Star Wars Alternate Timeline: What If Qui-Gon Jinn Never Died
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- Star Wars Prequel Trilogy: Qui-Gon Jinn Never Died
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Ever since the passing of Qui-Gon Jinn in “Star Wars: The Phantom Menace”, the fate of the galaxy was set in stone. With the Jedi Order blinded by their own dogmatic view of the force, Anakin Skywalker was destined to become Darth Vader and bring an end to the Jedi. However, with the birth of Luke Skywalker, a new hope came to the Galaxy. Trained by Ben Kenobi and Master Yoda, Luke became the Jedi Knight the galaxy needed and helped his father Anakin, return to the light, fulfill the prophecy of the chosen one and end Emperor Palpatine's reign of the galaxy. That’s until he decided to Essence Transfer himself into a clone of course.
Now what if Qui-Gon survived and defeated Darth Maul? Well that would change everything! It’s highly likely that if Qui-Gon did survive, he would become Anakin’s Master regardless of what the Jedi wanted. Qui-Gon followed the living force and only the living force. He nearly became a Gray Jedi. So, in this alternative timeline, how would this change of events change the fate of the Galaxy? If trained by Qui-Gon Jinn, would Anakin still become Darth Vader or would there be balance in the force? This question is what we are looking at in today's CBR What If video! What events in the prequel trilogy change? What, if anything would stay the same? What do you think would happen if Qui-Gon survived? Join us in a galaxy far far away as we dive into this Star Wars What if!
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Star Wars really needs a "What If" series of it's own
I was thinking the same thing
more than marvel does
Well that would be crazy cuz every single moment could have a what of like, wat if padme didn’t get pregnant, wat if anakin didn’t turn to the dark side, wat if qui gon survived, wat if palpatine wasn’t on the dark side, wat if anakin was never founded, wat if padme and anakin didn’t get together, wat if anakin beat obi, wat if Finn was a Jedi, wat if windu killed the emperor
@@rashidalokozay6414 Might be a comic at most instead of a movie/tv show.
@@rosecomet18 even when marvel did it it sucked like who questioned if black panther became star lord
Count Dooku would never kill Qui-Gon regardless of his dark side stance he’d probably disarm him
Yeah, exactly.
why would he not, thats the dark side thing u know, to KILL
@Shamiul Pervez yea but u see darkside users killing thier masters and apprentices every time
@Shamiul Pervez ok
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Video: What if Qui-Gon Jinn never died?
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Exactly it said what if qui Gon never died it should have been what if qui Gon didn't die in phantom menace
Lol fr
SMH Yeah, exactly. If you're gonna play out the thought, you keep Qui-Gon alive throughout 1, 2, and 3. Killing him off by Dooku is an error to me.
@@awesomerwithuk7390 Yeah, if Qui-Gon would never die, he would be immortal.
Jedi: "Fear leads to anger and hate and suffering"
Also Jedi: fears the dark side and Anakin.
Yes
The original quote is actually fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.
I respected Qui-Gon for not joining the council. He was the wisest Jedi then.
That council was a bunch of hypocrites and fools
Bruh you got like 7 comments in the top.
I have question! in the scenes with laser walls (like 1:50) how did Maul And Qui_Gon Jinn FIGHT and walk and go to the Last "section" While Obi Wan RAN and went at the last "section"...LIKE is he THAT slow????
@@teodortodorov4712 i think so? or he would be able to save qui gon
@Chun Yuk Ou He kind of was
Anakin would have a father figure in his life.
Not only that but he had been more suspicious of Palpatine, and also he also did everything by the will of the force not the jedi way
He’d tell Qui gon about he’s nightmares in episode 2 and 3
Obi-Wan Kenobi was his brother and like his father in many ways
@@johnnyhill3500 Always like a brother although Obi-wan was technically a Jedi knight at the time he had no where near the wisdom nor patience of Qui-gon, a Jedi master. Simply put Obi-wan was just not ready for the responsibility of caring for a padawan which is like having a child.
Palpatine was a father figure, just not a good one
The only 2 issues I have with this is I feel Obiwan would have left the order with Jinn and Anakin. He was loyal to him as like Anakin Obiwan also saw Quigon as a Father. He would have also continued his training along side Anakin and probably have been an even better duelist. The other is I think Anakin still would have been reintroduced to Padame. Just their relationship wouldn't have been as secretive.
Yes i had that issue to!
Obi Wan was more loyal to the council I think he would have stayed
Quigon would have told Obiwan to stay with the order with the hope that in time his presence would influence the council towards Quigon's thinking.
