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Sideloading removal is not about security, it's about killing ReVanced and other patched versions of their apps, that remove ads and add premium features.
That is LITERALLY the only reason I use Android ngl. If I can't sideload ReVanced and similar apps, I will just use iPhone because why bother with a less-glamorous OS that doesn't give me any benefit vs iPhone?
@@FengLengshunthey are already losing market to apple and then they go out and make decisions like this which makes some of their most loyal followers furious....if I can't have the ability to sideload then there isn't much I want with android....apple is better in every way
android honestly sucks now can't add storage App restrictions all the way I'm using android 10 because of it Android peaked on android 9-10 will continue using it
@@minatonamikaze2637to put it up to app devs who are still beholden to Google’s petty controls on payments is to prevent sideloading on Android. They’re not gonna fork their apps for that infitesimally small market. Fix the problem at the source.
@@GurbyTheGreatProfile picture does not check out, I know it looks like mobile Linux is never going anywhere. There were bursts of progress in the last few years, I keep hoping that once the OS is sorted out open smartphones and software development for mobile Linux will pick up more momentum than they have right now. Then we will see how far the penguin phones go.
I'm an android power user and I hate the increased restrictions year after year. Especially now that they are restricting sideloading and increasing restrictions on apps like termux and losing access to the 'android' folder. I have been contemplating getting an iPhone for a while and Google seems to make that option more appealing for me. I hope that there will be easy workarounds for these restrictions because I really like Android overall.
If you're a power user, you use a custom ROM with magisk, so this doesn't affect you one way or the other. In fact, you benefit from all apps not having the kind of access to your phone you have. The "normal" Android behavior where any random app can read all your files is pretty absurd
@@NJ-wb1cz well, yeah, that's another layer of power that I haven't meddled in yet since I use midrange Samsung phones that usually don't have fully functioning and supported custom ROMs like the more popular phones do. I'm planning to get a high end Samsung phone soon but still I don't think I'll be going to unlock its bootloader because I don't want to do such irreversible thing (the HW knox thing) that I don't know its consequences on my main phone.
Google has already done a great job mucking the viability of custom roms, especially with banking apps that get upset for just enabling developer mode. Why stay on android knowing things will only get worse and have been for the last 6 years? At least there's sideloading on ios
@@BakrAli10 If you're hooked on samsung stuff, there are roms for older devices like un1ca that include everything in a convenient package except for wallet/pay. And there are no consequences, if you want you can just flash your old rom. But generally, relying on one vendor's special features isn't a power user thing, it greatly limits your choice and locks you into their ecosystem. At that point, it is in fact not too different from being similarly locked into the Apple ecosystem
@@joys761 yeah, I forgot that annoying thing! Isn't sideloading limited to EU, though? And it only works with 'approved by Apple' alternative app stores?
Sideloading removal just underlines why AOSP and phones with unlocked bootloaders are now more important than ever before. It's hilarious that Google thinks they will get away with it at the same time that iOS is about to allow side loading -- making Android pretty much a second rate platform in every aspect. A mass exodus of open source developers might very well be enough to completely kill Android as a viable phone OS the same way BlackBerry OS and Windows Phone died.
The big G thought of that, it’s why AOSP is being gimped and why ARM mobile devices are so hostile to non Android based OS. Yes, even the ones with unlocked bootloaders. They did it for the same reasons you can’t swap batteries on your mobile devices: planned obsolescence, controlling users and minimizing competition. Power users and open source developers tend to make up a tiny fraction of total users. Talk to average person with an Android smartphone and ask them if they sideload or do any advanced stuff. I’m fairly certain most of them will say no. What we need is a third major OS and, possibly, a type of smartphone. Handheld PCs could (and IMO should) lead to PC smartphones. These types of computers retain many of the advantages of the PC, including repairability and the freedom to run any software you like. With Strix Point and Lunar Lake likely closing the gap in areas where ARM excels like battery life, I think a PC smartphone is possible. I dream about a PC gaming phone every night heh.
google does this because it _can_ get away with this, it's not like an unlocked phone is any more accessible than the average Samsung and similar phones that are the only thing most people can afford. unless there's a company that's very suddenly available in major countries and has enough influence to affect other companies, i don't see that happening, because giving rights back to users means missing out on potential profit, but who would be willing to do that, let alone a publicly traded company?
It doesn't entirely block side loadings so you'd still be able to sideload but the problem is now the developer has control over if they want their apps to be sideloaded or not, which is a serious issue if you want to download repatched apps like revanced.
@@Myemnhk85% of the phone experience is software. Phones are more that powerful enough to do everything the majority of people need them to do. Also it’s arguable that Apple has the better hardware considering that they have some of the best screens from Samsung, the fastest storage, and one of the most powerful chipsets every year with the A series.
@@dennisp8520 Snapdragon chipset is more powerful, my phone literally charges 4x the speed of any iphone, storage speed is the same, and dxomark and other people who rank phone screens usually have atleast 5 androids over the latest iphone at any given time. For example the iphone is number 12 right now. And once again the software isn't bad. If anything iphones software is bad and overly restrictive. People called android bad because it used to be laggy and buggy, that hasn't been the case in years. You're saying that the con of android is they're removing features that apple never had. That's hilarious how that's a negative for androids software but not a negative for apple for not having those features in the first place? You can't just say, "oh apples software is better because android is removing some features", because ios also doesn't have those features. Think logically. You're just overrating how good ios is and overrating how bad android is to confirm a bias.
Restrictions on side loading will only make android power users more frustrated... Cause nobody side loads apps without knowing what they are doing Google already restricted access to Android folder in file manager And now another major blow to power users
"3 years behind in performance" is nothing compared to the "10 years behind in performance" we were hearing a couple years ago. At this rate, China could will be 3 years ahead in a few years.
It's been consistently trending in this direction for a few years now. Last year, with SD8 Gen 3 and the A17 Pro, the SD already had a better GPU and multicore scores were very close. The only meaningful difference was in Single Core.
