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There was a little mistake 2:06:00 Viltrumites are not planet destroyers. They were never able on their own destroy any planet. They are Multicontinental level destruction that is really freaking fast. And that is all
@triplecrosscounter hear me out: Ragnarök was retconned by early Christians to be the end of paganism but the beginning of the Christian cycle. After the world ends, three beings survive and those are equated to God, Adam and Eve. Therefore, there's still a VERY slim chance that Kratos can be a wise man. Plus, the Greek timeline isn't set in any particular time, so with a little cheating, it could match the timeframe.
The orcs have two gods called Gork and Mork, one is cunningly brutal, and the other is brutally cunning. Which one is which doesn’t matter, and the only reason there’s two of them is so they have someone they can fight. At one point in lore they’re never ending brawl had them basically roll through Korne’s realm and Korne literally ran out of their way. As for agreeing on things, they all have it programmed into their dna/collective subconscious that red makes things go faster, that bigger makes better, and the better something gets the bigger it’ll get… so if Doom Guy dropped in and started ripping and tearing them apart he’d (slowly) start getting bigger, and faster, and stronger but no one would necessarily notice. (Now this is just my theory, but the reason the emperor is 14’ tall but also once walked among mankind unnoticed is because of the orks. The orks recognize him as “Da biggest an da bestest Humie” and so he has become the biggest and the most powerful. Orks have truth manipulation, they warp reality, and allow for mountains sized mechs to move faster than mechs half their size)
That theory of the Greenskins powering the Emperor isnt true despite how funny it sounds. The Orks believe the Emperor to be the human's Gork and Mork. They also think the Emperor is a moron since he has his followers build statues and stuff instead of just fighting all the time. Their ability to warp reality (WAAAGHHH energy) only happens in an aura around the Orks. The more Orks in an area the more powerful their WAAAGGGHHH energy which makes them stronger and also smarter, which gives them the ability to create Gargants.
The thing about Doomguy is he is BOTH an unstopable force and an imovable object. Doomguy is the only thing they fear. He is inevitable inevitable. Rip and tear until it is done.
Doomguy has a pretty defined morality. When he heard about "Necessery sacrifce" in DOOM2016... He became enraged. For Doomguy both demons and people who "sacrifice" others for greater good are equal targets for elimination.
Your perspective on Kratos in the orginal games is quite interesting and gives me a new angle into why people might not like Norse Kratos. Saying that the original trilogy is a big suicide attempt is beautifully poetic to Kratos in the OG trilogy. I can understand why people think it isnt the same character, especially with the retcons in Valhalla. However, there is one major element to keep in mind in the OG games. Kratos kept coming back after part one for his vengeance, hell, Zeus putting him out of his misery im the beginning of GOW 2 should have been what he wanted. Instead, he is actually a different character compared to GOW 1. We see it in the very beginning sitting on Ares throne surrounded by women while wearing a new armor. He lays waste to countless cities and purposefully invokes the wrath of the gods because he can. Athena even warns him, but he continues to do so regardless. Another point to add is that the Gods have kinda always been assholes before Valhalla. I would argue that the OG games aside from maybe 3 give him a justification for his cruel actions. Before the events of GOW 1, Zeus curses Kratos's mother to hide his identity as Kratos's father, robs the only brother he has, leads him down a dark path for power and conquest, all the gods constantly ask for his help yet hes barely given anything in return, and most of these things are BEFORE the recon in GOW3 where the box supposedly made them 'Evil' even though they were debatebly already moral questionable at best. Still, I love the video, and the debate was pretty damn good. Keep it up man
He learned that Zeus could have stepped in at any time to prevent the entire series from happening, and the fact that Zeus sat on his throne and didn't do anything is part of what set Kratos off. It's why he calls Zeus a coward, because to Kratos, Zeus has lost any right to be worshipped. In god of war 1 & 2, a decent chunk of the gods he kills deserved it, and actively provoked Kratos into killing them. 3 is when it gets interesting, because Kratos is going out of his way to kill people he knows are close to the Gods. He lets the princess of Atlantis be crushed by the mechanism because it'll hurt Poseidon. There's some gods that stay out of his way, and some that Kratos doesn't kill (the 2 big ones being Artemis and Aphrodite). The Greek God of War games are the story of a Man becoming a Monster, and the Norse games are of a Monster rediscovering his humanity. I understand why someone might not like that, but I personally find it quite profound, in how Kratos has found an equally unhealthy way of controlling his rage. Compared to constantly unleashing it, he instead bottles that Rage up inside him, presumably for centries, before the fight with Baldur pushes him over the edge. Personally, if Kratos were to fall to a Chaos God, I think Nurgle would be a shockingly good fit. You might say "but Khorne's all about rage", and whilst that has some element of truth one of the big themes of Nurglite daemons and daemon princes is the cycle of tyranny and abuse, the cycle of men becoming monsters who end up pushing other men into becoming monsters. And that fits for Kratos, as he's existed at ALL points along the cycle at some point. As a Man, as a Monster, an Executioner, a Tyrant, a Boy pushed to vengeance.
well if you think GOW is a suicide attempt that’s a crazy take lol, it was a man that literally had no shot at achieving what he wanted yet still fought and found a way to achieve said goal , only to find out it wasn’t what he really wanted and that he consequently destroyed that entire universe, i think he is underplaying the god of thunder thor if anything lol , kratos never tried to kill himself he tried to kill the gods even if that meant dying himself, and zeus literally KILLED him and sent him to hades, if kratos wanted to be dead he would’ve remained there but guess what, he killed his way out of hell. i understand not liking kratos and bashing him but not when you have no clue what you’re talking ab yet speak as if you’re trying to convince die hard fans that they missed something . like c’mon man just stop😂 not you but him and what he said just is a wild take to me
so if chainsaw man eating part of a devil weakens them and if each warhammer demon is a fragment of a chaos god then wouldnt eating a demon permanently weaken the chaos gods regardless of whether he can actually reach any of the top tiers?
Latest chapters of chainsawman established him to be concepts eraser. He ate ear and mouth demon and literythe next moment every single living thing lost and forgot their mouth and ear exist. He can definitely slowly eat away chaos and even just make the entire universe passive after he eat the 4 chaos gods.
No, Khorne would absolutely love Doom Guy and would give Doom Guy demons to kill... heck, if anything Doom Guys existance alone would rise power of Khorne.
@@muguly4591 why it would make chaos god weaker? if anything most likely doom guy killing demons would make chaos god stronger... they are emotions after all
You could consider the humans that exist outside of the imperium as possible innocents for doomguy's requirements to appear. Heck, there are some that are sided with the tau too. I wonder if doomguy would consider the imperium an enemy since they would try to wipe out any xenos aligned or unaligned human civilizations. I know denji can be a bit tough to scale here but one thing Buster kept saying is that demons are fragments of the chaos gods. Wouldn't that count for denji's ability? He kept saying it and from what you said is all denji has to do is eat a piece of a concept to weaken. Even if it takes forever to do so. I do feel denji would get screwed over by anything that messes with his mind thou.
Denji eating the fragments would damage the concept, but without eating the Chaos God itself, its more like adding a cut to the thousand that were already there
The Taken would do the best, they take the will of anything they take over, allegences dont matter, once your Taken, you belong to the King. You cant even corrupt them because they dont have a soul anymore, and they can escape into a void
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On the Chainsaw Man discussion: since daemons in Warhammer 40k are just fragments of the greater Chaos Gods, would that mean that eating a normal daemon would be like eating part of them? If so, then even if he's not nearly strong enough to fight them directly, he should be able to steadily depower them and their concepts until they're no longer an issue. Thoughts?
Khorne doesn't scale to all his followers. He gets a small bit of power from each person, there's just so much bloodshed and shit that he's insanely powerful. Also the power of the Orks is very limited, they make guns that almost kinda work shittily but their belief carries it that small bit to working. The red color does work but only a little bit. The Chaos Gods aren't infinitely powerful because their effect in the real world is very limited, which is why they work so often through followers and couldn't face the Emperor directly in the materium. Also the Ork Gods, Gork and Mork are often considered the most powerful by far because there are so mamy Orks that believe in them but all they ever do is fight each other for fun so they don't really bother with any of the other Gods otherwise they'd basically win immediately. Also Doomslayer isn't really driven to save the innocent, he was made with a purpose but is otherwise Human, he was a Marine, had a kingdom with the Sentinels and was a Sentinel soldier before that. There's a picture that is implied to be him, with the face torn out and a wife and kid. In conclusion I believe he kills the Gods but if he can't he would likely carve out a kingdom that no one would ever fuck with. Also most Primarchs were not Psychers and the Warp isn't made of souls it just is where most souls go. ------- Also, Chaos Gods aren't conceptual, war existed before Khorne they're basically just extremely powerful extradimensional phsycic parasites. There are MANY gods and they CAN be killed and wounded. Most of the Eldar gods died and some were shattered into shards or wounded and in hiding. This can happen to the Chaos Gods as well they're just extremely powerful so it's difficult. Also corruption requires consent. In some way you WILL consent before they corrupt you even if through torture. That's why the Space Marines and Astartes had to be tricked or convinced. Even mortals have resisted by sheer force of will. Love you content bro, I watch every video but you need to do more research on 40K or reach out to a serious 40K nerd.
1:54:14 yeah I absolutely side with dude on this one nightmare would probably just become a physical manifestation of the warp in such a way as he spreads massive corruption and is super powerful. He is not going to become a being powerful enough to defeat the chaos Gods but he is going to become powerful enough to represent them in the Physical Realm. Basically bro is going to become the primary commander of the chaos Legions haha.
There are 2 standing theories. 1 is that due to Doomguy’s Primordial nature there can only be one of him at any given time. This doesn’t include alternate universe versions of him. The second is that he actually popped out in an alternate universe version of Earth. I’m inclined to believe the first more than the second as if he was in an alternate universe there would still be an alternate universe version of him there. The genuine answer thus far is it hasn’t been explained. Hugo has said he wants to release a DOOM Bible that will go over all of the unanswered questions the games bring up. Hopefully that one included.
@@rougarabidmy favorite would be if there was, but that the other doomguy is the weaker unawakened doom guy from doom one and so isn't dead but can't hold back the new argent powered demons invasion and him and the doom 2016 guy just never cross paths or hear about each other.
