The data was so tense. I can't think of another TH-camr who does all of this in a single video that isn't 10 minutes long, full of sponsors, and divided into a hundred parts. Kudos to you and your team. Very impressive.
Geekerwan -shows how we should judge performance -elaborates everything in least time possible -doesn't talk rubbish or anything that floats over the viewer's head -reminds us only twice to subscribe and like -leaves with no outro
This is not boring. This is thorough and brilliant journalism. My guy has more useful information in one video than most tech websites/channels produce in a year
@@nidalspam509 most of them except few don't have a concept of thermal throttling like it's a phone not a laptop if the mobile chip is consuming more than 5-6 watts then what's the point of it. But if a company would restrict higher voltages then thier phone won't show the antutu numbers and these same youtubers will cry about it
@@nidalspam509 Worse still, many of them don't even have the actual devices and are just reading from damn specsheets that anyone else can read from. What a waste of bandwidth.
You guys are a blessing compared to the western tech reviewers. You guys get your hands dirty in order to get and crunch all of the data. Thank you and please make more of these analysis and deep dive videos because this is what an analysis and deep dive should have.
The only channel with a brain and a decent testing methodology. Thanks for providing such in depth testings instead of playing games and saying which one felt smoother without burning your hands.
They said they are so busy,have no time to do about English video.if you want to follow their latest video ,you can go to their Chinese channel.A16 and 8gen2 was updated.
Holy shit, the production quality of this channel keeps on rising each video uploaded, going as far as tearing apart phones to monitor the actual power consumption, love the animation on the graphs and how they were presented, hiding/dimming lines while highlighting other lines to compare was very easy to follow. It gives so much insight about the technical aspects of these modern SoCs I'm feeling guilty being able to watch this for free... Is there other ways we can support your channel? Besides sharing these videos and subscribing?
I don't know why this video hasn't blown out yet, this is literally EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED TO KNOW being a geek for smartphone tech(processors, efficiency & thermals) and a really insightful consumer. You have done a wonderful job my man, cheers! Ps: Maybe it's because of the length, but all the infographics and explanation you put in it is really worth it in a wide-view understanding.
The dimensity 8100 really is an underdog when it comes to chips in smartphones, wow! Also, keep it up with the content, every video is packed with amazing information and honestly 20 min long videos doesn't feel that boring!
This video shows what no other reviewers seem to show. Not going off the statistics from ARM, but testing yourself! It's a breath of fresh air with crazy effort put into each video. I'd rather wait for a great video than have constant uploads. How does the Cortex X4, A720, and A520 fare? P.S. We don't think this is too boring.
This video explains why my 865 phone has been so decent even two years later in terms of battery life. I'm just going to wait until everyone in the Android space adopts the Qualcomm chips made by TSMC(next year, fingers crossed) before I upgrade. I tried an 888 device and got a phone overheat warning when I was just setting up the phone and downloading all of my apps.
They are my friend. Snapdragon 8 gen 2 is tsmc process. This is confirmed already if you look up on it. Thank god I like Samsung but they need to make the phone hardware and leave the chip making to tsmc
@@daidalos1508 i saw that . In CPU performance even though the benchmark where showing a slight advantage for iPhone while gaming. SD 8gen2 outperformed and the GPU was also producing better graphics
SD888's Cortex X1 brought massive 30% IPC improvement over A77 so that's why it consumes a lot. Also after single A77 core the next gen brought two big cores: big and BIGGER (big A78 and bigger X1). The X-series is tuned for max performance/IPC at higher transistor cost (higher chip area), kind trying to target Apple's big cores. - Cortex A76 has IPC at Zen 1 level, not bad - Cortex A77 has IPC 20% above A76 at Zen 2 / Coffelake level - Cortex A78 has 5% more IPC so slightly better than Zen 2 - Cortex X1 has 30% more IPC than A77 so beating Zen 3 by 7% ... 46% above A76 - Cortex X2 has 10% more IPC than X1 so beating Zen 3 by 18% and Zen 4 by 4% ... 60% above A76 - new revealed Cortex X3 should have 10% higher IPC than X2 so 14% above Zen 4 ... 76% above A76 - Apple A15 Avalanche core is monster .... it has IPC higher 55% above Zen 3, 39% above Zen 4, and 22% above X3 .... 111% above A76 (double IPC) It's pretty amazing how ARM micro-architectures evolved from pretty decent A76 from 2018. In just 4 years they almost doubled IPC and left x86 in the dust. My comment to A710 inefficiency: - I think that's the reason why new A715 has no micro-Op cache. ARM focused to increase efficiency to fix A710. - Apple doesn't use micro-Op cache at all (and is super efficient) while x86 ARM Zen 4 has huge 6750 entry, Intel's Golden Cove 4000 entry (power hogs) - x86 needs micro-Op cache to overcome variable length instruction coding issue of CISC ISA (every x86 instr can have 1byte to 15 bytes) which is problem when CPU needs to decode 8 instruction per clock (8th instruction can be anywhere between 8th byte and 127 byte). That's why Zen 4 has huge micro-Op cache and just 4 decoders (half of Apple) even micro-op cache is power hungry. Even worse would be for x86 to deal with geometrical explosion at decode side. ISA does matter for efficiency. - ARM's 32-bit RISC fixed length encoding produce 20% bigger binary code however super easy and efficient to decode any number of instruction for high IPC - ISA does matter. - Modern RISC ISA like ARMv9 from 2020 could be powerful and efficient in the same time. - Old CISC ISA like x86 from 1978 can never be efficient. However performance can be delivered out of x86 - at cost of many transistors for old ISA workarounds and sacrificing efficiency (micro-Op cache, sophisticated predictors for instruction position in decoders etc. all things modern ISA doesn't need at all so saving development time, money and power) - micro-Op cache appeared in the ARM world for the 1st time in Cortex A77 and now slowly abandoning it
this was so refreshing to watch. I rather watch this than those useless unboxing/first look/ comparison / "high production" phone reviews. Keep up the amazing work. You guys really are coming up with unique ways to test and give viewers useful information with your data.