@@DarkLordJman Anakin would’ve been slingin way more loads up in Padme’s tight little snatch 🍑 💦 🍆
Obi,-Wan believed in the order. Look in TPM wh we're he tells Qui-Gon "if you would just follow the council ..." Qui-Gon's response is "I will do what I must." Also past Ep. 1 Obi-Wan never does anything to go against the council or even doubt anything they say. He is a true believer.
Qui-Gon is extremely underrated. Just saw The Phantom Menace again yesterday, and I realized how smart he was.
Imagine Anakin being a Jedi throughout the whole 6 movies, but with Obi-wan as his master still. That would be so cool.
Yeah they should make an alternate timeline saga or something
@@Acid716.5 if they did that would allow for recasting of all the character since in the new timeline everyone look different
@@jedipadwan20 maybe it could be animated?
@@jellyrollz6937 actually I don’t like recasting so I don’t know why I said that cause since everyone is still alive there’s no reason to recast.
The whole 6 movies indeed. I appreciate what you did there.
A year after you said it.
If only Qui-Gon had more screentime. He'd be a ghost.
He was a ghost in clone wars
You can even hear him yelling "ANAKIN, NO" in Episode II
@@thgduels4519 wait what when
@SimpleSheep when Anakin not only killed the men, but the women and children too
@@IPartyonGames hehehe
I'll train him then. I'll take anakin as my padawan learner.
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@THE MANDALORIAN Same thing
Qui Gon is so underrated. I wish he had a series of his own
I think he will have an episode in Tales of the Jedi
@@arboxen cross ur fingers
Me too , I’ve been saying this for awhile I hope it happens 😭🤘🏼
him and Obi-Wan are my favorite Jedi. I was introduced to Star Wars on Phantom menace and cried so much when Qui-Gon died like Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan may have been ready to become a Jedi knight but he was not ready to loose his father figure and best friend. I beleive that if Qui-Gon had survived he would have left with both Obi-Wan and Anakin and trianed them together. It would been a great team. In my cannon Qui-Gon doesnt die!
Obi-Wan wouldn't be screaming, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
I’m just waiting for someone that didn’t watch the phantom menace and only watches the end of each trilogy to be put on r/wooosh in this reply section
yo, stop commenting please
@zap genesis shut up
@@saulzyz no
@@xaoc1421 fr 😂😂😂
I can only find one serious issue, although it is admittedly fairly important: Qui-Gon was well-known for rediscovering the secret of becoming a force ghost, I have no doubt that he would communicate through the force to Anakin after his death, even if he wasn't able to do so in corporeal form.
You’re right, huge plot hole in my opinion.
@Star Bored yes but he had gone far enough where he could atleast speak to anakin, just not far enough to visibly appear as a ghost.
@Star Bored but that was with him dying in phantom. With the extra time especially 10 years I believe qui gon would have finished his training
@Star Bored The new episode of Kenobi shows Qui Gon in full force ghost form. I believe a force ghost can also keep learning.
I could have sworn Qui-gon finished his force ghost training while he was unalive but I'm not amazing with lore. Either way, I think you could easily work in some obstacle delaying him from learning until the timing was right for the story.
What If Qui-Gon Jinn Never Died
me: Then he would live
This actually makes a lot of sense as a plot and the archetype of a protagonist who has good and bad and must learn to integrate both is actually much more akin to real humanity.
It's also a complete misunderstanding of Star Wars lore. The light side represents good and the dark side represents evil, and the light side IS the balanced Force. That's it. You don't embrace your evil half, that would be ridiculous. You overcome it. Also it makes no sense in this theory that Qui-Gon would teach Anakin the light and dark side, since Qui-Gon is completely dedicated to the light, or in other words, the will of the Force.
Funniest part of this video is when it says Anakin using the light and dark (which isn't even possible) would make him more level-headed, lol. No, the dark side is why Anakin leveled Dooku's head in Revenge of the Sith.
edit: Video also contradicts itself towards the end saying Anakin has return to the light side or something, so idk what they're even saying.
@@RenegadePlayingGames yup, more people who don't understand the light and dark sides.
Anakin would not be evil and he would have reached his full potential
No not really
@@Squeekysquid Palpatine made him evil and Even if he trained with him palpatine will have still invited him to the place
Anakin could have been the most powerful Jedi in history if he reached his full potential
He would be evil because palpatine would assassinate qui gon soon after episode 1
@@bofadeez9853 he already was the best, but the dark side blinded him
I disagree, I think that Anakin wouldnt forget what Qui-Gon taught him, especially since unlike Obiwan, and as you pointed out Jinn would definitely be a father figure and would have taught actual discipline and temperance
Yea there's even an article on CBR that states that Qui-Gon's influence would've stopped Anakin from turning to the Dark Side.
