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0:00 What is this Video about?
3:25 State of Golden Demon w/ Ninjon
17:19 40K Single
21:58 40K Squad
31:27 40K Vehicle
35:11 40K Large Model
39:00 Age of Sigmar Single
43:11 Age of Sigmar Unit
49:14 Age of Sigmar Large Model
54:27 Diorama
59:54 Duel
1:05:47 Middle-Earth
1:08:41 Small Scale
1:10:57 Youngbloods
1:13:57 Open Competition
1:18:33 Slayer Sword
1:20:46 My Favourite
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Thank you for the feedback about my base - I agree that making the surrounding ruble glow with the energy would have been better. The funny part is that if you looked at the Yncarne from above you would see glowing runes in the center of the base. I just assumed everyone would be looking at it from above and not straight on. Regardless, I feel so grateful to have won my first Golden Demon.
Congratulations!
Could it be down to the awful photography then? I mean a white background really isn't going to help. But the photos are always so over exposed it's ridiculous.
Thank you for inviting Jon. He's an amazing and kind human being. Not often seen someone being this kind and heartful. Really hit me that his entry was broken and he wasn't even informed. Thank you both for being awesome! Keep on making amazing content, you are an inspiration to dare to try something new!
I feel so sad for Ninjon. I've been watching and listening to his podcast about his progress on his diaroma. Devastated for him. Nice work getting him on the channel
Honestly the disrespect to him and his piece was devastating. I also followed his progress and was super hyped since I also love the art he based it on. Very disappointing that someone broke it and said nothing.
I'm always baffled by how GW takes no effort to give credits to the miniatures by taking good pictures.
Seriously! You’d think for being “the most prestigious painting competition in the galaxy” or whatever nonsense they tout, they could take more than one blurry, poor quality photo of the winners
Possibly out of fear it would outshine the posted painted products
@@itsio7188 Still doesn't explain why they don't even bother to have every miniatures of a squad in focus. That's just a camera setting.
@@MrDevilFlash - That's honestly a problem with the person that put it together. You're meant to create a scene, not just put models in random areas. Most of the squad/unit pieces don't really have composition. The only one that truly did was the Imperial Guard one, which was truly flawless on every level.
The fact that they choose a white background shows me how useless they are at taking photos.
I really hate that they don't show all the pieces that were submitted. I was there and you can't get a great picture of a lot of the pieces in the glass case due to time of day reflection and glare. There is so much work put into them and all of them are inspirational, even the 'silly' ones (like the titan painted like an ice cream sundae).
I've always found GW to be wanting when it comes to shining light on the actual hobby community.
I feel the same way. I submitted a Commissar I had been working on for a very long time, just for it to get shoved to the back of the Single Miniature cabinet, behind a full other row of minis. I don't even think anyone could really see it. I didn't exactly have high hopes for winning, but it still bums me out that no one could see my hard work because it was shoved to the back of a case that you could barely see through anyway. Oh well. At least I can say I participated.
The khan was robbed hands down the best model in that entire case
1:03:35 that peasant running away is lowkey one of the most used gw pieces in dioramas. The giant kit it comes from is a really top-notch set, its also gave us the pointing skeleton road marker that you see everywhere, and a bunch of other really good little pieces too. Warhammer is starved for official minis of non-combatants, I've always thought they'd be well served by releasing a set that's just a bunch of similar bits to use on display pieces or bigger models. The giant kit is from 2006 and still holds up, if they do a good job they'd make a fortune
The Gundam awards were fun to watch, they show all the entries and the judges discuss the award winners and they talk to the person also.
I’ll never get to this painting level, but I always love to watch your golden demon reviews. Thank you for the amazing content as always bro
Thanks for sharing an episode of the 2023 Golden demons awards. Yes, I would have liked to have seen more. I love this hobby and hopefully one day I can visit the competition , coming from Los Angeles, California. this would be a huge Bucket list voyage for me. It would be a great honor to meet al the painter I watch on youtube and the sharing of techniques have helped so much. I would like to thank them personally and see all my favorite figures painted before my eyes. just being there would be mind blowing. thanks for sharing.
