Thing about the Tyrannid hivemind taking him over, is this exact thing he was able to overcome with Nanomech, a creature made by the omnitrix from the DNA of a biomechanical hivemind, and became a sort of solo hive So he'd either become a solo Tyrannid able to hear the hive but be able to resist the commands, or even become a competing consiousness for the hive EDIT: Damn, someone beat me to this
@@AAhmoui can imagine the fucking tyrannid hive mind going "oh shit" when Ben discovers where it is and literaly diverting ALL tyrannid forces in the galaxy to try to stop him
Ben's mental fortitude would have to surpass a space marine to even remain alive if he became his own opposing hive mind because of the sheer mental strain it would take on him.
@@yorukage5926 that's no problem for Ben then. The Omnitrix protects Ben from such problems hence why he can act separately even though some alien forms he transformed into only operate through a hive. There were times when it forced Ben to follow, but he always resisted and acted on his own. For example, Ghost Freak.
UNSC Super Mac Platform: "Three times the yield of the atomic bomb? That's pathetic here at the UNSC we develop mac guns that range in the megatons and gigatons of force. You will never beat the Covenant's starships with merely 30 kilotons."
@@JohnLevi-t1wtbf, I think both technologies are the way there are because of the way their galaxy is before hand In Mass Effect, most civilized species rarely if ever feel the need to use nukes and orbital rounds, as they are largely seen as unethical. Therefore, they haven’t really advanced too much. Meanwhile, in Halo, the UNSC had to develop their cannons to be powerful because it was the only way to defend yourself against the Covenant, who were actively willing to die to kill people. War tech evolves as is needed. I know this is mostly a joke, but I just wanted to point it out. Sorry if it came across as rude or anything, that was not my intent :)
@@aperson3996 The UNSC were developing many of those weapon systems even before the Human-Covenant war to defeat the Insurrection. I understand what you are saying but realistically see where that stagnant mindset got them when the Reapers invaded. Had they actually still had access to a large stockpile of prepare ballistic nuclear sites a lot more Reaper capital ships with their weak Kinetic shields by UNSC and Covenant standards would be taken down upon impact and detonation. Had they simply invested in some defensive arrays and platforms. Besides every government wants to keep their weapons development departments ongoing and classified upon the highest orders. The Reapers are a very stagnant force themselves all things considered. In canon they lived for a billion years yet don't even have capital ships that can compared to a Covenant Cruiser in advantages and efficiency. They literally didn't develop any other technologies in all that time. That's quite bad. Their mindset and assumption is really dumb all things considered. Due to the amount of high risks it would realistically be and not go according to plan.
@@JohnLevi-t1w Oh no, I get what you mean. Sorry if my post sounded too “well acksshuly” like. I’m not trying to justify the Council and Reapers being stagnant and all that. Im just trying to point out that both take place in seperate universes with separate needs. I’m just used to people thinking that if one fictional universe has more powerfful stuff than another, that that somehow makes the less powerful universe worse. I think powerscaling this kinda stuff for fun is really cool! Its just Im used to people taking it really seriously. Again, didn’t mean to come off as an ass, sorry if I did.
Honestly, not even sure about the trauma aspect. As much as I rag on Ben being the loser Hal Jordan stepped in, he wouldn't be traumatized because he comes from a decently developed superhero verse and is thusly no stranger to all kinds of unpleasant stuff and gotten through it and because Ben honestly doesn't have time to bleed because he's honestly not the brightest bulb in the box so he's liably to be stupidly upbeat anyways.
I liked your comment, but he was just fine after his entire universe was erased, and he had to recreate it with some minor changes. A couple genocides and all-out war probably wouldn't faze him.
Based on what I saw in Alien Force and Ultimate Alien, Ben 10 would turn into Doctor Who and END almost anything that tries stopping him from fixing the Grimdark Universe. Remember when he set the Omnitrix to self-destroy, Vilgax cried he was bluffing, and he LET the watch explode in Vilgax's face? When he almost killed Kevin for being too much of a threat? The fact that, as Ben 10.000, he pummeled Vilgax into something that looks like an inside-out cockroach? THAT is the Ben Tennyson the Grimdark Universe will be dealing with. All Hail Ben 40.000, the Omni-Emperor of Milky Way Galaxy.
@@StarboyXL9 He kind of did with nanites in the movie alien swarm. That's how nanomech came to be. I can't remember if the nanites are completely alien though.
At minimum, Kirby becomes a Chaos God of hope. At most he just eats everything. What’s even funnier to think about is that if he did eat everything he would just contain the universe within himself.
Imagine Ben trying to make peace with all the factions by turning into them as an act of diplomacy. He is an Emperor, a Krork, a necron, a star god, a warp god, an old one... Like ben once said "I'm one of every kind"
I can see ben doing that for the eldar. It would be hard for the imperium ironically though since it's the imperium. Unless ben is personally talking to guilliman himself.
@@jonathanathor117 I was thinking that. Him allying with Guiliman, eventually meeting with Big E which causes Ben to decide that Big E is not always right and be forced to act Icognito from then. I would also love to see Ben transform into Grey matter and easily start fixing the golden throne. Or him dwarfing a Bio-Titan as way big and annihilating it ('cause way big is a living walking Exterminatus)
the destroyer yes, cus its just a glitch, the flayer no the flayer virus exists as a consequence of killing a ctan he either has to ressurect the ctan or erase his existance tho the necrons that wouldnt want to return to flesh would likely be the destroyers
@joshuamartinez6722 technically yes, but the attempt left the Maynarkh dynasty, at the time one of the most powerful dynasties in the WIH, utterly devastated. It also erased the concept the Flayer represented from reality and brought about the flayer virus
@@joshuamartinez6722 it was also likely accomplished through some manner of superweapons, the ones that The Silent King destroyed and erased the blueprints for prior to the great sleep
I am of the opinion that the other two alien x personalities would take one look at the state of the galaxy, and promptly hand over the reins to ben without so much as a peep of protest.
Bro they signed off reluctantly on the death of the dinosaurs when we first met them just so intelligent life could begin on earth. If they saw the tyranids they would immediately pull out a divine can of bug spray.
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2brwell yeah I dont think a kid could handle putting the universe back together atom by atom, they were definitely the ones doing the recreating, they just let Ben decide to go through with it since they would just argue forever without him
Couple notes. 1. Even IF Ben scanned an Ork and became an average Ork, the intelligence wouldn't be a problem, considering orks are about on par with a transformation like Rath. Plus, he can become things like Wildmutt, which are closer to a wolf or dolphin in terms of intelligence, so he'd be fine. 2. As for becoming a Tyranid... I'd be willing to debate if Ben were to transform, it'd be similar to a Tyranid Queen, effectively being his own central hive. However, if he didn't become a queen, yea, there'd be problems. 3. Incorrect on the mutant thing. There's a failsafe on the omnitrix to prevent mutant transformations to prevent bodily harm to ben's DNA. If it were to be removed, however, yes, he could become a space marine or custodes. Aside from that, this is a great video!
Considering the Omnitrix's original intentions as a device, the restriction on mutants is probably just an arbitrary limitation. The omnitrix is meant to preserve alien species, and grant its wearer the chance to walk in another species's shoes, each transformation is basically a "representative" of that species, it wouldn't make much sense to include mutants as they don't represent what the species as a whole is.
Honestly if the Omnitrix already considers one species as 2 despite their genétic diferences being so minor it literally just changes their skin pigmentation, i believe that it would recognise any geneticly modify being as It's own species as long as the modifications don't left any damage strands of DNA(nevermind i'm wrong and don't know what I'm talking abaut)
@@tadeolaguarda6965 there's more to speciation than skin pigmentation being different, it comes down to genetics. Two species could look identical on the outside, but be clearly distinct once you look at their DNA, this is the case for the 3 different varieties of Zebra roaming Africa. Yes, there's 3 species of Zebra, the only visible difference is their stripe pattern, and they are their own separate species genetically.
Being a mutant in warhammer is kinda bad Psykers will constantly bring Chaos to them Blanks will cause everyone to Jill themselves bcs of their aura. That’s without mentioning both genes cause severe mental instability and the last time a peak blank gene was formed he was thrown out into the sun in order to not kill the emperor itself
The coolest part about Ben being in the 40K universe isnt even the powerscaling but rather how many lives he could cure and how many would pledge their allegiance thanks to the Omnitrix
So it's the omnitrix saving the universe, not Ben. Without the watch, he aint worth squat unfortunately. The only reason he can do anything really, is because someone else made a Godly weapon/ tool. Not to mention, if someone else figures out the Omnitrix (which they could realistically do, and faster than a 10 year old), he's basically useless. People give too much credit to the all powerful watch, and not enough to the cunning of man/ xenos.
@@Count_Wankula Ben is not useless without the watch, simply limited to human capabilities. What is even your point here? You are just saying that a superhero stripped of their powers are weak, true but meaningless.
@@gerald2508 The argument isn't Ben 10 vs. 40k... it's just The Omnitrix vs. 40k. Ben is still just a human at the end of the day, he needs to sleep, eat and shit.... VULNERABILITIES that ANY foe with intelligence would exploit. Or, as usual he'd be dumb enough to hand the Omnitrix over, thinking no one could unlock it... and that's superhero syndrome. He thinks he's the best, because he has the best tool in the galaxy. Ben wouldn't save even half the races of 40k... Necrons, possible, but not after all the shit they've done... He'd exterminate them. The same goes for the Drukhari & Chaos. Btw, I doubt the Omnitrix would be able to convert chaos... it's a little more than just "dark energy". Chaos corrupts, that is its sole purpose, the Omnitrix would just corrupt him a little better. THERE IS NO "BEN CAN SOLO THE UNIVERSE"... the universe will fight back, and fighting is what THIS universe is good at. The warp is not as simple as you would think. And being a superhero with a "cheat tool" is just lame af imo. I liked the alien forms as a kid, not the little shit with the watch. What's the point of writing a hero that always comes out on top, no matter the odds, and when shit gets really bad, the watch has an auto "oh fuck" button that serves as Ctrl + Z. It's pointless. Pitting the universe of unending war vs. a cartoon with a cheat watch... like, how the fuck would this be a comparable debate?
@thefool5302 Again... great tool... used by a tool... what's the argument with that? Take a moment to think about this from both sides... you all just go "yeah, the cartoon will win"... You have no idea of the sheer scale of 40k, or the Tech utilized by both the discovered and undiscovered alien races. Do you know how powerful some of the entities are in 40k? Who's to say that the omnitrix is inviolable, didn't they corrupt it or something at one point? Or am I thinking of an alt omnitrix? Either way, this isn't black and white... and saying he can revert time or Alien x his way out of any situation is just lazy writing. There are places in 40k that would rip the soul out of your body for merely trying to comprehend what you are seeing, litteraly. I doubt the watch is gonna fix his spirit. Again, it's not so clear cut, and neither you nor I will ever see this proven either way. It's fantasy, and the shit argument of "My fantasy is better than yours" is simply childish. This would be more entertaining if the video was about "which alien would be best against which faction, and why (without using the same alien twice). That would make for a more reasonable argument. It's like saying 1v1 man vs. Frog... the only way that frog wins, is with fucking poison... and now you say, but wait... the MAN HAS AN IMPENETRABLE SUIT... like... really?
