How come my temps get higher after some time of using? I use PTM as well. I reed it somewhere it can last up to 10 years or something but I am not sure what's really happening here.
So the pads have to be hot enough for a while to melt then it will have good performance, but it's not that good while the PC is still cold, it's actually amazing
just a heads up noctuas paste is unsuitable for any modern cpus and gpus, especially in a direct die role. If you have to use itll last longer on a chip with a heatspreader. Its temperature range is way too low causing the thermalpaste to separate due to small portions of a direct die and heatspreader exceeding its design limits causing a pump out effect of the silicone oil which aids in pushing out the transfer material in waves. This is the pump out effect. ideally the thickest paste has the best durability before requiring replacement, thats why these phase change materials are excellent theyre so thick they solidify at cooler temperatures.
@@ps3customgamer Search "Thermal Migration Noctua Paste" and you'll probably find Forum and Reddit discussions on the topic. It's not JUST Noctua's pastes; most Pastes will thermally migrate and/or separate on thermally-dense silicon. My MX-4 application on my Vega 10 16GB card, has 'lost performance' over the last 4-6months, and it's not merely 'dust'. When I put the MX-4 on, I noticed the previous owner's TIM-application (that replaced the Synthetic/Pyrolytic Graphite pad) had both migrated and 'cooked'.
@@ps3customgamer Most gpu manufacturers are starting to go with ptm 7950 because it has better application then noctua paste which is garbage anyways. You are not going to get peak performance out of the paste anyways, when xfx designed 7900xtx phoenix nirvana and magnetic air which has new application of ptm 7950 which performs better any paste on the market besides liquid metal tho probably has potential eventually.
My laptop requires lifting up the heatsink if I'm fo clean the fans properly by the vents. Do I need to reapply PTM after opening the laptop or would the old pad work just fine?
@@ValorHederaG i think thermal pad should be good, i haven't change my laptop thermal pad vram since i bought it on 2019, and i have no issues, just replace my proc & gpu thermal paste so far.
If you can access the advanced bios of the asus tuf via the SERP smokeless bios method, you can enable undervolting on the i5 11400h. Alternatively there's a simple bios tweak you can do to unlock undervolting. Once the CPU + GPU are UV'd + OC'd, you can prolly get an even higher score and more performance while not increasing temps.
The stuff works great. I recommend cutting it smaller by ~3mm on all 4 sides. It makes it much easier to 2nd peel, and you'll still achieve full coverage since ~80% will flow out once it melts. Needs a good burn in to achieve it's thinnest. I recommend a good 2 hours at around 80C on both CPU and GPU die. Best paired with Thermal Putty, rather than pads, as putty compresses much better than pads do. This gives the CPU and GPU core more of the heatsink mounting pressure. Lots of good options for aftermarket putties out there these days. Avoid K5 Pro like the plague.
Nice video, but why you dont make a side by side video with msi afterburner are on? It will help viewers to know more how well honeywell perform vs nt-h2.
@@TheEasyWay Thank you for your reply, many asus users in Asian where ambient temperature 28*-31* complain that A15 is quiet hot so it's very interesting to see how much cooler A15 can get with Honeywell PTM 7950. Btw what is your ambient temperature? Did you make this video with AC on?
In addition you can use memo fl08 cooler at 1500 rpm (quite and good air flow ) and you will get absolutely lower temps around 10 - 15 C on cpu and 10 - 20 C on gpu and if you don’t give shit about noise you can max the fan speed and you will see huge difference (PTM7950 + K5 Pro + Pressure Air Fan Cooler = Cold Laptop at maximum Performance)
I have my llano v10 on the way and the ptm 7950 + upsiren u6 pro has already dropped my 90c 12500h to 72c. Once i have the cooler, my aorus is gonna be crazy cold haha
In low compresion scenarios PTM7950 outperforms KPX because it has a lower viscosity than KPX (once it changes phase). In high compression scenarios KPX outperforms PTM7950, at least during a 12 hour test. That being said, PTM7950 usually improves over time so it's possible it could eventually match KPX performance given enough time. I tested it out on a GPU Die (Low Compression with 4 little spring screws, rather than X bracket), and also tested it on CPU (High Compression Noctua NH-U12S).
