I hated this ending, Throughout the whole game I thought I was playing as the actual big boss, and I wanted too see many more levels to come. But of course I'm wrong as always
@@flamable2047 this ending explained a lot of things, also why in metal gear 1 big boss was killed but returns in metal gear 2. It's because solid snake killed venom
@@Gazzoosethe1 So, in 1984 Big Boss helps create a body double to stand in for him while he goes on his own to create Outer Heaven and Metal Gear, IN ORDER TO hand it all over TO his double later on. THEN he rejoins Foxhound and orders Solid Snake to go and destroy the place, AND at the same time he gives all the details of the operation to his double on a cassette tape? I know this is late, but I finished the game a couple of days ago, and I am pissed.
i wanna leave my honest opinion on this ending as i'd understand it the 1st time i played it when it came out There's 5 things to realize in this ending 1. The whole message from Big Boss to Venom is a symbolic and metaphorical. Its basically Kojima saying thank you to the fans for supporting him & the games. "I am you & you are me, thank you my friend.. from here on out, you're Big Boss" Kojima is saying that he couldn't have done all these without his fan's support but he doesnt want to carry the merit with him alone, he wanna share it with all of us who played it. Konami might take the series from him, but it will always be with us till the end of time. 2. This also explain why Big Boss is called Ismael while Venom is called Ahab, its based on a book "the Hunt for Moby Dick" or something, Ahab being the star of the show while Ismael sitting on the sideline watching everything happen.. The story is about Ahab, but through the eyes of Ismael.. Big Boss sat on the sideline while Venom makes everything happen. Kojima sat on the sideline and watch us play through the game via TH-cam. The whole thing is about duality. 3. Thats the reason why this entry is called Metal Gear Solid V instead of 5, V is Venom Snake, we are Venom Snake, therefore this title is all about us, the players.. we are canon, we are what connects Big Bosses story to Solid Snake's story 4. Operation Intrude N3N3 is the name of the operation in Metal Gear 1 on MSX Home Computer.. Solid Snake's mission to infiltrate Outer Heaven. Speaking of which, the machine next to the Bitcoder IS the MSX Home Computer. Which means in this seamless cutscene, years has passed and we are now transported to Metal Gear 1 storyline, Venom has gone demon and all those background gunfire and explosion is Solid Snake infiltrating. 5. Outer Heaven logo in the background after Venom punched the mirror.. Clarifying point no.4 even further. I know alot of people were upset that it doesnt show Solid Snake and have Hayter voicing a cameo but remember the title's name.. Phantom Pain. Something that is supposed to be there but it isn't and yet.. the pain wont go away
Regarding point 1, I also really like how the real Big Boss became exactly what he hated in MGS3. A user. Venom is used against his will (even though he looks happy to be carrying on BB's will) by the very same guy who hated how The Boss was used by the US government in MGS3
+Aizenx07 I'm guessing it changes to the outer heaven logo to show time passing. When Venom walks into the smoke he's walking to fight Solid Snake (and to his death). The back of the cassette says 'operation intrude n313' which was the name of the mission in the original Metal Gear game.
Big Boss Created Outer Heaven not only to make his dream come true He needs an army to Surpass Cipher/Patriots Venom Snake And Diamond Dogs are just Decoys to get Cipher Attention While Real BB building Outer Heaven He also wanted World Peace and never let anyone know what Cipher is But thanks to Solid Snake that never happened back in MG2 SS
loved the scene where Big Boss & Revolver Ocelot share a brief moment of friendship as the sun is rising. Especially on the ending music with Ocelot leaving and the camera slowly zooming in with Big Boss starting the motorcycle and staring directly at us the audience... kind of my ending that I'd have when I leave for another adventure.
+The Changeling No. It shows how he was in MG2. In MG2 he was killed again, but kept barely alive by the Patriots to keep their system running. Then, he's put back together by nanomachines to die at the end of MGS4.
Venom snake died in mg 1, in mg 2 naked snake almost died but is kept alive then is reconstructed with parts of solidus I think, then in mgs 4 he dies cuz of FOXDIE
lol seriously. what was the critical thinking behind that? yeah sure just have the medic pretend to be legendary hero BB. I'm sure he'll be able to perform all these almost supernatural missions and kick my enemies' ass while I go on hiatus building Outer Heaven
+David Robles You do realize Big boss himself said "the medic" was literally the best Soldier in MSF after him and Kaz so of course he could handle complex/supernatural missions plus he has Ocelot and Kaz giving him support.
Now before you rip me to shreds, I think that Keifer Sutherland does a better Big Boss. Now while I am a big fan of David Hayter's voice, I think that it's good that BB and Solid Snake have distinctions in their voices.
Regular Flurfy clones are supposed to sound the same, act the same, be the same. before you say what i think youll say. liquid has the english accent because he spent alot of his life in britain. otherwise hed sound like snake. as they both got older im not sure as to why they looked different as old men (big boss and old snake) why they soynded differently in mgs4 was as to probably not confuse people so they wouldnt be hearing hayter twice and not know who said what. and even if his voice did change. they cloned BB whike he was still young so thats why snake sounded like BB. theres no real reason sutherland had to be BB and ill always be a wee bit salty about that.
+BigBooney117 I feel like Hideo Kojima is saying that we are Big Boss. Everything that put the rest of the games in motion is because of us, the fans. Anyone can be big boss and he will live on through us all.
To add to what this guy was saying, basically another brilliant thing IS the fact we don't play the actual Big Boss, because he's his own person and we can never truly be him. In other words, he's immortalized as the legendary Big Boss, leaving us to last play him in his prime in Peace Walker before realizing he was really a villain who played not only us the players - but everyone else. The detachment was his downfall, or rather, we didn't see a particular moment in a downfall because it was his entire saga that was his downfall (Snake Eater, Portable Ops, Peace Walker, Ground Zeroes). The ending says anyone can be "Snake", we are all Big Boss. But we aren't at the same time. And the one we see that is the true BB, is the villain of the series at this last stage of a metamorphosis.
Why is everyone so pissed at this ending in my honest opinion this brings the metal gear and metal gear solid games together, to avoid his own demise and nuclear destruction he made an exact double to carry out his missions and on metal gear 1 the big boss you kill is the venom snake version which will explain the fact that you are directed by big boss to kill big boss(venom snake) because he went fucking insane with power and in turn a way no one expected was the ultimate fall of Big Boss the hero and brings him into infamous villainy this is a great story element very fresh story telling because it surprises the audience. in my years of playing the metal gear and metal gear solid series I never thought big boss was meant to be the villain but the organization and the government were set to tarnish the name of Big Boss the hero. I implore you to please play phantom pain and then play metal gear 1 and 2 you will see it all makes a lot of sense story wise
I agree with Masked Lobo and Venom Snake and Big Boss worked together and they both expected solid snake to fail but instead when solid learns more of the truth, Big Boss had no choice but to tell Venom Snake to fight against Solid Snake. After Venom Snake's downfall, Big Boss would complete Outer Heaven in respect on what he and Venom Snake had started.
Faiz Faisal the real BIG Boss never completes Outer Heaven. It blows up at the end when Solid fights the phantom and venom activates the self destruct for the base, thinking he will take out Snake, but Snake quickly defeats him and escapes the devastation. Big Boss is in Zanzibar land working on that base from Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake👌
I am thinking of a scene to where big boss 1 is older and visits the death place of big boss 2 and salutes him and saying " even though you plunged into darkness, you were one of my best soldiers and did my biddings. I thank you my old friend for your sacrifice."
I wish I could undergo hypnogosia therapy so that I can play this game again for the first time. As i know a lot of people arent a fan of MGSV's story, but I LOVED it! I consider the twist of finding out you werent playing as the original Big Boss, but his phantom, M.S.F's best soldier and medic. One of the best twists in gaming in my opinion.
