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PC Mode 4:4:4 LG CX for PS5 / Xbox Series X and why you do not need it.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ย. 2020
- You don't need to use the PC mode on your TV to get a good picture quality. The PS5 is not even capable of doing 4:4:4 in HDR and 120hz. But to make this clear: 4:4:4 is the best signal what you can choose! BUT the difference between 4:4:4 and 4:2:2 in games is not worth mentioning!
What I forgot to mention in my video (shame on me) . The TV will always use 4:2:2 regardless what setting you are using on the Xbox/PS5. That is why you have to set you TV to PC Mode if you want to use 4:4:4 .
hey man i got the new update for the LG CX i don't know if i should turn on freesync now or not?? can you do a video explaining what is the update all about pls
Hm. But what about dual tone mapping - one done by console and another by TV. Is it the case? I have looked at Color Gamut - it shows Auto, though it is disabled...
@@BinVeto don't turn on freesync. Keep dolby vision. Xbox ready has vrr so you don't need free sync
i thought the only benefit of hdmi 2.1 (if i do not care about performance mode in games and only play at 4k/60) is that the game will run in 4k/60 RGB 10bit HDR. So even if the console renders the game at rgb, the tv will compress the data to 4.2.2 anyway on 60hz mode? Does this apply to every tv or only the CX? I am about to purchase a new tv and the hdmi 2.1 stuff just makes it harder...should i go for something with hdmi 2.1 or get a decent tv like the Sony x950h but without 2.1 features...
On XSX settings do u suggest to tick the 4:2:2 option?
Finally someone said it! I see so many people being angry over the lack of 4:4:4 @4k120hz on the ps5 without realizing that most movies are 4:2:2 or 4:2:0, and that you won't notice much difference anyway.
Thanks. Again 4:4:4 or RGB is the best signal BUT for the content video games it is not necessary. Just for Text based application it is a must
@@GamingTech-TH-cam I think it’s worth to have 4:4:4 and full range spectrum . However the least important spec at top end.
It's like saying a game cost 60 and I give you 60 to buy ps5 version and I give 100 to xbox owner so he can buy the 60 dollar game and have 40 extra in his pocket. Ps5 limited trash x full next Gen spec
I think I can speak for many when I say that we appreciate your info. You take all the hyped up info/advice and you actually test it out and give honest opinions. Thank you!
Thank you so much!
@@GamingTech-TH-cam Console Mode Looks better i think
I kept wondering why games look weird on the Xbox SX. It switched to 4:2:0 and 10bit. After setting it to PC mode, it sets to RGB/8 bit and the game is much more colorful.
So, your TV is 60hz. In 60hz mode HDMI bandwidth from Xbox is limited to 18 Gbps. Why do you even use 10bit in SDR?
What are you recommended settings for c9 please?
He will never see this comment. Shame on him
Using PC mode does reduce color banding for Xbox games which does make it worth it in my opinion
I tried the PC mode and honestly I don't feel that it's any better than the normal game mode in fact I find the colour and HDR highlights better on the normal game mode. The PC mode I find is extremely dark even with hgig or tone mapping on. Thank you for clearing this up for me.
Sounds like you need to put black level on low. Because brightness is the same for me
The same I try pc mode and I found it’s to dark and I return to game mode!!!
@@fratergilles i cant get HDR effect with PC mode on
I play on pc end yes i prefer to game console mode its goves brighter and clear image and more colors
You are right, I’ve been switching for some time between game console mode and PC mode and that I also notice something happening with the brightness and clarity. You lose more detail in PC mode, and you get black crush, I noticed it when playing Last of Us 2, dark areas get way more darker than the game console mode so I think that game console mode is the way to go because that is probably what the game developers had in mind and you can also see more details when you engage in game console mode for the LG CX + PS5 (with HGIG enabled. Stick with game console mode. I think you’ll get a more accurate picture with game console, as it was intended to be like.
Tv disable color Calibration settings for best n fast processing, lesa inputlag, this os why PC input still recomended for gaming. The only way tô have calibrated settings and better quality on tv is using internal Calibration, service menu or calman auto cal.
I can see a difference on my LG C9 with my Series X. If that because of 4:4:4 or just pc mode in general I dont know. But my image is sharper with pc mode. And that is with setting sharpness at 0.
Hmm the picture should not be sharper with PC Mode BUT we do not know what the TV is doing with the signal internally. It can be that the PC Mode is showing the correct sharpness and the gaming mode need to be set to sharpness 10???
@@GamingTech-TH-cam Man sieht schon einen deutlichen Unterschied in der Schärfe bei Schriften. Aber nur im dash board, in den Spielen habe ich keinen Unterschied feststellen können. Da muss ich nochmal vergleichen. Habe auch einen c9
@@GamingTech-TH-cam Tested on my Nintendo Switch and same result, sharper image with pc mode. So its nothing to do with chroma instead how the tv interpreter input signal none vs pc mode. Quite strange tho.
Isn't this because of 1:1 pixel mapping in PC mode ?