I have always said Palapatine's entire plan to make Anakin become his apprentice was to get rid of Qui-Gon Jinn. If you watch the choreography of the fight between Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and Darth Maul, you will see Darth Maul focuses on fighting Qui-Gon and all but ignores Obi-Wan. Mostly Maul just keeps knocking Obi-Wan out of the fight. Even once Maul kills Qui-Gon, he seems confused what to do next and is killed by Obi-Wan. That's because the mission he was given by Palpatine was completed.
Except, Maul was not killed. He was simply disfigured and paraplegic.
How did he seem confused? I just saw the movie the other day and he actually looked confident that he just killed the master and probably thought that the padawan would be easy pickings. You can see him with a smirk and grin that the fight would be over soon ( in his mind).
@@alexblend4751 It's after Maul pushes Obi-Wan into the pit. Even having the "high ground" he gets defeated rather foolishly IMO. That's was my interpretation of the fight. We also learn later Sidious' other apprentices were used as tools for his scheme (Dooku to push Anakin further to the Dark Side and Grievous to continue the Clone War), so I figure Maul was used to set up Obi- Wan training Anakin, or it could have been just to remove Qui-Gon from the equation...
@@kickballjedi I’m just specifically talking about the whole “maul is confused after killing quigon “ bit. The only time he has that confused look is when he sees that obiwan might be up to something (when obiwan notices his masters lightsaber) that maul is like “wait what he doesn’t think it’s over? Wtf is he up to?”
@@alexblend4751 you are right man. When you watched the fight, after he killed Qui gon with his final blow he fluently steppes back and immediately faces obi wan. As if he ready to get to the next one if it wasn't for the barrier. No confusion at all. Exception is when he got sliced lol. He didn't see that one coming lol
love how instead of just saying "qui-gon would just make everything ok" you actually developed a new plot that was just as itneresting.
Obi-Wan wouldn’t fall out of the ship because unlike Padme...
“He can see things before they happen. It’s a Jedi trait that’s why he appears to have such quick reflexes. Don’t don’t do that again!”
Thank you Qui-Gon, so Obi-Wan would’ve deflected the blast, and Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Anakin would’ve all been facing off with Count Dooku, and since this time Anakin has learned to work with his emotions all these years instead of years of repression and since he saved his mother, he wasn’t raised among the other Jedi and Padme wasn’t there he hasn’t seen his mother die in his arms, several of his friends get blasted away and seen the woman he loves shot out of a ship all within the span of a couple days he wouldn’t be working through the same issues he was working through in the original timeline and wouldn’t have rushed in and been quickly knocked out. So instead of facing Obi-Wan and then Anakin separately he would be facing all three of them at once... he’d be screwed!
Very thought out I concur
And even if obi wan fell out DOOKU IS ALSO 10 YEARS OLDER NOT JUST QUI GON
@CBR continue with this storyline, redo episode three, then give us more 🤘🏻
If Qui-Gon Jin never died, then he would be immortal..
So glad there are others out there who recognise the awesomeness of Qui-Gon Jinn
I think we are all forgetting that the true villain in the entire series is Watto. Imagine if for one moment, he had a change of heart and allowed Shmi to leave with Anakin. Then he wouldn't be so worried about his mom, would not have gone back and watched her die in his arms, and then kill an entire village of Tusken Raiders.
Just let Palpatine get past mom to corrupt Ani.
The true villains are the Jedi, who couldn’t be bothered to (1) enforce the law against slavers on Tatooine or (2) failing that, scrounge around under the clinch cushions for some change to buy freedom for their new youngling’s mom. I mean - they are so worried about Ani’s fear and anger - seems a simple thing to do.
Count Dooku would've never became a Sith.
No he still would have, but when he would see what anakin and qui-gon have become and after being told that he left the jedi order to train anakin in the living force, I feel he would join them in becoming a gray jedi because they are open to attachments and aren't blinded by politics like the jedi have become, but anakin and qui-gon are much more powerful than in the original series because they are weilding both the light side and the dark side of the force in balance.
COunt Dooku became a sith due to Qui-Gon's death in Legends. In the current canon he was already on the path to become Tyranus before Qui-Gon died
Dooku didn’t turn because Qui Gon died he was already planing to leave the jedi
The story of Count Dooku’s fall along with Sifo Dyas’ death is confusing and not thought out by the creators imo
No he would have but panakin would
In this timeline, I feel Anakin would still fall in love with Padme and their marriage would not be in secret, as I feel Qui Gon would give his blessing to Anakin and Padme. As well as Qui Gon would help Anakin with his visions of Padme dying and would figure out Palpatine was Manipulating Anakin with these visions.