There's actually another set of cutscenes that have been removed from the main game where it is shown that Raiden is actually Quiet and Kaz is actually Morpho the heli pilot from GZ, but they both underwent surgery and nanoparasite therapy to change their appearances I found them by doing some data mining inside Kojima's ass
I knew that this was the twist months in advance, but I thought they were gonna use Hayter to voice the real Big Boss. Anyone else think that would have been awesome fan service after an overly long game?
Worldwide Wyatt hell no It wouldn't make sense Because solid and big boss are not exact clones of each other an kiefer sounds way better as big boss an hayter is better as solid
@@citatap I assume Hayter's voice would only be used at the end, with Kiefer still voicing him in the beginning and potentially up until the Truth segment, then switching to Hayter for his chat with Ocelot and the tape.
To be fair Kaz pissed off Boss for lying in Peace Walker about Paz, etc. MSF was all built on lies and deception. The 2 were already divided making this choice plus 9 years easier.
I really liked the ending. Snake used his best man for his own objectives, creating another Big Boss to avoid death and a nuclear disaster. Venom Snake was the other half of Big Boss. He thought as Big Boss, he acted as Big Boss, he fought as Big Boss. He even killed his soldiers to go on. Now, my question is....why has this cool ending been ruined by the absence of Mission 51? What about Eli, the parasite and the Sahelanthropus? "This pain...is ours."
+darthkahn45 MGS3 was and is perfectly fine, a perfect origin story for Big Boss and gives you enough indication of why he became a villain. Then MGS4 rolls around and retcons everything so your support team from MGS3 were the villains of the series, even though MGS3 gave no indication of that at all.
***** The reference to the Patriots in MGS2 was indicating that it was an AI, had nothing to do with Zero, he hadnt even been written into the canon yet
mtkl23 You didn't look at this the right way. The mirror was a reflection of his demon, and when he breaks it, Venom isn't looking at his reflection anymore.
@@fatandfurious3305 No the reflection was indeed the reflection of Big Boss, hence the lack of prosthetics and the horn. It's symbolic value is Venom breaking the mirror to embody Big Boss once more to face Solid Snake
what actually happened is that Kojima Fucked our Heads up! He was doing good but suddenly he started a mess with Konami and with his stubborn mind he puts an end in the game on the halfway.This game could goto 100+ episodes because the 2nd chapter just started and never ended!
2:40 really just said “There can only be one Big Boss and one Snake (us)” without using words. And that’s why I don’t take Mission 51 as canon. Take a bow Kojima.
When Venom Snake smashes the mirror and walks into the misty darkness looking sinister, is me descending into a dark change of personality, and I know I'll never be the same man everyone knew.
They played us like a damn fiddle!!!!! Ok, guys, let me tell you something. Do not dislike this ending, t'is a story of V snake only and indeed makes sense for the next games... The next game, i imagine will be of the real Big Boss or maybe of Solid Snake.
When I finished Final Fantasy VII, around 1998, I was sure that I've played the best video game of all time. I was only 13 back then, with a little more than 5 years of gaming experience, and little english knowledge. But FF VII, man... it was special. It still is. Then Metal Gear Solid came a year later - it was truly exceptional. But there was a bigger picture - the Metal Gear universe -, and I didn't know all the details at the time - hell, I might not know everything as of today. So MGS was amazing, but I needed to know more. The motivation behind the characters, their purpose. The whole picture. Since you can't have two favourite games - there should be an "Ultimate" fav, at least for me -, FF VII held the slightest of edges over the MGS franchise (I've played all titles over the years, except Portable Ops) at the top of my list for 17 years. Nothing could touch them, and that's unlikely to change. But after 17 long years, the order has finally reversed. The timing might be strange, because I'm aware that this isn't the best game of the series, nor is truly finished. But MGSV:TPP - and not MGS 4! - somehow gave me the whole picture. Thanks Hideo, you won.
So it is a damn mega inception paradox, because big boss has our face and name, and we are the big boss but the venom is us again and so on, and at the end we all are big boss
see, now this is what bothers me at the beginning the (real big boss) was shot, by bullets from a helicopter at that, so was he not injured? and I thought the car exploded but maybe I just imagined that part
When snake punches that mirror it remjnds me if allthe people that are so pissed off at this ending. They probably felt like punching a mirror too.. Thats why he had venom snake do that lol
Spoilers ahead. I have a theory on the ending of metal gear solid 5. At the end of the game it’s revealed that Venom Snake is not truly Big Boss. This is false. Venom Snake is Big Boss and here’s why. First of all. The man in bandages. He is a hallucination. There is a cassette tape labeled “the effects of Snake’s coma”. In it is mentioned that Snake is still feeling the effects of his 9 year coma just after waking up. So, figuring out what is real in the hospital is tricky. Anything can be hallucinated. So, a good way to tell if something is hallucinated or not is determining if something seen in the hospital appears later in the game. This kind of evidence can be found from anywhere except cassette tapes. Spoiler alert, but Big Boss is capable of hallucinating cassette tapes. BB is also capable of hallucinating entire rooms. That fact, coupled with the fact that he can hallucinate entire conversations, means that the scene at the very end were Ishmael rides off into the sunset and the scene were miller regards Venom Snake as he and the “real” Big Boss are falling into comas can also be a hallucination. This is all supported because at a certain point in the game it is revealed that Paz is still alive. However it turns out that BB hallucinated all the conversations he ends up having with her, AND all the cassette tapes she shares with him and the hospital room they have these conversations in. Things like quite, the man on fire, and the third boy all appear later in the game. So we know that they actually exist because later in the game the effects of Snake’s coma have lessened in some degree. Ishmael is the only thing that doesn’t appear later. But he does appear in mission 46 labeled the “truth”. This is the mission were the twist is revealed. Let me assure you, this mission is anything from the truth. Kojima has been quoted as saying that a lot of things in metal gear are inspired by the book 1984. One of the biggest references in the phantom pain is the year it takes place, 1984. There are cassette tapes that BB receives after the player plays this mission. Many things are “explained” in this mission, but it is totally possible that these were all hallucinated. However these hallucinated cassette tapes are a good way to see what is going on in BB’s head, because BB is subconsciously creating the cassette tapes. One of these cassette tapes is called “doublethink”. In the book 1984 doublethink is a way that the government suppress the truth, enslaving the poor people in London. This cassette tape is where most of the things about Venom are explained. But the nature of doublethink is not knowing what the truth is. Ocelot even says “in this year 2 + 2 = 5”. This cassette tape gets less and less reputable the more you think about it. Even the fact that mission 46 is called the truth makes it more likely to be the lie, because that’s the nature of doublethink. To say one think is the truth when it is a lie. In 1984 the main character’s job is to change old documents so that they seem to predict future events. He fabricates lies from old speeches and reports. This is the case with mission 1 and mission 46. Mission 46 is the change that happens to mission one, reminiscent of the falsified documents in 1984. Not only that, but look at the character of Ishmael. The name is a reference to Moby Dick. In the book, Ishmael is two characters. The protagonist and the narrator. Ishmael can’t be the protagonist because Venom is the protagonist. So naturally he is the narrator. They are the same person, but they can’t exist in the same place, because Ishmael the narrator is older than Ishmael the character because Ishmael the narrator is telling the story about himself. This works with BB and Ishmael. This is supported by another piece of evidence. Ishmael in the game breaks the fourth wall. The nature of a narrator is to break the fourth wall. Narrators always address the audience. Ishmael in the game does this, he address the player when he tells the player to press the stance button. So if Ishmael is the narrator and BB is the protagonist and they therefore can’t exist in the same place then this supports the idea that Ishmael is a hallucination. There are so many inconsistencies created by the end of the game. Like consider this, how to ocelot save the “real” Big Boss? He wipes his memory of Ishmael in one of the “truth” cassette tapes. It seems safe to assume that in-between getting Ishmael a ride and saving Big Boss in the van I don’t think he had time to wipe his memory and record a cassette tape. AND why does Quite want to kill Big Boss? She explains at the end that she wanted revenge for him burning her but he didn’t burn her. Ishmael did. This little detail made sense when Ishmael was just a hallucination. But if he was really the one who burned Quite then why did she want revenge on BB? If Ishmael was really physically there then she would have wanted revenge on Ishmael not BB. AAND in metal gear solid 4 at the end when Big Boss shows up he mentions that it was impossible to completely recreate someone’s personality until Liquid Ocelot. Now let me explain something. Some of you reading this are probably thinking that there has to be a second Big Boss because in MGS4 he doesn’t have the horn, and because he dies in the first metal gear game. Well let me address the simpler topic first. Big Boss in MGS4 was a Frankenstein of Liquid and Solidus. He was “patched up” using their recycled parts. Now, in the first metal gear game when BB “dies” he gets burned by Solid Snake. But people have survived things similar to this in the series. Zadornov brought himself back to life on the thirst for revenge alone. Quite was burned to death AND fell out of a multi-story window and she was brought back to life using parasites. So whether BB gets juiced up on parasites or he lives on sheer will power alone, it’s entirely possible that he lived. Finally, I’m going to talk about the last important piece of evidence. The Man Who Sold the World. The song that is originally by David Bowie, and featured in MGS 5. In the game it’s interpreted as there being two men. In the case of the game that would be Venom and Big Boss as individual people. When really the song is about one person. It’s about the man’s inner struggle with himself. The struggle between who he really is and the person he has sold himself as. “The Man Who Sold the World” is the image of himself that he has “sold” to the world. So these aren’t two individual Big Boss’. They are the two personalities of the one man. Venom Snake is as much the real physical Big Boss as the Big Boss in the hallucination is. And once you understand this it has HUGE ramifications for the rest of the series. It explains Big Boss. He is stuck between who he has become, venom, punished, and who the world sees him as, Big Boss. He is caught between the phantom pain, and the best part of himself. So when Big Boss rides away on the motorcycle it is symbolic of the best part of Snake leaving. No one can escape the phantom pain. Not even Big Boss.