What an amazing conversation between you guys. 👏
That model in the intro page kicks ass should have gotten an award
Every one of these making it to even being CONSIDERED is very commendable. Absolute BEAUTIFUL work to everyone that entered!
That Sigismund is melting my brain. I would say it's like cover art come to life, but it's so much like cover art that it doesn't look like a physical model in photographs. If you put a backdrop with it and told me it was a physical model I wouldn't believe you.
It’s messing with me so hard that it looks like 2d art but some cracked mad lad painted it AND IT ONLY GOT BRONZE HOW!
Same, my mind is blown by it. If someone asked me whether it's an actual model or digital art, I'd say it's digital art
Ninjon is a legend
He's mediocre at best
@@NeonShimmer And yet he makes a living of being a miniature painter on YT. You try and see if you can put in 300hours on a golden demon contender piece and turn that in to content on YT you can actually make a living off. If you can do that, I'll be very impressed.
@@NeonShimmer you can probably keep that to yourself hey. Comments like that don’t help anyone.
No. He's a prolific youtuber, and business man. but yeah. average and vastly overrated painter, i agree.
With Erik Swinson, i think the most insane part of it is that he also regulates shadows and light within the shadows. I think, often times, judges undervalue him because it looks right. Know what i mean? It's often an issue in mini painting. Sometimes people don't understand how good someone is, cause your eye just tells you that it looks right, but your brain doesn't realise that it's all painted and takne into consideration by the painter.
yeah, absolutely makes sense.
That sigismund is the best paint job I’ve ever seen.
Really like your content and ninjon's. Would love to see more of your shared thoughts about painting and sides of the hobby
Im gonna be honest looking at these in person Is always so amazing, the amount of work people have to put in to get these to look this good is crazy.
All of these are great but the one from Erik Swinson for the open competition is mindblowing to me. What's more mindblowing is that it got bronze only.
I was told by a Golden Deamon staffer on Saturday they had over 700 entries
1:14:06 are you trying to tell me that's an actual mini..? :D it looks like a painting! absolutely incredible
Cool to see y’all collab
I am looking forward to this. unfortunately i didn't catch it live. thx for the content! all hail to algorithm!
Benjamin Kantor's diorama needed a slight bit of separation between the window frame pieces and his space scene - maybe an inch or even less - rather than having them on the same plane to help sell the effect. Putting it on a cyclorama wouldn't have hurt either.
Awesomely Wicked choice in having Jon on as your guest. I watch and learn from him regularly 🤓
Man I just love that giant squig with goblins on his back chasing a man trough the jungle.
Youngblood Gold lives in the same town as Vince Venturella. There is something in the water there.
30:00 I think there is a way of doing blue Ork and not lose automaticly: make it so the Ork is applying some kind of blue paint on it's body. You'll have to leave some green in few places but it could tell very nice story.
Love these videos, cheers
Roman: Thank you for going through all the entries. I really enjoyed all the winners. I would love to see more entries from the full show, it would make the event so much more transparent, but maybe it is not wanted. I was a little bit confused about "Diorama" and "Duel" ... they were kind of mixed up and I do not feel that all dioramas are truely dioramas, concerning that some do just look like units with just missing a model (new unit basing rules are great but make it more confusing) ... Thank you!
Watched this live but commenting for the algorithm. Very good vid
I always find peoples model choice can make a difference. I think they should say what mini/squad to use for each category and sceneries, bases and arrangement or posing of models are then up to the artist.
Also, whilst I agree we should see other entries, I'm not a fan of loads more having badged etc. It keeps the winning as big as it should be given the level of competition. Its like my kids football who know don't keep score through fear of upsetting losing reams. If you enter you have to know you can lose. There has to be a balance.
I agreed with almost all of the winners except the Ultramarine Dreadnought. The lighting on that from above to see the almost white through blue armour was just great technique.
BUT, I stand by the model choice can make a huge difference. Especially for pro painters who may have painted a lot of a particular type/Army. There should also be rules around decals.
Dude, you gave some great advice and have always inspired me to paint better with new approaches! You're also so complimentary while giving advice for improvement. Thanks for the video.
1:14:01 - I actually drew in a sharp breath when this mini appeared. Oh my!! That would have been my Slayer Sword winner. Good job is wasn't broken like so many other entries.
Agree, but sadly it was not even eligible for winning the Slayer Sword as Entries in the Open Category are not considered for it... I think that Erik will eventually win the Slayer Sword if he will enter an eligible category :) But knowing the guy, I am not sure if that is something he is striving for anyways.
Neil changed the base as in the last competition he did, due to the size, it was moved to Diorama and not single entry. And it did not place. Hence the smaller base
yeah i said that in the livestream. Someone else also mentioned that he changed the base like 8 times though.
Awesome, missed a bit of the live stream due to power outages!
Very cool video. Also if you are interested in how Erik Swinson paint those mind-blowing shadows, there are a couple of videos on youtube from his twitch streams
I'm very sorry to hear they mishandled and disqualified @Ninjon , that's such a shame. I hope to see your piece on your channel, it deserves to be seen, and i've been looking forward to it for a while.
I understand you‘re dying to see it, but aren’t you concerned, that his channel might get suspended, if he shows his piece? 😇
Why would his channel get suspended for showing a piece he did?
The Diorama Winner and Duel Winner, Open Entry and the Regiment Winner (Squad) for me were what makes for the best of these Golden Demon entries: They all did successfully to a higher level imho:
1. Content = The imagination behind the concept
2. Context = The models are enhanced by the bases and setting and dynamic posing
3. Painting Skill = The skill obvious (which is beyond my ability to measure).
I enjoyed the live-stream: The insights from someone who is an artist to the same level and how to express thoughts, impressions discursively and impartially was excellent to listen to - to talk personally while remaining impartial - That's another skill, too!
What I like about the specific winners above is they take GW lore/ideas and bring them to like with fidelity while often adding something fresh or new to the original concept.
Duel almost certainly did not belong in that category even though it was a fucking awesome piece. It should have been moved to diorama or open based off of the rules of the duel category.
The UK one last year was very similar. The quality of painting was so high that the winners were the ones that really pushed creativity.
@@MCXL1140 He literally read the rules out in the video. There's nothing that the model doesn't comply with it, as long as you consider the squig and riders a single miniature, in the same way as an cavalry rider. They don't explicitly have to be facing off against each other.
@@scottwallbank4794 "evenly matched"
Would love to see a 'honorary mention' section for all those amazing works that were considered, but didn't make it top 3.
Lord wise it might fit if we still had GorkaMorka around (such a fun game imo) I have a custom ork that is “mad max” Morx Gorkatansky if you will. I converted the buggy a bit and it has a bunch of the grots and snot longs that are dynamic or had cool/fun little quirks to them and made it like they were looting his car and he came back to the thieving Gits ready to kill ‘em. Had a squig I wanted to paint like his Australian cattle dog the one with the grot in his mouth. I never finished the diorama because one I don’t think my painting skills would do it justice and two I thought if I were to enter GD it’d be DQ for not being fully gw parts (with the custom piece) or something like that, but who knows maybe one day if I ever improve enough skills wise I could do it.
Trove my man.. you killed me when I watched the livestream when Ninjon left haha. You need to work on your goodbyes haha. Loved the content all the same though.
A lot of people may do GD reviews, but I come to YOU first. You are the ****ing MAN, Trovarion!
That Duel winner should be in the diorama category probably.
I’m hearing an unmet need that some enterprising community member might be able to tap into - a community webpage for Golden Demon entry photos.
Entrants could choose to upload their own photos and videos so that the wider community could
1) see all entries
2) better view the winning pieces..
Trov can't wait to get back to the discord. Great video
I like to think that the more intricate bases with different levels of elevation for squads and units is something resulting from the skaven unit from UK gd ;-P
They did my man Ninjon dirty
The real world meet up we didn't know we needed, Daryl explaining J frames to Trovarion...
I always hate that they don’t put up the pictures of the competition or at least link in the photos of the competition. I wanna see all the pieces and celebrate all of them, people put hundreds of hours in to this.
A lot of really nice models, I can't really pick a favourite because (a) I've already forgotten half of what I've looked at, and (b) I'll pick something and then change my mind constantly. that being said I did really like the middle earth gold by Andy Wardle because of the painted-on textures, the NMM gold, the nice balance of saturation paired with muted tones, and the clean smoothness in the execution...to be fair though I am a big Charlie Day fan so that may be why I like Andy Wardle :P
I would love to see you paint some Epic, BFG and Aeronautica Imperiales ❤ 👍
What is the trick to gluing painted minis to painted bases - super glue always ruins it for me - is it pins or magnets or plastic glue with some paint scraped off?
I personally don't agree with the open ended evaluation/competition, although I cannot disagree that competition of this nature is easily feeding into the negative aspects of competition as a whole. I feel that it's up to GW to find ways to mitigate that and celebrate the mere fact that painters came together and dedicated so much effort to their pieces. There's more than enough material on positive reinforcement and leadership/management that would apply to something of this nature. Having all finalists' pieces online would definitely be a first step, some level of transparency (brief argumento from the judges on why the winners were chosen), and the "finalists/close call medal" are all good ideas.
I'm not the biggest fan of Ninjon, but to hear they broke his entry before judging, then judged it on that break is just gut wrenching. I think all of it just reiterates how GW has essentially nothing but disdain for its fans. There are passionate people at GW for sure, but at a cooperate level not a single one of them cares.
Whats wrong with NJ?
You can't convince me it wasn't done intentionally.
@@Krassy10 his toxic immature style is exactly what is wrong with a large portion of the hobby imo
@@Krassy10he's a youtuber businessman clicky baity like his clone miniac. which could annoy some people.
@@tando6266 oh no immature about painting plastic toys
You two are awesome.
Your art is awesome.
That said ... "There can only be one!"
Handing out participation trophies as if they are the same as the championships devalues the pinnacle award.
Don't judge yourself by others'opinions. Try, try, try again. Maybe you would have won with different judges that appreciate different styles. Many artists are not appreciated in their lifetime.
Why enter a competition if you aren't prepared to compete?
Being a bad winner or a bad loser is the nature of the individual, not the competition.
Losing hurts. Live and learn. Get up, wipe yourself off and try again.
Good luck in your future efforts. Remember that there are hundreds of people enjoying your work.
Ah! Aeronautica Imperialis. I wanna try this game out I keep seeing different things for it... It looks cool!
Very insightful to hear your comments on the entries, Trovarion. I think i will ask for your services for feedback when i will try my hand at golden demon :)
I really don't like Ninjon, but what they did to his entry was messed up. Nobody deserves that.
Nice to hear Ninjon here! I am glad to see some collabs (and I heard they help a lot)
I live in Nottingham, early today I went in to my local store for some painting and chatting... I set up all my gear and took out my paints... I was then told I had to put away my army painter paints... the reason? *health and bloody safety* this is just games workshop all over 😅😂
Multiple golden daemons, I think you’re more than just some guy on the internet.
A group of 5 guys scouring a model looking for imperfections seems like a strange way to judge art. If every art competition was judged like Golden Demon all illustrations and paintings would look like perfectly rendered AI art. If miniature painting wants to be recognized as a true art form ( and I think it should) then the obsession with flawless rendering needs to take a back seat to more creative aspects of the form. Nobody goes to the Sistine Chapel for the perfectly rendered eyeballs.
Oh, I agree! And it's done in a lot of other competitions thankfully!
But this is Golden Demon and this is how they adjudicate their painting contest since Demon has existed. It's why it's such an esteemed award, like it or not, it is what it is. And I would say that I feel like they are much more open to more modern styles of miniature painting- just look at Kaha's wins over the past two contests; she has a very different style than typical GW heavy metal style. Ultimately, as we know, 'art' is subjective at the end of the day.
It really holds miniature painting back that photo-realistic renderings are the only thing that wins. Miniature painters are *centuries* behind the rest of the art world and I mean that in a bad way. The INQ28/Blanchitsu movement is just Baroque and Dutch Golden Age applied to miniature painting. The rest of Warhammer is still in the late Medieval/Early Renaissance era.
We are nowhere near the Mannerism of Titian, Impressionism of van Gogh and Monet, or the Cubism of Picasso and Braque. There's plenty of space to explore these styles and techniques within Warhammer settings. Tzeench demons in a Cubist or an Abstract Expressionism style would be totally badass. Heavy Impressionist brushstrokes can be used to simulate movement and depth.
People rag on Modern Art (which is funny because Modernism is everything after the Renaissance and into the late 1940s going into the 1960s), but miniature painting could sure benefit from exploring something other than Hyper Realism.
@men bls other than the fact that I've always hated cubism, I agree.
No one wants to see some crappy ass Monet miniature paintings :D
Love ninjon
Really surprised that the painting community does not put a side event where all competitor can get their own mini awarded some rewards, depending on their own merit and not by comparison to other ( it does not prevent to have some overall special winners) , whislt being showed alltogether in different internet site. As Jon said quite early in the interview. Golden demon only exist beacause of the artists.
I was definitely conflicted when I saw the 40k single gold and slayer sword winner used literally the exact same bladegeist revenant sword that I bought for a kitbash of my own.
On one hand, my idea was slayer sword champion material, while on the other, everyone will now just dismiss my idea as copying off of a slayer sword winner.
Suffice to say, I will be buying a different sword (or sculpting my own), and changing the pose to match the new sword for my future entry.
I remember back in the old days GW would have one or even two white dwarf special issues dedicated to show all (!) entries, even the non finalist ones. Granted, thats over 35 years ago lol... but it was awesome. Also to see the non-finalist entries was fantastic as a motivation. I don't get why they don't put that up on the internet nowadays...
A lot of them looked quite similar in style, NMM hyper highlighted etc
Many of the miniatures look like they have been painted by the same person. Muted tones and pastel miniatures abound. I was disappointed at the lack of colour and contrast. So much washed out grey. Even so I’m glad they have been shot with white backgrounds. Black obscures fine detail.
That's the style GW has rewarded the most in recent years.
For open competition there really should be something like a "homologation" rule. Where if a model is going to be entered into the category, it should be available for public purchase for x amount of time before the competition and with x number of models produced.
I still remember one year where one of the featured models was from a box set, I think one of the first Warhammer Quest ones, which was still on pre-order at the time I think, and hadn't been released. They'd have had to get it super early to paint one of those models to a Golden Demon standard, and the only way I know of they could do that is with GW's help explicitly, and it still bothers me to this day because it makes the whole thing feel fake.
I mean, realistically, this is all nothing more than a big commercial for GW product anyway, but making it blatantly obvious like that and showing master-painted versions of models no one else could have possibly gotten yet, coincidentally on the eve of its release? Never found out the full context or how they got the model, but it just felt like a cheap advertisement for the new shiny coming out that GW themselves planted in there.
It's still fun to look at painted models, but I don't and can't take this whole competition that seriously anymore. Makes you wonder what else is going on behind the scenes.
18.:03 Should have won by a long shot. Holy shit.
I keep on saying this every time you cover these on the GW site, if you right or left-click the image depending on how you have set up the mouse controls you can open the images up in a new tab. You can then enlarge these images and get a much better sense of what it is you are looking at instead of looking at the pathetically small pop-up window that barely enlarges the image.
it's not increasing the resulution though, it's still a shit picture.
@@trovarion I'll grant the pictures are still rubbish but there is still more to notice especially in the hues of the colours and transitions along with spotting some of the smaller details show that bit better.
there is a mic company called shure? and Ninjon is using one from them?
Wouldn't that have to be Vince using them?
@@trovarion sure 😉
Is this video manually edited or auto removed pauses? There are some odd cuts and skips.
Thanks for the analysis, I always enjoy these GD breakdowns
In the old days 30+ years ago they would show lots of GD entries. I think publishing a GD book would be awesome.
watching from the UK I have a slightly different view on the importance that GW have been putting on the US events in recent years. All the big reveals in recent events have been at the American events. In the last couple of years I can only think of one uk event that had big reveals the rest of them we get them the following morning over here
The fact that we only get one photo of each entry is absurd... Those are pieces of art that took hundreds of hours to finish and we can't even see all of it, let alone appreciate the details.
Minute 18:50 "games workshop doesn't like... this" What you meant with "this"? I didn't get that
Hey, anyone found a good tutorial for horses like in 1:07:52 ?
Have you checked andy wardles patreon?
@@trovarion oh I will do it, thank you for reply!
"I don't know who that dark angel mini is, but I say Nathaniel Garro"
...........
Garrro is only one of the most famous Deathguard for being one of the few loyalists and a total gigachad.
The blazing white backgrounds on the photos are a huge detriment to these models. Especially for brighter or paler parts that are set against the white.
GW breaking an entry and not having the decency to tell the contestant shows what they think of their community. You’re just pouring countless hours into a piece so they can use it to promote themselves.
It really is shocking and I'm suprised more of an uproar isn't being voiced because of it. Like you say it highlights just how little GW thinks of the community.
Honestly i wish most wargaming/board gaming cons had community-organized competitions in the style of Golden Demon but with a more open system
The breaking of models is so sad.
it is! :(
@@trovarion Not just sad, unacceptable. Hundreds of workhours for nothing.
But also accidents happen. It’s inevitable and if Jon noticed it and didn’t ask to take it out and repair it it seems everyone could have helped remedy the situation.
@@Scherdnr he said he did not know
It's past the point of being sad its borderline malicious the way they handled it.
coooool
Imagine winning golden demon, then seeing the thumbnail of this video.
Imagine winning golden demon, then MAKING this thumbnail.
@@trovarion haha touche xD
Very sad to hear Ninjons entry was broken prior to being judged, gutted for him and lets not beat around the bush I don't believe its okay it is not particularly difficult to move 300 things without breaking them to me it just highlights the disrespect to the entries involved.
Or "special attention" given to his in particular by someone who didn't think highly of him.
@@ninneplug I hadn't considered the possibility which admittedly must exist I'm just reluctant to jump to malice when lax attitudes and poor management are so prevalent.
the duel gold is painted stunningly but it is not a duel in any sense in a million years. A duel is a contest ARRANGED between 2 parties to settle a dispute... They are already playing loose with that definition with multiple units chasing someone down or the clear fact that people arent arranging the battles between dragons and garganrts... It would only be somewhat a duel if the human was in some way at least armed ... I think for Duel the rule really needs to be a 1V1 fight.... id love to see an entry of a proper duel, between 2 humans, or whatever, empire units with seconds and a Dr on hand... that'd be very nice
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I think its ok that they dont show every entry but only for the reason that the entrant may put the same model/miniatures in another competition
I have a question about the rules of Golden Demon... The Slayer Sword winner had already entered that mini into the Golden Demon UK and then took it out of the diorama... I remember even from 'lower-level' contests such as the ReaperCon competitions, it was against the rules to submit a miniature that had already competed somewhere else. That's to prevent one person from spending 500 hours on a single mini and then entering it into a million places to maximize awards won compared to people who are painting multiple competition pieces. Otherwise if you have the funds you just paint one piece and then go globe-trotting, which is almost like a pay-to-win scenario.
So what are GW's rules on this?
He didn't win a demon with it before, so it doesn't matter.
@@trovarion I see... I found the rule that says you can try again from year-to-year by altering a mini that did not win in the past. They didn't specifically address multiple Golden Demons in a single year but I'm assuming it's the same concept. What I couldn't find... Would GW give a Slayer Sword to a mini that had already competed in (or won) a non-GW event such as Crystal Brush? And since Crystal Brush is also at Adepticon, can you enter into both contests with variants of the same miniature or diarama?
@@Kragnorak yes they would and why not. Sidenote: Crystal brush does not exist anymore. I think it's gone for 4 or 5 years now.
a Dark Angels mini wins when The Lion is about to drop. HMMM Big think........
Does seem just a tad coincidental doesn't it?
We need to really lock in the community cry for more photos, like there website has full 360 scans of models to buy. :/
Speaking about Warhammer Community showing the WInners. Am I the only one pissed they don't even use high res images? Like...it's 2023, not 2010, you can use something larger than 1024x768 or some shit....
Regarldess of how amazing many of these entries are, you know how I feel about this obviously Trov. But I'm mostly just pissed about them damaging so many entries; and I'm disappointed that those people aren't voicing their disgust or GW isn't issuing an apology. Was The Hulk or Thanos handling those entries?
Anyway, the fact that they chose a white background shows me how useless they are at taking photos - especially for those pieces that honestly require a black background not supernova level white. But the photos are always so over exposed it's ridiculous. The lack of multiple photos or a 360 view is just lazy. Maybe they should speak to a professional like you, Emil, Angel, Juan, Scott or even Jon about taking decent photos. Tsk tsk GW.
Had the exact same picks for who I thought would win the sword, but obviously working only from these single pictures is hard. The actual winner is not really my cup of tea, similar to last year. No matter how perfect the execution, my brain simply goes "yup, that's a skink/space marine". Whereas something like Benjamin's diorama, Sergio's duel or Andy's single mini just makes my jaw drop to the floor.
I’m with you and while that skink and Dark Angel were painted extremely smooth and they looked amazing I just don’t think they were sword winning worthy by my personal standards (alas I’m not a judge so 🤷🏻♂️) imho I think something that is painted to high standards and has a story you can see by just looking at it is what I believe makes a true winner.
Why should certain models or even entire painting categories be automatically exempt from the sword by your logic? That defies the whole point of the overall winner.
@@scottwallbank4794 no clue how you're jumping to that conclusion. It's not about the model, it's about how it's painted. I just prefer a more creative/dramatic approach, e.g. very strong directional lighting, OSL, unlikely colour choices, etc. I'm not as interested in seeing a standard space marine or skink painted to perfection in the standard way.
@@jordivermeulen2519 OK. But an entry shouldn't be restricted from overall winner simply due to a lore friendly colour scheme. If its good enough to win its category on painting skill, thats the most important thing for going into overall winner for me. I actually like that its so rather than just the grandest model wins.
@@scottwallbank4794 I'm literally just saying they're not my preference. I'm not advocating that these submissions should somehow be barred from winning the slayer sword. I just prefer something that blows me away when I see it over something that looks "stock" but is perfectly executed. That's it.
I love that you leave the live comments in, the conspiracists going wild!
1:05:00 The human is a serial egg and bean eater. He is moments away from winning the dual.
Neil winning the sword is 100% correct in my opinion. It had far more variation than any other piece.
who's other opinion would it be?