Do you have any link of the normal 7950 with international shipping? And maybe do you know the size should I buy to use in a CPU and GPU (water cooler).
Hi! Thanks for sharing the information. How do you think, what kind of thermal paste is inside MSI laptops (I have Katana GF76). Is it worth to replace the stock one with ptm7950?
samething it worked perfectly fine for me in MsI TITAN pro know no more undervolting even normal fan speed without cooler boost silent laptop manage to get 85 temps with overclocked without OC my temps are 59
May ask you..what you believe is the right size to buy for gigabyte G5 with 11400h and rtx 3060? 40x40x0,25mm it will be ok you believe? Thank you in advance!😊
While it is recommended to disconnect the battery before doing this, I didn't disconnect it because all of the materials we're working with are non-conductive.
Hello, its getting close to the end of the year now, and I was wondering how the performance is holding up? I am looking to do this to my Razer Blade 16, which is hitting crazy high temperatures on the i9 13950HX hitting temperature sikes of 107*C momentarily and throttling down, and with average temps while gaming sitting between 95-100*C, if this can actually decrease temperature by 10* i believe I can get the CPU to finally stop throttling.
Is NVIDIA not using this on RTX 4090 FE as well now ? anyway i keep hearing it performs as close if not better then liquid metal while not having to worry about conductivity and frying hardware I wanna apply this to my liquid devil 7900 XTX that has hotspot of 90c or so which is watercooled card, if heard least about 1 person having great succes with PTM7950 on 7900 XTX he had a hotspot of 61c at 400w total board power in cyberpunk 2077 my hotspot varies per game tho it can be 80c 82c in 1 game then peek 87 90c in another and only do 70c hotspot in furmark while doing instant 80c going up to 90c hotspot in 3D occt test. This stuff is supose to melt above 45c but from my understanding it does not turn back to a solid state after it melts and gets better thru multiple cycles, i see you haven't done 2e video yet did your thermals improve or settle bit higher now.
That is true, Nvidia is using it on 4090s. Lenovo laptops use it too. And I can safely recommend trying this out if you're comfortable with taking you card apart.
@@TheEasyWay Only worry is just glue's on as it get solid and only removeable truely without risk if it heats up gonna do an attempt tommorow, 2e fear is my block makes no good contact and it gets worse i litterally used borderline almost to much on my liquid devil 7900 XTX first attempt temps went down but went back up after like a week or so using MX-4 then 2e attempt used about same slightly less both times i manually spread it and did a bit more in center of die. If only seen one person mention using PTM7950 on he's 7900 XTX he got 61c hotspot at 400w total board power on he's watercooled card, i am just curious if it can get solid again once it coolsdown or stays liquidy after it melts like a paste more, really do not wanna repaste again after i apply PTM7950 again :D Im gonna share my test results with powercolor in hopes to motivate them to put it on the liquid devil in the future they get a lot of hate, cos the Sapphire nitro+ gets colder temps on air i wonder if they use PTM7950 as well.
I like to live dangerously. 😜 On a serious note, the battery cable is very fragile, it may cause more problems for an average user to unplug and plug it back. The laptop has an auto kill switch so the board does not have any power when the back is open. Most modern laptops have this to avoid shorts.
I already had seen the LTT video over four months ago. And then you decide to make your own with testing for Laptops. Good for you! But, I have a problem with the fact that you referred to the information being displayed on your laptop display. First, the laptop was so far in the background that you could not what was being displayed, even in 1440p. And the few times the video had a close-up of the laptop display. The display was so f'ing blurry that you couldn't see anything being displayed. There was no way for anyone to know the exact temps that you were seeing. Because there was nothing for anyone to see. Another problem I had with your video. Is that you were complaining about the temps was already climbing to 90C, for which you didn't like. Then when you opened your laptop up. And everyone could see that your fans were clogged with dirt and hair. That is the freaking reason why your laptop was reaching temps of 90C. Now, you had stated that you had only just applied Notura's thermal paste 15 days prior. Didn't you even bother to clean the freaking fans when you had done that? The amount of dirt and hair in those fans if from a long term use and the fans not being cleaned. Not from 15 days worth of use. What you should have done was, stopped the video. Cleaned the fans and restated creating the video. But, this time with clean fans, and heatsinks, to show the true temps for that laptop. And then tested the PTM7950 and compared the results. Now, this is something that you should already know. But, obviously you don't seem to. Laptops and Desktops get dirt, and hair, in them that eventually gets into the fans and stuck to the heatsinks. If you own a PC, whether a Desktop or Laptop, you are required to clean out the computer of any and all dirt, and hair, periodically, For a Desktop you need to clean it out at least once a year. But, if you live in a dusty environment. Then you need to every 6 months. For a Laptop, it is worst that than. You need to clean it out at least once every 6 months. But, realistically you need to do it at least once every 3-4 months. As a Laptop clogs up with dirt and hair quite quickly.