+Bruce Wayne too many holes in your theory which makes it irrelevant, let me explain. 1st reason: if Venom Snake and Big Boss were the same people, why does Kaz and Ocelot openly acknowledge the existence of both Big Boss and Venom which makes Kaz feel so betrayed that he wants revenge on Big Boss when the time is right? 2nd reason: Big Boss and Ocelot are clearly observing Venom Snake before they hatch their plan in the hospital plus they have photos of Venom Snake posing with Big Boss and Kaz back on the original MSF. 3rd reason: How can you hallucinate something when you're unconscious and in a coma??? You're telling me Big Boss has telepathy in order to make someone see something that isn't there? 4th Reason: "Doublethink" was introduced by Ocelot 5th reason: "Ishmael can’t be the protagonist because Venom is the protagonist. So naturally he is the narrator. They are the same person, but they can’t exist in the same place, because Ishmael the narrator is older than Ishmael the character because Ishmael the narrator is telling the story about himself. This works with BB and Ishmael. This is supported by another piece of evidence. Ishmael in the game breaks the fourth wall. The nature of a narrator is to break the fourth wall. Narrators always address the audience. Ishmael in the game does this, he address the player when he tells the player to press the stance button. So if Ishmael is the narrator and BB is the protagonist and they therefore can’t exist in the same place then this supports the idea that Ishmael is a hallucination." What you said is absolutely incoherent and makes zero sense whatsoever. Narrators in stories dont have an age requirement and remember, he has to explain things to Venom as he is in a super weakened state as already explained by Ocelot prior. Ishmael was never the protagonist at all, he was there to bodyguard you in the hospital plus if he wasn't real, then how did Quiet get fended off and burned??? Of course she would still go after Big Boss as Skullface ordered her to finish the job after saving her plus she never saw Ishmael's face so her aggression wouldn't be towards an unknown man. Accept it, there were two Big Boss's all along, Kojima mindfucked everyone who thought this was gonna be a simple revenge story, cause things are never simple in Kojima's world.
+Bruce Wayne plus there's a sixth reason: If this was really Big Boss, then why is t revealed he and Eli's DNA doesnt match up and the he is a completely different person entirely???? Liquid, Solid and Solidus are genetic clones, the DNA test coming up negative is impossible in your theory. Thats because Venom is NOT Big Boss, he is a completely different person but his doppelganger nonetheless.
While they were having this conversation and lighting this cigar, a giant flaming whale was swallowing a helicopter, at most fifty meters away from them, that's the one plot hole I can't get over.
Nice Easter Egg.. On the other side of the Tape was a Type of Secret Code telling (Venom) Snake About Solid Snake's Eventual Infiltration and how You (Snake) train and basically Set-Up the Events of Metal Gear.
I was weirded out by Venoms smoking an ecigar cause in snake eater snake said they were disgusting and dont beat the real thing... its all coming togerher now lol XD
It would have been cool to see a bit more after this. Imagine it cuts to a view of what is now Outer Heaven, tension building music plays. We see an elevator travelling down, the doors open and someone exits, showing only their feet as they walk down a corridor to the sound of emergency alarms and flashing red lights. Arriving at a door at the end of the corridor, it opens automatically. We see an over the shoulder shot of Venom Snake as he stares, face to face with a figure in the doorway. The figure steps into the room, it's Solid Snake. Venom looks with a menacing and very small look of worry. "Solid Snake!" he shouts as the music reaches it's climax and the camera pans to a birds eye view. The music fades out and the picture starts to pixelate. We then play the boss fight from Metal Gear, 8 bit music included. After killing Venom with your flamethrower, the screen goes black. "Operation Intrude N313 completed", says David Hayter.
Random, but I never understood how Snake/Big Boss still had teeth after Volgin beat the tar out of him in Groznyj Grad. Can't see the legendary warrior having cosmetic dental work
does that mean Eva helped big boss? it would be awesome if she was in the cutscene she runs up to him and hugs him and says that she missed you or somerhing, it would be awesome if she said this ocelot told me what happened, i wad woeried abour yout I heard you needed a ride. then eva says something about the Phantom and then big boss and Eva kiss and they ride off inro the morning sun or night like meryl and snake or mat be that would be just fanservice
Sure, MGSV sucked azz story-wise. But if that cutscene with BB and the bike isn't the ultimate way of ending a game, then I don't, and I will never, know what is.
To those who are blaming kojima, it's not his fault, konami rushed him to get the game out, so he couldn't finish it completely, that's why there are a lot of things left out
Ok,im tryng really hard to understand this ending.Ok big boss was in a coma and the gene therapy took place and we see Eli (Young Liquid Snake).And Big Boss didnt know it was his son? And later at the end of this scene we see Intrude N313 which was in MG1 mission for solid snake so he's gone off to do battle and this ended and this kickstarted the Missions for solid snake for the series?.
Basically Zero work with Big Boss to used his trusted and most skilled subordinate as a body double down to personality as well after waking up early from the Coma to avoid Skull Face vengeance . The Double aka Venom Snake dealt with Skull Face and encounter Eli with no knowledge of the clones and a negative DNA test to prove he is the father. Eventually Venom Snake learns the truth and gladly took the title of Big Boss till he got wiped out by Solid Snake in Outer Heaven.
Can somebody explain to me how Ishmael is actually Big boss? i'm confused because he got stabbed by quiet, he died in the shootout and then he died again when he got shot in the car? was The prologue partly illusions?
+cenasux115 1. The stab wound wasn't fatal 2. the person who was gunned down in the hospital wasn't Ish; it was another man with his face in bandages (you can actually spot Ishmael hiding in the corridor that he drags you if you look carefully before the shootout) 3. Nanomachines.