Imagine other youtubers are just reading out the specs and this guy bringing us the real stuff. Really appreciate the effort put into this video, keep em coming the good stuff....🤤
You just re-defined what a tech review should be. This was amazingly detailed and how a CPU tech review should be. I really that this type of CPU comparison keeps happening on this channel. Gives us so much more insight before making any purchase decisions. Most reviewers(even the most famous) don’t have the requisite knowledge or skills to explain what you did. I’ll not even get into the efforts put in to such detailed level of testing.
Impeccable review! The consistency, reliability and straight to the point aspects make for a format that makes me want to watch the entire thing! Ever since the first video dropped and I immediately subscribed to your channel. Kudos to your team for the impressively thorough and Buyer conscious transparent reviews and I hope you continue to be driven with passion and love to continue making content unparallel with any other reviewer I have ever seen on this platform! 10/10 would recommend.
Well, as a old fan subscribing the Chinese channel on bilibili for years, tears fall off of my face with laughter while reading l comments aloud. So glare to see that those precious data becomes valuable again in another land. So proud to see this little English Channel grow from few subscribers to 100k today! Congrats
I don't leave comments on many videos but here I feel I need to. This was so well produced and documented. I took a few notes which also I rarely do in videos. It has changed my perspective on mobile chips. It would be so helpful if you did this for mid-range SoC like sd778g/695 etc. But I understand how difficult making this might be. Maybe you can provide a resource where we can check this out. I wish you all the best for the future and hope you keep producing this type of content which is really lacking on TH-cam and smartphone media in general.
778g is doing ok thanks to tsmc.however, 780g and 7 gen 1 are totally shit due to Samsung 5nm. in fact in China, we call 7gen1 a "debuff king" or "king of shit" because it adds up two bad things: Samsung5 and arm A710
Incredible video! My CPU takeaways: - Benchmark scores are USELESS because they only measure _peak_ performance, which your phone uses less than 1% of the time. Manufacturers will exploit this by drawing more power to look better than last gen. - The better metric is power efficiency, which is delivering better performance even when drawing less power. - Qualcomm: Actually stagnated for YEARS, making WORSE chips, until the 8 Gen 1+ (much better than the 8 Gen 1) - Samsung: Exynos is actually equivalent to Snapdragon - Apple: Smoking the competition, but only since the A14, previous were comparable to Android chips. - Mediatek: Surprising challenger. Their latest mid range chip is as good as the Apple A14 (better than everyone else on Android). - Google: Tensor = TRASH 😂
I'll just add my GPU takeaways: - Peak GPU performance is even less important, even for gaming, since most phones will be bottlenecked by power draw or the CPU. Efficiency at low power matters most since most games run their GPUs on lower power. - The market is much more competitive in this space, but still Apple leads the race, with Qualcomm and Mediatek following, then Exynos and Tensor last
@@robloxiansexclusive1781 it depends on the phone model, not only the chip in it, like Dimensity 8100 with a watch-sized screen wouldn't be a good deal in any circumstance
I was so happy when Apple unveiled those efficacy/energy graphs and hope it would start a mainstream switch to real world performance and not “hey my phone has better peak performance than yours.” Unfortunately only a good channel like this is providing this kind of neglected information.
Damn that blew me away. I had a feeling the new snapdragons and exynos were stagnating and always said 865 was the last great processor. But having actual hard numbers to this is so great. The production value is out of this world. Thank you and great work. Very fascinating. Will forward this.
I was surprised as well. The newest one is still pretty good according to the data but anything in between the Snapdragon 865 and the newest Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 is basically hot garbage.
@@ilovemeochan1396 They weren't trying to cheap out, it was reported that TSMC had a massive bottleneck in capacity since they had to fulfill a large order for Apple, and since Qualcomm has used Samsung Foundry for chips before (820/821, 835 and even the legendary 845 were Samsung), they probably thought it wouldn't be a big deal. No one expected the new fab process Samsung boasted so much about to be utter shite. Next gen will probably see a similar problem since TSMC reported they are facing low yield rates on their 3nm process, which the chips Android manufacturers desperately want to be able to close up the gap between them and Apple as much as possible. Samsung Foundry is boasting some big performance leaps for their 3nm process too but I don't think Qualcomm will be interested.
The amount of work that goes into testing all these is insane. I hope the people watching this truly appreciates just how long this must have taken. Subscribed and liked! Thanks guys!
This is the sort of quality we should expect from professional youtubers. Some reviewers just slap a benchmark score at your face and call it a day, unbelievable
This is the best performance data breakdown I’ve seen for modern smartphones. It makes it super clear why Apple has switched to efficiency cores, but also shows how they can still dominate on top end performance. Great information, great breakdown of the data. Excited to see the specs for the A16, though I don’t think there will be a huge improvement compared to the A15.
This is the definitive video on mobile CPUs. Truly amazing work. The information, graphics and delivery was literally the best I've ever seen. Subbed and rung the bell
Wow man. You and your team are crushing it. This videos are great. Maybe the average consumer won’t understand or even care about things at a detail but there are plenty of of that do. Keep up the good work. Amazing.
Another great video... looking forward to seeing A15 and A16 data especially since Apple has been focused on efficiency rather than raw performance for these two generations of chips.
You just singlehandedly became my favourite Tech TH-camr. Love your videos so much effort for so much data points but it never gets boring. Would be really nice if you could keep us updated on this and maybe make an update video about the market every two to three years.
Their team can easily make a such quality video every 2 months. But it is in Chinese, they need time to deeply translate it for youtube. After all, they are not native Eng speakers, it takes time to make it exquisite like this.
Top tier content . Very informative . One of very few TH-camrs to actually deserve a techtuber tag . Way better than guys who open boxes all day ,and make 5 million videos about "productivity" and how they achieve it with a minimalist wallpaper and a 60kusd Mac Pro .
