I'm not sure if there was a reason to eliminate the lower tiers of the list, considering that putting the Nagant and Nagant Officer in the same tier doesn't really make sense. The Officier is fundamentally a flat upgrade to the base variant, so they have no reason to be in the same tier. Also the only thing you may want to keep in mind with the pistols, is fire rate/cycle time does not account for the first round shot. It mainly matters in terms of Time to Kill, but with things like the Bornheim vs the Officer, the Bornheim has nearly the same TTK as the Officer. At a 0.5s cycle time, and only needing two chest shots, the Officer kills in 0.5s. The first shot is technically occuring at "0 seconds" and the second at 0.5s. With the Bornheim, you also need one chest shot, but since each additional shot fires every 0.2s, it's TTK is 0.4s. Definitely still a faster TTK, but it uses 50% of the magazine. The Officer though, uses 2/7th of the magazine, meaning you have another 2.5 additional kills you can still get with the remainder of the mag. I only bring up stats like this as it's easy to forget them when comparing raw values. There's a reason why gun like Officer tend to see just as high if not higher usage in 5-6 star lobbies, even though on paper they seem worse. Overall though it's a good video, I disagree on some of the placements, but that's kind of the point of Tier Lists. They're just a subjective thing. Good luck in the future though!
I appreciate you commenting and getting your point across without being an ass like others on YT! maybe i was a bit too harsh on the officer, but as for higher usage i genuinely haven't seen many people use it in 5-6 star lobbies over here in Aus, again i really do appreciate the comment bro have a good one 💪
@@tyrionas yeah i didn't think either of them was very special, never see anyone use the officer other than for the precision variants yet for some reason everyone is saying its the best lol i mean atleast the nagant can be silenced which i would argue makes it better just on that alone
@@tyrionas The base Nagant has one of the higher spreads of the fanning pistols, even though it has a high fire rate. If you wanted a fast firing Fanning pistol that has a tight spread, the Caldwell Conversion has one of the tightest in the game, while having the same firerate as the base Nagant. It's a nice little starter pistol, but I can't really see it being on the same level as Officer or even Conversion at any point.
@@MylesJacobSwie sure you are right, the nagant is less precise in Fanning than the coversion but you get one more bullet which can make the whole difference. I feel like for the price you pay, the Nagant is not worse than the conversion or the officer. those three pistols are fairly equivalent if you consider their price.
gotta love that underbarrel shotty fam! 💪 LeMat is WAYYYYYYYY to underrated in my opinion, and i dont have a problem with the fanning spread i think its pretty good, not as tight as the nagant or Pax but still very good!
Very confused that you placed the base nagant on the same level as the new army, conversion, or officer. the nagants fanning fire rate is the exact same as the caldwell conversion's fanning but it has a worse hip fire spread. if you had decided to utilize a D tier or lower, the nagant would definitely belong there.
each to there own my g, to be fair though i probably should have utilised a "D Tier" for some of the pistols but i would say that the nagant and officer are equally just as good/bad as each other in comparison to other pistols. appreciate you taking the time to comment though bro 💪
for me new army is S tier, it is a savior from close to mid range and i find it way superior than the officer. It does it all without having to have fanning.
I know you said "leaving out variants" like 8 times in the video, but it does seem like a weird choice to leave out the sparks pistol, since it technically is a pistol, while not having any additional sparks pistol variants succeeding it.
Tbh i know "technically" its a variant but i genuinely forgot the sparks pistol! my mate who watched the video said it to me the other night i had no idea i missed it, my bad bro! 🤣🤣
Hey mate, making my way through your vids. Love your temperament, really digging your style! I will comment tho and say I am very bummed you aren’t showcasing the guns you’re talking about as you’re talking about them. Just feels like a few more minutes of editing once you’ve got your voiceover figured out, especially since you can just record gameplay of these guns in a single shooting range (for the most part). It adds so much quality to the video rather than commentary overdubbed on random gameplay footage. Just my two cents as a fan who thinks you could do more to grow the channel! Cheers
i really appreciate you taking the time to comment with some constructive feedback! i will take that onboard for the next video i make like this and make sure the gun im talking about is in the background footage not random clips :)
The two issues I have with this list are 1. This list is being framed as "the best guns" not your personal favorites. In this case you're gonna have to accept the criticism that comes along with that. 2. Some of these guns are used almost exclusively because of their variants as opposed to the base gun. The problem is all of these are equally viable. Guns in hunt aside from mosin/lebel/uppercut are extremely subjective. I think the officer is one of the best pistols purely based on its ironsights and how little clutter it takes up in the FOV. Bornheim for example in this case is absolute hotdog water. Every time a list like this comes out it really boils down to just one thing. Crytek has done an AMAZING job of balancing all of the guns to the point that anyone can use anything and have great success with it. Outside of again mosin/lebel/uppercut, the rest of the guns are on an even playing field and it's just a matter of what you like better.
