I worked for a competing distributor and Panasonic came to our facility to give us training. In fact the people in the video were actually the ones giving the training. The particular pad you were using is really only designed for lateral thermal transfer not thermal transfer through the sheet. In fact their page specifically lists heat diffusion as the main use for this pad. They have a separate product described as Graphite-PAD is a thermal interface material (TIM) that compatibly obtained excellent thermal conductivity in thickness direction (Z-axis direction). You may want to redo with one of the z axis pads.
What's the difference between lateral and normal thermal transfer? I'm new to all these, and frankly I'm looking to get a pad to attach a heatsink/fan to cool my camera externally.
Graphene reaches its highest thermal (and electrical) conductivity across the plane the carbon atoms are layered. In this application, you are only using a fraction of this material's capabilities
Leon Wolff it would be better off with a larger surface and combine with thermal paste in my opinion, that way the distribution of heat can be more effective for the cooling tower to manage
@Thunder Life it's material, the structure only transmits in one direction If you wanted to make it vertical, it would not hold its structure, and you would have to add a binder to keep them aligned, removing the heat transfer benefit
@Thunder Life It is due to the nanostructure of the material itself. The transport properties in plane are much better because the waves (electrons, phonons, etc) travel more easily between the carbons atoms (through the valence bonds). There is some vacuum in the z direction (out of plane) between the different graphene sheet (which are forming graphite). Those are only maintained together with VdW interactions. The transport properties in this direction are therefore less interesting (by several order of magnitude). Physical engineering student here
@@superslimanoniem4712 When he said it he didn't even know it doesn't work. If it did as good as Thermal Grizzly than the price is a steal considering safety and reusability
_Segue_ which means smooth transition. _Segway_ is a transporter pronounced the same way to allude to the word segue to imply that its a smooth transporter.
We actually use this in Central offices. We will have panels running 40KM SFP's (Long range fiber optic lasers) and we use these to spread the heat across a mass heatsink that then gets bucks of air blown through them. it increases laser life so much. an SFP that would need replacement within 5 years would last 15. EDIT: I should note, i am talking about national infrastructures. these guys work with petabytes of information, not terabytes.
@@squirky787 not sure, its not something I can personally show because of nondisclosure. Can't take any pictures of equipment or sites and share publicly.
@@joesphanlu3369 better polishing definitely, for a CPU though, liquid metal is much better. the graphene is actually sandwiched between the diodes and the shroud, another sheet is then applied to a Heat-sink (type and material depends on manufacturer and usage) that connects all diodes together into one large heat mass. some are entirely air-cooled while others use water to transfer heat to a radiator bank (usually directly connected to the Climate control) in my case, we just have a bunch of high voltage fans that push a couple thousand CFM of air through the chassis.
@@jmalmighty5433 Nope. Lipids are notoriously non-volatile. Also, if the heat sink is clamped down, there's nowhere for vapors to go even if they did. Any water is liable to corrode, etc. I'm just overly obsessive when it comes to electronics. Dust, oil, water, blah blah blah. Then again, Linus and Co. don't really have to worry, they have such a high material turnover it probably doesn't matter. But it's the principle of the matter for me XD
2:40 "You haven't even opened this, have you?" "No." "You have no idea if this will work." "Not at all." This is the best type of video: We're going to get to watch their successes and failures as they experience them.
What if someone made a CPU cooler with sheets of this stuff on the fins? A air CPU cooler works by having the heat pipes move the heat away from the CPU, and then the heat is spread along the fins of the cooler, which are cooled by the air moving over them. More heat pipes in a CPU cooler is better because it allows the heat to be more evenly distributed on the fins, since the heat concentrates more on the fins closer to where the heat pipes are. Since these sheets are supposed to transfer heat well, putting them on the fins of a CPU cooler may allow the heat from the heat pipes to spread more evenly along the fins, mimicking the increased cooling of having additional heat pipes. Can someone tell me if I'm theoretically right? Upvote to get Linus to test this.
This also depends on how good the interface material between the fins and the heat pipes is, as if that's the limiting factor then more heat pipes is the only answer.
Well, the issue is that you cant just solder graphite or graphene, to any heatpipe, like you can to with aluminium and copper, with a special solder. So it wouldn't have a proppper heat transfer anyway
The reason a lot of heatpipes are copper and the fins are aluminum is because while copper conducts heat more easily, aluminum radiates heat more easily into the air. These pads may be able to spread the heat out along a fin, but if it can't radiate the heat into the air, it'd be useless.
E1 Luchador also the underwear is pretty comfortable i didn’t buy it from ltt store dot com but i have some from the same manufacturer or whatever i got from a box thing and yeah they’re nice, so there’s that
You know i'd love to know if it works better with a lapped IHS and cooler plate, so you know it is getting solid contact & minimize the distance as much as possible Specially with how terrible the IHS on my 3950x was when i lapped it, i want the thermal pads to work!
As far as I'm aware, the reason this didn't work is because graphene conducts heat horizontally along the plane of the crystal lattice and actually isn't that good at conducting vertically through the different stacked layers of graphene
What Linus doesn't know is that, that material doesn't have the same heat transfer in all axis of its chrystal structure. Laterally, it performs great. Close to diamond. But vertically, it performs close to copper (about 1/5th the heat transfer laterally) So, he might as well be using a thin sheet of copper. You'd need to somehow take advantage of its lateral heat transfer.
Graphenes are good when it comes to their in-plane conduction, but not so much in the out-of-plane direction. So, I'd think that it will do exceptionally good to spread the heat where heat pipes are a non-option.
The biggest problem with it would be the fact that graphene is a great thermal conductor along the plane of each carbon layer, however the thermal conductivity between those layers is poor.
Everyone here is talking about the thermal conductivity of the material without even once considering the thermal conductivity of the interface, which is 100% of the reason you use thermal PASTE instead of a thermal wafer.
right? The whole point of a thermal interface material is for void fill with a conductive material, otherwise direct contact with no transfer material would be the best way to transfer heat. Something like this would work better under the die than on top of it so it would spread heat across the die better.