Quality 💯 This is the most comprehensive, detailed, and interesting video I've seen in a while. And funny too (poor Tensor chip 😉). Excellent work! Thank you. Keep it up. You just created a solid foundation for future comparisons. I can't wait for Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 and A15/A16 chips to join the pack (even if they're only dots on the chart).
@@255p Yep, jailbreak is needed for iphones. 2 points on the chart is enough for me - they already give out some information. With 3 points (if somehow possible to grab), I'd try curve extrapolation which would probably be really close to the real one. The curve could be shown with a dashed line to make it clear that it's extrapolated.
First off, thank you for this video! It's simply put exceptional! Now that you mostly have all the data, could you guys make another video focusing even more on the single-threaded performance of the cores and their comparisons? The reasoning for that is that outside of games the single-threaded performance is what users mostly notice - the startup times of apps, the speed of most foreground apps in use, the speed of switching apps etc. You communicated well in this video the importance of multi-threaded performance for battery life and (well-optimized) games. Outside of games, however, the user experience of the phones is still, and arguably always will be, largely determined by the single core performance (given that the GPU is at least OK and there are more than ~2 cores). And one thing which is different in that context is that the peak performance does matter, because the full turbo of a single core is not unusual, but it is kept very brief in the sake of thermals and battery-life.
We need a end of 2023 version of this comparison. Btw I knew the Google SoC were bad in terms of power efficiency since I had some insider news, but not this bad haha. Great works guys🎉
This video is incredibly good, and your huge amount of works and researches is excellent. And the explaination is pretty understandable for me to be honest. Keep it up man, I really like your content very much.
First video I have seen from this channel. Once you mentioned actually disassembling the phones and adding test probes to receive proper power data, I knew that this is a channel for me. Please keep up this level of in-depth research! Truly amazing work.
This deserves to be a series, and I really hope this becomes the new benchmark for the rest of YT phone reviewers so that your channel takes off. You guys really deserve that!
This is absolute brilliance!! Thank you for putting in the effort and time to create this content. It'd be great if you could make a similar review on the A16 bionic & SD8G2 (Samsung's overclocked processor by TSMC and the regular processor) and the dimensity 9200
Impressive that he told all these details in a single video without boring us. I understood a lot about chipset and their manufacturers. I personally love Android hopefully Qualcomm will improve their chipset fast and never give their project to Samsung 😅
this performance review was one hell of an eye opener. I just used to go by the numbers that other tech reviewers would tell us. you actually told us that not everything is as it seems. keep it coming!
Been an year ago, need a new video on the current released/about to release flagships 😂. Please try to mention a best chipset that keeps up with the price to performance ratio and also offers better battery efficiency
This is one of the best smartphone tech videos I've ever seen - the level of depth, visualizations and explanations of the individual pieces that make up the bigger picture are incredibly well thought out and presented. Nicely done!
This is by faaaar the best video regarding smartphone soc I've seen and I've been really into this since 2014. Please keep updating these charts every 6 months so we can keep up.
this is hands down one of the best mobile reviews I’ve ever seen. The big tech reviews WISH they could put out a video like this. Unbelievable, amazing job!
This is the most advanced video I ever found about smartphone SOCs. Great work man. Keep updating us. Be more active like your Chinese version channel.
@@Dhaval_parmar08 no because the software limitations just see how the ip 13 down it's brigth when it's hot meawhile a Android phone even if it overheats it don't down it's brigth xD
@@Dhaval_parmar08 We're definitely looking into iPhone tuning on jailbroken device, more like profile tweaking rather than OC, but it works pretty well, stay tune😉
Here to watch your content again on purpose just to show support to your English channel. Simply couldn’t be more impressed. Really hope you guys remake more of your amazing videos in your English channel and share them to the rest of the world. An already great video to watch, not to mention they do it even better in Chinese. A bilingual creator is just amazing
I really like what you said.. "This is like an Intel Chip ....... in a ........ smartphone!" You really solidified my decision to go to phones with MEDIATEK 8100.. Thank you very much
This could be a reason for everyone to buy used phones in the future and replace their batteries instead of paying more money for a new flagship,which also may cause new mobile phone prices to fall aggressively It also proved how useless and sometimes disappointing upgrading every year does This video was condensed with such priceless information that I wish more people had known about.
Being a tech nerd and being able to understand each and every thing you mentioned in the video I can surely say this is * The Best Video Comparing Mobile SoCs * on entire You Tube.
TLDR: Apple dominates Qualcomm improving after ditching Samsung for TSMC Avoid anything from Samsung fabs This was definitely the best and most relevant analysis of mobile chips I've seen to date.
samsung products in general since half a decade have been inferior garbage, dictatorships rarely if ever last beyond one generation(i consider samsung a kind of a dictatorship since they own their own city and mostly run by blood relations/friendship)
i really appreciate all the hard work you have done on this video by testing multiple soc with complicated methodes thats really takes a lot of time. 26 minutes full of informations and acurate benchmarks that really shows the reality of performance against power efficiency rather than all benchmark numbers that shows on internet which doesn't gives you the real experience. i hope to see more video like this because i really like it.
This is truly amazing work. Modern ARM SoCs are complex and the complexity increases exponentially due to battery constraints. Making things worse, some manufacturers just boost their CPU to max when they detect benchmarking binaries running. The tests here took all of this into account and provided some of the best CPU benchmarking data I've seen anywhere and on any CPU (be it desktop or mobile). Cheers! You've more than earned this sub.
This is like the Linus Tech Tips of mobile phones data , graphs, power analysis, any bit of information you could get your hands on is on this channel ❤️❤️😍
None other like you. Period. The amount work that you always put in is phenomenal. The simplistic way you explain such tough processes and numbers? Once again phenomenal.
this is the video that made me subscribe to your channel, that you are making effort and provide info with in-depth analysis, very rare attitude in todays environment
I think I say this on every video you guys make but you guys are a blessing to this platform. I agree most people won't understand what you guys are doing but for the ones who do, you guys are doing gods work. Please don't change.
