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The yuuzhan vong War had nearly a hundred times more casualties than the horus heresy, despite the heresy lasting longer. The imperial civil war also had more casualties.
Oh come on, Iraq and Afghanistan fought back for 20 years. I think you give too little credit to the Tatooinies. If Ukraine is anything to go by, never underestimate the power of Heretics.
@@myduckisonqauck7227 the difference here is the Vong wouldn't even carve it's way through an imperial segmentum before being pushed back, Tyranids are way deadlier opponents
A crusade against it, Would be the result, I doubt the Galactic Republic would last a few years ,much like what was shown in this video ,except over all worlds in the star wars universe , even the Jedi and the sith combined would not even slow it down.
@TheGamesZilla492 It's a long shot, but SW has one crucial advantage over any Imperial force: mobility. Hyperspace is far faster AND more reliable than Warp travel could ever hope to be, with galaxy-crossing jumps only taking a few days at most. In addition, several canon factions in SW have their own unique hacks, most notably the Yuuhzon Vong able to spin up bioweapons that get pretty close to Tyranid levels of lethal, and at least a handful of AIs that could simply subsume entire Titan legions if they could be convinced to act outside their very narrow purview.
@@SarajevoKyoto considering this..suspect the war would last years,same outcome,other wildcard would be if technology was captured or acquired by ether side,or ether new allies made,ie tao striking up alliance with Republic etc,most of the factions from 40k likely be hostile but there a few that may,Tao tho likely have there own motives tho,would a desperate Republic agree ??dread to think what the result of Forces of 40k acquiring hyperspace tech would be....
@@TheGamesZilla492honestly, hyperspace technology is the imperium’s dream. Something faster AND safer than warp travel? The mechanicus would be ALL OVER that. As for the republic, I don’t know if they would really WANT anything that the imperium has. Most imperial technology is either completely ass backwards or is a less stable, more dangerous variation of technology that the republic already kind of has. Grav guns and las weaponry might be of interest, as well as teleportation tech, but I can’t think of anything else that the republic would really want.
Then again a squad of regular Guardsmen would exterminate regiments of clones so it would be more like "..uh, we're supposed to be expendable, but I guess not today"
Im picturing Rogal Dorn holding the Jedi General and explaining to them the importance of building fortifications and how their "Magic" is no match for durable imperium construction before finally crushing them.
@@chains2660 Surely. The long range, miniature plasma weapon with high rpm and high penetration capability, surely stands no chance against a ceramite plate that is dented and cratered by a lasgun with a smaller concentration shot.
Which I think is weird as hell: Blaster rifles are plasma weapons meaning that each clone is carrying and using what is considered to be a somewhat rare weapon in 40k.
@@CecilyThanador 40k plasma weapons are considered anti-tank weapons, Star Wars blasters cant even get close to the same level. Where does this idea that the two are at all comparable come from? Because I see it every single time and it never gets any more clever than “Plasma = Plasma, right?” Yeah, just like how .22 = .50bmg because bullet = bullet, right?
Star Wars: We have Space Wizards that have supernatural agility and can move things with their minds and the evil ones can even cast lighting! Space Marine Librarians: How cute.
@@starhammer5247 I feel like those two are the exception rather than the rule in terms of power. Compare them to someone like The Emperor or Mephiston, or perhaps to something like the Cacodominus and you’ll have a more accurate comparison of the power difference.
@@starhammer5247 I know, I’ve looked. A well trained force user could squeeze the eyes from your skull if he/she chose to. I’m a Star Wars fan as well as a 40k fan, and I will proudly tell a Sith to his face that I think he is ugly before I even LOCK EYES with a chaos sorcerer.
At first i was like, "A Jedi would beat an Astartes....but then i realised, no no, those guys regularly stomp pyskers. And lightsabers cant deflect real ammo, let alone a bolter round.
A jedi would stomp an unamed space marine, they don't need to deflect, they can dodge where the bolt will be a few moments from when it was aimed. Or hell even just catch and throw it back. In star wars according the wiki a Blaster Bolt moves at 2,217.356 m/s or Mach 6.516, and the jedi can sense/predict that and react before its even fired or as its being fired. Also space marines dont just stomp psykers, they are genuine threats and are not to be taken lightly. Named space marines don't count because lets all be honest, plot-armor and authoer favoratism and all that. The jedi do not have to take the same precautions to do the same manuevers your average psyker has to, they have the same if not more powerful feats without the risks.
@@erikonthefloor I mean, not even a librarian. Just a normal Astartes. Think about it. Force pull and push are dependent on strength right? That power armour weighs a lot. It's electrically grounded. So force lightning is out. Those dudes have two hearts and an insane blood oxygen level. They can fight in the vacuum of space for about half an hour without breathing so force choke is out. The lightsaber is a threat, but again, bolter rounds. And I'll be honest in a grander sense, Deathstar level world ending weapons. Those are uncommon, but not massively rare on Astartes ships.
@@ZuluVarriathose barriers take a lot of mental energy, and even more so if its being constantly exploded. It wouldn't keep them safe forever, let alone let them actually fight while maintaining that barrier
I can imagine those astartes remembering this battle like: they were great warriors, loyal, courageous. They were well prepared too... Some of the best mortal soldiers we had ever encountered, fighting as a team, as a brotherhood just like we do. Still they just couldn't rival the emperor's genius, as we were his creations, his angels of death. They could've been valuable allies. But their leaders had rejected the emperor's light and the imperial truths. Their misguided affection for xenos had made them tainted, and so a cleansing was needed. We had to show the wrath of the Emperor to those who betrayed their own kind. And their lives were the price they had to pay.
I wish the imperium would have wake up and realize not all aliens are bad. GW could still keep it a dark universe too with like the tau, imperium, elder, squats and blood axe Orks vs everybody else. I mean war hammer fantasy has alliances between in it and it's dark as hell!
@@Falcone45 With guilliman leading the imperium and him being a lot more progressive than the rest of the dogmatic imperium it's likely he'll start making alliances with craftworld aeldar and maybe even the tau.
@@jakubl8271I mean yeah it's unfair but also those marines have spent more time training than those clones have even been alive. that's the whole point of them. super armored, redundant organs, massive healing effects, tiny rockets for bullets. to be true to the setting they have to stomp mass produced clones.
Remember that time in Star Wars when the blood god was bathing in the blood of the collected suffering and flesh blending of hundreds of billions of souls over thousands of systems.
Ah yes, I believe that it was right before an entire clan of Bothan spies was lost uncovering a plot by Acolytes of the Plague God to use an old arsenal of Life Eater Virus Warheads against multiple city-planets.
There is a video about Thrawn speaking about the Imperium, and he mentions, that it takes like a hundred stormtrooper to take down just one space marine. Yeah 40k. is on an entirely different level when it comes to land warfare.
@akuladoctor7355 The video is for AFanWithTooMuchTime's ongoing Star Wars vs Warhammer 40,000 crossover. It is surprisingly well-written and balanced. It's about a 40k Imperium military force (drop in the bucket) in the 40k galaxy's flight from peril, an entire sector evacuates because a drukhari force manipulated an entire hivefleet tendril into attacking this densely populated Imperium Xek-Tek sector (author's homebrew) in order to take slaves in the ensuing chaos. There was an emergency mass warp jump into the Circatrix Maledictum. An anomaly swallowed the evacuation fleet and deposited them outside the star wars galaxy (mostly the expanded universe with bits of Canon thrown in) I love it. It's far better than anything that has come up for Star Wars since Disney acquired it.
I didn't know storm troopers were that effective. At that ratio entire chapters would be deleted. And since Star Wars actually has respectable space tech for their warships if you go by eu and their ships aren't networked which makes them impossible to hack, it's a fair fight.
@@NonlinearNumbers I think, that their weapon is more effective, than the Guardsman lasgun when it comes to armor. But to be fair the guardsman could delete all the space marines in 40k. as well. There are 36 million guardsman for each space marine, and the space marines are not that better, than the guardsman. I think in an all out galaxy vs galaxy war the Empire would win. Their space tech is not that bad, and their fleet is much greater than the Imperium's. And in a war between galactic foes the space is what really matters. Once one side lost it's fleet winning ground battles is only a matter of time. If nothing else, then take over all the agri worlds, and starve the rest.