PC mode has always been sharper and different even with PS4/XB1 and older TVs
@@GamingTech-TH-cam it's because it disables smooth gradation making the picture look sharper but with more banding ;)
Interesting stuff.
Another factor to consider (at least as pertains to the C9) is 4:4:4 in combination with 4K120hz VRR etc introduces visual artifacts on the screen. They manifest as red and blue glitching. This can be mitigated somewhat by turning off features in general settings (Live Plus for example), but it doesn’t totally eliminate them. The aberrations seemingly appear randomly.
Can it be the HDMI cable?
@@GamingTech-TH-cam I don't think so. It is replicable quite easy. Everyone gets the artifacts using those settings according to feedback in the associated AVS gaming thread
@@naschylobo Try to disable the freesync
@@AviatorPalma Thanks but C9 doesn't have FreeSync
Solved by last fw update here, gamma shift too
Hmm. A lot of people are using the 48” CX as a monitor for a PC. Prepare for mind blow. Now I want a bandwich with mayo and fries.
I agree! Aside from small texts... chroma sub-sampling should not make a difference. People definitely make too big of a deal out of this.
Thank you for this info I’ve looking all over the place for an answer to this question! Keep the great content!
PC Mode on the C9 allows for auto black levels, otherwise it’s not available if I’m correct.
What do you mean it's not available?
That's the reason why I like using RBG because on my box I get better perfect blacks .
@@JaronWheelerI'm getting perfect blacks on LG C3 without 4-4-4 passthrough. I don't even have "allow 4-2-2" enabled on Series X.
This reminds me of picking between full and limited color space. One isn’t better than the other like the naming suggests, it’s just what matches your setup. Thanks for the clear info, this topic has been confusing to me. I’m going to leave my XSX at 60HZ, unless I’m specifically playing a game that supports 120HZ. It appears to me that leaving it in 120HZ affects the picture negatively. For one, I see a pink highlight on text when enabled. New subscriber!
Iv seen 4 of your videos today and they’re all really good! Just subscribed! Simple and to the point. Thanks 👍🏼🤘🏼
Thank you!
@@GamingTech-TH-cam auto black level or low?
Late to the party, but I have to disagree. For me, the jump frpm 422 to 444 is very noticeable. If you are sensitive enough to sharpness, it's inmeadiatly evident how it increases from one mode to the other. I dont know about other people's eyes, but mine are pretty sensitive and I can tell the difference.
Your console already sends RGB to TV if there's enough bandwidth.
This is a great video that actually answers this question in a practical way. thank you!
Finally. Took a German guy to address the misconceptions. Another drawback for setting ps5 in pc mode is that you have to connect your ps5 directly to TV and then sur an earc port to output audio to receiver. That way you get a lossy signal from the TV and you are better off using a hdmi 2.1 receiver directly connected to ps5
If you have an HDMI 2.1 receiver, you should definitely be connecting your XBOX Series X and/or PS5 to that receiver. Now, if you own a receiver that is not HDMI 2.1 capable, and does not have that bandwidth, then for sure, you connect your console to the TV, and let the TV passthrough the audio to the receiver via its ARC connection. Now in the case of the latter, yes, you are going to experience "lossy" audio. You'll be able to use Dolby Digital 7.1 or DTS with an older receiver. You won't have the ability to utilize the Dolby Atmos or DTS:X audio features available for use on the latest gaming consoles, which does kind of suck. However, I've got my XBOX Series X and PS5 consoles both connected to HDMI 2.1 switches, which enables me to switch either of their signals from being sent to either my home theater system - which consists of my 65" LG C2 OLED display, connected to my Pioneer Elite VSX LX505 receiver, which is setup in a 5.1.4 Atmos configuration - or to my desktop system - which consists of my HP PC, and my 42" LG C3 OLED display, (which is used as a PC monitor most of the time) connected to my much more dated Onkyo TX NR929 receiver, which I use to power what is the most killer desktop audio system I've ever had, which is in it's entirety, that receiver and a 3.1 speaker setup. I just recently connected everything to my desktop up this way, just because I had upgraded our home theater, and I'm always looking for an excuse to mess around with some speakers, and I had the older receiver sitting around doing nothing, as well as our old 10" powered subwoofer sitting and collecting dust as well. So I just decided to hook it all up, so that whenever I do end up playing on the 42" C3, I could still have some killer sound. All that aside, I'm not going to sit here and say that there is no big difference between the two, because not having audio which would otherwise be coming at you from 6 whole other channels, well, that's a significant enough difference I believe, to call a "big" one. However, the quality of the audio coming from my smaller desktop system is still amazing, high quality audio. I can crank it WAY up, and hear things crisp and clear, and detailed, so much more than I could ever hear if I were using just the speakers on my television. And my televisions both, are LG OLEDs, one, barely a year old, and the other, is only about a month old, so both of them are Dolby Atmos capable HDMI 2.1 televisions. Even so, the audio from my older Onkyo TX NR929 receiver is still worlds better, and far more detailed than anything that either of the TVs could ever produce. So if any of you out there are worried about the quality of your audio, because you are using a more dated ARC receiver, as opposed to an eARC capable receiver, to the point that you are considering upgrading to a newer eARC capable HDMI 2.1 receiver, I would encourage you not to worry about it too too much. Unless your receiver is considerably old, it should have the ability to match the audio to the screen in terms of allowing you to experience your audio without the first bit of noticeable delay. Most will even do this automatically, but even the few that don't, still provide the ability for you to go in their settings and adjust the delay for yourselves, and you can get it pretty exact when you are using by the millisecond adjustments. Put it this way, if your receiver is ARC capable, and actually shakes hands with your tv ok, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about at all. Now, if you are interested in Dolby Atmos and DTS:X specifically, because you are actually a "home theater enthusiast", and you would like to experience object based audio/surround sound, then by all means, upgrade. It absolutely IS awesome, and one hell of an experience to be able to have in your own home when streaming content, or watching movies, tv, and playing games. But you don't NEED an Atmos/DTS:X capable receiver in order to enjoy your audio. It IS an improvement in terms of the additional channels, but the QUALITY of my audio, in regard to my desktop setup, is just as detailed and clear as the audio from my home theater system. Just figured I'd mention my experience here, on the off chance it might help someone.