I find it interesting that when it comes to Doom Guy it’s ok to take what the creator says at face value even though it does not show in the games, but for Kratos it’s a different story.
Bad argument. Hugo doesn’t directly conflict with events in the game and when he does I ignore it. Corey CONSTANTLY conflicts with what we see happen in the game.
@@rougarabidalso a big problem is that he can say Norse Kratos beats Greek Kratos all he wants, but they didn’t write or design the original game or characters, Greek Kratos with pure rage and strength would see the old him as another pussy god which needs to be exterminated
@GOTHERGOAT are you saying that sarcasticly? Bc Cory was the lead animator for god of war 1 the director and story writer for 2 story writer for chain and ghost of sparta and wrote the initial story for 3
Kirby could clean up the 40K universe in like a week tops. I'm being serious, Kirby is basically the essence of all creation incarnated into a being of pure positive emotion. He's a nigh all powerful eldritch god who just wants to make friends, eat tasty food and nap.
I dont think khorne is strong enough to siphon power/gain power from doom guy. DG is the equal/superior of davoth. Davoth is a multiverseal entity responsible for the creation of the doom multiverse while khorne is basically a parasite sucking energy from a single galaxy/universe. Also, aren't the tyranids the greatest enemy of chaos and their actions dont empower the chaos gods? Or atleast the cgods cant influence them.
I think Khorne wouldn't gain power from DG himself, but he wouls be empowered by whatever he kills. Not to mention the excessive violence from glory kills would also strengthen Slaanesh. The Gods feed on the defeated just as much as the victors.
Khorne was multiversal. The Khorne in Warhammer Fantasy was the same Khorne as 40k though that probably got retconned at some point. *Still think Doomguy would win*
@tiggerbane4325 true, but khorne is still basically a parasite. The chaos gods didn't create the warp they were brought into being into the warp from the collective psychic energy of all life (most all). Davoth "Created" hell and doom multiverse which in my opinion has better scaling than the warp.
I mean I have read that the the chaos gods can effortlessly implode the universe if they so wanted but then they don't get to eat at that point. They created a skein that heavily weakens chaos demons outside of the warp
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I greatly appreciate the articulation and civil disagreement about Kratos. got my sub. these discussions are important, not for the topic itself, but for the ability to apply reason and logic conceptually even into fantastic settings.
Wow. You REALLY don't like the time skip developement method. Kratos survived trying to kill himself then wandered the earth wounded and fell in love with this random miniature giant woman with immense strength who nursed him back to health. They do explain why throughout the game in background development. It wasn't a retcon it was a love story that happened off screen. It's the plot of the game to spread her ashes. I think women might love the heartwarming tale of Kratos learning to love again but I don't think that guys want to play that part.
@rougarabid Well, for starters, he went from being a man who had lost everything.The love of his life his only child, his brother, his mother, his country, everything that mattered to him in every respect and then at his absolute lowest point after attempting sucide for the 2nd time and failing he eventually finds a woman who not only understood his loss amd his pain, she accepted him for what he was knowing the monster he used to be and loving him anyway, trying to make him a better kinder man that would have a massive effect on even the most cold hearted of men. Hell in the ragnorok dlc he revisits and confronts all the messed up stuff he did in greece and acknowledges he was a evil bastard at the time. Then they have a child, and he is thrusted back into the role of fatherhood and Kratos is doing his best to be a better person to raise his son that's the entire point of both games. I thinks that's a pretty big change.
@@rougarabidwhat @hunterskidmore1672 said with the whole Dad of War meme added on. Kratos has a second chance at being a dad and he's not going to screw it up again. That's pretty realistic and geounded character development. I have personally seen alchoholics go 100% sober just so they can be a good parent, usually on their 2nd or 3rd or 4th kid because they want to stop making mistakes.
Not overnight , u can't go to sleep a person then become another person the next Day, if u change a caracter like that is not the same caracter , let's say in death note u just change Light after a 2y time skip into someone that has the notebook he îs just "yea I can do it , I don't want to make the same mistakes tho" how did u get there why are u there , how tf did u change so much , what miskates ? And then they just make him feel bad before and give reson for his state after the time change by making the back story diffrent . Well yea he did kill they just becuse he wanted something to eat tho he is not him when he is hungry
@noobpower6090 Kratos met Faye as soon as he ended up in Midgard, and he has been in Midgard for 50 years, so they knew each other for a long time. It wasn't overnight it was something that spanned decades.
An element that I'd like to bring up with the Viltrumites, is that they aren't just a group of super strong flying guys with a mentality like the Sayians... But they basically have the genetic capacity to breed with any other alien species that is humanoid at the very least, got the special trait that their hybrids will beocme more Viltrumite-like the older they get as their genes will grow more potent with age... Plus they are socially compelled to replenish their numbers with other species that are "Viltrumite enough" out of the worlds they have conquered. With that in mind, how would their interactions with the Eldar, the Empire of Man and the Tau be?
It’s a pretty decent fic I read a couple years back, it does a fairly okay job at balancing the both franchises (but not always since demons are practically treated as re-skinned daemons instead of the walking suns they actually are). Wish it updated though.
Almost every writer puts some of themselves into their characters. Kratos is well written and is very believable based off the og 3 games. There's a ton of written story beats and lore in the game both shown and discovered that only add to his character. Like it's actually hard to miss. Kratos was always a family man and it was only after he lost his first, found vengeance and still had to wander the earth trying to discover he he really wants to be, and after finally facing and accepting his demons, that he learns to BE the father he should've always been. He does that and he still actively struggles with trying to be better while also dealing with the loads of trauma and ptsd that he has from everything he;s been through and done. His character growth is incredibly well done. Also just cus he actively doesn't give into his rage in every aspect of a fight and learns to fight differently and with people, doesn't make him weaker. Kratos rage was a powerful tool but it blinded him and made him make many mistakes because he wasn't thinking of his actions and the consequences they could bring. This is repeated at length throughout the entire series. Kratos literally still has the power of hope, he inspires all the realms to rise up against Odin and the Asgardians allowing for the realms to finally be free of constant oppression and endless conflict. There's still pockets of conflict but widely most of the realms sit at peace and now work together. How is that not hope? I feel like yah gotta drop some conceived biases and play back through the games or look into the lore that's in the games as well. There's so much of it and it's all pretty consistent.
I definitely have a lot of criticisms of the Kratos critique from Rouga. The biggest thing i would point out would be that 2018 took place at least 150 years after 3, which Kratos was between 30-40 years old. Although Kratos has done some horrible things, especially in Greece, he was never just "evil". Fatbrett has some amazing videos analyzing all of the GoW characters, including 2 or 3 on Kratos.
No, you can kill the chaos gods without killing reality, no you don't feed khorne just by working out, who tf is this expert, just get lutein or weshammer or something. Khaine and the emperor both prove that the chaos gods can technically be killed.
Well they ARE conceptual beings, they embody good and evil things at the same time being these parasites. Alongside their mere physical form exist in the warp which in its entirety exist beyond dimensions, space, and time, beyond what even doomslayer could handle. Really the only reason everything isn't dead is straight up because the chaos gods want to continue their games forever.
@@alleywaydude399 they do consume the concepts they subplant but these concepts can exist independently of them with no change, unlike with C'tan. The chaos gods more mantle them (hence parasites as you said) while they hold warp dominance than are them. This is evidence by their being a time before the chaos gods existed and further evidence by the fact that they fear the possibility of death. Physical entities can exist in the warp if they are psychically empowered (evidence by all the imperial aligned people who've done just that, including primarchs, a Grey knight, firehawks). I don't really care for doom, I don't really play the games but the scope of the chaos gods is misunderstood because of memes. If the emperor decided to ascend they were done, even now, individually, he's stronger than any single chaos god.
@@alleywaydude399 I don't play doom, but if iron warriors and entire planets with people on them can exist in the warp, why can't doom guy? Sure he'd have no gellar field or affiliation with chaos (which rarely helps non sorcerer csm anyway they still need gellar fields) but presumably he can still hold form and kill daemons in the warp, id presume the same dimensional traits exist for hell as the warp but again I don't play doom so I didn't comment much directly on that so much on how I feel 40ks lore is being represented by memes in this video
58:12 It seems to me that if Chainsaw Man can get a bite off on one of the lesser demons of a Chaos God, with those demons being a part OF a Chaos God, might become an exponential issue.
The idea of Doom Slayer falling into 40K and like detecting one child that is purely innocent and just spends her entire with what is basically all of the Custodes wrapped into 1 anger golem protecting her
The way I see it, the demon gods have no choice, but to focus solely on him since he has the ability to wipe out the universe on his own. Their influence would be weakened greatly due to putting the majority of their focus on keeping doom guy busy. So while he can’t kill them, he can minimize their effect on everyone else to the point where they don’t have to worry about them anymore. As for denji, he could possibly affect the chaos gods by simply eating the Demons since they’re fragments of them to begin with, all he would have to do is just keep mowing them down and eating them up to get the desired effect
Given none of this is even remotely true, because the Slayer is utterly irrelevant in the context of 40k, I don't really have any idea what you are babbling about.
@@Phantomcrustacean Well, no, Doom, at least, is actually pretty clear with what Doomguy can and cannot do. Hint; it involves him McShooty Shoot-ing the Bad Guys TM with big guns firing hot lead. Or, if he's feeling really spicy, pulling out a energy sword (oooohhhh, how scareweeeyyy) or just going fisticuffs. Absolutely none of which is unironically beyond the level of a single, random Astartes, tbh. Or, to put this in a way that you, and most other fangirls may understand (although it may also result in popping a vein, but oh, well); absolutely nothing Doomguy does in the history of the series is beyond the level of what a single, somewhat notable Astartes could pull off. The idea he is some unstoppable juggernaut in EVARY SEATTING EVARRR!!! because...uh, he's really KEWLZ, and, like, stuff, is childish and infantile.