@@akuladoctor7355 How would the empire handle a multi front war against nids, orks, tau, eldar, rebels, chaos, etc. ? Take out the Imperium you gotta take it's place in holding back the tide (Edited because spell check hates Eldar)
@@manscapedgrinch1427 Eldar, and Dark Eldar would probably win. As these can bypass space battles and go planetside right away. Orks is dependent on the start. Is it multiple waagh, or just one giant horde, or many tiny ones. The one giant would be contained on a planet, or blown up with the first planet they land on. The many tiny may, or may not cause problems. Dependent on how the Empire react to their presence, but if ignored, then they turn into many waaagh, and that is an issue. Chaos would also screw up the Empire as they can bypass space warfare. Tau are kinda newbies. If they come alone, and team up with the local rebels, then they can beat the Empire. I mean the rebels managed to do it on their own so with Tau help it becomes easier. In a direct warfare the Tau would lose badly. But if they can convince the Empire with taxes, that they are not a big threat, then they can win sneaky warfare. Same, if the Empire gets too busy fighting the rest. The Nids would eat the galaxy.
BS. Absolutely. A large caliber blaster shot should be capable of penetrating that kind of plate, and the dreadnaughts got on screen 6 rocket shots, and dozens of high caliber blaster shots, which are energy weaponry. While in lore the Dreadnaught get shanked to death by orcs, blown up by primitive explosives, and are shredded by Tau weaponry.
@@Kareszkoma Orks are known to be crazy strong and with the literal power of belief on their side, of course they’d have a chance to wreck a dreadnought.
I am person who grow up loving everything about star wars and yet even I know those clones are f... the moment Astartes stepped foot on the battlefield.
@@ChiefCrewin Its biased towards the star wars dudes. Just dipping a finger into 40k lore would show you that space marines would not slow down for this. Space marines do not go prone. They do not do prolonged firefights agains squishy infantery. The most likely place to find those marines after the first volley would be in melee 2 screens behind anything shown in this video.
@@Simon-iw5ts Clones would treat Space Marines as Target Practice. The DC-15 rifle can put a smoking hole in the head of a man at 15km, fun fact. Also fun fact: Blasters are Plasma Weapons and Space Marines often take heavy losses just fighting Tau, so imagine more numbers than the Tau with more determination that the guard with better Plasma Tech as well. Don't be biased.
@@zuriel6612 Comparing Tau to Clones is a bit far off. The Tau use heavy gundam suits and long range firepower support, they have stealth, lots of AI/drone systems and usually pick their fights due to a very mobile army. Clones are... just dudes. This is not about the firepower of a single rifle. Star Wars military doctrine just sucks when compared to 40k.
"We decided to leave the middle objective. The hordes of Wilhelm quickly seized on the bait, greedily lapping at it like starving mongrels. And, as predictable, he yelped the scream that only his kind can, when faced with his ensuing annihilation; in despair, weak, and pathetically betrayed by his " *_leaders_** ". Our brothers in the 3rd Company ravaged them from the opposing ridgeline, while they humorously tried to figure out the last confusing, dimwitted moments of their mortal existence before the righteous fury that would dutifully crush him with all the alacrity and decisiveness the Sons of Dorn are esteemed for. We will continue to purge the enemies of the Imperium!!"*
@@christophnewberry2429 Darth Vader casualy blocks blaster shots in Episode V from Han with his hand. And Yoda could lift an X Wing from the swamp in V aswell. In the Extended universe Starkiller could pull down a Star Destroyer from the Sky and Crush an AT-ST with the force alone.
@@DemonKnight94 star killer is not canon tho and im not even 100% sure if he even would be able to. All other of your points, you just cant compare those lasers with bolts being shot so hard they would probably take out any star wars tank.
Ngl ppl underestimate the power that blasters have, I mean the mass driver canon of the AT TE is literally a light speed railgun able to program its ammunition
There are dreadnaughts that fire black holes, the lasgun that is just a better blaster rifle, let’s not forget the lascannons that fire at the heat of a dying star, and most importantly the bolted that can not only fire different ammunition that can eat flesh, explode into fire, and burn away the thickest of armor, but it burrows deep then explodes. Even the guard can beat people with railguns it’s like the tau are barely a threat in 40k.
@@brandoncrabtree6632 I wouldn’t exactly call that a “win” in any sense other than that the tau weren’t exterminated. The Tyranids were rampaging through the segmentum, so the crusade was called back. Though the Tau THOUGHT they made the imperium retreat.
A perfect display of Humans not embracing the Imperium's rule during the Great Crisade, I think... Not even the Jedi would help stop the Imperium's advance.
It's not canon but it's speculated that the primarchs, the reflection of the emperor of mankind, are themselves min or warp deities. Sidious should compare to most if not all the primarchs, maybe Magnus might be too much for him.
@@lianchinlalguite7543 He's far less than people who channel space hell. Not to mention the extreme physical disparity of a Primarch being able to rip open a tank with their bare hands. The universes really aren't comparable. Warp users spend more of their energy trying to restrain the power flowing through them because the Warp will tear a hole in reality that factures time and spills literal demons in unending hordes.
🤣🤣I knew SW was in trouble soon as i saw 👀 not one …not two… but three fist dreadnoughts walking on the battle field 👏👏👏.. LETS GOOO!!!! This is gonna be epic
This is kind of interesting because it is raw power (40K) vs. reliability (star wars)... both have space wizards so that aspect cancels itself out on both sides
Seems like the clone AI isnt even shooting properly, its bombarding the open ground. All the clone units seem to be one-shotted by the space marines who probably have their damage values set too high. So battle was a foregone conclusion.
Agreed, when a single round is downing LAATs while entire battlegroups are pinging off a single dreadnought, I'm questioning the so-called "balance". Forget putting a thumb on the scales, dude stuck an elephant down
Space Marines very rarely miss when shooting at baseline humans. Clones are, at best, well trained baseline humans. Astartes start to have to think about their shots fighting other Astartes or Aeldari (both kinds)
This is unrealistic in one major way from the get go. They WAY Reduced the accuracy on the clone weapons. Hear me out, the tanks the clones are using the AA-AT is a longer range main gun with a much higher accuracy than portrayed here. And the troop carriers SHOULD be dropping troops off outside the firing range of the enemy or flying high and landing in flanking positions. This is just a war hammer fan stomping the clone army after their stats are nerfed to hell bellow their canonical average to begin with; against an army of Space Marines... SPACE MARINES! The one group of guys who don't ever need to face a nerfed anything.
@@IronGamingChannelI love how they can't handle facts. My favorite argument is the one Star Wars fans throw about the Galactic Republic. It has a population of 50 to 75 million worlds and 100 quadrillion people in it. Yeah... That's almost about Terra's population as it's in the quadrillions too. Seriously.
@@trupikzhabki бредетину несёшь милок. 100 миллиардами там и не пахнет. Как минимум потому, что их невозможно подсчитать и об этом на прямую написано. Ну и всего лишь пара сотен уровней земли на которых миллиарды жить легко могут.
4:13, that clone on the left side of the screen was sent almost directly to the Emperor himself. Unfortunately, something has happened during that process, so he bounced back to the battlefield.
And not just regular enemy lol. But enemy can éradicate you if you made à single mistake. Star wars is very very weak compare to the imperium of man ! The emperor protect! Brother
A lot of people forget that the ATTE shoots a plasma coated projectile... with a rail gun. And the LAAT Gunship and ATTE shoots the equal to a full lightening bolt out of each ball turret. Clones also use Plasma as a standard, which in most instances are considered light-anti vehicle to Warhammer. Clone Troopers have the advantage of pure child soldiers over the Astartes. However, the Astartes also have the advantage of way many more things in intensity of training, tougher, faster, and overall on an individual basis, quality.
