Sony PS5 HDMI 2.1 Bandwidth is Capped at 32Gbps (vs Xbox Series X 40Gbps)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ย. 2020
- We analysed the HDMI 2.1 output from the Sony PS5 (Playstation 5) console, and found that the maximum bandwidth it can deliver either at 4K@60Hz or 4K@120Hz is currently 32Gbps, which is lower than the 40Gbps HDMI 2.1 bandwidth on the Xbox Series X.
Calculations: 4K@60Hz at 12-bit RGB = 32Gbps (8Gbps at 4 Lanes)
4K@120Hz at 12-bit 4:2:2 = 32Gbps (8Gbps at 4 Lanes)
Japanese teardown of Sony PS5, revealing HDMI 2.1 chipset from Panasonic Semiconductor Solutions/ Nuvoton Technology (MN864739):
www.4gamer.net/games/990/G999...
We are not sure if this Panasonic chipset is capable of 40Gbps or 48Gbps.
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Thankfully youtubers like you are around to let everyone know.
The media, IGN, and thr Gane Awards will continue taking it up the rear from Sony (with no lube)
@@PlaceboHead360 I don't think it's much of an issue if it's not very noticeable though. It's all about the games, not the HDMI controller.
@@myairspace121 Well, if Multplats play, look worse, and have BILLIONS OF LESS COLORS than a Series Console... who wants that version other than poor kids who can't afford Greatness?
@@PlaceboHead360
Go watch Digital Foundries comparison videos if you truly want to see the difference between the PS5 and Xbox Series X.
@@virtualwarp The consoles literally just came out. Wait till actual next gen games come out to compare. Battlefield 6 will be interesting.
Vincent this news has obliterated my internal organs. I am now just a skin sack with a face.
Incredible comment
The more I learn about the PS5 the more certain I am I'm getting a xbox series x instead. I was getting a ps5 first buuuut yeah I don't think I am now. Damn you Square Enix MAKE YOUR GAMES FOR XBOX! Why isn't FF7 remake on Xbox!? Why hasn't FF 16 been announced for Xbox? These games are the only reasons I was getting a ps5 first.
Niiiiice
@@Andronicus87 FF16 is console exclusive for PS5. It comes to PC though.
@@Andronicus87 I believe FF7 remake is coming to Xbox. Not sure about FF16, but the PS5 exclusivity/PS5 first deal is likely due to their both being Japanese companies.
Someone: Lg cheaped out on 40gbps hdmi ports
Ps5: hold my DualSense
*DualSense.
@@anarfox oh wow 😂😂😂
Thats why I got a Xbox series X plugged into my LG c9🥰
To be fair as this channel pointed out. The Series X outputs at 40Gbps and that is enough to enable all features.
@@00shmee that’s straight up marketing lies😂😂😂 they just found out they really screwed up when they straight up released full bandwidth hdmis across the whole lineup last year.
they gonna feature full bandwidth hdmi in next year’s lineup but only in top tier premium TVs.
And the same people who said that 40 or even 30 gbps is enough will all try to persuade people that it is better to get one with the highest bandwidth😂😂😂and the division into full and limited bandwidth will be a huge part of marketing as well when those next gen TVs arrive
Honestly I’ve never really been interested in content like this on TH-cam but the effort and information you put into every video is brilliant. Keep up the awesome work brother!!
For a manufacturer that makes some really good tvs how does Sony keep messing up HDMI 2.1 like this?
It’s not about sloppily rushing technologies, it’s about MASTERING them. When Sony implements it in the following year or two it’ll be miles ahead of the competition.
@@Party85050 Amen. Hail corporate. /s
To be fair, everybody is messing up HDMI 2.1. Just look at how VRR is going.
@@Party85050 I wouldn’t say there would be a significant difference. But Sony has a history of implementing compliant hardware - then updating later with a patch when standards are set. That’s why HDR came to OG PS4 3yrs after launch.
The HDMI 2.1 chip in PS5 is fully compliant and software will be updated at a later date along with other AV features. Reality is full 4K/120 just isn’t a thing on these consoles beyond a handful of indie titles. So it’s about priorities.
@MonsterKat now I expect only 60fps now.
Let’s see those CX and C9 settings 👍🏼
Yes! Going comment to see if Vincent has any feedback!
I have a PS5 hooked up to my LG CX and he’s right on that.
He is a calibrator. He does not publish settings.