@@papapalps2415 So you’re going to be rude, a waste of existence deserving nothing but the void. Longing to be seen, but never will, a hollow act of intimidation, hiding a cry for help to not disappear from the memory of all, we are nothing but specs in the universe, destin to disappear and most people won’t even know, no one will care, no one will remember the existence you desperately try to place here
The way you described his power of hope, freeing people from the influence of the gods, sounds like it's a cure for chaos corruption. And if people aren't worshiping the chaos gods, sacrificing things to them, indulging in their concepts and emotions to the extreme, etc, it won't starve the chaos gods, but they will have a fraction of the power they once did. Unfortunately, even in the Horus Heresy, which was one of the most involved in the mortal world, most of their attention and power was for battling each other in the Warp, so it will mostly be that the galaxy now has a way to avoid demonic corruption and chaos will mostly just be demons appearing during warp storms or possessing psykers, rather than organizations of heretics and stuff.
The thing with chaos gods is that before the war on heaven they didn’t exist or weren’t the corrupt evil gods they are currently. I feel like if doomguy can actually wipe out enough evil in the universe and make it more peaceful he could in turn make the gods un corrupt since they also have good aspects to them. That’s easier said than done but I believe is still a possibility.
I wonder how Dante & Vergil from Devil May Cry will fare in Warhammer 40K. Specifically, their DMC5 selves because obviously they're at their strongest in that game, until DMC6 gives them some new toys anyway. I imagine the majority will not trust the twins because of their half demon natures, and the daemons might hate them because of their human halves among other things.
Honestly even if we don’t take Cory’s words into consideration Kratos still has better feats in the new games. The most you can scale Kratos to before was multiversal and that was because his fight with Zeus who beat the titans, who beat the primordials and then eventually overpowered him, however Thor just fighting jormangandurr was splintering the World Tree which supports ALL of creation and transcends time and space and that was just a byproduct of their fight. You make it sound like Thor wouldn’t have killed younger Kratos as well which he would because he is just so much physically stronger than younger Kratos. Valkyries are said to move just as fast as Hermes and casually and older Kratos can easily keep up and defeat them all. The Only thing younger Kratos has over current Kratos is that he has more magical abilities.
As to the retcon of Kratos, I view it like this. Despite the fact we are playing as Kratos and seeing the world through his perspective, we are also meant to absorb the Norse perspective. Gods and Demogods have their stories changed to fit the landscape. Loki and the Jotunn were not originally part of Norse mythology, they were added to explain encountering other cultures. This is how mythology works.
There is absolutely NO WAY the Doom lore enthusiast is saying that God of War's story is bad when all the story of those games is just demons randomly spawning into a place and Doomguy killing with random books of garbage lore all over the place 😐. Regardless of that, the games never retconned the events of GoW as your guest stated several times,any of the 'changes' is simply a new perspective to his actions;and he is never forgiven for them despite the new perspective. Additionally, they didn't retcon his reasons. He's simply grown as a person and is now better able to analyze his past and find the core of those events, unlike in the original games where he was blinded On top of that, he literally did stab himself to release hope into the world. Athena showed up taking about taking the power and ruling the world and realizing she'd be no better than other gods he released hope
So say with Slenesh, if Denji eats Slenesh, the idea of Exess no longer exists. Its like if he ate the Sex Devil, sex was never a thing. So Nurgle, well disease just never was a thing. The common cold never existed.
This is neat idea, but in Warhammer 40k it’s the C’tan who truly embody those concepts and it’s if they truly die that things get deleted across reality. The chaos gods and their daemons are more like reality cancer than the devils Pochita munches on.
@@thibaultl1956 Devils are also don't embody concepts they just tied to the fear of that concept Demons also are tied to concepts so the eraser should work
@@ranmoses2553 okay but this idea gets really odd because there’s overlap between what the C’tan embody and what the Chaos Gods feed off of. Like if Tzeentch was somehow erased by Pochita what would happen to the Deceiver? If the deceiver gets retconned the entire setting doesn’t happen and humanity might never have existed. And would everything and everyone just be frozen forever since Tzeentch feeds off of the future and change?
@@thibaultl1956 that kind the point, if Pochita fully eats one of the chaos gods the setting is gone everything will change so much that it might as well not be 40k
I want to put a Xeelee (the Xeelee sequence) into 40k, just to see how the factions react to this indestructible godlike being, that’s just kinda minding its own business.
Quick addendum: Every daemon is a part of its chaos god, so every time Denji McChainsaw eats a daemon, he kills it forever and weakens both the god, and the concepts their gods represent simultaneously. This is a drop in the bucket, mind you, but it's better than temporarily banishing them, and increases his personal power with every kill. I guess he's kind of like Doom guy that way?
I am pretty sure that Chainsaw Man's concept erasure ability only works on Devils that embody that fear though. So like if the Chainsaw Devil was sent into the 40k verse and ate a Bloodthirster for example, the concept of "rage" or "bloodlust" wouldn't be erased cause it isn't a Devil, its a Daemon. So to really get the full power of Denji/Pochita you would have to pretty much crossover the Devils and Hell dimension of the CM verse in to 40k verse as well, which would get pretty wild. Just like you guys mentioned with the Chainsaw Devil, most devils are going to get a crazy power boost and you would see the creation of new devils like the Xenos Devils, Heresy Devil, ect. So if the War Devil and Blood Devil existed in the 40k verse and Chainsaw Man ate them, then Khorne is going to be having very bad time to say the least. Like its probably wont outright kill the Chaos Gods but Chainsaw Man erasing Devils and thus concepts that they embody is going to severely nerf their power and influence.
@@ranmoses2553 Yeah, devils and daemons are similar entities with both of them being spawned from the emotions/concepts of mortals and being strengthened by them but they are still different entities that have different place of origin, powers, abilities etc. So unless we are using verse equalization with CM devil and 40k daemons, then Chainsaw Man concept erasure should not affect daemons.
@@smuggrog9821 The eraser works because devils are tied to consepts What you are saying is like saying that superman can't get powers from a sun in marvel even if that sun works 100% the same as a dc sun The main part is there, it doesn't matter that they have diffrent origin
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Nice vid about if norse kratos is a good or bad character altho idk why you began and ended the vid with warhammer clearly its a debate vid about kratos
This video is fun, but I think it vastly overestimates how common Daemons are and how conflict prone Warhammer is, as odd as I know that sounds. There are plenty of innocent people and just entering into the warp isn't exactly something easy to do. When humans do that in Master of Mankind they get dissembled to something less than atoms, without some sort of protection you cease to be. It's not like a warp storm, being inside of a ship with a broken Gellar Field, or the eye of Terror that is so often confused with the Warp - it's a violent infinite ocean of souls, emotions, and monsters. And another thing, contrary to what some books say (Yeah... it's like that. At this point Warhammer is only outclassed by Comics when it comes to contradictions) not all Daemons are parts of the Gods. They can be created by intense emotional events like the Gods were, which does ensure that there will always be something in the Warp and it will usually be daemonic because Warhammer 40k is so messed up. I could talk about how the several ways in which some Warhammer characters can time travel, but that's such an astounding convoluted topic that I don't even want to get into it.
Kratos character did not change that drastically from 3 he was always a family man he was tricked into killing his daughter and killed a god(ares) then with pandora after he started traveling with her he cared enough for her to refuse to kill her even if killing her gave him the power to kill Zeus and the character arc from GOW3-4 was mainly in the comics. Like doom guy he completed his goal in killing greek gods but unlike doom guy he has to continue living after
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All I know is that Doomguy would have an insane arsenal. The best of the Imperium's *Extensive* arsenal, the high sci-fi pulse weapons from the Tau, the Necrons insta-kill Gauss weapons it'd be a pc only nightmare and infinitely powerful weapon set
Unless GW has come out with new info, The chaos gods are most definitely not conceptual beings. Think of them as similar malicious concentrations of the thoughts and emotions coming together after millions of years and give the sentience. That is what they are. Mere thought beings.
No, they pretty definitively are conceptual entities, at least in some manner; they aren't quite pure conceptual beings ala the Abstracts from Marvel, or the Endless from DC, but they aren't just random entities calling themselves gods, either.
@@papapalps2415 that's exactly what they are, just not as random. it's just that in 40k, they have enough to mess reality on a galactic scale, making them powerful.
@@DaddyVeo1911 They aren't, no. They very much do embody concepts, to a certain extent. It's also not a matter of them 'just' being in one galaxy; the Warp is explictly and unambiguously multiversal, and we know the Gods have influence in other universe's.
I don't view the Chaos gods as really universal or multiversal. So what if they could have a small portion of themselves travel to another separate reality somehow if Warhammer Fantasy is counted? If mainly just because the Warp or the realms of magic are connected to each other and the Chaos gods aren't really conceptual beings they are more like a massive manifestation of collective Warp energies with awareness from certain actions that empower them from living beings with souls who have connections to the Warp. That wouldn't count for living beings from sections of the universe or other realities where the Warp doesn't exist yet life still does. And in Warhammer Fantasy those chaos gods are very much weaker then the 40k ones. Even the 40k Chaos gods have limits to their power and there are things which are more powerful then them like Gork and Mork who stronger then 4 combined and things which exist outside the Warp that they fear and don't understand like the Well of Eternity. If the 40k galaxy was destroyed the Chaos gods would starve to death and slowly vanish away. There are some Necron superweapons that could do that like the Breathe of the Gods if that weapon had been fully operational and activated the Milky way would have been destroyed along with everything in it. There is also the matter the Dark King who just like Gork and Mork is said to become more powerful the 4 Chaos gods and physically destroy the Milky Way making the Warp in this galaxy boil for millions of years. And there are the unheard of Omega Plus Psyker class that probably dominate the Chaos gods along with everything else in the Warp we know of in Warhammer 40k because not even the War In Heaven made anything that powerful. Even a weaken and depleted Khaine was able to fight off a new born and powerful amp Slaanesh for a good while before Khorne interfered. So there are power gap differences in the Warp. Time still does exist in the warp but it is more like it is Fluid and all distorted however time still exist in this parallel reality. Even when Tzeentch at the height of his power before he shattered his powerful warp staff fought the strongest daemon to challenge him the daemon king Yssarile for what was describe as a period of a billion Warp years. So time does exist in the Warp in a chaotic and paradoxal way but it doesn't completely transcend time. Chaos gods are also limited to their territory that the Warp is available at. Even the full complete C'tans in the Milky Way of the War in Heaven were fighting alot of powerful Eldar and Krork Warp designed beings and able to hold their own for a time. So the C'tan were relative to the Warp beings of those times. I would rank the Chaos gods as on now galaxy tier in the comprehensive energy scale. But they still rank beneath Gork and Mork, the Dark King, and a Omega Plus Psyker. Chaos gods can be killed but it's hard to do so and very tricky. However pit the Chaos gods against some the Xeelee from Xeelee Sequence or the Quantum Angel from Doctor Who or the Faction Paradox powerhouses they lose badly. Especially since in their settings the Warp doesn't exist so they would not able to manipulate or gain any Psykic energy from them. Warhammer 40k would struggle extremely badly against the powers that can and will exist in the Stellaris Gigastructure Engineering and Ancient Cache of Technologies mods.