You forget the armor is different the clones are in plastiod which isnt bullet proof or bolter proof. Second i think duresteel is the most comon armor. But all of those old walkers have exposed gunners and glass cockpits
Plasma in WH is a different beast from star wars blasters. Blasters poke holes and don't see to carry a lot of energy. They also don't seem to do very much damage to unarmored people. WH plasma not only explodes and spreads out, melting everything nearby, but also makes people completely pop when hit, even when armored. And you can overcharge it for a massive explosive shot. Basically handheld turbolasers
@Sight-Ashen It depends on how big the Falchion class Frigate actually is and how strong the void shields are and how big of a fighter complement the Falchion class has. The Venator was primarily a carrier. Also, the point I'm trying to make about the ATTE is that it's got a tau rail gun on it as an equivalent from their battlesuits, just bigger and more advanced than the Tau's. Anything unshielded is getting screwed by that gun
Imagine you are a person on coruscant just enjoying your day when you and everyone around you feel a sudden sense of absolute dread, none of you can explain it but jedi are screaming in agony. You look up to see an imperial star destroyer get eaten by a massive ship you have never seen before. The great devourer has arrived
Вообще очень странная тактика выбрана для атакующей стороны, особенно для космодесанта. По хорошему космодесант должен был пострянно продвигаться вперёд сближаясь с противником пологаясь на крепость своей брони. К тому-же армия клонов сходу понесла большие потери в технике от огня дредноутов и не могла нанести хоть сколько значительные потери космодесанту. До подхода основных сил армии клонов лесантники уже успели бы закрепиться в окопах со стороны клонов, но вместо этого они просто стояли и перестреливались издалека
Тоже самое со стороны клонов, когда лааты которые должны десант сбрасывать просто останавливались в небе и стреляли, а лёгкие разведовательные шагоходы просто бежали под имерские дредноуты. Ии в игре хрень просто
Клоны это аналог Воина огня Тау, но клоны это генно модифицированные люди с мощной бластерной винтовкой, обычных гвардейцев они уделают хоть на дальнем хоть в ближнем бою, броню космодесов тауцы пробивали бещ проблем из своих импульсных пушек, а тут мало того что пережили буквально тысчи попадали из бластерных винтовок так еще и плазму из танковой пушки не почувствовал. В симуляторе через чур возвышают WH40K
Да тут в принципе армия клонов занулена. Если ТАУ умудряются со схожими технологиями наваливать астартес, что мешает сделать это клонам? На практике клоны при столкновении в лоб не бы победили, но потери среди астартес были бы ощутимыми
@@antonivanov4263 у Клонов идентичные вооружения как у Тауцев, но при этом клоны генетичесские модифицированные люди, у них реакция и моральное состояние лучше чем у обычного человека, да и в ближнем бою они уделают обычных гвардейцев. Клоны в основном воюют против дроидов, их плазмы расчитаны на пробитие толстой брони. Клонов обучали мандалорцы, умелые воины, у них тактика намного продвинутее чем у Империума с стратегией из ПМВ.
I actually think this battle was a bit too one sided. Lemme explain my reasoning We have to remember that the Imperium has been in a perpetual dark age for the last ten thousand years, one only somewhat lifted by the return of Guilliman. Their tech is advanced, yes, but also very antiquated in many regards. They don't even understand how half of it works. The Star Wars galaxy, however, has a very good handle on all of their technology, and have honed in over thousands of years. Where I'm going with this is that the Republic would keenly understand the limitations of their tech, and where they're stronger. Assuming the Imperium still has to use the Warp to travel, that would give the Republic a MASSIVE advantage, as they could reliably and quickly cover distances the Imperium might not be able to. Not to mention how inflexible the Imperium often is in their tactics. The Republic could easily recognize this, and change tactics to exploit their blind spots. Alongside that, I'm confident in saying the total population of the Republic is probably at least comparable to that of the Imperium, seeing as it's comprised, of hundreds, probably thousands of world and species. The Imperium, however, does probably still have an attrition advantage, since it's entire economy is built around war. They also have a massive advantage with the Astartes. They'd be very hard to deal with, as augmentations like that rarely occur in Star Wars. But I do think there's a counter: Jedi. Jedi are stated to be superhuman in their physical capabilities, and Power Armor is unlikely to protect from a lightsaber. That's not even mentioning the Force, though I'm unsure if Space Marines would be prepared to deal with it, since it is very similar but also very different from the Warp. In conclusion, I don't think it would be a squash match for either side. They both have very clear strengths and weaknesses, and it would honestly be down to the commanders to determine who would win.
According to Wookiepedia, there are roughly 3.3 million troopers in the Grand Army of the Republic. That is but a piece of dust compared to the “countless billions” (warhammer wiki) of the Astra Militarum. That is not counting the local planetary defence forces on either side, or the Astartes on the Imperium’s. Even though the Galactic Republic might prove evasive and difficult to contain in the early stages of an all-out war (looking at your arguments) they will inevitably get crushed by the sheer size of the Imperium’s army.
A Space Marine is also superhumanly fast. A standard Tactical/Intercessor squad *might* have issues with Force powers, but a Librarian would fare better. Would be interesting to see how a Librarian deals with the Force...both rely on mental fortitude and strength of will
@@MilkMDN Good point on the Librarians! The question is: is the Force and the Warp the same, or similar, separate sources of power? Jedi have the advantage in that they can use their full power without...ya know, literally summoning a demon.
Why aren’t I hitting anything. Sniper: you are hitting them. Space marine tanking a couple hundred blaster rounds: so this it where they’ve gone. Honestly they shouldn’t be worthy of our attention.
Yea dreadnoughts aren’t THAT strong. Multiple shots with a High explosive Shot like the ATTEs canon definitely would’ve dropped them, plus then one shotting gunships? Little too OP
@@andrewvalentine6977 If there are Baneblades, then it is only fair for the Empire to have it's own vehicles, and i don't think in numbers, but for same resource cost. Though i am not sure which one would be the best, because the AT-AT is partly a troop transport, and the Baneblade is all about being a tank.
@snakeeyes6892 think the baneblade stomps any vehicle in the star wars universe. Just a guess but I think about 20 AT-ATs or equivalent is equal to 1 baneblade which was why I said a fight could equal as long as the numbers are similar and there aren't any baneblades.
@@The_Dark_Sparta Depends on the gun. SW does seem to have forgotten how to make proper turrets though. so either their gunners are exposed or the guns are fixed forward.
@@Mythantor Isn't that mostly just the AT-TE and LAAT though? I also am struggling to think of guns that are fixed forward in Star Wars but maybe that's just me
These comments are literally that one person you know that has to one up every insignificant thing you mention "Dude I was so hungry this morning I had 3 bowls of cereal for breakfast" "Thats crazy cause I had six and im still hungry"
Well for starters, Space Marines wouldn't be able to tank a Star Wars blaster. It literally turns your insides to molten liquid. But hey, gotta let the War Hammer fan boys win or else their sweat encrusted bodies might develop another rash.
If so then why has nobodys inside turned to molten liquid in any of the movies, beskar literally bounces light sabers and blaster fire😂 what is this cope
@@minnievsx3977 Beskar armor wasn't a thing until Mando came out and it was extremely, and I mean extremely rare to come across and the only reason Mando came across it was because the Empire had scavenged the galaxy for it. Also last I checked, War Hammer Space Marines don't use Beskar armor they use Ceramite metal which is and I quote "a pretty mundane metal", so idk why you think bringing up Beskar metal would somehow diminish the threat an actual star wars blaster poses. The mere fact there is like 2 metals at most in the SW galaxy that can tank a blaster kinda proves how deadly they are 😂
@@godofhate4167 ceramite is extremely effective against energy based weapons because it conducts almost no heat, i only bring up beskar because u describe blaster shots more favourably than how they are showcased
This isn't even a main assault force for the space marines, this is like some kind of advanced scouting party. Also the Space Marines would have been MUCH MORE ACCURATE as they were entrenched, they do not get suppressed, they know no fear for they are what YOU fear. I would also like to point out that Grav-Cannon would have single handedly wrecked those walkers, if you read up on how they work its terrifying, the heavier the armor the more damage it does as it collapses the armor in around you by increasing the mass via gravity manipulation, effectively it creates a micro-singularity event inside the target and crushes it from within on itself.