you should have replaced the pads on your memory - putting it back like you did is gonna f up your system badly also if you wanted to be scientific you should have done a "fresh TIM" vs "fresh PTM7950" comparison. For your follow up you should use the "old TIM" vs "old PTM7950" and then compare them to the first 2 values - 4 values total.
i think linus tested this thing and while is quite impressive for what it is, is not really a life changer compared to thermal paste, what is a life changer and the future of laptops, is the membrane cooling system shown at CES 2023
performing just as well as liquid metal, getting better with age and not having to ever change it is not a life changer but a membrane that can only cool a few watts is. yeah. checks out.
@@Dave-kh6tx as well as liquid metal!?! liquid metal can decrease temp in up to 20°C, also, that membrane cooling system is just the beginning, but the testing can show you already how impressive it is, silent and powerful
@@Dave-kh6tx is not available to public but there are literally documentation and testing for the product, why is that so hard to understand? th-cam.com/video/YGxTnGEAx3E/w-d-xo.html
@@NicolasSilvaVasault I understand fine. You don't understand. You're comparing vaporware to a product you have not used. Not only that if and when that membrane *releases* it's still a piss poor solution. Maybe fine for ultralight notebook CPUs or similar but that's it. What are you bragging about and standing on this hill for. You discounted a product that does just as well as liquid metal an outdoes it in longevity also for a little membrane that as of right now might be useful arm chops but is bigger than an arm soc. What don't you understand? Your crutches have crutches?
This pad works wonders. Pair it with clean air vents and your laptop is almost good as new
How come my temps get higher after some time of using? I use PTM as well. I reed it somewhere it can last up to 10 years or something but I am not sure what's really happening here.
@@Jakiyyyyy maybe you didn't apply it well or you bought a fake
@@asterion2499 Hi, if you don't mind, what is the thickness of your PTM? 0.2 or 0.25?
@@Jakiyyyyy you bought a cheap, fake pad. You got scammed...
Thank you! 🙏🏼
_"Measure _*_twice,_*_ cut _*_once"_* 👍🏼
😁 it was a poorly executed joke
So the pads have to be hot enough for a while to melt then it will have good performance, but it's not that good while the PC is still cold, it's actually amazing
the pads turns liquidy when cpu temp reaches over 45 degrees, and then turns solid when cpu gets less the 45 degrees.
@@gibonzproject9710there is, a non gaming laptop
just a heads up noctuas paste is unsuitable for any modern cpus and gpus, especially in a direct die role. If you have to use itll last longer on a chip with a heatspreader. Its temperature range is way too low causing the thermalpaste to separate due to small portions of a direct die and heatspreader exceeding its design limits causing a pump out effect of the silicone oil which aids in pushing out the transfer material in waves. This is the pump out effect. ideally the thickest paste has the best durability before requiring replacement, thats why these phase change materials are excellent theyre so thick they solidify at cooler temperatures.
Where are you getting this info about temperature range and being unsuitable
@@ps3customgamer Search "Thermal Migration Noctua Paste" and you'll probably find Forum and Reddit discussions on the topic.
It's not JUST Noctua's pastes; most Pastes will thermally migrate and/or separate on thermally-dense silicon.
My MX-4 application on my Vega 10 16GB card, has 'lost performance' over the last 4-6months, and it's not merely 'dust'. When I put the MX-4 on, I noticed the previous owner's TIM-application (that replaced the Synthetic/Pyrolytic Graphite pad) had both migrated and 'cooked'.