"politely tells" is a very odd way of spelling "rewrites reality and unspools the fabric of spacetime to re-weave it into a form in his own image" but to each their own.
He first has to have agreement with the personalities before he can use Alien X. Better choices would be using a Galvan, Brainstorm, Clockwork, Diamond matter, or Copying the Emperor of Mankind 😅
Khorne: why did my Daemon just turn into a c'tan? And why does this c'tan seem to be abnormally strong? Wait, now he's a floating black star speckled humonoid. Am I dreaming or is he staring directly at me after he transformed into this species I've never seen before?
@@tineresnt5505 Yeah he's good at science and has noble dreams but, he really has no idea how to actually pull any of it off. Even his science is held back by this.
@@Merilirem It's really funny/sad that someone so smart, that does such amazing things, can't really focus his efforts properly. He made a whole powerful sentient race on accident! He made a sword that with enough power could cut all evil out of the universe! If only he wasn't so high and mighty maybe he could ask what people need instead of making universal level shit.
Imagine Ben turning into an Ork, blending in with the other Orks and them calling him one of the "Weird Boyz" but they respect him because the biggest ork.
I imagine Ben scanning ork DNA and the Omnitrix going "genetic decay detected repairing" and he becomes a krork But not even any krork, the biggest and baddest krork of them all, the literal prime of the entire species
Ok, I did some research, and to the 2 people in the comment section, thank you for your input, but aren't krorks just larger orks? Like without that armor, they're just big smarter orks.
@@FlameBinder55 Krorks were 12 meter tall, Apex warriors, who could perfectly harness their warp abilities for combat and were tactical geniuses, who also were hand crafted by the old ones. They were and are the perfect weapon
Fun fact: Ben legally owns the planet Earth after winning a combat trial, he's also betrothed to a warrior princess after a misunderstanding about a similar combat trial, so on technicality he's a prince by the right of combat
Ben: Alright you prick! I don't know how you got your Ass on my chair! But I don't care so I don't beat your Ass up and reclaim my planet a second time!
"Big B" depends on if the Emperor is different enough genetically to be registered in the Omnitrix as a separate species from humans (the Omnitrix won't let you transform into the same species)
@@SpamorammA oh OK thanks for explaining instead trying to bite my head off. Seriously I try asking or explaining something and people get so angry. Thank you.
2:09 to be exact, by the end of omniverse, the omnitrix contains one million nine hundred and eleven samples of dna... assuming i'm remembering the math correctly
@@BreakyOnline due to the way time works in ben 10 , everytime he learns his future it changes. pre reset he did not have that. It was a custom thing ben 10k made with all his smartest aliens
@@BreakyOnline if you mean master control, then no*, not in the series proper. thiugh azumuth, the creator of the omnitrix, did say ben might get it fir his 18th birthday
I like the idea that somehow Ben could go about scanning aTyrranid WITHOUT his alien form being a part of the existing hivemind. It would start small and evolve every fight, just lots of fun potential there. I really like the idea of a rogue tyrranid taking on the hive 😅
Nanomech specifically is a technoorganic example of the Omnitrix basically saying "can't make one of this species without it being controlled by the hivemind? Hold my galvanic beer."
@@theendersmirk5851indeed so he would have insane abilities but I’m not sure if the omnitrix would see the mutation/upgrade as genetic tampering and reset tyranid transformation after each switch. I can also see the ultimate tyranid just being like a second hivemind.
@@kingmarshallofthelightside8892 the real question is "aren't there those gods the Tyrannids have been running away from that are, like, Star sized? Can Ben turn into one of those?"
Also, I'm reminded of OSP a bit the further the video goes on. "If you take a Grimdark Setting and you put a Hero in it. it doesn't fit. Either the whole world bends around them through the sheer force of their protagonist-ness and un-grimdarks the setting, or the Grimdark wins and they die, usually very nastily."
Callidus assassin stares at Ben. Ben stares at Callidus assassin. "Wait, your time limit isn't weird and arbitrary and you can actually choose what you become consistently?" "Wait, your transformations aren't cripplingly painful and can be performed without a ton of specialist training?" Simultaneous: "So jealous."
This would be a fantastic series of novels. A good hearted boy with immense power shoulders the galaxy size responsibility of trying to end the endless wars of the grim darkness of the far future, because he knows he is the only that has any chance of actually doing it.
Iquisitor: "So, son, you have this item that transforms you into various xenos?" Ben: "Yeah, that's about right." Inquisitor: "PURGE THE XENO! GET HIM!"
Although Ben has physical ability in spades. I believe his smart and technological aliens like gray matter, brainstorm, Juryrigg and Upgrade are the deciding factor.
@@franciscorui Upgrade is the peak of his entire species so I'd assume his DNA would also have some failsafes against data corruption (since data is like genes in his case)
@@BreakyOnline it's not corruption it's going mad with power. Getting into a Cryptek's vault would make him a near god. Also it's Pinnacle not peak. The omnitrix takes the DNA sample finds a good above average sample, and puts them in the ideal form so to speak. Think each alien is the Batman equivalent to their species.
The thing is Ben wouldn't become a simple Tyranid, he would become the master of the hive mind, or better saying, a modified version on the prime of the species. Just like with nanomach. He isn't controlled by the queen
The only way someone could imagine 40K is the most OP science fiction universe is if you're remarkably ignorant of sci-fi in general. From Doctor Who to literary classics like the Xeelee, all the way down to 40K's favorite punching bag in the versus debates, Star Trek when you remember every single versus debate involving Star Trek ever has to explicitly exclude all the random omnipotent aliens just hanging out on random planets. If you've got to nerf your opposition, that's you admitting you can't beat them as they are.
I think the scariest thing Ben can do in the W40K universe is giving the idea of the omnitrix to the orks. Even if Ben explains how it works in the worst way possible, so as long as they can see him transform, they'll SOMEHOW copy it.
@@wigiot1273 But what if one ork said, "to battle enemy must think like enemy, if i become enemy ork win" and then one ork would point out that someone transformed into the enemy, then gang him on and obliterate him
The fact that Ben can just scan any creature and 'specimen' in its prime, is already game over for most of 40K. But my god, what a horrific thing to think about the Adeptus Mechanicus capturing and experimenting on a child with xenotech is just Tuesday for them.
We see with nanomech in the alien swarm film and that X guy from the reboot, ben 10 can turn into aliens from a hive mind but the omnitrix has mental safeguards from it overtaking him but can still access it like how nanomech could sense the queens influence and the X guy can control those hes linked to so tyranids could totally be a transformation. As for orks, we see rath brings down Ben's intelligence but doesnt affect ben and meets the sapience requirement and orks are definately more intelligent than wildmutt. Primarks and demon primarks couldnt be a transformation as theyre mutant humans and the omnitrix doesnt see mutations as genetic differences (it might be able to fix the demon primarks with its genetic repair function though)
See, the problem with him being stupid when turning into an Ork wouldn't actually be a problem... because the omnitrix turns him into a peak specimen of the species (notable with fourarms, as male tetramands are weaker than the females, and he beats Looma). This means that Ben would be a Krork.
@@beskarbaron6503 i thought krorks were more different to orks than just smarter, iirc theyre physically a lot taller and balanced preportionally than the top heavy orks aswell their intelligence and control over the waagh. Also its been 100s of millions if years since the krorks/eldar)c'tan/necrontyr and the orks of the imperium's time so that much devolution would probably seperate them enough for a prime modern ork to not be a krork
@@declanbarker2777 Yeah, but Ghazkull, The Beast, and the Primorks all at least imply that that orks are capable of getting much closer to krorkish capabilities, if not full krorks. Even without that, their technology is genetic, and random orks can have telefrag guns. Hell, at least one ork has partial access to actual Krork Tech Knowledge, even if it is inconsistent. Even just going by the best ork we know of, The Beast, is a lot, to where Vulcan sacrificed himself to kill The Beast. Not to mention that ork command system is literally "follow the biggest guy". Also, The Beast wasn't the end stage of Ork, he was still growing rapidly. Even if Ben can't become a Krork, he would still be the single most dangerous ork in existence.
@@beskarbaron6503 oh yeah absolutely no doubt about the transformation being a hell of a threat i just think seeing it as specifically a krork doesnt make sense. Im not suuuper deep into warhammer so i need to research what the beast and the primorks are though they sound so cool
@@beskarbaron6503 I'd say that ben would just turn into a smarter Gaz'ghul and would need to stay and fight in that form to grow. But he might be able to turn into the various sub-groups of ork and orkoids. Weirdboyz, Painboyz, Mekboys
I can imagine a Ben born in The Warhammer universe and having Qmnitrix, he would grow up to be similar to the Emperor with green power arm and glowing green eyes
a few things: ben could just scan a ctan spliter and become a full ctan, ctan are gaseous aliens inside of necrodermis bodies, similar to how echo echo is living sound or feedback is living electricity in synthetic bodies ben could just dna repair the emperor another thing to bring up is foresight chaos would know about what ben plans on doing and will try to stop him, but so would chars like eldrad or big e while its easy to see how many enemies ben would have we also have to count how many alies he would, with eldrad being all to happy to teach ben how to use his psyker powers since he doesnt have an eldar soul so slaanesh cant call dibs and big e will realize that ben is the most guaranteed way to stop chaos, tyranids, and just save humanity from itself, guliman would realize the same things once they meet i can see bobby g and big e giving him the rogue trader pass to set up shop in his own small empire, as long as he pays his taxes the other thing ben brings is technology, grey matter and brainstorm would make daot and necron tech look like toys if given the resources to do so Finally, to adress the alien x shaped elephant in the room while alien x cant directly manipulate magic/ mana and probsd the warp, alien x can change its properties to allow him to do so alien x doesnt have to erase the chaos gods, he can just make em feed on positive emotions
So if Ben scanned a C'tan shard he would just turn into a non-sentient stellar gas cloud since the physical bodies and the sentence those bodies give them are not naturally part of the C'tan? The C'tan don't even have DNA so would he be able to turn into them at all?
@@ionavram4002 I think the ctan would be like the anodites. They might just be sapient spacial-energy being without anything to really scan. Echo echo and Feedback are good examples for what the ctan could be but I think that ctan are simply just not "living things", especially since they are antithetical the the warp/souls
@@franciscorui I disagree The daemons would be like anodites They are beings of spirit with no code to make up their bodies Ctan are purely material Nrg and atomix are also pure energy in hazmat suits And the aliens don't have to be "alive" as seen with ghost freak who are made of dead mana
@@VunderGuy Its not slander. Hal is strong, true, but not omnipotent level of strong. There is no world in which he can beat Alien X. Otherwise, the rest of the fight was cool.
I don’t believe so, with the Necrons they had their biology changed. But the Emperor didn’t, he’s literally just been sitting on the Golden Throne for so long that his body has just Rotted away, there wasn’t any kind of mutation process it’s just natural decay.
10:47 Kinda from what I remember not turning into mutants is a safety feature of the Omnitrix so Ben can turn into mutants but he has to turn off the safety feature first I remember I heard this from someone but I could be wrong
I found it as a footnote on the wiki and mentioned in a video by the Ink Tank, so take it with a grain of salt but there is precedent out there for it.