For Chainsaw man, if the little demons are fragments of the Chaos Gods, wouldn’t eating them function the same as eating them directly? If it does, it would weaken the Gods, but definitely not as much as the War Demon, as it’s just a fragment.
I could see that, but can we stop and talk about how strong the primal devils would be of they were in war hammer 40k... Like holy fuck in a universe that knows only war the war devil would just become a new chaos God at that point...
@@wander-0014 Well the falling devil while being in a weak state could cause earthquakes all around the world just by existing (chainsaw man is set in the 1997 to 1999 and had devils kill people for a while now) So the primal fears should be in the multi-galaxy to universe level of power
The chaos gods have an infinite amount of daemons and more always continue to be created even if you killed a billion a second it would not be noticable
@@UpperNileGuy they don't have a infinite amount of demons if they did, They would a have won a long time ago and every battle in the warp would have gone on forever (demons can't normally die so the chaos gods don't lose any soldiers so it just look like they have infinite demons) it also implies that the chaos gods have infinite power something we know is false
If you take into consideration the fact that daemons are created from fragments of the chaos gods then each time chainsawman eats a demon of korne he would be eating an extremely smal piece of the chaos god of war, and that will very slowly weaken the concept of war and at the same time weakening korne and all his daemons, daemon prince’s and champions simultaneously, making it easier to eat more daemons of korne, if he follows that cycle for a few tens of thousands of years nonstop eventually korne will be weakened enough to be completely eaten by the chainsawman, that will erase the concept of war from existence which will rewrite the entire universe timeline so all wars in history never ever happened in the first place, including the war in heaven between the necrons and the old ones, preventing the eldary, the orks and chaos itself from being born in the first place. Denji would be the best thing to ever happen to humanity in that universe.
Okay so if Doom Slayer has the ability to will whatever power he needs then wouldn't he be able to will into existence the power to end everything and restart it all without the chaos gods?
I want to say that 40K already has spirit/corrupting swords that are very similar to Nightmare, and they slap HARD in-setting. Like the sword that corrupted the Primarch Fulgrim was being possessed by a soul-eating greater daemon. I think Nightmare would certainly be the most powerful sword in 40K, but in essence he would basically be just a very OP daemon sword even if he's not technically a daemon.
He wasn't syphoning power form the chaos gods. He got the secrets (and maybe power) to make the primarchs from them, in some sort of broken pact or trick.
The whole kratos section became a debate..... I didn't know that's what I was signing up for but I was just begging for it to go to the next character lmao
Remember there is a full power C'tan the Outsider in a sphere that being killed multiple other elements of reality meaning other C'tan and dozens of mini gods the Old Ones with no issue so. Other then maybe Doom Guy and Darkness, nobody beats that on this list.
Demons are just bits of chaos gods that are ripped off from the whole as subservient, but independent entities. So, it is very easy to just take bits of them by just targeting minor demons. And while it won't mean they will always flee or something, demons are shown to fear anything that can kill them permanently (for logical reasons).
To clarify the extent of the Ork's abilities, Ork's don't just have to imagine it for it to work, They have to believe it too, they can't just make a finger gun and just "Pootis pow" the nearest space marine, they have to believe it works and there have to be enough Ork's that believe it in the first place.
I thin Slanesh is more likely to get some of them. That pride. That quest for perfection. Korn is for rage and bloodlust, but slanesh is for those who enjoy killing, or who need to be the best.
I don't think you can make the chaos gods less evil. The idea of them is, they represent good aspects as well. It's just, they take everything to the extreme because they are never satiated, and always want more. That said, the fact that chaos hasn't won yet is in part because they can be beaten without universe rewriting powers. Just, probably never destroyed unless you replace them with a more controlled god like the Eldar gods, for all of those thought and emotions and conceptual stuff to go to, and do so for everyone in the galaxy. But the Eldar had chaos beaten for thousands of years until they metaphorically and almost literally fucked it up.
Khorne would absolutely love nothing more than to help Denji along the way in 40k. Most Khorne worshippers are attracted to beings that are able to achieve superhuman feats through bloodlust, willpower, and rage alone. Reviewing some of Denji's feats and traits as a half-devil, I wouldn't be surprised if he got a horde of chaos worshippers following him.
I also feel like there would logically be some good people on the Imperium, but Doomguy doesn't wipe out the chaos gods (even if he's fully capable) because that would do more harm to humanity than good. You kill Nurgle and nobody can die, even if you blow them in half. They'll just exist as a perpetually gorey stump person. Or grow so old and full of tumors that they're paralyzed. Kill Tzeentch and nothing can ever change. It's eternal stagnation. Kill Khorne and Slaanesh then you killed passion and pleasure in the universe and everything sucks forever.
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What if kratos Kong and He-Man doom guy Master Chief and guts survive planet hulk add cut the hell with diapers try to conquer Sakura and eternia
Didn't even notice
There was a little mistake 2:06:00
Viltrumites are not planet destroyers. They were never able on their own destroy any planet. They are Multicontinental level destruction that is really freaking fast. And that is all
Would Gon/Yuusuke survive the One Piece world? Or meruem/netero
Yup
God it was so funny to watch the Kratos conversation rapidly devolve into a rant
it was interesting though. i think i like both version of depiction. sort of consider them separate with alternative universe or whatnot
@timexyemerald6290 the canon end for kratos for me will always be him becoming one of the three wise men.
Rouga literally didn't even know what he was saying and it was sad.
@@triplecrosscounterI remember when I read that was the planned outcome of kratos and I couldn’t stop laughing what a bad ending that would be 😂
@triplecrosscounter hear me out: Ragnarök was retconned by early Christians to be the end of paganism but the beginning of the Christian cycle. After the world ends, three beings survive and those are equated to God, Adam and Eve.
Therefore, there's still a VERY slim chance that Kratos can be a wise man.
Plus, the Greek timeline isn't set in any particular time, so with a little cheating, it could match the timeframe.
Vulkan steps up, hugs DG and comforts him over his loss if Daisy.
Everyone wins
YAY
I feel like Doomguy would see the glowing red eyes, shoot first, see a human like corpse, take a few steps only to be hugged from behind and forgiven
The orcs have two gods called Gork and Mork, one is cunningly brutal, and the other is brutally cunning. Which one is which doesn’t matter, and the only reason there’s two of them is so they have someone they can fight. At one point in lore they’re never ending brawl had them basically roll through Korne’s realm and Korne literally ran out of their way.
As for agreeing on things, they all have it programmed into their dna/collective subconscious that red makes things go faster, that bigger makes better, and the better something gets the bigger it’ll get… so if Doom Guy dropped in and started ripping and tearing them apart he’d (slowly) start getting bigger, and faster, and stronger but no one would necessarily notice. (Now this is just my theory, but the reason the emperor is 14’ tall but also once walked among mankind unnoticed is because of the orks. The orks recognize him as “Da biggest an da bestest Humie” and so he has become the biggest and the most powerful. Orks have truth manipulation, they warp reality, and allow for mountains sized mechs to move faster than mechs half their size)
Actually, the emperor could change his physical form at will. He just chose to be a 14' tall menace.
That theory of the Greenskins powering the Emperor isnt true despite how funny it sounds.
The Orks believe the Emperor to be the human's Gork and Mork. They also think the Emperor is a moron since he has his followers build statues and stuff instead of just fighting all the time.
Their ability to warp reality (WAAAGHHH energy) only happens in an aura around the Orks. The more Orks in an area the more powerful their WAAAGGGHHH energy which makes them stronger and also smarter, which gives them the ability to create Gargants.
Also doomguy is green which is "Da bestest color"
@@Xeraghusta "GOD IS A LIE "said the 14ft tall gleaming golden Godman
The thing about Doomguy is he is
BOTH an unstopable force and an imovable object. Doomguy is the only thing they fear. He is inevitable inevitable. Rip and tear until it is done.
Doomguy has a pretty defined morality. When he heard about "Necessery sacrifce" in DOOM2016... He became enraged. For Doomguy both demons and people who "sacrifice" others for greater good are equal targets for elimination.
Your perspective on Kratos in the orginal games is quite interesting and gives me a new angle into why people might not like Norse Kratos. Saying that the original trilogy is a big suicide attempt is beautifully poetic to Kratos in the OG trilogy. I can understand why people think it isnt the same character, especially with the retcons in Valhalla.
However, there is one major element to keep in mind in the OG games. Kratos kept coming back after part one for his vengeance, hell, Zeus putting him out of his misery im the beginning of GOW 2 should have been what he wanted. Instead, he is actually a different character compared to GOW 1. We see it in the very beginning sitting on Ares throne surrounded by women while wearing a new armor. He lays waste to countless cities and purposefully invokes the wrath of the gods because he can. Athena even warns him, but he continues to do so regardless.
Another point to add is that the Gods have kinda always been assholes before Valhalla. I would argue that the OG games aside from maybe 3 give him a justification for his cruel actions. Before the events of GOW 1, Zeus curses Kratos's mother to hide his identity as Kratos's father, robs the only brother he has, leads him down a dark path for power and conquest, all the gods constantly ask for his help yet hes barely given anything in return, and most of these things are BEFORE the recon in GOW3 where the box supposedly made them 'Evil' even though they were debatebly already moral questionable at best.
Still, I love the video, and the debate was pretty damn good. Keep it up man
He learned that Zeus could have stepped in at any time to prevent the entire series from happening, and the fact that Zeus sat on his throne and didn't do anything is part of what set Kratos off. It's why he calls Zeus a coward, because to Kratos, Zeus has lost any right to be worshipped.
