Inside Sia and Maddie Ziegler's CREEPY Relationship
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- #SIA Today we are talking about the uncomfortable and inappropriate relationship between singer Sia and dancer Maddie Ziegler. Sia is gross for what she's been doing and she knows that!
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“She cried on the first day of rehearsals and she was really scared” Yet you guys still forced her to do it?
In her words she can’t do nothing without Maddie she relies on Maddie to get her fame/views and whatever else
Sea says she knows when Maddie doesn't want to do something yet she mad her be in a movie she didn't want to be in (Evidence she cried on the first day of rehearsal)
But she did a really great job 👏
If you’ve watched DanceMoms, you know that Maddie cried every time she thinks/worries that what she’s doing isn’t 100% perfect.
@@claireemily1983 that’s a joke right? Have you asked an autistic person how they feel about the movie because we are OFFERED by this and I don’t get offended by anything
If a 40+ year old guy was talking about falling in love with an 11 year old dancing "in her little black leotard" and then having snuggles and sleepovers then there'd be a fucking outcry.
this
This is seen as normal. Yet when Michael Jackson admitted to snuggling children people freaked out. If it is wrong for one its wrong for the other. This is what people mean by double standards.
Thankyou!! Its all creepy/very wrong, but when she said about the leotard it made my skin crawl 🤮🤢. How is everyone OK with this?!
It literally sounds like one of the "friendships" talked about in Leaving Neverland
@April April what difference does it make?
A grown woman 'snuggling' with a minor and nothing was said? Wow that shocked me - predators can be male or female!
@@tweaky2785 they’re still your family. Would you ever let your kids cuddle with a random woman unrelated to you?
@@tweaky2785 You’re dodging the question. It’s a simple “I would let my child cuddle with a strange woman” or “I would not let my child cuddle with a strange woman.” We’re not talking about aunties here. Plus not to alarm you, but most child abuse cases are done by close family members so…
@@DiscordEmail
Sia’s not a stranger though in Maddie’s life... The real question is “Would you let your kids snuggle with an adult person that plays a big role in the child’s life?”
Whether her place in the child’s life is okay or good for the child is a completely different question but is also a matter of you don’t know the whole story
@@Rose7576_ Most people are molested by....wait for it....family
@@tweaky2785 It's weird to do unless they're your kids. If you aren't related to them it's very fucking strange and if a man was doing it he'd be in jail. It's because she's a woman, that's why people don't care. I was raped by multiple women, no one cared. Same thing may be happening to madi.
It’s definitely weird. I’ve felt close to children that weren’t family as if they were my family but she’s crossing a line being way too controlling and the way she speaks about her sounds like an obsession
literally. like working in childcare i have definitely felt the closeness and protection one can feel with a child, but i've never slept in the same bed as them. what the fuck.
Do you know sia personally, have you heard from her point of view?
You're making it seem like "Controlling her" is the only issue, which is twisted, because she's been inappropriate towards her.
I bet if she was a man, you'd have said something different, your purple hair is blocking your judgment.
even then, unless theyre your own child or sibling then you shouldnt be acting like that with them. You would let your child cuddle up with another family member just bc theyre family?
@@ngndndOkay well theres a difference between a niece and an aunt vs random person
I am a girl who has been molested by a women. Women can be predators too. i was very worried when i heard that sia sleeps next to maddie. i hope maddie is ok.
A couple of other people have said the same thing and were suspected of molestation. i mean look at micheal jackson.
im a girl who was also sexually assaulted (ra***) by older women as well. their relationship definitely gives me weird vibes ..
I have been saying this is a bizarre relationship for a while now. It's messed up imo.
I'm sorry that happened to you. 😔
I’m sorry you had to go through that, you are so strong!
‼️NORMALIZE THAT WOMEN CAN BE PREDATORS TOO‼️ JUST BECAUSE A PERSON IS A WOMAN DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY CANT HURT OTHERS‼️
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Absolutely
Preach
True but it won't change the fact that there are more male predators.
@@KShipsAnalysisdoes that matter tho
I'm so sad for Maddie. Every woman in her life has harmed her. Melissa, Abby and Sia. While Maddie hasn't openly said anything abt it, the writing's on the wall. That girl has been pressured to be perfect and be a star since she was a toddler. I hope she breaks out one day
damn, that's so unfortunately true...and i remember an episode of dance moms where literally Abby KISSED Maddie on the LIPS like dude, that was so freaking unnecesary and creepy
I remember on dance moms when Maddie first did the chandelier music video and both Melissa and Abby said Maddie had a special relationship with Sia. Always thought it was weird
Her talking about how much she realized she ' loved' her when she was dancing in a skin tight leotard...that really did not sit right with me. As a former dancer, I can tell you that there are definitely predatory types amongst dance teachers and choreographers and the like. It's the same with the film industry ( as we've very clearly seen ), only this time, the kids are mostly in tight fitting leotards and tights and all, and that makes it a much more vulnerable situation or the child.
"little black..." not "tight"
@@pizzafrenzyman um no they're definitely tight. They're literally designed to show the shape of your body. Trust me I've been in them multiple times.
@@TurquoiseMusicWitch That is not what she said. You are misquoting her, and ultimately mischaracterizing her statement. Go back and listen to it.
the chandelier music video creeped me out because they have her dancing in this skin colored tight leotard and it just gave me shivers because I dont think children should be exposed like that.