@@thebluepaladin he never does it in the show it’s more of an iceberg trivia fact of the omnitrix so the specific rules of this function are not entirely known to us
@@thebluepaladinshow kind of conflicts with itself at times. Ben 10k in ultimate alien was able to ultimate himself, mutating his own DNA to be able to change his body at will to have the characteristics of aliens but still being very much human.
Even if Ben can't be human mutants, he could be abhumans because some of them are different enough to caunt as a subspecies such as Custodies and Primarc but not space marines
Orcs- Go fight the tyranids. Forever waagggh. Necrons: Stop killing people and I'll give you your bodies back. Also, with the Omnitrix, he could HEAL The Emperor!
The imperium would despise Ben for the majority, no matter what he does for them and technically being human. Using a device which could transform him into any Xeno imaginable (Especially ones that they've yet to see or hear about) would easily be seen as heretical and put a target on his head.
@@sushiroll2545 This honestly. There might even be alot of strife between the current loyalists and the Emperor as well, the best case scenario is having Big E go back to his Webway project and let Gulliman, Dorn, and a Reformed Lion act as the Imperium's Triumvirate.
As I am thinking about this video further, I believe that the Lamenters would be the most loyal space marine legion to serve under ben for one singular reason: he could cure them of the Black Rage. The second Ben hears these poor boys suffering violent episodes of their Primarch's final moments, he would immediately use the Omnitrix to try and fix their Gene Seeds. If he can cure the Necrons of their immortal curse, then it wouldn't be too farfetched to say he could do the same for the Lamenters. Although, they would most definitely be reluctant to work with other Xenos. But they would quickly remember why they are serving him and would have no other choice but to suck it up and comply.
14:25 Yes but Ben is willing to kill if necessary he’s done it a lot of times actually he has a bigger body count then you would think but he’s definitely not Grim Dark level
I can't actually think of a time that Ben's killed someone. He absolutely has had villains die, but that's usually incidental or performed by someone else.
@@tyinyk the giant tick and those octopus cyborgs from the classic series Ghostfreak Zs’Skayr a lot of time actually the incursean ship he blasted as way big only 1 escape pod launched out of that ship meaning all the other incursean definitely died in omniverse Malware Maltruant who is stuck in a loop of death there’s probably more that I can’t remember but Ben has a big body count he also tried killing Kevin and Aggregor so I think Ben will kill if there is no other option
@@potatofarmergyro1720 true I wonder how many Characters in fiction can say that they have an infinite body count even if only Technically it’s still terrifyingly impressive
Maybe he can't transform into a space marine, BUT he can transform every single space marine into a regular human with the DNA repair feature, returning them to the "base human" form. That aside, he could transform into every single Chaos God (this because he has alien x, meaning the omnitryx can handle that amount of power)
In regards to the tyranid hivemind, it is speculative, but i think the omnitrix would handle that for Ben without too much of an issue. We don’t see too many of them in canon, however Echo-Ecgo’s species is canonically a hive mind, and when Ben Transforms into them he simply becomes the hivemind itself and control all sub-units he creates rather than being controlled by the progenitor of the DNA sample. (As indicated by his ability to finish sentences through multiple bodies, demonstrating that his mind was not split, but is still singular). There’s also nanomech, who’s species was a hive-mind controlled by the Microchip Queen, who’s control Ben demonstrated complete immunity to in nanomech form, again supporting the omnitrix automatically disconnecting him from the control of external hive minds. Obviously echo-echo and nanomech aren’t exactly a tyranid, but given this piece of evidence and the overall ludicrous hax of the omnitrix i don’t think its that unreasonable to think that it woud operate in a similar way when it assimilated their dna, splitting Ben off into his own hive-mind with his own shadow in the warp separate from the control of the main one. All that being said i don’t see why Ben would even want to be a tyranid when he has so many better options available with more powerful abilities without us needing to have this conversation, so while i do think he could do it, it is a bit irrelevant all things considered.
I personally think Ben would probably still copy Tyranids if only to get a look into how they work as a species. He'd transform into them once, come to a horrific realization, and keep the dial firmly away from ANYTHING Tyranid for a long, LONG time. Or save it as its own little "oh shit" button. Although I do confess to some curiosity about "Hive Fleet Tennyson" and how that might end up working out.
To say at peak doesn't do it justice, it turns Ben into the most powerful most evolved version of the race not the peak version but quite literally the perfect version
For the point on Orks he likely would not become a Krork since mutants and subspecies are considered separate. He would likely just become a Ghazkull level Ork
I mean Ben did basically become the Jesus/messiah figure of an alien species aka Chromastone who is apparently the Jesus figure of Diamondhead's species so who knows maybe he really could become a Krork.
Thing is orks devolved from Krorks. They didn't split off and become their own thing. In fact that's what the Beast was. The orks evolved so hard that they had a Krork again, he was just a juvenile that hadn't yet seen enough combat to fully grow. While it's lieutenants were prime orks. Just at the precipice. The way the Omnitrix works is that while you don't usually transform into an exact replica of a specific member of a species. You instead transform into the pinnacle of that species. The best of the best. So by that logic. Ben could become a Krork. I can see him not becoming The Emperor though because while he and all his augmented superhumans are like various stages of human evolution. The Emperor came about through a ritual of mass suicide that involved numerous souls. He's more of a anomaly than an evolutionary achievement.
The funniest thing I can imagine is Ben expecting the Eldar to look like freakish aliens due to the masks they always wear just to turn into one and be let down at realizing they're basically elves.
Well, Pre Guiliman and Lion waking up, because unlike 90% of the Brainlet leaders of the Imperium Those two would realize Ben would be the biggest shot at fixing shit
He watched his universe stop existing and then remade it and only thing he cared about was his smoothy tasting different no he wouldn't be traumatized people dont understand how much of a cruel cunt ben could be
@@brendandonohue2398 Watching the universe merely die is pussy shit compared to thousands of years of endless suffering and atrocities. Ben is not going to cope.
@@GUMMRUCHK bruh watched his entire universe die person by person and could see and hear every single one begging for help He wouldn't instantly be reduced to a quivering pile and IF he was...so what? Now you got a being that has the power of a chaos God IN THE MATERIAL REALM that is now pissed off and has no more morals There's no wincon for 40k when even without alien x Ben has aliens that are casual planet buster like waybig who tanked the incursion conquest beam or gravattack who could can create black holes on demand and just sit back and watch the enemy go poof
@@GUMMRUCHK ok even if we assume he mentally breaks...so what? He can't be killed and now you have someone who can casually erase reality except now he's pissed off 😂 So....he still wins minimal diff
Horrifiying idea: Ben using Upgrade on Necron-tech to see what would happen. Also the necron solution might be harder given that theirs no living flesh for the watch to use.
@@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917 Because those aliens are still living things, just stretched out a bit. Diamondhead is just a silicon-lifeform, nrg is a creature that gives off/feeds on intense radiation, and ghostfreak, while somehow a ghost, is also somehow a living thing, most importantly with DNA. If it doesn't really have DNA or something greatly equal to it, it won't work. Necrons are literal robots, their living metal is just called that, it's not actually akive.
@@franciscorui I guess that makes sense, though I don't know how Echo echo could even enter the omnitrix. Giving it's a being made out of sound (the body is just a shell)
@@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917 it could be the sound in their body is like the electricity in ours. They are alive via sound like how we're alive via power
@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917 those aliens even if stretched had DNA. Scanning a Necron is the equivalent if scanning a Wal-Mart mannequin, or a better comparison would be a terminator.
Ben turns into Alien X and tries to rewrite the universe. In the process, he connects to the warp, which becomes a part of him. Under its corruption, now a part of his essence, he becomes a chaos god of 'The Chaos'.
People also forget that Ben can infinitely copy himself,each one also having a fully operational omnitrix. Before he knew the omnitrix wouldn’t let him die he always kept an extra clone of himself in Kevin’s trunk just in case
the omnitrix has that failsafe from the start. it's not a weapon it was supposed to promote intergalactic peace. kinda hard if your emissary dies cause an appoplexian
@@kimetsunoacademia3528 Chaos Gods can stop time. But assuming I'm wrong, Tzeench would have to fuck with the Omni-trix before or after a transformation.
@@TheTsugnawmi2010 i mean the Omnitrix has survived the destruction of the multiverse and is so advanced to the point that nothing else other than ancient magic can tamper with it. Even Asmoth's other device Ascalon which is a sword capable of manipulating reality itself was not able to affect the Omnitrix. And its not like ben has not fought time gods before and won multiple times.
There are at least a few instances where an Ork shows high intelligence, they may still SOUND kind of dumb (that's really just the cockney accent) but they have shown a few intelligent Orks
The omnitrix would most likely stop that its stated that it has a mind of its own and was fast enough to react to big bang and safeguard ben from so if it can do that am sure the hive mind would be a joke in comparison
Sorry to be the “well actually” guy, but the most likely outcome would be something like Nanomech, a wholly unique being that gives him the powers of a tyranid while maintaining his own autonomy.
@@JammesJack-td6gv Did it save BEN specifically, or just the host wearing the watch at that time? I only watched the OG ben 10, not the fkn loonytoons shit that came after CN started their pedo-art.
Okay, so joke wise, the biggest obstacle for Ben if he starts Tau side and he ends up accidentally whooing Shadowsun because that would probably put him in the crosshairs of the Captain General of the Custodes
I think he could turn into a Tyrannid. Not only he becomes the prime of the species, but what's to say he wouldn't become a some sort of other "king" of a hive mind.
Let's remember that in some cases, the Omnitrix doesn't just give Ben the physical attributes of a race, but also the mental ones. When becomes Grey Matter, he gains the intelligence of a Galvan (my headcannon is that the DNA donor was Azimuth). And the Omnitrix can also maximize each form's potential to their Ultimate form. So if the Omnitrix absorbs DNA from an Eldar, Eldar-Ben will have the intelligence and Psyker potential of an Eldar. With the Ultimate Form, you would basically see Ben becoming a Farseer to rival or even surpass Eldrad or Yvraine. If he absorbs Tyranid DNA, Tyranid-Ben will probably become master of his own Hivemind. He could potentially even OVERRIDE the hive-mind of the Tyranid. Imagine him arriving in a planet with Genestealer Cults, and the Genestealers essentially becoming enthralled to serve him. He'd turn the Tyranids against each other. If he absorbs Ork DNA, as Buster says, he would be elevated to a Krork. Now, as a Krork, Ben would probably dominate the WAAAAAGH collective mind energy of the Orks. Emperor knows what THAT would result in. And as you said, he could fix their genes to make them all into Krorks. Warboss Ben of the Krork Empire? That would make Tetramands feel cuddly and weak. My personal theory is that the Omnitrix doesn't just work with DNA, but bioelectrical and psychic energy as well, so it could potentially absorb Necron DNA. That by itself wouldn't matter much... unless Ben got the DNA of a Necron Cryptek and/or Overlord. Someone like Szeras, Trazyn or Orikan. The thing to keep in mind about Ben Tennyson is that, immature as he is, *he essentially becomes a Doctor Who character if pushed to his extremes.* That thing he did where he sets the Omnitrix to self-destruct on Vilgax's arm and FULFILLS his promise to let it explode? When he was willing to kill Kevin 11 if Kevin became too much of a threat? The Ben 10.000 that beat _Vilgax into pulped smear on the wall??_ That is Ben when the chips are down, and if he doesn't have Kevin, Gwen, Rook or Max with him, he will NOT hold back. Put him on Warhammer 40K, and THAT is the Ben we'll be dealing with. He will NOT be like Steven Universe or Naruto Uzumaki, crying and Talking No Jutsu until people turn on a new leaf. You put him on Holy Terra? *He will turn into Way Big and start stomping around until the Imperium shuts the fuck up, listens to him and capitulates.* He will _threaten_ the Tau, Eldar and Necrons into collaborating with the Imperium (and vice versa). And he will have NO mercy on Orks, Drukhari or Tyranid. And the moment he gets his Omnitrix close to Big-E or a C'tan Shard? *_It's game over. It will be Alien X with no Bellicus or Serena._* The Omnitrix is the ultimate genetic manipulation weapon. Its potential is, quite frankly, insane and unlimited. And Ben, for all his heroism, is WICKED scary when he wants to be. That's why I respect the HELL out of him. Now, can he deal with Chaos? The creators of Ben 10 have contradicting opinions on whether or not the Omnitrix can take the form of an Eldritch Lovecraftian Horror like Dagon, who is the closest thing to Daemons and the Chaos Gods that Ben ever fought. I think that Ben could PROBABLY absorb the energy from the Daemon Primarchs (they still have SOME likeness to humans left, after all). Anything else? I dunno. And whether or not Ben could resist Chaos corruption is a whole nother shebang.
