Wonder of U VS D4C | Unstoppable Force vs Immovable Object
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Well deserved
Imagine if WoU pulled a meteor on D4C Love Train and the meteor was redirected in the past and that caused the extinction of dinosaurs
would be neat
*somebody kill diavolo and make this cannon*
@@Jahito_EBT and then diavolo tripped and died 1000’s of years later
Valentine would probably be like "fudge this, take this other version of me"
@@Jahito_EBT diavolo was reset
If we talk about stands at their *base* , no act ups, no requiems, no corpse parts, wonder of u is the strongest stand without a doubt
If you remove the act ups, evolutions, corpse parts, and requiems, yeah. You're definitely correct.
Actually I'd say with act up's it would be the strongest too.
In my head canon every act stand has 3 acts, and Johnny's 4 is an entire different powerup (More like Go Beyond). Because an act stand can switch between acts without limit, but act 4 requires Johnny to ride a horse to create infinite spin.
(Soo... Without horses?)
@@Camazotzer is tusk act 4 considered corpse part or act
And remember za hando can wipe anything out of existence
Wouldn't tw or kc be able to win?
tooru is literally the dude behind final destination
Lol
“No no, he has a point.”
Dub Tooru: It's over Jojo. My stand Wonder of Destination is too powerful
@@TheWonderfulLadthony HAHA
@@Stillonyx that means I’m a stand user 🤩🤩
“Tooru is the main protagonist of Jojolion”
Josuke-Gappy: am I a joke to you?
FUCKKKK I FORGOT TO MAKE AN * oops
@Jayson four balls
Ball
No balls
No ball
With how broken Love Train and Wonder of U were- I’m terrified how much more dangerous Part 9’s main villain’s powers will be in order to up the ante.
It’s just every ability
*is literally judgement but the wishes are real*
Part 7: Redirects misfortune.
Part 8: Creates misfortune.
Part 9 (prediction): Turns fortune into misfortune.
@@TKG785 part 10: erases misfortune
@@benma1116 SBR!Diavolo: *sweats nervously*
Wonder of U wins only because of his immense drip
Facts
Fax
@@tooru9849 Where is ur drip too
@@raiyanfarissyazwan7156 swiss roll haircut has enough drip
@@divyamsofat Yes
I say that Dire with his Thunder Cross Split Attack could be able to defeat them easily.
inb4 JoJo Lands features a successful Thunder Cross Split Attack
Thank u Mr. Nero, I trust your observation
@@covier7191 I swear to God if the jobro of Jojo lands doesn't have n unstoppable emerald splash
of course it could, it's the perfect combination of offense and defense!
I mean it IS the perfect combination of offense and defense I wouldn't be surprised
In terms of stats, I'd say WoU has no Strength, similar to Paisley Park, because we never see it outright attack anyone. It hurts people via environmental damage, but when confronted it just sits there taunting you to make a move, or it leaves. This is probably why it has so many Rock Insects on it, to prevent stalemates like what it faced with Josuke. For the other stats, I'd guess: A in Range (marked as infinite), either a B or an A in Precision because it had great reflexes blocking Soft and Wet Go Beyond, a C or D in Speed because when it's not teleporting you can literally out-walk it. As for Durability, probably Unknown or very low because the only damage we see it take is from Soft and Wet, which was specifically meant to utterly shred it. I have no idea what it would have for Potential.
Wait, WoU never blocked any of soft and wet go beyond special bullet, the one where he deflected with obladi is just a normal bullet
The thing is if Tooru can just hide and ride he can win but not against love train in an arena battle for example D4C can just pummel tooru yk WoU cant physically stop D4C and has to use its ability
It’s meant to be a defensive stand and it’s powers aren’t effective if tooru attempts to be on the offensive side with his stand
I think he does have some strength because Tooru had him attack Kaato before exploding his head, only Tooru had never felt the need to do so thanks to his ability. He also dodged Josuke's bubbles that he threw BTW with great speed
Potential would probably be in the C to Complete range since all Tooru does is just walk around and have his Stand do all the work. Plus he's been doing what he has at the hospital with the Lokakaka for years with WoU acting as Satoru. I'd say Tooru has explored about every potential he had if not with just a little bit left, seeing as how WoU was still amazed to have never been as close to someone as Rai when they fought. The dude can literally just kill you with a look at this point.
I honestly think the most ridicilus stand interaction within jojo would be Wonder of U vs Hey ya!
its all about incredible calamity against incredible luck
LOL, josuke "conveniently" comes on time
Hey ya! is just a stand that motivates and cheers you up. It also based on that has limited precognition. Hey ya! would pretty much just tell Pocoloco to run away
I think it's only fair if it's during the race that hey ya vs wonder of you fought, since poco loco at that time had fucking incredible luck
@@ber093 so pocoloco is just incredibly lucky?
if hey ya's ability was 'luck' then, it would be such a jokes fight, just every calamity somehow missing poco locco
This fight can basically be summed up as:
NO U!
Lol
Couldn't have said better
No, No u
Might as well throw the green baby in there with them. This an unwinnable fight for both of them, they both have defensive abilities. Neither would attack each other, they would just sit there.