Yes that's the bit that disturbed me the most!!! Dancing in her "little black leotard" GROSS GROSS GROSS
Why do people not realize that women can be predators tooooo!!! That's so weird.
Exactly what I was thinking. People are in really deep denial.
once he started talking about when Sia said she “never loved anyone like maddie” and snuggles her in bed i got sooo uncomfy 🤮
She was souled to Sia at a young age. These predators are everywhere.
@@meIatonin HUGE RED FLAG
People can see women as predators, but compared to men it makes women look innocent.
Maddie saying she didn't want to do it and Sia forcing her to shows how this dynamic isn't healthy. Then Sia saying she isn't interested in doing art without Maddie? What about when Maddie is done with it and ready to move on? This is a whole new level of emotional blackmail.
That's when shit really gon hit the fan!
blackmail? how about plain abuse
@@morganb673 emotional blackmail is a type of abuse...
maddie was just 14 at the time. she couldnt say no. sia needs to be cancelled over this. how on earth is this offensive vanity project ok
@@whodatninja439 actually she could have sia tweeted her but it was obviously a wonderful opportunity
I really can't believe Sia took Maddie on tour with her. She was so young and I really don't think her mother should've let her go. I would NEVER let my young child go on tour with anyone no matter who they were.
Yea well Maddie was already a proficient dance artist before that, more than your kids will ever be
@@seanbardwell2067that literally has nothing to do with the comment. We know how talented maddie is. But she was a little girl away on tour, alone, with a thirty some year old woman.
Her mom is definitely playing a part in this creep fest. As a mother you should be realising how disturbing and wrong this is as protect your child and see when your child is being controlled and mistreated and exploited and possibly molested. Sickening. Thankyou Sloan for opening everyones eyes to this matter who havent noticed this already.
The sentence reminds me of the Micheal Jackson fiasco.
These people NEED to realize that women can be predators too. Just because someone is a woman, does not mean they are automatically harmless and can be trusted. This is absolutely creepy, and should not have even had the opportunity to happen and NOT be called out from the get go.
Unfortunately, Hollyweird allows these types of women and men to go on with their careers without charges.
I agree with you 100%. Poor Maddie was groomed from a very young age. Where was Maddie’s parents? Super uncomfortable.
@@xojacquie7356 Using her as a cash cow.
@@dnmitch Because she is woman and white too I believe. (IMO)
Oh yes. This SO much. Being a woman doesn't make the person harmless, it's just dumb to assume that
If sia was a guy everyone would be taking this much more seriously. i wish people realised that women can be predators too.
I agree, but people still want to defend Michael Jackson so maybe not...
@@Ohnogoblin Michael Jackson was never proven guilty though. Just let the man Rest In Peace
Absolutely not men get away with this every time.
@Alex C Are you stupid or smth😐
People are aware. Just statistically is less common
as a lesbian this does sounds like a predatory behavior like she's literally grooming her, that's not mom's love it more than that and its obvious
Um no. . Şia is not gay
@@thatlady7193 she didn’t say sia was gay
Sia IS bi tho....she said it herself that she has dated men and women....and I agree with quinn.That's textbook predatory behaviour.....but since she's a woman people don't seem to care as much.
@@subscribee9792 i think she points it out because people often dismiss female predators and even more so of it's a same-sex situation
Why can’t Maddie see that the problem isn’t Abby or sia cause it’s her own mom.. Melissa is really disgusting human being … like I have so so so many reasons I can’t even comprehend
This is where the double-standard is so apparent in our culture. This relationship was inappropriate - point blank. People ridiculed Michael Jackson for having very similar relationships with underaged stars but when it's a female, no one even talks about it or knows it's happening.
THIS
Michael jackson never intended to harm any kids,never
The kids and their parents could all asure you he was an innocent man and he was just trying to live the childhood he never had as a kid star
Meanwhile sia is an adult woman who is actively grooming maddie but nobody bats an eye
Ok but why is Maddie always surrounded by adults that are obsessed with her?! Like Abby Lee and now Sia....
She doesn't have a concept of boundaries.
@@piiinkDeluxe her parents first and foremost don't have a concept of boundaries
@@narcis3720 them too. If you don't heal trauma, you pass it on.
and her mom seems f'up too. before sia she said she 'shares her daughters with abby' too and its honestly disturbing what those kids went through cuz of that show
@@piiinkDeluxe it's her parent's fault especially Melissa. Like Melissa let Abby be Maddie's dance teacher and Abby somehow got obsessed with Maddie. Now Melissa let Sia be with Maddie and shes also obsessed with Maddie. Honestly I feel bad for Maddie because at a young age she got attached with a grown women (Abby) that started to separate her from the other girls. Melissa shouldn't let any other women or men be with Maddie especially those that are much older than her because they just want her fame and money
The fact that Melissa said they sleep in the same bed...
@@lindseystein9676 ikrrr, like she's not even related to her but treats her like her own child
Michael Jackson vibes
@@vanciebrown480 totally
@@vanciebrown480 crazy because she called out mj but she can be called out for the same things
WShy on earth would you let your child to sleep on the same bed with a grown adult. Even in families weird shit happens.
As a mother to two beautiful and intelligent children, I can't for the life of me understand how her ACTUAL mother was ok with this. She was either extremely naive, starstruck or there may have been a financial incentive.