In god of war 1 & 2, a decent chunk of the gods he kills deserved it, and actively provoked Kratos into killing them. 3 is when it gets interesting, because Kratos is going out of his way to kill people he knows are close to the Gods. He lets the princess of Atlantis be crushed by the mechanism because it'll hurt Poseidon.
There's some gods that stay out of his way, and some that Kratos doesn't kill (the 2 big ones being Artemis and Aphrodite). The Greek God of War games are the story of a Man becoming a Monster, and the Norse games are of a Monster rediscovering his humanity. I understand why someone might not like that, but I personally find it quite profound, in how Kratos has found an equally unhealthy way of controlling his rage. Compared to constantly unleashing it, he instead bottles that Rage up inside him, presumably for centries, before the fight with Baldur pushes him over the edge.
Personally, if Kratos were to fall to a Chaos God, I think Nurgle would be a shockingly good fit. You might say "but Khorne's all about rage", and whilst that has some element of truth one of the big themes of Nurglite daemons and daemon princes is the cycle of tyranny and abuse, the cycle of men becoming monsters who end up pushing other men into becoming monsters. And that fits for Kratos, as he's existed at ALL points along the cycle at some point. As a Man, as a Monster, an Executioner, a Tyrant, a Boy pushed to vengeance.
well if you think GOW is a suicide attempt that’s a crazy take lol, it was a man that literally had no shot at achieving what he wanted yet still fought and found a way to achieve said goal , only to find out it wasn’t what he really wanted and that he consequently destroyed that entire universe, i think he is underplaying the god of thunder thor if anything lol , kratos never tried to kill himself he tried to kill the gods even if that meant dying himself, and zeus literally KILLED him and sent him to hades, if kratos wanted to be dead he would’ve remained there but guess what, he killed his way out of hell. i understand not liking kratos and bashing him but not when you have no clue what you’re talking ab yet speak as if you’re trying to convince die hard fans that they missed something . like c’mon man just stop😂 not you but him and what he said just is a wild take to me
so if chainsaw man eating part of a devil weakens them
and if each warhammer demon is a fragment of a chaos god
then wouldnt eating a demon permanently weaken the chaos gods regardless of whether he can actually reach any of the top tiers?
That was my thoughts
Yes.
Latest chapters of chainsawman established him to be concepts eraser. He ate ear and mouth demon and literythe next moment every single living thing lost and forgot their mouth and ear exist. He can definitely slowly eat away chaos and even just make the entire universe passive after he eat the 4 chaos gods.
@@DragonChief157yeah I guess he isn’t fully caught up cause when he brought up eating the armor you’d think if he ate armor it would disappear
I feel like him eating them would end up feeding them as well because there really isn't a single thing you can think or do that doesn't.
Doomguy and Khorne don't stalemate. Doomguy kills Khorne and supplants his conceptual purpose. Doomguy would be the new Khorne. I stand by this.
Yea I don't think that ain't gonna work bc both of them can't even die😂 it's basically a never ending battle
Doomguy is a coughing baby, dude.
DG empowers Khorne just by existing
he'll be draining that power to himself. He'll weaken khorne and empower himself at the same time
@@infinityhand6569is this a joke?
Wouldn’t Doom Guy just kill all the little demons and strangle the chaos gods into obscurity?
No, Khorne would absolutely love Doom Guy and would give Doom Guy demons to kill... heck, if anything Doom Guys existance alone would rise power of Khorne.
I think doom guy's existence alone is enough to infinitely feed Khorne
@Hupailija but killing and being around demons makes doomguy stronger and them weaker.
@@muguly4591 why it would make chaos god weaker? if anything most likely doom guy killing demons would make chaos god stronger... they are emotions after all
@@muguly4591except khorne is powered by bloodshed and slannesh is powered by unhealthy fixation which doomguy absolutely has
Finally he did WARHAMMER!!!
FOR THE EMPEROR BROTHER ROUGA!!
Sigmar protect him. 😁
You could consider the humans that exist outside of the imperium as possible innocents for doomguy's requirements to appear. Heck, there are some that are sided with the tau too. I wonder if doomguy would consider the imperium an enemy since they would try to wipe out any xenos aligned or unaligned human civilizations.
I know denji can be a bit tough to scale here but one thing Buster kept saying is that demons are fragments of the chaos gods. Wouldn't that count for denji's ability? He kept saying it and from what you said is all denji has to do is eat a piece of a concept to weaken. Even if it takes forever to do so. I do feel denji would get screwed over by anything that messes with his mind thou.
Still the possibility of colonies that were not reached during the great crusade. Just chilling while everything is in fire outside their system
Denji eating the fragments would damage the concept, but without eating the Chaos God itself, its more like adding a cut to the thousand that were already there
@@Rebel3000From everything I’ve seen, it looks like he must eat the head of that concept to erase.
Imperium will also be one of those targets Doom Slayer will strike!!
Because He hates the concept of Necessary Sacrifice!!
I can see Fulgrim going on and grabbing the Nightmare sword from Soul Calibur series, even if it is less phalic than his prefference...
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I mean, he's definitely brave enough
"Who's world can survive a Xenomorph Invasion" pwease
Didn't see your comment on one of his videos, so I said it for you lol
@@Cosmic_DBD really? Which one?
It would really just be DG and The Viltrumites at the end. Ain’t no way Denji and anyone else is taking on a horde. Kratos maybe, but young Kratos.
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Doom guy would go after anything warp related so he might....might even go after the emperor
He definitely will!!
Can the Destiny Universe survive DOOM's demonic invasion?
This includes the Guardians, Fallen, Hive, Cabal, Vex, Taken, Scorn and Dread.
Those guys go down to basic fucking firearms
Only the Fallen and Cabal are fucked. Everyone else would be fine.
The Taken would do the best, they take the will of anything they take over, allegences dont matter, once your Taken, you belong to the King. You cant even corrupt them because they dont have a soul anymore, and they can escape into a void
could the diablo universe survive the doom invasion?
@sabbathjackal no?
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On the Chainsaw Man discussion: since daemons in Warhammer 40k are just fragments of the greater Chaos Gods, would that mean that eating a normal daemon would be like eating part of them? If so, then even if he's not nearly strong enough to fight them directly, he should be able to steadily depower them and their concepts until they're no longer an issue.
Thoughts?
I don't think the featured guest has ever actually read a 40k novel the more I listen
Khorne doesn't scale to all his followers. He gets a small bit of power from each person, there's just so much bloodshed and shit that he's insanely powerful.
Also the power of the Orks is very limited, they make guns that almost kinda work shittily but their belief carries it that small bit to working. The red color does work but only a little bit.
The Chaos Gods aren't infinitely powerful because their effect in the real world is very limited, which is why they work so often through followers and couldn't face the Emperor directly in the materium.
Also the Ork Gods, Gork and Mork are often considered the most powerful by far because there are so mamy Orks that believe in them but all they ever do is fight each other for fun so they don't really bother with any of the other Gods otherwise they'd basically win immediately.
Also Doomslayer isn't really driven to save the innocent, he was made with a purpose but is otherwise Human, he was a Marine, had a kingdom with the Sentinels and was a Sentinel soldier before that. There's a picture that is implied to be him, with the face torn out and a wife and kid.
In conclusion I believe he kills the Gods but if he can't he would likely carve out a kingdom that no one would ever fuck with.
Also most Primarchs were not Psychers and the Warp isn't made of souls it just is where most souls go.
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Also, Chaos Gods aren't conceptual, war existed before Khorne they're basically just extremely powerful extradimensional phsycic parasites. There are MANY gods and they CAN be killed and wounded. Most of the Eldar gods died and some were shattered into shards or wounded and in hiding. This can happen to the Chaos Gods as well they're just extremely powerful so it's difficult.
Also corruption requires consent. In some way you WILL consent before they corrupt you even if through torture. That's why the Space Marines and Astartes had to be tricked or convinced. Even mortals have resisted by sheer force of will.
Love you content bro, I watch every video but you need to do more research on 40K or reach out to a serious 40K nerd.
Given you have zero earthly idea what yiu are talking about, the idea you have any real authority to be 'UM AkShauLly-ing' people is comical.
1:54:14 yeah I absolutely side with dude on this one nightmare would probably just become a physical manifestation of the warp in such a way as he spreads massive corruption and is super powerful. He is not going to become a being powerful enough to defeat the chaos Gods but he is going to become powerful enough to represent them in the Physical Realm. Basically bro is going to become the primary commander of the chaos Legions haha.
In DOOM 2016, if it is a “remake” in the sense of time travel, how is there not another Doomguy from the original game?
There are 2 standing theories. 1 is that due to Doomguy’s Primordial nature there can only be one of him at any given time. This doesn’t include alternate universe versions of him. The second is that he actually popped out in an alternate universe version of Earth.
I’m inclined to believe the first more than the second as if he was in an alternate universe there would still be an alternate universe version of him there.
The genuine answer thus far is it hasn’t been explained. Hugo has said he wants to release a DOOM Bible that will go over all of the unanswered questions the games bring up. Hopefully that one included.
@@rougarabidmy favorite would be if there was, but that the other doomguy is the weaker unawakened doom guy from doom one and so isn't dead but can't hold back the new argent powered demons invasion and him and the doom 2016 guy just never cross paths or hear about each other.
@@rougarabidfortress of doom
I find it interesting that when it comes to Doom Guy it’s ok to take what the creator says at face value even though it does not show in the games, but for Kratos it’s a different story.
Bad argument. Hugo doesn’t directly conflict with events in the game and when he does I ignore it. Corey CONSTANTLY conflicts with what we see happen in the game.
@@rougarabidalso a big problem is that he can say Norse Kratos beats Greek Kratos all he wants, but they didn’t write or design the original game or characters, Greek Kratos with pure rage and strength would see the old him as another pussy god which needs to be exterminated
Like Corey had no involment in GOW 1, the birth of the character, and his entire foundation
@GOTHERGOAT are you saying that sarcasticly? Bc Cory was the lead animator for god of war 1 the director and story writer for 2 story writer for chain and ghost of sparta and wrote the initial story for 3
@@madniss0336 Corey has been with the series from day 1, and worked on some of the most important points of Kratos' story
Kirby could clean up the 40K universe in like a week tops. I'm being serious, Kirby is basically the essence of all creation incarnated into a being of pure positive emotion. He's a nigh all powerful eldritch god who just wants to make friends, eat tasty food and nap.