@@Beebles190 Yes, but like I said, without his team to rein him in, that will go out the window the moment he sets eyes on an Imperial World. All bets will be off.
@@DeathMessenger1988 While Ben is capable of messing up the entire Imperium, I still can't help but feel that everyone is underestimating the creativity and ingenuity of all the factions working for the Imperium. Ben IS dangerous when pushed to his extreme BUT at the same time it has also been shown that Ben is a fairly "average" guy and has been easily caught off guard too many times. Putting that up against the psychopaths that live in WH40K?? I am not so sure about his chances.
Funnily the Inquis. and the Church can't do shit to him since the omnitrix's failsafe to protect Ben from any attacks and transport him to a "Safer" place, the Omnitrix may or can heal the Emperor, the loyalist primarchs would suspicious for a time, but in time, Guiliman and Khan might be the first to accept Ben as an "Ally" just between them cause how big of an ASSET with that power is, next would be Vulkan then last would be the Lion'el and Leman rus, Daemon Corax is still in the immaterium spawn camping the Traitors XD
If I may offer a quick counterpoint, The Kahn is described as moving so fast at one point that he disrupts the fabric of reality a lil bit, for what its worth
Can Ben 10 survive the Destiny universe post-The Final Shape? He still has access to all of his aliens from the original series to Omniverse with the exception of Alien X.
Ben laughs as he turns into not just a C'tan shard, but a full on C'tan at p e a k strength. Have fun with that, Khorne.
Alien X can solo anything, not even emperor is as powerful as Alien X and I say this being big warhammer fan. It’s just too op
@@t0m653I think he could also turn into an ultimate version of the c'tan
He turns into the Tyranid hive mind
@@andraskovacs5431that is probably the most stupidly OP (non alien X related) thing I’ve ever heard of
Only swamlord@@andraskovacs5431
Thing about the Tyrannid hivemind taking him over, is this exact thing he was able to overcome with Nanomech, a creature made by the omnitrix from the DNA of a biomechanical hivemind, and became a sort of solo hive
So he'd either become a solo Tyrannid able to hear the hive but be able to resist the commands, or even become a competing consiousness for the hive
EDIT: Damn, someone beat me to this
He may be able to even track the actual physical location(s) of the hive mind.
@@AAhmoui can imagine the fucking tyrannid hive mind going "oh shit" when Ben discovers where it is and literaly diverting ALL tyrannid forces in the galaxy to try to stop him
Ben's mental fortitude would have to surpass a space marine to even remain alive if he became his own opposing hive mind because of the sheer mental strain it would take on him.
@@yorukage5926 that's no problem for Ben then. The Omnitrix protects Ben from such problems hence why he can act separately even though some alien forms he transformed into only operate through a hive. There were times when it forced Ben to follow, but he always resisted and acted on his own. For example, Ghost Freak.
ben just going "gimme that shit" to every tyrannid everywhere
"isaac newton is the deadliest son of bitch in space now" gotta be the hardest line i've ever heard
UNSC Super Mac Platform: "Three times the yield of the atomic bomb? That's pathetic here at the UNSC we develop mac guns that range in the megatons and gigatons of force. You will never beat the Covenant's starships with merely 30 kilotons."
@@JohnLevi-t1wtbf, I think both technologies are the way there are because of the way their galaxy is before hand
In Mass Effect, most civilized species rarely if ever feel the need to use nukes and orbital rounds, as they are largely seen as unethical. Therefore, they haven’t really advanced too much.
Meanwhile, in Halo, the UNSC had to develop their cannons to be powerful because it was the only way to defend yourself against the Covenant, who were actively willing to die to kill people. War tech evolves as is needed.
I know this is mostly a joke, but I just wanted to point it out. Sorry if it came across as rude or anything, that was not my intent :)
@@aperson3996
The UNSC were developing many of those weapon systems even before the Human-Covenant war to defeat the Insurrection.
I understand what you are saying but realistically see where that stagnant mindset got them when the Reapers invaded. Had they actually still had access to a large stockpile of prepare ballistic nuclear sites a lot more Reaper capital ships with their weak Kinetic shields by UNSC and Covenant standards would be taken down upon impact and detonation. Had they simply invested in some defensive arrays and platforms.
Besides every government wants to keep their weapons development departments ongoing and classified upon the highest orders.
The Reapers are a very stagnant force themselves all things considered. In canon they lived for a billion years yet don't even have capital ships that can compared to a Covenant Cruiser in advantages and efficiency. They literally didn't develop any other technologies in all that time. That's quite bad. Their mindset and assumption is really dumb all things considered. Due to the amount of high risks it would realistically be and not go according to plan.
@@JohnLevi-t1w Oh no, I get what you mean. Sorry if my post sounded too “well acksshuly” like. I’m not trying to justify the Council and Reapers being stagnant and all that. Im just trying to point out that both take place in seperate universes with separate needs.
I’m just used to people thinking that if one fictional universe has more powerfful stuff than another, that that somehow makes the less powerful universe worse. I think powerscaling this kinda stuff for fun is really cool! Its just Im used to people taking it really seriously.
Again, didn’t mean to come off as an ass, sorry if I did.
I miss when Bioware was good.
Ben would solo the Warhammer galaxy but would be traumatized in the process
his personality would be augmented by his aliens, and most seem to not care for, or absolutely love all kinds of combat.
Honestly, not even sure about the trauma aspect. As much as I rag on Ben being the loser Hal Jordan stepped in, he wouldn't be traumatized because he comes from a decently developed superhero verse and is thusly no stranger to all kinds of unpleasant stuff and gotten through it and because Ben honestly doesn't have time to bleed because he's honestly not the brightest bulb in the box so he's liably to be stupidly upbeat anyways.
I liked your comment, but he was just fine after his entire universe was erased, and he had to recreate it with some minor changes. A couple genocides and all-out war probably wouldn't faze him.
he fought cthulu in ultimate alien I think he would be ok
Based on what I saw in Alien Force and Ultimate Alien, Ben 10 would turn into Doctor Who and END almost anything that tries stopping him from fixing the Grimdark Universe.
Remember when he set the Omnitrix to self-destroy, Vilgax cried he was bluffing, and he LET the watch explode in Vilgax's face? When he almost killed Kevin for being too much of a threat? The fact that, as Ben 10.000, he pummeled Vilgax into something that looks like an inside-out cockroach? THAT is the Ben Tennyson the Grimdark Universe will be dealing with.
All Hail Ben 40.000, the Omni-Emperor of Milky Way Galaxy.
Ben: *scans a Hormagaunt*
Omnitrix: *turns Ben into a 2nd Tyranid Hivemind*
Imagine them battling for control of the horde
@@StarboyXL9 the Ben mind would win given he would be the hive mind 2.0
It would be the same situation with how ben acquired nanotech@@dragonlord498
@@StarboyXL9 He kind of did with nanites in the movie alien swarm. That's how nanomech came to be. I can't remember if the nanites are completely alien though.
@@jonathanathor117 iirc they are alien technology but the "Queen" nanite is sentient enough to be considered an alien organism
Alien X: "Hey, Chaos Gods."
Chaos Gods: "Yes Sir?"
Alien X: "Stop existing."
Chaos Gods: "Yes My Lord."
@@LordProteus false
Two personalities inside alien x get corrupted by warp and consumed
@@whiteeye3453 mad because bad
@@whiteeye3453 it smells like an incredible amount of copium
@whiteeye3453 they are literally alien x too and they gave Ben full control while they are just arguing with each other
@@sletelier8 so cope Again because alien x now is weaker that claimed
Now put W40k against the cutest eldritch demon slaying to ever be put in fiction:kirby
At minimum, Kirby becomes a Chaos God of hope. At most he just eats everything. What’s even funnier to think about is that if he did eat everything he would just contain the universe within himself.
@@J-manli who's to say kirby hasn't already eaten 40K and everyone has already forgotten about it
@@craftysmithkeith3653 Wait are we inside of Kirby
Kirby solos, it's disrespectful
You mean Hive Fleet Kirby?
Short answer: Alien-X
Long answer: Yes
Ben doesn't even need Alien-X
Why is the short answer longer? XD
Because Belacus and Serena agreed on the motion to make that answer longer@@mobgabriel1767
Alien x isn't Anwser and cannot be used all time
@@whiteeye3453 Can it not? Ben convinced the two arguing heads to cede all power to him.
Imagine Ben trying to make peace with all the factions by turning into them as an act of diplomacy.
He is an Emperor, a Krork, a necron, a star god, a warp god, an old one...
Like ben once said "I'm one of every kind"
I can see ben doing that for the eldar. It would be hard for the imperium ironically though since it's the imperium. Unless ben is personally talking to guilliman himself.
@@jonathanathor117 I was thinking that. Him allying with Guiliman, eventually meeting with Big E which causes Ben to decide that Big E is not always right and be forced to act Icognito from then.
I would also love to see Ben transform into Grey matter and easily start fixing the golden throne. Or him dwarfing a Bio-Titan as way big and annihilating it ('cause way big is a living walking Exterminatus)
@@yamato9753 nah Ben turning into feedback and styling on the titan like what he did to malware.
@@jonathanathor117 Awesome Idea, but that would fit more against an imperial Titan, considering those are actual machines he could steal energy from.
Ben's opening line would be "Can all of you just stop killing each other for ten seconds?!"
If Ben 10 restored the Necrons to their original Necrontyr selves, then that also means he cured them from the Flayer Virus and the Destroyer Curse.
the destroyer yes, cus its just a glitch, the flayer no
the flayer virus exists as a consequence of killing a ctan
he either has to ressurect the ctan or erase his existance
tho the necrons that wouldnt want to return to flesh would likely be the destroyers
@@ionavram4002the ctan can be killed?