That’s easy, everything in Auto except RGB, set it to Limited and your TV as well and HGIG ON although calibrate HDR with tone mapping OFF then turn ON HGIG and you’re done on PS5. But first calibrate your TV of course.
@@MrRaitzi I’m not talking about the settings you’re talking about just general settings like he did for the Xbox series x.
I was looking forward to when you got your hands on a PS5! Thanks for the information, Vincent. Great video!
Been subbed for quite a while and am happy to see this being shared on many entertainment and gaming channels and websites. Hopefully this will bring you more subscribers as you have many less than you should have for your level of knowledge. You are unmatched and I love your humour too.
Will you do a LG CX setup with PS5? The Xbox series X you did was massive help.
I hope he does
Hi Vincent, any news for HDMI bandwidth in ps5 slim?
Another great video. Keep up the great work, Vincent!
QQ: Is it better to run the PS5 on LG OLED TVs in "PC Mode" or "Console Mode"? I noticed that in PC mode there is less overscan than with console mode but I wasn't able to disable overscan entirely, so it's necessary to "scale" the image slightly in the console menu.
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You need to change just scan from auto to on
@MonsterKat If I disable pixel shift there is still a slight overscan and I need to scale one "click" down.
Could you do the same test on the sony x900h tv, please?
I'm very curious if the results will be the same, or are different.
Keep up the good work, your videos are great and most informative!
I don't have a way of seeing the 4/8 or 4/12 indicator on my x900h (as far as I know there's no way to see that directly from the tv itself, like there is on the cx) but my ps5 connected to my x900h displays the same information in the video settings...120hz has (YUV 422) right next to it.
Hopefully it's just a temporary thing?
Of course. He used denon to read the signal.
@@MrRaitzi Yeah, his Denon shows more video information than my Yamaha does. (Not surprised, Denon's a more premium brand) My Yamaha only shows the incoming/outgoing resolution, and the RGB color profile.
@@walksoflifesixnine did you change the hdmi port to optimized? That changed it for me.
it won't change anything, it's on the PS5 end
My guess would be due to the 12 bit signal, the future 8K support will be telling. If it's only 30P its a hardware limitation so they can sell you the Pro model with higher bandwidth support.
Thank you for this video. I was searching everywhere
I've been wondering about this. Thanks for making this video and getting it out there. Hopefully sony update.
@HDTVTEST Vincent, on the Q80T, the PS5 refuses to enable HDR when I enabled 3840x2160/120p in the settings and play a 120hz game like CoD BOCW. Can you test 120hz gameplay on your Samsung Q80T/ Q90 and confirm this? THANK YOU
I could be mistaken, but this is probably due to the bandwidth bottleneck that is discussed in this video. Resolution, color depth, refresh rate, HDR, etc.. all these factors stack and multiply the amount of information needed to be passed.. So if you are only capable of passing 32gbps, you have to pick and choose which criteria you have enabled. There's another video here on the channel that speaks about this. Probably not the TV, but the Ps5 that's limiting you.
In these last few weeks i've learned more about tv's with you than my whole life .
Thanks for the vídeos and keep up the good work 👍
This channel is a gold mine! Thank you 🥳
Any change to this 32gbps bandwidth cap in 2022?
Vincent have you had a look at the Blu-ray player yet....????
From what I've noticed it doesn't have Dolby Vision, but it does support Atmos and DTS:X if you change the option from PCM to Bitstream in the Blu-ray player settings. It's kind of a bare minimum 4K Blu-ray player. I'd only use it if you don't care about Dolby Vision. But honestly, if you already spent the money on an OLED TV and you're planning on collecting 4K Blurays you really should just get a better player.
@@TheLingo56 Yeah I saw this too. Seems Sony took a cheap shot on this just as MS did.
which is weird Sony even masters their own 4k blu-ray release with Dolby Vision.
If one don't want to spend to much money in order to get dolby vision support on stand alone blu-ray player? What shall I look for ? And tips?
Both the SX and PS5 are serious let downs as UHD players. Really disappointed in the lack of DV support, I was hoping to not need a separate box to play UHD’s but both Sony and MS have obviously cut costs as much as possible and it shows in the UHD support.
@@rare6499 Some ppl say they both support it on the netflix app or that it will come? Is DV working different on software such as netflix over physical media?
@@rainbowthrustars Yep, Dolby Vision is supported through apps like Netflix, but not on the Blu ray Player at this time. Hopefully they add Dolby vision to the Blu ray player app in the future.