The prequels would’ve ended with Anakin still on the light side fulfilling his role as the chosen one, happily married to Padme, and fathering his two children. As well as the jedi admitting to their faults and completely reforming the Jedi order to follow the force instead of being tools for the republic.
Oh and his mother/Lars family would be living on Naboo without ever need of working ever again.
I always thought Anakin becoming Vader still fulfilled that. When you consider it requires balance, and the sith were weak, near extinct without Anakin. I think balance was having both the light and dark.
@@joshuabryant9845 Yup, he did complete it even in a messed up way.
Yeah, that’s one thing I feel this video overlooked. Qui-Gon would have 100% returned to Tatooine at some point to free Shmi, both so that Anakin could feel at peace (feeling fear over your mother who you had to leave behind in slavery is a VERY LEGITIMATE FEAR, idk why the council couldn’t understand that.) and also because Qui-Gon would have felt morally obliged to do it as a Jedi. So they take Shmi to Naboo to live happily with Padmé as something like a handmaid or groundskeeper perhaps, which Padmé would readily allow, and Anakin forms a long-standing friendship with Padmé until they are old enough for their age difference to not be weird anymore, at which point Anakin admits his feelings for her and they fall in love. Qui-Gon, realizing that love is in line with the Light Side, allows it, and they have a healthy relationship without Anakin being afraid to lose her or trying to possess her. With all that, there’s practically zero chance that Anakin turns to the Dark Side. I can still see him being interested in lightsaber combat and learning more about the Sith, and Qui-Gon, not being afraid, encourages this, and it helps Anakin find himself, and maybe even see things the Jedi can’t, with their fear of the Sith. Maybe Anakin eventually figured out who Palpatine is, they contact the Jedi Order in secret and start a resistance, and Palpatine’s plans are thwarted, with Sidious being defeated by Anakin himself sometime down the road after becoming incredibly powerful and skilled.
Can you imagine... The whole family on Naboo would be bouncing all over like Jack Skellington in Christmas Town. The fuck is this? It's green. And so much water... how is this possible.
Anakin no matter what in any case ALWAYS bring balance to the force just in a different way
If Master Qui-Gon had survived and raised Anakin, the two definitely would've brought peace to the Gakaxy, a new Order formed, like The Grey Order or Jedi Empire.
This was AWESOME!!! Qui Gon is my fave jedi and to watch and hear of an alternate timeline with him brought me joy. Thank you for this!
I think that Qui Gon would have enough time to complete his training, so he would have became a Force Ghost
Why didn’t Qui Gon not communicate with Anakin that often through a Force Ghost?
@@glx3846 I think Qui Gon’s voice can be heard when Anakin slaughters the sand people. I interpret that as him being revolted by Anakin actions and him trying to stopping him but i may be wrong.
Video title: “What if Qui-Gon Jinn never died?”
Qui-Gon Jinn in episode 2: *dies*
Lies, deception
If Qui-Gon Jin never died, then he would be immortal..
😂😂😂😂
@@axelcarolton825 One who follows the will of the force truly will live for sometime. Have you ever heard of the story of Master Fey the Light?
that was exactly what i was thinking
@I have 8 balls now then you are lost!
Honestly this follows a lot of what I had in mind for Qui-Gon training Anakin, especially with him leaving the Jedi Order to do so. Qui-Gon would mostly definitely renounce his standing with the Order if they refused Anakin again. Although, I'm of the belief that Dooku would also depart with Qui-Gon and have a hand in training Anakin, too. Remember that Qui-Gon's death was just the final nail in the coffin for him on turning to the Dark Side. The Jedi had failed Dooku already too many times. Upon hearing of Qui-Gon's departure, he would likely leave with Qui-Gon.
Also, with Qui-Gon and Dooku's tutelage, Anakin would likely become all the more balanced in learning both the Light Side and Dark Side. He'd be a Yin-Yang Bomb.
That was pretty good. I like how it didn’t end up with Anakin still falling to the Dark Side and joining Palpatine, which would have been cliché. My one gripe is that I don’t think under Qui-Gon’s teachings, Anakin wouldn’t have started to give in to the Dark Side, even if Qui-Gon died. There would be inner turmoil, but I think Qui-Gon’s teachings would prevail and he’d work things out in himself. He’d still be the person that wants to do good at all costs, but without the recklessness, anger, and fear. Nonetheless, I do like the outcome of this what if, with Anakin going on a journey of self-discovery and finding himself and leading a resistance to finally defeat Sidious.
Better question. What if Qui-Gon defeated Darth Maul?