I now see why I need to go back and play the other Metal Gears, but... From the comments I've seen I can sum up a basic story, still going to go and do some revision now.
It doesn't really fit with the rest of the game, but I can't help but see an interpretation where Venom is rejecting the future of Metal Gear 1, or making an effort to "change the future", as Big Boss says. He smashes the mirror that shows his demonic future self in Outer Heaven, then walks into an abyss - meaning whole new territory, a new timeline. It is like he is smashing the future itself and rejecting his role that the rest of the series is based on/started from. (That said, it is more likely is that he is walking into the abyss of death.)
This could have been one of the greatest moments ever in gaming if they had the actual big boss be voiced be David Hayter, it would make perfect sense, and make the reveal so much more meaningful after been denied that iconic voice for the whole game.
Big Boss's voice had to change at some point in his life. People seem to forget that he was voiced by someone different as an old man in MGS4. Solidus Snake is also an indication of this since he was a perfect clone of him. What might... MIGHT have been better, is if we had a boss fight against Solid Snake voice by Hayter. BUT, I think its cinematically more interesting to suggest that this fight is about to happen than to just show it, which is what Kojima went with. It also keeps that encounter available for a potential Metal Gear remake.
@@majorborngusfluunduch8694 It would make sense for the fake snake to have a different voice that the real one, but we know that is not the reason Keifer was chosen to replace David. It still annoying to me all these years later.
@@CraigEmpson It wouldn't make sense, because then the body double scheme starts to fall apart if he sounds like someone else. Clearly, he already had a similar enough voice to the Boss that he could do a good impression of him (remember that it was just kiefers voice at a different pitch). Through the same brainwashing that transformed his personality into Snake's he was probably made to speak and sound like him too.
There is no better ending when you realise that you are canon:)
Kojima fucking the 4th wall
It's like thank you for supporting the game until the end, you are the one who made this possible
I hated this ending, Throughout the whole game I thought I was playing as the actual big boss, and I wanted too see many more levels to come. But of course I'm wrong as always
@@flamable2047 this ending explained a lot of things, also why in metal gear 1 big boss was killed but returns in metal gear 2. It's because solid snake killed venom
@@Gazzoosethe1 So, in 1984 Big Boss helps create a body double to stand in for him while he goes on his own to create Outer Heaven and Metal Gear, IN ORDER TO hand it all over TO his double later on. THEN he rejoins Foxhound and orders Solid Snake to go and destroy the place, AND at the same time he gives all the details of the operation to his double on a cassette tape?
I know this is late, but I finished the game a couple of days ago, and I am pissed.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I'm Big Boss
And you're too
Big Boss I'm the real big boss!
Will the real Big Boss please stand up?
+Barm Bailey *stands up*
We all are big boss
you are would be better for the syllables
We will never get a proper MG1 and MG2 remake with Sutherland voicing BB and Hayter back as a young Solid Snake:(
Tyke If we all lead a revolt and create our own Outer Heaven we can have anything we want!!!! Muuuuhahahahahahaha
Who knows?
Not me
We never lost control…
We better 😠
4:41 All that gunfire and explosions your hearing, is the result of Solid Snake fighting all the Daimond Dogs/Outer Heaven soldiers
J-Sama1990 MG － stels game, huh?
J-Sama1990 That shit is a mindfuck
J-Sama1990 damn so solid snake is just fucking them all up while venom just walks into the bathroom to look st himself 🤣
How? Big boss looks old in the 2nd game and only 4 years passed from those events
@@fiftytwo_KG he should have been shown old in the cutscene. I think it was a design oversight. This clearly hinted at the very first MG game.
i wanna leave my honest opinion on this ending as i'd understand it the 1st time i played it when it came out
There's 5 things to realize in this ending
1. The whole message from Big Boss to Venom is a symbolic and metaphorical. Its basically Kojima saying thank you to the fans for supporting him & the games. "I am you & you are me, thank you my friend.. from here on out, you're Big Boss" Kojima is saying that he couldn't have done all these without his fan's support but he doesnt want to carry the merit with him alone, he wanna share it with all of us who played it. Konami might take the series from him, but it will always be with us till the end of time.
2. This also explain why Big Boss is called Ismael while Venom is called Ahab, its based on a book "the Hunt for Moby Dick" or something, Ahab being the star of the show while Ismael sitting on the sideline watching everything happen.. The story is about Ahab, but through the eyes of Ismael.. Big Boss sat on the sideline while Venom makes everything happen. Kojima sat on the sideline and watch us play through the game via TH-cam. The whole thing is about duality.
3. Thats the reason why this entry is called Metal Gear Solid V instead of 5, V is Venom Snake, we are Venom Snake, therefore this title is all about us, the players.. we are canon, we are what connects Big Bosses story to Solid Snake's story
4. Operation Intrude N3N3 is the name of the operation in Metal Gear 1 on MSX Home Computer.. Solid Snake's mission to infiltrate Outer Heaven. Speaking of which, the machine next to the Bitcoder IS the MSX Home Computer. Which means in this seamless cutscene, years has passed and we are now transported to Metal Gear 1 storyline, Venom has gone demon and all those background gunfire and explosion is Solid Snake infiltrating.
5. Outer Heaven logo in the background after Venom punched the mirror.. Clarifying point no.4 even further. I know alot of people were upset that it doesnt show Solid Snake and have Hayter voicing a cameo but remember the title's name.. Phantom Pain. Something that is supposed to be there but it isn't and yet.. the pain wont go away
damn that is deep
damn, I did not know that. Thank you friend.
Had no idea this was before he fights solid, makes the scene so much more chilling knowing he's moments away from death
I don't usually read the comment section but im glad i did this time, what gem of a comment
Regarding point 1, I also really like how the real Big Boss became exactly what he hated in MGS3. A user. Venom is used against his will (even though he looks happy to be carrying on BB's will) by the very same guy who hated how The Boss was used by the US government in MGS3
I just realized that Naked Snake is wearing the same outfit Eva was wearing when she left in mgs3
+AlexDeGhost John's got the better ass though. Although EVA's outfit had tan pants in MGS3.
TheSSBBfan666 lol
Holy shit i did not see that. clever
and same motorcycle from MGS4 when you meet EVA or "Big Mama"
8:39 Outer Heaven logo in the back
+Aizenx07 I'm guessing it changes to the outer heaven logo to show time passing. When Venom walks into the smoke he's walking to fight Solid Snake (and to his death). The back of the cassette says 'operation intrude n313' which was the name of the mission in the original Metal Gear game.
Rusty what I don't get is why the og big boss wanted to create wars between them, and also planning the fight between solid and liquid?
he didn't originally, he wanted peace.
At somepoint venom went off the rails and went mad with power
Big Boss Created Outer Heaven not only to make his dream come true
He needs an army to Surpass Cipher/Patriots
Venom Snake And Diamond Dogs are just Decoys to get Cipher Attention While Real BB building Outer Heaven
He also wanted World Peace and never let anyone know what Cipher is
But thanks to Solid Snake that never happened back in MG2 SS
@@ijasab35 the real big boss was building zanzibaarland while venom was leading outer heaven
loved the scene where Big Boss & Revolver Ocelot share a brief moment of friendship as the sun is rising. Especially on the ending music with Ocelot leaving and the camera slowly zooming in with Big Boss starting the motorcycle and staring directly at us the audience... kind of my ending that I'd have when I leave for another adventure.
i just love how Snake managed to grow a full beard in a couple of hours that same day, when he has bandages he clearly doesn't have it lol
so THAT's how the sneaky fucker was still alive at the end of MGS4!!!
...is it?
+The Changeling No. It shows how he was in MG2. In MG2 he was killed again, but kept barely alive by the Patriots to keep their system running. Then, he's put back together by nanomachines to die at the end of MGS4.