Hey Vincent, I'm pretty sure it's caped via software on their part. When asked why the PS5 doesn't support 8K out of the box, even though it's on the box, they said support is something in a later update, so whenever they release that update is when they'll likely uncap those lanes I figure. I mean technically they did something similar on the PS4 when HDR came out.
PS5 needs several updates. Right now, you are failing too much. But I have faith that they will solve it.
How fair is to put 8k on the box and then make customers wait for it ? Really !
@@sumitpatel8509 - Digital Foundry confirmed the HDMI cable that comes with PS5 is 48Gbps compliant. Vincent has alternative HDMI cables that can pass 48Gbps, I doubt he would only perform these tests with one cable.
The basic ps4 cant do true hdr.
@@sumitpatel8509 have you tested this yourself?
@HDTVTest Can you do a LG cx settings for ps5? I only just got the tv the other day and unsure what settings to use.
Hi Vincent, love the channel. Is there any chance you'll be reviewing the Philips PUS9235 and PUS9435?
“TH-cam gig isn’t as lucrative as it seems”
Thank you Vincent. My PS4 Pro is hocked up to a receiver as well and it is reporting 4k60Hz at YUV420.
Have you ever conducted a (blind) test with some people to see if they can notice a difference between color modes?
If it’s a Hardware Limitation we‘ll have to live with it (once one actually may buy a PS5) and it would be nice to know if it is worth getting worked up about it.
Thank you again. Have a good one.
I follow all your videos ..they are great as you re..thank you keep the good work
Thank you very much for this test :)
My man Vince, up past midnight fighting injustice when everyone else is safely asleep in their beds. He is the hero we need.
Yes! thank God I didn't preorder
I feel like this is probably like everything with sony, It's coming in a future update. Because it's also supposed to output (upscaled probably) to 8k, but it probably can't do that limited to 32gbs
What a joke, I cant believe they even put 8k on the box. The next gen consoles barely do 4k60 native, let alone 4k120. The 8k claims are just hilarious.
@@mkvB58KING just to further ad to your sentiment, 95% of next-gen titles on sale right now are still not even rendering at native 4K, regardless of fps. They are still using the checkerboard upscaling found in the PS4 pro and Xbox series X, albeit from a higher base resolution.
@@pwd1134 temporal solution*, using data from previous frames to put fps at the top priority. :)
*8K* is for "video playback," *not actual games*
Hi, congratulations! great content, do you know if this has changed in ps5? do you have any new information on bandwidth?
No it hasn't changed yet. You can see it by yourself, go on settings, display, and check the gamma info for 120 hz, if it still says YUV422, then that means the update has not arrived yet.
Do you use the HDMI cable that came in the box of ps5?? Could you test the 4k120hz in the Sony x900h + ps5??
Thanks
Vincent, the gaming industry is gonna come after you for making them look bad. Lol
Heads up, trashy fanboy here LOL
Hi, I'm a trashy fanboi.
@FührêrFPöñê you got a cheek calling others fanboys when ur profile pic is literally some Xbox fanboy shit Lmao
When do they do themselves any favours? Abusive working conditions that involve sexual harassment & months of crunch if not longer. Then there's the sexism and racism that go along with it. Ubisoft is massively guilty and they just released 2 games that no one even question, it's all just consume, consume, consume.
@@mrcraggle I know there's hard working conditions but there's sexual harassment going on? Are the games you're referring to Watch Dogs Legion and Assassin's Creed Valhalla? Sorry, I just don't understand and Im wondering lol
This video needs to go viral.
99% of people that view it are either not gonna understand or not care. The colour is still gonna look amazing on PS5 regardless
LOL, this is Viral. Try and get it to the Masses! great Job Vincent. Same issue on the LG NanoCell Nano86 49' with the Series X and PS5 confirmed
Are you sure you understand the difference between 4:2:2 and 4:4:4?
@@MorrisseyMuse No the color with 4:2:2 looks much worse.
What game is there running 4k 120 is the main question? Most games are gonna be 4k 60 and we all know the 4k 120 was marketing bs. Neither console even reaches 4k at 60 fps on Valhalla or 4k 120 at even dirt 5,a racing game let alone 4k 120 UHD.
It says on the box that it can do 8k and it was also advertised with VRR though apparently it has neither capability at the moment. Would that all be related to this hdmi chipset or this supposed bandwidth cap?
One of the videos we're all waiting for!