Ive noticed that fps sensitivity goes down in pc mode on lg cx when playing xbox series x
In console mode sensitivity is higher
So is it input delay or is it frame rate i run these test on 120 fps games and lg is displaying 120hz
Vrr is on 2.1 and have tested freesync premium pro aswell
I use a epson tw7000 Beamer. Tried also all modes rgb full etc. And this test pattern too. I own Burosch Patterns for All Resolutions. And i can say on my 110 inch screen i barly can See a difference at All. Text in 4:2:0 looks in Front standing 1meter away the same as 4:4:4. Only if you cocentrate extremly you See sometimes a difference.
I notice everything looks sharper and brighter in pc mode. I don’t know why because everything says it’s the same in info. But with ps5 it looks noticeable brighter and clearer in menu and in game .
By setting my LG C3 4:4:4 pass through mode on in hdmi settings I see meaningful difference in brightness when playing hdr games on ps5. Also it seems like there is bit more detail overall.
You are doing very helpfull content. You are only one person on youtube who told me that I do not need GPU with hdmi 2.1. Just set it to 4:2:0 and 4K 120hz is ON. But if you have a time, please do video about YCbCr /RGB.
A pc not running at 4:4:4 is bad. The text is worse and everything on pc is made for 4:4:4. Go to rtings for some test images. Oh and let’s be honest no gpu that doesn’t support hdmi 2.1 has the power to run 4K 120hz
the main difference is that many TH-camrs such as HDTV Test recommends PC source mode for PS5 gaming because of input lag. I am not sure if you had a chance to test out input lag difference between PC mode and Game mode I would really love your input. and Thanks
Hi. Is there any info out there what the different is in terms of the input lag? Even there is a difference. The IL on the CX is in the 120Hz mode around 7ms. This is already amazing. I am using PC Mode for my PC to get RGB but for Xbox and PS5 I stick to the normal mode
Pc mode does get you the lowest input lag, i can tell when i play fighting games
@@johnm4397 PS5？
The reason why pc mode right now is better is because it fixes the pixelation flicker that occurs with vrr 120hz on the lg cx.. i can say that with experience since it fixed it for me also see the videos of quantom oled for reference since he talks about this
please could you explain to me how to set up correctly on xbox series x and OLED LG c9 ... I don't understand why I'm Italian ... you can also write me in English then I'll translate .... I wanted to know the input I have to put PC ??? then 30 bit or 8 bit ?? standard color space or RGB PC ??? thanks very kind
Use standard color space and set your LG c9 to rgb range low
Thanks as always for your suggestions! A question for you: does your cx switch to game mode when connected to ps5? Mine the first time has selected Standard profile by default.
No . I think standard was also selected.
Apparently ps5 doesn’t support ALLM yet so I d it won’t automatically switch to game mode. I know my ps4 and Nintendo switch do it , so I don’t see y the ps5 shouldn’t be able to do it
The title should say "and why you do not need it". You are missing the do
Shit and my translator told me it is also right not to use do before NOT. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I changed it 😎 THANK YOU!
Ok so I disabled pc mode and did a full reset of the tv. Then I calibrated the game modes SDR and HDR and after that I can't change the color space or color temperature anymore. They are greyd out. The color space says wide. Is this because I used the LG 16-255 autocal setting? Only after a reset of the picture settings I can change the color space and temperature again.
Not sure but Calman will disable some features after autocal
I was about to buy the new Elgato 4K pro capture card so that I could get a 1:1 passthough for HDR. My capture card is only compatible with HDMi 2.0 and powers my OLED C3 with HDR yuv 422 and my PC with HDR RGB 8 bit with dithering instead of 10 bit. Is everything still up to date and can I keep my money? I would be so happy about an answer. Can I leave it like that and still have perfect HDR experience on the PS5 and the PC? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE AWSOME WORK BY THE WAY!
PC mode on my 49UK6300 gives me much better colours, when I change the input back to hdmi it looks very washed out. I use PC mode input and game mode 👍
Thanks for making this video. Very informative and done so in clear way. I'm now a new subscriber, looking forward to checking out your other videos. Keep up the good work.