It’ll be interesting to hear what Maddie thinks of that relationship when she’s an adult and mother. She is too young to understand the implications now :/
@@johannagro6506 do you remember being 19? I'm 57. most 19 year olds feel they're adults, and are legally adults, and psychologically/emotionally (especially Americans) are still quite immature. (MS clinical psych so not talking out of my ass). believe me--she's basically a teenager developmentally.
@@johannagro6506 and what we're responding to is that at 19, she probably emotionally doesn't know what she's doing to "handle it" and later in her life may regret it, or more likely, say, "what was sia doing? i was 19??" time will tell, won't it?
@@Lanearndt There are a lot of assumptions and leaps in reasoning in your response.
@@Lanearndtthe prefrontal cortex isn’t fully developed till around 25-27
That’s the area of the brain responsible for making decisions and being able to weigh the consequences of those decisions
The average person isn’t fully mentally grown till 25. The fact society doesn’t really acknowledge that, is very strange to me
i wonder how sias TWO kids feel about her saying she “loves” maddie so much like a “first born child” GIRL YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FIRST BORN
Sia has infertility issues, she adopted her kids.....
@@stephaniehoran doesn’t matter if they are adopted. They’re still her kids. Obviously she doesn’t love them the way a mother should if she’s saying that about some other random child she hired when the child was 11.
@@TheJazluvscats You have no idea if that's actually her child or not though...it could have been a situation where she had a surrogate. Just because she's a celebrity, doesn't mean we are entitled to know every single detail about her life. Maddie looks more like Sia, than her own Mother. My reply about her children being adopted, was in response to the original poster, talking about her first born. She didn't give birth so she didn't get that joy of having a first born.
@@stephaniehoran she obviously didn't give birth to Maddie either, so I don't see your point. If she had surrogate kids like you said, then she agreed to become a parent to those kids, surrogate or not. She should be acting like that to her own kids instead of idolizing the child of another womani
@@parrotpirate9648 it doesn’t matter. They are HER kids, and she agreed to be a mother to them. Not Maddie.
The fact that a 14 year old maddie was able to understand that the role might offend someone and Sia didn't gave me goosebumps
Maddie is 18.
@@erinnnyu1079 not when shooting the movie
@@skyenby9247 Ah, I just realized. I apologize.
Shooting what movie?
@@natalie.s7226 Music. Music was Sia's idea. It's about an autistic teenager played by Maddie. It offended quite a few people.
For those saying it's innocent, go back through this video and imagine a man saying exactly the same things. It's totally inappropriate, there should always be boundaries for children and that's not just for girl/man, boy/woman. Maddie's mother is largely at fault.
Ddnevadas
Yes exactly this is not OK.. how her mom going to let her sleep over when she's 12 yrs old with an older women.... what's wrong with mom's not doing everything to protect their kids
@@Lotusflo90 the way maddies mum acts I feel sad though her mum grew with a nassistic and she was victim .. her mum is always wanting to please everyone
I can. Michael Jackson sounded like this and i don't think he's innocent.
@@KnockknockJ yea that's how people got away with things too. 🤔
I haven't scrolled too far into the comments, but the "sleepover" situation and the "snuggles" gives me flashbacks from Michael Jackson. WHY AREN'T MORE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THIS 😭 I just found this myself! I feel like Maddie has been painted in the light of a spoiled brat, but she really does bust her ass and seems like a genuinely interesting person, and I don't even know much about her. This is crazy. Thank you for posting vids like these! It's fascinating how Hollywood runs.
It reminded me of that situation too. Not normal.
Same
Yes
I feel like Sia is living vicariously through Maddie.
Nailed it .
Definitely Sia acts like a codependent mom
That is definitely what she's doing
YES, I think you nailed it
Maybe you just don’t want to see the potential for another kind of abuse, bc she’s a woman, so you’ve created this narrative
Sia has her own children, and yet she talks about how much she loves Maddie more than her own children
that’s just wrong
@@k59 not to mention there adopted so it’s extra wrong 🤦🏿♀️ she went outta her way she claims to adopt two troubled black teenage boys 🙄
@@kkandsims4612 they're*
People don't ask about her children probably. Interviews ask about her and Maddie that's why
She has kids?
It’s a shame Maddie attracts so many abusive adult “friends”
Sia is what’s known as an energy vampire. I think what Sia is going through, is termed as the Peter Pan syndrome, and is reliving her childhood through maddie. Similar to what Micheal Jackson was doing.
This
Yes! I thought of Michael Jackson too!
At least michael jackson never groomed and forced a child to act or going in a tour with him and he never talked about how much he loved kids dancing in skin thigh leotards
Always be wary of people who are more excited to spend time with your child than you are. That’s a red flag, especially if they’re not family.
TOTALLY like its one thing to not mind baby sitting or being excited to hang out with someone and their child but there is totally a level of unhealthy interest that everyone should take seriously and be concerned about.
Totally agree☝👏👏👏👏👏👏
If Sia was a man people would be not ok with this.
Reminds me of Micheal Jackson
@@ambershaw374 Yes! Just like that poor boy from MJ's Pepsi or Coke commercial.
She’s literally obsessed with Maddie and she groomed her since she was young disgusting.
Why do you assume she grooming her ?????
@@judahaustin4214 bc when Maddie was 12 she had “sleepovers” with sia which is kinda weird bc sia was like in her late 30s at that time. It’s weird bc one I understand that maddies mother would trust sia but sia manipulates ppl. And she is obsessed with Maddie and maddies image .