Vincent you are a true hero and an inspiration to men everywhere. From this day forward 20th november shall be known as "Vincents day" in the UK. All in agreement say aye ✊
Thanks for your work, Vincent! I wonder if this limitation has something to do with mitigating the 900h hdmi 2.1 issues or at least related to it. It seems like Sony is having trouble delivering enough data for 4K@120hz and high quality audio to that TV due to a "bug." I hope you have a chance to play around with the 900h and a PS5 since a lot of us have purchased it based off Sony's marketing.
@HDTVTEST Vincent, on the Q90T, the PS5 refuses to enable HDR when I enabled 3840x2160/120p in the settings and play a 120hz game like Dort 5 or CoD BOCW. Can you test 120hz gameplay on your Samsung Q90T and confirm this?
Is this a PS5 issue or a Q90T issue?
The PS5 does not support VRR yet and can't do 120hz yet. It will be in a patch, probably when the up the 2.1 port to 40GPBS
What receiver are you using during these tests? I thought that none of the 2020 receivers were able to pass 4k at 120hz.
"This TH-cam gig is not as lucrative as it seems" oh man Vincent I think I love you, you're the best
#Teohlogisms
😂😂😂
Can you do this same testing with the ps5 on the sony x90h? Also how would I pull up the free synch bar on my sony x900h?
My questions too since I plan to get a x900h for Black Friday.
@@Android.Paranormal they having black friday deals for the 65 inch?
@@Exalted-Mountain yes in the US. Not sure other countries.
@@Android.Paranormal ok awesome which retailer's? Can you share a link of the sale price?
It's a feature for the specific TV. The X900H and PS5 both don't support VRR at this time. Though they both will in a future update.
Is this channel making a TV settings guide for the LG CX for the PS5? I think I got my settings down now, but wondering if there is additional information I don't have.
Hey Vincent, I just bought the CX, another review channel slammed the CX against the Sony A8. I’m mainly concerned about image depth. Is the Sony much better? I can always do and exchange
The only thing you can trust if you want the full Hdmi 2.1 output are the new graphics cards. The consoles have rather big limitations.
Yeah, but even GPU's are to be suspected with first gen display-connector launches. There is a history to that. Nvidia also had limited-bandwidth issues with the first Displayport 1.3 graphics cards, so the consoles aren't the only offenders on the market.
@@edfort5704 There are no Hdmi 2.1 problems from the new gpus I heard of. Nevertheless Dp is at least still one generation ahead in terms of bandwith. So if you dont use a Tv with your Pc Dp is still the better choice.
Vincent please keep testing these consoles! I'll be joining your patreon :)
I was planning on buying a LG CX if/when I ever get a PS5. But I was worried about it being limited to 40Gbps. Now after hearing this, I don't know whether to be upset or relieved. On the one hand, I don't need to worry about hitting the CX's bandwidth limit. On the other hand, why would Sony put this cap on their next gen system?!
Also, is this a hardware limitation or could this be something that is fixed in a future patch?
Hey vince if the panasonic chip set is capable of more bandwidth could sony bring it higher in a future patch?
Is this the sinister reason why Sony TVs don't have HDMI 2.1? Huh???
I've been wondering if the PS5 is being held back to make the Sony TVs look almost as capable as other HDMI 2.1 TVs from other companies.
Yes they do. They have 2 TVs with HDMI 2.1. The popular x900H and the Z8H. Also in about 5 months they should also have an OLED TV with HDMI 2.1 too. Plus also another LED TV with HDMI 2.1.
I think this guy is working too hard, breaks are important my man
Id love to see your findings on last years Samsung Q90 and Q85 with the PS5, i got my ps5 yesterday and on hdmi 4 (which does 120hz @ 4.2.0 on pc) it wont do 120hz on the PS5 at this, its stuck on RGB.
Vincent is the result the same with performance mode activated on the console?
Can this be solved via firware update? or we have to play games with less color accuracy for 7 years?
That's only true at 4K 120Hz though. It's still full 4:4:4 at 60Hz or below 4k at 120Hz.
Get an Xbox. It'll give you BILLIONS of more colors@120fps
@@JudeDefensor They marketed 4k120hz as the main selling point. So the Ps5 should be able to output 4k120hz at 4:4:4 10 bit at least. But it was a lie even if they would not limit to 32gb, because the new consoles are not powerfull enough for 4k120hz in modern games.
@@geiers6013 I guess they think they could get away with it by saying that they were marketing 4K OR 120Hz and not 4K AND 120 Hz :). Neither console still has any games that do native 4K and 120Hz at the same time yet though. So until one comes out, the spec is still a bit moot.
