Creality Sonic Pad - Easy Klipper for the S1 Pro
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Thank you for actually showing your use of Klipper in this video. I've seen many videos about this Sonic Pad but all of them go really into detail installing it all and they just show a single print to prove that it works. I love that you show your little process somewhat. Thanks.
Thank you very much . I love the Sonic Pad and it is now connected to my Ender-5 S1 too.
Thank you for taking the time to educate me on these. You went over every to help me make my decision on getting one.
Glad to have helped, I am still learning myself, Klipper is all new to me. I love the increased speed.
Great video! Very clear and well-spoken. I'm should have my Sonic Pad in a week and then I'll begin my journey with Klipper firmware.
Thank you very much, glad you like it. I am still learning more about Klipper. I am now printing everything twice as fast. Many thanks for watching
Thank you for the info,Jim.
Many thanks for watching
"Now for some High Speed Cheese" wasn't expecting to hear that sentence this morning!
Can’t beat a bit of high speed cheese for breakfast !
Great video. Just got the same printer and love the idea of the Sonic Pad. Smart idea about changing the holder for the sensor.
Many thanks for watching
Awesome as usual Jim, I myself am hesitant about buying a sonic pad, but you just made my mind up mate. Great tutorial as usual. Keep them coming
Yes I was a bit worried about it ruining my printer but it was very easy to set up. I just need to learn more about it’s other functions, Klipper is something I have only taken a passing interest in previously.
@@JimsonMakes thanks for the reply mate, now my order is in I just have to wait 3 months for it to arrive lol
My sonic pad arrived 3 days ago, and just plucked up the courage to install it tonight…. So it is currently sitting printing out one of my light boxes… I was blown away with the quality of the first few layers.. so smooth. Lots to learn, more fun ahead… so glad I watched your first tutorial
Great video. Love your style my dude. Keep it up.
Appreciate it! Many thanks for watching
Great insight into the sonic pad, I've had me s1 pro just a few days and I'm really impressed It I just wish it was faster!
I probably don’t use my Sonic pad to its full potential but it I love the user interface. My S1 pro has been my most used printer and is still going strong after many hours of use. The K1 has kind of taken over as No1 recently mainly because of its high speed
Perfect. Im a software engineer so I don't mind the complexities of klipper but this still feels worthwhile to me. Pricing on RPi is insane at the moment anyway and I appreciate the complete package with the processor + screen + case all integrated rather than an ugly setup. Some have criticised this for being locked down but recent updates opened SSH for deeper config and also you can enable Mainsail and use the web interface for that, including integration with homeassistant. I don't need anything more and I think only those who are on the fringes and quite militant about open source should bother with a custom klipper setup. The only negative you could say is we are reliant on Creality to keep this updated. I think it's likely that future printers from creality might run this natively though, which would encourage them to keep doing so.
Yes totally agree. I am still learning more about Klipper. So far there have been some very worthwhile updates from Creality. I think that in future some of Creality’s high end printers will come with Klipper as standard. There is certainly room in their product range for a higher spec machine to rival their competitors. You can now apparently run 4 printers from the 1 Sonic Pad. I have been running my new Ender-5 S1 and the Ender-3 S1 from the same Sonic pad at the same time. It disables the original touch screens but this means that the Ender-5 should fit in a smaller enclosure if you can turn it sideways if you no longer need to see the screen. Many thanks for watching.
Happy birthday Jim 🌞
Thanks very much Ray
A really good video on this Jim! Now I see I can still use it for LW-PLA printing as you just dont speed up the print. So the foaming action can still take place…then speed up regular PLA filament prints etc…. Laurie NZ.
Yes it will run at normal speed unless you instruct it otherwise, I think you can even slow it up.
Question...i didnt get screws for the g-sensor. Are they button head m3x6 or m3x8 & how many do i need? Do i need bolts too? Thanks.
I have exactly the same printer and have been mulling it over as to whether or not to get one, obviously this video is a year old so just wondering if you still recommend it a year on or if you've moved on to a better printer (this is my current dilemma, invest in the s1 pro or just put a bit of money away and get something new like the K1 MAX)?
Thanks for the video, as others have said, it was great to see the actual process of setting it up, getting it going and then tweaking and adjusting (e.g. the bracket), really informative :)
Your voice sounds just like the voice actor John Cureless as Ephraim ti Horn in the red rising audiobook… it’s fantastic. Anyways, thank you for the very informative video. Exactly what I needed
I'll have to check it out! Many thanks for watching
I've read that you also need to run the accelerometer on the y axis as well to have a complete profile.