To be fair the green baby only makes shit smaller when it notices something coming at it, if something came too fast and the ability wasnt active yet, i'd be gone. but if the green baby had it's stand active, it'd survive until the ability is turned off
No i wouldnt say that with Love Train its a free win WoU cant physically stop something itself it has to use items if Valentine gets close and can get some clones placed close to Tooru he cant defend himself against them since Valentine has Love Train he can leave it only when attacking without love train WoU has more Chances to win but Valentine can reset himself indefinitly also if its not a Environmental fight and its a arena fight D4C can kill Tooru and if he has Love Train he can just forever chill inside Love Train
How would the law of calamity attack FV when FV exists in his own reality without the rules of calamity
Nvm i read the comment wrong
@@cyberwar5949 Cool theory, but you got some things wrong, Wonder of U can even control people and their stands, perfect example is him using joshu to attack yasuho, jobin's ability to try to kill norisuke, and josuke's bubbles moving on their own. Even without objects he can control all the valentines or make them trip and die, toru cant hit valentine in love train, but neither can valentine hit him. It's a tie (without love train he gets clapped tho
@@Fuphu the thing is Love train is a really busted op and even tho Valentine get hurt he just go to other dimension and dojyaan everything is fine
3:07 This man's neck became broken because he touched the soap bubbles in which Josuke stored the force from the previous car accident. We can clearly see it in manga panels: Yasuho is unhurt after car situation and Josuke used his baubles on car and after it, they were near his hand when man touched it
Still the flow of calamity can do massive damage
@@METAsMETAs technically the bubbles killing the man could've been the flow of calamity. Since it got the cops after Josuke, and made him stop pursuing Wonder of U
Just as a fun fact too, it was mentioned the man was healing from a neck surgery (not sure if thats the word im looking for but close enough) and the soap bubbles ended up fracturing it
@@METAsMETAs exactly we literally also see Rai get smacked by a cart and his leg tore apart. Not only that but Josuke stabbed by a cigarette. The flow of calamity up scales the things around you to make sure they hurt you no matter who or what you are. Thor could pull up and hed be killed by a freaking fly if he wasn't careful
@@METAsMETAs this arguement literally makes 0 sense dude atleast try harder than just "sTiLL thE fLoW Of CaLamIty Can Do MaSsIve DamAGe"
"Two of some of the strongest stands within JoJo"
Where's Khnum and Thoth? JK, good video, I agree with pretty much everything in it.
What about Anubis? It has no weakness.
@@truenightmare6665 When you replied to me your profile picture showed up on my screen and scared me lol, but anyway I think Anubis has a good amount of potential, but it's quite hard to unlock. It's also a unique stand, as in it's the stand that controls the user, instead of the other way around.
@@zangetsu3108 imagine valentine or okuyasu controlled by Anubis
@@yeetusdeletus4144 He could just get an infinite amount of clones to wield an infinite amount of Anubis swords if he possessed Funny Valentine, If he possessed Okuyasu he would be able to use The Hand to its full potential, he could erase the space between him and someone to make them get stabbed automatically.
@@zangetsu3108 and the only weakness it has is being IN the blade. Just cut a piece off and put it in ur pocket.
So basically D4C/LT disperces any damage threat into other places or dimensions, and WoU redirects threats from all places into the potential attackers. Independently of who would win, their fight would be so chaotic and I don't doubt that they would destroy entire dimensions just by standing still.
LT would take a bullet that was supposed to kill Valentine and send it into another dimension, turning it into an equivalent damaging object (like an arrow) and still killing someone somewhere else. Imagine what would happen if WoU starts sending stuff to D4C/LT. Jeez, harmless rain was deadly to Josuke and the drops pierced through him like if he was nothing, imagine what would happen the moment the flow of calamity starts throwing Cars, trees, and buildings into LT, just to be send into another dimension, they could potentially turn into literal natural dissasters that would destroy entire cities from other universes in a matter of seconds.
Dinosaurs: SO IT WAS THESE FCKERS FAULT
Actually, i belive that this would show something that no one ever saw, the limit of Love Train.
Like, D4C is ridiculous?, yes, it is, but if WoU just keep giving infinity damage and D4C being incapable of really doing things to him, maybe one hour or another, D4C would reach a limit, like, ''Ok, im just getting out of range her, some attacks are coming closer and closer on the dimensions and time, i seended attacks to all possible futures, i sended attacks to all possible pasts, soon i will get out of dimensions, soon i will get killed, and there will be no Valentine in any place of the multiverse to me to posses...I need to kill this thing as quickly as possible'' *WoU Intensifiles even more because of the even more intentions of D4C/LT.*
in my opinion it wouldn't be that chaotic. since WoU is capable of using anything to his advantage, it would probably be able to break throug love train by somehow making johnny joestar with tusk act 4 appear. Just as that airplane broke several minutes before the attack on the higashikata house was a thing, and just how we are shown WoU being able to manipulate other stands (like josuke's bubbles used against Rai) and other people, i don't think it would be hard for the head doctor to pick Johnny Joestar up and brinh him into the battlefield.
@@zerotohero884 you forgot that love train can redirect attacks back to the attacker, there's still a chance that Tooru would get fucked by his own Calamity
@@zerotohero884 well, can WoU use or progress to a attack or move that has infinite power or energy behind it? The only thing that surpassed love train was a move with infinite energy powering it, this means the only way to kill valentine with love train would be to overpower love train with a attack with infinite power behind it, this could only be done by randomly making tusk act 4s spin appear or by making GER randomly appear to return to zero love train.
Also the flow of calamity cannot attack stands with d4c being able to go outside love train and WoU and it’s user aren’t immune to immediately combusting when they come into contact with another universe version of them. In which case we’d have WoU vs WoU which umm? Anyway love train also has the possibility of redirecting the flow of calamity back at Toru, who’s stand would then redirect that calamity elsewhere or negate it completely, this would come down to who has greater control over reality, either the saints corpse or wonder of u. And that’s inconclusive.
The battle itself would be impractical and indecisive but it would end in one of a few ways. 1 tusk act 4s infinite spin is summoned from a different universe ( if WoU can draw in calamities from other universes and Johnny isn’t dead) and love train is defeated.2 d4c attacks toru with the flow of calamity unable to do much 3 d4c brings in another WoU. The two torus collide and are ripped apart.
I never understood this. D4C Love Train would be absolutely immune to WoU. Just, D4C wouldn't be able to attack Toru because the second he leaves the Love Train golden light, he would get destroyed. So, I see it as an infinite tie. WoU is the unstoppable force and Love Train is the immovable object.
Now that I think of it, Toru would win because Rock Humans live way longer than humans. He'd just have ti wait for Funny to die of old age unless Love Train or the Holy Corpse prevents that.
Not an infinite tie because there is a tiny chance that a calamity gets redirected to Tooru
@@bomdia4179 true, but I thought that it would be funny if a calamity hit the redirected calamity and the calamities cancelled out.
he could just swap out himself with another him to live forever
Couldn't he just shoot Tooru from inside the light? Maybe that would work. Or Valentine could also kill Tooru in a dimension where he doesn't have Wonder of U, and then throw the corpse on main world Tooru.