Considering Sony’s 2020 LED X900H was released with HDMI 2.0 and later had a firmware to update to HDMI 2.1, I think it would be safe to assume that there will be a proper firmware update when the time comes, which will be at least three or more years from now, that is when 4k 120hz TVs and games are mainstream.
The question is, what does this do to the picture and colour versus what the XBOX shows. Is it perceivable? Does it matter, etc?
Short answer: no, it doesn't matter.
You'll probably never know the difference between the two.
For the same price imma go with xbox.
@@iamworthy1302
I wouldn't recommend it.
But you do you.
@@virtualwarp spiderman is on ps4,no interest in demon Souls games. I prefer Xbox's controller and online. Gamepass just puts it way over the edge for me.
@@iamworthy1302
PlayStation has way more exclusive games than just Spider-Man and Demon's Souls.
Plus, the PS5 controller is considered to be revolutionary, in terms of its haptic feedback and responsive triggers.
The Xbox controller hasn't changed and still uses ancient batteries to power it.
The online capabilities of the PS5 are exactly the same as on Xbox.
Game-pass is, indeed, a nice feature.
Though, it's also available on PC if you like to rent your games, which I don't.
So, for me, the choice is quite obvious.
Once you actually play one quality PlayStation exclusive you'll know why I, along with millions of others, always choose PlayStation.
But, as said before, you do you.
Both consoles are a big step up from the last console generation and both will get the job done just fine.
This generation, hardware wise, you can't go wrong with either.
Though, I'd still argue that the PS5 has the edge in performance and quality exclusive games.
Very detailed, good video. Thank you.
Do you recommend PC mode for gaming? It seems pretty back and forth whether it's necessary or not for RGB 4:4:4.
Darknessrider, can you better elucidade on that, pls?
I am often wondering if the PS5 reacts to specific TV sets/monitors and shows settings differently depending on that 🤔
Well, maybe... But the CX is a very high standard... If you're right then most other TVs would do worse, right?
@@n0_b0dy30 it's got ultra high speed cable in the box.
@@n0_b0dy30 You might have a point here. The cable that comes with the PS5 was tested by TechnoDad and does not appear to be a true 2.1 cable.
@@Nonx47 I am not doubting the quality of the CX, I am doubting if Sony is reserving something for those Sony TVs that say "Ready for PS5" and stuff like that.
@@n0_b0dy30 The only reason the PS5 is running those Cross-Gen games at a slightly higher framerate is because they were optimized for PS5 & ported over to Series X because Microsoft went with a whole new Dev Kit. Once the Dev Studios learn that new Dev Kit & tap into that extra power & RDNA2 features of the Series X, it's gonna be a wrap.
Can we get an LG CX best settings for the PS5?!?!
This news of Sony fucking up is more important and I say that as someone buying a PS5.
Buy an Xbox lol
i bought both, they both need to get their act together
@@xGaLoSx no point in buying an Xbox when you have game pass just buy a PC in that case.
@@bashers31 I'm a PC gamer myself. Haven't bought a console since Xbox 360
Thank you for the video. Why is it wrong that the console isn't outputting at the maximal bandwidth, but "only" at 32 Mgbps compared to the 48Mgbps? Is there less "informations" about the picture quality being transmitted?
So i just bought a LG GX65, would you recommend to buy a av receiver now or better wait till next year ?
In my opinion missing VRR is a big problem with ps5
Why? No games need it or the support yet.
Totally agree. Games like Vahalla which has screen tearing and frame drops on both systems. Worse on Series X. But with VRR tearing is completely gone and framerate is more stable on the Xbox because of VRR.
@@chiefmegadeth VRR is great no doubt about it. Thing is the majority of people game on a 60hz TV. Frame drops like this on the "more teraflops" hardware is just down right embarrassing. This is not just an Ubisoft problem. CoD also has problems.
@@alpha6games751 AC valhalla support vrr on xbox series x
@@chiefmegadeth no it doesnt remove tearing completely
Hdmi 2.05
@MonsterKat firmware issue maybe?
@@UltimateAlgorithm fact that its 48gb chip but capped at 32 leads me to believe a firmware update could fix it
So is this the fault of the Panasonic HDMI 2.1 chipset? Since you've covered before the av receiver bug with that a faulty chip. Wondering if this is related.