Amazing review! We really need Samsung Foundry to catch up to TSMC so Samsung Exynos/Google Tensor don't get left even further behind Qualcomm/MediaTek/Apple
Hey, thank you for putting in all the work to make this video. It was actaully eye opening just to see all of this data and hope to see more of these types of analyses later on. The way you guys also laid out the graphs and presented everything made it 10x better too.
The chart for smartphone were so great I really want to see the same chart for computer processor, especially for laptops, see how Intel and AMD has been doing, and how much more efficiency Apple has been doing
Absolutely loved the video. Super insightful and informative. Liked and subscribed! As a big google fan, I would be super interested in seeing some analysis between the last 3 or 4 generations of Google Pixel Processors! Google Tensor, the SD765, and the SD855. I'd also be super interested in breakdowns in modem performance and efficiency between these 3 devices! The pixel 6 series has very bad battery life compared to the competition, while my pixel 5 was actually pretty good. And from what I know, the pixel 4XL was awful. I think there might be a lot to cover and unveil between them!
This is an amazing video explaining everything. I already knew dimension 8100 was going to perform well since one 8100 powered Xiaomi phone has been under my radar for a while
Solid review - I was surprised that the marketing from qualcomm was so far off from reality in application vs cherry picked test cases. I'd be interested in similar tests for modems/displays as they are the other major contributor to mobile platform power draw, and are even more obscure in details compared to the SOC.
The data was so tense. I can't think of another TH-camr who does all of this in a single video that isn't 10 minutes long, full of sponsors, and divided into a hundred parts.
Kudos to you and your team. Very impressive.
IKR, even the testing method is insane just for better accuracy.
Geekerwan
-shows how we should judge performance
-elaborates everything in least time possible
-doesn't talk rubbish or anything that floats over the viewer's head
-reminds us only twice to subscribe and like
-leaves with no outro
@@theresnofree8277 That's why every year you need to tell us which CPU is the best
@@JasonPikachu Tech Jesus is great but his presentation is not better than Geekerwan imo.
@@JasonPikachu I guess we are talking about mobile cpu not PC.
This is not boring. This is thorough and brilliant journalism.
My guy has more useful information in one video than most tech websites/channels produce in a year
Lol indian tech youtubers be like
BGMI chla raha h best gaming phone 🤳
@@timserious7678 Exactly!
@@timserious7678 I've also noticed that indian reviewers also regurgitate the same antutu geekbench suite like western reviewers. Geekerwan is a gem
@@nidalspam509 most of them except few don't have a concept of thermal throttling like it's a phone not a laptop if the mobile chip is consuming more than 5-6 watts then what's the point of it.
But if a company would restrict higher voltages then thier phone won't show the antutu numbers and these same youtubers will cry about it
@@nidalspam509 Worse still, many of them don't even have the actual devices and are just reading from damn specsheets that anyone else can read from. What a waste of bandwidth.
You guys are a blessing compared to the western tech reviewers. You guys get your hands dirty in order to get and crunch all of the data. Thank you and please make more of these analysis and deep dive videos because this is what an analysis and deep dive should have.
Ikr they are great
Ikr, they do this better than Linus surprisingly.
No matter how smart you are there is always an asian better than you
Anandtech used to do the same thing, too bad their phone reviewers left.
@@bulletpunch9317 yep when Anand left it all went downhill
The only channel with a brain and a decent testing methodology. Thanks for providing such in depth testings instead of playing games and saying which one felt smoother without burning your hands.
😂😂
I couldn't agree more.
PLEASE do an A16 and G2 Tensor update. Love these videos. You guys go well beyond others on this platform.
They said they are so busy,have no time to do about English video.if you want to follow their latest video ,you can go to their Chinese channel.A16 and 8gen2 was updated.
@@kingbi139 Where could I find the Chinese channel of Geekerwan?
@@thespiff youtube.com/@geekerwan1024
@@kingbi139 What is their Chinese channel called and where do I find them?
@@thespiff search：极客湾
Holy shit, the production quality of this channel keeps on rising each video uploaded, going as far as tearing apart phones to monitor the actual power consumption, love the animation on the graphs and how they were presented, hiding/dimming lines while highlighting other lines to compare was very easy to follow.
It gives so much insight about the technical aspects of these modern SoCs
I'm feeling guilty being able to watch this for free...
Is there other ways we can support your channel? Besides sharing these videos and subscribing?
See the poco x4 GT performance videos and it's exactly the same than the 8 gen 1 from the poco f4 GT without a cooler
@@__P__o__l__a__r That's why every year you need to tell us which CPU is the best
@@dongshengdi773 为什么重复这么多次
I didn't skip a single add during this 26mins video, I just let all the adds play until the end. It might gains some income for them.
Yeah
I don't know why this video hasn't blown out yet, this is literally EVERYTHING I EVER WANTED TO KNOW being a geek for smartphone tech(processors, efficiency & thermals) and a really insightful consumer. You have done a wonderful job my man, cheers!
Ps: Maybe it's because of the length, but all the infographics and explanation you put in it is really worth it in a wide-view understanding.
because not everybody is geek like us brother :)
He can make 50 seconds shorts by breaking this video at Qualcomm & exynos comparisons
I agree. Why hasn't this video soared ? I just don't understand
The dimensity 8100 really is an underdog when it comes to chips in smartphones, wow! Also, keep it up with the content, every video is packed with amazing information and honestly 20 min long videos doesn't feel that boring!
Correlates with the use of Samsung fabs... Samsung 6/5nm is absolutely shit
I'm currently using a Pixel 6 Pro, I shall pick up a Reno 8 Pro tonight and compare as it has the 8100.
@@srs0591 gt neo 3 is better at performing. Don't know about other features.
Another reason for me to buy Poco X4 GT.