@@diogenessilviocemartins9019 he could shoot *at* Tooru from inside the light, but the attack *will* miss due to the flow of calamity
Wou is the definition of a menace to society
It allows the user to do whatever they want with no consequences and it runs too deep into the human psychology of "pursuit" that it gives you the feeling that you can't do anything about it the second you understand it's ability (if you even survived up to that point)
Power scaling in jojo with stands is like rock paper scissors where one stand can beat one stand but not the other
Correction, it is like rock paper scissors but paper can beat scissors with enough bullcrap.
Yepp, it seems now that Go Beyond can probably damage GER without issues, but the problem is that he needs to aim it since they act like bullets. Plus other stands can still beat Soft and Wet.
I mean, theoretically most stands could both beat each other since this is Jojo's and there's no REAL power scaling, an example of this is Weather Report (arguably weaker than Made In Heaven) beating Made In Heaven when used by Emporio in the right way, and shen used by Weather being beaten by Pucci using Whitesnake (obviously weaker than Weather Report when you look at the capabilities).
Gold Experience Requiem is a massive exception though, it ruined part 5 for me with what a deus ex machina it was. Even Tusk Act 4 had a hard prerequisite to use it and felt a lot more organic. Jojo's power scaling is doodoo, yeah.
*BUT NO ONE CAN DEFLECT THE EMERALD SPLASH* !!!!
Yea, idk whether josukes nothing bubbles are automatic, but if he has to make the choice to use them or has to be involved with his own actions in any way, ger still wins. Ger would revert josuke's will to fire said bubbles, and then beat the shit out of him. The lesson we learned? Ger is fucking stupid lol
I love the fact that the deeper you go in to Jojo the more higher degree of education you need to understand
Part 3 Stands: I am going to beat you to death.
Part 7-8 Stands: 5000 word explanation.
I'm going to pull a Jotaro:
Love Train and Wonder of You are the same type of stand.
Their power is to control the flow of calamity/fortune. While Wonder of You can control where misfortune will go, Love Train controls where it can't go (to Valentine in this case).
Therefore I think that Valentine wouldn't loose because even if WoY directed misfortune to him love Train would redirect it to somewhere else
Yeah, but it's in Tooru's favor regardless, Tooru able to live for centuries and he can eat normally without deactivating the stand ability. Valentine would just die before Tooru does while he is unable to leave Love Train, at least in the base dimension.
@@suezuccati304 if love train reflects misfortune then isn't Valentine immortal while in it?
Dying would be very misfortune
@@the05thatasked52 just because you have the most powerful shield on existence it doesn't means that holding it will make you immune to cancer
@@suezuccati304 debatable as cancer would be misfortune
@@the05thatasked52 you realize that Love Train only reflects misfortune, it doesn't removes misfortune, right? Like when Ball Breaker fucked up Valentine and D4C, they couldn't regenerate regardless of the reflecting.
It's plainly stated that whatever happens to Valentine on the dimensional barrier isn't reversed by Love Train.
Wonder of U's design is very appropriate for a Stand that represents such a primordial force.
In a universe where powers are named after songs, he's the one with a face resembling the thing that lets you hear those songs to begin with; A microphone.
3:14 Was it redirected or was it a societal calamity? Being accused for a murder you didn't do causing you to be wanted by the police is a great way to stop someone pursuing you.
Vision of the fight
“Oh so you are approaching me”
“Dojyaaan”
(A bunch of desks, coat racks and cows flying across the world at an alarming rate while two fashionably dressed men stare at each other)
True
24:33 Nope! You can't claim that because the reason Josuke could harm Touru is that Soft and Wet Go Beyond isn't part of this universe. It's just like Johnny's Tusk Act 4. It's inescapable because it transcends universes. If Wonder of U could also transcend universes, Go Beyond wouldn't work on it.
Yea I kinda tried to explain this too lol
like i said I'm not going to assume things i cant explain
the reason why infinite rotation was able to bypass dimensions is because it's an infinite energy so cannot be stopped, so distance would not be a factor between dimensions cause it Infinite. it was explained in the manga even Diego commented on. so for the wonder of u to able to even hit fv, it first need to be able to manipulate gravity to a tea and it also needs to be boundless in range and be unaffected by time. because being able to cross infinite distances and different time spaces you need to be unaffected by both
Honestly, Wonder of U's range is potentially infinite. We've seen Wonder of U be in multiple places at the same time, attacking multiple people in multiple locations, or even just sorta hanging around and causing calamities (like when it kept appearing at the Higashikata household and causing accidents or when it kept appearing at the jail, etc.). Given that, theoretically, Tooru could be on the other side of the planet from his opponent and just sort of win by accident. It's crazy.
However, there's one way D4C Love Train could counter Wonder of U. If someone attacks Valentine with Love Train active and the attack just happens to hit Tooru, then Valentine could win the fight by accident. Other than that, I don't see any way for Valentine to win a direct encounter.
I have to disagree to some extent with Love Train easily beating WoU. It would either be a stalemate, or Valentine would lose - stalemate, Valentine stays inside Love Train and all calamities are redirected to different places in different points in time. If Valentine tries to attack, he needs to leave love train, at least the body part he is attacking with, such as his arm. As soon as he does, bam, calamity hits immediately. So, id say this one goes to WoU.
You could technically say that if he waited long enough, Tooru would be the only person left for misfortune to be redirected to and he would die but that would take an INCREDIBLY long time, by which point WoU would likely have lost interest in fighting Valentine if he has what he wants
valentine can summon other valentine's. Toorus dead.
As a smart man in one of the replies said(Paraphrasing)
"D4C can still attack and leave love train without Valentine, making him still capable to attack because calamities can't affect stands"
@@ProjektTaku How would more Valentines change anything? There is only one D4C so the alternate valentines would be useless.
@@X3GreenTea I mean, gun. Also just because there's one D4C doesn't mean that that all the other valentines don't have stands.
@@X3GreenTea D4C could just summon another tooru and he would die.
I’ve been waiting for this video for months, and it’s finally here ;)
Valentine: fools, with the holy corpse parts, I have gained the ultimate ability
Tooru: i ate a plant
and now
I can still kill you, nothing has changed
Valentine is invinsible with his love train and also can give misfortune too enemy just like gyro when he can get attack and go to his hard
*Hamburger
@BärenTelevision DC goes to get another valentine
@@nothingyeteverything6081 What if it's a one shot?