RIGHT. the word "grooming" came to mind immediately
@@WNT2BLV *Oooooh boy*
@@WNT2BLV oh f*ck this is what is happening.
Her mother is the first problem. Throwing her into the hands of predators. Let's not forget Abby kissed Maddie on the lips before forcing her "first kiss" with a dance partner.
nobody knew abby would do that??? also sia is literally her godmother so shes family and that explains a lot tbh
Having watched Dance Moms, my impression is that Melissa’s comments are completely in line with her character. She would do or allow anything if she thought it would help her girls get ahead. In my mind, this seems like a very Michael Jackson-esque relationship, and maybe Maddie was just glad for a break from her mother and Sia exploited that, or maybe Maddie just doesn't feel like she can speak up for herself. It's hard to say, but having watched the show and now watching this, those are my thoughts.
DONT FORGET:
Maddie is the only person she follows on Instagram and her settings are put so that only her mutuals can comment. So her comment section and her feed can only be Maddie (but fans used to be able to comment though)
Wait what the fuckkkkk
Okay, that’s weird as hell.
hol up thats some weird shit wtf
That's so weird-
ewww
Maddie's mom IS the problem in this weird relationship... as a mom... you literally have one job. One job...
You are absolutely right!
She wants attention literally all the moms on dance moms. They don't care boyt they kids
yes you’re right
I cannot believe there’s people who defend Michael Jackson.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
"Some people believe Sia is just being very protective over Maddie"
How BLIND can they be?? Imagine if this was a grown man instead grown woman with a young teenage girl. "The first time I saw her dance in her little black leotard I fell in love with her", "I hired security to keep an eye on her", "we have sleepovers where I have her sleep in my bed so we can cuddle" ...it's so weird, it gives me shivers. Everything about their relationship is a red flag.
the whole industry is so dark. I'm disgusted by all of it.
If you watched Dance Moms you know Melissa let the adults in Maddie’s life be almost like co-parents as long as Maddie got ahead. I’m not saying she doesn’t deserve the success but her relationship with Abby was similar and look at them now. Their relationship is definitely weird.
Yep Melissa's sickening n will sell n of her kids to the highest bidder.
This. I wish there was more blame on the parents in these situations bc they deserve jail time for basically pimping her out honestly
Yeaah so true
Abby stole Maddie first kiss
I feel like there’s way a little bit of a difference though, Melissa never let Maddie spend the night with Abby, or Abby ever feel like she was Maddie parent, Abby did have lines drawn, but yes it was easy to see that Maddie was Abby favorite. But I get bad vibes from Sia, I feel like she’s been grooming Maddie and acting very unprofessional and obsessive over a young girl. People need to look further into it.
Maddie’s mom looks like she would sell her daughter’s soul for a price.
Every mom on dance mom: Toxic bitches don't even care bout they kids will literally cuss at kids.
What makes you think she hasn't already
Right.
@@brooklyn2786 Except Holly
@@babycrystal5506 Ya holly literally cares about the other kids more than there own mom probably and also Christy they would stand up for their kids and wouldn't let them be shamed
This is so sad and to think the level of damage it’s going to do to Maddie’s mental health. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was sexually abused too.
Being on the spectrum myself, thanks for the support and seamlessly calling out Sia at the same time. The movie is just one thing that contributed to her alarming behavior. Props to you man. SO many good points and very well thought out.
As someone who is also on the spectrum I agree with you thanks for bringing this up…
Sia is autistic herself.. i knew before she said it. It's what ALL her music is about
I feel like Maddie always has a unhealthy relationship with older women. Like Abby, Sia, her mom etc
Her mom what😭
@Patrick Flomo yes, her mom. I feel like her mom would do anything for money. She also allowed these women to influence Maddie’s life
it’s called healthy relationships. 😐
@@AyoitsKiki that’s no technically an unhealthy relationship
@Alex C it’s not unusual for moms that have kids in the Hollywood industries to do anything for them to make money from their kids, it’s sad be not unusual
My daughters have ONE mother. I would never “share” them with another woman. That makes me actually angry to think about.
I never met anyone that’s wants to share their daughter it’s beyond creepy
Yes, childs aren't objects. They're not mean to share!
$$$$$$
*Unless she was your wife and/or partner.
Maddies mum would do anything for money even sleep with her boss, remember her on dance moms?
Just the simple fact that Sia whent from: knowing when not to take part in photos (or whatever) purely based off the looks on Madi’s face, and choosing not to do them….. to all of a sudden forcing her to play roles that she verbally confirmed made her feel uncomfortable?? … says everything to me…. The fact that she is keeping her from other roles with other people is also so strange and, as you said, She had a part in her life for a brief moment…. When she was a minor…. And now she’s like stuck. Which would be more of a loving family dynamic if Sia were to actually just be caring and not controlling. If she actually did treat her like a family member and not a possession…
"her mom shares her with me"
That made my whole body cringe violently lol. I absolutely hate the way she worded that.
why would she bring up her “little black leotard” that seems so creepy to me
Eughhhhhhh definitely seems like she was attracted to her 🤢
That just creeped me the f*ck out.
Disgusting
The way she emphasized it🤮
I didn’t get p*** vibes from that so much as I got the whole “parent talking about their little child” vibe, which is also pretty creepy
“She was there in her little black leotard” that instantly made me feel uncomfortable.