@@kayna-an Nice Higokomaru pfp
This video shows what no other reviewers seem to show. Not going off the statistics from ARM, but testing yourself! It's a breath of fresh air with crazy effort put into each video. I'd rather wait for a great video than have constant uploads. How does the Cortex X4, A720, and A520 fare? P.S. We don't think this is too boring.
This video explains why my 865 phone has been so decent even two years later in terms of battery life. I'm just going to wait until everyone in the Android space adopts the Qualcomm chips made by TSMC(next year, fingers crossed) before I upgrade. I tried an 888 device and got a phone overheat warning when I was just setting up the phone and downloading all of my apps.
They are my friend. Snapdragon 8 gen 2 is tsmc process. This is confirmed already if you look up on it. Thank god I like Samsung but they need to make the phone hardware and leave the chip making to tsmc
Note 20 ultra such a winner
@@robmalcolm8042 8gen 2 destroys a16,a15 in GPU and matches the performance in CPU with better gaming results
@@bloodwargaming3662 not right, watch his other Video A16 vs SD8gen2
@@daidalos1508 i saw that . In CPU performance even though the benchmark where showing a slight advantage for iPhone while gaming. SD 8gen2 outperformed and the GPU was also producing better graphics
You are setting a new standard for reviews and techtubers. Concise, intelligent commentary and good visual representation of your data.
SD888's Cortex X1 brought massive 30% IPC improvement over A77 so that's why it consumes a lot.
Also after single A77 core the next gen brought two big cores: big and BIGGER (big A78 and bigger X1).
The X-series is tuned for max performance/IPC at higher transistor cost (higher chip area), kind trying to target Apple's big cores.
- Cortex A76 has IPC at Zen 1 level, not bad
- Cortex A77 has IPC 20% above A76 at Zen 2 / Coffelake level
- Cortex A78 has 5% more IPC so slightly better than Zen 2
- Cortex X1 has 30% more IPC than A77 so beating Zen 3 by 7% ... 46% above A76
- Cortex X2 has 10% more IPC than X1 so beating Zen 3 by 18% and Zen 4 by 4% ... 60% above A76
- new revealed Cortex X3 should have 10% higher IPC than X2 so 14% above Zen 4 ... 76% above A76
- Apple A15 Avalanche core is monster .... it has IPC higher 55% above Zen 3, 39% above Zen 4, and 22% above X3 .... 111% above A76 (double IPC)
It's pretty amazing how ARM micro-architectures evolved from pretty decent A76 from 2018. In just 4 years they almost doubled IPC and left x86 in the dust.
My comment to A710 inefficiency:
- I think that's the reason why new A715 has no micro-Op cache. ARM focused to increase efficiency to fix A710.
- Apple doesn't use micro-Op cache at all (and is super efficient) while x86 ARM Zen 4 has huge 6750 entry, Intel's Golden Cove 4000 entry (power hogs)
- x86 needs micro-Op cache to overcome variable length instruction coding issue of CISC ISA (every x86 instr can have 1byte to 15 bytes) which is problem when CPU needs to decode 8 instruction per clock (8th instruction can be anywhere between 8th byte and 127 byte). That's why Zen 4 has huge micro-Op cache and just 4 decoders (half of Apple) even micro-op cache is power hungry. Even worse would be for x86 to deal with geometrical explosion at decode side. ISA does matter for efficiency.
- ARM's 32-bit RISC fixed length encoding produce 20% bigger binary code however super easy and efficient to decode any number of instruction for high IPC
- ISA does matter.
- Modern RISC ISA like ARMv9 from 2020 could be powerful and efficient in the same time.
- Old CISC ISA like x86 from 1978 can never be efficient. However performance can be delivered out of x86 - at cost of many transistors for old ISA workarounds and sacrificing efficiency (micro-Op cache, sophisticated predictors for instruction position in decoders etc. all things modern ISA doesn't need at all so saving development time, money and power)
- micro-Op cache appeared in the ARM world for the 1st time in Cortex A77 and now slowly abandoning it
this was so refreshing to watch. I rather watch this than those useless unboxing/first look/ comparison / "high production" phone reviews. Keep up the amazing work. You guys really are coming up with unique ways to test and give viewers useful information with your data.
Imagine other youtubers are just reading out the specs and this guy bringing us the real stuff. Really appreciate the effort put into this video, keep em coming the good stuff....🤤
The most they do is an benchmark and nothing else. Now THIS, this is what i call content.
Thanks from Egypt
Finally found the one.
You just re-defined what a tech review should be. This was amazingly detailed and how a CPU tech review should be. I really that this type of CPU comparison keeps happening on this channel. Gives us so much more insight before making any purchase decisions.
Most reviewers(even the most famous) don’t have the requisite knowledge or skills to explain what you did. I’ll not even get into the efforts put in to such detailed level of testing.
Steve from gamers Nexus style review
The most well researched and well thought out video about Smartphone Chips, because they don't get enough scrutiny compared to computer hardware
Ever been to anandtech?
Impeccable review! The consistency, reliability and straight to the point aspects make for a format that makes me want to watch the entire thing! Ever since the first video dropped and I immediately subscribed to your channel.
Kudos to your team for the impressively thorough and Buyer conscious transparent reviews and I hope you continue to be driven with passion and love to continue making content unparallel with any other reviewer I have ever seen on this platform!
10/10 would recommend.
Well, as a old fan subscribing the Chinese channel on bilibili for years, tears fall off of my face with laughter while reading l comments aloud. So glare to see that those precious data becomes valuable again in another land. So proud to see this little English Channel grow from few subscribers to 100k today! Congrats
The only Smartphone Video I consider Worth to watch. Multiple times.
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I don't leave comments on many videos but here I feel I need to. This was so well produced and documented. I took a few notes which also I rarely do in videos. It has changed my perspective on mobile chips. It would be so helpful if you did this for mid-range SoC like sd778g/695 etc. But I understand how difficult making this might be. Maybe you can provide a resource where we can check this out. I wish you all the best for the future and hope you keep producing this type of content which is really lacking on TH-cam and smartphone media in general.