@@WeedMaxxer Funny valentine is no longer president
Technically since WoU can involve other people, it could hypothetically get Johnny to show up on a horse
Lmao
Lol that is entirely bound to happen. Since there is no limit to what shape Calamity can be, and with Karma being a factor in Calamity, it would most definitely come to stop Valentine in the form of Johnny, who would have Tusk Act 4
cool concept
I wonder who wins by the end of the video
Hello twin
This is getting out of hand
Now there are Two of them
I see what You did there
@@_Bunger_ Hello twin
@@_Bunger_ hello too
I’ve been waiting for this, thank you!
I’ve been waiting for thisss!!🔥🔥 I don’t care about others opinion, what I wanted about this video is how you put your words and effort just for a single video. You’re insane! Love your vids always.
WOU: take this calamity
Love Train: nope
Imagine Tooru and Valentine working together. Valentine pursuits Tooru, causing Calamity, but redirecting that Calamity to anyone and everyone else with Love Train. . . Terrifying.
Honestly valentine just has to land something strong once even if a calamity kills him he can keep switching bodies multiple clones going through objects with his body and not just his stand and he doesn’t even have to attack the head doctor d4c can bring another version of him to reality I don’t think love train is as strong as a calamity because he has to be outside of love train to attack and the calamity is an automatic defensive ability but I say funny valentine wins this high difficulty
Wonder of You's entire ability is fate, they brought this up in the video. Wonder of You would just attack him before he switches, it's entire ability is fate.
@@hentaienjoyer2627 honestly that’s true but think about this what’s more powerful a calamity or the holy corpse a calamity is a bad thing that can be redirected by the corpse all the ability does it cause regular objects to fly towards you and do big damage funny valentine is just like oh that’s funny D4c hide in the light calamity is an infinite spin ability like the golden rotation or josuke a soap bubble the only thing that can get in love train is the spin bro
@@pwnster14 it's not just objects as we see, the calamities can be in any form they can even affect you and the people around you socially and literally give you bad luck which Love Train should also be able to prevent. But look at it this way, say Valentine reaches out of it to attack his arm would be now unprotected but the rest of his body still will be, and but what if his arm gets stricken with a calamity that pulls him out of Love Train whether that be a physical pull or just bad luck that results in a sequence of events that leads to him being pulled out someway somehow. And so theirs high evidence for both of them winning, this fight will just never have a clear winner because it's a JoJo fight in which anything can happen randomly in seconds. And but Valentine would never hit Tooru or THD unless he has spin, because just like only spin can get through Love Train its the same with the calamity
@@knownasdrako0753 that is very true but let me counter by saying remember how kaato put tsurugi on him and wasn’t attacking him what if he doesn’t attack him and brings an alternate one to the same place and makes him blow up like Diego lol
@@pwnster14 But you see, The whole thing about WoU is that you think Akefu satoru is the user, Valentine would pick-up a random old man w/out knowing the user is tooru
Good God, what is the main villain of "JoJoLands" going to be like? *VERY CONCERNED*
Araki gonna get a noble prize in theoretical physic just so he has power material for part 9 main villain
Plot twist: main villain part 9 Jeff bazos
If this one was think and you die then this next one is exist on my A stat range and die.
@@blobofmeatwhoexist8460 part 7 : avoiding misfortune
Part 8: creating misfortune
Part 9: gaining power from misfortune
He will have the ability to un-bizzare your adventure
This is a stale mate, both have weaknesses that the other can't use against them. D4C Love Train has a weakness of gravity but I'm pretty sure WOU can't affect gravity. WoU has a weakness of anything that isn't affected by the laws of the world and D4C Love Train can't use that weakness. The only way the other wins is if you make an assumption about their abilities.
Realistically though couldnt wonder of u affect something that does affect gravity, like manipulating johnny into showing up to bully valentine, or even just cause the infinite rotation to happen by complete bullshit (considering its creating a perfect spin while riding a horse in a certain way i assume ita possible, just a statistical anomaly)
Wonder of U creates misfortune, D4C redirects misfortune. And the second valentine leaves the light to attack, he's dead. I reckon it's an infinite tie that favours Tooru.
Tooru literally said that even a saint couldn't resist to the calamity.
He’s never going to leave the light it’s a stalemate
Valentine isn't an idiot lol he is never gonna leave the light so it's a stalemate
@@shudeepta yeah realistically it’s a stalemate but if valentine WAS an idiot he could lose meanwhile if tooru was an idiot he still couldn’t
@@javonteakingofgod283 yes but favours tooru because valentine could lose by acting out of character but tooru couldn’t lose even if he had okuyasu’s brain cells
Now this is a video I’ve been waiting for!
I’ve been waiting for this exact video
Why can’t base d4c just bring in a friendly tooru and tooru is not gonna target himself +
Love train controls luck and wonder of u borrows the power of luck
Though I love the argument they don’t know how each other that wonder of u would target him automatically
he would need to pursue neighboring world tooru to do that
@@NotPork I just said a friendly tooru remember this guy is the president of the USA he would have to have extreme charisma we even see this when he almost tricked Johnny
@@manuelmoralez2257 doesn't wou automatically target anyone pursuing him I don't think it being a good tooru would help him
@@mystrenula3911 only if ya have ill content so if he’s seeking to make a ally he’s not gonna have hostile thoughts towards him
@@mystrenula3911 plus alternate tooru’s might have different ability’s and be a good guy for an example
Wonder of U is broken, so is love train. But the difference is that WoU is the embodiment of “The best defense is offense”, while Love train is “The best defense is defense but ya can attack once in a while.
It's a tie unless for some reason Valentine decides to step out or leave to another dimention permanently or ask for a cease fire.
Oh yeah also we have to take in the idea of the hit list you mentioned, if he is the main target it's gonna be a oneshot, perfect examples are the plane door, Kei's death, mamezuku etc. So both win or lose? pff
yeah but love train can still be used offensively like how when lucy was running away from the guards the guards still got killed, just because the guards chasing her would be considered misfortune
@@standlessoverheaven8879 If i'm not wrong I THINK i know what you are talking about, and she used her temporary stand which was tear blades. not related directly with love train. Love train can attack only when an attack has already occurred like with gyro's bite mark, in that sense it's never gonna happen because wonder of u deflects anything bad from the user unless it isnt real or isnt actually an attack. (aka if he drank too fast, that isnt an attack, if the illness is being transferred, that is just the fruit acting normally aka not an attack).