@@joshuamartinez6722 doing so caused a glitch in reality thus the Flayer curse
@joshuamartinez6722 technically yes, but the attempt left the Maynarkh dynasty, at the time one of the most powerful dynasties in the WIH, utterly devastated. It also erased the concept the Flayer represented from reality and brought about the flayer virus
@@joshuamartinez6722 it was also likely accomplished through some manner of superweapons, the ones that The Silent King destroyed and erased the blueprints for prior to the great sleep
I am of the opinion that the other two alien x personalities would take one look at the state of the galaxy, and promptly hand over the reins to ben without so much as a peep of protest.
Bro they signed off reluctantly on the death of the dinosaurs when we first met them just so intelligent life could begin on earth. If they saw the tyranids they would immediately pull out a divine can of bug spray.
Accept that when the universe was recreated, it was recreated mainly by those two personalities with very minimal input by Ben 10 himself
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2brwell yeah I dont think a kid could handle putting the universe back together atom by atom, they were definitely the ones doing the recreating, they just let Ben decide to go through with it since they would just argue forever without him
well that or belachus would just be like "Burn it. Burn it all."
*in unison* Ben here are the keys we’re gonna look over there and you do you.
Couple notes.
1. Even IF Ben scanned an Ork and became an average Ork, the intelligence wouldn't be a problem, considering orks are about on par with a transformation like Rath. Plus, he can become things like Wildmutt, which are closer to a wolf or dolphin in terms of intelligence, so he'd be fine.
2. As for becoming a Tyranid... I'd be willing to debate if Ben were to transform, it'd be similar to a Tyranid Queen, effectively being his own central hive. However, if he didn't become a queen, yea, there'd be problems.
3. Incorrect on the mutant thing. There's a failsafe on the omnitrix to prevent mutant transformations to prevent bodily harm to ben's DNA. If it were to be removed, however, yes, he could become a space marine or custodes.
Aside from that, this is a great video!
Considering the Omnitrix's original intentions as a device, the restriction on mutants is probably just an arbitrary limitation.
The omnitrix is meant to preserve alien species, and grant its wearer the chance to walk in another species's shoes, each transformation is basically a "representative" of that species, it wouldn't make much sense to include mutants as they don't represent what the species as a whole is.
Honestly if the Omnitrix already considers one species as 2 despite their genétic diferences being so minor it literally just changes their skin pigmentation, i believe that it would recognise any geneticly modify being as It's own species as long as the modifications don't left any damage strands of DNA(nevermind i'm wrong and don't know what I'm talking abaut)
@@tadeolaguarda6965 there's more to speciation than skin pigmentation being different, it comes down to genetics.
Two species could look identical on the outside, but be clearly distinct once you look at their DNA, this is the case for the 3 different varieties of Zebra roaming Africa.
Yes, there's 3 species of Zebra, the only visible difference is their stripe pattern, and they are their own separate species genetically.
@@Cri_Jackal well, Guess i was wrong then
Being a mutant in warhammer is kinda bad
Psykers will constantly bring Chaos to them
Blanks will cause everyone to Jill themselves bcs of their aura.
That’s without mentioning both genes cause severe mental instability and the last time a peak blank gene was formed he was thrown out into the sun in order to not kill the emperor itself
The coolest part about Ben being in the 40K universe isnt even the powerscaling but rather how many lives he could cure and how many would pledge their allegiance thanks to the Omnitrix
So it's the omnitrix saving the universe, not Ben.
Without the watch, he aint worth squat unfortunately. The only reason he can do anything really, is because someone else made a Godly weapon/ tool. Not to mention, if someone else figures out the Omnitrix (which they could realistically do, and faster than a 10 year old), he's basically useless. People give too much credit to the all powerful watch, and not enough to the cunning of man/ xenos.
@@Count_Wankula Ben is not useless without the watch, simply limited to human capabilities.
What is even your point here? You are just saying that a superhero stripped of their powers are weak, true but meaningless.
@@gerald2508 The argument isn't Ben 10 vs. 40k... it's just The Omnitrix vs. 40k.
Ben is still just a human at the end of the day, he needs to sleep, eat and shit.... VULNERABILITIES that ANY foe with intelligence would exploit.
Or, as usual he'd be dumb enough to hand the Omnitrix over, thinking no one could unlock it... and that's superhero syndrome. He thinks he's the best, because he has the best tool in the galaxy.
Ben wouldn't save even half the races of 40k... Necrons, possible, but not after all the shit they've done... He'd exterminate them. The same goes for the Drukhari & Chaos.
Btw, I doubt the Omnitrix would be able to convert chaos... it's a little more than just "dark energy". Chaos corrupts, that is its sole purpose, the Omnitrix would just corrupt him a little better.
THERE IS NO "BEN CAN SOLO THE UNIVERSE"... the universe will fight back, and fighting is what THIS universe is good at. The warp is not as simple as you would think.
And being a superhero with a "cheat tool" is just lame af imo. I liked the alien forms as a kid, not the little shit with the watch. What's the point of writing a hero that always comes out on top, no matter the odds, and when shit gets really bad, the watch has an auto "oh fuck" button that serves as Ctrl + Z. It's pointless.
Pitting the universe of unending war vs. a cartoon with a cheat watch... like, how the fuck would this be a comparable debate?
@thefool5302 Getting rid of the warp eliminates 90% of travel in the 40k universe... so, yeah, didn't save shit with that move. Next?
@thefool5302 Again... great tool... used by a tool... what's the argument with that?
Take a moment to think about this from both sides... you all just go "yeah, the cartoon will win"...
You have no idea of the sheer scale of 40k, or the Tech utilized by both the discovered and undiscovered alien races. Do you know how powerful some of the entities are in 40k? Who's to say that the omnitrix is inviolable, didn't they corrupt it or something at one point? Or am I thinking of an alt omnitrix?
Either way, this isn't black and white... and saying he can revert time or Alien x his way out of any situation is just lazy writing.
There are places in 40k that would rip the soul out of your body for merely trying to comprehend what you are seeing, litteraly. I doubt the watch is gonna fix his spirit.
Again, it's not so clear cut, and neither you nor I will ever see this proven either way. It's fantasy, and the shit argument of "My fantasy is better than yours" is simply childish.
This would be more entertaining if the video was about "which alien would be best against which faction, and why (without using the same alien twice). That would make for a more reasonable argument.
It's like saying 1v1 man vs. Frog... the only way that frog wins, is with fucking poison... and now you say, but wait... the MAN HAS AN IMPENETRABLE SUIT... like... really?
He takes one look at the shit storm of a galaxy and immediately turns into alien x and politely tell everyone to knock it off.
Ben is Henry Cavil fr
"politely tells" is a very odd way of spelling "rewrites reality and unspools the fabric of spacetime to re-weave it into a form in his own image" but to each their own.
@@StarboyXL9 Ben has to go to court a 2nd time except this time he gets to go scott free because its 40k.
He first has to have agreement with the personalities before he can use Alien X.
Better choices would be using a Galvan, Brainstorm, Clockwork, Diamond matter, or Copying the Emperor of Mankind 😅
Also, I feel like everyone is forgetting about the chaos gods. They transcend 40k and exist in other properties.
basically ben 10 would either die horribly within the first 30 seconds OR power scale into infinity and fucking faceroll the entire 40k verse
Ben canonically can't die
@@Dirty09 is it cause of the omnitrix safeguard?
@@Buggoliousyep that's why
@@Buggolious It can instantly save him, not even reality collapsing can kill Ben. He could maybe die of old age, but not any short of that.
@@ttv_mrjack6749and given that he is part alien his life span should be longer than a regular human life
Omnitrix: *exists*
Trazyn: Hippity-hoppity, this is now my property!
Traxyn would be gunning for that omnitrix like it was a father chasing after the milk to get back to his family
Omnitrix: uno reverse card
He’d be more relentless than vilgax
@@tomhossain2099 he sadly would be no match for ben, not even the stasis fields would stop ben.
Trazyn would unironically be a Saturday morning cartoon villian when it comes to the omnitrix.
Imagine, a Krork after a million years of combat via that evolution feature.
Horrifying.
Ironically though, that might wind up recreating an Ork as the 40K verse is practically the same as the war simulation of the Ultimatrix.
@@J-manli Maybe the Orks didn't devolve from the Krork, maybe the Krork evolved into the Orks
@@J-manliNot exactly, Orcs were devolving because the lack of war
@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646Not lack of war, but the lack of strong enemies.
@@theloweffortchannel7211 yeah
Korn: Why is my Greater Daemon not doing what I want?
Turns out to be a kid not a daemon
Khorne: Why did my daemon just turn into a funny little grey guy?
@@SwordTune WHY DID THIS MIDGET TURN INTO ME
@@SwordTune tzeench: I will give you half of my forces if you let me find out how that kid did that
4 arms would have a field day
Khorne: why did my Daemon just turn into a c'tan? And why does this c'tan seem to be abnormally strong? Wait, now he's a floating black star speckled humonoid. Am I dreaming or is he staring directly at me after he transformed into this species I've never seen before?
"Yes, the middle name is Kirby, which is foreshadowing of his incredible power"
Oh damn.
Azmuth, an absolute prick of a galvan that he is, was right. Being able to walk in the shoes of other species is the ultimate tool for peace
Azmuth has really good ideas. Is really bad at following through. Like look at Ascalon.
@@tineresnt5505 Yeah he's good at science and has noble dreams but, he really has no idea how to actually pull any of it off. Even his science is held back by this.
@@Merilirem It's really funny/sad that someone so smart, that does such amazing things, can't really focus his efforts properly. He made a whole powerful sentient race on accident! He made a sword that with enough power could cut all evil out of the universe! If only he wasn't so high and mighty maybe he could ask what people need instead of making universal level shit.
Too bad 40k is only war.
@@tineresnt5505 To be fair to asmuth, all of that shit was cool as fuck.
I like how instead of going down a route of ben fighting the universe you played into bens actual personality and went with a unifying route
Imagine Ben turning into an Ork, blending in with the other Orks and them calling him one of the "Weird Boyz" but they respect him because the biggest ork.
I imagine Ben scanning ork DNA and the Omnitrix going "genetic decay detected repairing" and he becomes a krork
But not even any krork, the biggest and baddest krork of them all, the literal prime of the entire species
The Omnitrix would turn him into the apex of the species. Aka a Krork
Ok, I did some research, and to the 2 people in the comment section, thank you for your input, but aren't krorks just larger orks? Like without that armor, they're just big smarter orks.
@@FlameBinder55 Krorks were 12 meter tall, Apex warriors, who could perfectly harness their warp abilities for combat and were tactical geniuses, who also were hand crafted by the old ones. They were and are the perfect weapon
@@yorukage5926 Ah, thank you, honestly trying to do research on krorks is hard because idk what website to read to be honest lol
no one is talking about how ben could cure genestealers just like how he could DNAleins
Its true...
Fun fact: Ben legally owns the planet Earth after winning a combat trial, he's also betrothed to a warrior princess after a misunderstanding about a similar combat trial, so on technicality he's a prince by the right of combat
and an emperor of earth in a manner of speaking
Big E two electric boogaloo
Ben: Alright you prick! I don't know how you got your Ass on my chair! But I don't care so I don't beat your Ass up and reclaim my planet a second time!
@@Ozpawni think he's literally just big e before the men of iron stuff happens like millennias before that happens but he doesn't know it yet
oh no a second emperor
A second emperor has hit the warp, I repeat, a second emperor as hit the warp!