I believe it is meant to be testing X and Y at the same time, it certainly goes through 2 different cycles. Very strange test, sounds like some sort of aircraft taking off. The sensor is put on the hot end as this is where it will give the most effective results for printing but it is measuring the resonance of the entire machine. Many thanks for watching
Fyi, I have seen a TH-cam video where the sensor was stuck to the bed with double sided tape to get the Y axis data….?
@@LWJCarroll makes sense, I will look into it, many thanks
Do you know if this would work on a basic early ender with the original board and original marlin?
It should work but it would be worth checking first, there should be a list of supported models somewhere on the Creality site. The older models may not have the hardware to take advantage of some of the features though.
Hi Jim! Great video! My bed on s1 pro ia also not flat. But still Bed Mesh is done to fix it when printing right? So when I will print something printer will fix inequality live when printing right?
That is the idea, it seems to work
Jim love your videos! Can you tell me a little bit about that sensor? Where do you get one and what does it do? I have the sonic pad on order, looking forward to using it!
Hi Adam, many thanks for watching. You should get the sensor and cable included with your Sonic Pad. The sensor is very small so keep an eye out for it in the accessories bag. I believe it is some form of accelerometer, the resonance test makes the machine vibrate at different frequencies, it is looking for the printer’s resonant frequencies so that it can avoid generating these when printing. I don’t know how it can achieve this but it seems to work.
Watching this now, your description of yourself and your interest are seem to match mine. I built a printer and it runs on klipper and it was beyond me.
I tend to review these products from the typical end user experience, I am not very savvy when it comes to the geeky code type stuff, gotta love plug and play. I will be looking into Klipper a bit more now to make the most of the Sonic Pad. Many thanks for watching
The sensor lead is that a ps/2 port as if I got this I would want to get an extension cable
I think it is a ps/2 but there are several similar connectors out there. I don’t think it needs to stay connected once calibrated so you may not need one.
Great video... and I updated mine here and it stopped recognizing the USB on the back... how do you connect the USB on the back so the cable is not connected to the printer? Do you know how to solve? and com only accepts the one from Creality?
Thank you for watching. The update resulted in the USB ports being assigned differently to allow connection of multiple printers. Your primary printer will be assigned to USB1 which is the middle port on the left side of the Sonic Pad. I don’t know how you change it to the back one, I am guessing, but if you keep adding your printer as a new additional printer it will eventually assign it to the back USB port. There is probably an easier way but I am not great with that stuff.
What size screws from did you use to mount the sensor brackets?
I think they were M3 x 12mm machine screws. Many thanks for watching
Thanks for a good video.
Id recommend doing some manual paper calibration before the autobed leveling. That way the GCODE doesnt have to be automatically compensated to much =)
Question: Does the standard screen still work? or is it completely replaced by this new one? :)
Many thanks for watching. Yes manual levelling is essential, the bed had been manually levelled when running stock. I actually went back an re-levelled after one of the Sonic Pad updates. The printer screen is completely blank once running on the sonic pad and I have actually removed it completely so that it fits in the enclosure more easily.
Great video Jim. I'm seriously considering making a jump to 3D printing. Have you done a breakdown of the cost to operate? For instance, do you know what the cost is to print one of your Cheese magnets? Thanks, V
Thanks Mike. 3D printing is quite addictive although can be frustrating at times. I think the thing I like best is designing something on my iPad and then being able to print it out. I haven’t costed it out exactly but because the pieces are hollow they actually use very little filament. With the resin printing there is a way of costing it out in the slicing software, it may also be possible in the other slicing software. It tells you how much filament the print will use, perhaps I should do some maths on it.
Hi Jim! I have a Sonic Pad, too...but I had to get rid of my S1 because i just couldn't get it to print right. I just got an S1 Pro and want to add the Sonic Pad to it. How do you get your top surfaces so smooth? I can't get mine that way. I have been testing and have mine at 190 for the filament, 80% flow rate. 50ms & 1.4 retraction. I don't know what to do. I should probably get it smooth before adding the Pad. What do you think?
Hi Brian, I have retraction set at 1mm and 45mm/sec, just about everything else is at the default Cura setting for the S1 Pro. I do enable retraction between layers when I remember. I print at slightly higher temps. I use eSun PLA+ filament printed at 215 degC, this gives great layer adhesion although it can be tricky to remove supports.
@@JimsonMakes Thank you, sir! I think I found the issue...may be my filament temp. Once I get this set, the Sonic Pad will get connected! Looking forward to it :-)
does that sensor have to stay on all the time or just during calibration?
Only during calibration apparently. Many thanks for watching
Do you still load your gcodes onto to the SD card and then control it with the sonic pad or do you load them onto the sonic pad? Great video thanks.