@@moribell1083 It will probably be soon. Making 1nm or close to 1nm die process chips are going to be made with carbon nanotubes. This probably could mean better heat dissipation and power efficiency. Slicon based chips at smaller processes have lead to Quantum tunneling so it's why carbon was chosen.
@@plebiansociety So you're saying we could sand/polish the contact points to a mirror finish (I'm guessing 10,000 grit) and not need paste? Have they tried that yet? After all, the IHS is just a piece of metal. There's no danger in polishing it. I mean lapping. You know those gauge blocks you can use to measure things, where you have to slide them together and they basically stick to each other by a lack of air between them? What if you did that.
8:21 I just had a flashback to raiding in World of Warcraft. We were doing heroic Cho'gall progression in Bastion of Twilight. We had wiped... I don't know how many times. And as we're rezzing and buffing, the raid leader says, "So... in reality, what we NEED to do is... I don't fucking know..."
When Linus said "can I do a 360" I thought "there's no way he can do that, they are gonna edit that or something" and then baaaam he does it, fucking amazing, what a display of skills, a true legend!
What people need to understand is: Why do we need something between the dissipator and the CPU? It is to "fill" the imperfection on both surfaces. You don't fill imperfections on a solid surface.... with another solid.
Well, you could, if it can deform enough under pressure, e.g. a soft metal foil with heavy screw pressure could make contact with the edges of a convex surface or center of a concave one, which is really the more important part. And some larger cavities could also be filled that way
I think they already did that. Although that was powdered diamond. Riley did it I think. The video was different things as thermal compound. Can't remember the name. They even used a toothpaste.....
Precaution of installation ■Do not handle with bare hands as there is a concern about performance degradation. ■Do not reuse this product after removal from the mounting board. ■Do not drop this product on the floor. If this product is dropped, it can be damaged mechanically. Avoid using the dropped product. ■This product is soft, do not rub or touch it with rough materials to avoid scratching it. ■Lines or folds in this product may affect thermal conductivity. ■Never touch a this product during use because it may be extremely hot. ■Use protective materials when handling and/or applying this product, do not use items with sharp edges as they might tear or puncture this product. ■Do not handle with bare hands as there is a concern about performance degradation. PS. Linus - this is serious technology - not circus... PLS lets ALEX test this pad again.
Linus: "[dual tower coolers] are so unwieldy" Alex: "But that's, like, part of the appeal tho..." Me, looking at the D15 cooling my Ryzen 5 2600X: "someone had to say it"
Have you guys considered using both at the same time? My hypothesis is that the liquid molecules can, because of their fluidity, go into the small imperfections on the CPU's integrated heat spreader; and the imperfections into the CPU coolings solutions contact area. So if you use a small amount of the liquid on the CPU, and put the PGS on top of it, and then put a small amount of the liquid over the sheet, and then mount the cooling solution on top of it. This seems like its worth trying.
The problem with this is that it only conducts heat really well in the x & y planes, not the z plane. It'd be really good for spreading heat out, but not for conducting it into another object above it. One thought I had was direct-die cooling with a waterblock, where this pad was on the waterblock and you used liquid metal between the direct CPU die and the thermal pad on the waterblock. liquid metal would do it's job to get heat away from the CPU, and the pad would act as a big-ass, super-thin IHS strapped to the waterblock.
Greetings. th-cam.com/video/gNRnrn5DE58/w-d-xo.html I had this nice video in my recommendeds earlier today. Maybe it will be a problem to actually mount the perfectly flat heatsink and IHS together the normal way. It looks like gauge blocks have to be kinda slided together. I will definitely try this when my workshop has evolved. :D godspeed
Get the version without adhesive, ive had it on my 2950X for over a year and it is overclocked to the max and doesn't go over 72C, it also really really helps to have a flat surface, this pad is thermally conductive on the horizontal plane more than the Z plane.
I have an HP pavilion 5030 from 1995. It was HPs first Multimedia PC. It is running a Pentium 75Mhz. It has a carbon heat pad between the CPU and the Heatsink. Years ahead of the curve. It does handle an overclock to 90Mhz with no fan, so there is something to carbon pads.
rawpie Comparing any desktop component to any laptop component is dumb tbh. My 970m gets to 95 degrees. But it’s also a laptop. Desktop cards aren’t supposed to get anywhere near that ever, plus they’re way bigger and are in a giant open box basically where air can circulate.
I sometimes think if one of the manufacturers would release a CPU with surface integrated with a radiator base ,which would rid the need of a thermal conductor. It would mean that you couldn't replace the cooler ,but if they make it top-tier(probably for a flagship ,as that would justify their expense) ,you wouldn't need to.
One thing I always enjoy about your channel is you folks are always trying new things that you find. I’ve learned so much just from you all messing around and experimenting, thank you for that.
Same. I remember thinking about my own PC's thermal paste and thinking "wow, so it won't get old!", considering doing it for convenience since thermal paste kinda scares me due to my inexperience with it. How time flies.
Wouldn't even consider this for cooling electronics, but did use this as a Tim for mounting a heatsink on an large bore AR barrel (this allows for longer periods of sustained fire, as excessive heat will cause malfunctions or even catastrophic failure). Thermal epoxy was used to fill the gaps on the sink/radiator side, and this makes for an extremely durable and heat tolerant Tim, especially suited to applications where longevity matters far more than thermal conductivity. It does become single-use at that point though. The barrel radiator/sink in reference here is the "Thermal Dissipator" from JP Enterprises, for those curious.
Well after a bit of a hectic search, the image is from shutterstock by a contributor known as Chuyuss, in a gallery centered around China. The image itself is tagged nuclear, notably the only one out of several other Powerplants they have images of. Only one where the location isn't marked either... not sure if there's a connection there.