Me too! Red flag 🚩
It wasn't even the words.... it was almost the way the sound of it crept up my spine and make the hair on the back of my neck stand up.... there is something wrong with that.... something not right at all.... very very bad... ewww
Yeah this whole situation immediately creeped me out. I knew they had worked together but I had no idea Sia and Maddie had such a close relationship, to the point were what he was describing was making me uncomfortable. A grown woman does NOT cuddle with a 12 yr old she didnt raise. Its just wrong. As wrong as it woukd be if Sia was a man instead. I'm very much now convinced that Sia has issues and has more than "maternal" feelings for Maddie. Maybe one day Maddie will come forward. But thats her decison of course. Obviously we dont know for sure, but when you have any adult that is super interested in a child and simultaneously can MAKE that childs career, it puts the child in a bad position. (Epsecially if they have a mother that's more concerned about them gaining fame then their personal heath and safety.) And children are already easily manipulated by adults without the worry that their career wont take off without their help. This story just makes me sad.
Chrissie Tiegen vibes.
Reminds me of how Madeline McCanns parents spoke of her
every adult in maddie’s life failed her.
As someone who grew up with “mommy problems” any older woman who claimed to feel “motherly” toward me always ended up being a giant red flag of a person. Just my perspective.
Lmao it took one time, I was 16 and she would come into my work all the time and said I could babysit her kids and when I got there I saw multiple drugs for the first time and although she didn’t offer it I’m sure she wouldn’t have denied it if I asked and I feel like that was the plan
Wait for the documentary called 'Shattering the Chandelier' the truth behind the the relationship.
Wait, is that an actual thing?
@@idc4163 not yet
I’m sorry I didn’t meant to laugh, but the title😂
Girl you better screenshot this thread in case somebody takes that title because it's gold 😂😂
Damn that’s a good title!!!
Abby Lee Miller was the first one to treat Maddie this way. She’s used to it and probably assumes this is a normal relationship.
@Carrie Parker She kissed Maddie on the lips in one Dance Moms episode... ew
@@Dani_1012 maddie looks soo uncomfortable
@@CC-mc9dw yea this video th-cam.com/video/AFN-YVkLeMY/w-d-xo.html
@@Dani_1012 EW WHATTTTTT
Maddie crying and saying she didn't want people think she's making fun of them..shes a sweetheart
Just found this channel and have been binge watching. Sia also took in almost adult boys to live with her including maddies boyfriend. Sia called maddies bf her son and they took naps together. Not sure if this is still happening.
"I actually adopted two sons last year. They were both 18 - they’re both 19 years old now," she revealed in May. "They were aging out of the foster care system. Yeah, and I love them.
Shes a grandma now
One of the boys birthed twins
This sounds to me like gr*omming. Ugh, I won't get tired of saying this: Children do not belong in any industry! We must protect them.
Oh trust me you’re not wrong. They should be building up to fame in studies and not start immediately. But sometimes we need kid actors and actresses.
There should be a law that child actors can only be casted in one role before there 18th birthday. Ex a child could be a actor in one movie and than they can't take any role in music, dancing, stage performance, commercials or any other movie/ TV show until they are 18 so that adults have less time to groom each child and the abuse will become harder to commit.
@@firstnamelastnamecanada337 Personally, I think 18 is too old. Some 16 and 17 year old actors completely support themselves. I think there should be better laws for child protection in the industry, 100%, but we also need to consider that some of the children and teens want this to be their forever job, and if they can't build up a reseme then they won't get that forever job they want. They should be allowed to have as many roles as possible, but it should be stricter who is permitted to work with the children, that's just my thoughts however.
If you watched the Dance Moms show- Melissa seemed nuts. She seemed like she’d do anything to get Maddie famous.
Exactly
Yes!!!! And once she got fame she distance herself a bit from the show. Of course other drama played but I honestly feel like she found it as an excuse to exist
Melissa is disgusting. She's an awful mother.
melissa is definitely an opportunist.
but then dance moms was edited and scripted to make the mothers seem more dramatic and to make the children look like crybabies
i just discovered maddie and i haven't heard of her before. i just saw the fallout, loved her there and started getting to know her more. she seems like a really sweet girl, very humble and well spoken as everyone says. she sounds smart for her age even before. i think this girl will realize that she's been through with her acknowledging that dance moms was traumatic and sia being a little creepy. gurl has a backbone im pretty sure. i really hope she would do more acting and expose herself to a less traumatizing environment.
Just recently found you and I adore you! Thank you for these deep dives and all the info.
I feel so bad for maddie now I realize why she's so protective to her little sister meckenzi it's like she's trying to protect her from all the things that she had to go through):
Do you know that Sia wrote a song for Mackenzie ziegler? I do not really know why you drag Sia through the trash just because people think that something is off with Sia. Sia never forced Maddie to do anything and reather acts like a mother to her reather than just some randome woman.
@@srgscience She's under contract, of course she can be forced to do anything.
@@srgscience Sia... Forced Maddie to play an autistic caricature. Sia said so herself--Maddie cried cause she didn't wanna be offensive.
@@srgscience well Maddie is on a contract with Sia. We never know if Sia actually forces Maddie to do things she's uncomfortable with like the movie that Sia made. Maddie didn't want to get involve in it yet she was because she's on a contract...