For some reason on my 2019 Q70r I can get 1080p 120hz output on ps5 but with no HDR? As soon as it goes over 60hz HDR turns off???
I was literally telling a youtuber this earlier this week about the max bandwidth on the PS5. I was getting alot of hate because of the supposed "misinformation" I was spreading around. Because Digital foundry said some things along the lines of the ps5 being hdmi 2.1 but never came out and said the cable that comes with the ps5 is hdmi 2.1. It really confused viewers to only attack people like me that are actually paying attention to what is said and do know about latest technologies with the consoles and 4k displays. Started out with just looking at the text on the hdmi cable and then testing the capabilities of each source and display being used. I'm glad Vincent has made this clear so that everyone can be brought up to speed on this topic being a bit toxic. Well Done Vinnie!
To be clear the ps5 is an hdmi 2.1 device. The 36 Gbps is still double what hdmi 2.0 can offer and I challenge anyone to tell the difference between a 4:2:2 4k120 hdr10 game image and an rgb/4:4:4 4k120 hdr 10 game image. Vincent never said it would actually look discernibly worse.
@@Keivz It should be full 4:4:4 like Series X. It's inexcusable. Stop the tantrum. Sony isn't paying you.
@@Keivz Are you talking about on a today's 10 bit display or 10bit vs 12bit?
@@nonyabusiness6084 I don’t have a horse in this race. I’ma pc gamer and I don’t have a ps5 or a PS4 for that matter. I’m just telling it like it is.
@@mobbman1 Not talking about 12 bit at all. On a 10 bit display today you will not be able to differentiate 4:2:2 from 4:4:4 hdr 10 (or hdr 8, or sdr) except with a test image. You can try it yourself if you have a pc with hdmi out support.
SONY locked out lots features from PS5, VRR, storage expansion. it seems that it's a rush launch, let's how it goes
check sony FAQ blog .. these features will be supported in coming update
@@michaelarc2792 yeah, I know, don't get me wrong, I have launch edition PS5.Just have seen a lots people's units have issues, plus locked storage expansion option really shows some concern.
@@leewan2994 You can’t upgrade the storage using the slot for an SSD because there’s no SSDs that are fast enough to be able to run PS5 games. You can still use normal external storages, you just can’t play PS5 games on them
@@leewan2994 the ps4 launched with very limited features too. I'd day its quite normal. If you remember they only supported external hdd on ps4 in a later update.
@HDTVTest I noticed in the setting for the PS5 it only shows Yuv422 but in your video just after 2:02 min you said the PS5 is producing 4K 60hz RGB 444 12bit but at 4 lanes running @ 8gbps equaling 32gbps ?
So the PS5 can do 4k 120hz / 60hz RGB 444 12bit but is limited to only 32gbps or is it 4k 120/60hz 12bit yuv422 @32gbps the PS5 max output?
If so what does that cap actually do to the 4K 120hz 12 bit 444 signal vs being at 4K 120hz/60hz 12 bit 444 @ 48gbps ? Do you think Sony can change this in a firmware update ? Have you tried other games or bluray to see if you can get a higher bandwidth on 4K 120hz 12 bit rgb 444 or 422 etc.?
Odd question but have you connected it to a full bandwidth TV, just in case there is some quirk with it detecting 40gbits
I knew it was 32GB, and your right the chipset could probably be upgraded via firmware in the future, but I was surprised about it being 12bit instead of 8bit, no wonder PS4 games look great on PS5. Awesome find! 👍🏼
TBH, it is probably 10-bit with zeroed out last two least significant bits (LSBs). HDMI YCC422 packing can contain between 8 to 12bpc depending on what the encoder IP is configured to output. Many sink devices often report incorrect color depth when YCC422 is utilized because of this. This is probably why the LG TV incorrectly reports 8bpc. The PS5 uses HDR10 for games and that profile is defined for 10-bpc / 30-bpp. You can still be happy about seeing the 12-bit indication on the AVR, but it's not really 12 bit. :)
Damn Vincent your just bringing bad news upon bad news my friend 🤦♂️ that said excellent job as always
How did you summon the video info on Denon? Is it something new with this years version? On my x1500h there's only audio info.
Should I go out and buy the zeskit 8k hdmi 2.1 cable for my PS5? Will I be able to improve my gaming experience with my CX with a better cable?
How can anyone dislike a Vincent Teoh video? What is wrong with people?
Fanboys getting cross about relevant information probably.
That's just Quantum and his 71 fake accounts.