Again I can only reach the conclusion of a cease fire, if im wrong about the scene ur talking about pls tell me
@@Fuphu no i was talking about when lucy woke up and was getting chased by the guards. the guards weren't even trying to attack her. there were only trying to catch up to her and calm her down also the wonder of u defense's is different from love train. if you're affected by calamity then being able to hit the wonder of you is basically impossible 'cause you would be getting hit by constant by a barrage of calamity so you won't even be able to get close but snice calamities are considered as misfortune it'll just be re directed away, while love train is a physical barrier stopping you. the wonder of you is defense moves works as an offensive ability. as in anything that person would do would be bad luck while with valentine that won't apply because bad luck doesn't exist for valentine while he is in love train so therefore he would be unaffected by calamities defensive abilities so he would be able to attack without calamity being a problem
@@standlessoverheaven8879 That isn't love train, thats part of her tear ability. It still ends as a cease fire for valentine
@@Fuphu first off lucy ability isn't named that it's called "ticket to ride". also that is love train because valentine needed to fuse lucy's corpse into himself to require love train. even the names are supposed to tie in "ticket to ride love train" it is stated in the wiki and in the manga so you're either denying evidence or just don't know what you're talking about
Wonder of u: is a bad luck final destination stand, but the most interesting about it is that the damages doubles or even to infinity, meaning u step on the floor, u prob break ur legs from it
D4C: Send everything away to others but the wall can break by infinite energy
Wonder of u beats it since he lives in 2011 and phones exists
i love how THATS the reason WoU wins
Personally, I think Wonder of U is overestimated in strength. Yes, it’s incredibly strong, but I can think of a few Stands that can tie with it or even beat it.
First off, Chariot Requiem. Chariot Requiem is essentially the cooler version of Wonder of U to me. Think about it. Both Stands are seen commonly just walking around at a slow pace, and attempting to pursue them will be futile. The main difference is that with Chariot Requiem, Stands cannot attack it. Stands will go and attack their user. Not only that, if Wonder of U somehow ended hitting Chariot Requiem, it wouldn’t matter as it would end up just regenerating it’s limbs. The only way Tooru could win is by destroying the light behind his head, which would end up killing himself. I doubt he would even figure that out though given how it Diavolo figured it out.
Next up, Notorious BIG. This would end up either being a tie or win for BIG, but more likely a tie. That being said, while the calamity is strong, it won’t be able to kill Notorious BIG with how it works. If even a car crashed into it, it would just heal it off. Eventually, BIG would end up killing Tooru since if they fought BIG would essentially destroy the world if nothing else stopped it.
Another Stand while it won’t outright stomp it does have a good chance, Cream. The reason I say Cream is that it sorta can have the same effect as Kaato’s Stand. It’s mouth and ball form is a portal to the void, so Vanilla Ice could just have intentions of protecting DIO and sending Wonder of U to the void, which it could do. But even if he had intentions of pursuing or harming Wonder of U, he can literally disappear from the corporeal world, meaning he can’t be harmed.
Another Stand I think could stand a chance is Bites the Dust. Mainly, because these two are sorta similar as their ability is activated by pursuit, although the way they activate are different as well as the effects. If Kira planted BTD on someone and they went and revealed Kira’s identity to Wonder of U, it would effectively win the fight. Or Tooru figures out Kira’s identity, it really can work out in Kira’s favor. He won’t even NEED to pursue Wonder of U at all.
These are just a few ideas I had, but I definitely have room for suggestion or if someone wants to argue against some. The only two I’m stating can’t lose to Wonder of U are Chariot Requiem and Notorious BIG. Cream and Bites the Dust are just good competition against Wonder of U.
i don’t think notorious b.i.g would be able to kill toru because calamities don’t have to take a physical form. its essentially bad luck, so if b.i.g attempts to pursue or even thinks to pursue the calamity would make them unable to do so, this doesn’t mean necessarily being hit by a car just anyway to stop being pursued.
Also for cream, he is unable to see inside the dimension meaning he needs to get out of his pocket dimension to see where tooru is where he will have no protection from the calamity.
This is by far the best comment I've seen on this video. Gg. Chariot Requiem for the win!
What if Valentine were to let tooru in love train walls, and then he tried to kill him in there? Calamities wouldn't reach them but then Valentine couldn't harm Tooru because he is in the love train walls. But then he could send Tooru to a different dimension. I think that counts as a win
Imo WoU wins easily. Love Train might be able to avoid his "attacks" but not his influence, Valentine is going let his guard down or something like that. I don't even doubt that one of the calamities might randomly be something using the infinite spin. If the fight against WoU said something, it's that the only way to escape WoU is literally not existing.
valentine's ability (love train) is a definitive counter to wou
valentine wouldn’t let his guard down, valentine is many things, but dumb and cocky is not any of those
To understand Valentine's Love train, you must know its Ability. Valentine's Love Train redirect any misfortune to anyone and only the good luck will come to Valentine
Valentine only got defeated by Johnny because johnny attatined the perfect golden ratio, and golden ratio is an absolute perfection that can matches super luck
WoU is not using the powers like Golden Ratio to breaks Love Train but instead uses Calamity, the negative side in luck, the bad luck hence, Love Train will just redirect any misfortune or bad luck Valentine will have to any person on earth
@@rolluponyostreet Wonder of you is an unstoppable force. Pretty self explanatory. He can bypass love train.Cant he just, like... “Occur a calamity” before the love train hits tooru? besides, tooru would be like a kilometer away. wou wins low diff
not exist?
