in any way they want to see it.” - then take your own advice & stop complaining about what I have to say about it 😌
Sia has EDS. It’s heavily associated with autism and is even one cause of autism because it is a genetic collagen mutation that structures the brain differently, aka not neurotypical. There is a very good possibility that Sia is high functioning and on the autism spectrum. I personally have both.
EDS effects anything with collagen so, everything in your body. EDS leaves you prone to organ ruptures, joint dislocations, lack of oxygen to the brain, ataxia, tachycardia, gastroperesis, brain aneurism, sudden death and so much more.
EDS is an invisible disability and we go through life being confronted for stuff like this, being called weird, freaks. liar, faker, attention seeking etc. and that is exactly what is going on here.
EDS gives us thick stretchy skin and an elastic heart that stretches to the point it snaps and bursts. And another one bites the dust.
The reverse ableism thrown at Sia is astounding and I think you owe Sia an apology. Sia owes no apology.
EDS is one of the most excruciating disorders around when things break down and it’s deadly. Sia is not as able as you might think, and is much closer to the autistic community than you might think too.
I know what EDS is as I am being screened for it currently (hEDS). It does not give you any insight into autism & many autistic people with EDS also hate this movie. Sia apologised & disappeared for a reason. She knows she messed up.
Having one disability doesn't mean you can't be ableist to members of another disabled community. And "Music" is definitely harmful to the Autistic Community, and if she had done any substantial research or consulted with Autistic people several of the issues in the film would have been identified early enough for it to have been changed to better represent the community.
Lol having a connective tissue disorder = basically the same as being autistic.
Guess we can also diagnose Sia with ADHD, OCD, PoTS, insomnia, sleep apneas, MCAS, fibromyalgia, hardness of hearing (EDS is associated with a few different hearing issues, I guess Sia has all of them), chronic fatigue, Apraxia (really impressed she can sing so well with that one), IEED, Arthritis, Incontinence, Raynaud's Syndrome, Livedo Reticularis, club feet, Interstitial cystitis, PCOS, Endometriosis, GERD, ganglionic cysts, celiac, scoliosis, receding gums, crohns, the list goes on.
Claiming she has autism because she has a disorder that commonly comorbids with autism is silly. Its hard to find numbers on what % of people with EDS have autism, but we're damn sure that its not 100%.
Critising a disabled person isnt ableist. Saying you cant ever critise a disabled person is abelist. It implies that Sia isnt a fully actuallised human with autonomy if you say that because she has EDS she cant be held responsible for her actions.
I'm sorry, who are you to talk about this? Seriously, just because she has a possibly related disorder doesn't make this okay. She promotes potentially lethal restrain. She SHOULD be held accountable for this, just like how you should be held accountable for your comment.
Im sorry but i cant focus on the video you have such big bazookas
Your videos are fantastic. Once I deal with my medical debt, I'm gonna join your patreon. Thank you for your hard work, comrade.