tbh i feel like most pistol in hunt are very much on the same lvl its just who uses said pistol that makes it good but i dont get why everyone hates on the bornheim... its a freakin beast lol. but i agree with you in the sense that it all boils down to personal preference ayy! i appreciate the comment man thanks for getting your point across without being a spud like most of the hunt players in the comments 👍
well this is higly subjective as you mentioned. I think the iron sights of the Nagant / officer are horrendous, I can't play with them. I much prefer the Scotfield or the caldwell. But I fully agree with you that most weapons in the game are very well balanced, especially when you factor in their price. it does make sense in the end, weapons of that Era were fairly comparable to each other in performance and which one you prefered was down to personal preference (excluding reliability and life expectancy of the weapons of course, they can't really model that). it wouldn't make any sense to just artificially make some weapon worse than others just for the game.
Damage Value and Damage Per Second are two different things. To calculate the "DPS" you need to multiply the damage by the rounds per second. And while the bornheim may fire fast, its range and damage are terrible, it has a clunky need for bulletgrubber and lousy iron sights. I have seen a few people successfully hipfire it though.
i will agree range is terrible but the iron site and damage is pretty solid in my opinion, never had an issue 2 tapping hunters from close to medium range (obviously long range isnt possible without a headshot but that goes for all pistols without high velocity rounds or long ammo) hell even the silenced variant is a beast
I mostly disagree with your tierlist, but hey, we each have our point of view I guess. From my experience, Officer is a really solid weapon, lemat can't do shit, base nagant is just a worst conversion and pax is... well one of my favorite pistol so yeah i'm ok with that one. That's what I love from this game. We all have weapons that suit us, more or less, and it's always a different weapon depending on the day, the mood, or your overall preferences. Sometimes I nail it with the uppercut, sometimes the conversion is the only answer to my bad days. Keep it up ! and cheers from France !
I couldn't agree more! everyone has there own playstyle and weapon tastes and we all dont have to use the meta weapons just because there the trendy thing ayy. I appreciate the hell out of comments like these bro, we can disagree on things but get our points across in a civil way and just enjoy a great game! 💪
I would have raised normal Caldwel in to A tier, it has amazing iron sight, it has one of best fanning spread only losing to Scotfield which make Caldwell really scary when you have fanning FMJ is just straight up upgrade when your bullet speed on pistols is already low (most of times at least), its dmg out put is technically same as Scotfield so 2 tapping is pretty much the same, it doesnt punch almost at all so re-aiming is even better than scotfield's And its avaibility makes it overall good, not too expensive and it is just well rounded weapon and anyone can learn its recoil pattern easier than scotts Scottfield is amazing dont get me wrong but taking an account on different things you notice how amazing normal Caldwell really is
@@KING_NIMROD know that this video was about base versions of the weapons Pax is slow to reload, nagant... scotfield... heck almost all base versions of pistols are slow to reload Then if you care so much on loading then i bet you dont play uppercut or uppermat or even dolch (after reloading nerf it is really slow even with slider reload) Nagant officer is also slow to reload yet it is good sidearm
LEMAT IS SO GOOD If I'm being honest I'm just a lemat glazer though, I play with lemat carbine, I play with lemat, I love the lemat and everything relating to it pretty much
Hey man no hate or anything but i have to say i agree with the comments in the beginning. Like you can tell by your arguments that you just arent deep into the game and juding by the gameplay in the background you are in like 3 star lobbies. That oviously doenst mean that you cant voice your opinion on guns but dont wonder if you get critiqued for it
when i'm not messing around grinding clips for a weapon i dont usually use for a video im in 5 star and i would disagree that im not deep into the game i have more hours then pretty much everyone who comments on the videos and play it everyday so i would argue i know a thing or two just saying, but thanks for taking the time to comment man
Well judging by your accent you are playing on australian servers and sry man but you cant compare them to European servers. And I mean not to offend you but you are a literal youtuber like we can see your gameplay no need for pretending you are great. @@KilroyPlays
honestly OCE lobby's are terrible for every game these days its to worst region to be in as a gamer. i would honestly love to jump on the european or american servers to see what difference it would actually make, cause for me i dont think it would be harder it would just be fuller lobbies instead of 9 out of 10 matches being empty all week
If you were a Content Creator you'd understand that no one is going to watch an hour long video of me going over defaults and variants my g its the smarter thing to do. By breaking them up into different videos i get more engagement, better views and overall better for the channel in the long run.