Emperor 2:Heroic boogaloo
@@joeyuzwa891POV Tzeentch is informing his fellow Gods about Ben
@@conradsmight2220its hero time
At least this one isn't as much of dick like the original one
What you'd think he'd call himself for most species?
Orqs? Knife ears? Techroh? Hive Guy? Ben'Tan?
Big B?
Big B is glorious 😂😂😂😂
@@MotherOfQuirks He'd probably call himself something cooler.
Probably steal the name "Master of Man"
"Big B" depends on if the Emperor is different enough genetically to be registered in the Omnitrix as a separate species from humans (the Omnitrix won't let you transform into the same species)
@@sev1120 Big B would probably not happen in 40k because how sketchy the lore wants info on the Emperor to be
@@MotherOfQuirks The B stands for "Based" 🤣
Custodian: do you hear something?
Custodian 2: no, i dont.
* muffled screaming coming from big Es shriveled corpse "IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME-" *
What does this mean?
@@sethziants8394 its a warhammer thing. The emperor has a main character complex so he'd hate ben.
@@SpamorammA oh OK thanks for explaining instead trying to bite my head off. Seriously I try asking or explaining something and people get so angry. Thank you.
@@sethziants8394 no problemo, i get the feeling
Can't help but hear it in TTS voice
2:09 to be exact, by the end of omniverse, the omnitrix contains one million nine hundred and eleven samples of dna... assuming i'm remembering the math correctly
Did Ben unlock the setting that made him Ben 10k or something?
@@BreakyOnline due to the way time works in ben 10 , everytime he learns his future it changes. pre reset he did not have that. It was a custom thing ben 10k made with all his smartest aliens
@@kingcatkong9751 oh, alright
Thanks
@@BreakyOnline if you mean master control, then no*, not in the series proper. thiugh azumuth, the creator of the omnitrix, did say ben might get it fir his 18th birthday
I like the idea that somehow Ben could go about scanning aTyrranid WITHOUT his alien form being a part of the existing hivemind. It would start small and evolve every fight, just lots of fun potential there. I really like the idea of a rogue tyrranid taking on the hive 😅
The Tyranids do fight, it’s normally just a matter of the one that wins gets to pass on its superior genes through Darwinism, less so rogue agents.
Nanomech specifically is a technoorganic example of the Omnitrix basically saying "can't make one of this species without it being controlled by the hivemind? Hold my galvanic beer."
@@theendersmirk5851indeed so he would have insane abilities but I’m not sure if the omnitrix would see the mutation/upgrade as genetic tampering and reset tyranid transformation after each switch. I can also see the ultimate tyranid just being like a second hivemind.
@@kingmarshallofthelightside8892 the real question is "aren't there those gods the Tyrannids have been running away from that are, like, Star sized? Can Ben turn into one of those?"
Also, I'm reminded of OSP a bit the further the video goes on.
"If you take a Grimdark Setting and you put a Hero in it. it doesn't fit. Either the whole world bends around them through the sheer force of their protagonist-ness and un-grimdarks the setting, or the Grimdark wins and they die, usually very nastily."
Ben's heroic enough for 3-arguably 5-galaxies at least
I got that reference!
I understood that reference!
@@ajanis95I don't get it
@@thelordofthelostbraincells Azmuth loves to say he's the smartest being in 3, arguably 5, galaxies.
@@ajanis95huh, least he’s humble enough to not say the whole universe
I can already imagine a scenario where Ben turns into Rath and just lays into a dark eldar about how much of a beating they're about to receive
“lemme tell you you something Drukhari!”
As someone who never played Mass Effect, I was NOT prepared for "Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space"
SIR Isaac Newton
I find the idea of "WAAAAGGHHH Tennyson" hilarious.
A boss so bad even Ghaz will call boss. Truly the greenest of green.
LEMME TELL YOU SOMETHING GAZGHUL, THE BEST COLOR IS RATH!
Callidus assassin stares at Ben.
Ben stares at Callidus assassin.
"Wait, your time limit isn't weird and arbitrary and you can actually choose what you become consistently?"
"Wait, your transformations aren't cripplingly painful and can be performed without a ton of specialist training?"
Simultaneous: "So jealous."
Ben: *scans an ork*
Watch: *turns him into a peak krork*
This would be a fantastic series of novels. A good hearted boy with immense power shoulders the galaxy size responsibility of trying to end the endless wars of the grim darkness of the far future, because he knows he is the only that has any chance of actually doing it.
Trazyn would go insane for that Omnitrix, an item that can turn you into any species including gods? He'd be constantly gunning for ben
Good luck taking it off Ben when he has an arsenal of aliens able to solo necrons 😂
Not like stronger beings haven't tried that before
Iquisitor: "So, son, you have this item that transforms you into various xenos?"
Ben: "Yeah, that's about right."
Inquisitor: "PURGE THE XENO! GET HIM!"
rip that inquisitor
Look man, i get that you dislike inquisitors and all but holy shit calm down
Although Ben has physical ability in spades. I believe his smart and technological aliens like gray matter, brainstorm, Juryrigg and Upgrade are the deciding factor.
@chillman7861 upgrade find some necrons tech and goes hog wild with power
@@franciscorui Upgrade is the peak of his entire species so I'd assume his DNA would also have some failsafes against data corruption (since data is like genes in his case)
@@BreakyOnline it's not corruption it's going mad with power. Getting into a Cryptek's vault would make him a near god.
Also it's Pinnacle not peak. The omnitrix takes the DNA sample finds a good above average sample, and puts them in the ideal form so to speak. Think each alien is the Batman equivalent to their species.
Jetray being independently capable of non-Warp based FTL on a scale that laughs at traversing mere galaxies might also impact things somewhat.
The thing is
Ben wouldn't become a simple Tyranid, he would become the master of the hive mind, or better saying, a modified version on the prime of the species.
Just like with nanomach. He isn't controlled by the queen
Warhammer fans: Warhammer 40k is the most OP science fiction universe
Ben 10: Hold my watch
Ben: Ow! Don't actually take it off me, its attached!
The only way someone could imagine 40K is the most OP science fiction universe is if you're remarkably ignorant of sci-fi in general.
From Doctor Who to literary classics like the Xeelee, all the way down to 40K's favorite punching bag in the versus debates, Star Trek when you remember every single versus debate involving Star Trek ever has to explicitly exclude all the random omnipotent aliens just hanging out on random planets. If you've got to nerf your opposition, that's you admitting you can't beat them as they are.
doctor who is definitely top 3 with how effortless temporal genocide is
I think the scariest thing Ben can do in the W40K universe is giving the idea of the omnitrix to the orks. Even if Ben explains how it works in the worst way possible, so as long as they can see him transform, they'll SOMEHOW copy it.
CUZ ORKS IS ORKS AND WE DO WATS WE WANT
sure, but they don't have the original aliens there
Why wud Orkz want to be not Ork? Green iz best!
@@wigiot1273 But what if one ork said, "to battle enemy must think like enemy, if i become enemy ork win" and then one ork would point out that someone transformed into the enemy, then gang him on and obliterate him
Turning into other species doesn't sound very Orky to me.
Ben: *Shapeshifts into the Tyrannid Overmind*
I feel like you got 40k mixed up with StarCraft
@deltax8202 meh, close enough (this answer probably would piss off a bunch of people lol)
@@armandasjuska1204 "League of legends is just Dota2" moment 😂
"It's 10000 Xenos in 1 dude? Exterminatus the whole sector!
That one DLC mission from Mass Effect 2
The fact that Ben can just scan any creature and 'specimen' in its prime, is already game over for most of 40K.
But my god, what a horrific thing to think about the Adeptus Mechanicus capturing and experimenting on a child with xenotech is just Tuesday for them.
We see with nanomech in the alien swarm film and that X guy from the reboot, ben 10 can turn into aliens from a hive mind but the omnitrix has mental safeguards from it overtaking him but can still access it like how nanomech could sense the queens influence and the X guy can control those hes linked to so tyranids could totally be a transformation. As for orks, we see rath brings down Ben's intelligence but doesnt affect ben and meets the sapience requirement and orks are definately more intelligent than wildmutt. Primarks and demon primarks couldnt be a transformation as theyre mutant humans and the omnitrix doesnt see mutations as genetic differences (it might be able to fix the demon primarks with its genetic repair function though)
See, the problem with him being stupid when turning into an Ork wouldn't actually be a problem... because the omnitrix turns him into a peak specimen of the species (notable with fourarms, as male tetramands are weaker than the females, and he beats Looma).
This means that Ben would be a Krork.
@@beskarbaron6503 i thought krorks were more different to orks than just smarter, iirc theyre physically a lot taller and balanced preportionally than the top heavy orks aswell their intelligence and control over the waagh. Also its been 100s of millions if years since the krorks/eldar)c'tan/necrontyr and the orks of the imperium's time so that much devolution would probably seperate them enough for a prime modern ork to not be a krork
@@declanbarker2777 Yeah, but Ghazkull, The Beast, and the Primorks all at least imply that that orks are capable of getting much closer to krorkish capabilities, if not full krorks.
Even without that, their technology is genetic, and random orks can have telefrag guns. Hell, at least one ork has partial access to actual Krork Tech Knowledge, even if it is inconsistent.
Even just going by the best ork we know of, The Beast, is a lot, to where Vulcan sacrificed himself to kill The Beast. Not to mention that ork command system is literally "follow the biggest guy".
Also, The Beast wasn't the end stage of Ork, he was still growing rapidly.
Even if Ben can't become a Krork, he would still be the single most dangerous ork in existence.
@@beskarbaron6503 oh yeah absolutely no doubt about the transformation being a hell of a threat i just think seeing it as specifically a krork doesnt make sense. Im not suuuper deep into warhammer so i need to research what the beast and the primorks are though they sound so cool
@@beskarbaron6503 I'd say that ben would just turn into a smarter Gaz'ghul and would need to stay and fight in that form to grow. But he might be able to turn into the various sub-groups of ork and orkoids. Weirdboyz, Painboyz, Mekboys
"how would ben 10 handle w40k"
With emotional damages and PTSD.
I can imagine a Ben born in The Warhammer universe and having Qmnitrix, he would grow up to be similar to the Emperor with green power arm and glowing green eyes
Glowing green eyes? Can he also walk through walls disappear and fly?
@@rebornskeleton5232 Yeah
Yeah and glowing green balls
Eyeballs I mean
@@loveableheathen7441 damn no Danny phantom fans yet
a few things:
ben could just scan a ctan spliter and become a full ctan, ctan are gaseous aliens inside of necrodermis bodies, similar to how echo echo is living sound or feedback is living electricity in synthetic bodies
ben could just dna repair the emperor
another thing to bring up is foresight
chaos would know about what ben plans on doing and will try to stop him, but so would chars like eldrad or big e
while its easy to see how many enemies ben would have we also have to count how many alies he would, with eldrad being all to happy to teach ben how to use his psyker powers since he doesnt have an eldar soul so slaanesh cant call dibs
and big e will realize that ben is the most guaranteed way to stop chaos, tyranids, and just save humanity from itself, guliman would realize the same things once they meet
i can see bobby g and big e giving him the rogue trader pass to set up shop in his own small empire, as long as he pays his taxes
the other thing ben brings is technology, grey matter and brainstorm would make daot and necron tech look like toys if given the resources to do so
Finally, to adress the alien x shaped elephant in the room
while alien x cant directly manipulate magic/ mana and probsd the warp, alien x can change its properties to allow him to do so
alien x doesnt have to erase the chaos gods, he can just make em feed on positive emotions
So if Ben scanned a C'tan shard he would just turn into a non-sentient stellar gas cloud since the physical bodies and the sentence those bodies give them are not naturally part of the C'tan? The C'tan don't even have DNA so would he be able to turn into them at all?