I don’t care about the latest phone anymore if you can’t truly own it and do whatever you want with it… The reason why I stayed loyal to Android was the freedom to customize and side-load apps without needing to jailbreak it/root it. Locked bootloaders is also why I have no interest in US made phones.. If I wanted to feel restricted I’ll simply buy an iPhone since they have been doing it since always so they already perfected the “you will own nothing and be happy” movement.
I'm not sure for security purposes if side-loading should have ever been allowed on phones given this creates a massive systemic security threat not just for carrier networks but for the entire internet system. I'm of the opinion that this should just be flat out illegal everywhere, purely for security purposes. Or at minimum all "side loaded" apps are strictly walled off from any network or internet connectivity, and cell phones that bypass this should be absolutely bricked at a hardware level and irrecoverable as phones.
If I can't sideload RV TH-cam or Instagram, I will just use iPhone. I already paid Premium, but I need RV for the features. Without that, I might as well get an iPhone since it would have the same utility to me. The move is dumb because sideload DOESN'T matter for MOST NORMAL USERS, but us who uses it, used it for a reason. Keep whittling on the reason why people stick to Android, and people with enough money will just use iPhone.
@@sturmpelz1277 the good news is that update on my Samsung is already broken, likely due to faulty wifi at my office. My device has background update download, so it likely started but it likely failed midwa without wiping the cache. So now when I open Update page, the indicator just kept spinning. Even Samsung SmartSwitch failed to install the update via USB connection. My device is stuck unless I either troubleshoot further (haven't tried going to guide that says Safe Mode can apparently allow me to wipe that cache) or go to Samsung service. I'll do that once there is a full Android version update, one that has been tested for new issues and limitations, as well as if I have the time for it. So yeah, for better or worse, I'm stuck, despite spending more money than I wanted due to promise of longer update coverage.
If sideloading were removed, I wonder if Android would retain any significant advantage over the iPhone, aside from the file manager. (Admittedly, I download modded apps, as the cost of purchasing all the paid apps I use would accumulate rapidly.)
there are still many advantages android has over ios. though lately apple has been catching up. tbh i hate android trying to be more locked down. im losing interest over android updates when every year comes with more restrictions, while looking at the walled garden next door celebrating every new feature adapted from our side but with less jank.
I download modded apps, as the cost of purchasing all the paid apps and that's why developers prefer iOS to develop there apps why develop high end pro apps for phones and tablets when a lot off people download them for free developers will not work for free
incredible how two of android's biggest enthusiast points: sideloading and customization are becoming less and less relevant in the operating system, not only is apple starting to catch up, in some ways it already does them better. never thought i'd live the day to see this
Google removing side loading? Lol, then why the f will android be more appealing over iOS & iPadOS? Gcam? Security? 😂😂 Yeah, and the first pilot was an Alacentaur
8 gen 2 and 8 gen 3 already beat Apple in gpu. 8 gen 3 also matches or beats Apple in multicore performance, and now they will close the gap in single core. The progress is real
Qualcomm is playing their usual crooked game with the media. They always do it at a time when the new iPhone isn't yet shipping so people can do their own tests and they compare it to a Qualcomm processor that won't ship in a high-volume product until February. By February people will see QCOM has been lying for months.
So you are telling me a chip with 33% more cores only gets 15% higher performance? That doesn't sound like a win to me. Sounds like Qualcomms engineers still can't figure out how to catch up with Apple, so they have to maintain more cores, same as they have been doing for years. They have also been on a 50% higher TDP (12w compared to Apple's 8w). They are also are getting killed on the GPU portion of the chip. That isn't winning. That is technologically years behind.
More cores don't actually correlate to more processing power in all situations. Cores come in many configurations and sizes. The processor's underlying architecture impacts how efficiently it can handle instructions and data. Newer architectures often introduce improvements that can enhance performance even with fewer cores. Apple has fewer cores, but each of its cores is also larger and more powerful. The Qualcomm chip uses more cores, but it also uses smaller ones. So when you add it all up, the extra cores, despite being smaller, are still more capable than Apple's larger but fewer cores. It's all just a design choice. The best solution is the one that produces the most processing power for the team building the chip and also hits their target efficiency goals. Also, based on current benchmarks and reviews, the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 generally has a faster GPU than the Apple A17 Pro. This is particularly noticeable in synthetic benchmarks like 3DMark, where the Snapdragon chip often outperforms the A17 by a significant margin. 2023 was widely considered the year the Snapdragon caught up to the A series in GPU power. In 2024, it will likely match or exceed the A18 Pro in CPU power.
Higher tdp and more cores isnt a disadvantage but an advantage. Android phones usually come with bigger batteries, better cooling systems and faster charging. Smartphone processors dont always run at high wattages but having that option means you can squeeze out extra performance when you need it, and since you have the battery and cooling to support it you wont have any issues. Having more cores means your phone can use smaller efficiency cores for most daily tasks so youll save a lot of battery as well. iPhones natively come with smaller batteries, little to no cooling and also no advanced charging technologies like fast charging and bypass charging while gaming, so having low tdp for their chip makes sense you don’t want your iphone turning into a nuke 😂
@@GalaxyFur The first part of what you were saying is true. More cores don't equal more processing power. Better cores equal more processing power. That was the whole point of my comment above. Qualcomm still sucks at designing chips and cores. And no Apple doesn't use bigger cores. They both use 2 primary cores and the rest are all efficiency cores. It's just that Apple's efficiency cores can process more while using the same or less power. Qualcomm is trying to make up processing power by throwing in more cores, but then they lose out on power consumption. As far as the GPU comment, A17 was considered a skip year in chip improvements, focusing more on stability. So in 2023 Qualcomm basically caught up to Apple's 2022 chips. A18 has a 40% GPU performance increase, and Qualcomm isn't going to touch that. There are already leaked GPU benchmarks showing they are way behind. As far as the CPU meeting or exceeding in 2024.. if the leaked benchmarks are true, that still hasn't happened. Core to core they lose and they still use more power while losing. I am sorry, but efficiency cores under multi core load do not consume more power to do less processing, if they are better designed. Qualcomm is behind in single core and multi core and power consumption.. aka the chip is at least a generation behind and the chip releases after A18
@destructodisk9074 I'm sorry, but I'm afraid you're wrong about the performance. Qualcomm is designing a better chip overall, and the GPU is solidly confirmed as ahead. Qualcomm is now the industry leader. According to reliable leaks, the latest Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 will beat the A18 Pro nearly across the board. The two cores are bigger-this is well documented. I'm not talking about the efficiency cores-the Snapdragon has efficient cores as well. The only reason the A17 Pro had a slight lead in energy efficiency is that Apple secured exclusive rights to TCMS's 3nm node. Qualcomm had to make do with the older process while trying to outperform the A17 Pro in multithreaded computation.