You need to load the gcodes onto the Sonic pad via WiFi or put them on a memory stick and insert that into the USB port on the side of the Sonic Pad. Glad you like the video
Hey Brother, just a heads up, getting some background interference noise on the sound starting around 6:30.
Sorry about that, having a few microphone issues. Many thanks for watching
Does the resonance sensor need to stay in place all the time? Or just for the setup?
Just for the set up I think, although the sensor+cable itself will affect the resonance of the machine. Many thanks for watching
I'm debating in getting this ender 3 pro or 5? Any suggestions
Sorry for the late reply, I would say the Ender-3 S1 Pro and the Ender-5 S1 are about the same in terms of print quality but the 3 is cheaper. They both work well with the Sonic Pad. Tough call, I think I slightly prefer the 3 mainly because of the PEI build plate.
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My printer has been superb since day one. I am hesitant to muck with it. My sonic pad comes tomorrow
Yes I was very nervous about it for the same reason but glad I did it. The screen on the Sonic pad is a lot easier to use especially if you are using an enclosure
I'm never sure how to do the Z-offset. It never seems to be right
It can be tricky, it needs to be such that the first layer is slightly compressed into the bed surface. If it is sitting on the top as a roll it will not stick and if it is too squashed onto the build plate it also will cause problems. If you are having a lot of trouble it may be that your bed is not level or that your build plate has a dip or bulge in the middle, Klipper should be able to make corrections for this.
Many thanks for watching.
Can you take a 2d photo and turn it into a 3D photo for 3D printing hope I hope I worded that correctly but that looks like a really good setup thank you for posting
You can combine several photos taken at different angles to create a crude 3D image, it is called photogrammetry. More on this soon.
You dont mean a lithophane print if a photo?
So what is the new speed in mms?
I think from memory it was 150mm/s
Have you considered selling that aluminum bracket?
I wish I had the time to make more, I just have too much to do at the moment. Many thanks for watching
As a complete new guy to 3d printing, do you think the initial investment would be worth it? Or should i get some experience under my belt first
I would get to know your printer first and then see if you feel the need to invest. The increased speed is certainly helpful.
Jim, do you know how many printers you can run from one pad? Or you need a pad for every other printer?
I think you can only run 1 printer at a time. It may be possible to attach it to different printers for different prints if you change the profile but I do not know how you would do this. I am not very good with all the technicalities and still need to learn more about Klipper. It is the plug and play aspect of the Sonic pad that really appeals to me and I have started doing all my prints at double speed with no noticeable loss in quality. Many thanks for watching .
You can run 4, 3 on the flsun speeder pad.
Can the fsl sun be used with other bran printers?
Hello, great video thanks for the information!. I recently got my S1 Pro.. I face a problem where the XYZ Calibration cube has some weird horizontal lines were the letters start. Did you have the same issue? And if you have, did the Sonic Pad help with that? Thank you in advance.
I have not encountered problems like this, check the eccentric nuts, especially on the bed rollers to make sure the bed is not wobbling but still free running. The sonic pad certainly helps eliminate certain print issues at higher speeds. I have found the resonance sensor to be very good but I have not messed with the pressure advance settings yet. Horizontal lines could be extrusion issues, have you tried different filaments ?
Can it be used with more than one printer at the same time?
I don’t think so but you would need to ask Creality that question. Many thanks for watching.
@@JimsonMakes Thanks for your answer, I was looking at the Klipper Flsun tablet, it can connect up to 3 printers simultaneously, but it is a little more expensive.
Creality pad can run 4.
mine is not detecting the car reader any help??
I would try a different card reader or check the card is not corrupted, not sure what else to suggest. Many thanks for watching
@@JimsonMakes thanks for the answer, I already tried with different card readers, also tryed formatting the sd card and with two different cards
@@Casal0x sounds like a hardware problem, best contact Creality
To be fair I’ve yet to get anything beyond a pile of mangled filament from my S1 no matter how many calibrations I do I’ve been over z axis esteps flow rates the lot. This printer is not for beginners. Certainly not investing in anything else. Nor do I understand why I need to.
Try a OY offset for the bl touch it solved issues like yours for so many people
Also don't forget to clean your bed with soapy warm water if U didn't already
And the issue might just be that ur bed isn't leveled and z offset is wrong
I suggest that U remove the steps calibration and do what I said before because those are rarely the case and also make sure Ur belts are tight
skipped the part about finding out which version you have to chose from
at the time of publishing there was only the one version to select for my printer
This thing has created nothing but problems for me after install. I hope others have better luck. Bit for me it was a waist of days of my life.
Luckily I have not had any problems which is good because I am not very good with technical issues. The only thing that threw me a bit was when the USB ports were reassigned after one of the updates, all sorted once I realised.