Nah fr sometimes if I'm not paying attention and one of METAs video plays after Kaleb's I dead don't notice 😂 they have somewhat similar voices or I guess speech pattern?
@@Lazar-TS I didn't say you agreed with the video. All I know is that if you watched the vid, you'd know that Part 3 Dio was ranked high on the tier list
I'm pretty sure I heard the reason Kira stops using SHA in the final fight is because Josuke just has to whack it once and make it completely irrelevant, as exemplified at the end of the SHA arc.
The reason he stopped using it is that it would be less than worthless. If Josuke fought it Yoshikage would have his location revealed. If Okuyasu fought it Kira would just lose a hand.
@@noahabella oh yeah right, I never stopped to think about that, Okuyasu would one shot SHA too... everyone in the duwang gang except Jotaro did, and I bet if jotaro could have a rematch against it without Koichi being there and he already knowing how it works, Jotaro would've absolutely demolished it... Kira stopped using it because the specific group of protagonists he was fightning against all hard-counter his abilities I think if it was against the Part 5 gang he could have a better chance... part 3 gang (the crusaders) probably could defeat it too just because of Avdol
It's like Jogo in JJK. It is comically busted and deffo a top tier. But it just so happened to have the worst matchups. Place SHA in any other part aside from maybe 6 and it wipes out the main chars easily.
Imagine a Stand itself as the main villain, having killed its user. To be honest, that's one of the things that i expected from Tooru, or 2 stand users. Goddamn so much wasted potential🗿
If I'm not mistaken, in one of the Jojonium books, Araki mentioned that if Kars was to learn of Stands, he could create one... Which is scary because we can only imagine how busted his Stand or Stands might be .. let's thank Araki he BFR'd Kars. Permanently.
that's horrifying-imagine if he has like every stand power /in/ him like one of the Ben 10,000s because they're basically their own user which has DNA which etc.
@@kaybee328 Because of that, I think that's why Araki had to use dumb luck against his ego to remove him because if Kars stayed around, then no Stand or their User would like stand against him easily or at all.
That's basically what happens in the Jorge joestar novel, in it he basically has every stand buffed to an absurd degree, i.e. being able to activate BTD and GER at will, while retaining none of the weaknesses that the stands may have had
That's a good point, and iirc it occupies Killer Queen's left hand, so imagine how even more outboxed he'd be by Crazy Diamond. If he could have it deployed concurrently without any drawbacks, it might be a different story. It'd be a useful distraction at least.
Kira is what you gave one of the minor villains with a standard power the big bad role for his part- he’s definitely a lot smarter with his use of it but he’s still not a top-tier threat. He’s used to being a serial killer that uses the element of surprise to get the drop on his enemies. So he’s not used to the unorthodox stand battles that the others are. Which is why a lot of his powers are good at killing those unaware or normal humans but very impractical if you can get past the initial shock.
I also like how all the characters that want to interrogate Kira figure out Kira is related to Hayato on their own, meaning Hayato can play off of the fact that he let information about him slip to make Kira arrogant.
We have to take into account that Kira: a) wanted a quiet life and b) till he found Shigechi, he had no idea that other people could also have stands. Killer Queen had a powerful ability, but Kira never developed beyond that simply because he never found the need to do so.
Kira is my favorite and I'm glad he ranked low. My favorite stand users are 'weak but clever' and while Kira is pretty strong and versatile... over estimating his powers would take away from him just having been really smart in how he used what he had.
Tooru literally has a power to one shot anyone passively- as the slightest inclination about knowing him in your thoughts will kill you and he has ways to make sure you focus on it even if you don’t want to. It becomes clearer and clearer as the fight goes on that it’s not just a jinx power but a metaphysical law of causality he’s using- leading to a Deus Ex machina needed to even weaken him enough for a kill- and even then his Stand still lingers on long enough to be a threat. And the Stand is sentient enough to function without his user and have countermeasures in case his usual powers don’t work. It’s a true hellish struggle just to get that one blow to kill him as anything else would be rendered ineffective. Part 9 is going to have a momentous effort to come up with something even more powerful and live up to.
so far we had villains with abilities that work within logic or in case of WoU an ability that controls logic, so I believe to top that the next villain would need to have an ability that goes beyond logic, somethin like S&WGB
@vominomi I can totally agree with this statement despite the fact it would be cool to see a stronger ability than wonder of u but that's just my opinion
Kars was initially implied to be weaker than Wamuu as the former’s blades while skilled were not as powerful as the latter’s finishing move and makes up for it by being very intelligent long term. Kars then more than makes up for it by becoming the ultimate life form- not only gaining the top stats and the abilities of every earth animal to exist- but he gains a superior version of his kind’s weakness to exploit it on his enemies. If he were around the time Stands become more prominent, he’d easily have a very broken one- which is explored to ridiculous lengths in the Jorge novel. Thankfully, blind luck manages to literally blast him out of the story to make him a floating rock that went braindead after going insane from the isolation of space. He’s the top of the earthly forces as the remaining three are truly metaphysical and/or literally godlike in nature.