innovation is important,China and USA are ahead of everyone else partly also because their goverments actually takes the effort of spending in these subsidies Ever heard of any european country ahead in these advanced things?they don't invest in R&D and subsidies and US/China do
If you think spending money on chip manufacturers is a waste of money wait until you find out the other things the US government is spending billions on
It's time for Samsung to release their own OS to compete against Android and allow for greater level of customisations, especially since Google is planning on removing sideloading.
Actually under previous rules the US IRS now will give Apple a credit for whatever has to be paid to the EU and it will reduce the amount Apple will pay in the US.
Even the A17 capable to run Warzone mobile in 1300p while Android only running it 980p.. so benchmarks not always reflect the final results. Also SD8G4 is not the A18 competitor, the S24U if still called to Note 24, just recently released a few weeks ago normally, and with the SD8G3 should go against the A18 iPhone.. so they just masked their results with early release, and sad if even tech channels can be fooled to not see what they are doing.. or do you to say the Note was never ever enough capable to go against the iPhone, it's only was good enough to go against the already one year old iPhone when released, and nit against that what released with it..?
@@TamasKiss-yk4stlook up geekerwan, they've done a video where an Android phone's imposed limits were bypassed and they were able to run both native resolution at stable 60fps and even 4k at 40fps, very much already surpassing the a16 at the time which was a stuttering sh show.
With phones having pretty high powered chips these days running a full linux OS on them shouldn't be hard (in theory); imagine if the EU took a big chunk of that anti-competitive fine money and gave to a project like KDE that already has a phone-tablet-desktop convergence user interface but has been operating on a shoestring budget for decades...
Man, sideloading modded apps are THE only reason i’m still sticking with an android flagship. Every year, android companies blatantly copies apple, still I like android because of the freedom. If that freedom is gone, then I’m going too, to that damned walled garden.
It's not always about how powerful the processor is. It's about how efficiently the phone optimises that power. And we all know that Apple always leads in this department. That's why a 5 year old iPhone runs smoothly even today.
These gains are effectively useless. Neither Apple buy qualcomm chip nor people buy expensive Android phones. On contrast qualcomm is losing apple modem sales in near future. Xiomi making there own Chinese SoC for future. Dark future for qualcomm
Does Foxconn do business in the US? If only my country would stop kissing the feet of big business, then they could tax them properly like the EU and get my tax money back.
Its insane how the most powerful processors actually can not maintain their raw power more than 5 minutes and later, We back to use the same power as 5 years ago.
Apple was only leading with single core CPU. The dimensity 9300 was better at multicore and snapdragon was better in gpu If Google continues on this route of restricting android more and more then they are forcing people simply to get iPhones. With iOS 18 apple brought in lots of features that android has had for years (its literally android in disguise) and its just right around the corner to bring in multitasking
would be funny if apple starts to allow sideloading and alternate stores for more widespread user, not just in select regions. android getting restricted just irks me more than an actual closed off software from the start like ios.
Its still underwhelming that AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm arn’t even able to beat Apple at their own game. Until possibly this year, but not really since the iPhone 16 Pro has the A18 Pro, and still not even close in the desktop / laptop space.
LMAO, flash back to 10 years ago “yeah, sure, Apple’s A7 wins on single-core performance, but their dual-core design is still behind Qualcomm’s quad-core design! Typical Apple fanboyism!”
still behind Qualcomm then why did Qualcomm not release an M1 equivalent chip before Apple did they where making SQ ARM chips for Microsoft for years its only when they acquired Nuvia and got those ex Apple silicone engineers that they started beating Apple
A18 Pro has 6 cores whereas 8 Gen 4 has 8 cores : no replacement for displacement, right? We'll need to see what this translates to in terms of battery life
Lmao your ad segues from "I was too lazy to figure out how AI works for this video" to "brilliant has a great course to teach you how AI works, trust me bro" lol 😂
I'm going to straight up remove the Google Play Store at this point. If Google wants to remove my sideloaded TH-cam Revanced and other modded apps they'll soon see what happens when they try. :)
You say that, like many people are running around with 4k display Sony Xperias. I bet my life you haven't seen someone with a Sony Android phone in the last 10 years
I'm not surprised because I knew they would have to recoup the hundreds of millions that they've lost on the cancelled The Last of Us Factions 2 and Concord. I'm sure the Sony ponies will happily pay that fanboy tax anyway.
Something you forget is that the chips run in smartphones which have an OS and various software components on top. By my estimation, iOS and every software on top is 20-25% more efficient compared to android so the benchmarks are actually irelevant… furthermore, benchmarks at this point in time for a chip, 3 months before launch are rarely precise
Snapdragon gets its multicore chops by using all p-cores so don't expect stellar battery life. After all, Nuvia and ARM were designing server chips, not phone chips. I don't even think that collaboration considered a e-core since they were headed for the service racks.
Nobody is removing sideloading. It's the modded apps that will be affected. You could still build anything original, and it would work. A TH-cam client that doesn't use the official one as a base wouldn't be affected.