@@ps3customgamer Most gpu manufacturers are starting to go with ptm 7950 because it has better application then noctua paste which is garbage anyways. You are not going to get peak performance out of the paste anyways, when xfx designed 7900xtx phoenix nirvana and magnetic air which has new application of ptm 7950 which performs better any paste on the market besides liquid metal tho probably has potential eventually.
ptm9750 is in the asus rog ally gaming handheld !
Awesome Solution must say!!!Thanks for the knowledge...!!!
My laptop requires lifting up the heatsink if I'm fo clean the fans properly by the vents.
Do I need to reapply PTM after opening the laptop or would the old pad work just fine?
nice video and information for this alternative thermal paste that have same quality with liquid metal but with zero risk and easy to applied 😃
What would you suggest to use on the vram
@@ValorHederaG i think thermal pad should be good, i haven't change my laptop thermal pad vram since i bought it on 2019, and i have no issues, just replace my proc & gpu thermal paste so far.
If you can access the advanced bios of the asus tuf via the SERP smokeless bios method, you can enable undervolting on the i5 11400h. Alternatively there's a simple bios tweak you can do to unlock undervolting. Once the CPU + GPU are UV'd + OC'd, you can prolly get an even higher score and more performance while not increasing temps.
The stuff works great. I recommend cutting it smaller by ~3mm on all 4 sides. It makes it much easier to 2nd peel, and you'll still achieve full coverage since ~80% will flow out once it melts. Needs a good burn in to achieve it's thinnest. I recommend a good 2 hours at around 80C on both CPU and GPU die.
Best paired with Thermal Putty, rather than pads, as putty compresses much better than pads do. This gives the CPU and GPU core more of the heatsink mounting pressure. Lots of good options for aftermarket putties out there these days. Avoid K5 Pro like the plague.
Could just be my untrained eye but those pads look like they need some love and care as well, might bring your temps down a bit after replacing those.
Where is the update?
Did you ever do a follow up video on this? @theeasyway
Long term use will be a key indicator on how well it's holding up ..
Really it's very easy way overcome over heat CPU and GPU great ideas 👌👌👌👌
Nice video, but why you dont make a side by side video with msi afterburner are on? It will help viewers to know more how well honeywell perform vs nt-h2.
Good idea, I'm building my desktop this week. I plan to do a follow up very soon
@@TheEasyWay Thank you for your reply, many asus users in Asian where ambient temperature 28*-31* complain that A15 is quiet hot so it's very interesting to see how much cooler A15 can get with Honeywell PTM 7950.
Btw what is your ambient temperature? Did you make this video with AC on?
"measure twice, cut once"
Not the other way around
It was a joke 🤣
In addition you can use memo fl08 cooler at 1500 rpm (quite and good air flow ) and you will get absolutely lower temps around 10 - 15 C on cpu and 10 - 20 C on gpu and if you don’t give shit about noise you can max the fan speed and you will see huge difference (PTM7950 + K5 Pro + Pressure Air Fan Cooler = Cold Laptop at maximum Performance)
I have my llano v10 on the way and the ptm 7950 + upsiren u6 pro has already dropped my 90c 12500h to 72c. Once i have the cooler, my aorus is gonna be crazy cold haha
Can you compare this Honeywell PTM7950 with the Kingpin KPX? Nice video by the way!
Yes, definitely! stay tuned. I'm building a new PC and I'm gonna compare all the epic available solutions.
@@TheEasyWay thank you sir 🙏
In low compresion scenarios PTM7950 outperforms KPX because it has a lower viscosity than KPX (once it changes phase). In high compression scenarios KPX outperforms PTM7950, at least during a 12 hour test. That being said, PTM7950 usually improves over time so it's possible it could eventually match KPX performance given enough time. I tested it out on a GPU Die (Low Compression with 4 little spring screws, rather than X bracket), and also tested it on CPU (High Compression Noctua NH-U12S).
There is a big difference between the 7950 SP and the normal 7950! The original is better and lasts longer, but its hard to find it
Do you have any link of the normal 7950 with international shipping? And maybe do you know the size should I buy to use in a CPU and GPU (water cooler).