Clone Trooper armor, and most armor in Star Wars, is designed to specifically defeat energy weapons and the elements. And the effectiveness against laser weapons is minimal at best. Meanwhile KINETIC protection is non-existant. The armor is rigid and fragile when faced with concussive force. So, bolt guns.
Playing what? A board game? It's just a balance. In the official lore, the space marines have completely different characteristics. Read the official Gamew Workshop lore. In a new game (Space Marine 2, it's 100% canon) 3 space marines are enough for killing entire armies. And I'm talking not about Titus and his veterans. I'm talking about regular SMs from PVE operations.
@@IronGamingChannel😂😂😂😂 3 космодесантника против целых армий? Это когда на тебя больше 2 крепких противников за раз не нападают? И если космодесант так хорош, то почему группу караула смерти кроме лейтенанта так легко вынесли?
Anyone who actually thinks Warhammer would clean Star Wars has literally no knowledge about Star Wars. First fun fact: Blasters are Plasma weapons. Clones are more determined than the Imperial Guard, with just as many numbers, with war gear that would make the Tau quiver. If a single Tau Fire warrior can leave a smoking hole in the face of a Space Marine and drop him, so too can the average Clone fresh off Kamino. Warhammer would bleed profusely in a war against the Republic's clone army. Plus, the Republic can actually focus and fund a war, where the Imperium needs to go through a bunch of Bureaucratic bullshit to get a shipment of ammo that takes months to even maybe decades to reach the warzone. I love Warhammer, but I'm not stupid, Warhammer would have a VERY rough fight.
You ever think about the fact that when people compare Warhammer to another universe, everyone uses Space Marines? Like it would be more likely that the clones would be fighting guard
Who will win? Centuries old marines that have been fighting for over a thousand years or clones bred for war that have shortened life spans, with most having only seen combat in simulations before. Like a fight between a battle hardened veteran and a crayon chewing recruit
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This is always so 40k bias
@naoway336 you must not know much about the lore then
@@BlaineMcferrin Nah you guys just ignore any part of the 40k lore that doesn't make you correct.
@@naoway336 cry more star wars soy boy
@@BlaineMcferrin Sorry, can't hear you over all the wh fan bois crying constantly, what are they in arms about today? Nipples or something?
This isn't even fair. The worst day in the Star Wars extended universe would be like an average Tuesday in the Warhammer 40k verse.
True
The yuuzhan vong War had nearly a hundred times more casualties than the horus heresy, despite the heresy lasting longer. The imperial civil war also had more casualties.
Oh come on, Iraq and Afghanistan fought back for 20 years. I think you give too little credit to the Tatooinies. If Ukraine is anything to go by, never underestimate the power of Heretics.
@@myduckisonqauck7227 and?
@@myduckisonqauck7227 the difference here is the Vong wouldn't even carve it's way through an imperial segmentum before being pushed back, Tyranids are way deadlier opponents
Execute order 66
Stormtrooper hesitates looking at youngling...
Space Marine: first time?
Clone*
The Salamanders after realizing the preschool has Aeldari children:
@@Mondays_Coffee drukhari
That only happened after disney's retcon. Before clones were pretty much Krieg 3.5 on Ultra Space Steroids.
Made my day xD
The Imperium would be so, so mad if they learned about the Galactic Republic and their xenophile Senate.
A crusade against it, Would be the result, I doubt the Galactic Republic would last a few years ,much like what was shown in this video ,except over all worlds in the star wars universe , even the Jedi and the sith combined would not even slow it down.
Wait until the inquisition discovers the temple of unsanctioned psychers on Coruscant.
@TheGamesZilla492 It's a long shot, but SW has one crucial advantage over any Imperial force: mobility. Hyperspace is far faster AND more reliable than Warp travel could ever hope to be, with galaxy-crossing jumps only taking a few days at most.
In addition, several canon factions in SW have their own unique hacks, most notably the Yuuhzon Vong able to spin up bioweapons that get pretty close to Tyranid levels of lethal, and at least a handful of AIs that could simply subsume entire Titan legions if they could be convinced to act outside their very narrow purview.
@@SarajevoKyoto considering this..suspect the war would last years,same outcome,other wildcard would be if technology was captured or acquired by ether side,or ether new allies made,ie tao striking up alliance with Republic etc,most of the factions from 40k likely be hostile but there a few that may,Tao tho likely have there own motives tho,would a desperate Republic agree ??dread to think what the result of Forces of 40k acquiring hyperspace tech would be....
@@TheGamesZilla492honestly, hyperspace technology is the imperium’s dream.
Something faster AND safer than warp travel? The mechanicus would be ALL OVER that.
As for the republic, I don’t know if they would really WANT anything that the imperium has. Most imperial technology is either completely ass backwards or is a less stable, more dangerous variation of technology that the republic already kind of has. Grav guns and las weaponry might be of interest, as well as teleportation tech, but I can’t think of anything else that the republic would really want.
A single dreadnought has lived longer than all the clones in this video combined.
Shit, many space marines have.
@@uncomfysapphic8415 I think Dante of the blood angels is the oldest space marine and Bjorn should be the oldest dreadnought.
He walk during the When he On Terra Walked among us.@@Gnomewhtimsayin
A single dreadnought could not be replaced as quickly as every single clone casualty in this video, including tanks
I love this, it really feels like a pre-heresy era compliance action against a newly rediscovered world.
Oh, so that's why there was a baneblade there, it's before the second founding and all the associated bullsh*t.
Reminds me of the fake imperium in Horus Rising
@@Black-Re4per Except fake emperor wears black and not purple :)
@@Self-replicating_whatnot I don't mean Horus.
But it was in the first book Horus Rising.
@@Black-Re4per So too did i, and it appears i have better memory than you.
Clones: We are mean to be expendable...
Plo koon: Not to me!
Imperial guard: We are mean to be expendable...
Average Space Marine: Yes.
Then again a squad of regular Guardsmen would exterminate regiments of clones so it would be more like "..uh, we're supposed to be expendable, but I guess not today"
*LAAT flies in*
Space Marines: '...So I started blasting!
That's fair. The LAAT was kind of a paper plane.
Im picturing Rogal Dorn holding the Jedi General and explaining to them the importance of building fortifications and how their "Magic" is no match for durable imperium construction before finally crushing them.
You mean bore him to death 😂
Assuming my planetary ion cannons haven't reduced his entire fleet to an extremely fortified space hulk
For the record statistically everything in 40k is better than star wars.
In terms of logistics though 40k is a joke.
Damn...That entire clone trooper army really didn't stand a chance against that tiny imperial fist scouting party.
I mean, to be fair, that wasn't a scouting party - it was like half a company.
How could they?
Their pathetic laser weapons cannot stand against the might of the bolt gun and the finest warriors of the emperor.
That's because it was super biased.
@@chains2660 Surely. The long range, miniature plasma weapon with high rpm and high penetration capability, surely stands no chance against a ceramite plate that is dented and cratered by a lasgun with a smaller concentration shot.
It's really a sight to watch hundreds of blaster bolts ping off the Astartes armor while the clones are gibbed by a single bolter round.
Which I think is weird as hell: Blaster rifles are plasma weapons meaning that each clone is carrying and using what is considered to be a somewhat rare weapon in 40k.
@@CecilyThanador but their plasma doesn't "Gets Hot" 😂🤣
@@CecilyThanador 40k plasma weapons are considered anti-tank weapons, Star Wars blasters cant even get close to the same level.
Where does this idea that the two are at all comparable come from? Because I see it every single time and it never gets any more clever than “Plasma = Plasma, right?”
Yeah, just like how .22 = .50bmg because bullet = bullet, right?
@@Barterylane
Plasma weapon small arms are most certainly not suitable against heavier 40k vehicles.
Guardsman: FOR THE EMPEROR!
Stormtrooper: FOR THE EMPEROR!
Both in unison: Wait what?
I was there the day Rogal Dorn killed the emperor.
You can thank Dune for that
Sand swallows up both armies*
Freman: “Lisan Al Gaib!!!”
“I was there the day Horus slew the Emperor”
It wouldn't be " for the empire"?
Star Wars: We have Space Wizards that have supernatural agility and can move things with their minds and the evil ones can even cast lighting!