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I'm not sure if there was a reason to eliminate the lower tiers of the list, considering that putting the Nagant and Nagant Officer in the same tier doesn't really make sense. The Officier is fundamentally a flat upgrade to the base variant, so they have no reason to be in the same tier.
Also the only thing you may want to keep in mind with the pistols, is fire rate/cycle time does not account for the first round shot. It mainly matters in terms of Time to Kill, but with things like the Bornheim vs the Officer, the Bornheim has nearly the same TTK as the Officer. At a 0.5s cycle time, and only needing two chest shots, the Officer kills in 0.5s. The first shot is technically occuring at "0 seconds" and the second at 0.5s. With the Bornheim, you also need one chest shot, but since each additional shot fires every 0.2s, it's TTK is 0.4s. Definitely still a faster TTK, but it uses 50% of the magazine. The Officer though, uses 2/7th of the magazine, meaning you have another 2.5 additional kills you can still get with the remainder of the mag.
I only bring up stats like this as it's easy to forget them when comparing raw values. There's a reason why gun like Officer tend to see just as high if not higher usage in 5-6 star lobbies, even though on paper they seem worse.
Overall though it's a good video, I disagree on some of the placements, but that's kind of the point of Tier Lists. They're just a subjective thing. Good luck in the future though!
I appreciate you commenting and getting your point across without being an ass like others on YT! maybe i was a bit too harsh on the officer, but as for higher usage i genuinely haven't seen many people use it in 5-6 star lobbies over here in Aus, again i really do appreciate the comment bro have a good one 💪
I wouldn't call it a flat upgrade as with fanning, the normal nagant is much better than the officer. I agree in keeping them at the same Tier tbh.
@@tyrionas yeah i didn't think either of them was very special, never see anyone use the officer other than for the precision variants yet for some reason everyone is saying its the best lol i mean atleast the nagant can be silenced which i would argue makes it better just on that alone
@@tyrionas The base Nagant has one of the higher spreads of the fanning pistols, even though it has a high fire rate. If you wanted a fast firing Fanning pistol that has a tight spread, the Caldwell Conversion has one of the tightest in the game, while having the same firerate as the base Nagant. It's a nice little starter pistol, but I can't really see it being on the same level as Officer or even Conversion at any point.
@@MylesJacobSwie sure you are right, the nagant is less precise in Fanning than the coversion but you get one more bullet which can make the whole difference. I feel like for the price you pay, the Nagant is not worse than the conversion or the officer. those three pistols are fairly equivalent if you consider their price.
Finally somebody placed LeMat into a deserved place
LeMat is one of the most underrated weapons in hunt in my opinion! along with the bow!
@@KilroyPlays I think the issue with the LeMat is the terrible spread in Fanning. it used to be better i believe.
Cuz after the buff, his shotgun barrel does as much damage and as accurate as short caldvell rival
gotta love that underbarrel shotty fam! 💪 LeMat is WAYYYYYYYY to underrated in my opinion, and i dont have a problem with the fanning spread i think its pretty good, not as tight as the nagant or Pax but still very good!
Very confused that you placed the base nagant on the same level as the new army, conversion, or officer. the nagants fanning fire rate is the exact same as the caldwell conversion's fanning but it has a worse hip fire spread. if you had decided to utilize a D tier or lower, the nagant would definitely belong there.
each to there own my g, to be fair though i probably should have utilised a "D Tier" for some of the pistols but i would say that the nagant and officer are equally just as good/bad as each other in comparison to other pistols. appreciate you taking the time to comment though bro 💪
for me new army is S tier, it is a savior from close to mid range and i find it way superior than the officer. It does it all without having to have fanning.
Good vid 👍 for me, fanning with the Caldwell Pax got me to 5 MMR after a few hours, it's always my go-to choice.
Glad you enjoyed! do you prefer the default pax over the trueshot?