Fanboys mate
I don't get it either. I'm going to get a ps5 and I will most likely love it. perhaps not for movies but for games. Just look at a game such as Demon's souls. Its a launch game and looks like a game that very well could have been released yrs into a consoles life.
But I like that Vincent points these things out as its annoying when Corporations take cheap shots like this but it is evident that it won't affect how games can and will play so I'm not really worried in that sense.
I´d say drunken missclicks, gotta happen at 50k views.
So its colors that are missing? Can you elaborate on what that bandwidth cap means 32 vs 40? What do we actually see/experience differently?
Not a massive difference to be honest, 32 is still more than enough for HDMI 2.1 through-put. Honestly, side by side, 99% of people aren't gonna tell the difference between the two consoles on this
Colors look washed out and you don't get true blacks 😭
@@universalgamer2963 this has nothing to do with true blacks or washed out colors, please don't spread disinformation
I’m guessing decrease in color gradation
@@universalgamer2963 wth dude, pls don't spread FUD
Vince, what TV would you recommend for the PS5 (I’m getting it for Christmas and need to update from my HD TV). I don’t game everyday as I’m mainly at work, so paying a lot of money seems a little pointless. However I would like to get a decent TV that will make the PS5 shine in 4K.
Should I download the 4k@120hz firmware for the Sony X900H or wait and if so where do I get it? Thanks for your time.
Hey man according to MyGadgetsWorld, the problem is down to PS5 hdmi cable.
it is essentially a ps4 pro cable, if you want to make it run on full speed you will have to buy 3rd party hi-speed cable or simply use the xbox series x cable
Someone go test this.
We have tested using other HDMI 2.1-certified cables, and arrived at the same result of maximum 32Gbps bandwidth.
Not true, the cable is fine.
@@hdtvtest 32Gbps = HDMI 2.0b
Well at least sony released a patch last night for the X900H to fix the 4k120hz.
So is the blurry text bug corrected now on 4k/120 HZ ??
@@Docan690 It should be according to Sony. I didn't notice any blur on my set playing on Series X after updating, but I don't have the keenest eye for these things. Probably best to wait for Vincent to talk about it in detail.
Awesome im actually grabbing that TV this week . How is it matched up with the series x because mine comes in December and decided to go with Sony over the Samsung
@@wozzielfc401 It still doesn’t support VRR for some reason so at the moment not all that well.
Didn’t find any info that Sony actually “solved” it, only that this issue “will be addressed in the future”
The non-HDMI 2.1 compliant Panasonic chip in the Denon AVR and the Panasonic chip in the PS5 play nice together. That's why FRL interoperability is not broken for the PS5 case. Furthermore, the FRL 8Gbps limitation is likely a HW limitation of the Panasonic chips.
So, this is the original video everyone on the internet got their info from. Great work, guys! 🤘🤘🤘
the thing is you're not explaining what the difference would be in terms of color accuracy/depth ?
He's basically saying the PS5 has a smaller pipe to push data through. HDMI 2.1 maxes out at 48GB, allowing for full uncompressed colour data and audio at 4k 120. Having less bandwidth means data must be either compressed or reduced to fit the 32GB for the PS5, and 40GB for the XboxSX.
Below is a link to a full explanation of 4.4.4, so you can understand why it's always mentioned Terence. I PC Game on a C9 Oled using 4.2.2 10bit 4K@60 and it's stunning, so I doubt 99% of people will ever notice or care:
www.rtings.com/tv/learn/chroma-subsampling
@@yorkipudd1728 What GPU are you using?
Just Google "chroma subsampling"; PC GAMING discusses this since it's an issue with Displayport bandwidth to 4K monitors. In a lot of video it's not obvious (4:2:2 vs 4:4:4) but in some video it affects the quality in obvious ways. It can also make some things like TEXT occasionally look horrible. In general it's hard to tell the difference. But sometimes it's obviously worse to have only 4:2:2.
@@SuperMan3111 2070Super unfortunately. Like a muppet I upgraded to play Cyberpunk.....a week before the delay! lol It'll be fine for Night City @ 1440 with DLSS 2.0 me thinks.
@@yorkipudd1728 I have 2070 super alienware.
Planning to buy lg cx 65".
Do you think it will be able to keep up with 4k output at decent fps?
This had better be updated to at least 40 gbps with VRR support or I will not be a happy customer. :/
You probably won't even notice if they did or not update it
😂
Most console gamers aren't tech-minded so they won't notice & Sony won't care to upgrade.