778g is doing ok thanks to tsmc.however, 780g and 7 gen 1 are totally shit due to Samsung 5nm. in fact in China, we call 7gen1 a "debuff king" or "king of shit" because it adds up two bad things: Samsung5 and arm A710
778g is perfect in mid-range SOC. there are mamy videos on bilibli about 778g(sorry my poor English)
Yes, for midrange processors would also be interesting, though it is not easy
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Although everyone talks about flagship chips, at the end of the day 80% of people will buy a phone with a midrange or budget chip.
How does this channel not have a million subscribers already? This quality is unheard of in the tech youtube space!
In China their channel is about to have 3 million subscriptions
Because they are just starting to create content in English. On Chinese video platforms, they have close to three million subscriptions.
@@林宇灿-k2w what platform?
@@robloxiansexclusive1781 bilibili
Incredible video! My CPU takeaways:
- Benchmark scores are USELESS because they only measure _peak_ performance, which your phone uses less than 1% of the time. Manufacturers will exploit this by drawing more power to look better than last gen.
- The better metric is power efficiency, which is delivering better performance even when drawing less power.
- Qualcomm: Actually stagnated for YEARS, making WORSE chips, until the 8 Gen 1+ (much better than the 8 Gen 1)
- Samsung: Exynos is actually equivalent to Snapdragon
- Apple: Smoking the competition, but only since the A14, previous were comparable to Android chips.
- Mediatek: Surprising challenger. Their latest mid range chip is as good as the Apple A14 (better than everyone else on Android).
- Google: Tensor = TRASH 😂
I'll just add my GPU takeaways:
- Peak GPU performance is even less important, even for gaming, since most phones will be bottlenecked by power draw or the CPU. Efficiency at low power matters most since most games run their GPUs on lower power.
- The market is much more competitive in this space, but still Apple leads the race, with Qualcomm and Mediatek following, then Exynos and Tensor last
@@iau yo I just bought a phone for like.$350 with Dimensity 8100 was it a good deal?
@@robloxiansexclusive1781 it depends on the phone model, not only the chip in it, like Dimensity 8100 with a watch-sized screen wouldn't be a good deal in any circumstance
Apple were always a step above Android chips, now they are absolutely smoking them on all stops! And Apple is not even a CPU company! Damn!
@@robloxiansexclusive1781 in india redmi k50i was available at 20000inr≈240 usd🤯
This video is what was missing on this platform about benchmarks and performance. Kudos to you!
This is the best mobile cpu difference explanation that I've ever seen, thank's for the hardwork.
I was so happy when Apple unveiled those efficacy/energy graphs and hope it would start a mainstream switch to real world performance and not “hey my phone has better peak performance than yours.” Unfortunately only a good channel like this is providing this kind of neglected information.
Damn that blew me away. I had a feeling the new snapdragons and exynos were stagnating and always said 865 was the last great processor. But having actual hard numbers to this is so great. The production value is out of this world. Thank you and great work. Very fascinating. Will forward this.
I was surprised as well. The newest one is still pretty good according to the data but anything in between the Snapdragon 865 and the newest Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 is basically hot garbage.
@@fastedwarrior7353 This is all because Qualcomm cheaped out ordering chips from Samsung instead of TSMC
@@ilovemeochan1396 that's the exact point many people don't know and just say latest SD is waste.
@@radhamanohar2307 Nobody would imagine Samsung 5nm fab is so bad until TSMC 8+gen 1 occurs
@@ilovemeochan1396 They weren't trying to cheap out, it was reported that TSMC had a massive bottleneck in capacity since they had to fulfill a large order for Apple, and since Qualcomm has used Samsung Foundry for chips before (820/821, 835 and even the legendary 845 were Samsung), they probably thought it wouldn't be a big deal. No one expected the new fab process Samsung boasted so much about to be utter shite.
Next gen will probably see a similar problem since TSMC reported they are facing low yield rates on their 3nm process, which the chips Android manufacturers desperately want to be able to close up the gap between them and Apple as much as possible. Samsung Foundry is boasting some big performance leaps for their 3nm process too but I don't think Qualcomm will be interested.
The amount of work that goes into testing all these is insane. I hope the people watching this truly appreciates just how long this must have taken. Subscribed and liked! Thanks guys!
This is the sort of quality we should expect from professional youtubers. Some reviewers just slap a benchmark score at your face and call it a day, unbelievable
This is the best performance data breakdown I’ve seen for modern smartphones. It makes it super clear why Apple has switched to efficiency cores, but also shows how they can still dominate on top end performance.
Great information, great breakdown of the data. Excited to see the specs for the A16, though I don’t think there will be a huge improvement compared to the A15.
This is the definitive video on mobile CPUs. Truly amazing work.
The information, graphics and delivery was literally the best I've ever seen.
Subbed and rung the bell
Wow man. You and your team are crushing it. This videos are great. Maybe the average consumer won’t understand or even care about things at a detail but there are plenty of of that do. Keep up the good work. Amazing.
in china,geekerwan is one of the most perfessional and popular Technology bloggers....
Another great video... looking forward to seeing A15 and A16 data especially since Apple has been focused on efficiency rather than raw performance for these two generations of chips.
It is already available on the Chinese channel.
For a much more in-depth of the A15, just read AnandTech's analysis.
@@theSeventhDruid where? what is the name of the chinese channel
@@joelrivera9083 极客湾
@@MiguelAngel-rw7kn Agreed... whenever it becomes available. It's not available yet.
I did not belive it would be possible to make such tests. Phones are very limited in these aspects. But these guys did it. Respect.
You just singlehandedly became my favourite Tech TH-camr. Love your videos so much effort for so much data points but it never gets boring. Would be really nice if you could keep us updated on this and maybe make an update video about the market every two to three years.