Venom snake died in mg 1, in mg 2 naked snake almost died but is kept alive then is reconstructed with parts of solidus I think, then in mgs 4 he dies cuz of FOXDIE
Who is the sneaky fucker?
DaNgEr88GiRL Big Boss
So he is the real Slim Shady?
Yes I'm the real slim shady and I will stand up.
Zak Barclay I was talking about Boss :V
And no, is not jacksepticeye :V
*dies of laughter*
He's not The OG Boss, he is the boss you kill as Solid Snake in the retro Metal Gear to make the patriots think Boss is dead.
I thought that getting replaced by Raiden was bad... but dad got replaced by a medic! xD
lol
lol seriously. what was the critical thinking behind that? yeah sure just have the medic pretend to be legendary hero BB. I'm sure he'll be able to perform all these almost supernatural missions and kick my enemies' ass while I go on hiatus building Outer Heaven
+David Robles is Kojimas way of saying you the player is big boss
Uhhh you play as yourself
+David Robles You do realize Big boss himself said "the medic" was literally the best Soldier in MSF after him and Kaz so of course he could handle complex/supernatural missions plus he has Ocelot and Kaz giving him support.
2:40 Gave me goosebumps looking at that badass shit. The legend himself.
Samuel L Jackson Ocelot and Big Boss standing next to each other is such a badass sight.
There was suppose to be an unwinnable boss battle against Solid though
+capz That or Venom was simply the fall guy for Big Boss' real protégé David.
Mayochiki no it was supposed to be in the game but it was cut
FUCKonami for cutting out such legendary content!
"Defense failed. Are you hurt? Try a little harder next time, Boss!"
Trolljima strikes again
MGS...the series that played YOU
@@thetapedeck7437 Like a damn...
@@ifipaidmybartabtheu.swould9208 fiddle!
Now before you rip me to shreds, I think that Keifer Sutherland does a better Big Boss. Now while I am a big fan of David Hayter's voice, I think that it's good that BB and Solid Snake have distinctions in their voices.
Couldn't agree more
I wish Keifer had always been Big Boss honestly. David is good as Snake though.
Big Boss is the protagonist of MGS 3, PO, PW, and 5 ground zeroes, and the gene donor of solid snake.
Kiefer Sutherland suits the roles of Big Boss and Venom Snake.
David Hayter will always remain Solid Snake to me.
Regular Flurfy clones are supposed to sound the same, act the same, be the same.
before you say what i think youll say. liquid has the english accent because he spent alot of his life in britain. otherwise hed sound like snake. as they both got older im not sure as to why they looked different as old men (big boss and old snake) why they soynded differently in mgs4 was as to probably not confuse people so they wouldnt be hearing hayter twice and not know who said what. and even if his voice did change. they cloned BB whike he was still young so thats why snake sounded like BB. theres no real reason sutherland had to be BB and ill always be a wee bit salty about that.
Once you grasp the true meaning behind this, it's really emotional, or I simply could be over analyzing it.
it is really emotional. i got chills when i finally understand the message behind this ending
I know right? It was like, you could feel kojimas goodbye to us through Big Boss.
+saleem sorel you are absolutely right, I never saw it that say. Thanks for pointing that out
+saleem sorel what was your interpretation of the true meaning behind this?
+BigBooney117 I feel like Hideo Kojima is saying that we are Big Boss. Everything that put the rest of the games in motion is because of us, the fans. Anyone can be big boss and he will live on through us all.
To add to what this guy was saying, basically another brilliant thing IS the fact we don't play the actual Big Boss, because he's his own person and we can never truly be him. In other words, he's immortalized as the legendary Big Boss, leaving us to last play him in his prime in Peace Walker before realizing he was really a villain who played not only us the players - but everyone else. The detachment was his downfall, or rather, we didn't see a particular moment in a downfall because it was his entire saga that was his downfall (Snake Eater, Portable Ops, Peace Walker, Ground Zeroes). The ending says anyone can be "Snake", we are all Big Boss. But we aren't at the same time. And the one we see that is the true BB, is the villain of the series at this last stage of a metamorphosis.
I liked the ending... Fuck me, right?
+Shinseiryugen Nah, go fuck yourself.
+Shinseiryugen i like the song they played when he punched the mirror. Made the ending seem pretty epic.
I like the ending on it's own merits, I think it's a well made scene, but I don't like the ending as an ending to the Metal Gear saga
+B Rad and the song at 3:00 (from GZ). so epic!!
+BigBooney117 from GZ can you please tell me the name
Why is everyone so pissed at this ending in my honest opinion this brings the metal gear and metal gear solid games together, to avoid his own demise and nuclear destruction he made an exact double to carry out his missions and on metal gear 1 the big boss you kill is the venom snake version which will explain the fact that you are directed by big boss to kill big boss(venom snake) because he went fucking insane with power and in turn a way no one expected was the ultimate fall of Big Boss the hero and brings him into infamous villainy this is a great story element very fresh story telling because it surprises the audience. in my years of playing the metal gear and metal gear solid series I never thought big boss was meant to be the villain but the organization and the government were set to tarnish the name of Big Boss the hero. I implore you to please play phantom pain and then play metal gear 1 and 2 you will see it all makes a lot of sense story wise
+PoeticBoii fully agree
thanks for agreeing
I agree with Masked Lobo and Venom Snake and Big Boss worked together and they both expected solid snake to fail but instead when solid learns more of the truth, Big Boss had no choice but to tell Venom Snake to fight against Solid Snake. After Venom Snake's downfall, Big Boss would complete Outer Heaven in respect on what he and Venom Snake had started.
Faiz Faisal the real BIG Boss never completes Outer Heaven. It blows up at the end when Solid fights the phantom and venom activates the self destruct for the base, thinking he will take out Snake, but Snake quickly defeats him and escapes the devastation. Big Boss is in Zanzibar land working on that base from Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake👌
PoeticBoii so venom snake just went crazy and boss wanted him dead? Crazy considering ocelot and miller would stop that from happening
I am thinking of a scene to where big boss 1 is older and visits the death place of big boss 2 and salutes him and saying " even though you plunged into darkness, you were one of my best soldiers and did my biddings. I thank you my old friend for your sacrifice."
The grave in MGS4 was The Boss', who BB killed in MGS3 and spent his whole life trying to live up to his interpretation of her vision.
@@jackmclean4120 I never said that, I said a scenario that wasn’t seen or possibly happened
Is it just me or does anyone get goosebumps when you see the real big boss on the motor bike with that music in the back
Kojima clearly saw The Prestige
Puberty just hits Christ Pratt so hard that he actually changes into Big Boss
@No One WHOOOOOOOOOO
Lmao xD
Mario
Actually Oscar Issac is gonna be Solid snake and for obvious reasons, liquid, Solidus, venom and Big Boss too
I never saw the logo, it actually changes after he breaks the mirror.....Outer heaven!
I wish I could undergo hypnogosia therapy so that I can play this game again for the first time. As i know a lot of people arent a fan of MGSV's story, but I LOVED it! I consider the twist of finding out you werent playing as the original Big Boss, but his phantom, M.S.F's best soldier and medic. One of the best twists in gaming in my opinion.
It still trips me up that the gunfire heard in the beginning of Venoms scene is actually Solid Snake in combat with the Diamond Dogs/Outer Heaven.
Donovan Begay
When Venoms flipped the tape its a timeskip, turning Venom into a demon of how many battles he fought.
There's actually another set of cutscenes that have been removed from the main game where it is shown that Raiden is actually Quiet and Kaz is actually Morpho the heli pilot from GZ, but they both underwent surgery and nanoparasite therapy to change their appearances I found them by doing some data mining inside Kojima's ass
+維新🔥 ...I believe it
It'll all make sense after about 600 cassette tapes
I saw a comment just like this one...