Graphite sheet has two types of conductivity, horizontal / vertical. Of course it is in datasheet, but Linus would never say in the beginning. Because you know why.
@@РусяОгризок because there would be no video. It's a physical property. It's a fun video, but with sufficient information it was absolutely arbitrary.
It's called anisotropic heat conduction. Basically, because of the microscopic structure of layered graphite, the carbon rings have véry good conduction to their neighbouring, networked carbon rings. Alas the inter-layer conductivity is quite poor, because there is some sort of (electron) vacuum in between subsequent layers. So basically, we create giant networked sheets of carbon rings, that are tightly coupled. These tight couplings conduct heat very well. But inter-carbon-network conductivity when stacked upon each other is very poor.
Interestingly, this would be solved by using diamond instead, because diamond does have vertical interlinking between the carbon atoms aswell, e.g. i.stack.imgur.com/zytVR.jpg . Sadly, this is practically not really feasible.
The craftmanship and elegance with which Linus applied the pad to the heat sink, i wonder the CPU didn't shut down immediately. It looks like a friken moon crater landscape ....
hey Linus, since this pad conducts the heat laterally, I think it might work much better if you will stick it to the cpu and then, use some thermal compound on top of it, so that the generated heat will be transferred laterally very quickly
Linus: “This Thermal compound can cool with 1950W/m*k!” Me: I wanna buy that!! But might be too expensive! Website: Here is another episode of “I can buy the sh*t Linus shows”
This video and the properties of the graphene sheets had my mind thinking of different uses and applications of that product. I think I've recognized how you COULD use it to better the thermals of a CPU. There is only so much contact surface between a CPU and the heat sink above it. The sections connected with the thermal paste is certainly going to be subjected to thermal saturation, where the material will lose thermal capacity at that spot until the thermal energy present dissipates into the surrounding material. We'll use copper as the example. The contact patch of the copper to the CPU can only absorb so much heat while waiting for it to spread to the rest of the copper of the heat sink via heat pipes or just more copper. Now, here's where the graphene could help. You mentioned that the graphene sheets have an uncanny ability to transport thermal energy and spread it out over the distance of the sheet's dimensions very quickly. So, an idea would be to apply it in this format : CPU > thermal compound > graphene > thermal compound > heat sink. The graphene sheet and heat sink contact surface could then, theoretically, be made quite wide (within the supporting boundaries of the CPU case and motherboard components). Let's say that a 2" x 2" CPU is outputting 200W of heat, thus 50W per square inch. If you took that same 2"x2" CPU and used the graphene to spread the heat out to a 4"x4" heat sink contact patch, you'd get like 12.5W per square inch of heat. Therefore, the copper shouldn't reach thermal saturation as easily, and may maintain it's thermal conductivity efficiency better. If you ever decide to return to this product, I'd love to see you experiment with this suggested setup.
we actually use graphite tape as a thermal transfer in glass blowing. Cept its cut into a roll like tape. i tear a bit off and use it to keep temps the same between to pieces of glass that are touching but not meant to be melted together.
Panasonic make a soft PGS graphite pad 0.2mm thick that has a thermal conductivity of 28W/m-K in the Z direction suitable for a CPU, would be interesting to see a follow up using a material actually designed for this purpose.
No matter how conductive it is it won’t increase cooling compared to not having an extra layer present. The purpose of thermal paste/pads is to fill the gaps between two separate metal objects, like the IHS and the cooler.
@@CoconutMigrating I'm thinking more for moving heat throughout the fins. That's similar to the idea of using it to move heat on the nose cone of space ships on reentry. not to increase the dissipation. The concept being airflow not hitting all areas on fins equally.
Many people forgot that the main goal of using the thermal paste - removing the air from the gap between cpu and cooler. Air is a good thermal insulator. So thin pads would work if only you make the surfaces ideal. [sorry for my bad english]
I worked for a competing distributor and Panasonic came to our facility to give us training. In fact the people in the video were actually the ones giving the training. The particular pad you were using is really only designed for lateral thermal transfer not thermal transfer through the sheet. In fact their page specifically lists heat diffusion as the main use for this pad.
They have a separate product described as Graphite-PAD is a thermal interface material (TIM) that compatibly obtained excellent thermal conductivity in thickness direction (Z-axis direction). You may want to redo with one of the z axis pads.
This needs more attention. Completely underrated
Agreed
so...we should get graphite-pad instead???
@linus
What's the difference between lateral and normal thermal transfer? I'm new to all these, and frankly I'm looking to get a pad to attach a heatsink/fan to cool my camera externally.
Always remember what the Verge taught you: The more paste the better!
Me when i see this POLICE POLICE CATCH THIS CPU DESTROYER POLICE HEEELP
Remember to "ziptie" your nuts to your pc case but to not forget the extra paste to make optimal nut cooling efficiency
Paste soup
“It’s good PC building practice to use a little extra”
Use nuttela instead
Graphene reaches its highest thermal (and electrical) conductivity across the plane the carbon atoms are layered.
In this application, you are only using a fraction of this material's capabilities
Also, the heat dissipation may be throttled by the heat spreader they're using. That's some pretty basic stuff.
Exactly, graphite conductivity through different layers is poor. That's basic chemistry
So how should they've used it instead?
Leon Wolff it would be better off with a larger surface and combine with thermal paste in my opinion, that way the distribution of heat can be more effective for the cooling tower to manage
@@hongluzhang7771 So the paste on top of the pad between the cooler and the pad?
Fun fact: i've got a valve in the aorta of my heart made of that stuff. Glad to figure out i can re-purpose it as a cooling pad down the line!
damn thats pretty interesting!
Could get a little 'messy' ... 😂😂
once you transcend the need for a heart
Wait why if you don’t mind me askin
@@ValSX because he's got a heart problem, possibly.
Graphite tends to conduct more laterally than through its thickness. I suspect that's what you're running into.