Kirby just eats, doesn't matter what or who it is, it is a bottomless pit, that has no limiy
I dont think khorne is strong enough to siphon power/gain power from doom guy. DG is the equal/superior of davoth. Davoth is a multiverseal entity responsible for the creation of the doom multiverse while khorne is basically a parasite sucking energy from a single galaxy/universe.
Also, aren't the tyranids the greatest enemy of chaos and their actions dont empower the chaos gods? Or atleast the cgods cant influence them.
I think Khorne wouldn't gain power from DG himself, but he wouls be empowered by whatever he kills. Not to mention the excessive violence from glory kills would also strengthen Slaanesh. The Gods feed on the defeated just as much as the victors.
Khorne was multiversal. The Khorne in Warhammer Fantasy was the same Khorne as 40k though that probably got retconned at some point.
*Still think Doomguy would win*
@tiggerbane4325 true, but khorne is still basically a parasite.
The chaos gods didn't create the warp they were brought into being into the warp from the collective psychic energy of all life (most all). Davoth "Created" hell and doom multiverse which in my opinion has better scaling than the warp.
Even the icon of sin just manifesting in reality thread to tear apart an entire universe.
I mean I have read that the the chaos gods can effortlessly implode the universe if they so wanted but then they don't get to eat at that point. They created a skein that heavily weakens chaos demons outside of the warp
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(Robbery Bob) Bob
(Scarface: The World Is Yours) Tony Montana
Survive in Arkham City
Does anyone know anymore criminals to put on this list
they would survive, but they would be incredibly maimed and left hanging upside down on a light pole or something until the cops come to lock em up.
It is called the Fortress of Doom
Keep watching.
27:40 is when they figure it out
I greatly appreciate the articulation and civil disagreement about Kratos. got my sub. these discussions are important, not for the topic itself, but for the ability to apply reason and logic conceptually even into fantastic settings.
Wow. You REALLY don't like the time skip developement method.
Kratos survived trying to kill himself then wandered the earth wounded and fell in love with this random miniature giant woman with immense strength who nursed him back to health.
They do explain why throughout the game in background development.
It wasn't a retcon it was a love story that happened off screen. It's the plot of the game to spread her ashes.
I think women might love the heartwarming tale of Kratos learning to love again but I don't think that guys want to play that part.
@@JoshuaEFinley What happened during their love story that changed him? What about Faye changed him?
@rougarabid
Well, for starters, he went from being a man who had lost everything.The love of his life his only child, his brother, his mother, his country, everything that mattered to him in every respect and then at his absolute lowest point after attempting sucide for the 2nd time and failing he eventually finds a woman who not only understood his loss amd his pain, she accepted him for what he was knowing the monster he used to be and loving him anyway, trying to make him a better kinder man that would have a massive effect on even the most cold hearted of men. Hell in the ragnorok dlc he revisits and confronts all the messed up stuff he did in greece and acknowledges he was a evil bastard at the time.
Then they have a child, and he is thrusted back into the role of fatherhood and Kratos is doing his best to be a better person to raise his son that's the entire point of both games.
I thinks that's a pretty big change.
@@rougarabidwhat @hunterskidmore1672 said with the whole Dad of War meme added on.
Kratos has a second chance at being a dad and he's not going to screw it up again. That's pretty realistic and geounded character development. I have personally seen alchoholics go 100% sober just so they can be a good parent, usually on their 2nd or 3rd or 4th kid because they want to stop making mistakes.
Not overnight , u can't go to sleep a person then become another person the next Day, if u change a caracter like that is not the same caracter , let's say in death note u just change Light after a 2y time skip into someone that has the notebook he îs just "yea I can do it , I don't want to make the same mistakes tho" how did u get there why are u there , how tf did u change so much , what miskates ? And then they just make him feel bad before and give reson for his state after the time change by making the back story diffrent . Well yea he did kill they just becuse he wanted something to eat tho he is not him when he is hungry
@noobpower6090 Kratos met Faye as soon as he ended up in Midgard, and he has been in Midgard for 50 years, so they knew each other for a long time. It wasn't overnight it was something that spanned decades.
An element that I'd like to bring up with the Viltrumites, is that they aren't just a group of super strong flying guys with a mentality like the Sayians... But they basically have the genetic capacity to breed with any other alien species that is humanoid at the very least, got the special trait that their hybrids will beocme more Viltrumite-like the older they get as their genes will grow more potent with age...
Plus they are socially compelled to replenish their numbers with other species that are "Viltrumite enough" out of the worlds they have conquered.
With that in mind, how would their interactions with the Eldar, the Empire of Man and the Tau be?
This.... this turned into a argumemt over Kratos
For about 20 minutes. You can use the timestamps to skip it to where we start talking 40K again.
@rougarabid i know, i just found it hilarious, and that it wasnt edited out and made uts own video
A few months back i found a DOOM 40k crossover fanfic called ‘Kar En Tuk’ and it’s quite good, i recomend checking it out
I found it on spacebattles but it was last updated in 2022. Is it still being updated on a different site?
It’s a pretty decent fic I read a couple years back, it does a fairly okay job at balancing the both franchises (but not always since demons are practically treated as re-skinned daemons instead of the walking suns they actually are). Wish it updated though.
Almost every writer puts some of themselves into their characters. Kratos is well written and is very believable based off the og 3 games. There's a ton of written story beats and lore in the game both shown and discovered that only add to his character. Like it's actually hard to miss. Kratos was always a family man and it was only after he lost his first, found vengeance and still had to wander the earth trying to discover he he really wants to be, and after finally facing and accepting his demons, that he learns to BE the father he should've always been. He does that and he still actively struggles with trying to be better while also dealing with the loads of trauma and ptsd that he has from everything he;s been through and done. His character growth is incredibly well done.
Also just cus he actively doesn't give into his rage in every aspect of a fight and learns to fight differently and with people, doesn't make him weaker. Kratos rage was a powerful tool but it blinded him and made him make many mistakes because he wasn't thinking of his actions and the consequences they could bring. This is repeated at length throughout the entire series. Kratos literally still has the power of hope, he inspires all the realms to rise up against Odin and the Asgardians allowing for the realms to finally be free of constant oppression and endless conflict. There's still pockets of conflict but widely most of the realms sit at peace and now work together. How is that not hope? I feel like yah gotta drop some conceived biases and play back through the games or look into the lore that's in the games as well. There's so much of it and it's all pretty consistent.
So, does this mean that difficulty settings are canon to DOOM because Doomguy becomes strong enough to overcome anything?
Rouga finally did a Warhammer vid let's go.
I definitely have a lot of criticisms of the Kratos critique from Rouga. The biggest thing i would point out would be that 2018 took place at least 150 years after 3, which Kratos was between 30-40 years old.
Although Kratos has done some horrible things, especially in Greece, he was never just "evil".
Fatbrett has some amazing videos analyzing all of the GoW characters, including 2 or 3 on Kratos.
No, you can kill the chaos gods without killing reality, no you don't feed khorne just by working out, who tf is this expert, just get lutein or weshammer or something.
Khaine and the emperor both prove that the chaos gods can technically be killed.
This shit is silly, ofc Warhammer has good and innocent people on fuck off agri worlds and civ worlds, in hives ect.
It's unreasonable for me to act like you can just "get" those content creators
Well they ARE conceptual beings, they embody good and evil things at the same time being these parasites. Alongside their mere physical form exist in the warp which in its entirety exist beyond dimensions, space, and time, beyond what even doomslayer could handle. Really the only reason everything isn't dead is straight up because the chaos gods want to continue their games forever.
@@alleywaydude399 they do consume the concepts they subplant but these concepts can exist independently of them with no change, unlike with C'tan. The chaos gods more mantle them (hence parasites as you said) while they hold warp dominance than are them. This is evidence by their being a time before the chaos gods existed and further evidence by the fact that they fear the possibility of death. Physical entities can exist in the warp if they are psychically empowered (evidence by all the imperial aligned people who've done just that, including primarchs, a Grey knight, firehawks). I don't really care for doom, I don't really play the games but the scope of the chaos gods is misunderstood because of memes. If the emperor decided to ascend they were done, even now, individually, he's stronger than any single chaos god.
@@alleywaydude399 I don't play doom, but if iron warriors and entire planets with people on them can exist in the warp, why can't doom guy? Sure he'd have no gellar field or affiliation with chaos (which rarely helps non sorcerer csm anyway they still need gellar fields) but presumably he can still hold form and kill daemons in the warp, id presume the same dimensional traits exist for hell as the warp but again I don't play doom so I didn't comment much directly on that so much on how I feel 40ks lore is being represented by memes in this video
58:12 It seems to me that if Chainsaw Man can get a bite off on one of the lesser demons of a Chaos God, with those demons being a part OF a Chaos God, might become an exponential issue.
I wake up sick as can be and I'm blessed with a video. Perfection
All a part of the plan…
The idea of Doom Slayer falling into 40K and like detecting one child that is purely innocent and just spends her entire with what is basically all of the Custodes wrapped into 1 anger golem protecting her
The way I see it, the demon gods have no choice, but to focus solely on him since he has the ability to wipe out the universe on his own.
Their influence would be weakened greatly due to putting the majority of their focus on keeping doom guy busy.
So while he can’t kill them, he can minimize their effect on everyone else to the point where they don’t have to worry about them anymore.
As for denji, he could possibly affect the chaos gods by simply eating the Demons since they’re fragments of them to begin with, all he would have to do is just keep mowing them down and eating them up to get the desired effect
Given none of this is even remotely true, because the Slayer is utterly irrelevant in the context of 40k, I don't really have any idea what you are babbling about.
@@papapalps2415 I think it’s just parsing out the context of either series, both are pretty hazy on the extend of what either is capable of.
@@Phantomcrustacean Well, no, Doom, at least, is actually pretty clear with what Doomguy can and cannot do.
Hint; it involves him McShooty Shoot-ing the Bad Guys TM with big guns firing hot lead. Or, if he's feeling really spicy, pulling out a energy sword (oooohhhh, how scareweeeyyy) or just going fisticuffs. Absolutely none of which is unironically beyond the level of a single, random Astartes, tbh.