@@srgscience Maddie is under a contract right now.. so she IS literally being forced to work with her now
I watched Dance Moms... Maddie's mom is a terrible parent.
i’ll second that! she’ll do anything to get her kids (especially maddie) ahead of everyone else. i’m pretty sure christi or kelly said this multiple times but it’s true. even if it means putting her kids in dangerous situations
Yeah, Melissa is crazy as hell, she needs to have her parental rights terminated
the majority of those moms are terrible tbh
@@hopehurley1151 Thank God for Holly, the sanest one!
the absolute worst
Wow, its amazing how Maddies mom is blind to the weirdness of that relationship.
Or money is blinding her. A child does not cuddle with any adult who isnt immediate family.
Crazy world.
Thanks for the video. Really didn’t know about their relationship like this. Disturbing to say the least
The most effed up thing about this is that there are actual HEALTHY relationships between young girls and mother figures. (Yes, even if they have a mother). Sia just... Doesn't sit right with me. Because it's not maternal love, it's mostly obsession.
So weird i feel for maddie. Sia needs to be investigated
I think it's an obsession and she views her as her muse
yeah, non-pedo relationships can definitely be a thing. it's horrifying how rare they are though compared to the fucked up ones
@@elliot_rat They're actually not that rare. They're just not the only ones we're talking about. Now that people are willing to pay attention and expose how disturbing some adult-child relationships are we are see how pervasive it has always been in our society.
@@tala954 Did you ignore how Sia blatantly said she's obsessed with her?
I normally hate it when people say “what if genders were reversed!?” But I feel like this is one of those cases
It’s fitting in a lot of cases but yea
@@bellciante Chris Cornell!
Nah I think this is a completely different situation. I think Sia knows she is too old for her face to be the face of her music so she met Maddie and felt a strong connection with Maddie as if Maddie and her thought the same. Like if you have an older sibling you're really close with and you see yourself in each other. I think Sia saw herself in Maddie and is guiding Maddie to make better decisions than Sia did at her age. This guy is saying all this creepy shit but Sia has taken Maddie 100,000 miles farther than anyone else would for a normal person. Like if Maddie was the plane and Sia was the captain, one without the other just wouldn't work
@morag sorat woah woah woah. You got it right in the first part. I do hate it because it’s used in misogynistic ways. I apologize if I offended you
@@cchewwitup cause most of the time they just say that to defend the actual bad person.
Honestly… I came from a home where I didn’t feel heard or cared for and adopting older friends and mentors has been very helpful. Especially as I was working at a company where I was the youngest by a decade, I would have hated people keeping me at an arms length and not letting me in… definitely would have added to my own issues with not feeling good enough or accepted. When I was 17, my oldest friends were almost 80 and my favourite people were in their 30s and now a decade later, I wouldn’t have changed a thing and I treasure those friendships. Remember “it takes a village to raise a child”? You can’t find a village that includes only blood relatives and people your own age.
When I was down and out, having those people offer me their homes and a cuddle kept me sane when my parents wouldn’t.
If Maddy comes out and exposes inappropriate behaviour then we can judge that but for now I’ll just judge her for her movie and reaction. I couldn’t live without my older friends. :)
Amen sister ❤️💪🏼😎
Maddie, if your inner voice ever says "RUN", you run.
Maddie has been groomed before by Abby Lee in Dance Moms. I remember the other moms complaining about how Maddie's mom would leave her and her sister with Abby while she flew around the world with her boyfriend. She doesn't care.
abby never GROOMED maddie she was really obsessed w her but she never groomed her ^^
@@aoriiyes tbh she may have groomed her, Abby definitely tried her best isolating Maddie from the other girls with the “they’ll never be happy for you, they’re jealous vultures”
@@ehhhno9932 and now she cries that the Zieglers don’t visit her to tend to her in her wheelchair. Like bitch, you made their childhood a nightmare.
@@aoriiyes that's grooming
Umm I don’t think what Abby did was grooming, because in interviews maddie was well aware Abby wasn’t a nice person and she was never really isolated by the other girls in fact there was all that drama that maddie was actually best friends with Brooke and Paige way more than Chloe was. However with sia it is grooming because maddie doesn’t seem to be scared of sia or is aware of what she was doing to her.
Remember when people absolutely lost it when Michael Jackson said that children would sleep in his bedroom with him? Many years later and Sia is “snuggling” with a 12 year old and no one says anything...just because...she’s a woman? That’s so messed up dude!
Good point.
Yep. That poor guy was ripped to pieces and ruined his life.. now, it’s almost considered normal with certain types of people. Matties mother threw her to the wolves for fame & fortune.
Yes. What is wrong from a gender is wrong from the other too.
Um lots of people are saying it dumbass - that’s why we are watching this
@@wonkydonkey8349 First of all, you should watch your mouth sweety.
I could waste my time explaining why I’m right about the fact that this isn’t widely known. But fuck it. People agree with me for a reason. Stay pressed :)
Okay this is predatory. In my mind if a man behaved this way with a young boy or girl it would be predatory in my eyes and this is no different. Typically mothers will befriend another mother, not the child. There is also a power dynamic here that isn't okay. This is beyond strange.. Just thinking of what Sia openly admits about her feelings, imagine how she feels privately. Probably tries to tell her stuff like "That boy/girl isn't good for you. You shouldn't hang around them" or even inquires about her sexuality as she matures. I don't doubt that one bit. I'm sure Maddie's life is very isolated.