Welcome aboard!
Hi, I need some help, I have a lot of grafient banding in HDR with my pc in RGB 444 and 422 the only smotth result i take is with 420 12 bits… how is possible? I use hdmi 2.0. What is the best set up for hdr 4k@60 hdmi 2.0 in pc with lg cx?
What about the color gamut on the C1. I prefer Native with saturation at 50. Game optimizer locks that option
Hi! Vielen Dank für das tolle Video ja hab deinen Kommentar gelesen mit TV mode. Möchte mir einen CX zum Black Friday kaufen und bin ich schonmal gut am informieren beste Einstellungen usw. Hab selbst eine PS5 und nen PC mit einer 2070s angebunden aber leider noch nen alten denon welcher nur HDMI 2.0 beherrscht. Meine Frage ist kann man an den CX eine rtx 3080/90 direkt anschließen und 4k@120h MIT HDR und VRR/Gsync nutzen und über z.B. eARC oder ARC ein Dolby Atmos Signal weiterleiten oder reichen die 40gbs vom CX dafür nicht aus?
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gute frage mit der weiterleitung. ganz ehrlich weiss ich nicht. aber ist der ton bei hdmi nicht getrennt vom bild? sollte also passen.
I will follow your advise and turn PC mode off on my 65" CX.
Just try to find a difference on with the XBOX X between 4:4:4 and 4:2:2
I use PC mode in my lg and you don't need any color correction made by the tv when playing games, they are really well optimized, i only feel the need to change it when I'm watching Netflix on my Xbox, but that with lg is easy just change it to hdmi an you have all your previous settings.
Hallo Super Video,
ich habe eine Frage und hoffe, dass du die mir beantworten kannst.
- Ich besitze einen LG C2 in 65 Zoll, zugleich habe ich eine Xbox series X und eine PS 5.
Im Dashboard habe ich jeweils die XBSX und die PS5 in HDMI Eingängen auf PC umgestellt.
auf der XBSX habe ich denn den Farbraum auf 10-Bit und auf RGB PC umgestellt auf 120 HZ. Sollte ich um wirklich 4:4:4 auf 60 Hz runtergehen ? oder sagst du stell dein LG C2 HDMI auf Spiel Konsole ein.
LG
Modern TVs SHOULD be using 4:4:4 chroma out of the box for hdmi devices, ESPECIALLY if they detect a PS5 or XBX. But they still make us set the label as PC. Why? And why should correct text and uncompressed color only be for PC users? Who made up that rule in the first place? The first time I ever used 444 "PC Mode" on my PS4 slim it totally shocked me at how much a difference it made in games. There was extra sharpness and texture detail everywhere, but also a nice soft anti aliasing effect on everything as well. Colors had more pop, there was less banding, and there was less input lag. There were literally no downsides.
Excellent explanation. Well done sir.
Nice!!! immer weiter so, bruder aus der ferne 😉👍
Yeah i get it i don't need 4:4:4 in 4k 120hz, yet PS5 output 4:4:4 in 4k 60hz instead of 4:2:0. Why? Because it's capable of being BETTER in 4k 60hz mode and not capable in 120hz mode. You keep saying that it doesn't matter if it's 444 or 420. At the end of the day, when the technology is there to support 4:4:4 in 4k 120hz mode, what will be the output format? 4:4:4. Period.
Another disadvantage of pc mode, at least on C8, is banding, especially in HDR.
Been resolved since then. But yeah was a problem before
Hello @Amok4All , thank you for your videos already, I have my PS5 connected to a lg C1 and I agree with you in principle, I tried the PC mode and the Console mode and it is quite difficult to the eye to see a difference especially when playing 3m from the TV. However, are there any disadvantages to activating PC mode compared to console mode? If there is no inconvenience and it brings a "plus" (enable 4: 4: 4) why not do it?
Thank you for your attention.
The "negative" of using it is that your TV disables almost all processing of the image and while this may seem like a good thing you lose access to things like color correction motion smoothing and a number of other picture "enhancements" provided by your TV's processing.
Effectively there is no benefit whatsoever to using it that's discernable and there are ACTUAL very discernable negatives depending on how your TV settings are configured.
Basically you'll get the same or better image quality by just sticking to non pc mode options and using your displays built in image processing.
What about the games,wich is better 4:2:0 or 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 or RBG ot sRGB, 34"" LG 34GN850-B IPS,10bit monitor ?🤔
Hmm I didn’t know this so thanks for explaining . I’ve heard people are also using pc mode because it works with VRR better / removed VRR glitching . Is that not true then ?
I have no expierenced with that issue.
So game mode is okay if all I want is PC gaming? And this will get me 1440p at 120hz at 4:2:2 and gsync?
Yes, game mode is just fine
I understand what you say but personally I'm pretty sure I will spot the difference between 4:4:4 and 4:2:2 because I'm really close to my TV. But in any case there isn't many 120 fps games on the PS5, what I'm more curious is if the VRR will allow game to get closer to 90 fps while maintaining 4:4:4. If 4K 60 4:4:4 10b-HDR is 22.28Gbps then we should be able to get a bit higher than 60 to reach the 32 gbps. For me 90 fps is the sweet spot for framerate.