Or if Luke joind palpatine in return of the jedi
Yes yes yeeeeeeees
@@simonpierre447 empire continues
@@bottlemanepic3781 but palpatine has to lose in way
@@simonpierre447 yeah it would probably end with luke getting back to the light and overthrowing palpatine idk
But Qui-gon became a force ghost. WHY did he not show up in Revenge of the sith and tell Anakin that his visions, palpatine is evil before Anakin acted?
Plot
He tried. In Episode II, while Anakin was slaughtering the Tusken Raiders, Yoda not only sensed it, but also heard Qui Gon shouting for Anakin to stop. Not only that, Qui Gon was one of the only Jedi who could do that, and the only person who could hear him is Yoda, who then trained Obi Wan. So it’s impossible for Anakin to hear Qui Gon’s cries to him
@@haustyl12 Well then again I'm pretty sure everyone else was a lot happier without them
Air Fair incomplete training
he wasn't a force ghost that could appear visually. He only had a voice. Force ghosts cannot interfere, or obi wan would've easily killed vader
I just wish they’d show the effect of qui gon on Obi Wan, like you’d think Obi Wan would think similarly to Qui Gon. And because of neglecting this Anakin is the way he is now.
so do y’all realize Anakin technically fulfilled his prophecy. he was meant to bring balance to the force, correct but whenever he was a child the Jedi overpowered the sith by a mile and when anakin turned to the dark side he killed the majority of them and in the main trilogy we only knew of two jedi yoda and obi-wan
as darth Vader, anakin killed obi-wan and made yoda the only one and then luke became a jedi. so what in summary anakin did exactly what was expected to become of him just not in the way the jedi thought.
Then Yoda died, and Anakin died, leaving 1 of each, Sidious and Luke, then Rey and Kylo. And then it broke in Episode 9. Rey and Kylo vs Sidious. Really Disney? You broke the balance.
wrong what about *Cannon in rebels*
@@teceem Cannon, Ezra, and Cal were balanced out by the sith inquisitors
Why are all the ideas on balance in this comment thread about how many biengs are alive? Balance because this light side user or this dark side user are both existing? I sincerely doubt that balance in the force means weighing lives on a dark-light scale. Also, Kylo's not Sith, Sith and Jedi are philosophical orders, that sometimes turn into political or religious ones, though the word Sith technically comes from a species that had tentacles on their faces. And Jedi came from the word Je'daii I think
@@g.r.4459 That's the "Legends" continuity (old Expanded Universe), my friend. Disney's new timeline pretty much went full stupid.
*then I guess he would be alive.*
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I suspect Palpatine would have gotten more than he bargained for by trying to trigger Anakin's anger. That's what Dooku did and it sealed his defeat. Sidious was Anakin's superior in skill, but Anakin's unleashed rage could prove so intense when unlocked that all of Palpatine's knowledge and power for a brief moment could become irrelevant.
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One event would change the becoming of the chosen one, the fight between Qui-Gon and Maul. I think that Anakin would leave the order like Qui-Gonn did to continue his training with Qui-Gon, he would figure out how to communicate with Anakin as a ghost. A akin and his master would have went to another place in peace to train so Anakin wouldn’t have any communication with Padme, that would result in his fears not existing so he wouldn’t be tempted to join the dark side. After Qui-Gon’s death, Anakin would grow closer to Obi-Wan while their previous master found a way to become a ghost and interact with them. Because of Qui-Gon not dying though, Ahsoka wouldn’t become Anakin’s padowan and in the clone wars she would be paired up with someone else. In the movie of the Clone Wars, Anakin defends Ahsoka by agreeing with her plan against the clones and by telling her that he too was reckless so she might make it as his padowan, but she wouldn’t make it as Obi-Wan’s. Obi-Wan might or might not b paired up with a new padowan in this new timeline, as we saw in the clone wars, a padowan (Ahsoka) made the master (Anakin) more responsible and he didn’t risk his life as much; this might also have happened to Obi-Wan (making him more responsible) so without a reckless padowan, his life could b different too. Anakin and Padme wouldn’t meet again so Padme wouldn’t get pregnant and Luke and Leila wouldn’t be born, or they would but not as Anakin’s children. No Darth Vader so Palpatine would still be looking for another apprentice Sith lord.
I cant believe I'm saying this...but i miss Qui-gon....he was my apprentice. And my son of kind...at least we ar in the high ground now...
Wait aren't you a mandalorian?
@@anastasiab5893 he is
@@Theunfriendlyneighborhoodman I like sand
NO, Dooku was his master, for that, you shall face the full power of the dark side of the force
@@sambhramamundkur1211 I'm already in the dark side, u don't remember, but Killer Queen bit the dust, heh...