If Qualcomm can pull this off it might be really good. I agree in phones the performance will not really be noticed but those same chips will go into flagship android tablets where their competition are Apples M2 and M4 which currently wipe the floor with anything you can get on Android devices. It would also be a good sign for the next generations of Qualcomm X laptop chips, where for now Apple still has a clear lead.
Apples single core is really high, their multi-core scores could be faster if they used as many cores as the Snapdragon. Maybe this will push Apple to increase their core count.
i used to be a developer, i still make small apps for myself sometimes to help my very niche productivity needs, android blocking sideloading would absolutely kill that and im not happy about it at all.
I'm still extremely skeptical about the benchmark numbers of the 8G4. Especially since they're based on the X Elite and they were nowhere near as impressive. It just sounds fishy that the X Elite with 12 P cores only scores 12K in multi core and then the 8G4 with a MUCH lower heat envelope and only 2 P cores and 6 e-cores somehow gets 10K? And of course, benchmarks are nothing but numbers. Qualcomm has had higher numbers in GPU compared to Apples chips for ages and yet in reality games always run in higher frame rates AND higher resolution with much higher graphics settings on iOS.
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Dude I loved the music and I really liked your presentation of the news
@@cenen7021 yeah its nice to have the new so concise without fluff
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Sideloading removal is not about security, it's about killing ReVanced and other patched versions of their apps, that remove ads and add premium features.
That is LITERALLY the only reason I use Android ngl. If I can't sideload ReVanced and similar apps, I will just use iPhone because why bother with a less-glamorous OS that doesn't give me any benefit vs iPhone?
Time to root our phones 🥲
@@FengLengshunthey are already losing market to apple and then they go out and make decisions like this which makes some of their most loyal followers furious....if I can't have the ability to sideload then there isn't much I want with android....apple is better in every way
@@FengLengshun "less glamorous OS" you can't be for real lol
@@FO0TMinecraftPVPI’ll correct that “less glamorous out of the box and with out any extra effort”
Apple being forced to add side loading
Android stop side loading
What time's we live in
Umm ackshually they didnt stop sideloading, its upto app devs
@@minatonamikaze2637what a nonsense statement
@@okene ?
android honestly sucks now can't add storage
App restrictions all the way
I'm using android 10 because of it
Android peaked on android 9-10 will continue using it
@@minatonamikaze2637to put it up to app devs who are still beholden to Google’s petty controls on payments is to prevent sideloading on Android. They’re not gonna fork their apps for that infitesimally small market. Fix the problem at the source.
Sideloading removal would make all my android devices useless
I would switch to iPhone in a heartbeat
@@GurbyTheGreatI mean yeah at that point what’s the difference
@@GurbyTheGreatProfile picture does not check out, I know it looks like mobile Linux is never going anywhere. There were bursts of progress in the last few years, I keep hoping that once the OS is sorted out open smartphones and software development for mobile Linux will pick up more momentum than they have right now. Then we will see how far the penguin phones go.
Useless? How so?
But why? Which incredible apps that you sideload are you going to miss?
F*** off with those sideloading restrictions google!
😂 *laughs in Apple*
Side loading wont go away. Infact EU is pushing even apple to allow side loading on iphones.
I'm an android power user and I hate the increased restrictions year after year. Especially now that they are restricting sideloading and increasing restrictions on apps like termux and losing access to the 'android' folder. I have been contemplating getting an iPhone for a while and Google seems to make that option more appealing for me. I hope that there will be easy workarounds for these restrictions because I really like Android overall.
If you're a power user, you use a custom ROM with magisk, so this doesn't affect you one way or the other. In fact, you benefit from all apps not having the kind of access to your phone you have. The "normal" Android behavior where any random app can read all your files is pretty absurd
@@NJ-wb1cz well, yeah, that's another layer of power that I haven't meddled in yet since I use midrange Samsung phones that usually don't have fully functioning and supported custom ROMs like the more popular phones do. I'm planning to get a high end Samsung phone soon but still I don't think I'll be going to unlock its bootloader because I don't want to do such irreversible thing (the HW knox thing) that I don't know its consequences on my main phone.
Google has already done a great job mucking the viability of custom roms, especially with banking apps that get upset for just enabling developer mode. Why stay on android knowing things will only get worse and have been for the last 6 years? At least there's sideloading on ios
@@BakrAli10 If you're hooked on samsung stuff, there are roms for older devices like un1ca that include everything in a convenient package except for wallet/pay. And there are no consequences, if you want you can just flash your old rom.
But generally, relying on one vendor's special features isn't a power user thing, it greatly limits your choice and locks you into their ecosystem. At that point, it is in fact not too different from being similarly locked into the Apple ecosystem
@@joys761 yeah, I forgot that annoying thing! Isn't sideloading limited to EU, though? And it only works with 'approved by Apple' alternative app stores?
Sideloading removal just underlines why AOSP and phones with unlocked bootloaders are now more important than ever before. It's hilarious that Google thinks they will get away with it at the same time that iOS is about to allow side loading -- making Android pretty much a second rate platform in every aspect. A mass exodus of open source developers might very well be enough to completely kill Android as a viable phone OS the same way BlackBerry OS and Windows Phone died.
huh??? where did you see the news about apple making sideloading possible? Cuz that would be craazy
@@comfortingabsurdity. the EU forced apple to allow sideloading, however this only applies to iPhones in the EU.
@@rodrigomarques1075And it only applies to app stores, not apps individually.
The big G thought of that, it’s why AOSP is being gimped and why ARM mobile devices are so hostile to non Android based OS. Yes, even the ones with unlocked bootloaders. They did it for the same reasons you can’t swap batteries on your mobile devices: planned obsolescence, controlling users and minimizing competition. Power users and open source developers tend to make up a tiny fraction of total users. Talk to average person with an Android smartphone and ask them if they sideload or do any advanced stuff. I’m fairly certain most of them will say no.