So I actually saw the difference between 4:4:4 and 4:2:2 and it's clearly visible. There is more banding. It sure isn't game breaking but it's still annoying.
Bandwidth isn't issue anymore?
48 Gbps from Series X to Sony XE70, how? Please explain. Good luck because you're going to need it.
No, Series X|S does not send 4:2:2 automatically if bandwidth is not enough (for example 2160p/60hz/10bit through HDMI 2.0) because depending on how well your display handles it 4:2:2 can produce unwanted artifacts.
Finally someone who talks truth. Can you do some xsx and lg c9 settings? Greetings from Chile
My friend! Sorry but there are lot of comments and blabla... I got series x too 😊so what is your suggestion? Pc mode or console mode? Thx
I am using the game mode for my consoles
@@GamingTech-TH-cam so if i just simple change the icon in home dashboard and it represents the mode?! What a suprise 😊
@GamingTech can you please tell me what input mode should i use for watching HDR movies on LG C1 connected with my Macbook Air M1 using HDMI 2.0 ? PC mode or Blu ray player mode? because i think pc mode is not that bright in highlights as bluray player mode thanks for replay
Amok if i calibrate my LG CX with Autocal on a "Game console icon" in dashboard, do i heave to calibrate it again in PC mode?
Yes. Because the PC Mode is a different Picture Mode
so full rgb and YCBCR 444 should look the same on my monitor? I subscribe, greetings from Argentina!!
@Amok4All Can you explain this? PC Mode on my LG C7 makes the whites/light sources in my HDR games absolutely amazing. I have no idea why. This is on all hardware including Xbox.
Thanks amok4all for the info really helpfull but Just out curiosity can the ps5 do 4.4.4 ore RGB with hdr 4k 30fps Fore example demons souls cinematic mode will be 30 fps lock if you do cinematic mode, so in treu sense the game can do 4.4.4 RGB hdr 4k 30 FPS right??? If Sony wanted IT?.
Yes
Yes and 60 just not 120 need more then 32 HB hdmi 2.1 for that
What about banding in tonal transitions or gradients? I noticed that in 4.4.4 is more smooth as we have more information about colors.
Hi. I noticed this also that in some games the PC mode is better in terms of banding. BUT I also noticed that in HDR in The Last of Us Banding in PC Mode is worse then in game mode. I think that has also to do with the calibration of the greyscale. I will look more into this because when I did this video I was not able to see ANY difference in terms of banding between PC and game mode. BUT I calibrated since then my TV a couple of times and also there is a brandnew FW Update which can also cause a new issue or make things better. But again I agree that lately PC Mode is much better in terms of banding! Unfortunately I can't go back with my FW updates to test this with an older FW.
Indeed
I'm sure PC mode is only worth using on the XSX. Because of its features.
PS5 there is no point because its lacking the features the XSX has
@@lewis523 correct. Well
Until/if PlayStation patch out the 32gb cap. I guess that will happen at the same time VRR gets added. For sure though they have problems or it would be here already.
@@christiansoneson5631 yeah definitely. There is no reason why they should should be delaying such a simple a feature. Then again, they can't even get the internal ssd slot activated on release. God knows what games they are playing at Sony.
Xbox series x and lg cx owner. Not sure if to leave it as it is or switch it to pc mode? I’m always in Dolby vision so not sure it would look any better anyway?
Would you mind sharing how you customized your Gaming mode settings (or which settings you changed from default)?
Yea I don't understand why people was going crazy over this. Unless you're in the pc space, console gaming and movies it won't make a difference. Before I got my nanocell 99 people were complaining that it didn't have 4:4:4 8k 60hz. I would always explain its not going to be necessary for 8k console content or movies. Sometimes most of these TH-camrs send misinformation and people go with it. You actually know what you're talking about. I believe Playstation will update the firmware, so the system can output the full bandwidth. I think they're waiting for VRR stability across all TVs and 8k textures/content in future games. I believe once UE5 is officially released and devs start using the tools. PS5 will be able to take advantage of those high res textures due to its ssd.
When you buy something you want the best for your money. No one who’s trying to get the best cares if you say “but you can’t use it with what is available.” It’s not to say that you can’t make use of it later or just simply want to know that your money is buying the best
@@Millicente Nothing wrong with that, but we're talking about a product that is only limited by the firmware and not the hardware. As for my example the current supported bandwidth is simply not enough and won't be until the next spec revision comes around.
@@Millicente HDMI 2.1 bandwidth (48 Gbps) isn't enough for 4K120, 12bit (DV), 4-4-4. That's before even mentioning limits of consoles:
PS5 is limited to 32 Gbps.
Series X is limited to 18 Gbps (HDMI 2.0) in 60hz mode and 40 Gbps in 120hz mode.
I'll stick to PC mode. I use different picture modes for different games and PC modes let's me change settings on the fly and keep input lag low..
pc
mode is lowest imput lag？
When my CX says Pushing the green button several times. It says RGB when playing 4K 60fps HDR. Is that 4:4:4 . ??