Hi! How are the GPU temps before and after the repaste? I plan on getting my G14 changed with PTM as well
Hi i had a question about the the vram, i was wondering what kind of paste or pats i should use.
bro can u direct me.....where can i find the 1mm thickness ones from 40mmby 40mm and 1mm thickness ones lenovo uses those ones
Hi!
Thanks for sharing the information.
How do you think, what kind of thermal paste is inside MSI laptops (I have Katana GF76). Is it worth to replace the stock one with ptm7950?
samething it worked perfectly fine for me in MsI TITAN pro know no more undervolting even normal fan speed without cooler boost silent laptop manage to get 85 temps with overclocked without OC my temps are 59
What about the upsiren phase change thermal pads
Similar performance.
May ask you..what you believe is the right size to buy for gigabyte G5 with 11400h and rtx 3060?
40x40x0,25mm it will be ok you believe?
Thank you in advance!😊
So you applied the noctua thermal paste 15 days ago and didn't clean your fans? And you wonder why the temperature was climbing so high? 😂
Hey, did you discount the battery when doing this?
While it is recommended to disconnect the battery before doing this, I didn't disconnect it because all of the materials we're working with are non-conductive.
Classic TH-cam sin: 9:00 "I'll make a follow-up video in 6 months"
Nah bra, you ain't
can you compare it with the arctic mx-6?
Hello, its getting close to the end of the year now, and I was wondering how the performance is holding up?
I am looking to do this to my Razer Blade 16, which is hitting crazy high temperatures on the i9 13950HX hitting temperature sikes of 107*C momentarily and throttling down, and with average temps while gaming sitting between 95-100*C, if this can actually decrease temperature by 10* i believe I can get the CPU to finally stop throttling.
Stay tuned. I have a video in the works. It is due to be released this week. Cheers!
How is the performane holding after 7 months? Did temperatures improve / got worse?
Usually with this pad it gets better over time
You should replace the thermal pads with Upsiren U6 Pro, that will also help a good bit.
Is NVIDIA not using this on RTX 4090 FE as well now ? anyway i keep hearing it performs as close if not better then liquid metal while not having to worry about conductivity and frying hardware
I wanna apply this to my liquid devil 7900 XTX that has hotspot of 90c or so which is watercooled card, if heard least about 1 person having great succes with PTM7950 on 7900 XTX he had a hotspot of 61c at 400w total board power in cyberpunk 2077 my hotspot varies per game tho it can be 80c 82c in 1 game then peek 87 90c in another and only do 70c hotspot in furmark while doing instant 80c going up to 90c hotspot in 3D occt test.
This stuff is supose to melt above 45c but from my understanding it does not turn back to a solid state after it melts and gets better thru multiple cycles, i see you haven't done 2e video yet did your thermals improve or settle bit higher now.
That is true, Nvidia is using it on 4090s. Lenovo laptops use it too. And I can safely recommend trying this out if you're comfortable with taking you card apart.
@@TheEasyWay Only worry is just glue's on as it get solid and only removeable truely without risk if it heats up gonna do an attempt tommorow, 2e fear is my block makes no good contact and it gets worse i litterally used borderline almost to much on my liquid devil 7900 XTX first attempt temps went down but went back up after like a week or so using MX-4 then 2e attempt used about same slightly less both times i manually spread it and did a bit more in center of die.
If only seen one person mention using PTM7950 on he's 7900 XTX he got 61c hotspot at 400w total board power on he's watercooled card, i am just curious if it can get solid again once it coolsdown or stays liquidy after it melts like a paste more, really do not wanna repaste again after i apply PTM7950 again :D
Im gonna share my test results with powercolor in hopes to motivate them to put it on the liquid devil in the future they get a lot of hate, cos the Sapphire nitro+ gets colder temps on air i wonder if they use PTM7950 as well.
Do you think it's good to also apply it on the memory chips beside the cpu and gpu?
U need to put thermal putty on those small chips called vrms
No its the equivalent of putting thermal paste on them, you either want to put high quality thermal pads or thermal putty on those
Can PTM be used instead of GPU thermal pads?
There are some thermal grizzly thermal pads you can buy instead of PTM. It’s not thick enough.