@KilroyPlays I do think the Trueshot is more versatile, so if I had to choose, I'd pick the Trueshot for that tiny bit more range and damage. 👍
Couldn't agree with you more on that, the Trueshot is easily one of the best pistols variants in game
I know you said "leaving out variants" like 8 times in the video, but it does seem like a weird choice to leave out the sparks pistol, since it technically is a pistol, while not having any additional sparks pistol variants succeeding it.
Tbh i know "technically" its a variant but i genuinely forgot the sparks pistol! my mate who watched the video said it to me the other night i had no idea i missed it, my bad bro! 🤣🤣
Hey mate, making my way through your vids. Love your temperament, really digging your style!
I will comment tho and say I am very bummed you aren’t showcasing the guns you’re talking about as you’re talking about them. Just feels like a few more minutes of editing once you’ve got your voiceover figured out, especially since you can just record gameplay of these guns in a single shooting range (for the most part). It adds so much quality to the video rather than commentary overdubbed on random gameplay footage.
Just my two cents as a fan who thinks you could do more to grow the channel!
Cheers
i really appreciate you taking the time to comment with some constructive feedback! i will take that onboard for the next video i make like this and make sure the gun im talking about is in the background footage not random clips :)
5* Bomb Lance main here, I'm always running a pistol and as a standalone gun I find the Pax dumdum to be the best all round, especially with fanning.
Do you take the default pax over the trueshot?
@@KilroyPlays Trueshot is better in most cases but if you don't have fanning you might prefer the faster cycle time of the normal pax.
@@dutchmisfit yeah i love the trueshot! easily one of my favourite pistols
The two issues I have with this list are 1. This list is being framed as "the best guns" not your personal favorites. In this case you're gonna have to accept the criticism that comes along with that. 2. Some of these guns are used almost exclusively because of their variants as opposed to the base gun. The problem is all of these are equally viable. Guns in hunt aside from mosin/lebel/uppercut are extremely subjective. I think the officer is one of the best pistols purely based on its ironsights and how little clutter it takes up in the FOV. Bornheim for example in this case is absolute hotdog water.
Every time a list like this comes out it really boils down to just one thing. Crytek has done an AMAZING job of balancing all of the guns to the point that anyone can use anything and have great success with it. Outside of again mosin/lebel/uppercut, the rest of the guns are on an even playing field and it's just a matter of what you like better.
tbh i feel like most pistol in hunt are very much on the same lvl its just who uses said pistol that makes it good but i dont get why everyone hates on the bornheim... its a freakin beast lol. but i agree with you in the sense that it all boils down to personal preference ayy! i appreciate the comment man thanks for getting your point across without being a spud like most of the hunt players in the comments 👍
well this is higly subjective as you mentioned. I think the iron sights of the Nagant / officer are horrendous, I can't play with them. I much prefer the Scotfield or the caldwell. But I fully agree with you that most weapons in the game are very well balanced, especially when you factor in their price.
it does make sense in the end, weapons of that Era were fairly comparable to each other in performance and which one you prefered was down to personal preference (excluding reliability and life expectancy of the weapons of course, they can't really model that). it wouldn't make any sense to just artificially make some weapon worse than others just for the game.
Damage Value and Damage Per Second are two different things. To calculate the "DPS" you need to multiply the damage by the rounds per second. And while the bornheim may fire fast, its range and damage are terrible, it has a clunky need for bulletgrubber and lousy iron sights. I have seen a few people successfully hipfire it though.
i will agree range is terrible but the iron site and damage is pretty solid in my opinion, never had an issue 2 tapping hunters from close to medium range (obviously long range isnt possible without a headshot but that goes for all pistols without high velocity rounds or long ammo) hell even the silenced variant is a beast
When will you do variants for guns? I'd be keen to see your opinion
i'll be starting the scripts for them pretty soon so maybe in the next few weeks possibly?
very cool man 😎
@@JadsterNZ1 Is there any other video ideas you'd like to see? always keen for suggestions
I'm a tier list of best weapons and guides for the best weapons person. I'm always wanting to learn how to improve
perfect! i like making guide content and trying to help others with things on a game so i can defs work on some of those
Great video 😊
Glad you enjoyed :)
I mostly disagree with your tierlist, but hey, we each have our point of view I guess.
From my experience, Officer is a really solid weapon, lemat can't do shit, base nagant is just a worst conversion and pax is... well one of my favorite pistol so yeah i'm ok with that one.
That's what I love from this game. We all have weapons that suit us, more or less, and it's always a different weapon depending on the day, the mood, or your overall preferences.
Sometimes I nail it with the uppercut, sometimes the conversion is the only answer to my bad days.