Space Marine Librarians: How cute.
In legends, Luke makes the Emperor look like a bitch and Palpatine created his own Warp Storm.
I mean, there was this one sith that was able to kill an entire planet with the force
@@starhammer5247 I feel like those two are the exception rather than the rule in terms of power. Compare them to someone like The Emperor or Mephiston, or perhaps to something like the Cacodominus and you’ll have a more accurate comparison of the power difference.
@@Barterylane Jedi and Sith in Legends are downright terrifying when you look at things closer.
@@starhammer5247 I know, I’ve looked.
A well trained force user could squeeze the eyes from your skull if he/she chose to.
I’m a Star Wars fan as well as a 40k fan, and I will proudly tell a Sith to his face that I think he is ugly before I even LOCK EYES with a chaos sorcerer.
The marine with the grav cannon must be having the time of his life.
He singlehandedly was running the battle. Do grav cannons even have that kinda range in the lore??
And what was that heavy weapon that looked like a multi melts but shot green gatling lasers in a hose all across the map?
@@philipsmith8644I think that was a necron gun
@@philipsmith8644 that's the aforementioned grav cannon lol. Space Marine devastators and centurions have em
At first i was like, "A Jedi would beat an Astartes....but then i realised, no no, those guys regularly stomp pyskers. And lightsabers cant deflect real ammo, let alone a bolter round.
A jedi would stomp an unamed space marine, they don't need to deflect, they can dodge where the bolt will be a few moments from when it was aimed. Or hell even just catch and throw it back. In star wars according the wiki a Blaster Bolt moves at 2,217.356 m/s or Mach 6.516, and the jedi can sense/predict that and react before its even fired or as its being fired. Also space marines dont just stomp psykers, they are genuine threats and are not to be taken lightly. Named space marines don't count because lets all be honest, plot-armor and authoer favoratism and all that.
The jedi do not have to take the same precautions to do the same manuevers your average psyker has to, they have the same if not more powerful feats without the risks.
Death Battle did an episode of Darth Vader vs Astartes Librarian. Vader won, but it was close, and the Librarian was unnamed.
@@erikonthefloor I mean, not even a librarian. Just a normal Astartes.
Think about it. Force pull and push are dependent on strength right? That power armour weighs a lot. It's electrically grounded. So force lightning is out. Those dudes have two hearts and an insane blood oxygen level. They can fight in the vacuum of space for about half an hour without breathing so force choke is out.
The lightsaber is a threat, but again, bolter rounds.
And I'll be honest in a grander sense, Deathstar level world ending weapons. Those are uncommon, but not massively rare on Astartes ships.
If I'm not mistaken, bullets won't be able to hurt force user because of the force field around them that redirects projectiles
@@ZuluVarriathose barriers take a lot of mental energy, and even more so if its being constantly exploded. It wouldn't keep them safe forever, let alone let them actually fight while maintaining that barrier
I can imagine those astartes remembering this battle like: they were great warriors, loyal, courageous. They were well prepared too... Some of the best mortal soldiers we had ever encountered, fighting as a team, as a brotherhood just like we do. Still they just couldn't rival the emperor's genius, as we were his creations, his angels of death. They could've been valuable allies. But their leaders had rejected the emperor's light and the imperial truths. Their misguided affection for xenos had made them tainted, and so a cleansing was needed. We had to show the wrath of the Emperor to those who betrayed their own kind. And their lives were the price they had to pay.
They would probably preserve the clones gene seed to cleanse it of xeno influence via generational retribution.
literaly interex empire
Lmao you compliment them too much when Star War is just shit
I wish the imperium would have wake up and realize not all aliens are bad. GW could still keep it a dark universe too with like the tau, imperium, elder, squats and blood axe Orks vs everybody else. I mean war hammer fantasy has alliances between in it and it's dark as hell!
@@Falcone45 With guilliman leading the imperium and him being a lot more progressive than the rest of the dogmatic imperium it's likely he'll start making alliances with craftworld aeldar and maybe even the tau.
The fact that there are so few units needed to fight the Clone Army speaks absolute volumes of how outmatched they are.
Or SM are simply imbalanced.
@jakubl8271 yes they are OP compared to most other brands of space soldier.
Space marines are pretty much as good as you could possibly get in terms of sci-fi soldiers, so I’d expect nothing less.
@@Barterylane yep,One Primaris marine would kill a whole regiment and more of clones with ease whilst shrugging off fire power
@@jakubl8271I mean yeah it's unfair but also those marines have spent more time training than those clones have even been alive. that's the whole point of them. super armored, redundant organs, massive healing effects, tiny rockets for bullets. to be true to the setting they have to stomp mass produced clones.
Dreadnoughts marching into the battlefield goes hard
And they’re going slow too 😂
Even in death, i still brrt and whoosh-kaboom.
That Ancients Assault Force in 5th edition Apocalypse was merciless 😂🤣
Remember that time in Star Wars when the blood god was bathing in the blood of the collected suffering and flesh blending of hundreds of billions of souls over thousands of systems.
Ah yes, I believe that it was right before an entire clan of Bothan spies was lost uncovering a plot by Acolytes of the Plague God to use an old arsenal of Life Eater Virus Warheads against multiple city-planets.
There is a video about Thrawn speaking about the Imperium, and he mentions, that it takes like a hundred stormtrooper to take down just one space marine. Yeah 40k. is on an entirely different level when it comes to land warfare.
@akuladoctor7355
The video is for AFanWithTooMuchTime's ongoing Star Wars vs Warhammer 40,000 crossover. It is surprisingly well-written and balanced. It's about a 40k Imperium military force (drop in the bucket) in the 40k galaxy's flight from peril, an entire sector evacuates because a drukhari force manipulated an entire hivefleet tendril into attacking this densely populated Imperium Xek-Tek sector (author's homebrew) in order to take slaves in the ensuing chaos. There was an emergency mass warp jump into the Circatrix Maledictum. An anomaly swallowed the evacuation fleet and deposited them outside the star wars galaxy (mostly the expanded universe with bits of Canon thrown in) I love it. It's far better than anything that has come up for Star Wars since Disney acquired it.
I didn't know storm troopers were that effective. At that ratio entire chapters would be deleted. And since Star Wars actually has respectable space tech for their warships if you go by eu and their ships aren't networked which makes them impossible to hack, it's a fair fight.
@@NonlinearNumbers I think, that their weapon is more effective, than the Guardsman lasgun when it comes to armor. But to be fair the guardsman could delete all the space marines in 40k. as well. There are 36 million guardsman for each space marine, and the space marines are not that better, than the guardsman.
I think in an all out galaxy vs galaxy war the Empire would win. Their space tech is not that bad, and their fleet is much greater than the Imperium's. And in a war between galactic foes the space is what really matters. Once one side lost it's fleet winning ground battles is only a matter of time. If nothing else, then take over all the agri worlds, and starve the rest.
@@akuladoctor7355 How would the empire handle a multi front war against nids, orks, tau, eldar, rebels, chaos, etc. ?
Take out the Imperium you gotta take it's place in holding back the tide
(Edited because spell check hates Eldar)
@@manscapedgrinch1427 Eldar, and Dark Eldar would probably win. As these can bypass space battles and go planetside right away.
Orks is dependent on the start. Is it multiple waagh, or just one giant horde, or many tiny ones. The one giant would be contained on a planet, or blown up with the first planet they land on. The many tiny may, or may not cause problems. Dependent on how the Empire react to their presence, but if ignored, then they turn into many waaagh, and that is an issue.
Chaos would also screw up the Empire as they can bypass space warfare.
Tau are kinda newbies. If they come alone, and team up with the local rebels, then they can beat the Empire. I mean the rebels managed to do it on their own so with Tau help it becomes easier. In a direct warfare the Tau would lose badly. But if they can convince the Empire with taxes, that they are not a big threat, then they can win sneaky warfare. Same, if the Empire gets too busy fighting the rest.
The Nids would eat the galaxy.
A single dreadnaught alone would wreck a good chunk of the clone army. Sending in a Fellblade tank is just straight flexin' and overkill.