Time to stack a trillion sheet, put them sideway, cut the thing. A thick pad of vertical sheet. Conductivity from the dye to the cooler
@Thunder Life it's material, the structure only transmits in one direction
If you wanted to make it vertical, it would not hold its structure, and you would have to add a binder to keep them aligned, removing the heat transfer benefit
@Thunder Life It is due to the nanostructure of the material itself. The transport properties in plane are much better because the waves (electrons, phonons, etc) travel more easily between the carbons atoms (through the valence bonds). There is some vacuum in the z direction (out of plane) between the different graphene sheet (which are forming graphite). Those are only maintained together with VdW interactions. The transport properties in this direction are therefore less interesting (by several order of magnitude).
Physical engineering student here
@@MrPoPoTe09 This is pretty overkill for a small question. Still nice to see.✔️
Yeah i was thinking the same Fergy
Linus : "we spent 40 $ on this little pack?!!?! :O "
Linus : "so i ordered 6 BlackMagic 12K cameras"
If he cringes at the price, he actually paid for it.
If he doesn't bat an eye, he got it for free.
I mean 40 $ is a lot for this stuff...
Superslim Anoniem especially since it doesnt work. its whatever because it was interesting enough to make a video out of it to make profit
@@superslimanoniem4712 When he said it he didn't even know it doesn't work. If it did as good as Thermal Grizzly than the price is a steal considering safety and reusability
@@AsianCole yep its a very cheap outlay to be able to make a video on it
MKBHD: I will try to do a smooth segue like linus does
Linus: *360 no scope segue*
Do you mean segue
Oh that is how it is spelt
I thought it was segway lol
You mean segway?
_Segue_ which means smooth transition. _Segway_ is a transporter pronounced the same way to allude to the word segue to imply that its a smooth transporter.
@@mad_max21 If you look at Linus there is not a soul that would think that segway is a SMOOTH transporter
We actually use this in Central offices. We will have panels running 40KM SFP's (Long range fiber optic lasers) and we use these to spread the heat across a mass heatsink that then gets bucks of air blown through them. it increases laser life so much. an SFP that would need replacement within 5 years would last 15. EDIT: I should note, i am talking about national infrastructures. these guys work with petabytes of information, not terabytes.
Is there pictures of what this looks like?
@@squirky787 not sure, its not something I can personally show because of nondisclosure. Can't take any pictures of equipment or sites and share publicly.
@@RKSNomad Okay! No problem. I totally understand.
What is he missing here? My best guess is that he has to polish both the heatsink and the cpu. Please, I am curious.
@@joesphanlu3369 better polishing definitely, for a CPU though, liquid metal is much better. the graphene is actually sandwiched between the diodes and the shroud, another sheet is then applied to a Heat-sink (type and material depends on manufacturer and usage) that connects all diodes together into one large heat mass. some are entirely air-cooled while others use water to transfer heat to a radiator bank (usually directly connected to the Climate control) in my case, we just have a bunch of high voltage fans that push a couple thousand CFM of air through the chassis.
As a chemist, I always hate watching Linus do this stuff without wearing any gloves. The idea of fingerprint oil getting on that sheet is maddening!!!
Would that cause degradation in the test?
@@unwiseproductions definitely
Man, I’m not even a chemist, but that makes a ton of sense
wouldnt any oils on his skin be instantly vaporized off of that sheet when heated to 100c.
@@jmalmighty5433 Nope. Lipids are notoriously non-volatile. Also, if the heat sink is clamped down, there's nowhere for vapors to go even if they did. Any water is liable to corrode, etc. I'm just overly obsessive when it comes to electronics. Dust, oil, water, blah blah blah. Then again, Linus and Co. don't really have to worry, they have such a high material turnover it probably doesn't matter. But it's the principle of the matter for me XD
Today: “We spent 40$ on this little pad?!” Literally a few days ago: “I will pay 10,000$ to the first person who sends me this 12 year old monitor.”
lol
Where did he say this?
@Conman_123 A recent video about an old huge curved display (one that used 3 rear projectors)
You can get 1 and 1/3 water bottles for $40
@@Conman123Official th-cam.com/video/Ox-phY_86WE/w-d-xo.html
Linus mad about spending $40 on thermal pad but he just killed a i9 then bought a new one
2 new ones
Its sad because its expensive for its use so it was better using liqud metal. Which is cheaper
All of it is business expense so he's getting a tax cut anyways.
@@_marcimo_ not cheaper. MUCH cheaper
2:40 "You haven't even opened this, have you?"
"No."
"You have no idea if this will work."
"Not at all."
This is the best type of video: We're going to get to watch their successes and failures as they experience them.
Redacted, of course
Yea, because they can't try it and edit out the first attempt. I bet you think reality tv is live.
@@paulweston8184 ikr. gullible people. smh
They buy two so they can test, then write the script for the video and open the "new" product that they have definitely "not seen" before
@@paulweston8184 Even then, this kind of scripts are really nice. Be it staged or not.
1:29 - 'It's Man Made, Can't be found in nature', I guess I won't be adding it to my PC then, I only use purely Natural components in my build.
Hmm "It can't be found in nature", then where the hell did it come from? everything made (even us) comes from nature (Earth)
@@wembley636 it means that it has to be made in a lab
Bootgamer Er or space
@@polygorg Hi Bootgamer Er, I do get that :) but everything made either in a lab or otherwise is from the Earth... thanks for the reply btw...
Made of unnatural elements?
What if someone made a CPU cooler with sheets of this stuff on the fins?
A air CPU cooler works by having the heat pipes move the heat away from the CPU, and then the heat is spread along the fins of the cooler, which are cooled by the air moving over them. More heat pipes in a CPU cooler is better because it allows the heat to be more evenly distributed on the fins, since the heat concentrates more on the fins closer to where the heat pipes are.
Since these sheets are supposed to transfer heat well, putting them on the fins of a CPU cooler may allow the heat from the heat pipes to spread more evenly along the fins, mimicking the increased cooling of having additional heat pipes.