Dj C Just because theres a video about a theory doesnt mean its true
赤邪鬼🔥 I’m sure this comment is a joke it has to be
I got to steal my grandpas jacket, it's the very same one big boss is wearing.
I knew that this was the twist months in advance, but I thought they were gonna use Hayter to voice the real Big Boss. Anyone else think that would have been awesome fan service after an overly long game?
Worldwide Wyatt hell no
It wouldn't make sense
Because solid and big boss are not exact clones of each other an kiefer sounds way better as big boss an hayter is better as solid
He's the best videogames mind. He created the best saga in the history
Yeah, because that totally wouldn't have given the huge twist away. Great thinking.
@@citatap I assume Hayter's voice would only be used at the end, with Kiefer still voicing him in the beginning and potentially up until the Truth segment, then switching to Hayter for his chat with Ocelot and the tape.
To be fair Kaz pissed off Boss for lying in Peace Walker about Paz, etc. MSF was all built on lies and deception. The 2 were already divided making this choice plus 9 years easier.
+We'll meet again.
-Right!
I Wonder if they ever did...
This scene is not about real or fake big boss is all about how bad ass snake look smoking that cigar on a triumph motorcycle.
I really liked the ending.
Snake used his best man for his own objectives, creating another Big Boss to avoid death and a nuclear disaster.
Venom Snake was the other half of Big Boss. He thought as Big Boss, he acted as Big Boss, he fought as Big Boss. He even killed his soldiers to go on.
Now, my question is....why has this cool ending been ruined by the absence of Mission 51? What about Eli, the parasite and the Sahelanthropus?
"This pain...is ours."
So. It was Ahab who died in Outerheaven
And Real Big Boss still in
Zanzibar Land
MrCool 899 and then loses to solid snake in a cqc fight and dies next to the boss’s grave
So much inner conflict. MGS3 is my favorite game in the series but it's blindingly obvious MGS3 wrecked the overall story beyond any and all repair.
you mean MGS4
***** well I guess technically as 4 wasn't planned back then.
+darthkahn45 MGS3 was and is perfectly fine, a perfect origin story for Big Boss and gives you enough indication of why he became a villain. Then MGS4 rolls around and retcons everything so your support team from MGS3 were the villains of the series, even though MGS3 gave no indication of that at all.
***** The reference to the Patriots in MGS2 was indicating that it was an AI, had nothing to do with Zero, he hadnt even been written into the canon yet
+TCGRyan Personally I blame MGS2 though, it went so "out there" with the plot that it made it very, VERY difficult for MGS4 to follow it up.
8:39 that is clearly the Outer Haven logo visible on the door.. So this is right before Venom Snake fights Solid.
This ending gives me goosebumps every time.
8:31 I just now noticed that the mirror image has normal hand instead of that prostethic
mtkl23 You didn't look at this the right way. The mirror was a reflection of his demon, and when he breaks it, Venom isn't looking at his reflection anymore.
Fat and Furious who is he looking at
black broly big boss
it was not a reflection you can tell by the position of the horn
@@fatandfurious3305 No the reflection was indeed the reflection of Big Boss, hence the lack of prosthetics and the horn. It's symbolic value is Venom breaking the mirror to embody Big Boss once more to face Solid Snake
In 8:39 the last stand of venom snake and ready too see his battle and how he dies by the hands of Solid Snake himself
I feel like the ending was a thank you love letter to the people who supported the series. Basically saying WE are all The boss
if you dident notice , when he punches the mirror hes actually giving the real BB a fist bump look at arms
+RevolverOcelot It's him seeing himself as the real Big Boss, The real BB just gave him the title.
+RevolverOcelot Can you see when he punches the window, outer heaven logo, his arm and hes without horn...
+Mateeoz HD didn't realize until later that it was a time lapse, 10 year time lapse
0:36 How is his mouth open if he is hanging upside down?
2/10 IGN
Tommy Vercetti How can you drive, take out an army, fly a plane, buy a shit ton of assets but can't swim?
Cuz the top of his head could still drop? It's not like your jaws are one way
Doesn't matter who you are...
Just one thing matters: what you think about yourself
what actually happened is that Kojima Fucked our Heads up! He was doing good but suddenly he started a mess with Konami and with his stubborn mind he puts an end in the game on the halfway.This game could goto 100+ episodes because the 2nd chapter just started and never ended!
8:38 Outer Heaven logo. Venom will face Snake and finally find some rest. Tell me why Venom is not the best Snake...
wait a minute. how did they have enough time to do all this while volgen was following them?
Hahahaha
That's something else
2:40 really just said “There can only be one Big Boss and one Snake (us)” without using words.
And that’s why I don’t take Mission 51 as canon. Take a bow Kojima.
Wow this is the most complex, bitter sweet, yet beautiful ending I ever experienced in a medium.
When Venom Snake smashes the mirror and walks into the misty darkness looking sinister, is me descending into a dark change of personality, and I know I'll never be the same man everyone knew.
lol ok
Whats the soundtrack name when he is sitting on the bike?
They played us like a damn fiddle!!!!!
Ok, guys, let me tell you something. Do not dislike this ending, t'is a story of V snake only and indeed makes sense for the next games...
The next game, i imagine will be of the real Big Boss or maybe of Solid Snake.
+Deathc00l there wont be a next game mate. kojima quit that bitch konami
And then you get killed in metal gear 1 by solid snake.
When I finished Final Fantasy VII, around 1998, I was sure that I've played the best video game of all time.
I was only 13 back then, with a little more than 5 years of gaming experience, and little english knowledge. But FF VII, man... it was special. It still is.
Then Metal Gear Solid came a year later - it was truly exceptional.
But there was a bigger picture - the Metal Gear universe -, and I didn't know all the details at the time - hell, I might not know everything as of today.
So MGS was amazing, but I needed to know more. The motivation behind the characters, their purpose. The whole picture.
Since you can't have two favourite games - there should be an "Ultimate" fav, at least for me -, FF VII held the slightest of edges over the MGS franchise (I've played all titles over the years, except Portable Ops) at the top of my list for 17 years. Nothing could touch them, and that's unlikely to change.
But after 17 long years, the order has finally reversed.
The timing might be strange, because I'm aware that this isn't the best game of the series, nor is truly finished. But MGSV:TPP - and not MGS 4! - somehow gave me the whole picture.
Thanks Hideo, you won.
Why doesn't this comment have more likes?! You write good, man
The theme from 8:00 to 8:56 needs extending!
So it is a damn mega inception paradox, because big boss has our face and name, and we are the big boss but the venom is us again and so on, and at the end we all are big boss
so chris pratt is big boss?
+Jezeriah Hopkins
DAT Walkman, I know.
see, now this is what bothers me at the beginning the (real big boss) was shot, by bullets from a helicopter at that, so was he not injured? and I thought the car exploded but maybe I just imagined that part
the ending gives me goosebumbs
Why the DD emblem did have diamond in it? Doesn't Mission 43 is mandatory to unlock MIssion 46?
When snake punches that mirror it remjnds me if allthe people that are so pissed off at this ending. They probably felt like punching a mirror too.. Thats why he had venom snake do that lol
and the next time these two meet is...They dont?
Aadil Sajjad they didn't meet personally but they talked over a phone
Venom dies after this while facing Solid Snake
Spoilers ahead. I have a theory on the ending of metal gear solid 5. At the end of the game it’s revealed that Venom Snake is not truly Big Boss. This is false. Venom Snake is Big Boss and here’s why.