So basically
Chaos gods: Ha, even at your full strength you can’t destroy us!
Alien X: You are now vegan.
@@ionavram4002 I think the ctan would be like the anodites. They might just be sapient spacial-energy being without anything to really scan. Echo echo and Feedback are good examples for what the ctan could be but I think that ctan are simply just not "living things", especially since they are antithetical the the warp/souls
@@natalie6811 yeah
But that's not considering ben becoming a ctan
Let alone using the ultimatrix on a ctan, an eldar or a alien x
@@franciscorui I disagree
The daemons would be like anodites
They are beings of spirit with no code to make up their bodies
Ctan are purely material
Nrg and atomix are also pure energy in hazmat suits
And the aliens don't have to be "alive" as seen with ghost freak who are made of dead mana
Imagine Ben using Upgrade to not just fix the Golden Throne, but improve it to the point where The Emperor can finally rejuvinate.
Ben Tennyson can solo a lot of universes
Just not anyone with Hal Jordan in it.
@@VunderGuy Correction, just not one where Hal Jordan is written by death battle
He Beats base hal no problem death batlle IS Just wrong like they almost always are@@VunderGuy
This Hal Jordan slander has got to stop. Like, really has to stop.
@@VunderGuy Its not slander. Hal is strong, true, but not omnipotent level of strong. There is no world in which he can beat Alien X.
Otherwise, the rest of the fight was cool.
Helldivers vs Killzone Helghast
They would liberate each other
Realization if Ben could restore the Necrons who you’d be starting from scratch with. Then couldn’t he literally restore the Emperor
It is a possibility, if the watch can't his various smart aliens and upgrade could probably figure something out
He might, but is it *really* worth it? Ben could do better by restoring humanity’s tech.
I mean yeah since fixing DNA is in the Omnitrix functions yes
Worst case scenario, he could go Clockwork and just time reverse the Emperor, the Throne, and the Webway portal all to before Magnus broke it.
I don’t believe so, with the Necrons they had their biology changed. But the Emperor didn’t, he’s literally just been sitting on the Golden Throne for so long that his body has just Rotted away, there wasn’t any kind of mutation process it’s just natural decay.
10:47 Kinda from what I remember not turning into mutants is a safety feature of the Omnitrix so Ben can turn into mutants but he has to turn off the safety feature first I remember I heard this from someone but I could be wrong
I found it as a footnote on the wiki and mentioned in a video by the Ink Tank, so take it with a grain of salt but there is precedent out there for it.
i dont remeber this at all, i dont think he can turn into humans at all. granted a primarch might be so distant from humans that it could work
@@thebluepaladin he never does it in the show it’s more of an iceberg trivia fact of the omnitrix so the specific rules of this function are not entirely known to us
@@thebluepaladinshow kind of conflicts with itself at times. Ben 10k in ultimate alien was able to ultimate himself, mutating his own DNA to be able to change his body at will to have the characteristics of aliens but still being very much human.
Even if Ben can't be human mutants, he could be abhumans because some of them are different enough to caunt as a subspecies such as Custodies and Primarc but not space marines
The Tau would be like Ben's plumbers in the 41st millenium lol
Azmuth: "Its a device for peace"
In this scenario Ben literally unites and brings peace to this universe.
@@roychen5235 “its a universal translator” -azmuth
ben gonna have fun
Orcs- Go fight the tyranids. Forever waagggh.
Necrons: Stop killing people and I'll give you your bodies back.
Also, with the Omnitrix, he could HEAL The Emperor!
Healing the emperor isn't a good thing it would just cause more wars
The imperium would despise Ben for the majority, no matter what he does for them and technically being human. Using a device which could transform him into any Xeno imaginable (Especially ones that they've yet to see or hear about) would easily be seen as heretical and put a target on his head.
@@sushiroll2545
This honestly. There might even be alot of strife between the current loyalists and the Emperor as well, the best case scenario is having Big E go back to his Webway project and let Gulliman, Dorn, and a Reformed Lion act as the Imperium's Triumvirate.
@@redline841 Honestly, even putting the primarchs in charge is a bad idea, they’re all still turbo fascists.
@@TenBillionAnts
You're supposed to make me hate them
Ben 10 would immediately be seen as a xenotech abomination the moment any imperial members lay eyes on the omnitrix.
As I am thinking about this video further, I believe that the Lamenters would be the most loyal space marine legion to serve under ben for one singular reason: he could cure them of the Black Rage.
The second Ben hears these poor boys suffering violent episodes of their Primarch's final moments, he would immediately use the Omnitrix to try and fix their Gene Seeds.
If he can cure the Necrons of their immortal curse, then it wouldn't be too farfetched to say he could do the same for the Lamenters.
Although, they would most definitely be reluctant to work with other Xenos. But they would quickly remember why they are serving him and would have no other choice but to suck it up and comply.
14:25 Yes but Ben is willing to kill if necessary he’s done it a lot of times actually he has a bigger body count then you would think but he’s definitely not Grim Dark level
I can't actually think of a time that Ben's killed someone. He absolutely has had villains die, but that's usually incidental or performed by someone else.
@@tyinyk the giant tick and those octopus cyborgs from the classic series Ghostfreak Zs’Skayr a lot of time actually the incursean ship he blasted as way big only 1 escape pod launched out of that ship meaning all the other incursean definitely died in omniverse Malware Maltruant who is stuck in a loop of death there’s probably more that I can’t remember but Ben has a big body count he also tried killing Kevin and Aggregor so I think Ben will kill if there is no other option
It's funny cuz technically Ben's body count should be infinite because he put Maltruant into an infinite deathloop jojo style.
@@potatofarmergyro1720 true I wonder how many Characters in fiction can say that they have an infinite body count even if only Technically it’s still terrifyingly impressive
@@potatofarmergyro1720 Actually are there any Warhammer characters that can say they have an infinite body count
Maybe he can't transform into a space marine, BUT he can transform every single space marine into a regular human with the DNA repair feature, returning them to the "base human" form.
That aside, he could transform into every single Chaos God (this because he has alien x, meaning the omnitryx can handle that amount of power)
The idea of child Ben turning into a 40k ork is so incredibly funny.
In regards to the tyranid hivemind, it is speculative, but i think the omnitrix would handle that for Ben without too much of an issue. We don’t see too many of them in canon, however Echo-Ecgo’s species is canonically a hive mind, and when Ben Transforms into them he simply becomes the hivemind itself and control all sub-units he creates rather than being controlled by the progenitor of the DNA sample. (As indicated by his ability to finish sentences through multiple bodies, demonstrating that his mind was not split, but is still singular). There’s also nanomech, who’s species was a hive-mind controlled by the Microchip Queen, who’s control Ben demonstrated complete immunity to in nanomech form, again supporting the omnitrix automatically disconnecting him from the control of external hive minds.
Obviously echo-echo and nanomech aren’t exactly a tyranid, but given this piece of evidence and the overall ludicrous hax of the omnitrix i don’t think its that unreasonable to think that it woud operate in a similar way when it assimilated their dna, splitting Ben off into his own hive-mind with his own shadow in the warp separate from the control of the main one.
All that being said i don’t see why Ben would even want to be a tyranid when he has so many better options available with more powerful abilities without us needing to have this conversation, so while i do think he could do it, it is a bit irrelevant all things considered.
I personally think Ben would probably still copy Tyranids if only to get a look into how they work as a species. He'd transform into them once, come to a horrific realization, and keep the dial firmly away from ANYTHING Tyranid for a long, LONG time. Or save it as its own little "oh shit" button.
Although I do confess to some curiosity about "Hive Fleet Tennyson" and how that might end up working out.
@@Deadeye129 Yeah with a Black and green color scheme that would look unique!
@@shcdemolisherOr fucking terrifying... Imagine them having EVERY SINGLE DNA the damn watch has
Ben is a quarter annodite, I think that's what they are called. His grandmother is an energy alien, and Gwen becomes one.
To say at peak doesn't do it justice, it turns Ben into the most powerful most evolved version of the race not the peak version but quite literally the perfect version
Seeing as Four arm's kind has the females over powering the males, and his is just stronger, it says alot
For the point on Orks he likely would not become a Krork since mutants and subspecies are considered separate. He would likely just become a Ghazkull level Ork
I mean Ben did basically become the Jesus/messiah figure of an alien species aka Chromastone who is apparently the Jesus figure of Diamondhead's species so who knows maybe he really could become a Krork.
Counterpoint: if Ben allies with the Necrons and visits Trazyn's museum, there's just a Krork casually on display there.
But if anything Orks would be the mutation, so it would have to be a Krork he turned into.
Thing is orks devolved from Krorks. They didn't split off and become their own thing. In fact that's what the Beast was. The orks evolved so hard that they had a Krork again, he was just a juvenile that hadn't yet seen enough combat to fully grow. While it's lieutenants were prime orks. Just at the precipice. The way the Omnitrix works is that while you don't usually transform into an exact replica of a specific member of a species. You instead transform into the pinnacle of that species. The best of the best. So by that logic. Ben could become a Krork. I can see him not becoming The Emperor though because while he and all his augmented superhumans are like various stages of human evolution. The Emperor came about through a ritual of mass suicide that involved numerous souls. He's more of a anomaly than an evolutionary achievement.
He would be the persona of gork and Mork
The funniest thing I can imagine is Ben expecting the Eldar to look like freakish aliens due to the masks they always wear just to turn into one and be let down at realizing they're basically elves.
ironically the imperium would be one of ben's biggest obstacles
Well, Pre Guiliman and Lion waking up, because unlike 90% of the Brainlet leaders of the Imperium Those two would realize Ben would be the biggest shot at fixing shit
He could forcefully make every human part alien to make them ALL heretics
@@xadielplasencia3674 in theory, but ben would not do that at least if being written in line with his character
@@digunder14 Why wouldnt he? he literally did just that to the aliens in Ultimate
@@xadielplasencia3674 there is a lot more going on in that case you are referring to, you are oversimplifying it
If he didn't die, he would certainly have a mental breakdown due to the sheer horror of it.
He watched his universe stop existing and then remade it and only thing he cared about was his smoothy tasting different no he wouldn't be traumatized people dont understand how much of a cruel cunt ben could be
He watched his entire universe die and was over it in less than a hour
@@brendandonohue2398 Watching the universe merely die is pussy shit compared to thousands of years of endless suffering and atrocities.
Ben is not going to cope.