Keep it up ! and cheers from France !
I couldn't agree more! everyone has there own playstyle and weapon tastes and we all dont have to use the meta weapons just because there the trendy thing ayy. I appreciate the hell out of comments like these bro, we can disagree on things but get our points across in a civil way and just enjoy a great game! 💪
Looking forward to your pistol variants tier list
What Pistol variant would you have on top?
Why wouldn't you rank the variants?
I am doing just in a separate video. otherwise the vids get too long
Hunt showdown economics are so bad that I never look at a price of a weapon , just play wahtever I want and still making money
Yeah its crazy easy to get hunt dollars now in game
I would have raised normal Caldwel in to A tier, it has amazing iron sight, it has one of best fanning spread only losing to Scotfield which make Caldwell really scary when you have fanning
FMJ is just straight up upgrade when your bullet speed on pistols is already low (most of times at least), its dmg out put is technically same as Scotfield so 2 tapping is pretty much the same, it doesnt punch almost at all so re-aiming is even better than scotfield's
And its avaibility makes it overall good, not too expensive and it is just well rounded weapon and anyone can learn its recoil pattern easier than scotts
Scottfield is amazing dont get me wrong but taking an account on different things you notice how amazing normal Caldwell really is
idk man it burns out fanning in half a second and reloads slow as hell compared to every other fast weapon in the game now a days
@@KING_NIMROD know that this video was about base versions of the weapons
Pax is slow to reload, nagant... scotfield... heck almost all base versions of pistols are slow to reload
Then if you care so much on loading then i bet you dont play uppercut or uppermat or even dolch (after reloading nerf it is really slow even with slider reload)
Nagant officer is also slow to reload yet it is good sidearm
clearly you don't own an air fryer
an air fryer??
@KilroyPlays if I understand him correctly, an air fryer is a cooking device but I don't think that's what he's talking about
@@GuildR16 thanks coopy i know what an air fryer is i just dont get what he means ayy 🤣🤣
Oh 😐 i see@@KilroyPlays
Clearly
LEMAT IS SO GOOD
If I'm being honest I'm just a lemat glazer though, I play with lemat carbine, I play with lemat, I love the lemat and everything relating to it pretty much
Such an underrated gun ayy! 💪🔥
To clarify in this list are you assuming the user always has fanning available when comparing then to the double actions?
I take nothing into the games and use only what i pick up like a true gamma theybe.
Dies Instantly*
Hey man no hate or anything but i have to say i agree with the comments in the beginning. Like you can tell by your arguments that you just arent deep into the game and juding by the gameplay in the background you are in like 3 star lobbies. That oviously doenst mean that you cant voice your opinion on guns but dont wonder if you get critiqued for it
when i'm not messing around grinding clips for a weapon i dont usually use for a video im in 5 star and i would disagree that im not deep into the game i have more hours then pretty much everyone who comments on the videos and play it everyday so i would argue i know a thing or two just saying, but thanks for taking the time to comment man
Well judging by your accent you are playing on australian servers and sry man but you cant compare them to European servers. And I mean not to offend you but you are
a literal youtuber like we can see your gameplay no need for pretending you are great.
@@KilroyPlays
honestly OCE lobby's are terrible for every game these days its to worst region to be in as a gamer. i would honestly love to jump on the european or american servers to see what difference it would actually make, cause for me i dont think it would be harder it would just be fuller lobbies instead of 9 out of 10 matches being empty all week
yea no, we go onto your servers cuz its fun shitting ppl who are so bad that you get a kda of 10 even tho you are playing on 100ms ping@@KilroyPlays
just because 90% of the players in oce arent the best doesn't mean we're all bad mate, but look stay salty catcha later
no reason to have the variants in a different video.
If you were a Content Creator you'd understand that no one is going to watch an hour long video of me going over defaults and variants my g its the smarter thing to do. By breaking them up into different videos i get more engagement, better views and overall better for the channel in the long run.
@@KilroyPlays that’s nice for you
@@lonemichi5289 nicer for everyone else too
@@KilroyPlays surely
youre out of your mind lmao
what makes you say that hmmmm?
@@KilroyPlays Bornhiem above new army, officer and conversion? Lemat in S? Clearly a troll post
bornhiem claps all those pistols and so does the lemat if you know how to use it lol stay salty, get good 🤣
@@KilroyPlays the only thing bornhiem claps is the other two star players in your lobbies brother
hahaha is that the best comeback you got 🤣 stay salty bro