@@JudgeHoldenUwU 🤓Actually if you were a real jojo fan you would know that light novel kars was able to adapt his body and had up to seven stands at once + could adapt to Requiem and further (due to stronger dosage of the virus arrow) 🤓
I am currently half way through part 8 and have loved it so far. It's weird to think people don't like this part, although I heard that it was the ending that people don't like
The thing about sheer heart attack is that almost all of the morioh warriors counters it. Okuyasu could just erase it, joskue can send it back to kira’s hand, koichi can use 3 freeze or act 2, and jotaro can time stop and light something on fire like we see in the original heart attack fight. Rohan is basically the only one that can’t do anything against it (assuming he isn’t able to do something like write “I am not the hottest thing in the area” or something like that)
Lighting a fire and freezing aren't a counter to SHA, They are just momentary halts that can be easily overcome as we saw happen in the series. Those two weren't able to defeat SHA. Jotaro and Koichi were both beaten by SHA
@@chinyereugwu9431 Jotaro could just throw SHA away from him forever and stop time when it approaches as he has at the beginning of the fight, he only ever lit a fire to save Koichi. Jotaro didn't have a problem with SHA he just couldn't beat it, but he wasn't in any danger.
I don't think any part until this point has felt more like Araki writing himself to a corner. There were hints at part 3 that Jotaro could have time manipulation and in part 5 it was clear that whoever gets completed requiem will get some crazy hax ability but Soft and Wet having having perfect hard counter for universal ability all this time really came out of nowhere. Also considering the nature of Jodio's stand I don't know how villain he's able to defeat could realistically be anywhere near part 7 and 8. At the very least he needs to get some crazy power up so that there's any point to introducing villain of that scale.
Diavolo can spam time erase just how he did it with every step he took while getting to trish in the elevator, meaning he can become intangible whenever he wants and literally can counter time stop, has epitaph which is pretty self explanatory of why he should be higher.
Theoretically he still loses, you can't erase time when it's stopped on account of not being capable of thought or recognition of time being stopped. Which means if he doesn't make the very first move he gets one shotted by any time stopper. The second issue: King Crimson is so much slower than Star Platinum and The World that they could instantly block his attacks out of erased time. It'd be like a snail teleporting behind you and trying to reach you, you're easily fast enough to realize it's there, look at it, and move away from it before it can actually do anything. Epitaph doesn't help either, if you know a beam of light is coming towards you a few seconds ahead of time you're still too slow to do anything about it, knowing an attack you can't dodge is coming doesn't change the fact that you can't dodge it. Seeing the future doesn't give you the power to change it, and knowing an attack is coming doesn't make you fast enough to avoid it. He just lacks the raw speed and power to be competitive with the others.
@@EnbyOccultist dude epitaph is able to see even in time is erased why can't epitaph do it in time only pause for few sec. You see in Jojo it doesn't matter if you have timestop as long as your enemy is also time related stand they can pretty much counter it even just by being conscious like they were able to avoid fatal attack like Pucci and Jotaro. What more to someone who is able to see future and use it where time doesn't exist.
@@EnbyOccultist King Crimson is a perfect ability for anyone who wants to be a cryptic assassin who can kill without any trace. The ability to see absolute future and determine what moments of those future you will delete and what you will left behind as a result by erasing time. If he see a future where it is undesirable he will just erase time move to favorable position be 10 sec exempted to fate. And if the future is favorable to him he will just erase time of those process and leave the luckiest result for him so he doesn't have to wait for and leave any evidence cause even if he didn't move fate itself will do the work for him. Like him in Elevator scene he erase the moments he confront them and leave the result of him having Trish. The only problem I can see to KC is it needs a certain range to do his deathchop attack to successfully kill its opponent without being recognized that they are being attack. So if his enemy have an ability to kill someone that gets too close like Rissotto or Tooru then it suck cause he can only attack after those 10 sec of erased time, so that 1 sec attacks needs to be instantaneous as much as possible only fraction of sec before the enemy realize that he was being attacked. And don't forget he can also confused his enemy by projecting their future using epitaph. Diavolo has a high chance against 95% of stand users. Remember that all villains are blessed by fate itself cause time = fate in Jojo. And an ability to remove yourself from fate in Jojo is so busted you can see the future and also unravel your enemy stand ability by observing their action in erased time for another 10 sec while you are the only one who can move freely while the rest are moving to their predetermined actions are nuts. Especially if he use this in more of 1v 1 style and assasination style, in part 5 no one really can go against him 1 on 1, he was pursued by gang and still able to kill 3 of them and in final battle Fate still favors him because he is destined to donut Giorno and it is truth according to GER himself but GER is such a dues ex machina it is also free from fate allowing it to move in erased time and its ability to turn tho 4:22 se undesirable fate for Giorno into null.