Their team can easily make a such quality video every 2 months. But it is in Chinese, they need time to deeply translate it for youtube. After all, they are not native Eng speakers, it takes time to make it exquisite like this.
Top tier content . Very informative . One of very few TH-camrs to actually deserve a techtuber tag . Way better than guys who open boxes all day ,and make 5 million videos about "productivity" and how they achieve it with a minimalist wallpaper and a 60kusd Mac Pro .
What did I found today.I found gold.This channel is gold.Mindblowing content.Wish there were more reviewers like yours
Measuring power draw through hardware, you guys are legends
That was LITERALLY some huge amount of efforts dude🔥
Quality 💯 This is the most comprehensive, detailed, and interesting video I've seen in a while. And funny too (poor Tensor chip 😉). Excellent work! Thank you. Keep it up. You just created a solid foundation for future comparisons. I can't wait for Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 and A15/A16 chips to join the pack (even if they're only dots on the chart).
I guess A15/A16 won't have performance curve on chart because of the jailbreak difficulties...(maybe not, just guessing
@@255p Yep, jailbreak is needed for iphones. 2 points on the chart is enough for me - they already give out some information. With 3 points (if somehow possible to grab), I'd try curve extrapolation which would probably be really close to the real one. The curve could be shown with a dashed line to make it clear that it's extrapolated.
dots are due tp system restriction. Some chips and phones(especially Apple) block you to access some data.
The video says that, cuz of the jailbreak restrictions
@@mikexia7711 Then they will be shown as small dots on the chart and nobody will know how awesome their chips are ;-)
First off, thank you for this video! It's simply put exceptional! Now that you mostly have all the data, could you guys make another video focusing even more on the single-threaded performance of the cores and their comparisons? The reasoning for that is that outside of games the single-threaded performance is what users mostly notice - the startup times of apps, the speed of most foreground apps in use, the speed of switching apps etc. You communicated well in this video the importance of multi-threaded performance for battery life and (well-optimized) games. Outside of games, however, the user experience of the phones is still, and arguably always will be, largely determined by the single core performance (given that the GPU is at least OK and there are more than ~2 cores). And one thing which is different in that context is that the peak performance does matter, because the full turbo of a single core is not unusual, but it is kept very brief in the sake of thermals and battery-life.
We need a end of 2023 version of this comparison. Btw I knew the Google SoC were bad in terms of power efficiency since I had some insider news, but not this bad haha. Great works guys🎉
This video is incredibly good, and your huge amount of works and researches is excellent. And the explaination is pretty understandable for me to be honest. Keep it up man, I really like your content very much.
First video I have seen from this channel. Once you mentioned actually disassembling the phones and adding test probes to receive proper power data, I knew that this is a channel for me. Please keep up this level of in-depth research! Truly amazing work.
You guys shouldnt be called "youtubers", you guys are serious good-old journalists. Huge Respect.
This deserves to be a series, and I really hope this becomes the new benchmark for the rest of YT phone reviewers so that your channel takes off. You guys really deserve that!
This is absolute brilliance!!
Thank you for putting in the effort and time to create this content. It'd be great if you could make a similar review on the A16 bionic & SD8G2 (Samsung's overclocked processor by TSMC and the regular processor) and the dimensity 9200
@@fd9f339 where to find his Chinese channel
Impressive that he told all these details in a single video without boring us. I understood a lot about chipset and their manufacturers. I personally love Android hopefully Qualcomm will improve their chipset fast and never give their project to Samsung 😅
this performance review was one hell of an eye opener. I just used to go by the numbers that other tech reviewers would tell us. you actually told us that not everything is as it seems. keep it coming!
What's wrong with this video
1- It ended to soon.
2-It doesn't have enough likes
3-It needs more views.
4-we need more like this content.
Been an year ago, need a new video on the current released/about to release flagships 😂. Please try to mention a best chipset that keeps up with the price to performance ratio and also offers better battery efficiency
This is one of the best smartphone tech videos I've ever seen - the level of depth, visualizations and explanations of the individual pieces that make up the bigger picture are incredibly well thought out and presented. Nicely done!
This is by faaaar the best video regarding smartphone soc I've seen and I've been really into this since 2014.
Please keep updating these charts every 6 months so we can keep up.
this is hands down one of the best mobile reviews I’ve ever seen. The big tech reviews WISH they could put out a video like this. Unbelievable, amazing job!
Please make this type of video for 2023
This is the most advanced video I ever found about smartphone SOCs. Great work man. Keep updating us. Be more active like your Chinese version channel.
We want more of the mobile phone overclocking!
You'll have it soon😏
@@Geekerwan can you overclock Apple device?
@@Dhaval_parmar08 no because the software limitations just see how the ip 13 down it's brigth when it's hot meawhile a Android phone even if it overheats it don't down it's brigth xD
@@Dhaval_parmar08 We're definitely looking into iPhone tuning on jailbroken device, more like profile tweaking rather than OC, but it works pretty well, stay tune😉
@@__P__o__l__a__r lol they'll do it anyways
Here to watch your content again on purpose just to show support to your English channel. Simply couldn’t be more impressed. Really hope you guys remake more of your amazing videos in your English channel and share them to the rest of the world.
An already great video to watch, not to mention they do it even better in Chinese. A bilingual creator is just amazing
This was insane, the wait realy paid off. I hope you guys launch much more videos in english.
I really like what you said.. "This is like an Intel Chip ....... in a ........ smartphone!" You really solidified my decision to go to phones with MEDIATEK 8100.. Thank you very much
This video was awesome! Thank you very much for your great work! Please do this for other midrange chips like 778g etc..
This could be a reason for everyone to buy used phones in the future and replace their batteries instead of paying more money for a new flagship,which also may cause new mobile phone prices to fall aggressively
It also proved how useless and sometimes disappointing upgrading every year does
This video was condensed with such priceless information that I wish more people had known about.
It's criminal how this channel doesn't produce more video, they are so good. Even the subtitles are provided (Can't thank you enough for that).