Can someone tell me if I'm theoretically right? Upvote to get Linus to test this.
I came here to comment this exact same idea.
This also depends on how good the interface material between the fins and the heat pipes is, as if that's the limiting factor then more heat pipes is the only answer.
Dude price
Well, the issue is that you cant just solder graphite or graphene, to any heatpipe, like you can to with aluminium and copper, with a special solder.
So it wouldn't have a proppper heat transfer anyway
The reason a lot of heatpipes are copper and the fins are aluminum is because while copper conducts heat more easily, aluminum radiates heat more easily into the air. These pads may be able to spread the heat out along a fin, but if it can't radiate the heat into the air, it'd be useless.
10:23 I'm sorry but what is going on with Linus's Apples on his neck
Lizard person confirmed.
I always suspected Linus was just a host to an alien life form.
Holy shit, that's pretty unsettling.
OH MY GOD WHAT DID I JUST SAW
I am genuinely confused... Wtf
I love that even as Linus gets older he has the spirit of an energetic teen. Always entertaining to watch.
Bro he’s like 30 that’s not even old, that’s not even half his life
@ToXic_BoT so, by your logic, a newborn baby is also considered old?
As you get older you feel younger mentally only your body gets older
You mean a testosterone starving mid transition female to male teen.
@@zachconner2686 Could be, everyone in my family dies at around 60.
Linus: "This pad cost $40!? Pikachu face"
Also Linus "Buy my $30 dollar water bottle!"
For the quality of those water bottles that's not a bad price... Look at similar performing water bottles from big name brands.
E1 Luchador also the underwear is pretty comfortable
i didn’t buy it from ltt store dot com but i have some from the same manufacturer or whatever i got from a box thing and yeah they’re nice, so there’s that
I mean... at least its a Water Bottle... but a sheet? a pad?
@@luchador5341 nah, I'm good.
E1 Luchador what do you mean similar performing water bottles? it’s a water bottle what makes it better not trying to be rude just genuinely curious
Linus: "Nobody advertised this as great for this"
Title: "God-Teir Thermal Pad"
But it's not advertised for computers, thing you would know if you watched the video
Plus the title wasn't originally god-Teir, they originally had it up with the heat transfer capacity of the pad
@@xxportalxx. yeah, they probably changed it for people who wouldn't understand what it means and what the difference is
I'm using a graphite carbon Nano tube thermal pad wonder how it compares?
Then again I'm only playing with 17 watts
You know i'd love to know if it works better with a lapped IHS and cooler plate, so you know it is getting solid contact & minimize the distance as much as possible
Specially with how terrible the IHS on my 3950x was when i lapped it, i want the thermal pads to work!
This is what I came here to say.
Thirded (Mike Goggin beat me to it).
But, I'm also looking forward to a solid diamond heat sink.
As far as I'm aware, the reason this didn't work is because graphene conducts heat horizontally along the plane of the crystal lattice and actually isn't that good at conducting vertically through the different stacked layers of graphene
Hi Nordern how are you doing?
What Linus doesn't know is that, that material doesn't have the same heat transfer in all axis of its chrystal structure.
Laterally, it performs great. Close to diamond.
But vertically, it performs close to copper (about 1/5th the heat transfer laterally)
So, he might as well be using a thin sheet of copper.
You'd need to somehow take advantage of its lateral heat transfer.
Graphenes are good when it comes to their in-plane conduction, but not so much in the out-of-plane direction. So, I'd think that it will do exceptionally good to spread the heat where heat pipes are a non-option.
10:23 What's going on with that neck?!! That shadow really looks like some parasite lives in Linus' neck a makes his voice go octaves higher.
Holy **** xD
Wtf
I want to unsee that.
@@MultiZymethSK me too
@@MultiZymethSK do you have unsee juice?
That huge monitor in the back makes Linus look like a small child...
its not the monitor doing that
Linus is actually edited in post in every video. His actual height is rumored to be around 4'2 or 4'3
a small child with a beard none the less...
A MAN CHILD!
Which monitor is that tho?
Here's an idea: apply this to spread the heat and then thermal paste to conduct it.
You'd have to apply compound on both sides and at that point it seems redundant
Bebopopotamus the adhesive should be enough for one side of the interface since the material will conform to the first side.
There is a problem: I bet that Linus does not see this.
That would be really interesting to see on a Ryzen 3000 CPU with the die sitting on the side rather than in the middle of the heat spreader.
Tbh I'm surprised nobody has tried lapping the IHS and cooler face and soldering the cooler to the IHS.
Linus: Wait, we spent $40 on this little pad?
*Has mild stroke*
How much is thermal paste?
@@PoleTooke usually 5 bucks for single useage
*builds a $100k overkill pc*
I'm clearly missing the point here because alex says that the thing is 7.50 dollar so how did it become 40 dollars? Is it the fucking shipping?
@@tuttuti123 That is very possible
"From here things get loose and probably weird."
Lmfao the off the cuff content is what I come to LTT for!
Not surprising it has similar thermal conductivity as diamond since they're both near perfect carbon crystals
since the problem is probably the contact surface being uneven
...
you could put some thermal paste on it to bridge the gap
wait.
The biggest problem with it would be the fact that graphene is a great thermal conductor along the plane of each carbon layer, however the thermal conductivity between those layers is poor.
This would actually be a cool concept to test, since we know that the die actually heats unevenly.
Everyone here is talking about the thermal conductivity of the material without even once considering the thermal conductivity of the interface, which is 100% of the reason you use thermal PASTE instead of a thermal wafer.
right? The whole point of a thermal interface material is for void fill with a conductive material, otherwise direct contact with no transfer material would be the best way to transfer heat. Something like this would work better under the die than on top of it so it would spread heat across the die better.
Think a cpu made of this shit would be cool?