Один венатор и нет всей орды
BS. Absolutely. A large caliber blaster shot should be capable of penetrating that kind of plate, and the dreadnaughts got on screen 6 rocket shots, and dozens of high caliber blaster shots, which are energy weaponry.
While in lore the Dreadnaught get shanked to death by orcs, blown up by primitive explosives, and are shredded by Tau weaponry.
@@Kareszkoma Orks are known to be crazy strong and with the literal power of belief on their side, of course they’d have a chance to wreck a dreadnought.
@@Kareszkomayou mean the orks that use power armour and the ability of believe that allows them to grow as tall as a building?
@@Epsilon-5 No. They use benzin mate. It works.
5:50 MY EYES!!!
SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK!
EYES FOR THE EYE GOD
I am person who grow up loving everything about star wars and yet even I know those clones are f... the moment Astartes stepped foot on the battlefield.
Nah this is just massively biased.
@@ChiefCrewin Its biased towards the star wars dudes.
Just dipping a finger into 40k lore would show you that space marines would not slow down for this.
Space marines do not go prone. They do not do prolonged firefights agains squishy infantery.
The most likely place to find those marines after the first volley would be in melee 2 screens behind anything shown in this video.
@@Simon-iw5ts Clones would treat Space Marines as Target Practice.
The DC-15 rifle can put a smoking hole in the head of a man at 15km, fun fact.
Also fun fact: Blasters are Plasma Weapons and Space Marines often take heavy losses just fighting Tau, so imagine more numbers than the Tau with more determination that the guard with better Plasma Tech as well.
Don't be biased.
@@zuriel6612 Comparing Tau to Clones is a bit far off. The Tau use heavy gundam suits and long range firepower support, they have stealth, lots of AI/drone systems and usually pick their fights due to a very mobile army.
Clones are... just dudes.
This is not about the firepower of a single rifle. Star Wars military doctrine just sucks when compared to 40k.
@@Simon-iw5ts "Clones are just dudes." tells me you've no knowledge about what the clones are actually capable of.
This doesn't look like the Imperial Fists at all, they should have immediately started building a planetary fortress and fired from there😂😂😂
@@MaleKat203 FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY FORTIFY
"We decided to leave the middle objective. The hordes of Wilhelm quickly seized on the bait, greedily lapping at it like starving mongrels. And, as predictable, he yelped the scream that only his kind can, when faced with his ensuing annihilation; in despair, weak, and pathetically betrayed by his " *_leaders_** ". Our brothers in the 3rd Company ravaged them from the opposing ridgeline, while they humorously tried to figure out the last confusing, dimwitted moments of their mortal existence before the righteous fury that would dutifully crush him with all the alacrity and decisiveness the Sons of Dorn are esteemed for. We will continue to purge the enemies of the Imperium!!"*
“Your power sword will make a fine addition to my collection.” - Daemon Primarch Grievous
Khorne Grievous would be so cool
imagine a jedi trying to casually deflect bolt ammo xD
"Parry this, you fucking casual." - Imperial Fist Space Marine
If the Jedi is strong enough, he can block/Deflect the bullets with the force.
@@DemonKnight94 so i guess his force would have to be so strong he could put holes in a tank?
@@christophnewberry2429 Darth Vader casualy blocks blaster shots in Episode V from Han with his hand. And Yoda could lift an X Wing from the swamp in V aswell. In the Extended universe Starkiller could pull down a Star Destroyer from the Sky and Crush an AT-ST with the force alone.
@@DemonKnight94 star killer is not canon tho and im not even 100% sure if he even would be able to. All other of your points, you just cant compare those lasers with bolts being shot so hard they would probably take out any star wars tank.
Ngl ppl underestimate the power that blasters have, I mean the mass driver canon of the AT TE is literally a light speed railgun able to program its ammunition
There are dreadnaughts that fire black holes, the lasgun that is just a better blaster rifle, let’s not forget the lascannons that fire at the heat of a dying star, and most importantly the bolted that can not only fire different ammunition that can eat flesh, explode into fire, and burn away the thickest of armor, but it burrows deep then explodes. Even the guard can beat people with railguns it’s like the tau are barely a threat in 40k.
Doesn't mean a marine could face tank mass driver round. Didn't the tau defeat the Imperium?@@thekodawolfgaming
@@brandoncrabtree6632 the tau wins?
@@thekodawolfgaming Gulf Crusade
@@brandoncrabtree6632 I wouldn’t exactly call that a “win” in any sense other than that the tau weren’t exterminated.
The Tyranids were rampaging through the segmentum, so the crusade was called back. Though the Tau THOUGHT they made the imperium retreat.
Marine: Your Emperor is false and your armor weak.
To be fair no non psyker or named astartes could mess with Palpatine... The Sigilite however, would liquify him.
Cloned trooper indoctrinated since birth: lol, lmao
I'm more impressed that the stats are lore accurate when pitted against each other than anything else.
They aren't. One Terminator in that mod could kill chapters of marines with bolt guns.
Dude ever since the recent starwars media I have just gotten tired of it. Warhammer is officially better
A perfect display of Humans not embracing the Imperium's rule during the Great Crisade, I think... Not even the Jedi would help stop the Imperium's advance.
ironically Palpatine might since the new trilogy buffed his force lightning enough he can zap entire fleets at once...that was just broken
@zacriewright5258 Compared to the power of the warp his power is still nothing.
@calexander7495 In the EU he gets some truly crazy buffs, essentially becoming a minor Force deity himself.
It's not canon but it's speculated that the primarchs, the reflection of the emperor of mankind, are themselves min or warp deities. Sidious should compare to most if not all the primarchs, maybe Magnus might be too much for him.
@@lianchinlalguite7543 He's far less than people who channel space hell. Not to mention the extreme physical disparity of a Primarch being able to rip open a tank with their bare hands. The universes really aren't comparable. Warp users spend more of their energy trying to restrain the power flowing through them because the Warp will tear a hole in reality that factures time and spills literal demons in unending hordes.
This was cool. Though the ai for the clones seemed gimped. Like why were all the vehicles stuck in a clump when the Fists were spread out?
It’s a strategy, they all could fire their main weapon but sinse they can’t hide much, they use each other as protection to have the damage dispatched
@@orctrihar dont overthink it, its just a bad ai
What going ? XD 4:12
Like bro ascended by the overwhelming power he got hit by ?? XD
Daemonic possession. Or at least it was until the Daemon decided, 'not worth it'.
Thats the ffect of the gravity gun that green weapon that a space marine use, is a weapon that manipulates gravity fields
@@MISTERTR-rh9mg
Nice
🤣🤣I knew SW was in trouble soon as i saw 👀 not one …not two… but three fist dreadnoughts walking on the battle field 👏👏👏.. LETS GOOO!!!! This is gonna be epic
:D
The main problem here is clone troopers clone armies aren't equipped to deal with more than one demigod at a time. And these ones are wearing tanks.
Space Marines aren't cursing at the heretics enough.
I see they still haven't fixed that bug yet.
Why am I always disappointed when I see people leaving good firing positions?
Cuz you don't conquer a planet by just firing in one position.
Because you have a good tactical mind.
I wanna see Chaos vs Gungans
1:59 was brutal
A good warm up exercise for the angels of death.
Can you imagine what would the Stormtroopers reaction if the Space Marines summoned a Titan? It would be like the Tau situation all over again. 😂
So what is the name of that leader? Darth Sidious? Cool...
What is his position? ....Emperor?
HOW DARE YOU
I was there the day the Fists slew The Emperor.
This is kind of interesting because it is raw power (40K) vs. reliability (star wars)... both have space wizards so that aspect cancels itself out on both sides
The dreadnoughts slowly advancing across the battlefield while artillery and blaster fire do absolutely nothing to them is just peak
Seems like the clone AI isnt even shooting properly, its bombarding the open ground. All the clone units seem to be one-shotted by the space marines who probably have their damage values set too high. So battle was a foregone conclusion.
Agreed, when a single round is downing LAATs while entire battlegroups are pinging off a single dreadnought, I'm questioning the so-called "balance". Forget putting a thumb on the scales, dude stuck an elephant down
Space Marines very rarely miss when shooting at baseline humans. Clones are, at best, well trained baseline humans. Astartes start to have to think about their shots fighting other Astartes or Aeldari (both kinds)
Normally I don't really go for the cross-overs, but this one was quite well executed. Nice work.