What we need is a third major OS and, possibly, a type of smartphone. Handheld PCs could (and IMO should) lead to PC smartphones. These types of computers retain many of the advantages of the PC, including repairability and the freedom to run any software you like. With Strix Point and Lunar Lake likely closing the gap in areas where ARM excels like battery life, I think a PC smartphone is possible. I dream about a PC gaming phone every night heh.
google does this because it _can_ get away with this, it's not like an unlocked phone is any more accessible than the average Samsung and similar phones that are the only thing most people can afford. unless there's a company that's very suddenly available in major countries and has enough influence to affect other companies, i don't see that happening, because giving rights back to users means missing out on potential profit, but who would be willing to do that, let alone a publicly traded company?
"You also get a Kirin 9010 chip that is 3 years behind in performance".
So...that means it's still better than Google's latest Tensor.
Good one bro 😂
But best in AI integration
There's no way they can stop ppl from sideloading on Android, especially in the EU, where Google is already getting fined for being a monopoly.
It doesn't entirely block side loadings so you'd still be able to sideload but the problem is now the developer has control over if they want their apps to be sideloaded or not, which is a serious issue if you want to download repatched apps like revanced.
If sideloading is gone, I'll 100% change to Apple. Why use a generally worse stable phone with just as bad OS.
right now it looks like it'll be on a case by case basis at developer's discretion.
Faster charging, better hardware. I mean its not all software lmfao
@@Myemnhk85% of the phone experience is software. Phones are more that powerful enough to do everything the majority of people need them to do.
Also it’s arguable that Apple has the better hardware considering that they have some of the best screens from Samsung, the fastest storage, and one of the most powerful chipsets every year with the A series.
@@dennisp8520 Snapdragon chipset is more powerful, my phone literally charges 4x the speed of any iphone, storage speed is the same, and dxomark and other people who rank phone screens usually have atleast 5 androids over the latest iphone at any given time. For example the iphone is number 12 right now. And once again the software isn't bad. If anything iphones software is bad and overly restrictive. People called android bad because it used to be laggy and buggy, that hasn't been the case in years. You're saying that the con of android is they're removing features that apple never had. That's hilarious how that's a negative for androids software but not a negative for apple for not having those features in the first place? You can't just say, "oh apples software is better because android is removing some features", because ios also doesn't have those features. Think logically. You're just overrating how good ios is and overrating how bad android is to confirm a bias.
Reddit & XDA developers will always have a better bypass solution than Big G i.e. Google 😂😂
Samsung hasn't promised Sleep Apnea, Samsung already HAS SLEEP APNEA.
Their watches are less accurate
I don't think that was part of their assertion.
Hopefully Samsung will cure its sleep apnea soon
@@indian-tech-support For them the point is that they have it.
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Restrictions on side loading will only make android power users more frustrated...
Cause nobody side loads apps without knowing what they are doing
Google already restricted access to Android folder in file manager
And now another major blow to power users
"3 years behind in performance" is nothing compared to the "10 years behind in performance" we were hearing a couple years ago.
At this rate, China could will be 3 years ahead in a few years.
They compensate hardware restrictions with wiser solutions. Raw performance benchmark is not the same as real-life integration, particularly for AI
It's kinda insane to think about how Google pay the fines, do one employee in accounting just wire 2 billion dollars to Europe's bank of choice???
@Daivd1111 Ikr How does it all work ?
They have an entire department for legal troubles. The fines just go the the EU budget just like in any other country.
Dang, I’m still alive to hear android beating Apple in processor performance?
Benchmarks don't necessarily reflect regular usage but yeah, that's a shocker :D I didn't expect it for a while
I’m more worried about efficiency and heat generation, especially since they stated that they are using cores similar to their laptops.
It's been consistently trending in this direction for a few years now.
Last year, with SD8 Gen 3 and the A17 Pro, the SD already had a better GPU and multicore scores were very close.
The only meaningful difference was in Single Core.
Welcome to the world where anything is possible
we're also on the timeline of apple opening up to sideloading and google trying to restrict it
I don’t care about the latest phone anymore if you can’t truly own it and do whatever you want with it… The reason why I stayed loyal to Android was the freedom to customize and side-load apps without needing to jailbreak it/root it. Locked bootloaders is also why I have no interest in US made phones.. If I wanted to feel restricted I’ll simply buy an iPhone since they have been doing it since always so they already perfected the “you will own nothing and be happy” movement.
99,99% of android users don't care.
I'm not sure for security purposes if side-loading should have ever been allowed on phones given this creates a massive systemic security threat not just for carrier networks but for the entire internet system. I'm of the opinion that this should just be flat out illegal everywhere, purely for security purposes. Or at minimum all "side loaded" apps are strictly walled off from any network or internet connectivity, and cell phones that bypass this should be absolutely bricked at a hardware level and irrecoverable as phones.
Smart move by google. Watch apple get sued for not allowing sideloading then google go and stop sideloading
If I can't sideload RV TH-cam or Instagram, I will just use iPhone. I already paid Premium, but I need RV for the features. Without that, I might as well get an iPhone since it would have the same utility to me. The move is dumb because sideload DOESN'T matter for MOST NORMAL USERS, but us who uses it, used it for a reason. Keep whittling on the reason why people stick to Android, and people with enough money will just use iPhone.
Don't update to android 15. Wait till someone figured out a way around this
@@sturmpelz1277 if you have root you can install whatever you want on any android version
@@sturmpelz1277the only way around will be to wipe and degoogle the phone. I don't see any other way around this.
@@sturmpelz1277 the good news is that update on my Samsung is already broken, likely due to faulty wifi at my office. My device has background update download, so it likely started but it likely failed midwa without wiping the cache. So now when I open Update page, the indicator just kept spinning. Even Samsung SmartSwitch failed to install the update via USB connection.
My device is stuck unless I either troubleshoot further (haven't tried going to guide that says Safe Mode can apparently allow me to wipe that cache) or go to Samsung service. I'll do that once there is a full Android version update, one that has been tested for new issues and limitations, as well as if I have the time for it.
So yeah, for better or worse, I'm stuck, despite spending more money than I wanted due to promise of longer update coverage.
From what I've read it isn't enabled yet on beta and I sure hope it doesn't get enabled in the final version.