First of all. The man in bandages. He is a hallucination. There is a cassette tape labeled “the effects of Snake’s coma”. In it is mentioned that Snake is still feeling the effects of his 9 year coma just after waking up. So, figuring out what is real in the hospital is tricky. Anything can be hallucinated. So, a good way to tell if something is hallucinated or not is determining if something seen in the hospital appears later in the game. This kind of evidence can be found from anywhere except cassette tapes. Spoiler alert, but Big Boss is capable of hallucinating cassette tapes. BB is also capable of hallucinating entire rooms. That fact, coupled with the fact that he can hallucinate entire conversations, means that the scene at the very end were Ishmael rides off into the sunset and the scene were miller regards Venom Snake as he and the “real” Big Boss are falling into comas can also be a hallucination. This is all supported because at a certain point in the game it is revealed that Paz is still alive. However it turns out that BB hallucinated all the conversations he ends up having with her, AND all the cassette tapes she shares with him and the hospital room they have these conversations in. Things like quite, the man on fire, and the third boy all appear later in the game. So we know that they actually exist because later in the game the effects of Snake’s coma have lessened in some degree. Ishmael is the only thing that doesn’t appear later. But he does appear in mission 46 labeled the “truth”. This is the mission were the twist is revealed. Let me assure you, this mission is anything from the truth.
Kojima has been quoted as saying that a lot of things in metal gear are inspired by the book 1984. One of the biggest references in the phantom pain is the year it takes place, 1984. There are cassette tapes that BB receives after the player plays this mission. Many things are “explained” in this mission, but it is totally possible that these were all hallucinated. However these hallucinated cassette tapes are a good way to see what is going on in BB’s head, because BB is subconsciously creating the cassette tapes. One of these cassette tapes is called “doublethink”. In the book 1984 doublethink is a way that the government suppress the truth, enslaving the poor people in London. This cassette tape is where most of the things about Venom are explained. But the nature of doublethink is not knowing what the truth is. Ocelot even says “in this year 2 + 2 = 5”. This cassette tape gets less and less reputable the more you think about it. Even the fact that mission 46 is called the truth makes it more likely to be the lie, because that’s the nature of doublethink. To say one think is the truth when it is a lie. In 1984 the main character’s job is to change old documents so that they seem to predict future events. He fabricates lies from old speeches and reports. This is the case with mission 1 and mission 46. Mission 46 is the change that happens to mission one, reminiscent of the falsified documents in 1984.
Not only that, but look at the character of Ishmael. The name is a reference to Moby Dick. In the book, Ishmael is two characters. The protagonist and the narrator. Ishmael can’t be the protagonist because Venom is the protagonist. So naturally he is the narrator. They are the same person, but they can’t exist in the same place, because Ishmael the narrator is older than Ishmael the character because Ishmael the narrator is telling the story about himself. This works with BB and Ishmael. This is supported by another piece of evidence. Ishmael in the game breaks the fourth wall. The nature of a narrator is to break the fourth wall. Narrators always address the audience. Ishmael in the game does this, he address the player when he tells the player to press the stance button. So if Ishmael is the narrator and BB is the protagonist and they therefore can’t exist in the same place then this supports the idea that Ishmael is a hallucination.
There are so many inconsistencies created by the end of the game. Like consider this, how to ocelot save the “real” Big Boss? He wipes his memory of Ishmael in one of the “truth” cassette tapes. It seems safe to assume that in-between getting Ishmael a ride and saving Big Boss in the van I don’t think he had time to wipe his memory and record a cassette tape. AND why does Quite want to kill Big Boss? She explains at the end that she wanted revenge for him burning her but he didn’t burn her. Ishmael did. This little detail made sense when Ishmael was just a hallucination. But if he was really the one who burned Quite then why did she want revenge on BB? If Ishmael was really physically there then she would have wanted revenge on Ishmael not BB. AAND in metal gear solid 4 at the end when Big Boss shows up he mentions that it was impossible to completely recreate someone’s personality until Liquid Ocelot.
Now let me explain something. Some of you reading this are probably thinking that there has to be a second Big Boss because in MGS4 he doesn’t have the horn, and because he dies in the first metal gear game. Well let me address the simpler topic first. Big Boss in MGS4 was a Frankenstein of Liquid and Solidus. He was “patched up” using their recycled parts. Now, in the first metal gear game when BB “dies” he gets burned by Solid Snake. But people have survived things similar to this in the series. Zadornov brought himself back to life on the thirst for revenge alone. Quite was burned to death AND fell out of a multi-story window and she was brought back to life using parasites. So whether BB gets juiced up on parasites or he lives on sheer will power alone, it’s entirely possible that he lived.
Finally, I’m going to talk about the last important piece of evidence. The Man Who Sold the World. The song that is originally by David Bowie, and featured in MGS 5. In the game it’s interpreted as there being two men. In the case of the game that would be Venom and Big Boss as individual people. When really the song is about one person. It’s about the man’s inner struggle with himself. The struggle between who he really is and the person he has sold himself as. “The Man Who Sold the World” is the image of himself that he has “sold” to the world. So these aren’t two individual Big Boss’. They are the two personalities of the one man. Venom Snake is as much the real physical Big Boss as the Big Boss in the hallucination is. And once you understand this it has HUGE ramifications for the rest of the series. It explains Big Boss. He is stuck between who he has become, venom, punished, and who the world sees him as, Big Boss. He is caught between the phantom pain, and the best part of himself. So when Big Boss rides away on the motorcycle it is symbolic of the best part of Snake leaving.
No one can escape the phantom pain. Not even Big Boss.
omg man, that make sense -.-
+Bruce Wayne too many holes in your theory which makes it irrelevant, let me explain.
1st reason: if Venom Snake and Big Boss were the same people, why does Kaz and Ocelot openly acknowledge the existence of both Big Boss and Venom which makes Kaz feel so betrayed that he wants revenge on Big Boss when the time is right?
2nd reason: Big Boss and Ocelot are clearly observing Venom Snake before they hatch their plan in the hospital plus they have photos of Venom Snake posing with Big Boss and Kaz back on the original MSF.
3rd reason: How can you hallucinate something when you're unconscious and in a coma??? You're telling me Big Boss has telepathy in order to make someone see something that isn't there?
4th Reason: "Doublethink" was introduced by Ocelot
5th reason: "Ishmael can’t be the protagonist because Venom is the protagonist. So naturally he is the narrator. They are the same person, but they can’t exist in the same place, because Ishmael the narrator is older than Ishmael the character because Ishmael the narrator is telling the story about himself. This works with BB and Ishmael. This is supported by another piece of evidence. Ishmael in the game breaks the fourth wall. The nature of a narrator is to break the fourth wall. Narrators always address the audience. Ishmael in the game does this, he address the player when he tells the player to press the stance button. So if Ishmael is the narrator and BB is the protagonist and they therefore can’t exist in the same place then this supports the idea that Ishmael is a hallucination."
What you said is absolutely incoherent and makes zero sense whatsoever. Narrators in stories dont have an age requirement and remember, he has to explain things to Venom as he is in a super weakened state as already explained by Ocelot prior. Ishmael was never the protagonist at all, he was there to bodyguard you in the hospital plus if he wasn't real, then how did Quiet get fended off and burned??? Of course she would still go after Big Boss as Skullface ordered her to finish the job after saving her plus she never saw Ishmael's face so her aggression wouldn't be towards an unknown man.
Accept it, there were two Big Boss's all along, Kojima mindfucked everyone who thought this was gonna be a simple revenge story, cause things are never simple in Kojima's world.
+Bruce Wayne plus there's a sixth reason: If this was really Big Boss, then why is t revealed he and Eli's DNA doesnt match up and the he is a completely different person entirely???? Liquid, Solid and Solidus are genetic clones, the DNA test coming up negative is impossible in your theory.
Thats because Venom is NOT Big Boss, he is a completely different person but his doppelganger nonetheless.
While they were having this conversation and lighting this cigar, a giant flaming whale was swallowing a helicopter, at most fifty meters away from them, that's the one plot hole I can't get over.