Funny Valentine: *leaves universe*
Hey here’s something I was thinking of it’s called d4c requiem when d4c gets hit by a requiem arrow when he found one in another dimension he touches it by accident and gains his stand
Ability
1-over copy
He can create a copy of a planet/universe and once touches destroys all of it
2-inf teleportation
He can teleport from anywhere no matter where
3-over dimensional force
He can go in a dimension where the enemy is weak and can kill them and once that happens it affects all dimensions of that said person
4-d4c reverse train
Same as love train but he can run faster then any thing he can revert any damage but twice as much damage
5-over sight
He can see threw anything
6-dimensional fist
If he touches you then said person would would be destroyed cause using this ability he can turn his stand into a copy of the enemy and can insta kill anyone
I literally asked for this tysm!!!! :)
1:GER (The ultimate no)
2:Made In Heaven (countered by WOU and Love Train)
3:Tusk(Countered by Made in Heaven due to speed)
4:D4C Love Train(countered By Tusk)
5:Wonder of U (Love Train)
Disagree
Tusk also loes to wonder of u since to trting to attack the head doctor would be pursuing the head doctor so something unlucky would happen bcs of WoU ability such as johnnys horse breaking it leg for bumping into something like maybe some leafs a twig which would cause johnny to nit be able to use act 4 D4C also beats Tusk act 4 the only reason why johnny beat funny valintine was because he let him shoot his last nail bullet if he didn't johnny would've be screwed also he didn't even try dodge it, Wonder of U can beat love train (as shown in the video) and D4C love train beats tusk and it can beat MoH and WoU if Funny Valintine keeps on stabbing himself in love train until the misfourtune gets redirected to pucci or torrou he can also just donut himself with d4c for the exact same effect and get multiple funny valintines to also do this to make it even quicker
Also why didm't you mention soft and wet go beyond? 1 shot nearly killed torru and it has far less limitations than WoU so i think i should be at 5 instead of act 4 even if its AP is far less than act 4
@@nal7463 tusk is a spin ability so there is no reason why tusk wouldn’t clap wonder of u
@@manuelmoralez2257 Did you even read what i typed? i said tusk loses to WoU bevause would cause something extremely unlucky bcs he would be pursuing the head doctor so something really unlucky would happen before he can get the horse power to activate act 4 like it johnnys horse could while running could bump into a twig and because of WoU ability it could break the horse leg or it could start raining and bcs of WoU abillity it could begin piercing through johnny and his horse makibg him unable to use the infinite spin.
@@nal7463 the video says Love Train>WOU. I agree. Reason I didn’t put Go beyond is because it would be 6 imo. Since Tusk goes through dimensions and junk and even Johnny didn’t understand the full limit of it. No Tusk doesn’t have a long charge up time you’re argument for it losing to D4C is the same as saying “only reason A beat B is because he got hit by a right hook if he didn’t he would have won” Tusk counters Love train. Even taking your argument seriously though the stand itself out powers D4C. Also again for WOU vs Tusk your arguing Johnny being able to fire the bullet but not the stand itself once Tusk appears it’s not going to stop unless WOU puts something to block it. There are ways for Johnny to still win in character also if Josuke can fire off his attack why can’t Johnny? I believe WOU bullies MIH unless the universe is reset in which then Pucci can avoid it because everyone’s fate is stuck in place but his.
Josuke’s Go Beyond could go up on the list just need to give the chapters another read.
I think love train is a perfect counter for wou cause it brings any misfortune into something else, and wou is really just something that causes misfortune to people (there is levels to it)
The fastest 28 minutes you're videos are really good
Also I agree with the outcome
So glad I found this channel literally 3 years later since the wonder of You Analysis vid. Now I have Jojo binge
Chad bowler hat VS Virgin bunny ears
How about they go to the Ghost Alley and look back? We know stands can touch Ghosts but Tooru's stand doesn't really interact with things directly. I wonder how much calamity would be needed to stop an unstoppable force.
Well the hands would probably be the victim of the calamity in some way because they're trying to pursue tooru.
@@mappingshaman5280 I know and it's interesting how this interaction might play out. Calamity will stop them but for how long?
@@JV-km9xk actually I think the hands are not of this world, so they wouldn't be affected by the logic of the world which calamity is.
I’ve waited for four, no, five thousand years for this!
I sensed a video was coming while I was eating baked spaghetti watching one of your videos earlier. Now I'm gonna watch this one while I have the shits
What is baked spaghetti
I think this fight would just be an endless stalemate with love train where love train constantly redirects the flow of calamity away from Funny. The only way I can see one of them winning is if WOU does the pursuing and Funny pulls that body ripping apart trick Lucy did to kill AU Diego one em but even then the calamity itself would still exist.
Hey dood, this is a cool video but I have a criticism. When you edit your videos, can you turn your volume up a bit? It's very hard to hear even with my headphones on max.
definitely agree, i have to hold my phone up to my ear and when i get an ad i just get my eardrum exploded
I like how fortune has become the thematic thread between main antagonist’s stands like time was in the og universe
Stands like The World and Star Platinum would be able to hit Funny Valentine when he achieves Love Train, because when he leans out to attack, they can just stop time and attack. It won’t be a permanent solution, since another Valentine would simply take over, but that would be pretty cool
DOJYAA~~N
Edit: Also for mid ball I meant D4C Lovetrain is Infinite 4D not 3D and the high ball is 5D
It is an interesting fight. An unkillable opponent versus an untouchable one.
For Wonder of U vs D4C, Valentine might be able to exploit Wonder of U's one weakness, that being that the flow of calamity can only target one person at a time. Of course, it can switch targets VERY rapidly and even strike multiple targets in the same area, but with enough preparations and enough Valentines, it is not impossible for one to get close enough. But to actually do something is a different question altogether, especially when the flow of calamity can strike Valentine when he's trying to escape to another realm. Valentine requires objects to travel. The flow of calamity murders people with those very objects. Wonder of U wins here.
As for Love Train, yeah. It just wins. Wonder of U manipulates calamity. Love Train reflects calamity, period. And as Josuke showed when he used Paisley Park's connection to attack Tohru, Tohru himself is not immune to calamities himself.
actually, tooru is immune to the calamities caused by wou, for example, when the door of the plane is deflected so as not to hit him. Sorry if you don't understand what I mean, I'm practicing my English
@@Ibukwen Tooru's Stand directs the flow of calamity. Naturally, he wouldn't direct it at himself, but at the same time, he is not immune to misfortunes in general as Love Train is. That was my point.
A good example, though.