CBR your theory’s always help us
U truly do have the high ground
Thank you for this. A brilliant and heartfelt analysis and hypothesis.
But, there is one thing you might have missed. To assume that Qui-gon is "old" whilst dismissing the fact that his former master is even older.
Taking that scenario into mind introduces an alternative scenario to that confrontation, that could lead to his subduing his firmer master, further upsetting the proverbial Applecart.
My intention is not to negate the thread of your line of thought, merely to follow it in its root system of implied possibilities.
Thanks again for your efforts and hard work.❤️👍🏾
There is also the REASON that the clones were made was due to the fall of Sifo and Dooku. Dooku fell because Qui-gon died he blamed the Jedi for sending him on a suicide mission. That is when sideous started to pull his strings and the start of manipulation of the Seperatists forces. Why Dooku was the perfect choice for the reblion, He believed the Republic Corrupt. Sifo having sensed the Empire rising rushed to find a cloning facility but gets intercepted after initial contact and Dooku taking his place with Jango ready. Sideous giving the order of the chips unknown to Dooku for the Orders....
Really Dooku is a Key role in the timeline and Qui-gon dying is a domino setting it all in motion. No dead Qui-gon no Fallen Dooku. Sifo orders clones without Sideous intercepting no order 66 and the Rebuplic have their clones. A new plan he needs to make and the Jedi Fracturing is a key to his kingdom. A jedi Civil War would begin anew.
I love the consistency of your what if, it is great
I can just imagine the original series done in this format I actually like the idea better than what we have now LOL
I’d love this, I need more Qui Gon content in my life 👌🏻
I do agree that having Qui-Gon as a father would have prevented Anakin from turning to the dark side because he would have been much more emotionally mature and balanced. There are some things I disagree with, however.
Going with your theory that Qui-Gon dies at the end of Ep. 2, you just skipped over the Clone Wars into Ep. 3. I do agree that Anakin's relationship with Obi-Wan would be different, and their fighting styles wouldn't so be so closely matched, but it wouldn't be as different as you claim. They were both trained by Qui-Gon Jinn. And having lost Qui-Gon, they would bond over their shared grief as the Clone Wars progressed. They would have years of missions together. I think they would still develop a strong friendship, but it wouldn't be the one that we know. It would be more equal, honest, and open. Part of the dysfunction of the canon Obi-Wan/Anakin relationship was their blatant denial of certain things, like Anakin's relationship with Padme, or just denial of feelings in general.
That leads me to my other issue with your theory. This theory runs with the false idea that Anakin turned to the Dark Side because of his love for Padme. WRONG! He turned to the Dark Side because of his FEAR of losing Padme. Fear and love are not the same thing. The Jedi Code forbidding attachments was one of the many things that was WRONG about the Jedi Order because it made the Jedi aloof and lacking compassion, which is what is supposed to be central in a Jedi's life. I think Anakin would meet Padme again in this "Qui-Gon lives" alternate timeline because I believe it was the Will of the Force that they met, which is exactly what Qui-Gon built his life around, and he would have raised Anakin to do the same. I think they would have a relationship, but since Anakin is not a Jedi, it wouldn't be a "secret." And I think that because of the emotional maturity he gained from being raised by Qui-Gon, his relationship with Padme would be much healthier and much stronger, and he wouldn't be driven by the fear of losing her. If, in this alternate timeline, he started having dreams of losing her, of course he would try to find a way to prevent it, but his emotional stability that he learned from Qui-Gon (and his mother, too, if she also lived) would have given him the strength to resist the Dark Side, even if it meant letting Padme go. We know from Revenge of the Sith that it was a self-fulfilled prophesy. Padme died because Anakin turned to the Dark Side to prevent her from dying. If he didn't turn to the Dark Side, then the prophesy simply wouldn't come true. And then they could have raised Luke and Leia together in a happy ending.
What I think is really interesting to speculate on is how Qui-Gon's continued existence would affect Palpatine/Sidious' plan. As you said, the Jedi's vision of the Force was clouded where Qui-Gon's was not. Palpatine may have been a manipulative genius, but a lot of the reason he was so very successful was because the Jedi were so closed-minded and lost. He played on their weaknesses. If someone like Qui-Gon existed during his rise to power, I think it stands to reason that Palpatine would have been exposed much earlier, early enough that it would have prevented, if not the Clone Wars, then at least Order 66 and the Empire.
I agree with everything you said.
That is the longest beautiful comment I have ever seen
I enjoyed this but I don’t think Qui-Gon would lose to Dooku. But say he did. Qui-Gon rediscovered force ghosts and I believe he’d still be there for anakin like Obi Wan/Yoda and Luke and even Qui Gon and Obi Wan like you see at the end of Kenobi. But nonetheless I found it interesting to think about the possibilities
I’m loving the what ifs
Title: “What if Qui-Gon didn’t die?”