@@TheEasyWay 😮😮😮😮 thank’s!
@@TheEasyWay Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet Thickness : 0.2 mm
You need to repaste VRAM and capacitor with K5 after to take off heatsink.
I do not recommend the K5 Pro is inefficient and hard to get rid of. I advise Upsiren UX Pro.
dude, unplug your battery first
I like to live dangerously. 😜
On a serious note, the battery cable is very fragile, it may cause more problems for an average user to unplug and plug it back. The laptop has an auto kill switch so the board does not have any power when the back is open. Most modern laptops have this to avoid shorts.
@@TheEasyWayno, they don't
I'm a computer technician myself, you still can turn on your laptop even the cover is open
Bonjour , rog ally gpu on peut faire ?
Ally already comes with PTM7950. If you think its not working correctly, you can replace it or clean the heatsink/fan to improve cooling performance.
I think those fans need some cleaning. Great video otherwise
I already had seen the LTT video over four months ago. And then you decide to make your own with testing for Laptops. Good for you! But, I have a problem with the fact that you referred to the information being displayed on your laptop display. First, the laptop was so far in the background that you could not what was being displayed, even in 1440p. And the few times the video had a close-up of the laptop display. The display was so f'ing blurry that you couldn't see anything being displayed. There was no way for anyone to know the exact temps that you were seeing. Because there was nothing for anyone to see.
Another problem I had with your video. Is that you were complaining about the temps was already climbing to 90C, for which you didn't like. Then when you opened your laptop up. And everyone could see that your fans were clogged with dirt and hair. That is the freaking reason why your laptop was reaching temps of 90C. Now, you had stated that you had only just applied Notura's thermal paste 15 days prior. Didn't you even bother to clean the freaking fans when you had done that? The amount of dirt and hair in those fans if from a long term use and the fans not being cleaned. Not from 15 days worth of use.
What you should have done was, stopped the video. Cleaned the fans and restated creating the video. But, this time with clean fans, and heatsinks, to show the true temps for that laptop. And then tested the PTM7950 and compared the results.
Now, this is something that you should already know. But, obviously you don't seem to. Laptops and Desktops get dirt, and hair, in them that eventually gets into the fans and stuck to the heatsinks. If you own a PC, whether a Desktop or Laptop, you are required to clean out the computer of any and all dirt, and hair, periodically, For a Desktop you need to clean it out at least once a year. But, if you live in a dusty environment. Then you need to every 6 months. For a Laptop, it is worst that than. You need to clean it out at least once every 6 months. But, realistically you need to do it at least once every 3-4 months. As a Laptop clogs up with dirt and hair quite quickly.
you should have replaced the pads on your memory - putting it back like you did is gonna f up your system badly
also if you wanted to be scientific you should have done a "fresh TIM" vs "fresh PTM7950" comparison. For your follow up you should use the "old TIM" vs "old PTM7950" and then compare them to the first 2 values - 4 values total.
i think linus tested this thing and while is quite impressive for what it is, is not really a life changer compared to thermal paste, what is a life changer and the future of laptops, is the membrane cooling system shown at CES 2023
performing just as well as liquid metal, getting better with age and not having to ever change it is not a life changer but a membrane that can only cool a few watts is. yeah. checks out.
@@Dave-kh6tx as well as liquid metal!?! liquid metal can decrease temp in up to 20°C, also, that membrane cooling system is just the beginning, but the testing can show you already how impressive it is, silent and powerful
@@NicolasSilvaVasault you're comparing a product that isn't available to public to something you haven't tested.
@@Dave-kh6tx is not available to public but there are literally documentation and testing for the product, why is that so hard to understand? th-cam.com/video/YGxTnGEAx3E/w-d-xo.html
@@NicolasSilvaVasault I understand fine. You don't understand. You're comparing vaporware to a product you have not used. Not only that if and when that membrane *releases* it's still a piss poor solution. Maybe fine for ultralight notebook CPUs or similar but that's it. What are you bragging about and standing on this hill for. You discounted a product that does just as well as liquid metal an outdoes it in longevity also for a little membrane that as of right now might be useful arm chops but is bigger than an arm soc. What don't you understand? Your crutches have crutches?
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