Maddy's Mom, Melissa should get therapy herself. She has puts her child in like toxic situations that lead to various issues in adulthood. As a child or teenager you are not equipped to comprehend these kind of toxic situations and the effect.
Hope Maddy is getting therapy to be mind strong.
“In her little black leotard” uhhh why did she need to mention that? Imagine a bloke saying that
Yeah that rang alarm bells, but it may have been that she thought she looked adorable and is a total weirdo in the way that she expresses things. I hope it's not true but it's definately a bit off
Because that's what parents do I have two boys and when they were babies I would say aw look at my baby in his little onesie. If shes her god mom I dont see the problem maybe because my children's god mom and I grew up together and she treats my kids like her own.
@@kayay101 i was thinking that too at first, but i do that for babies...not teenage girls + i have a teenage daughter + a newborn baby.
@@bridgetquinones she wasnt a teen though she was like 10, 12 that's still appropriate idk my babies will always be my Babies no matter how old they get lol I'm a still embarrass them with my kisses
In a cute way.
That "little black leotard" slip while Sia claimed she loved Maddie in a motherly way... 😬
That’s fuckin weird
Time ?
Yeah that was just straaaange
I noticed that too. I almost felt like that’s something a guy would say when they objectify a woman, and focus on what they are wearing. The fact that Sia mentioned Maddie in “her little black leotard” made me nauseous
literally i was like.. am i hearing this
This was really hard for me to watch and accept, as I have been a Sia fan for so many years, but this whole story is extremely disturbing and breaks my heart for Maddie
I think it is important to call out Sis’s creepy relationship with Maddie but let’s not forget that her mom is an accomplice to all of this.
Melissa basically offered her daughter to people she didn’t know that well. First it was Abby, when she also said that she shared her daughters with her, then Sia.
Melissa is completely fine with women obsessing over her daughter as long as they made her successful. If these were men people would be going crazy.
I mean an adult shouldn't have a "relationship" with a child that they aren't related to. Even if Sia isn't a sexual predator she's controlling and weird. I honestly have to wonder how long it will take for Maddie to realise all adults in her life are toxic in one way or another. I am 26 and it took me 24 years to realise my mother is super toxic and sort of Dr Phil show material, because she's not textbook abusive. At Maddie's age you unfortunately shape your view of the world based on how adult act around you and towards you, and even the oddest behaviour can become the norm until you learn better.
Not everyone is a pedophile 🙄🙄 theres alots of teachers, gym owners, football coaches who have developed realtionships with troubled teens and helped were their own parents coudlnt
I’m not sure but I’m pretty sure that Sia is actually Maddie’s godmother
@@djfhfh would you let your child have a one on one sleepover with their coach
@@pikachulovablehell no, but doesnt mean the person a pedophile.
@@djfhfh I don’t think it’s necessarily does but it can be a groomer vibe. I don’t know if SA is involved here but it’s creepy
Sia is actually obsessed with Maddie at this point imo. Mellisa says she loves it when Sia snuggles up with her minor child. Sia is the new Abby from dance moms. It's just really weird behaviours to me.
it's weird and sad to know that there have been a lot of grown women who have appeared to be obsessed with Maddie, but the fact that her parents weren't doing anything- :/
@@marge6389 her parents did something, they put her through abuse bro
@@Truther1903 Abby kissed the poor girl on the lips before on Dance Moms... Definitely also creepy.
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@@XuiLeeEv woah, I totally forgot about that !
As a mom myself, how does this relationship not throw up red flags to her mom🤦🏼♀️ as a mom you have ONE JOB!
@@bimbothebear236 are you really defending her? Hell no!
@@bimbothebear236 your username says it all. It’s so inappropriate for an adult to be sleeping in the same bed with a child and not family
She had sleepovers in the SAME BED at 11? Wow. Sia is like 40 and thats just cruel
im shaking in disgust. i find it weird no one is blaming melissa.
Fr how is she letting this happen smh
Amen
We've known she's a terrible mother for almost a decade
Gurl I said!!!! Shes a whole trainwreck of a "mother" who only sees her kids as cash cows and is only worried about her very selfish self!
From watching the show her mom let Abby basically do whatever with her and didn’t ever say much, she wanted her to reach the top and she got it , so she’s basically doing the same thing with sia
Hollywood grooming at its finest.
Sadly, it's another one for the Hollywood Creeps playlist.
Everything that is western, now is "Hollywood". The of level ignorance in here..
@@faaaduma6876 - Hollywood has been the new buzzword for awhile. Funny that the same people who complain about Hollywood are the people keeping it in business by spending their money on it.
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That is so creepy and unnatural. Her mother is so desperate she lets her daughter get groomed. Where is her father. Sia keeps having Mattie do the one eye thing. Security is to let Mattie know she is always watching. And Sia can use the guilt thing about how much Sia has done for her if Mattie tries to Leave. And also threaten her.
She's the reason why I would sell her to Zamasu's Project Zero Mortals
Okay so, imagine that Sia is a man.
Now imagine him doing these same things with Maddie.
Everyone would be on his toes about how inappropriate that relationship is but because she is a woman they see it as "motherly".
This is not okay.
Agree
I agree!!
👌🏻 nailed it
Agree
Her comments about seeing her for the first time are downright predatory
That's how my narcissistic ex was,& myka stauffer said something similar when she first met huxley. Definitely getting narcissistic parental vibes from sia.