*Makes Qui-Gon die in Episode 2 of this alternate timeline*
All jokes aside this video was great 🔥
Brilliant Anakin had a lot of potential as a good guy, and I would love to conclude the Skywalker saga so a sequel would be awesome
Qui gonn by far was my favorite character in E1 so to see this is a great treat looking forward to more
I think in 4 years of war Kanobi and Anikin would definitely become brothers, they had the same master and would bond on that loss.
That's what they were originally
Kanobi and Anikin xD
The parallel Universe Kenobi and Anakin
I want more qui gon, to go through how episodes 6-9 would happen, please make this happen
Very interesting, good job, subscribed! 👍
I think that if Jinn had not died, the entire clone war arc could've been avoided. Qui gon clearly had misgivings about the chancellor and i believe that he could've killed him before Anakin fell
Another one! I loved this version
this does put a smile on my face.......
wrong universe
wait disney owns marvel and star wars
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"he's to dangerous to be kept alive!"
@@Tkai_Prince32 lmao
@@Bazman123zx cool
This was dope. Give us more.
Please make a part 2! I’m begging you!
I really want more! This is how I would have liked to happen in the original!
Me:
My brain: KA-BOOMY-SHOOMY
Star wars needs to explore a multiverse. Where we see an Anakin Skywalker never becoming Darth Vader. Where we see different adventures with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon
You think about it like 15 years ago we legit only had 6 movies and a animated show, now we've got an entire CInematic timeline of Star Wars lore and they just keep filling the gaps between every Episode movie. It's so awesome. I really hope they somewhat adapt Darth Revan and Kyle Katarn eventually somehow, some way.
I've been dreaming of this scenario since I was a child
Dooku also would have likely tried to recruit Qui-Gon to the dark side, as he attempted to with his first apprentice, Rael Averos. Averos turned him down, despite wanting to leave the order, and I'm sure Qui-Gon would have declined as well. There's seems to be a pattern of "rule breakers" with Dooku's padawans, but they still remain with the light.
I want to see a full version of the movies with Qui-Gon alive
The most Important question when Qui-Gon lives: WHO WILL BE THE MASTER OF THE HIGH GROUND
Obi-Wan is still the master of the high ground.
I would love to see a part two
"The jedi feared the dark side of the force" ironic.
This is so cool bro
RIP Qui-Gon Jinn (AGAIN)
What if Qui-Gon found out Palpatine was the Sith?
Or if Anakin could help Mace killing Palp instead of helping Palp kill Mace
@Ivan Phyo Lwin 2.00 oh, that makes the story a little different. I always thought that Anakin did it on purpose
I have always wondered why Qui-Gon was killed off in the first film of the prequel trilogy.
Lucas ran out of ideas and the master always dies in the first story. Blame it on RPG and fantasy tropes.
Because he needed to be killed to not make anakins story nonsense
I use to believe it was the will of the force. If he survived anakin may never have turned to the dark side and he would have caught onto palpatine. But after the new movies it's all bs now lmao
This was fun. I would like more if you have not done it already. Just saw this today.
You did amazing
I agree 100%
Star Wars Alternate Timeline: What If Qui-Gon Jinn Never Died, CRB: well he yes but actually no
yes! please more what if....Sky Walker saga. how would Luke and Leia come to pass or was his chance with Padme over. Please show us what the galaxy would be like with the butterfly effect! ;)
Definitely more!!
My man out here writing a whole ass worldbuilding Fanfiction. Nice!
Unfortunately I disagree with your assessment on Qui-Gon's death at the hands of Dooku. This is because Dooku is older than Qui-Gon and believe that Qui-Gon would have adapted his fighting style in seeing Anikan adapt.
Agree. The argument that Qui-Gon is 10 years older and thereby 10 years weaker falls completely flat. Both of them are 10 years older, so no change in that. If anything, aging should fall harder on Count Dooku.
i don’t think dooku would kill qui gon unless sidious was there forcing his hand
Also he wouldn't kill qui-gon unless if highly necessary
He respected his apprentice too much, since in fact he was like him in lot of things, and they both shared the same views
He just fell more to the dark side
Star Wars has changed a lot in the movies!
And not for the better either Disney has destroyed the franchise.
@@Revo2Evo it's still a good franchise in my opinion, but I miss Yoda And young Luke.
@@Revo2Evo no it hasn’t
A wonderful theory, as usual!
Great video
I dream about the timeline were Disney didn't buy Star Wars.
no rouge one or mandalorian?