Very informative video 👍
Interesting video thanks, I just got my xbox series x and have a cx TV. I got some console settings yesterday by watching Vincent on hdtvtest TH-cam channel where he recommended change input to pc and on the xbox untick the allow ycc 422 and then I'll get 444 chroma, I'm also gaming in dolby vision game mode instead of HDR as it's a new feature and some say is better. The weird thing is when I'm playing a game in dolby vision and repeatedly click the green button on lg remote it tells me it's playing in 422 (which I unticked) and 8 bit. I'm very confused by all of this and I'm not a tech head,seeming as you have exactly the same setup as me could you please help me with both my tv settings and xbox settings, should I be in game mode instead of pc and should I use hdr or dolby vision, should allow 422 be ticked? Also if you have any TV picture settings for cx hdr game preset or dolby vision game I'd really appreciate it. I just want to get the best gaming experience from the console and TV. Thanks 👍
I just got a C1 and hooked up to my XSX and PS5 and found the same as you when I press the green button repeatedly I get 4:2:0 8bit showing ?
Have you figured it out or a solution ? Thanks
@@thebesttheworst2277 Same here. I put my C1 in Pc Mode in my Xbox SX and I only get 4:2:2 and never 4:4:4
Hi was ist besser 4:2:2 8bit oder 4:2:0 10bit bei der Xbox one X
4:2:2 8bit ist theoretisch besser als 4:2:0 10bit . Aber wenn du hdr nutzen magst dann gibt es nur 10bit. Falls deine xbox nur 4:2:0 ausgibt versuch mal 4:2:2 in den picture settings von der xbox.
@@GamingTech-TH-cam genau das ist es ja stelle ich die Xbox auf 442 ein kommt immer nur 8 Bit auch bei hdr sagt mir der tv Nano 867 Modell 2020 deaktiviert man 422 in der Xbox dan kommt nur 420 10bit hdr
@@GamingTech-TH-cam can you translate this sentence to English for me please?
That's exactly what I'm setting the Xbox to 442, always only comes to 8 bits, even at hdr, tells me the tv Nano 867 model 2020 deactivated you 422 on Xbox, then only 420 10bit hdr
@@Gogo-ut5wm thanks!
The PS5 isn’t capable of chroma Subsambling 4:4:4 Only the series x can hit that
According to HDTV test the ps5 out puts 4:4:4 RGB at 4k60hz it drops to yuv 4:2:2 when doing 120hz and both are at 12bit not using pc mode....it has been proven.
@@godhand6510 I have the PS5 connected to the LG C9 and the video output information states, 4:2:2 4K 60hz RGB FULL. Can you post the link where your seeing 4:4:4 because im pretty sure the PS5 doesnt support chroma subsambling 4:4:4
@@Kapono5150 look up hdtvtest it shouldn't be to far down but Vincent proved that lg is not displaying correct information it is showing 4k 60hz rgb 4:4:4 at 12bit ill if i can get the title of it fir you
@@Kapono5150 look at his vid from 1 day ago and 3 days ago
Any thoughts on the MCLASSIC it uses 4:4:4
Does PC Mode give you lower input lag on the LG CX?
someone said it does but idk
I have the same problem with a Samsung TV! PC Mode give me 4:4:4 (tested with 4:4:4 pattern on PS4 Pro) but i can´t change my color gamut anymore. It is native on PC Mode. :( But only auto give me the original colors. So i must use Console Mode and Game Mode.
But what if instead of setting PC mode on the TV you manually disable all that post processing that leads to input lag? This would leave you the option to set another mode and therefore to be able to adjust the color settings at will, right?
That is reason to avoid PC mode. Just like Filmmaker Mode, PC mode locks you out of many options. There is only very small difference between PC mode and properly set up game mode in terms of input lag.
You might get away with it if ypu only play games. For movies you do want to have access to to some of those post processing features your TV can do.
I'm going back to this video and by running pc mode it removes a lot of the stuttering and is smoove than not using it especially with 2.1hdmi. Found with nba2k24 a lot of this is fixed and the graphics look better in 4:4:4
Whats better pc mode or game mode for console gaming
What about XSX 8 bit and 10 bit is moving up to 10 bit better or worse I think it looks better but is that placebo?
Yes gaming tech but how about input lag the main reason for pc mode on consoles and gaming is input lag not colour
On the lg CX and ps5, Pc mode yes or no?
pc mode gets you lower input lag
Any idea why when Dolby vision is enable on the Xbox Netflix is 8bit, but with Dolby Vision off its 10bit?
Hi @amok4all, when I use The pc mode (chroma 444) and have hdr active on my playstation 5, does my tv (Samsung Q60r) display wrong colors? Because it seems like, the color red or blue appears stronger when quitting PC-Mode.
Check if your colour gamut is set to auto in the picture settings.
Xbox have a RGB mode. So it is way to go if I set a tv in pc mode?
Hi mate. Help me please im french and i dont understand good english.