The slide panel curved its trajectory cause tooru was in the way when he was launched in the air by go beyond. It was falling straigjt towards yasuho but since tooru got in the way it immediately missed him. Josuke's bubble can hit tooru because it's not a calamity it was a miracle. If you try to aim the bubble at tooru you'll get hit by calamity, but tooru won't be able to manipulate where the bubble goes because wou follows logic while go beyond does not.
The video is finally out. I can die happy
yo Nice vid. hopefully jobber gets a good amount of subs from this... dudes been working his ass off on shit llike this.
After 4- No, 5 years!
But can either of them deflect EMERALD SPLASH?
rest in peace ,kakyoin he will forever be in our hearts.
LETTS GOO BEEN WAITING FOR MONTHS
This guy is my new favorite TH-camr.
I bet Araki just sits at home and laughs at everyone trying to power scale characters he's purposely made ambiguous in order to avoid this exact situation
That being said, GER beats all
except TWOH
@@ProjektTaku Good thing it is not canon
@@chiefbologna5719 why?
@@ProjektTaku because it doesn't fit anywhere in the timeline. You could argue its a different universe but it still can't interact with the main continuity
@@chiefbologna5719 I'm asking why is it a good thing its not canon?
Basically
Wonder Of U: No,You!
D4C Love Train: *NO,YOU!*
On the thumbnail, WoU and D4C looks like a duel between former Civil war soldiers at old age from the rival teams. Both being the same age around adoleciance and has seen each other on the battlefield before.
Now this would be a interesting fight to see played out
I've always wondered if valentine could activate D4C with his shirt. I mean, his body is technically pressed between one end of his shirt and the other end, so theoretically he could activate it on the fly without anything except literally the clothes on his back
probably not cuz the shirt is one object. though you could maybe argue about the molecules or the different materials that make up the shirt but who knows, arak probably didn't want to make d4c even more OP
My interpretation of love train is that it just takes all the misfortune that would happen to Valentine and express mails it straight to our boy Diavolo
it's canon that this is one of diavolo's death scenarios since they are infinite
Tooru and Funny Valentine : *fight*
people within a 100 meter radius : well i guees Im preparing to die
I have to give this one to Wonder of U considering how his manipulation of Calamity has lead to a few attempts at killing a target where it’s just straight up reality warping like when Rai is in jail and his food just rots into mush right before his eyes. Considering the potential of what can be done with the calamities, he just has so many options to land a kill.
Love Train just deflects every misfortunate events though.
It sounds literally as they say in the video, but I think they haven't considered one of the options that Valentine has, and that it to bring another Wonder of u from other dimension, and then can happen some scenarios, first that the flow of calamity nullifies as there are two flows from different angles. The second option is that simple both flows affect to another wonder of u, but then someone would probably will argue that the flow goes to the first to discover the identity, so Valentine would let the flow kill him, so D4C will bring another Valentine, and now the flow affects to the second wonder of u, not to say that the flow of the second would have been affecting the first wonder of u all that time
Not very basically if another wou come two wou have to be merge no matter how u do it 2 body must fuse then that how wou die
For part 9, what I want more than anything are main character/villain stands that don't hurt my brain to think of on the simplest levels
We waited for centuries man
Wonder of U is more ubiquitous then D4C, therefore Wonder of U would probably win even with Love Train. Love Train and Wonder of U's powers essentially cancel each other out unless D4C decides to pursue Wonder of U. At the point Love Train will redirect Calamities misfortune but the issue is that it doesn't negate the misfortune, it only redirects it. Because of the Ubiquity of Wonder of U's Calamity the effect will still work on Valentine. I imagine Love Train would redirect misfortunate only until the point Valentine looses physical (cellular, molecular, atomic) cohesion, dies of disease, spontaneously evaporates or combusts.
Here is something interesting about Jojo powersets.
The World & Killer Queen : (Omnipotence) (All-Powerful)
King Crimson & Made in Heaven : (Omniscience) (All-Seeing or All-Knowing)
D4C & Wonder of U : (Omnipresence) (Ubiquity)
Hermit Purple : Omniscience
Star Platinum & Stone Free: Omnipotence
Shining Diamond & Gold Experience : Omnibenevolence
Wonder of U is my favorite stand until part 9 stands maybe
this is the perfect description of "when an immovable object meets and unstopable force"
I think wonder of u wins because, since we've seen that the flow of calamity can possess/partially control other people, scenario 1 is that the flow of calamity causes Johnny to come up and attack with the infinite spin, and since we saw Mitsuba cutting her own fingers off without even noticing until she looked down, scenario 2 is that valentine accidentally drops lucy and therefore loses love train, has some severe damage dealt to him by the calamity, and it becomes fatal before he even knows that it happened. Ultimately, the flow of calamity is such that if you pursue, or even consider pursuing Tooru or Wonder of U, something bad will happen to you, and since Valentine doesn't have a way to attack him without pursuing, either he never attacks or something bad happens to him. At least, that's what I think.
I predict Wonder of U appearing in part 9 in a flashback. I have this weird feeling that Tusk Act 4 and WoU fought at some point in the past. Johnny and Tooru just seem like two forces that are destined to meet in the world, bc of how strong they are and how much they oppose each other
Tooru would be dead if Johnny and him fought
@@SJG2007 johhny can't do anything too tooru
@@magicman4379 he literally has the power Josuke uses to kill Tooru
@@SJG2007 Nah, Infinite rotation would still count as pursuing and calamity would get Johnny, it isn't invisible to abilities like go beyond.
@@browdoe Infinite rotation is not the important part. Go Beyond was able to attack Tooru because it didn’t exist and also it is the same attack as Tusk Act 2s bullet holes
Can you please do a GER vs. Soft and Wet Go Beyond? I'd love to see this match up.
GER massively stomps due to the massive gap between them in terms of everything (speed, strength, durability, precision, and most notably and dangerously, potentiel). Source: databook statements
@@ber093 but go beyond does not exist. So how can you revert something to zero if it does not exist
@@ber093 Can you show me what data book says this?
@@nal7463 best i can remember from the databooks is that its at the very least stated his stronger than star platinum physically sooo thats something and uh i got some feats if ya want those
@@blueberryelf1150 You could also definitely argue for GER being Go Beyond as well.