Thanks
I'd take a squad of space Marines against an entire clone army
Tbh the death korp of krieg and the clones would make an insane duo
This is unrealistic in one major way from the get go. They WAY Reduced the accuracy on the clone weapons. Hear me out, the tanks the clones are using the AA-AT is a longer range main gun with a much higher accuracy than portrayed here. And the troop carriers SHOULD be dropping troops off outside the firing range of the enemy or flying high and landing in flanking positions.
This is just a war hammer fan stomping the clone army after their stats are nerfed to hell bellow their canonical average to begin with; against an army of Space Marines... SPACE MARINES! The one group of guys who don't ever need to face a nerfed anything.
xD
@@IronGamingChannelI love how they can't handle facts.
My favorite argument is the one Star Wars fans throw about the Galactic Republic. It has a population of 50 to 75 million worlds and 100 quadrillion people in it. Yeah... That's almost about Terra's population as it's in the quadrillions too. Seriously.
@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 население Терры это 100+ миллиардов, на Корусанте 200+ как ты этот бред вообще придумал?
@@trupikzhabki бредетину несёшь милок. 100 миллиардами там и не пахнет. Как минимум потому, что их невозможно подсчитать и об этом на прямую написано. Ну и всего лишь пара сотен уровней земли на которых миллиарды жить легко могут.
Awww SW fans getting mad because their boring ass franchise ain't shit 😂
4:13, that clone on the left side of the screen was sent almost directly to the Emperor himself. Unfortunately, something has happened during that process, so he bounced back to the battlefield.
Can you imagine how happy the Imperium of Man would be if they only had to fight ONE enemy instead of 6?
:D
And not just regular enemy lol.
But enemy can éradicate you if you made à single mistake.
Star wars is very very weak compare to the imperium of man !
The emperor protect! Brother
It's so cute when they compare two different universes without even looking at the numbers in the reference books.
A lot of people forget that the ATTE shoots a plasma coated projectile... with a rail gun.
And the LAAT Gunship and ATTE shoots the equal to a full lightening bolt out of each ball turret. Clones also use Plasma as a standard, which in most instances are considered light-anti vehicle to Warhammer.
Clone Troopers have the advantage of pure child soldiers over the Astartes. However, the Astartes also have the advantage of way many more things in intensity of training, tougher, faster, and overall on an individual basis, quality.
You forget the armor is different the clones are in plastiod which isnt bullet proof or bolter proof. Second i think duresteel is the most comon armor. But all of those old walkers have exposed gunners and glass cockpits
Meh
Plasma in WH is a different beast from star wars blasters. Blasters poke holes and don't see to carry a lot of energy. They also don't seem to do very much damage to unarmored people. WH plasma not only explodes and spreads out, melting everything nearby, but also makes people completely pop when hit, even when armored. And you can overcharge it for a massive explosive shot. Basically handheld turbolasers
the falcion alone could prob defeat a ventator
@Sight-Ashen It depends on how big the Falchion class Frigate actually is and how strong the void shields are and how big of a fighter complement the Falchion class has. The Venator was primarily a carrier.
Also, the point I'm trying to make about the ATTE is that it's got a tau rail gun on it as an equivalent from their battlesuits, just bigger and more advanced than the Tau's. Anything unshielded is getting screwed by that gun
Imagine you are a person on coruscant just enjoying your day when you and everyone around you feel a sudden sense of absolute dread, none of you can explain it but jedi are screaming in agony. You look up to see an imperial star destroyer get eaten by a massive ship you have never seen before. The great devourer has arrived
Вообще очень странная тактика выбрана для атакующей стороны, особенно для космодесанта. По хорошему космодесант должен был пострянно продвигаться вперёд сближаясь с противником пологаясь на крепость своей брони. К тому-же армия клонов сходу понесла большие потери в технике от огня дредноутов и не могла нанести хоть сколько значительные потери космодесанту. До подхода основных сил армии клонов лесантники уже успели бы закрепиться в окопах со стороны клонов, но вместо этого они просто стояли и перестреливались издалека
Тоже самое со стороны клонов, когда лааты которые должны десант сбрасывать просто останавливались в небе и стреляли, а лёгкие разведовательные шагоходы просто бежали под имерские дредноуты. Ии в игре хрень просто
Скорее всего просто игровая условность.
Клоны это аналог Воина огня Тау, но клоны это генно модифицированные люди с мощной бластерной винтовкой, обычных гвардейцев они уделают хоть на дальнем хоть в ближнем бою, броню космодесов тауцы пробивали бещ проблем из своих импульсных пушек, а тут мало того что пережили буквально тысчи попадали из бластерных винтовок так еще и плазму из танковой пушки не почувствовал.
В симуляторе через чур возвышают WH40K
Да тут в принципе армия клонов занулена. Если ТАУ умудряются со схожими технологиями наваливать астартес, что мешает сделать это клонам? На практике клоны при столкновении в лоб не бы победили, но потери среди астартес были бы ощутимыми
@@antonivanov4263 у Клонов идентичные вооружения как у Тауцев, но при этом клоны генетичесские модифицированные люди, у них реакция и моральное состояние лучше чем у обычного человека, да и в ближнем бою они уделают обычных гвардейцев.
Клоны в основном воюют против дроидов, их плазмы расчитаны на пробитие толстой брони.
Клонов обучали мандалорцы, умелые воины, у них тактика намного продвинутее чем у Империума с стратегией из ПМВ.
Realistically, it should be clone troopers against guardsmen. You know, regular foot soldiers, not superhuman warriors in tank armour.
Clones aren't regular soldiers. The Republic had only 2-5 millions of them. Just like the Imperium has only 1mln Space Marines
But that wouldn't be hilariously one sided.
@@adfdasdfadfadsfareaeexactly so it would be a more interesting and there for superior fight
Star Wars armies best advantage: sound design
Wh40k best one: everything else
10 stormtroopers: shooting aggressively.
1 space marine: what is this? feather?
the land raiders sitting back and not pushing deep into enemy territory felt so un space marine like. but that fellblade more than made up for it!
Welp, that went exactly as expected
The Falchion blinding the camera when it fired it's dual volcano cannons is hilarious
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At that distance, they would call in a couple Imperial Guard artillery companies.
I actually think this battle was a bit too one sided. Lemme explain my reasoning
We have to remember that the Imperium has been in a perpetual dark age for the last ten thousand years, one only somewhat lifted by the return of Guilliman. Their tech is advanced, yes, but also very antiquated in many regards. They don't even understand how half of it works.
The Star Wars galaxy, however, has a very good handle on all of their technology, and have honed in over thousands of years.
Where I'm going with this is that the Republic would keenly understand the limitations of their tech, and where they're stronger. Assuming the Imperium still has to use the Warp to travel, that would give the Republic a MASSIVE advantage, as they could reliably and quickly cover distances the Imperium might not be able to. Not to mention how inflexible the Imperium often is in their tactics. The Republic could easily recognize this, and change tactics to exploit their blind spots.
Alongside that, I'm confident in saying the total population of the Republic is probably at least comparable to that of the Imperium, seeing as it's comprised, of hundreds, probably thousands of world and species.
The Imperium, however, does probably still have an attrition advantage, since it's entire economy is built around war.
They also have a massive advantage with the Astartes. They'd be very hard to deal with, as augmentations like that rarely occur in Star Wars.
But I do think there's a counter: Jedi.
Jedi are stated to be superhuman in their physical capabilities, and Power Armor is unlikely to protect from a lightsaber. That's not even mentioning the Force, though I'm unsure if Space Marines would be prepared to deal with it, since it is very similar but also very different from the Warp.
In conclusion, I don't think it would be a squash match for either side. They both have very clear strengths and weaknesses, and it would honestly be down to the commanders to determine who would win.
According to Wookiepedia, there are roughly 3.3 million troopers in the Grand Army of the Republic. That is but a piece of dust compared to the “countless billions” (warhammer wiki) of the Astra Militarum. That is not counting the local planetary defence forces on either side, or the Astartes on the Imperium’s.