Or, to put this in a way that you, and most other fangirls may understand (although it may also result in popping a vein, but oh, well); absolutely nothing Doomguy does in the history of the series is beyond the level of what a single, somewhat notable Astartes could pull off. The idea he is some unstoppable juggernaut in EVARY SEATTING EVARRR!!! because...uh, he's really KEWLZ, and, like, stuff, is childish and infantile.
@@papapalps2415 So you’re going to be rude, a waste of existence deserving nothing but the void.
Longing to be seen, but never will, a hollow act of intimidation, hiding a cry for help to not disappear from the memory of all, we are nothing but specs in the universe, destin to disappear and most people won’t even know, no one will care, no one will remember the existence you desperately try to place here
The way you described his power of hope, freeing people from the influence of the gods, sounds like it's a cure for chaos corruption. And if people aren't worshiping the chaos gods, sacrificing things to them, indulging in their concepts and emotions to the extreme, etc, it won't starve the chaos gods, but they will have a fraction of the power they once did.
Unfortunately, even in the Horus Heresy, which was one of the most involved in the mortal world, most of their attention and power was for battling each other in the Warp, so it will mostly be that the galaxy now has a way to avoid demonic corruption and chaos will mostly just be demons appearing during warp storms or possessing psykers, rather than organizations of heretics and stuff.
The thing with chaos gods is that before the war on heaven they didn’t exist or weren’t the corrupt evil gods they are currently. I feel like if doomguy can actually wipe out enough evil in the universe and make it more peaceful he could in turn make the gods un corrupt since they also have good aspects to them. That’s easier said than done but I believe is still a possibility.
I clicked on this solely because of The Darkness.
I wonder how Dante & Vergil from Devil May Cry will fare in Warhammer 40K.
Specifically, their DMC5 selves because obviously they're at their strongest in that game, until DMC6 gives them some new toys anyway.
I imagine the majority will not trust the twins because of their half demon natures, and the daemons might hate them because of their human halves among other things.
Honestly even if we don’t take Cory’s words into consideration Kratos still has better feats in the new games. The most you can scale Kratos to before was multiversal and that was because his fight with Zeus who beat the titans, who beat the primordials and then eventually overpowered him, however Thor just fighting jormangandurr was splintering the World Tree which supports ALL of creation and transcends time and space and that was just a byproduct of their fight. You make it sound like Thor wouldn’t have killed younger Kratos as well which he would because he is just so much physically stronger than younger Kratos. Valkyries are said to move just as fast as Hermes and casually and older Kratos can easily keep up and defeat them all. The Only thing younger Kratos has over current Kratos is that he has more magical abilities.
Buster McTunder is a great name
As to the retcon of Kratos, I view it like this. Despite the fact we are playing as Kratos and seeing the world through his perspective, we are also meant to absorb the Norse perspective. Gods and Demogods have their stories changed to fit the landscape. Loki and the Jotunn were not originally part of Norse mythology, they were added to explain encountering other cultures. This is how mythology works.
There is absolutely NO WAY the Doom lore enthusiast is saying that God of War's story is bad when all the story of those games is just demons randomly spawning into a place and Doomguy killing with random books of garbage lore all over the place 😐.
Regardless of that, the games never retconned the events of GoW as your guest stated several times,any of the 'changes' is simply a new perspective to his actions;and he is never forgiven for them despite the new perspective. Additionally, they didn't retcon his reasons. He's simply grown as a person and is now better able to analyze his past and find the core of those events, unlike in the original games where he was blinded
On top of that, he literally did stab himself to release hope into the world. Athena showed up taking about taking the power and ruling the world and realizing she'd be no better than other gods he released hope
Never have I said Doom has a good story.
Go replay the originals.
This coming from a guy who defends God of War despite acknowledging DOOM's flaws?
My favorite version of this is sticking the doctor and his Tardis in 40k
My guy would single handedly solve most of the main problems of this galaxy.
So say with Slenesh, if Denji eats Slenesh, the idea of Exess no longer exists. Its like if he ate the Sex Devil, sex was never a thing. So Nurgle, well disease just never was a thing. The common cold never existed.
This is neat idea, but in Warhammer 40k it’s the C’tan who truly embody those concepts and it’s if they truly die that things get deleted across reality. The chaos gods and their daemons are more like reality cancer than the devils Pochita munches on.
@@thibaultl1956 Devils are also don't embody concepts they just tied to the fear of that concept
Demons also are tied to concepts so the eraser should work
@@ranmoses2553 okay but this idea gets really odd because there’s overlap between what the C’tan embody and what the Chaos Gods feed off of. Like if Tzeentch was somehow erased by Pochita what would happen to the Deceiver? If the deceiver gets retconned the entire setting doesn’t happen and humanity might never have existed. And would everything and everyone just be frozen forever since Tzeentch feeds off of the future and change?
@@thibaultl1956 that kind the point, if Pochita fully eats one of the chaos gods the setting is gone everything will change so much that it might as well not be 40k
That’s just assuming denji is strong enough to even reach any of the chaos gods.
I want to put a Xeelee (the Xeelee sequence) into 40k, just to see how the factions react to this indestructible godlike being, that’s just kinda minding its own business.
Quick addendum: Every daemon is a part of its chaos god, so every time Denji McChainsaw eats a daemon, he kills it forever and weakens both the god, and the concepts their gods represent simultaneously. This is a drop in the bucket, mind you, but it's better than temporarily banishing them, and increases his personal power with every kill. I guess he's kind of like Doom guy that way?
I am pretty sure that Chainsaw Man's concept erasure ability only works on Devils that embody that fear though. So like if the Chainsaw Devil was sent into the 40k verse and ate a Bloodthirster for example, the concept of "rage" or "bloodlust" wouldn't be erased cause it isn't a Devil, its a Daemon. So to really get the full power of Denji/Pochita you would have to pretty much crossover the Devils and Hell dimension of the CM verse in to 40k verse as well, which would get pretty wild. Just like you guys mentioned with the Chainsaw Devil, most devils are going to get a crazy power boost and you would see the creation of new devils like the Xenos Devils, Heresy Devil, ect. So if the War Devil and Blood Devil existed in the 40k verse and Chainsaw Man ate them, then Khorne is going to be having very bad time to say the least. Like its probably wont outright kill the Chaos Gods but Chainsaw Man erasing Devils and thus concepts that they embody is going to severely nerf their power and influence.
Both devils and daemons work in the same way (they are tied to a consept and get power from it)
@@ranmoses2553 Yeah, devils and daemons are similar entities with both of them being spawned from the emotions/concepts of mortals and being strengthened by them but they are still different entities that have different place of origin, powers, abilities etc. So unless we are using verse equalization with CM devil and 40k daemons, then Chainsaw Man concept erasure should not affect daemons.
@@smuggrog9821 The eraser works because devils are tied to consepts
What you are saying is like saying that superman can't get powers from a sun in marvel even if that sun works 100% the same as a dc sun
The main part is there, it doesn't matter that they have diffrent origin
Sci Fi Universes vs Halo Flood Invasion
Gears of War
Cyberpunk
Fallout
Mass Effect
Starfield
Star Wars
Killzone
Helldivers
Star Trek
Starcraft
Does anyone know anymore sci fi universes to put on the list
Nice vid about if norse kratos is a good or bad character altho idk why you began and ended the vid with warhammer clearly its a debate vid about kratos
It’s only 20 minutes and I separated it in the timestamps
@@rougarabid hey fun fact jokes exist it's a funny 20 mins
Doom guy the greatest ultramarine to ever live even changed his name to the boltgun game protagonist
If the opportunity ever arises, you should do more debatey shit like that God of War convo. That was great, lol
This video is fun, but I think it vastly overestimates how common Daemons are and how conflict prone Warhammer is, as odd as I know that sounds. There are plenty of innocent people and just entering into the warp isn't exactly something easy to do. When humans do that in Master of Mankind they get dissembled to something less than atoms, without some sort of protection you cease to be. It's not like a warp storm, being inside of a ship with a broken Gellar Field, or the eye of Terror that is so often confused with the Warp - it's a violent infinite ocean of souls, emotions, and monsters.
And another thing, contrary to what some books say (Yeah... it's like that. At this point Warhammer is only outclassed by Comics when it comes to contradictions) not all Daemons are parts of the Gods. They can be created by intense emotional events like the Gods were, which does ensure that there will always be something in the Warp and it will usually be daemonic because Warhammer 40k is so messed up. I could talk about how the several ways in which some Warhammer characters can time travel, but that's such an astounding convoluted topic that I don't even want to get into it.
Kratos character did not change that drastically from 3 he was always a family man he was tricked into killing his daughter and killed a god(ares) then with pandora after he started traveling with her he cared enough for her to refuse to kill her even if killing her gave him the power to kill Zeus and the character arc from GOW3-4 was mainly in the comics. Like doom guy he completed his goal in killing greek gods but unlike doom guy he has to continue living after
I feel like doomguy becomes the 6th chaos god of persistence.
Open World/Survival Characters vs Ark
(BOTW) Link
(TOTK) Link
(Minecraft) Steve and Alex
(Minecraft) Default Skins
(Subnautica) Ryley Robinson
(Subnautica: Below Zero) Robin Ayou
(The Forest) Eric LeBlanc
(Sons of the Forest) Jack Holt
(Horizon) Aloy
(Fallout 3) Lone Wanderer
(Fallout: New Vegas) The Courier
(Fallout 4) Sole Survivor
(Fallout 76) Vault Dwellers
(7 Days to Die) Survivors
(Rust) Players
(Terraria) Terrarians
(Don’t Starve Together) Characters
(Raft) Players
(Stranded Deep) Players
(Green Hell) Jake Higgins
(Satisfactory) The pioneers
(Conan Exiles) Players
(Fortnite: Save the World) Heroes
(LEGO Fortnite) Characters
(Scrap Mechanic) Mechanics
Does anyone know any other open world /survival game characters to put on the list
All I know is that Doomguy would have an insane arsenal. The best of the Imperium's *Extensive* arsenal, the high sci-fi pulse weapons from the Tau, the Necrons insta-kill Gauss weapons it'd be a pc only nightmare and infinitely powerful weapon set
My favorite portion of this video is the argument with kratos. Absolutely excellent.
Yeah, I was worried this would be annoying when I got to this, but I can see both sides on this one.