If sideloading were removed, I wonder if Android would retain any significant advantage over the iPhone, aside from the file manager. (Admittedly, I download modded apps, as the cost of purchasing all the paid apps I use would accumulate rapidly.)
It would absolutely. None of android friends care about side loading. Normal people don't side load.
wrong, nearly all the people I know sideload apps
@@hrishi4200 True ! I sideload apps too, especially on my modded and degoogled phone
there are still many advantages android has over ios. though lately apple has been catching up. tbh i hate android trying to be more locked down. im losing interest over android updates when every year comes with more restrictions, while looking at the walled garden next door celebrating every new feature adapted from our side but with less jank.
I download modded apps, as the cost of purchasing all the paid apps
and that's why developers prefer iOS to develop there apps why develop
high end pro apps for phones and tablets when a lot off people download
them for free developers will not work for free
incredible how two of android's biggest enthusiast points: sideloading and customization are becoming less and less relevant in the operating system, not only is apple starting to catch up, in some ways it already does them better.
never thought i'd live the day to see this
Google removing side loading? Lol, then why the f will android be more appealing over iOS & iPadOS? Gcam? Security? 😂😂
Yeah, and the first pilot was an Alacentaur
F**k you google....i just bought samsung s24 ultra just cuz I could sideload apps
yeah, side loading is extremely important in android, honestly might as well get my phone rooted
@@mtarek2005 the problem with rooting is I'm from India and UPI is lifeline here and it won't work
@@kuldeepkashyap909 integrity systems are the worst, and it's probably hard to trust a modded version of that app
@@kuldeepkashyap909you can actually do UPI with gpay even after rooting
By installing some modules and stuff you can
@@kuldeepkashyap909I use all my banking and UPI apps on Rooted phone. Make zygote. Make Zygisk. Deny list them geebies
8 Gen 4 beating the A series?
I'll believe it when I see it.
Qualcomm keeps talking a huge game without delivering.
Its just a leak. probably a unit running at higher than usual clock for testing.
they do, currently 2.5 gen ahead of apple in gpu
The 8 gen 3 already beat the A chip so what are you talking about
8 gen 2 and 8 gen 3 already beat Apple in gpu. 8 gen 3 also matches or beats Apple in multicore performance, and now they will close the gap in single core. The progress is real
@@drushed7387& from past many years too
7:45 FUCK. Why is google becoming more like apple? Me don't like it😢
iGoggle
I would buy an iPhone if Google removed sideloading.
Many of the ex apple engineers were from AMD and they helped apple dethrone Qualcomm
Qualcomm is playing their usual crooked game with the media. They always do it at a time when the new iPhone isn't yet shipping so people can do their own tests and they compare it to a Qualcomm processor that won't ship in a high-volume product until February. By February people will see QCOM has been lying for months.
"pot of gold" ... Nicely done, sir... 🙂
So you are telling me a chip with 33% more cores only gets 15% higher performance? That doesn't sound like a win to me. Sounds like Qualcomms engineers still can't figure out how to catch up with Apple, so they have to maintain more cores, same as they have been doing for years. They have also been on a 50% higher TDP (12w compared to Apple's 8w). They are also are getting killed on the GPU portion of the chip. That isn't winning. That is technologically years behind.
More cores don't actually correlate to more processing power in all situations. Cores come in many configurations and sizes. The processor's underlying architecture impacts how efficiently it can handle instructions and data. Newer architectures often introduce improvements that can enhance performance even with fewer cores.
Apple has fewer cores, but each of its cores is also larger and more powerful. The Qualcomm chip uses more cores, but it also uses smaller ones. So when you add it all up, the extra cores, despite being smaller, are still more capable than Apple's larger but fewer cores. It's all just a design choice. The best solution is the one that produces the most processing power for the team building the chip and also hits their target efficiency goals.
Also, based on current benchmarks and reviews, the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 generally has a faster GPU than the Apple A17 Pro. This is particularly noticeable in synthetic benchmarks like 3DMark, where the Snapdragon chip often outperforms the A17 by a significant margin.
2023 was widely considered the year the Snapdragon caught up to the A series in GPU power. In 2024, it will likely match or exceed the A18 Pro in CPU power.
Higher tdp and more cores isnt a disadvantage but an advantage. Android phones usually come with bigger batteries, better cooling systems and faster charging. Smartphone processors dont always run at high wattages but having that option means you can squeeze out extra performance when you need it, and since you have the battery and cooling to support it you wont have any issues. Having more cores means your phone can use smaller efficiency cores for most daily tasks so youll save a lot of battery as well. iPhones natively come with smaller batteries, little to no cooling and also no advanced charging technologies like fast charging and bypass charging while gaming, so having low tdp for their chip makes sense you don’t want your iphone turning into a nuke 😂
@@GalaxyFur The first part of what you were saying is true. More cores don't equal more processing power. Better cores equal more processing power. That was the whole point of my comment above. Qualcomm still sucks at designing chips and cores. And no Apple doesn't use bigger cores. They both use 2 primary cores and the rest are all efficiency cores. It's just that Apple's efficiency cores can process more while using the same or less power. Qualcomm is trying to make up processing power by throwing in more cores, but then they lose out on power consumption.
As far as the GPU comment, A17 was considered a skip year in chip improvements, focusing more on stability. So in 2023 Qualcomm basically caught up to Apple's 2022 chips. A18 has a 40% GPU performance increase, and Qualcomm isn't going to touch that. There are already leaked GPU benchmarks showing they are way behind.
As far as the CPU meeting or exceeding in 2024.. if the leaked benchmarks are true, that still hasn't happened. Core to core they lose and they still use more power while losing. I am sorry, but efficiency cores under multi core load do not consume more power to do less processing, if they are better designed. Qualcomm is behind in single core and multi core and power consumption.. aka the chip is at least a generation behind and the chip releases after A18
@destructodisk9074 I'm sorry, but I'm afraid you're wrong about the performance. Qualcomm is designing a better chip overall, and the GPU is solidly confirmed as ahead.