I love your stuff Vincent.
Is it possible this is game specific?
Can a game dev get better performance from the game by choosing to use a lower colour sample?
THIS is a good question.
Not game specific, 4k 120hz 8 bit 4:2:2 or 4k 60hz 12 bit RGB on the C9.
Just a question did You used the cable with the ps5 or another? Because they are already saying that You Just need to change the cable
I guess the full or increased bandwidth will arrive when they add VRR & 8K output support.
I hope man. Bummer...
March for VRR they've said
32gb/s bandwith or 40gb/s or the full 48gb/s what is the difference since the video says the PS5 is doing 32gb/s bandwith but it is STILL doing 4K, HDR, 120hz so why do you need 40gb/s or 48gb/s bandwith ?
@@RossMalagarie The story is more complex than that. If you have 4K 120, but also less color depth) 8bit vs 10/12 bit) and more compression (chroma subsampling 4:2:0 vs 4:2:2/4:4:4) you will lose picture Quality.
For full picture Quality you want 4K/120HZ/12bit/4:4:4= 48Gbit/s
So the PS5 outputting only 32Gbit/s means more compression and less color depth at 120Hz (Xbox Series X can handle 40 Gbit/s)
@@RossMalagarie did you miss the part about it not being able to do YCbCr 4:4:4 at 120 Hz? 32Gbps means the PS5 will have to downgrade colors in order to accommodante 4K120. You need 40Gbps for 4K120 4:4:4 10 bit.
Can’t wait to see the Cx settings
keep up the good work, Sir 💯
Has this been changed on any of the revisions, or software changed?
Maybe it's caused by this ps5's cable after all? It's labelled as high speed cable, not an ultra high speed which is necessary for 48 gb/s bandwith.
The cable is 2.1
@MonsterKat it is the cable, use a different one and you get the full 48 gbps
@@longlostcoder6322 don't lie
@@Vegitobluuuuu no. PS5 = HDMI 2.0b
@@LouSassol69er why would I lie.
Thank you Vincent for this information.
I'm looking at Video output information screen around 1:11 and why is under non-HDR available frequencies 120Hz listed as YUV422 when 8bit at 120Hz is 25.82 Gbit/s so well within the bandwidth limit?
Hey Vincent did you check another HDMI cable as the PS5 comes with the same High Quality 'High Speed (HDMI 2.0b) cable as the PS4 Pro, so that could be limiting it
TH-cam needs to get its act together, the macroblocking in this video is insane.
What is macroblocking?
@@lisserkc6000 Its a compression artifact. If you look in this video you'll see loads of squares in the darker sections. (This is more noticeable at lower resolutions). Basically there aren't enough bits so it just puts chunks of the same color, which looks like blocks
@@Kainthereaper oh yeah i see it
All the uploader can do is to upload at at least 1440p(even if it is an upscale) and use a high bit rate.
I can't tell the max resolution he uploaded because I'm phone posting.
Less power
No VRR
32gb
Memory expansion
What next? I really hope sony sell bad they need fix things with the console and the services (ps now, retrocompatibility, ps plus)
Sony can cut corners because they have many gamers by the balls. People are paying 150% more for the system from resellers.
Worried about the wrong things
We are so lucky to have your keen, scientific mind doing the work for us, Vincent!
(Lucky for us you chose this field of work and we didn’t lose you to stripping, stunt work, international espionage or a rap career)
Nice video! Keep up the good work.
Thank you for your content. I wish there was more footage to show how VRR was presented by the PS5 and handled by the TV at widely varying frequencies. Dirt 5 would have been family friendly content and music can be turned off. Just a suggestion!
@VINCENT You can force 120FPS at the system level, it just that it's not called "120fps" in the menu . To do it you go to Settings', navigate to the 'Save Data and Game/App Settings' option. Within 'Game Presets' you'll see all the various options, the second in the list is the ability to choose between 'Performance Mode', 'Resolution Mode' or 'Game Default'. Select 'Performance Mode' and you have 4k120 all the time. The PS5 will force that performance on games that support it, you won't have to change it in the games menu anymore
Doesn't that force a 1080p@120hz output rather than 4K?
No next-gen game on PS5 runs at native 4K 120Hz. Those 120Hz games are running at around 1440p and being upscaled to 2160p.
Thanks for the info @Krynale!
Hope to see the trophy cabinet filling by the next video Vincent.
Ps5 calibration with lg c9?