@@LydiaR418 I agree, but not parental vibes, just narc predator
"IN A LITTLE BLACK LEOTARD!" I WAS LIKE 😳😳😳😳 ?????? Did i hear that right😳. Gross.
@@ayleeebvby yeah I noticed that she specified her clothing too, just all odd
Big bad vibes
I really enjoy your videos Sloan!!! Thank you for your Honesty and for exposing truth .
No, they absolutely don’t need to give all the autistic character roles to autistic actors. It’s not the point of acting and it doesn’t make sense. On top of that, there’re many wonderful movies like the rainman, where Dustin Hoffman truly made his autistic character come to life. An NO, Dustin Hoffman ISNT autistic, he’s just an amazing actor
She is literally a woman who needs consistent therapy and has a savior complex.
@No ThisIsPatrick true. Fuck this comment as if getting therapy is bad and screw SIA the creeper
@No ThisIsPatrick Maybe they shouldn’t have said it like this but they are right sia should get therapy and work on herself because why is she so attached to this girl
@@obsessedfurler298 yeah, couples therapy 😒
How did she say it as an insult? She only stated that she needs consistant therapy and appears to have a saviour complex...she didnt say 'shes a fuckin loon' or something derogatory. I didnt take this as insulting to people in therapy at all.
Ugh 🙄 Sia's songs are litterly a medical to feel alive
Imagine sia being a man then sia would've been canceled already
And rightly so
This is why is so important to have parents that protect you from predators. This is very sad and disgusting.
given that sia is autistic herself, she may not have seen maddie's distress. i myself am not autistic, but i have grown up with an autistic brother. so im no expert, but know one thing or another about the disorder
If sia was a man... it would be easier for most to see how it’s wrong but she gets a pass because she’s a woman! Well it’s weird... it’s just strange
she doesnt get a pass, do you not see everyone freaking out about this?
@@joelavila6659 i think they just mean that it took everyone this long to notice it was weird. if it were a man i think it would have been sooner
@@girlthatyouadored Yeah I suppose, that does make sense.
Men and women are very different though
@Alondra S godmothers are chosen almost at birth, not at sudden when they feel enamored with your daughter
Michael Jackson used to have sleepovers and let kids sleep in his bed and the world goes nuts calling him a perve yet nobody bats an eyelid to Sia and Maddies sleepover and cuddle time .... 🤔
moreover, he didn't actually slept with them, it was more of a ingenuous kind of party, he had fun with them- pillow fights etc. after ten years of investigation by the FBI he founded NOT GUILTY but ppl just loveeee hating him. life is easier when you're a white woman.
Sia also tweeted about leaving never land and said she supported James safechuck and wade robson. 🤔
@@tenmahakusho6390 which is hilariously ironic😭
@@tamarhalevi214 or Even Cuties women of color director. Still getting defended by any studio
I was waiting for this comment
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Sia had been completely obsessed with Maddie since she saw her on dance mom's as a child. It's extremely creepy. Sia also said she has bipolar disorder, so I wonder if she also has some other obsessive disorder. She groomed Maddie.
Even though maddie is 18, she still is in no way of understanding the vulnerable situation she is yet. That level of insight in kids doesn't usually come until the later 20s. Especially given maddie's history with being abused and manipulated 😑
Yup
Yup plus shes been groomed since she was waaay younger. Its all she knows
Honestly, we 18 year olds we know right from wrong. We know what weird and vulnerable situation are. We ain’t dumb, i’m 18 and i can see that their relationship is weird af. We are adults too at the end of the day but Maddy may be oblivious to it bc she has experienced this for years now and probably sees it as normal.
BTS trash Army/Exo-l Baekie/Shawol but youre 18 in a completely different situation. We don’t all live the same lives just cause we are the same age. This is probably all she knows. This is probably her normal as sad as it sounds :/
@@btstrasharmyexo-lbaekiesha2776 people are different though. I didn't know shit about life when I was 18. 😄😄
The fact that she said she CANT do a project without her and can’t make ART if Maddie isn’t there 😳
Right that’s suspicious
Yeah that sounds psychotic
YAAAS isn't she an artist want she before this kid came along?
Oh no. That’s big sus!
She is her muse
This is textbook "Gruuming". From 10 years old. Unfortunately, she won't be exposed until the money dries up.
This is giving me psychopath fixating vibes. It’s like Sia fixated on Maddie the first time they met and became obsessed with her.
The whole industry is sick. Every child in the industry, actor, actress, rapper, singer they all have to do sexual acts & have handlers.
I hope one day they get the technology where they can just cgi and deep fake all child acting parts so there are no more child actors.
This reminds me of Selena when she was murdered by yolanda, she was obssesed with Selena and i think sia is obssesed with Maddie.
oh shit
omg
Yeah she is obsessed and if Maddie one day decides to cut her off then yeah who knows what could happen 😬
I pray to God that she doesn’t do anything so extreme to Maddie 🥺
Yolanda was stealing money though and Selena confronted her. Plus my mom said she heard Yolanda was jealous of Selena's attemp
Idk why but I thought sia was only like 20-25
thats what i used to think when she would cover her face with her hair. then when she started showing her face i was shocked lol
I can see how a sister kinda relationship if Sia wasn't 40 yrs older than her. It's effin weird. Idk that whole Hollywood crap this has red flags all over it. Plus not wanting her to work with anyone else is strange AF.