Qualcomm is now the industry leader. According to reliable leaks, the latest Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 will beat the A18 Pro nearly across the board.
The two cores are bigger-this is well documented. I'm not talking about the efficiency cores-the Snapdragon has efficient cores as well.
The only reason the A17 Pro had a slight lead in energy efficiency is that Apple secured exclusive rights to TCMS's 3nm node. Qualcomm had to make do with the older process while trying to outperform the A17 Pro in multithreaded computation.
Block sideloading.. And I'm gone to other side of the wall
Sony huffing that copium with ps5 pro
Where the F do government pull 8.5 billion dollars from to subsidize a semi conductor manufacturer? Shouldnt USA focus on other things?
innovation is important,China and USA are ahead of everyone else partly also because their goverments actually takes the effort of spending in these subsidies
Ever heard of any european country ahead in these advanced things?they don't invest in R&D and subsidies and US/China do
If you think spending money on chip manufacturers is a waste of money wait until you find out the other things the US government is spending billions on
@Wistbacka Gotta stay a head of China's semiconductor industry at all costs. Gotta put China in it's place that's all they care about
@@divitkarekar5803 India is also investing a lot and catching up
That's actually a fairly small amount for such an important industry.
Since Apple refuses to allow it, I hope somebody else uses all that CPU power to make an Android phone that boots Linux/Windows when docked.
You can run Linux on your android phone, look it up
@@thatkerimguyAndroid already is linux
@@ItsCOMMANDer_ bla bla bla i know
In Germany we don't say "they lost money" we say "it's just somewhere else"
It's time for Samsung to release their own OS to compete against Android and allow for greater level of customisations, especially since Google is planning on removing sideloading.
Love this weekly update, thank you.
Wish Leica would make a M-series camera with a swappable sensor.
Money for taxes are not lost by companies, but are just recovered by countries.
Actually under previous rules the US IRS now will give Apple a credit for whatever has to be paid to the EU and it will reduce the amount Apple will pay in the US.
It might beat apple chips but is it as efficient though? Remember the SD888 🔥🔥🔥
sd888 and 8gen 1 were samsung made not TSMC, so they were inefficient right from fabrication
Even the A17 capable to run Warzone mobile in 1300p while Android only running it 980p.. so benchmarks not always reflect the final results. Also SD8G4 is not the A18 competitor, the S24U if still called to Note 24, just recently released a few weeks ago normally, and with the SD8G3 should go against the A18 iPhone.. so they just masked their results with early release, and sad if even tech channels can be fooled to not see what they are doing.. or do you to say the Note was never ever enough capable to go against the iPhone, it's only was good enough to go against the already one year old iPhone when released, and nit against that what released with it..?
Remember when snapdragon 8gen 2 was released? It solved all the problems the 888 and 8gen 1 had, along with providing a real efficiency boost
@@TamasKiss-yk4stlook up geekerwan, they've done a video where an Android phone's imposed limits were bypassed and they were able to run both native resolution at stable 60fps and even 4k at 40fps, very much already surpassing the a16 at the time which was a stuttering sh show.
@@TamasKiss-yk4stapple defender.
You are everywhere defending them without any pay.
Nice
With phones having pretty high powered chips these days running a full linux OS on them shouldn't be hard (in theory); imagine if the EU took a big chunk of that anti-competitive fine money and gave to a project like KDE that already has a phone-tablet-desktop convergence user interface but has been operating on a shoestring budget for decades...
Man, sideloading modded apps are THE only reason i’m still sticking with an android flagship. Every year, android companies blatantly copies apple, still I like android because of the freedom. If that freedom is gone, then I’m going too, to that damned walled garden.
It's not always about how powerful the processor is. It's about how efficiently the phone optimises that power.
And we all know that Apple always leads in this department. That's why a 5 year old iPhone runs smoothly even today.
Hope SD 8 Gen 4 doesn't heat and drain battery so much due to this high jump in performance.
Simple solution: Don't care for "slim" but larger battery. Then we can feed back to the electricity grid ;)
@@dimiberberu 😄😄
6 cores at 3.5ghz with 2 more over 4ghz is crazy 🤯. How will this not thermal throttle severely?
Apple and Samsung add camera button:🤡
Meanwhile Sony:🗿🗿🗿🔥🔥🔥
These gains are effectively useless. Neither Apple buy qualcomm chip nor people buy expensive Android phones. On contrast qualcomm is losing apple modem sales in near future. Xiomi making there own Chinese SoC for future. Dark future for qualcomm
Al these successful Capitalist companies getting government subsidies then hating socialism 🙂
9k for the camera body?!?
Photographers please explained Why and How??
9395 dollars for a camera? You can already buy a car for that price!
Not anymore!!
If android stops letting users sideload apps, I'll probably turn to iOS.
5:18 samsung ALREADY HAS sleep apnea detection. It was certified last year and was on the galaxy watch 7 on launch.
Luckily, I watched the video just in time-I was about to order the OnePlus 12, and now I just found out that the 13 is coming out in October.
EU doing the very bare minimum when it.comes to taxing corporations. The US not doing even that.
I like how there aren't any negative comments about the PS5 Pro yet, because Google seems to be taking all the heat. 😂
Hey, Happy Friday :)
Thanks bro
Arm still have huge compatibility issue it can't most apps and games.
Does Foxconn do business in the US? If only my country would stop kissing the feet of big business, then they could tax them properly like the EU and get my tax money back.
0:34 How is the Huawei mate XT not the first story 🤦🤔
Not everyone knows about the haven of Huawei phones 😊
"I was honestly lazy to figure out how that works..."😂
That Sd gen 4 performance matches an i7-12650H ain’t no way they made a mobile ARM processor that’s as fast as a laptop processor
Its insane how the most powerful processors actually can not maintain their raw power more than 5 minutes and later, We back to use the same power as 5 years ago.