@@GUMMRUCHK bruh watched his entire universe die person by person and could see and hear every single one begging for help
He wouldn't instantly be reduced to a quivering pile and IF he was...so what? Now you got a being that has the power of a chaos God IN THE MATERIAL REALM that is now pissed off and has no more morals
There's no wincon for 40k when even without alien x Ben has aliens that are casual planet buster like waybig who tanked the incursion conquest beam or gravattack who could can create black holes on demand and just sit back and watch the enemy go poof
@@GUMMRUCHK ok even if we assume he mentally breaks...so what? He can't be killed and now you have someone who can casually erase reality except now he's pissed off 😂
So....he still wins minimal diff
Horrifiying idea: Ben using Upgrade on Necron-tech to see what would happen.
Also the necron solution might be harder given that theirs no living flesh for the watch to use.
If it worked on nonflesh aliens like Diamondhead, Echo Echo, NRG and Ghostfreak....
I see no reason why necrons would be exempt.
@@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917 Because those aliens are still living things, just stretched out a bit. Diamondhead is just a silicon-lifeform, nrg is a creature that gives off/feeds on intense radiation, and ghostfreak, while somehow a ghost, is also somehow a living thing, most importantly with DNA. If it doesn't really have DNA or something greatly equal to it, it won't work. Necrons are literal robots, their living metal is just called that, it's not actually akive.
@@franciscorui
I guess that makes sense, though I don't know how Echo echo could even enter the omnitrix.
Giving it's a being made out of sound (the body is just a shell)
@@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917 it could be the sound in their body is like the electricity in ours. They are alive via sound like how we're alive via power
@jasonfurumetarualkemisto5917 those aliens even if stretched had DNA. Scanning a Necron is the equivalent if scanning a Wal-Mart mannequin, or a better comparison would be a terminator.
Ben turns into Alien X and tries to rewrite the universe. In the process, he connects to the warp, which becomes a part of him. Under its corruption, now a part of his essence, he becomes a chaos god of 'The Chaos'.
People also forget that Ben can infinitely copy himself,each one also having a fully operational omnitrix. Before he knew the omnitrix wouldn’t let him die he always kept an extra clone of himself in Kevin’s trunk just in case
the omnitrix has that failsafe from the start. it's not a weapon it was supposed to promote intergalactic peace. kinda hard if your emissary dies cause an appoplexian
Knowing how much women seem to love Ben and his powers to transform, I could imagine slaanesh would find him “intriguing”
He got that grandpa Max rizz
Ok, so starting at least from max, the tennyson bloodline is genetically predisposed for alien rizz, noted
It's so WH40K that the fellow humans of the verse is NOT the easiest faction for Ben to ally with 😂
"There's a time to go Hero and there's a time to go ULTIMATE!"
benn 10 just casually transforms into a second tzeech and becomes the 5th chaos god
The only thing that could hope to even bother Ben is Tzeench, god of change, fucking with the Omnitrix mid-transformation.
The transformation is litteraly instant though. There is no inbetween period.
@@kimetsunoacademia3528 Chaos Gods can stop time. But assuming I'm wrong, Tzeench would have to fuck with the Omni-trix before or after a transformation.
@@TheTsugnawmi2010 i mean the Omnitrix has survived the destruction of the multiverse and is so advanced to the point that nothing else other than ancient magic can tamper with it. Even Asmoth's other device Ascalon which is a sword capable of manipulating reality itself was not able to affect the Omnitrix.
And its not like ben has not fought time gods before and won multiple times.
@@kimetsunoacademia3528 Then I guess Ben becomes the biggest Krork and runs rampant through the setting.
@@TheTsugnawmi2010 reject humanity, embrace krork
Ben 10 fucking scanning a c’tan is a one ingredient recipe for disaster
There are at least a few instances where an Ork shows high intelligence, they may still SOUND kind of dumb (that's really just the cockney accent) but they have shown a few intelligent Orks
When Ben transform into a Carnifex because it's cool looking, only to lose autonomy the moment he transformed
@@hajot2582 it blurs the line feel like it would lean more to animal type predatrix
The omnitrix would most likely stop that its stated that it has a mind of its own and was fast enough to react to big bang and safeguard ben from so if it can do that am sure the hive mind would be a joke in comparison
Sorry to be the “well actually” guy, but the most likely outcome would be something like Nanomech, a wholly unique being that gives him the powers of a tyranid while maintaining his own autonomy.
He whould probally retain his Pearsonaly
@@JammesJack-td6gv Did it save BEN specifically, or just the host wearing the watch at that time? I only watched the OG ben 10, not the fkn loonytoons shit that came after CN started their pedo-art.
Let's be real, Ben would only need 5 aliens, Alien X, Clockwork, Atomix, Waybig and (maybe) Feedback
I mean would he really even need the other 4, when he just has Alien X?
@@kimetsunoacademia3528 True
Thats half the powerhouse playlist right there
Ben immediately succumbs to Tzeentch because he is LITERALLY AN AVATAR OF CHANGE.
GGs
Okay, so joke wise, the biggest obstacle for Ben if he starts Tau side and he ends up accidentally whooing Shadowsun because that would probably put him in the crosshairs of the Captain General of the Custodes
ah a tts enjoyer
Guilliman: F-FATHER, IS THAT YOU?!
Ben: My bad, forgot this thing doesn't time out anymore!
11:50, To quote Bricky. “Guilliman woke up, took one look at the Imperium after 10,000 years, and IMMEDIATELY wanted to fucking die.”
11:36 damn that darksiders 2 soundtrack caught me off guard
A cultured choice to be sure
me too 😆 I fucking loved that franchise. I hope they will make darksiders 4 with strife
@@yousifal-saeedi8767 thq teased a new game the other day. Didn't show much tho.
I think he could turn into a Tyrannid. Not only he becomes the prime of the species, but what's to say he wouldn't become a some sort of other "king" of a hive mind.
Let's remember that in some cases, the Omnitrix doesn't just give Ben the physical attributes of a race, but also the mental ones. When becomes Grey Matter, he gains the intelligence of a Galvan (my headcannon is that the DNA donor was Azimuth). And the Omnitrix can also maximize each form's potential to their Ultimate form.
So if the Omnitrix absorbs DNA from an Eldar, Eldar-Ben will have the intelligence and Psyker potential of an Eldar. With the Ultimate Form, you would basically see Ben becoming a Farseer to rival or even surpass Eldrad or Yvraine.
If he absorbs Tyranid DNA, Tyranid-Ben will probably become master of his own Hivemind. He could potentially even OVERRIDE the hive-mind of the Tyranid. Imagine him arriving in a planet with Genestealer Cults, and the Genestealers essentially becoming enthralled to serve him. He'd turn the Tyranids against each other.
If he absorbs Ork DNA, as Buster says, he would be elevated to a Krork. Now, as a Krork, Ben would probably dominate the WAAAAAGH collective mind energy of the Orks. Emperor knows what THAT would result in. And as you said, he could fix their genes to make them all into Krorks. Warboss Ben of the Krork Empire? That would make Tetramands feel cuddly and weak.
My personal theory is that the Omnitrix doesn't just work with DNA, but bioelectrical and psychic energy as well, so it could potentially absorb Necron DNA. That by itself wouldn't matter much... unless Ben got the DNA of a Necron Cryptek and/or Overlord. Someone like Szeras, Trazyn or Orikan.
The thing to keep in mind about Ben Tennyson is that, immature as he is, *he essentially becomes a Doctor Who character if pushed to his extremes.* That thing he did where he sets the Omnitrix to self-destruct on Vilgax's arm and FULFILLS his promise to let it explode? When he was willing to kill Kevin 11 if Kevin became too much of a threat? The Ben 10.000 that beat _Vilgax into pulped smear on the wall??_ That is Ben when the chips are down, and if he doesn't have Kevin, Gwen, Rook or Max with him, he will NOT hold back.
Put him on Warhammer 40K, and THAT is the Ben we'll be dealing with.
He will NOT be like Steven Universe or Naruto Uzumaki, crying and Talking No Jutsu until people turn on a new leaf. You put him on Holy Terra? *He will turn into Way Big and start stomping around until the Imperium shuts the fuck up, listens to him and capitulates.* He will _threaten_ the Tau, Eldar and Necrons into collaborating with the Imperium (and vice versa). And he will have NO mercy on Orks, Drukhari or Tyranid.
And the moment he gets his Omnitrix close to Big-E or a C'tan Shard? *_It's game over. It will be Alien X with no Bellicus or Serena._*
The Omnitrix is the ultimate genetic manipulation weapon. Its potential is, quite frankly, insane and unlimited. And Ben, for all his heroism, is WICKED scary when he wants to be. That's why I respect the HELL out of him.
Now, can he deal with Chaos? The creators of Ben 10 have contradicting opinions on whether or not the Omnitrix can take the form of an Eldritch Lovecraftian Horror like Dagon, who is the closest thing to Daemons and the Chaos Gods that Ben ever fought. I think that Ben could PROBABLY absorb the energy from the Daemon Primarchs (they still have SOME likeness to humans left, after all). Anything else? I dunno. And whether or not Ben could resist Chaos corruption is a whole nother shebang.
I gotta hire you for my writing team
@@Buster-McTunder
😳Uh, wow... I'd be deeply honored! I'm from Brazil, though, so it'd have to be long-distance work! 😅
Ben could be everything the Imperium hates/fears, and the only thing standing in the way is his opinion that being evil is Not Cool
@@Beebles190
Yes, but like I said, without his team to rein him in, that will go out the window the moment he sets eyes on an Imperial World. All bets will be off.
@@DeathMessenger1988 While Ben is capable of messing up the entire Imperium, I still can't help but feel that everyone is underestimating the creativity and ingenuity of all the factions working for the Imperium.
Ben IS dangerous when pushed to his extreme BUT at the same time it has also been shown that Ben is a fairly "average" guy and has been easily caught off guard too many times. Putting that up against the psychopaths that live in WH40K??
I am not so sure about his chances.
I feel like the Imperium would see the Omnitrix as heresy and deem Ben as a heretic for taking on forms that were not in the image of the God Emperor.
Funnily the Inquis. and the Church can't do shit to him since the omnitrix's failsafe to protect Ben from any attacks and transport him to a "Safer" place, the Omnitrix may or can heal the Emperor, the loyalist primarchs would suspicious for a time, but in time, Guiliman and Khan might be the first to accept Ben as an "Ally" just between them cause how big of an ASSET with that power is, next would be Vulkan then last would be the Lion'el and Leman rus, Daemon Corax is still in the immaterium spawn camping the Traitors XD
If I may offer a quick counterpoint, The Kahn is described as moving so fast at one point that he disrupts the fabric of reality a lil bit, for what its worth
Poor ben would be traumatized and shattered by the grim darkness .
20:33 was SUCH a good transition!
Ben turning into prime god emperor of mankind
One wrong scan and Ben will end up trapped as a tyranid...💀
We forgetting Nanomech exists?
@@John-Starkpeople forget he's actually canon.
Can Ben 10 survive the Destiny universe post-The Final Shape? He still has access to all of his aliens from the original series to Omniverse with the exception of Alien X.
He could survive it, just not change it to fit his whims without alien x
His own universe is about that level already
He couldn't trust me from d2 allegation😂😂
Alien X won't do him so much there's other gods there.
To be fair I'm pretty sure alien X is stated to not be the strongest alien he has by one of the creators so..
Its all shits and giggles until ben uses alien x
Ben 10 turns into a Ctan the moment he finds a Necron battery
Scan the nids. Take control of a norn queen and boom, you have control of a whole ass splinter fleet.