Unless GW has come out with new info, The chaos gods are most definitely not conceptual beings.
Think of them as similar malicious concentrations of the thoughts and emotions coming together after millions of years and give the sentience.
That is what they are.
Mere thought beings.
No, they pretty definitively are conceptual entities, at least in some manner; they aren't quite pure conceptual beings ala the Abstracts from Marvel, or the Endless from DC, but they aren't just random entities calling themselves gods, either.
@@papapalps2415 that's exactly what they are, just not as random. it's just that in 40k, they have enough to mess reality on a galactic scale, making them powerful.
@@DaddyVeo1911 They aren't, no. They very much do embody concepts, to a certain extent. It's also not a matter of them 'just' being in one galaxy; the Warp is explictly and unambiguously multiversal, and we know the Gods have influence in other universe's.
Corn… the ruler of chaos is a vegetable.
Dear god
Also the chainsaw man part is just both being “well, actually it wouldn’t work” “no it would work”
43:52 actually Khorne could also destroy his universe in a fit of rage if Slaanesh pisses him off enough
I don't view the Chaos gods as really universal or multiversal. So what if they could have a small portion of themselves travel to another separate reality somehow if Warhammer Fantasy is counted? If mainly just because the Warp or the realms of magic are connected to each other and the Chaos gods aren't really conceptual beings they are more like a massive manifestation of collective Warp energies with awareness from certain actions that empower them from living beings with souls who have connections to the Warp. That wouldn't count for living beings from sections of the universe or other realities where the Warp doesn't exist yet life still does. And in Warhammer Fantasy those chaos gods are very much weaker then the 40k ones. Even the 40k Chaos gods have limits to their power and there are things which are more powerful then them like Gork and Mork who stronger then 4 combined and things which exist outside the Warp that they fear and don't understand like the Well of Eternity. If the 40k galaxy was destroyed the Chaos gods would starve to death and slowly vanish away. There are some Necron superweapons that could do that like the Breathe of the Gods if that weapon had been fully operational and activated the Milky way would have been destroyed along with everything in it.
There is also the matter the Dark King who just like Gork and Mork is said to become more powerful the 4 Chaos gods and physically destroy the Milky Way making the Warp in this galaxy boil for millions of years. And there are the unheard of Omega Plus Psyker class that probably dominate the Chaos gods along with everything else in the Warp we know of in Warhammer 40k because not even the War In Heaven made anything that powerful. Even a weaken and depleted Khaine was able to fight off a new born and powerful amp Slaanesh for a good while before Khorne interfered. So there are power gap differences in the Warp.
Time still does exist in the warp but it is more like it is Fluid and all distorted however time still exist in this parallel reality. Even when Tzeentch at the height of his power before he shattered his powerful warp staff fought the strongest daemon to challenge him the daemon king Yssarile for what was describe as a period of a billion Warp years. So time does exist in the Warp in a chaotic and paradoxal way but it doesn't completely transcend time. Chaos gods are also limited to their territory that the Warp is available at. Even the full complete C'tans in the Milky Way of the War in Heaven were fighting alot of powerful Eldar and Krork Warp designed beings and able to hold their own for a time. So the C'tan were relative to the Warp beings of those times.
I would rank the Chaos gods as on now galaxy tier in the comprehensive energy scale. But they still rank beneath Gork and Mork, the Dark King, and a Omega Plus Psyker. Chaos gods can be killed but it's hard to do so and very tricky. However pit the Chaos gods against some the Xeelee from Xeelee Sequence or the Quantum Angel from Doctor Who or the Faction Paradox powerhouses they lose badly. Especially since in their settings the Warp doesn't exist so they would not able to manipulate or gain any Psykic energy from them.
Warhammer 40k would struggle extremely badly against the powers that can and will exist in the Stellaris Gigastructure Engineering and Ancient Cache of Technologies mods.
For Chainsaw man, if the little demons are fragments of the Chaos Gods, wouldn’t eating them function the same as eating them directly? If it does, it would weaken the Gods, but definitely not as much as the War Demon, as it’s just a fragment.
It should work like that.
Something like this make me wonder what will happen if chainsaw man eat Drach'nyen?
I could see that, but can we stop and talk about how strong the primal devils would be of they were in war hammer 40k...
Like holy fuck in a universe that knows only war the war devil would just become a new chaos God at that point...
@@wander-0014 Well the falling devil while being in a weak state could cause earthquakes all around the world just by existing
(chainsaw man is set in the 1997 to 1999 and had devils kill people for a while now)
So the primal fears should be in the multi-galaxy to universe level of power
The chaos gods have an infinite amount of daemons and more always continue to be created even if you killed a billion a second it would not be noticable
@@UpperNileGuy they don't have a infinite amount of demons if they did, They would a have won a long time ago and every battle in the warp would have gone on forever
(demons can't normally die so the chaos gods don't lose any soldiers so it just look like they have infinite demons)
it also implies that the chaos gods have infinite power something we know is false
There are innocent folks on agriworlds and paradise planets.
If you take into consideration the fact that daemons are created from fragments of the chaos gods then each time chainsawman eats a demon of korne he would be eating an extremely smal piece of the chaos god of war, and that will very slowly weaken the concept of war and at the same time weakening korne and all his daemons, daemon prince’s and champions simultaneously, making it easier to eat more daemons of korne, if he follows that cycle for a few tens of thousands of years nonstop eventually korne will be weakened enough to be completely eaten by the chainsawman, that will erase the concept of war from existence which will rewrite the entire universe timeline so all wars in history never ever happened in the first place, including the war in heaven between the necrons and the old ones, preventing the eldary, the orks and chaos itself from being born in the first place. Denji would be the best thing to ever happen to humanity in that universe.
Okay so if Doom Slayer has the ability to will whatever power he needs then wouldn't he be able to will into existence the power to end everything and restart it all without the chaos gods?
If chainsaw man eats a regular person is their entire existence erased? I'm asking causes I have no idea.
LETS GO KREIGSMAN! (I dunno if theyre mentioned, but I love them)
I want to say that 40K already has spirit/corrupting swords that are very similar to Nightmare, and they slap HARD in-setting. Like the sword that corrupted the Primarch Fulgrim was being possessed by a soul-eating greater daemon.
I think Nightmare would certainly be the most powerful sword in 40K, but in essence he would basically be just a very OP daemon sword even if he's not technically a daemon.
Man doomguy might just end up as a champion of chaos undivided kinda crazy because that's the only way he gets one over on the emperor
1:05:59 So it's basically an Ocuasu and The Hand situation.
I think maybe y'all were thinking of ANGRON around 4min mark as he was the collector for KHORNE with his axes Gorefather and Gorechild
In defense of denji, the Demons in 40k are fragments of the Gods powers, so by eating a nurglings, he's eating nurgel
I think this is my favorite video from your channel
Bro really doesn't understand the warp if he thinks ben 10 restarting a universe would do anything to the warp.
Just starting, but, IS THAT JACKIE ESTACADO!?
MY MAN!
He wasn't syphoning power form the chaos gods. He got the secrets (and maybe power) to make the primarchs from them, in some sort of broken pact or trick.
The whole kratos section became a debate..... I didn't know that's what I was signing up for but I was just begging for it to go to the next character lmao
There are timestamps that separate the debate from the 40K discussion so you can skip it if you want.
@@rougarabid I watched it all man. It was a great video
Remember there is a full power C'tan the Outsider in a sphere that being killed multiple other elements of reality meaning other C'tan and dozens of mini gods the Old Ones with no issue so. Other then maybe Doom Guy and Darkness, nobody beats that on this list.
Demons are just bits of chaos gods that are ripped off from the whole as subservient, but independent entities. So, it is very easy to just take bits of them by just targeting minor demons.
And while it won't mean they will always flee or something, demons are shown to fear anything that can kill them permanently (for logical reasons).
To clarify the extent of the Ork's abilities, Ork's don't just have to imagine it for it to work, They have to believe it too, they can't just make a finger gun and just "Pootis pow" the nearest space marine, they have to believe it works and there have to be enough Ork's that believe it in the first place.
I thin Slanesh is more likely to get some of them. That pride. That quest for perfection. Korn is for rage and bloodlust, but slanesh is for those who enjoy killing, or who need to be the best.
Fun video, would love to see more of buster here!
If the lesser demons are just fragments of the chaos gods. Wouldn't that mean that chainsaw man could hurt them by eating the lesser demons.
Trazyn: A fine additions to my collection.
Buster McTunder I know this youtuber I’m subscribed to him I wasn’t expecting a crossover neat
I don't think you can make the chaos gods less evil. The idea of them is, they represent good aspects as well. It's just, they take everything to the extreme because they are never satiated, and always want more. That said, the fact that chaos hasn't won yet is in part because they can be beaten without universe rewriting powers. Just, probably never destroyed unless you replace them with a more controlled god like the Eldar gods, for all of those thought and emotions and conceptual stuff to go to, and do so for everyone in the galaxy. But the Eldar had chaos beaten for thousands of years until they metaphorically and almost literally fucked it up.
Khorne would absolutely love nothing more than to help Denji along the way in 40k. Most Khorne worshippers are attracted to beings that are able to achieve superhuman feats through bloodlust, willpower, and rage alone. Reviewing some of Denji's feats and traits as a half-devil, I wouldn't be surprised if he got a horde of chaos worshippers following him.
Imagine if Abeloth from Star Wars was somehow banished to the 40K universe as if things weren’t bad enough with chaos and tyranids.
Now I want an episode of Death Battle in which Kazuya Mishima fights against Nightmare.
There is the question of, if the chainsaw devil can erase concepts if it doesn't have a devil for it.
Doomguy would become canonized as an Imperial saint and grow in power off of the mass belief of the Imperium, sorta like Saint Celestine.
I also feel like there would logically be some good people on the Imperium, but Doomguy doesn't wipe out the chaos gods (even if he's fully capable) because that would do more harm to humanity than good.
You kill Nurgle and nobody can die, even if you blow them in half. They'll just exist as a perpetually gorey stump person. Or grow so old and full of tumors that they're paralyzed.
Kill Tzeentch and nothing can ever change. It's eternal stagnation. Kill Khorne and Slaanesh then you killed passion and pleasure in the universe and everything sucks forever.
The most important thing that I learned here, is that The Darkness and Witchblade share a universe.