I have an lg b7v, i need to switch on pc mode or no? 8 bit or 10 bit? Thank you so much.
No you don't need to. 8bit is also fine.
@@GamingTech-TH-cam thank you bro!😃👍
Hi, I have a request for you, how will you be able to test the rtx 3080 with hgig and black level please make a video, it is very interesting to hear your opinion. thanks
I don't have a 3080
@@GamingTech-TH-cam Aren't you going to buy it?
@@user-Evgen3195 why don't you send him one ;) they're really hard to find rn btw
@@user-Evgen3195 not sure if I buy 3080 or 6900xt
There is huge difference between full rgb and yuv 422. What you are saying "you can't see difference" is clear misleading. Also you can't quite represent 100% exact accurate full rgb even with the yuv 444.
Why is it misleading if I say , I can't see a difference in video games? On the PC it is a different story with all the little text and letters on the screen. Also RGB or YCBCR (YUV is analogue) is from the technical point of view not the same that is right and I mentioned this BUT there is not difference for the human eye.
@@GamingTech-TH-cam If we talk about RGB and YCbCr 422 there is very easy noticeable difference. The way I can explain it the image feels more digital when your feed is YCbCr where on full-rgb that does look more natural richer colored and even sharper too. But if we go 4k YCbCr422 and 4k YCbCr444 on video games there is still difference but lets say not as big.
@@vindin641 so what would you choose? Where the small difference? in graphics or??
6:28 as a LG CX user, when I put 4K Video Transfer Rate on -1 in the PS5 settings, in 120fps HDR games the PS5 will automatically lower the resolution to 1080p and allow 4:4:4 chroma and 12-bit color depth.
12 bit on 10 bit panel....hm
What was that game with the cars you were showing off in the backround?
So can I use 4:2:2 chroma and play games 4k120hz?
depends on your tv but I would say yes
i have an LG b9, and if i don’t use PC Mode with the PS5, then i get loads of banding..
And you don’t get the auto black level mode. This dude don’t care about the 2019 models anymore, we can chat here, and talk about our current settings for the tv and for the PlayStation. What are your settings?
@@jofernandez73 hola Jose cuales son tus configuraciones para el LG C9 con el PS5? Yo lo tengo en PC mode por lo del auto black level
@@vparziale OLED CX and C9
Summary:
Home screen
Edit
Set appropriate HDMI input to "PC" (changing this will
reset all picture mode settings)
Settings:
Set picture mode to "Game"
Advanced settings:
Energy Saving: off
SDR:
Picture mode settings for SDR games:
Oled light: 75
Contrast:85
Brightness:50
Sharpness: 0
Color: 55
Advance control:
Gamma: BT.1886
White Balance: Warm2
Picture Mode Settings:
Black Level: Auto
HDR:
Settings:
Set picture mode to "Game"
Advanced settings:
Energy Saving: off
Picture mode settings for HDR Games
Oled light: 100
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness:
0
Color: 55
Advanced Controls:
Dynamic Tone Mapping: HGIG (Dark) DTM on
(brighter)
White Balance: Warm2
Picture Mode Settings:
Black Level: Auto
PS5: Everything AUTO except HDR: on when supported
Adjust HDR passing 1 more after barely visible
@@jofernandez73 thanks a lot . It looks now much better. Wasn’t sure if I should switch to pc mode , but it definitely improves the image quality
Hab jetzt ein paar Games im Game - oder PC Modus getestet. Und es gibt schon einen Unterschied. In "Observer System Redux" ist es offensichtlich. In einem Bereich leicht grün vernebelt sieht man eindeutig Banding im Konsolen Modus. Kann leider keine Bilder hier anhängen.
Hast du die xbox direct am CX angeschlossen? Welcher HDMI eingang? Gleiche bild Einstellungen?
@@GamingTech-TH-cam Ja direkt angeschlossen, HDMI 1, 4k 120HZ, VRR, 10 BIT,
@@GamingTech-TH-cam Konsole gibt auch RGB 10b 4L10 aus, es ist mir in Observer Extrem aufgefallen, habe jetzt schon viele Games getestet, in "Bright Memory" im Ladebilsdchirm gibts auch Banding aber in jedem Modus. Wäre Interessant wieso es überhaupt Banding gibt in manchen Games, müsste doch ein Standart sein vom Ausgabeformat, oder auch nicht.
It’s good BUT settings are greyed out, So it has no point their is no calibration.
But in Pc mode i can get lower input lag i can instantly feel it in multiplayer games
I try it but i think degrading a little bit of smoothness of the game.
You just took a thorn off my side.
I was hesitating between 2 TV models Sony XH90 and XH95 because hdmi 2.0 cannot output 4K 60hz 10-bit 4: 4: 4, but only 4K 60hz 10-bit 4: 2: 2.
I'll take the 55XH95: better HDR, better processing. I don't need to play at 4K 120 fps. Playing in 4K60 or 1080p120 is enough for me.
A big thank you for your video, finally someone who explains well this option which we do not know if we should need it or not on the consoles.