I think it would be a stalemate between lovetrain and WOU just because you can make the argument calamities will cancel out the lovetrain misfortune wall and vice versa
bro jojo stands are always the coolest abilities i love how there always super complex and hard to understand which when you understand them there so damn cool
D4C love train is just a super complex version of GER.
in no way are they similar except maybe they cant be 'touched'
No
GER bodies every stand in existence, causality manipulation is no joke man.
It's a close fight, no doubt, but wonder if U would basically always win unless Valentine brought a random Tooru that doesn't have Wonder of U. Without that happening, it will always either be a stalemate or Wonder of U wins.
just realised, both wonder of u and D4C have something to do with a fated thing, being luck or chaos and order, there is not a single main antagonist time stand (diego was not the main antagonist) in the new universe so in part 9 the main antagonist will not have a time stand, but instead will have a stand dealing with something to do with fate and something that cannot be controlled like how wonder of u and D4C worked
I believed that the flow of calamity will still chases D4C after going another alternate universe. Because alternate universes, and other dimension are linked to the original universe/dimension.
I would argue that
Wonder of U is the embodiment of a d20 in a dungeons and dragons game, he can pick and choose which number the d20 is gonna fall on, but that also means he is limited to a d20, what I'm saying is, as long as there is a possibility that something might happen he can make it happen to protect him, Love Train in the other hand isn't limited by that, he will be protected at all costs even if it doesn't make sense, now a cool stand fight would be Wonder of U vs Ticket to Ride (which is a crazy powerful stand people don't really talk about) that basically has the same powers as wonder of u just switching the pursuit condition to a may cause harm condition
That's not how WoU works. WoU doesn't manipulate Tooru's condition. It manipulates the opponent's condition. It's forcing its pursuer to always roll luck check constantly, and always fail it. D4C however works by rerolling the dice until Valentine passes the check (though he does this with the roundabout method of forcibly passing the failed check to other people). WoU will constantly throw failed luck checks, and D4C will constantly reroll until he succeed the luck checks. Of course Valentine can still walk closer to Tooru in the meantime he's passing luck checks, so he's going to win eventually.
@@straypaper well i didn't said it manipulates his condition "... To protect him" As long as he's been pursued everything that could possibly happen to stop the pursuer is gonna happen
@@punusername3445 Yes but you worded it as though Tooru is the one who's being affected. WoU doesn't "protect Tooru from pursuers no matter what", it "harms Tooru's pursuers no matter what". WoU neither protects nor is it fixated towards Tooru, as demonstrated by how it's still active despite Tooru being already dead.
@@straypaper if you re-read your comment maybe out loud you are going to find what's wrong with it haha
@@punusername3445 There's nothing wrong with what I said. You said WoU protects Tooru, which is wrong. I said WoU harms Tooru's pursuers, which is right, and harming pursuers is not equal to protecting Tooru.
Can we get a theory video on if soft and wet: go beyond can hit Giorno with GER?
I think so, since GER shouldn't be able to rtz something that "doesn't exist"
@@seancopeland1037 these powers really do be ridiculous
It would be like a minute long because josuke directly says that go beyond "goes beyond" stand logic. Therefore it goes beyond GER's logic.
@@dallascoggins1534 but ger said himself that he stands above all other stands, which sounds like his ability always takes priority, and yeah he might just be lying but im taking into account arakis vision.
lol no
Fianlly fianlly finally the video has been made
The thing is since calamity n doesn't b instantly kill you, valentine can just keep demention hoping and if he grabs an alt universe tooth, he can bring it directly to him and I don't think the spongification can be altered by calamity so I definitely think d4c could beat wonder of u, especially if he has love train which could just deflect any attack directed at him, and tooth has no access to spin either so he can't use golden rotation like johnny did to kill him
Great video, however, I still think that WoU could beat D4C Love Train, beacause D4C needs to lower the dementional barrier in order to attack. Like for example let's say Valentine gets super close to WoU like Rai did in like chapter 100, like centimeters away, he'd have to open the barrier to attack WoU so that's when I think the calamaty could theoretically strike and injure/possibly one-shot Valentine. Well this is a possability of course, and D4C LT could just switch Valentines before dying infinitelly so they'd be in a stale mate
Love train can just reflect toorus calamities back at him, in theory.
D4C has to exit LT to attack
there's a lot of ways valentine could kill toru without even leaving his dimensional walls like he should be able to bring an alternative dimension version of toru. who he would be able to convince that version of toru to come help him which wouldn't be on a character, considering he convinced Johnny whom he literally killed his best friend and mentor only a few minutes before then, and diego who literally hates his guts so much he was considering leaving him to die
WoU isn't a defensive stand like Love Train or 20th Century Boy, WoU defends it's user by being offensive not by being durable. Valentine could kill Tooru and quickly enter Love Train again to transfer the calamity to someone else
@@Faith_Pride that is true, the only thing that I hesitate on is that in that case, will Valentine have enough time to hide in Love Train, because somethimes the calamaties just seem almost instantanious
Tbh D4C LT vs Wonder of U is either a stalemate or Love Train wins. 1st, Valentine quite literally cannot die and 2, Wonder of U and LT's misfortune would go back and forth like ping pong. There could also be the possibility that Valentine could bring an alternate Tooru to coincide there and bring the 2 together. If Gappy defeated Wonder of U vs non existent bubbles then making Tooru non existent might work as well
Didn't wou can live without tooru?
@@albumkosong so can ger
if Wonder Of U were to team up with D4C:LT, it would just be stupid, if Wonder Of U forced misfortune onto D4C:LT, D4C:LT could push the misfortune onto someone else, it’d be completely chaotic
If d4c stays inside the light, it becomes a “calamity” sprinkler
Oh god that is a nightmare scenario. Literally everyone on earth dies.
@@mitchnewara3229 Not just earth, all living things on the universe and maybe other dimension will die
This made me laugh
If WoU and Base D4C are compared, I would go with WoU. Calamity is a winner here.
Out of WoU and D4C Love Train(D4CLT), D4CLT will be a winner for me. Love Train is broke and will repel all Calamity.
Nice jobs, both of you. Me being a huge JoJo fan, both of your channels are so dope for me.