@@adityabhalekar3506 rogue one was boring and George Lucas was going to do a sequel trilogy about the Whills (microscopic life forms that are the force and also control destiny)
@@jakehudson5095 LOL rouge one was amazing
Star Wars 1313 would have been amazing
Same lol
Only if Anakin realised he was a youngling too before killing the younglings
I agree with the general trajectory you shared until one point: what makes you think that Qui Gon would have lost to Count Dooku during the Clone Wars?
QG lost to Darth Maul because DM was more agile, not because he was any less. But in a battle between QG and CD, QG would be the more agile one. Yes, in the films CD beat both Obi-Wan and Anakin, but they had no direct experience in CD's teachings.
Having been trained by CD himself, a more agile QG would have known QG's weaknesses and been able to defeat him. QG himself would have realized himself that the Republic was now corrupt, notified the Jedi Council, and QG and Anakin both would have joined forces with the Jedi to stop Palpatine.
Like before, Obi-Wan himself would have defeated General Grievous. And the Jedi would have sent Mace Windu and Qui Gon to confront the Emperor. Undiluted by the presence of a weak-willed/manipulated Anakin, emotional and confused, and without him on the scene, Mace and Qui Gon would have together been able to stop the Emperor.
(That said, probably the Emperor would have targeted Anakin one way or another. The Sith, after all, are sneaky. Thus it is unclear which direction it would have actually gone in. Afterall, Anakin's future was always cloudy for a reason. Probably because his very birth was a product of the Sith's manipulation.)
Then QG would have parted ways with Mace and refused to join the Jedi. And the Jedi would have been awakened by QG's 'gray Jedi' perspective, helping the council to see how they failed. Yoda would admit their weakness and steer the Jedi properly again.
Qui-Gon would return to complete Anakin's training and the Dark side would have been discontinued. No more Emperor manipulating, no Darth Vader. With peace having been restored to the galaxy. Episode's 4, 5, & 6 would have never happened.
QG not dying mean a Sith-infiltrated/led Empire would never have risen.
Essentially Qui Gon dying one way or another is what would have led to the Empire.
This...is not what I would expect from a CBR video...well done.
5:55 wait really??
Qui-Gon was a great loss to the Galaxy!
I personally believe anakin would still have a strong brotherly bond with obi wan, not as strong as the original timeline but the bond would still be there built from the clone wars. With both obi wan and anakin losing qui gon obi wan would try to be there a lot for anakin, both peacefully at the temple and on the front limes of battles. Missions such as the 2nd battle of geonosis and battle of christophsis would still be taken together.
I also believe the council would offer anakin the choice to take ahsoka as an apprentice, instead of discreetly forcing it. Not sure if this anakin would take ahsoka though.
Another thing I'm skeptical of is whether dooku would bring himself to kill qui gon in episode 2. It's only during the clone wars and by episode 3 I feel dooku has truly been consumed by the dark side and I dont think qui gon would be killed by dooku in ep 2.
Also, I kinda think qui gon could be the person to fall out, I don't see qui gons presence changing obi wan or anakin falling out, I'd say either qui gon falls or none of them do.
One last thing is that I believe qui gon, despite his age, would last a lot longer than obi wan and anakin did originally, and by that point yoda would have arrived to help.
TL;DR obi wan and anakin probably still build relationship and qui gon survives episode 2, but perhaps dies shortly into the war.
This was really good bc everyone says that if qui gon never died order 66 would never happened but you showed that it even could happen in this au
Qui-Gon Jinn is probably my favorite Jedi. Always wondered about this.
Hey CBR, Why aren't you doing any videos about Ms Marvel Disney+ Series and How could officially incorporate Inhumans in the Upcoming Phases in the MCU?
we love marvel we love marvel
Time travel, alternate timeline, and parallel universes change everything when you think about what could have been different or what could be changed.
cbr do you think you can make what if count dooku never turned to the dark side or what if jango fett never died or make other star wars what ifs we all know you can do it
More, WE NEED MORE
Going to be sweet seeing dooku and qui gon as his apprentice in these new animated shorts coming out
Dooku admired Qui-Gon. I don't think Dooku would kill him but instead try to show him his (Dooku's) perspective.
Actually between episode 2 and 3 there would be plenty of opportunities for Anakin and Padme to be reintroduced as well as Obi Wan and Anakin to have a brotherly (and less contentious) bond between them, They simply wouldn't of had the intervening years in between instead bonding over Qui Gon's death. Episode 3 though is debatable and good for headcannon.
This is great.
This was a dope video, I wish Star wars would make a what If series, I would love to see something like this or even where anakin doesn’t turn bad