+jonasgrant you can see that the bridge was already colapsed. wich means that i was after the man on fire had fanished. and the lightning had struck.
Nice Sony product placement
Nice Easter Egg.. On the other side of the Tape was a Type of
Secret Code telling (Venom) Snake
About Solid Snake's Eventual Infiltration and how You (Snake) train and basically Set-Up the Events of Metal Gear.
crashing the mirror venom tries to say that he is no demon
I was weirded out by Venoms smoking an ecigar cause in snake eater snake said they were disgusting and dont beat the real thing... its all coming togerher now lol XD
It would have been cool to see a bit more after this. Imagine it cuts to a view of what is now Outer Heaven, tension building music plays. We see an elevator travelling down, the doors open and someone exits, showing only their feet as they walk down a corridor to the sound of emergency alarms and flashing red lights. Arriving at a door at the end of the corridor, it opens automatically. We see an over the shoulder shot of Venom Snake as he stares, face to face with a figure in the doorway. The figure steps into the room, it's Solid Snake. Venom looks with a menacing and very small look of worry. "Solid Snake!" he shouts as the music reaches it's climax and the camera pans to a birds eye view. The music fades out and the picture starts to pixelate. We then play the boss fight from Metal Gear, 8 bit music included. After killing Venom with your flamethrower, the screen goes black. "Operation Intrude N313 completed", says David Hayter.
3:03 The most epic shot ever
What the hell was going on when he flipped the tape and played it in the tape player and made all those weird noises? 7:40 - 8:15
2:00 Wish I could find that song!
I'm two years late, but eh, other people might be curious. It is called "The Other Shadow" and it is part of the MGSV Extended OST.
@@citatapkept us waiting huh?
@@TheLordChain i did indeed
Kojima really loves that sony logo lol
when u get this ending can u play as ur avatar in now in missions n shit?
I think they r saving your avatar for when online comes out
+TheBeatBender you get it he can where the bandana, and bionic arm too.
+Oodles yes, you get it
+The Best Green Lantern how?
+Ell Vaav Beat mission 45
''We'll meet again'' and that never happened....
Bigbrother3465 it did. When they plan the attack on the patriots in 1995.
lorddorito ultramountaindew Really?
***** yeah, I think its stated in one of the tapes.
EVA Ocelot and Big Boss was planning Coup de'tat Against Zero and Patriots Durning Zanibar Land but maybe you know the rest thanks to Solid Snake lol
@@ijasab35 if I remember Zanzibar land happens in 1999 a few years before the whole Shadow Moses Incident in 2005.
Random, but I never understood how Snake/Big Boss still had teeth after Volgin beat the tar out of him in Groznyj Grad. Can't see the legendary warrior having cosmetic dental work
In the "Not Your Kind of People" trailer, Big Boss has the shrapnel in his head when on the motorcycle.
Probably to avoid spoilers and Kojima did it to troll us
does that mean Eva helped big boss? it would be awesome if she was in the cutscene she runs up to him and hugs him and says that she missed you or somerhing, it would be awesome if she said this ocelot told me what happened, i wad woeried abour yout I heard you needed a ride. then eva says something about the Phantom and then big boss and Eva kiss and they ride off inro the morning sun or night like meryl and snake or mat be that would be just fanservice
yeah I figured it could be cool or just fan service , I would just love to see eva, zero, and solid Snake in fox engine graphics!
Seb fucking aye!!!
I revere this scene, it's taken so finely
i know kojima is not around anymore but i hope konami remake metal gear 1 and 2.
der Dennis same.
Sure, MGSV sucked azz story-wise. But if that cutscene with BB and the bike isn't the ultimate way of ending a game, then I don't, and I will never, know what is.
What is the title of the music in 7:55?
Thanks Boss!
To those who are blaming kojima, it's not his fault, konami rushed him to get the game out, so he couldn't finish it completely, that's why there are a lot of things left out
This is also kojima talking and thanking us. awesome
They the perfect opportunity to cast hayter as the real snake and keifer as the fake one!
What is the music at 3:00 ?
The Other Shadow
Can someone please tell me what the OST is when bigboss gets his cigar and hops onto his motorcycle
Ok,im tryng really hard to understand this ending.Ok big boss was in a coma and the gene therapy took place and we see Eli (Young Liquid Snake).And Big Boss didnt know it was his son? And later at the end of this scene we see Intrude N313 which was in MG1 mission for solid snake so he's gone off to do battle and this ended and this kickstarted the Missions for solid snake for the series?.
Basically Zero work with Big Boss to used his trusted and most skilled subordinate as a body double down to personality as well after waking up early from the Coma to avoid Skull Face vengeance . The Double aka Venom Snake dealt with Skull Face and encounter Eli with no knowledge of the clones and a negative DNA test to prove he is the father. Eventually Venom Snake learns the truth and gladly took the title of Big Boss till he got wiped out by Solid Snake in Outer Heaven.
whats the name of the theme from 02:00 and 03:08 ?
whats the soundtrack started at 7:58 and ended at 8:56
Gucci shades i wanna know to😢😴
i found it it's called behind the mirror
Gucci shades cool man i used shazam but it didn't work
then idk
It would've been cool if Ocelot told big boss "till we meet again John"
Can somebody explain to me how Ishmael is actually Big boss? i'm confused because he got stabbed by quiet, he died in the shootout and then he died again when he got shot in the car? was The prologue partly illusions?
+cenasux115 1. The stab wound wasn't fatal
2. the person who was gunned down in the hospital wasn't Ish; it was another man with his face in bandages (you can actually spot Ishmael hiding in the corridor that he drags you if you look carefully before the shootout)
3. Nanomachines.
+Alcone Punch SON
+Alcone Punch nanomachines XD
2:00 i want this song is too powerful yet so sad and nostalgic
I now see why I need to go back and play the other Metal Gears, but... From the comments I've seen I can sum up a basic story, still going to go and do some revision now.
Imagine the two of them joining up in battle and the enemies and crew would be so confused and ocelot would be there "hey big boss..and other boss"
This is not full...There's a second timeline after the scene and a conversation between Kaz and Ocelot.
I hade a feeling of this at one point because big boss doesn't do the things venom does
It doesn't really fit with the rest of the game, but I can't help but see an interpretation where Venom is rejecting the future of Metal Gear 1, or making an effort to "change the future", as Big Boss says. He smashes the mirror that shows his demonic future self in Outer Heaven, then walks into an abyss - meaning whole new territory, a new timeline. It is like he is smashing the future itself and rejecting his role that the rest of the series is based on/started from. (That said, it is more likely is that he is walking into the abyss of death.)
3:10 a wink would have been perfect.
well i mean he only has one eye so...
This could have been one of the greatest moments ever in gaming if they had the actual big boss be voiced be David Hayter, it would make perfect sense, and make the reveal so much more meaningful after been denied that iconic voice for the whole game.
Big Boss's voice had to change at some point in his life. People seem to forget that he was voiced by someone different as an old man in MGS4. Solidus Snake is also an indication of this since he was a perfect clone of him. What might... MIGHT have been better, is if we had a boss fight against Solid Snake voice by Hayter. BUT, I think its cinematically more interesting to suggest that this fight is about to happen than to just show it, which is what Kojima went with. It also keeps that encounter available for a potential Metal Gear remake.
@@majorborngusfluunduch8694 It would make sense for the fake snake to have a different voice that the real one, but we know that is not the reason Keifer was chosen to replace David. It still annoying to me all these years later.
@@CraigEmpson It wouldn't make sense, because then the body double scheme starts to fall apart if he sounds like someone else. Clearly, he already had a similar enough voice to the Boss that he could do a good impression of him (remember that it was just kiefers voice at a different pitch). Through the same brainwashing that transformed his personality into Snake's he was probably made to speak and sound like him too.
He played us like a damn fiddle! D: