ULTIMATE Castle Motor Comparison Review! New 1717 & 2028
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- Wanted to make this video for the past month but got delayed. Finally here it is!
If any of you guys were puzzled at where these motors stand, this video will help solve some of your questions. We discuss the 14, 15, 17 and 20 series motors and what the applications are for the optimal setup.
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A MUST SEE TH-cam video series for all those interested or trying to learn this hobby. Clear, concise, to the point. My Kraton EXB thanks you!
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hey bro, castle do now make a 1260kv and 1100kv motors
Great vid Brandon 👊. Stuff like this really helps guys make informed choices about their set-ups.😎💪👊👊
Thanks brother!
Amazing that the marketing brains behind Castle can't make info like this readily accessible for those shopping for their products. Great job here!
I’ll tell you this is one of those videos that every Large RC channel should be doing. As you know, it is not what they do because going to a skate park and running an RC car up their butt while they scream and yell is what the “people” want. Thanks for giving this your thoughts and time.
Appreciate that a lot man. Most people desire action. Some people already know what I stated in this video. Some don't know and don't want to learn, some do want to learn 😉
A lot of people mainly review one motor, but for now on I will be doing more ultimate motor comparisons for any new motor castle comes out with. I really enjoyed making this video, people find the source of legitimacy substantial making this a solid video. There will be a comparison 2.0 coming soon. Already have plans for it
That was an excellent explanation of those castle motors. I have a 2028 800kv motor and its a beast of a motor. I really find this video to be very useful and the fact that you did some homework here on these babies. Keep it technical and keep them coming. Thanks
Appreciate that for sure man. I actually used all of these motors so what I stated comes from actually running them 💪👍
Hi Mogreasy how does the 2028 800kv runs today !!!
Castle motors for dummies! Thanks my dude 👍... just what I needed!!
Glad it was informative for ya!
Thanks! I learnt lots.
It would be good to have a label behind (or on) each motor, 'cause I can't remember the names of the first 3 by the time you got to the last.
Awesome information, thanks for taking the time to do this. We really appreciate it and how thorough you are too!
Bro you can’t get any better than that great explanation much appreciated ✊💪🤜🤛💯👊 thank you for the knowledge
Thanks man! Eventually there will be a V2 comparison
Innovation RC yes sir I’ll be tuned your welcome 🤜💯🤛✊
Great video buddy 👏🏻👏🏻. For my requirements the 1515 22 is my go to motor for most of my rigs. In the LMT its a beast, torque city man, in my V3 Talion it can consisantly do over 100mph. Bang for buck it kicks ass
This is great! I have 2 roller and now I know which motor I be running on.. thanks brotha!
Bad ass videos bro , I just got the castle 8s X cause of your last video now motor for my arrma Infraction
Brandon awesome information, 👍 I learnt a hell of alot , sorry for missing your vids . this is a FANTASTIC VIDEO 👍🇺🇲😍🇬🇧👍
That 800kv is the best Basher motor I’ve ever ran. With the 2028
Amazing vid, great info!!
I have been looking at the 1717 & 2028 for my new speed run build on the Arrma Limitless I'm ordering. I almost went with the 2028 1100kv because of the incredible torque & ability to maintain cool. But I think the 1717 would be more fit, specially if I do decide to go with a dual motor setup. If I don't find it to meet my need, I can always toss it into my Typhon 6S & then go with the 2028 in the future if I find i need more power to break 140mph on the Limitless.
Again, thanks for such a great informational vid w no BS 😎👍👍
Thanks on that! Glad you enjoyed the video! So you can actually be more affordable and still exceed 140-150 mph with the 1717 1650kv. The 1100kv just gets the vehicle up to speed a little quicker and more efficiently. Downside to the 1100kv is that you'll need to do decent modifications to get it to fit.
Dual motor setups are sick! But why use two 1717 motors when the wattage of a single 2028 is MORE than both of them combined? Save space and weight. It looks cool but isn't feasible.
@@InnovationRC Thanks, you're absolutely right. The 2028 will definitely be more cost effective & lighter than twin 1717's. The only reason I even considered the twin motor setup was because it would just be something sweet to add to my collection lol. And with the 2028, like you said, it does need some mods. The motor mount alone runs for about ~$50. I think I will definitely go with the 1717. Maybe buy the Mamba x8 1717 1650kv combo, sell the ESC on eBay & then grab the Mamba xlx2 since I can't seem to find the xlx2 with the 1717 1650kv combo. Cuz if I push that 1717 to 140+ I'm gonna need a cooler running ESC 😄. Castle "claims" the xlx2 runs much cooler than the x8. Anyhow, thanks again bro, Ride'm, Break'm, Fix'm, Repeat! 😎👍
Just curious how that worked out? Burn up or stay cool? I’ve had the 1717 get super hot in the limitless. Was thinking of dropping kv and upping voltage/gearing.
@@donaldfowler7125 I managed to get it up to 122mph so far with the XLX2. Got in a total of 3 runs before the motor got warm, ~165-170F. The ESC barely broke a sweat, didn't get past 123F if my memory serves me correctly.
I just sold the 1717 1650kv motor & purchased the 1721 2400kv motor. I put it in my stretched Typhon 6S first. On 4S, it pushed 99mph barely tapping 100% throttle. 3 runs & it was super cool, 102F after 3rd run. The XLX2 didn't get past 113F. Pulled 328A with only 1.07v ripple. And that's geared 34T pinion with a 29T spur on 4S.
I have a CNHL 6S speedrun pack coming in today. Hoping to get ~120mph with the same setup.
Yeah Very Nice vidéo Many information importante 2200for speed an 6s its very good i wait 1717 in france 🇫🇷 for my limitless in 8s🏎🔥🔥
You will love the 1717
Thank you so much for the detail and great explanation, I really appreciate your time to help out the less informed of us out there. I will be very excited to try one of these motors, you sure make the case for owning at least one 👍.
I appreciate that man, especially when this video had to be completely redone 3 times as I wasn't liking the previous. So to see this comment shows me it was worth it, wanted the best footage for this video 💪
@@InnovationRC it's so much work filming and editing just one video let alone doing it 3 times. I really respect the commitment you have to helping others, thank you.
Very cool info thanks for sharing I did put a 2028 in a limitless and hit 100 mph but it was working hard for rpm everything you said I feel is dead on point 👍👍💯💯🔥🔥
I saw that! That's a solid achievement. Thanks man
1410 3800kv is the most popular for 1/10 scale. Surprised it's not in this video.
I don't own all of the kv motors but I did state where it lies regardless. 3800 I'd the most common as you stated
Awesome info and details man. I just got a mamba x8s combo and came with the 1650kv motor, went to install on my xmaxx and the motor was bad from factory had to send it back. Can’t wait to get it installed and keep bashing around. Thanks again for the info and all your videos. Stay safe
Awesome break down!!definitely well needed knowledge 👍👍👊👊🍻
i been beating my head for days on this matter and along comes this video thank you for going over this in detail i have a v4 kraton motor down and a traxxas maxx with a bad motor as well i think they both will be getting a 2200kv monster x system now ...subscribed too btw
Thank you so much for the info bro, I'm new to the game and this was very helpful! I'm very ignorant when coming to motor and ESC upgrades, I have an ARRMA Mojave and I love it. I was only looking for a mild upgrade for it so I bought a Castle 1512 and a Mamba monster X 25.2 volt ESC.....I hope I did ok, as like I said I'm just looking for a minor to mild upgrade. I have not installed it yet but I'll leave a comment when I do 👍🏼 Thanks again for the great videos! 🤘🏼
Thanks for all the information. I'm just now starting to upgrade my cars to brushless so very much needed info.
Really really great video. Thank you for taking the time to show guys like me who love this hobby and learning. Thank you rc god 👍
Really nice video. I’ve learned so much. Thank you 👍
Great info fam! Thanks again for our talk on IG 💪🏾💯
I have an infraction stock ..what motor would be best for bashing ..not really into speed runs but I want my truck 🛻 a few miles faster
Cool comparison on Castle motors, My first Castle ESC and Motor was a Copperhead 10 with a 1415 2,400KV (5mm shaft version) and i plan to put a Castle Mamba Monster X 8s with 1717 1,650KV in both my XO-1 and my future Infraction V2 i also might put it in my future X-Maxx and my Sledge if a 8th scale combo fails.
7700 is exactly what I wanted thanks fo reassuring me
i want the 17 series :)
It's an awesome class size to go with
I love the way you rate it
Nice e34 wagon 😎
Like Always Brandon, awesome info , saving this vid for references, , I got the Mamba Monster X 8s finally waiting on a motor from JJ Customs, stay safe brother
Awesome, you'll love the mmx8s! It's my favorite ESC currently.
@@InnovationRC Hooah brother
It's funny you say to use 12s for the 2028 800kv motor to get the power and torque but castle doesn't sell a 12s esc. According to castle, you shouldn't even use the 2028 1100kv motor with the xlx2, but they'll sure as hell sell you that combo. I talked to castle because the xlx2 I have only lasted two runs before giving up the ghost. When I filled out the rma info, I mistakenly put a motor that I no longer have which was a leopard 58113 1050kv. Unfortunately that motor was destroyed about 4-5 mos ago from a crash, but castle did tell me that motor was too big kv wise for the xlx2. I did correct my mistake when talking to castle and told them what motor I was using which is a leopard 58113 870kv. At the moment, I am waiting on an esc to be delivered, the R-snake flier 3-16s 70v 400a
My set-up
1) Losi dbxl-e 2.0
2) leopard 58113 870kv
3) Zeee 4s 9000mah 100c batts x2
3)Aluminum upgrades- Diff housings and mounts F/R, rear chassis brace. Total weight at the time was 37 lbs.
Now for what happened, I received the xlx2 on Monday and installed it. Tues I ran it for about 10 mins no problems. I was going to do a full run on Weds but it stopped after about 10 mins of run time, all on flat ground, no jumps, no rollovers.
According to the logs, on the run it failed on, Max amps were 340, ripple voltage was about 1.5 or less right up to the moment of failure, then it went to 3.5. Now according to castle, That's way too many amps, but yet castle bragged to have had 400+ amps during their testing. When I get the xlx2 back, it'll be put in storage for a back-up.
As others have said, great break down. I know some of this already but seeing all motors from the same brand the differences helps bods like me who, until recently only use cheaper motor/esc combos...maybe you can do a similar review with equivalent ESCs, factoring in drag breaks, throttle punches etc and which ones would make the crossover as a great esc for say drifit rc or crawling? Until recently I thought my Hobbywing 1060 esc was great for crawling but at the club where I'm going to start racing, for the entry level category most have said the 1060 would be great for racing with. 😊😎 Saved me buying another esc lol.
Great vid mate 👍👌
The Mamba X will surely fit both of your criteria. You can adjust drag brake on it, sensored capable to crawl with. Solid esc to run in anything up to 140 amps as well
@@InnovationRC Thanks 🙏👍😎
Great vid bro. Thanks for the content!!
What! no 1520 1650kv? I guess it wasn’t out yet.
Thank you, I've been wondering what motor for my Slash 4x4. Also what ESC to get. Looking at the 2200kv motor.
Awesome and informative video.
Which would be best for the new kraton EXB?
Thanks for the help👊💥👍
The 1717 motor, insanely efficient on 6s. You can also run it on 8s if you want more torque
What setup would u recommend for the xmaxx 8s?
Next time a video with esc’s
You'll get that as well 😉
“Redundancy” you sure bro?
Also doing batteries would be nice
I got the 1515Y in my Arrma Granite it's a Total bad ass
im still looking to convert my slash 4x4 lcg to a 8th scale truck good info , i like ,
So i’ve done some research and after owning my xmaxx for a little while, I think the 1717 1260KV would be awesome.
Awesome explanation, thank you. Q? I have a rustler 4x4 ultimate and just got a carbon fiber chassis for it to upgrade and bunch other stuff. Which motor would be the ultimate fit with for speed? Thank you in advance., also been lookin at hoobywing max8 2200kv
I'd probably look into that 2200kv on 6s. Or, get a 1512 2650kv and run 4-5s to keep it light
why are some motors only up to 4s oder 6s out there? more Voltage on bigger turns are more heat, isnt it? not only more power.
Great video thanks for the info much appreciated. I have a Redcat blackout xte Pro was wondering if I could possibly run a 15 15 and that set up?
So which series is the best bashing motor for a 1/10 scale
To bash? I'd go with a 14 series lower kv. Probably 1412 3200! Not shown in this video but it's newer
Not bad!
Okay so what motor should I get for my rustler if I want to go faster and I drive on dirt an street?
I'd go with a 1410 3800kv motor. Run it sensored!
I have a Xmaxx shud I do 2028 (1700kv) or the 1717 (1650kv)
Go 1717 1260kv, it's a newer version of the 1650!
what up man question 1717 how would you set it up for drag
Probably for 8s I'd go 24/39
There is a guy on youtube who put 2 of the castle 2028s with 2 xlx2s in a gocart he got the gocart to go 70+ mph(yes with him in it).
Also you should subscribe!!! This dude does some crazy innovations to rc cars 🚗!!!!!!! Even as far as putting a wind turbine/ jet on a limitless and a typhon if im not mistaking lol. !! Keep up the good work dude!!!
Haha thanks man I appreciate that 👍
What about the 1520 1650 kv motor
This video was made a few months prior of the 1520 release date! I wish I had one at this time
Awesome video
can you put a 1717 motor in a rustler 2wd
You could if you have the mount to fit it... but if you do your crazy lol
Hi great video thank you so much,,I live in Orlando Florida plus I’m new to Rc...That said I know temperature is the main reason you guys or the new people ruin motors or their entire set up’s..I’m going to buy the Arram EXB,,what I want is one and done..Not sure you knew what I mean so I’ll explain,, so when I’m done putting the motor the electronics plus everything else I won’t have upgrade envy..I priced one setup it was close to $1,800 and I’m not sure it will fit in the EXB,,I Should say that price includes the truck..
If you want a one and done setup, go Mamba monster X 8s esc with the 1717 1650kv motor. As I stated in the video that's the big block upgrade for 1/8 vehicles. The mmx8s esc has thrown my Kraton 8s around like a rag doll. In a vehicle half the weight? PERFECT!
Great information for motor selection. Wanted to eventually convert my summit to a badger like the erevo 2.0 what motor esc and gear set up should I run castle of course?
I would look into a mamba monster X 8s with the 2200kv motor. I wouldn't go 1717 because the summit has a plastic gear switching transmission I believe. 1717 will obliterate it haha
Brandon how do you think the 1717 1650 compares to the 1520 1650?
17 series is a little heavier duty, same speeds but will have a little more torque over the 1520, but the 1520 is no slouch either. Very similar
Hey man I need help what would you run in a KRATON 4s out of this line up something about the same as the spectrum just running a little cooler and a bit faster
I would certainly go 1515 2200kv. Larger but not overkill, run it on 3-4s gear it high and it'll run amazing
you need to update and add the castle 1520
Yessir I do!
I notice that you can't buy these motors separately? So you need their esc with it right?
What would you recommend for a Fireteam, preferably run on 6s? Castle or otherwise. Currently running the stock setup on 6s and would like more oomph for speed bashing without getting so hot. No big jumps, just baby bumps and fast running on rough terrain.
1650kv 1717 motor with a Castle mamba monster x8s esc combo
@@InnovationRC Geared properly and running 6s would this likely get me more top end or just more mid range torque? I think I'd be fine with just more torque, it's all ready got decent speed for a big vehicle.
I'm waiting on an infraction v2, and I know I'm going to upgrade. So what do you think xlx2 combo or tp big can with xlx2. Bashing and running a little over 100mph.
I just bought the Arrma Infraction and wanting to do the 8s conversion what is this the best combination over the Hobbywing Ez Run Max 6 V3 with a Poseidon Pro 1800kv 8s? Running 1520 series 1650kv or a higher or lower kv ? Do you think 1650kv is the best kv to go with what options and performance i have choosing a motor Thanks
If your at 1650 or lower you'll be legit for 8s. Just gear accordingly!
First of all, thank you for the great videos you make! They are full of information and what great speeds! Just a small question. What gear ratio do you recommend for this new set on the limitless?
MAMBA MONSTER X 8S, 33.6V ESC W / 1717-1650KV
thanks in advance,
Rik
Appreciate those words for sure. What do you ultimately decide to do with your limitless? Gear ratio depends on that
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I just want to drive straight with speed. Thanks in advance!
I have a out cast 6s and I got the 2200kv combo and the motor over heats I’ve done a whole bunch of re gearing I just need help on this
What happened to the 11kv
This video launched before the 1100kv was released to the public
I'm going to put the 1717 in a 6s Kraton running 6s 100c lipos. The 2200 on 6s gets too hot for my bashing sessions. So 1717 it is... Lol. I haven't found anyone else yet who've done this. If you know of anyone who made a video on this please let me know. I'd like to get some ideas before installation. And if not, I guess its pioneer time. going where no one else dare to go
There's many people who installed the 1717 in the Kraton. If you aren't on Facebook there's far more you'll see off TH-cam. It's probably the best big block upgrade for 1/8 vehicles
Outstanding
Great video
Is the 1:8 bigger or smaller than 1:10?
1/8 is bigger
What speeds could I get with the 1717 In a arrma talion would I get torque and speed or no?
Get both speed and torque with 8s power. Just gear appropriately and you'll be very happy
Can you put that last motor in a traxxas rustler
Subscribed! I am currently working on an arrma vendetta. Based off my research, I am about to pull the trigger on purchasing a Castle MMX8s Esc with a 1717 motor. What I intend to do with the Vendetta is just speedruns. No bashing. In your experience if I run this on 8s and utilize the same gearing I have now, which is a 44T Spur w/slipper eliminated and a 32T pinion. This thing should absolutely fly? Or am I setting myself up for a disaster? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Please!🙏
Go with a 2200kv and an X8s. The 17 series is too thick and won't fit. The 2200 is great to run on 4/6s that won't be too big to fit. Thanks for subscribing!
@@InnovationRC I really thought the 1717 would fit and I got it today and it looks like it is more of an issue of where do I put the esc. Even putting it on top of the receiver box won’t cut it. I have a v2 limitless brand new in the box. I guess I’ll put it in that Crap!
Will the 1717 fit in my Maxx? I was planning on putting that in with the mamba x esc
Great review..
Appreciate that Phil 👍
I’m new to the Rc world and i want my infraction v2 to do over 130 but i dont know what motor esc and gearing to run to accomplish that mph please help!!!
You really just need to change the esc. The stock motor can handle that speed for sure. But if you need an esc I'd just get a combo. 1717 1650kv motor with a mamba monster x 8s esc
@@InnovationRC what about the gears what tooth do i run to accomplish that speed
my brotha thanks for the very informative video. always on top of your game bro 👊👊💯💯💪💪
Was it just me or did the rubix cube change many times throughout the video?
Has the Castle Creation motor Hallsensors, so would it run with ebike Controller and 16s?
Could the bandit handle the 1717
I have a Xmaxx I wanted Great torque but still enough kv to get Speed... I went with a Leopard 58113 V2 1050Kv Max5 @8’s I am trying 33/33 1.5Mod ..my questions is with my set up could you Suggest my Possible best Gear ratio..I don’t need Super speed but I want it to Flip on a Dime if possible..I appreciate any Help in advance..Ty
So I'm getting a 30-degree North Losi 5T clone and I'm going to be running the castle 800kv but I came across a great deal on a lightly-used sensorless 800kv and I was wondering if you could talk about your experiences advantages disadvantages between the two(sensored vs sensorless) and keep in mind I'm a Basher I'm not going to be using the sensor at all I don't care to so the sensor doesn't matter but what improvements does the newer one have or will I see little to no difference
What would you recommend for a talión btw 1515 and 1717? Thanks
Definitely the 1717!
Thank you brother. I love your channel and I would like to get in touch with you for some advice on the conversion of my infraction V2 to GT. Do you have an email I can reach out?
Nice video brother.
Thanks Jack! 💪
Which motor would be good for crawling
Is go with a 1800kv slate edition crawling motor with a mamba x esc combo. It isn't listed in here but if you search for crawling electronics on Castlecreations.com you'll find it!
@@InnovationRC thank you man
Is it possible to run a tp 2810kv motor on a max5 for speed runs. Mine you that motor is only 6s drag or speedrun
What would be a good upgrade for the Axial SCORE for increased speed without sacrificing torque?
Hey bruh, gret video. Here's my question:
Project Kraton 1/5 EXB:
I purchased the Castle XLX2/ 800KV and Hobbywing Max 5/1100KV, which would you go with?
I installed the XLX2 combo with stock spur gear with Saga 32tooth pinion, am I geared best for speed and power combo?
Thanks Awesome video!
What’s a good motor for a arrma limitless?
Can go with the 1515 2200kv for light duty stuff. Or one single fast pass. Or 1717 1650kv for heavier duty applications. Bolts right in
Idk if i should go with the 1415 or 1515 in a stampede on 4s for bashing
What do you Think?
I'd go 2200. I'd use mod 1 gears so that you can gear higher than the regular 48 pitched gears
I’m buying a limitless and I’m going to buy the 1717 motor, what gearing should I run? target speed is 150mph
Great video. Question, I have a e-revo 1/16 and Im looking to acheieve 70+mph, which one of these motors would you recommend. I know the video is old and Im sure there have been upgrades to the ones above, but was just curious on your thoughts. As well as what ESC, Battery and gearing to achieve that speed. Thanks!
Great Video!
This would also be nice with tp motor! And VOR which kind of stuff you recommend castle and tp motors!
The future will have many more of these videos!
Nice
Any1 ever put a 1415 2400 In a 10.2?? I'm honestly considering it just wanna know if it'll fit first
Arrma typhon 6s which castle motor?
Hey Fellas I have a 1717-1650 kv motor installed in a Arrma Felony. The motor gets pretty hot. I'm using the standard 16 tooth pinion. Will I need to go to a smaller pinion to regulate the heat? Maybe install cooling fans? I actually burned one of these motors up and I dont wanna do it again.
Did you figure it out? This is what I'm putting on my felony. Buy if it's doing that mabye not.
@@ant9072 Yes I actually installed the 27 tooth speed gear and 4 game changer fans. Perfect!
@@gsizzlepmg thanks for the help! Just got the same motor for my felony.