Even though the Galactic Republic might prove evasive and difficult to contain in the early stages of an all-out war (looking at your arguments) they will inevitably get crushed by the sheer size of the Imperium’s army.
A Space Marine is also superhumanly fast. A standard Tactical/Intercessor squad *might* have issues with Force powers, but a Librarian would fare better. Would be interesting to see how a Librarian deals with the Force...both rely on mental fortitude and strength of will
@@MilkMDN Good point on the Librarians!
The question is: is the Force and the Warp the same, or similar, separate sources of power? Jedi have the advantage in that they can use their full power without...ya know, literally summoning a demon.
The Terran Emperor spared no expense for his Angels, the Galactic Emperor spared every expense he could even while he was just Chancellor.
What's that green Weapon? Necron-Tech Heresy ???
Lol, no. Just Grav Weapons.
Would have looked amazing as a night fight
Why aren’t I hitting anything.
Sniper: you are hitting them.
Space marine tanking a couple hundred blaster rounds: so this it where they’ve gone. Honestly they shouldn’t be worthy of our attention.
Yea dreadnoughts aren’t THAT strong. Multiple shots with a High explosive Shot like the ATTEs canon definitely would’ve dropped them, plus then one shotting gunships? Little too OP
LOL
@@IronGamingChannel He speak the truth.
The first literal second of this video was a preview of the entire rest of this battle
I love star wars, but I don't even think they can go up against guardsmen too
I think, that in terms of efficiency that is their level. What makes the guardsmen win is the sheer numbers they can throw at the enemy.
@@akuladoctor7355 for the God emperor
I think if it was equal army numbers they might stand a chance as long as there is no baneblades.
@@andrewvalentine6977 If there are Baneblades, then it is only fair for the Empire to have it's own vehicles, and i don't think in numbers, but for same resource cost. Though i am not sure which one would be the best, because the AT-AT is partly a troop transport, and the Baneblade is all about being a tank.
@snakeeyes6892 think the baneblade stomps any vehicle in the star wars universe. Just a guess but I think about 20 AT-ATs or equivalent is equal to 1 baneblade which was why I said a fight could equal as long as the numbers are similar and there aren't any baneblades.
Oh wow, glad to see there's actually a working model of the AT-XT in something, that's my favourite walker.
5:51 I almost went blind damn 😵😵😵
The Falchion Super-Heavy Special Weapon Mega Epic tank makes BOOM!
My eyes!!!!
Warhammer guns are much more powerful than the guns of the Galaxy Far Away
@@The_Dark_Sparta Depends on the gun. SW does seem to have forgotten how to make proper turrets though. so either their gunners are exposed or the guns are fixed forward.
@@Mythantor Isn't that mostly just the AT-TE and LAAT though? I also am struggling to think of guns that are fixed forward in Star Wars but maybe that's just me
Those dreadnoughts were taking all those blaster hits like a LITERAL TANK
Dorn watching in horror as his disabled fleet crashes into an asteroid field (ion=haywire)
"Your Emperor is weak. Frail. Human.
OUR EMPEROR...IS ETERNAL!!!"
-Space Marine Log 22452
These comments are literally that one person you know that has to one up every insignificant thing you mention "Dude I was so hungry this morning I had 3 bowls of cereal for breakfast" "Thats crazy cause I had six and im still hungry"
The space marine with the Multi-Melta simply could not be contained.
Well for starters, Space Marines wouldn't be able to tank a Star Wars blaster. It literally turns your insides to molten liquid. But hey, gotta let the War Hammer fan boys win or else their sweat encrusted bodies might develop another rash.
LOL!
Lmao wtf
If so then why has nobodys inside turned to molten liquid in any of the movies, beskar literally bounces light sabers and blaster fire😂 what is this cope
@@minnievsx3977 Beskar armor wasn't a thing until Mando came out and it was extremely, and I mean extremely rare to come across and the only reason Mando came across it was because the Empire had scavenged the galaxy for it. Also last I checked, War Hammer Space Marines don't use Beskar armor they use Ceramite metal which is and I quote "a pretty mundane metal", so idk why you think bringing up Beskar metal would somehow diminish the threat an actual star wars blaster poses. The mere fact there is like 2 metals at most in the SW galaxy that can tank a blaster kinda proves how deadly they are 😂
@@godofhate4167 ceramite is extremely effective against energy based weapons because it conducts almost no heat, i only bring up beskar because u describe blaster shots more favourably than how they are showcased
The first five seconds of this engagement pretty much sum up this fight.
This could easily be a compliance battle during the Great Crusade.
I really do like how the weapons sound in Star Wars, especially the Clone Era.
This isn't even a main assault force for the space marines, this is like some kind of advanced scouting party. Also the Space Marines would have been MUCH MORE ACCURATE as they were entrenched, they do not get suppressed, they know no fear for they are what YOU fear.
I would also like to point out that Grav-Cannon would have single handedly wrecked those walkers, if you read up on how they work its terrifying, the heavier the armor the more damage it does as it collapses the armor in around you by increasing the mass via gravity manipulation, effectively it creates a micro-singularity event inside the target and crushes it from within on itself.
Clone trooper armor versus a bolter round.... Game over, man!
Try shooting that Boltgun after some random "Shiny" put a smoking hole in the Marine's head at 15km.
All these dreadnoughts are like “are you kidding, you woke me up for this?!”
Clone Trooper armor, and most armor in Star Wars, is designed to specifically defeat energy weapons and the elements. And the effectiveness against laser weapons is minimal at best. Meanwhile KINETIC protection is non-existant. The armor is rigid and fragile when faced with concussive force. So, bolt guns.
0:07
That dude was going back for his blue milk on that ship.
*Destroys the entire Imperial army
Space marines: Sorry we were a few minutes late, we got held up by a small traitor force.
I can assert that after two decades of playing 40K, space marine power armor is nowhere near as tough as is simulated here.
Playing what? A board game? It's just a balance. In the official lore, the space marines have completely different characteristics. Read the official Gamew Workshop lore. In a new game (Space Marine 2, it's 100% canon) 3 space marines are enough for killing entire armies. And I'm talking not about Titus and his veterans. I'm talking about regular SMs from PVE operations.
@@IronGamingChannel😂😂😂😂 3 космодесантника против целых армий? Это когда на тебя больше 2 крепких противников за раз не нападают? И если космодесант так хорош, то почему группу караула смерти кроме лейтенанта так легко вынесли?
this is the intergalactic crossover i would love to see.
Anyone who actually thinks Warhammer would clean Star Wars has literally no knowledge about Star Wars.
First fun fact: Blasters are Plasma weapons.
Clones are more determined than the Imperial Guard, with just as many numbers, with war gear that would make the Tau quiver.
If a single Tau Fire warrior can leave a smoking hole in the face of a Space Marine and drop him, so too can the average Clone fresh off Kamino.
Warhammer would bleed profusely in a war against the Republic's clone army.
Plus, the Republic can actually focus and fund a war, where the Imperium needs to go through a bunch of Bureaucratic bullshit to get a shipment of ammo that takes months to even maybe decades to reach the warzone.
I love Warhammer, but I'm not stupid, Warhammer would have a VERY rough fight.
You ever think about the fact that when people compare Warhammer to another universe, everyone uses Space Marines? Like it would be more likely that the clones would be fighting guard
I have MANY Clones vs Guard vids on this channel.
Logically, and even scientifically speaking, there’s no way that the space marines and juggernauts could survive a direct blast from a AT-TE canon
xD
Who will win? Centuries old marines that have been fighting for over a thousand years or clones bred for war that have shortened life spans, with most having only seen combat in simulations before.
Like a fight between a battle hardened veteran and a crayon chewing recruit
where can i get the mods?
The first and last time these clones will see such pain on the battle field (since blasters don't make too much of a mess, yet these are RPG Rifles..)
When I saw a Fachion, I knew this was more than over.
One thing i liked is that both forces used covers to fire and go prone to aim better and be less likely to get hit.
I was waiting for an exploding clone and I was not disappointed.
its like watching the average compliance war during the crusade.