Being a tech nerd and being able to understand each and every thing you mentioned in the video I can surely say this is * The Best Video Comparing Mobile SoCs * on entire You Tube.
agreed
I have to write a comment. this has to be the new standard for benchmarking smartphone socs. Please do that for budget chips too
Even a nerdy thing in this video is actually more interesting than any tech reviews from other channel, nice job guy
This channel is underrated, the effort they make for every video is INSANE! like insane insane not exaggerating.
What the hell. You guys totally crushed it. I always waiting for your content and it's worth it everytime!
the data collection process was tedious yet they do it for the viewers. big props to yall
Doing the work no one else is doing right now! Thank you so much! Smartphone chip performance has clearly peaked, we need more efficiency now!
This topic is so overlooked. Thanks for working on it. Looking forward an update covering new and more SoC especially mid range ones!
TLDR:
Apple dominates
Qualcomm improving after ditching Samsung for TSMC
Avoid anything from Samsung fabs
This was definitely the best and most relevant analysis of mobile chips I've seen to date.
samsung products in general since half a decade have been inferior garbage, dictatorships rarely if ever last beyond one generation(i consider samsung a kind of a dictatorship since they own their own city and mostly run by blood relations/friendship)
TLDR: Mediatek is getting competitive and chips like the 8100 are of pretty good value considering they're featured in 350-400$ phones
@@santhoshsridhar5887 Mediatek is garbage if you want to emulate games on your phone from PS2 or 3ds
@@MFDOOOOM not everybody emulates on their phone, anyway
@@kalamay yeah but still mediatek is garbage.. it's just like wine some is aging better some aging shit.
Wow, after Andrei left AnandTech, I never thought I'd get to see this level of detail for smartphone SOCs. This is exceptional.
i really appreciate all the hard work you have done on this video by testing multiple soc with complicated methodes thats really takes a lot of time. 26 minutes full of informations and acurate benchmarks that really shows the reality of performance against power efficiency rather than all benchmark numbers that shows on internet which doesn't gives you the real experience. i hope to see more video like this because i really like it.
1 year later, this is still a banger video, thx for lecturing this noob, appreciate you
This is truly amazing work. Modern ARM SoCs are complex and the complexity increases exponentially due to battery constraints. Making things worse, some manufacturers just boost their CPU to max when they detect benchmarking binaries running.
The tests here took all of this into account and provided some of the best CPU benchmarking data I've seen anywhere and on any CPU (be it desktop or mobile). Cheers! You've more than earned this sub.
Very informative video... literally nobody else covers topic like these 👏
This is like the Linus Tech Tips of mobile phones
data , graphs, power analysis, any bit of information you could get your hands on is on this channel ❤️❤️😍
The amount of slides and graphs in like Hardware Unboxed :D (so great)
Your content is absolutely unique. It makes sophisticated content more accessible and enjoyable. Love your work.
Super video, the strongest nail in the Samsung Foundry's coffin to cement the foundry once and for all
I thank youtube for recommending this guy finally a mobile cpu reviewer with brain
None other like you. Period.
The amount work that you always put in is phenomenal.
The simplistic way you explain such tough processes and numbers? Once again phenomenal.
Yet another absolutely stellar piece of research and analysis! You guys are actually the best mobile technology channel on TH-cam.
you deserve 10m+ subs and you will reach that, keep on doing these videos!
Can you guys please upload more vids. I'm craving for these kinds of contents
this is the video that made me subscribe to your channel, that you are making effort and provide info with in-depth analysis, very rare attitude in todays environment
This is just amazing, such great amount of data presented in a really clean way. This channel is the greatest for geeks!!
The amount of effort for this video is exceptional. Thank you for making this GREAT comparison. GOOD JOB GEEKERWAN ❤️
I think I say this on every video you guys make but you guys are a blessing to this platform.
I agree most people won't understand what you guys are doing but for the ones who do, you guys are doing gods work.
Please don't change.
his channel deserves 5M + subscribers based on the quality of videos he post!! Period!!
I was dreaming for test like this for sooo long. You're the best 👍
WoW the amount of effort you put in your videos are crazy
Amazing review! We really need Samsung Foundry to catch up to TSMC so Samsung Exynos/Google Tensor don't get left even further behind Qualcomm/MediaTek/Apple
Hey, thank you for putting in all the work to make this video. It was actaully eye opening just to see all of this data and hope to see more of these types of analyses later on. The way you guys also laid out the graphs and presented everything made it 10x better too.
Man, I love your narration
The most interesting video regarding benchmarks I have ever seen. Greatttt content.
The chart for smartphone were so great
I really want to see the same chart for computer processor, especially for laptops, see how Intel and AMD has been doing, and how much more efficiency Apple has been doing
Absolutely loved the video. Super insightful and informative.
Liked and subscribed!
As a big google fan, I would be super interested in seeing some analysis between the last 3 or 4 generations of Google Pixel Processors! Google Tensor, the SD765, and the SD855. I'd also be super interested in breakdowns in modem performance and efficiency between these 3 devices!
The pixel 6 series has very bad battery life compared to the competition, while my pixel 5 was actually pretty good. And from what I know, the pixel 4XL was awful. I think there might be a lot to cover and unveil between them!
You guys are amazing. Talking some serious technical stuff and doing deep analysis with great explainations. Keep it up 💯
This is an amazing video explaining everything. I already knew dimension 8100 was going to perform well since one 8100 powered Xiaomi phone has been under my radar for a while
I ended up buying the 8100 phone. Love the battery life and performance
Man, amazing. This is what has been lacking amongst reviewers of smartphones, even the most popular ones. You sir, have my subscription !!!
Solid review - I was surprised that the marketing from qualcomm was so far off from reality in application vs cherry picked test cases.
I'd be interested in similar tests for modems/displays as they are the other major contributor to mobile platform power draw, and are even more obscure in details compared to the SOC.