@@moribell1083 It will probably be soon. Making 1nm or close to 1nm die process chips are going to be made with carbon nanotubes. This probably could mean better heat dissipation and power efficiency. Slicon based chips at smaller processes have lead to Quantum tunneling so it's why carbon was chosen.
@@plebiansociety So you're saying we could sand/polish the contact points to a mirror finish (I'm guessing 10,000 grit) and not need paste? Have they tried that yet? After all, the IHS is just a piece of metal. There's no danger in polishing it. I mean lapping. You know those gauge blocks you can use to measure things, where you have to slide them together and they basically stick to each other by a lack of air between them? What if you did that.
@@StapleCactus yes, it's called cold welding if you want to look it up. You'd just never be able to separate the chip from the cooler.
8:21 I just had a flashback to raiding in World of Warcraft. We were doing heroic Cho'gall progression in Bastion of Twilight. We had wiped... I don't know how many times. And as we're rezzing and buffing, the raid leader says, "So... in reality, what we NEED to do is... I don't fucking know..."
Raiding in Cata, I see you are a man of culture
Damn I enjoyed t11...
"Can I do a 360 during this sponsor segue? Is it even possible?"
"Linus wtf..."
*LINUS SPINS*
Ooga booga booga
Put the product in the title. You've gone back to clickbait crap!
I just learned how to spell segue lol
@@bobbyflay4104 I thought it was Segway lmaooooooooooooo
And now a bunch of you are talking about the sponsor segue. The plan is working.
Thank you Linus, I have been watching you for 5 years and now my voice sounds like yours.
Bro you need help
Were you born yesterday? That voice doesn't normally come out of a teenager or adult
god 2018 linus looked like gollum, i can't stress enough how much better he looks with his current hair and beard
Previous Video: Bricks two 9900k CPUs, nbd
This Video: We paid $40 dollars for this?
I think he was mad at how little it cost :D
The real Question: What happens when Linus drops it?
Very very slowly fall or float lol
It's linus proof, the creator made it so that it would gently float to the floor.
@@SpaceDroplet AMD needs to implement this technology in their CPUs and GPUs
@@devindykstra Really I Enjoyed the Video ☺☺
Happy Sunday 👱
Or doesn't read the directions, screws it up part way through, shrugs and continues on.
10:23
careful Linus, your alien gills are showing.
Holy shit, thank you dude! *I HATE IT... I cannot unsee that now...*
I don’t see it
@@cusscuss2536 Look at his neck, around the collar of his shirt.
Wtf?
what the hell was that on his neck ?! This are not shadows ...
10:47 “You will *loose* any unsaved information in all applications.”
"the most thermally conductive substance in the world is a diamond with up to 2300 W/(m*k)"
Laughs in Graphene (up to 5300 W/(m*k))
Laughs in heatpipe (50,000W/mk)
@@isuzuhombre-lx7jr Heat pipe gang
When Linus said "can I do a 360" I thought "there's no way he can do that, they are gonna edit that or something" and then baaaam he does it, fucking amazing, what a display of skills, a true legend!
A 360 is not the hardwst thing to do...
@@ixigamer1337 it's pretty hard bro👁️👄👁️
Just unleashing his inner Jeremy Fragrance
Linus: we don’t know how this is made
1 sec later: *explains rocket science*
Made from graphite and is then flattened and they changed the atoms or something like that into a hexagonal shape (I think).
What people need to understand is: Why do we need something between the dissipator and the CPU?
It is to "fill" the imperfection on both surfaces.
You don't fill imperfections on a solid surface.... with another solid.
Well, you could, if it can deform enough under pressure, e.g. a soft metal foil with heavy screw pressure could make contact with the edges of a convex surface or center of a concave one, which is really the more important part. And some larger cavities could also be filled that way
"I like how its just, 'Here's the plan,' and then nothing"
The link is never at the bottom when they talk about other TH-cam channels and say the video link is below.
A diamond you say 🤔 I request a ltt video where y’all cut a diamond sheet and used it as a thermal stone
I think they already did that. Although that was powdered diamond. Riley did it I think. The video was different things as thermal compound. Can't remember the name. They even used a toothpaste.....
they explained that it needs to fill the little gaps
the hole point of a thermal compound is to be fluid
@@ananyaig twice actually.... they also tested thermal epoxy from Tech Ingredients which is also a blend of micro diamond and other materials.
Precaution of installation
■Do not handle with bare hands as there is a concern about performance degradation.
■Do not reuse this product after removal from the mounting board.
■Do not drop this product on the floor. If this product is dropped, it can be damaged mechanically.
Avoid using the dropped product.
■This product is soft, do not rub or touch it with rough materials to avoid scratching it.
■Lines or folds in this product may affect thermal conductivity.
■Never touch a this product during use because it may be extremely hot.
■Use protective materials when handling and/or applying this product, do not use items with sharp
edges as they might tear or puncture this product.
■Do not handle with bare hands as there is a concern about performance degradation.
PS. Linus - this is serious technology - not circus... PLS lets ALEX test this pad again.
Wth is going on with linus his neck on 10:23
wtf? That's not human.
Linus is Reptilian in disguise.
TF is going on?!
wtf
Wtf that is actually creepy as hell
Whenever somone asks : "Is that even possible?"
The answer is always "Yes" while picturing Giorgio A. Tsoukalos
Linus: "[dual tower coolers] are so unwieldy"
Alex: "But that's, like, part of the appeal tho..."
Me, looking at the D15 cooling my Ryzen 5 2600X: "someone had to say it"
Meanwhile, i look at my clunky D14, thinking of the two Delta PFR's that were in there once upon a time.... Clunky is better?
Have you guys considered using both at the same time? My hypothesis is that the liquid molecules can, because of their fluidity, go into the small imperfections on the CPU's integrated heat spreader; and the imperfections into the CPU coolings solutions contact area. So if you use a small amount of the liquid on the CPU, and put the PGS on top of it, and then put a small amount of the liquid over the sheet, and then mount the cooling solution on top of it. This seems like its worth trying.
the paste shreds apart the sheet.
"I have concern about the thickness." -LinusSebastian2020
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Next attempt: Lap the IHS and the cooler to make sure they're perfectly flat.
The problem with this is that it only conducts heat really well in the x & y planes, not the z plane. It'd be really good for spreading heat out, but not for conducting it into another object above it.
One thought I had was direct-die cooling with a waterblock, where this pad was on the waterblock and you used liquid metal between the direct CPU die and the thermal pad on the waterblock. liquid metal would do it's job to get heat away from the CPU, and the pad would act as a big-ass, super-thin IHS strapped to the waterblock.
Greetings.
th-cam.com/video/gNRnrn5DE58/w-d-xo.html
I had this nice video in my recommendeds earlier today.
Maybe it will be a problem to actually mount the perfectly flat heatsink and IHS together the normal way. It looks like gauge blocks have to be kinda slided together.
I will definitely try this when my workshop has evolved. :D
godspeed
@@Crazyates11 Mak this a normal comment and let this linus see
You missed the opportunity to say that it is "Running in the '90s"
"A little over our heads" goes on to explain perfectly
Always assume you are wrong
@@Mark_badas many decisions in life you can't be hesitant about, you can't always assume you are wrong.
"Can I do a 360 during out sponsor segue?" Does IT! SOLD.
Yeah was that a reference? I thought it to be a bit too random.
10:22 - Linus straight up turned into a frog for a min
10:24 whoa look at Linus's neck it looks so weird from that angle.
clearly reptilian
Cancer
"Cause you just missed the 90-s that much"
and the most heart warming smile I've seen from him in the last 5 years :D
Was anyone else jump scared by how quickly linus starts talking? I hadn't even finished clicking the video?
I love how Linus exagerrates the cost of $40 talking to a >$80000 red camera 😂
or casually builds $30 and even $100k computers.
Get the version without adhesive, ive had it on my 2950X for over a year and it is overclocked to the max and doesn't go over 72C, it also really really helps to have a flat surface, this pad is thermally conductive on the horizontal plane more than the Z plane.
Hi. Which product number are you using?
I have an HP pavilion 5030 from 1995. It was HPs first Multimedia PC. It is running a Pentium 75Mhz. It has a carbon heat pad between the CPU and the Heatsink. Years ahead of the curve. It does handle an overclock to 90Mhz with no fan, so there is something to carbon pads.
5:38 "Loose and probably weird. That sounds about right!"
Linus fully understands what he's known for.
He always have done I think...
That's what I think of the quiet girl who rides her bike to school.
10:23 when you need a place to safely store your golf balls.
Legit tho is this an anomaly with recording or is Linus a lizard overlord
He's a lizard
Yes, I would really like to run my computer at 90 degrees.
I'm using a macbook air.
When a overclocked RTX 2070 has less heat, air cooled than a macbook. bruh
rawpie
Comparing any desktop component to any laptop component is dumb tbh. My 970m gets to 95 degrees. But it’s also a laptop. Desktop cards aren’t supposed to get anywhere near that ever, plus they’re way bigger and are in a giant open box basically where air can circulate.
I sometimes think if one of the manufacturers would release a CPU with surface integrated with a radiator base ,which would rid the need of a thermal conductor.
It would mean that you couldn't replace the cooler ,but if they make it top-tier(probably for a flagship ,as that would justify their expense) ,you wouldn't need to.
damn you Linus, I busted my ass trying to do a 360 on my hard wood floor
Linus Sponsor Spins
1:46
*Great! Now every time I see Thor, I'm gonna call him 1760th of Atmospheric pressure.*
its tor not thor
@@mayukhtunga5307 It's actually torr, not "tor".
It's torr, and it's equal to 1mm of mercury at room temperature
@@mayukhtunga5307 r/whooosh
And it is 1/760th of an atmospheric pressure
10:22
What happened there?
Look at his neck.
I knew it . Hes a Alien
mcghanconcrete is right, it’s his gills that help him breathe oxygen in the earth’s environment.
Wtfffffff????
Deepfake Linus??
Is timestamping correctly way too fucking hard for you?
Lizard people made it to canada confirmed
One thing I always enjoy about your channel is you folks are always trying new things that you find. I’ve learned so much just from you all messing around and experimenting, thank you for that.
8:21 Linus: "So here's the plan..."
>wait for it...
>all staff during the shoot
>bgm starts and you still haven't said the plan
5:08 Daww, look at the beardless baby Linus.
13:15 Aww, man.. i really thought I was gonna get my Very own Linus
Nice to see Ting as a sponsor again, I've been using it since it was last advertised here.
3:51: that's what my grandma said when we visited her during the holidays (and then proceeded to prepare food for me)
I can imagine and relate with that!
My grandma for some reason always cooks even tho there is food on the table
"A bit over our heads"
*proceeds to explain process in detail*
5:12 omg it's been THAT long since that video? It feels like yesterday to me
Same. I remember thinking about my own PC's thermal paste and thinking "wow, so it won't get old!", considering doing it for convenience since thermal paste kinda scares me due to my inexperience with it.
How time flies.
Your display is so cool and responsive to the point it's so nice even to watch it from my phone
I was just watching "Wide Putin." This is an excellent transition.
When you are so early that there are no funny roasts about linus....
damn
Wooow i laughed sooo much
That is the true fun of omg videos
I saw numbers in the title and thought I was watching a gamer’s nexus video, and yet I love it.
Wouldn't even consider this for cooling electronics, but did use this as a Tim for mounting a heatsink on an large bore AR barrel (this allows for longer periods of sustained fire, as excessive heat will cause malfunctions or even catastrophic failure). Thermal epoxy was used to fill the gaps on the sink/radiator side, and this makes for an extremely durable and heat tolerant Tim, especially suited to applications where longevity matters far more than thermal conductivity. It does become single-use at that point though. The barrel radiator/sink in reference here is the "Thermal Dissipator" from JP Enterprises, for those curious.
they used to use graphite back in the day. i remember loosening the nuts on my old server processor to find just a graphite pad.