How do I take off pc mode
Is it possible to play 2160p 120hz hdr on PS5
I have a c9 and i only care about 4k60hz gaming. So will i get 444 chroma without pc mode for 4k60 or do i have to turn on pc mode for that?
You have to turn it on otherwise the TV will always use 4:2:2
I am using ps5 btw
@@GamingTech-TH-cam awesome so pc mode should be used unless i am trying to play at 4k120hz
@@kingraza32 you can keep it on. No point to switch back when you use 120hz
So you ONLY care about 4k60? You can use either option on 4k120, but you want a way to limit it so you never go above 60hz? Why?
on rtings in pc mode the latency of input lag increases
Thanks for clarifying this. Another point not to use PC Mode.
I didn't know this and now do thank you.
@DoCrAzYJoKeR Do you have a source for this?
@@yinx9 Native Resolution
10.7 ms
Native Resolution @ 60Hz
13.6 ms
Variable Refresh Rate
11.1 ms
Variable Refresh Rate @ 60Hz
15.2 ms
10 Bit HDR
13.7 ms
Black Frame Insertion (BFI)
15.3 ms
The LG 48 CX OLED has excellent low input lag, but it's not as low as some other 120Hz monitors, like the Dell Alienware AW3420DW. It only slightly increases at 60Hz or with VRR enabled, which is great. We measured this in 'Game' mode with the input label set to 'PC', which are the settings required to achieve the lowest input lag possible. Outside of 'Game' mode in the 'Expert (Dark Room)' Picture Mode with the input lag set to 'PC', we measured an input lag of 15.2 ms at 4k @ 120Hz.
www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/48-cx-oled
What about pcrgb mode series x and dell s2721dgf
If you are using an PC Monitor go for PCRGB Mode and compare.
I feel like the input lag is lower in pc mode
On my LG B9 the pc mode as auto color gamut available also has auto black level options and I think its best to us on PS5 as it lets you turn off hdr in the PS5 settings without the need to do the extra step in the tv settings changing the black levels back and forth when going from HDR to SDR
Why do you have to change the black level all the time ? Set it on auto and all good. Again the PS5 does NOT support 4:4:4 in HDR 4K anyway. So again in my pinon no need for PC Mode at all. Anyway it is interesting that you still have the option to change the color gamut. Are you in the gaming picture settings?
@@GamingTech-TH-cam so I’ve been using game mode but on the b9, and I only have black level low and high on the black level options, there’s no auto unless you use pc mode then it becomes available.
So before PS5, I’ve been treating SDR as being full RGB 444 on PS4 PRO, so for that you need black level high and then RGB range set to automatic on PS4 pro, then when it switches to HDR on the old PS4 pro it’s ycc422 hdr so you need limited range and black level low. So if I needed to switch black levels over on the tv, when I’m in normal game mode does not have an auto black level option on game mode just high and low, but now with pc mode it has auto black level option. I still don’t know which is best to use as I’ve tried both full range RGB hdr and limited hdr and see no difference on the PS5.
@@GamingTech-TH-cam yeah I use pc mode then choose game in the pre sets
@@GamingTech-TH-cam so now because the PS5 has constant hdr output, it’s a nightmare if you want to play in SDR, like before you could just set each mode up separately, like SDR black level high and then when you start a hdr game I’d set the settings to black level low, but now it constantly outputs hdr so pc mode for me is the only way of turning off hdr and the black levels auto matching on there own
@@GamingTech-TH-cam please could you explain to me how to set up correctly on xbox series x and OLED LG c9 ... I don't understand why I'm Italian ... you can also write me in English then I'll translate .... I wanted to know the input I have to put PC ??? then 30 bit or 8 bit ?? standard color space or RGB PC ??? thanks very kind
So which mode is better to play PS5 and Xbox series X on LG CX? I thought PC mode prevented glitches graphics. I am confuse now :(
It does at least for me before pc mode i had a lot of pixel glitches on top of the screen
You said the PC mode changes the color gamut from auto to wide. That's weird.
On my CX is on auto but you can change it freely if you want. (pc mode + hdr picture mode Game)
Really. Not on my CX. In picture mode it is greyed out 🧐. I will check again maybe I did something wrong
So do I set both my lg cx and xbox series x to PC mode ???
normal mode for ps5 and x box, pc mode reserved for pc
Hello. I have a question. As in the xbox series x options we set 4k and 60hz, will VRR still work after launching the assasin? However, is it required to enable the 120HZ option for VRR, but the game doesn't support it?
VRR will also work in 60Hz on the Xbox X. As far as I know the Xbox supports VRR from 30fps to 120fps. Please correct me if I am wrong.
@@GamingTech-TH-cam
Somewhere I read that by switching to 60HZ in xbox x, the system switches to hdmi 2.0 mode which vrr does not support. Could you set xbox x to 60hz mode, run assasin and see in tv options if vrr is on?
@@Pavku1983 Hi, i hear it also that when you set 60 fps it will drop the banwith to HDMI 2.0 🤔
@@Pavku1983 it will switch to HDMI 2.0 mode at 60Hz, yes. But, VRR still works. The One X was HDMI 2.0 and managed to use VRR. It was one of its selling points.