Apple was only leading with single core CPU. The dimensity 9300 was better at multicore and snapdragon was better in gpu
If Google continues on this route of restricting android more and more then they are forcing people simply to get iPhones. With iOS 18 apple brought in lots of features that android has had for years (its literally android in disguise) and its just right around the corner to bring in multitasking
would be funny if apple starts to allow sideloading and alternate stores for more widespread user, not just in select regions. android getting restricted just irks me more than an actual closed off software from the start like ios.
Its still underwhelming that AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm arn’t even able to beat Apple at their own game. Until possibly this year, but not really since the iPhone 16 Pro has the A18 Pro, and still not even close in the desktop / laptop space.
You have my respect for the Cash 22 joke, sir!
More reason to strip Android away from Google. It should be a neutral platform kind of like ARM. Come on, DOJ!
A18 pro hasn’t got tested yet properly… so i guess it’s still early to say that snapdragon is faster
1:57 if the Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 (or Dimensity 9400) can get past Wuthering Waves and Honkai Star Rail, then we've finally hit another breakthrough
I still have the original flappy bird installed! Always transferred whith each new phone
Lucky!
LMAO, flash back to 10 years ago “yeah, sure, Apple’s A7 wins on single-core performance, but their dual-core design is still behind Qualcomm’s quad-core design! Typical Apple fanboyism!”
still behind Qualcomm then why did Qualcomm not release an M1 equivalent chip before Apple did they where making SQ ARM chips for Microsoft for years its only when they acquired Nuvia and got those ex Apple
silicone engineers that they started beating Apple
A18 Pro has 6 cores whereas 8 Gen 4 has 8 cores : no replacement for displacement, right?
We'll need to see what this translates to in terms of battery life
Lmao your ad segues from "I was too lazy to figure out how AI works for this video" to "brilliant has a great course to teach you how AI works, trust me bro" lol 😂
@paxdriver ikr lmao , how tf would he know ? hahaha
I'm going to straight up remove the Google Play Store at this point. If Google wants to remove my sideloaded TH-cam Revanced and other modded apps they'll soon see what happens when they try. :)
windows for dex? 1:21
SNAPDRAGON 8 GEN 4 IN A NUTSHELL:
PERFORMANCE: BEST-IN-BUSINESS
BATTERY LIFE: BEST-CASE-SCENARIO
Intel was supposed to build in Wrocław, Poland :(
Apple always has lower spec than on android phones on paper but still provide superior performance
Wrong, Apple has the lead in single core perf for years.
you said it best, peak performance is not that important, efficiency is
People surprised at the PlayStations price? Sony sells like $1500 phones
You say that, like many people are running around with 4k display Sony Xperias. I bet my life you haven't seen someone with a Sony Android phone in the last 10 years
And not many people are buying those phones. Sony phones are more rare than a dragon egg
I'm not surprised because I knew they would have to recoup the hundreds of millions that they've lost on the cancelled The Last of Us Factions 2 and Concord. I'm sure the Sony ponies will happily pay that fanboy tax anyway.
Great. Who doesn't love online drm for software? About time android caught up to the 21st century with likes of Apple, Adobe and Autodesk.
After 6 years they did it
Android without side loading is just ios, fucking google has to ruin everything.
Seeing SD Gen 4 hits 10k while A18 Pro is only at 8.5k is soo ...unreal, especially when X Elite is still behind M4. I don't think we can trust that.
0:57 The competition is heating up, let's wait and see what the future brings.
PSA: the flappy bird foundation is owned by people who are trying to promote crypto/NFTs, be wary of it
Looks like Apple and Sony saved me some money this year. 🙈😅
Something you forget is that the chips run in smartphones which have an OS and various software components on top. By my estimation, iOS and every software on top is 20-25% more efficient compared to android so the benchmarks are actually irelevant… furthermore, benchmarks at this point in time for a chip, 3 months before launch are rarely precise
Hopefully that Qualcomm processor is just as efficient to make up for that added power.
Ever better hardware, hobbled by ever worse software and business models... PS: Geekbench is memory sensitive. The faster memory, the larger gain.
If they were to remove side loading, people would just create app stores that emulate side loading.
Snapdragon gets its multicore chops by using all p-cores so don't expect stellar battery life.
After all, Nuvia and ARM were designing server chips, not phone chips.
I don't even think that collaboration considered a e-core since they were headed for the service racks.
Intel's in a cash 22 situation
If Google bans sideloading we going to iphone. 😂😂😂
If the benchmarks are true, time for competition. Great news!
Nobody is removing sideloading.
It's the modded apps that will be affected. You could still build anything original, and it would work.
A TH-cam client that doesn't use the official one as a base wouldn't be affected.
Snapdragon is ready to launch their own smartphone🎉🎉
If Qualcomm can pull this off it might be really good. I agree in phones the performance will not really be noticed but those same chips will go into flagship android tablets where their competition are Apples M2 and M4 which currently wipe the floor with anything you can get on Android devices.
It would also be a good sign for the next generations of Qualcomm X laptop chips, where for now Apple still has a clear lead.
I mean,if ireland doesn't want the money,i could help
I will fine complaint against google for stealing data. I started processing for it. Prepareing document and reply from google.
Apples single core is really high, their multi-core scores could be faster if they used as many cores as the Snapdragon. Maybe this will push Apple to increase their core count.
i used to be a developer, i still make small apps for myself sometimes to help my very niche productivity needs, android blocking sideloading would absolutely kill that and im not happy about it at all.
I'm still extremely skeptical about the benchmark numbers of the 8G4.
Especially since they're based on the X Elite and they were nowhere near as impressive. It just sounds fishy that the X Elite with 12 P cores only scores 12K in multi core and then the 8G4 with a MUCH lower heat envelope and only 2 P cores and 6 e-cores somehow gets 10K?
And of course, benchmarks are nothing but numbers. Qualcomm has had higher numbers in GPU compared to Apples chips for ages and yet in reality games always run in higher frame rates AND higher resolution with much higher graphics settings on iOS.
I always watch this Vsauce's videos in 1.5x