Well I gotta say, that's a lotta voltage.
No point doing thermal tests with a low output source... the higher the heat, the bigger the differences measured
8:22 Linus: Here's the plan
Also Linus: We have no plan
ALL RIGHT BOIS THE PLAN IS SIMPLE! WE HAVE NO PLAN......
It's amazing how linus can make the most menial task seem so difficult.
4:05 Nuclear reactors... then shows cooling towers common to all electricity plants.
Blame the Simpsons
Well after a bit of a hectic search, the image is from shutterstock by a contributor known as Chuyuss, in a gallery centered around China. The image itself is tagged nuclear, notably the only one out of several other Powerplants they have images of. Only one where the location isn't marked either... not sure if there's a connection there.
Graphite sheet has two types of conductivity, horizontal / vertical.
Of course it is in datasheet, but Linus would never say in the beginning.
Because you know why.
could u explain?i can't even think of any reason not to say this
@@РусяОгризок to clickbait
@@РусяОгризок because there would be no video. It's a physical property. It's a fun video, but with sufficient information it was absolutely arbitrary.
It's called anisotropic heat conduction. Basically, because of the microscopic structure of layered graphite, the carbon rings have véry good conduction to their neighbouring, networked carbon rings. Alas the inter-layer conductivity is quite poor, because there is some sort of (electron) vacuum in between subsequent layers. So basically, we create giant networked sheets of carbon rings, that are tightly coupled. These tight couplings conduct heat very well. But inter-carbon-network conductivity when stacked upon each other is very poor.
Interestingly, this would be solved by using diamond instead, because diamond does have vertical interlinking between the carbon atoms aswell, e.g. i.stack.imgur.com/zytVR.jpg . Sadly, this is practically not really feasible.
9:24 I think Linus was having a stroke there
I don't see any golf clubs....and he is not on the golf course......oh....never mind. Thank you Emily Lattella.
The craftmanship and elegance with which Linus applied the pad to the heat sink, i wonder the CPU didn't shut down immediately. It looks like a friken moon crater landscape ....
hey Linus, since this pad conducts the heat laterally, I think it might work much better if you will stick it to the cpu and then, use some thermal compound on top of it, so that the generated heat will be transferred laterally very quickly
Saw it in my recommendations before notifications.
Good job TH-cam.
Big Brother takes care of its minions.
Thanks! We do our job well.
Google Services Did you make that account or change your profile JUST for that reply? xD
Linus: “This Thermal compound can cool with 1950W/m*k!”
Me: I wanna buy that!! But might be too expensive!
Website: Here is another episode of “I can buy the sh*t Linus shows”
SIKE.....I don’t have a PC but would love to have on
I’m on PS4
Ok
@@Dubsketti put it on your ps4 ;-)
Lorenzo nah, it’s outdated
This video and the properties of the graphene sheets had my mind thinking of different uses and applications of that product. I think I've recognized how you COULD use it to better the thermals of a CPU. There is only so much contact surface between a CPU and the heat sink above it. The sections connected with the thermal paste is certainly going to be subjected to thermal saturation, where the material will lose thermal capacity at that spot until the thermal energy present dissipates into the surrounding material. We'll use copper as the example. The contact patch of the copper to the CPU can only absorb so much heat while waiting for it to spread to the rest of the copper of the heat sink via heat pipes or just more copper.
Now, here's where the graphene could help. You mentioned that the graphene sheets have an uncanny ability to transport thermal energy and spread it out over the distance of the sheet's dimensions very quickly. So, an idea would be to apply it in this format : CPU > thermal compound > graphene > thermal compound > heat sink. The graphene sheet and heat sink contact surface could then, theoretically, be made quite wide (within the supporting boundaries of the CPU case and motherboard components). Let's say that a 2" x 2" CPU is outputting 200W of heat, thus 50W per square inch. If you took that same 2"x2" CPU and used the graphene to spread the heat out to a 4"x4" heat sink contact patch, you'd get like 12.5W per square inch of heat. Therefore, the copper shouldn't reach thermal saturation as easily, and may maintain it's thermal conductivity efficiency better.
If you ever decide to return to this product, I'd love to see you experiment with this suggested setup.
I loved his smile at the end ☺️
Me : so it’s all been thermal paste The Verge : Always has been 🔫 👩🚀
Oh man, Linus just did 360° trickshot segue!
we actually use graphite tape as a thermal transfer in glass blowing. Cept its cut into a roll like tape. i tear a bit off and use it to keep temps the same between to pieces of glass that are touching but not meant to be melted together.
Panasonic make a soft PGS graphite pad 0.2mm thick that has a thermal conductivity of 28W/m-K in the Z direction suitable for a CPU, would be interesting to see a follow up using a material actually designed for this purpose.
0:52 "Ting wants you save money"
Me: ok not buying that subscription.
@HYPERBARIC more expensive than internet package here
16 bucks equals 240k rupiahs
And for 1gb package that's a lot.
Why not try to use this stuff on the grill/fins of your cooler? That's much more in-line with the intended use case and could enhance cooling.
No matter how conductive it is it won’t increase cooling compared to not having an extra layer present. The purpose of thermal paste/pads is to fill the gaps between two separate metal objects, like the IHS and the cooler.
@@CoconutMigrating I'm thinking more for moving heat throughout the fins. That's similar to the idea of using it to move heat on the nose cone of space ships on reentry. not to increase the dissipation. The concept being airflow not hitting all areas on fins equally.
Many people forgot that the main goal of using the thermal paste - removing the air from the gap between cpu and cooler. Air is a good thermal insulator. So thin pads would work if only you make the surfaces ideal.
[sorry for my bad english]