I feel like, if Part 3 Dio still had access to some of the wilder vampiric abilities he had in Part 1, he'd automatically be a lot higher. In particular, Space Ripper Stingy Eyes could easily cover for the one major weakness of The World; that being his limited range.
None of those abilities would help him against anyone above him on the list. Funny Valentine is immune to all damage except spin based attacks, Pucci is much faster than Dio and can perceive stopped time (although he can not move in it), and Tooru has WoU enough said. Even with those abilities he wouldn't even be able to beat Ultimate Kars because piller men are naturally superior to vampires and Ultimate Kars is a piller man (and all of life) on steroids. Edit: Dio's knives pretty much served the purpose of Space Ripper Stingy Eyes and he still couldn't beat Jotaro due to his over confidence.
@@woomyboy98 I didn't say otherwise though? I'm just saying it'd make him stronger than he is as-is, not necessarily stronger than the others on the tier list. Due apologies for the poor wording.
In the Over Heaven novel (which is not canon), he says that those abilities would be useless in a fight between stands. But his "laser" eyes surely would have cut both Jotaro and Star Platinum in half if he had used it.
Another thing is that it is always forgotten that Diavolo is able to move around his soul independently somehow. Just some food for thought for an extra power
The worst part about WoU is that it doesn't even need "intention" behind it. Essentially if you have ANY form of "pursuing" the head doctor/Tooru, it affects you. This means that EVEN THINKING about who the head doctor might be, even a glancing thought will have you attacked by WoU with instantaneous velocity and expeditious intention Personally I still think that MiH is the most broken stand WHEN PAIRED WITH THE USER. People aren't understanding fully how smart Pucci is. He out-brained Jotaro and the entire part 6 cast at the same time on the go, no prep time. I feel that Puccis IQ can easily bring him a win against D4C:LT and even WoU
@@AugustusOctavian843 MiH vs D4C:LT, if Valentine leaves LT at all, he dies. So it's either a stalemate or a win for Pucci as he won't attack the literal wall of infinite luck MiH vs WoU, Pucci can just pursue the Head Doctor. Infinite speed+infinite reactions, it really depends on when Pucci realises that the damage from calamities is amplified, which won't take long for him to figure out. Beating Tooru is tough as even attacking him would be hard (he will hide like a smart pussy) but then Pucci can just wait. Yes he's a rock human BUT he also has a persona to uphold, so he can't stay in 1 location eternally. And I doubt that it will take long or any real effort for Pucci to find an area where calamity cannot indirectly attack him, so he has time to avoid it. I mean he literally found a way to achieve heaven based off of cryptic sentences left by a vampire I think he will easily be able to outsmart Valentine and Tooru easily
@@lolno6975 The problem this logic is that another Valentine will take the first Valentine place, what stopping Valentine from calling in a another Pucci, Pucci when fighting WOU should get killed because the calamities speed is also increased, and Tooru is not the one Pucci should be worrying about it should instead be WOU itself.
I'd like to imagine that Wonder of U would just make Lovetrain's effect redirect the misfortune... to Valentine. So of all the times and places the damage *could* go... it just goes to Valentine anyways, due to the logic of calamity.
The whole point of light barrier is redirecting misfortune, but since Tooru's stand defied any logic, the whole calamity would just moving around and accumulating. I can imagine Valentine could survive as long as he is activating light barrier, once he shut it down the whole calamity that accumulated will one shot him. A single dust powered by accumulated calamity could enter his nose and obliterated Valentine's lung from inside.
Yeah, it's comparison between stand who merely taps into that primordial force and stand that is the very embodiment of it. One can only control it to very limited degree, the other has full control of it.
Stands are not of an alien origin. The virus that brings out stands is, but stands themselves are part of a person's spirit, and we do know some (like Anubis) that existed long before the asteroid. So ULF Kars should technically be able to match and surpass every stand ability ever, scaling him above every single character in the franchise.
Yeah, The Reason Araki gives us that explanation in Part 5 wasn't to explain stands but to Explain the Arrows, stands existed since the start of the universe
@@Tomy-om9rs why would we need to know this?? No it was to explain where the arrows came from because if he left it ambiguous people would have questions
@@Wezlii530 He would know they're there, he can sense the movement of all air molecules around him. He would be able to see the stands outline as it displaces air and go, "Ah, there is a thing there that normal mundane senses can't detect, I must evolve to account for this immediately." He would also know it's there when an invisible fist starts bouncing off of him like a moth hitting a light bulb. He doesn't even *need* to deal with the stand, he can just turn into a swarm of billions of carnivorous, venomous insects and cover every inch of his opponent. Unless he's fighting Vanilla Ice a stand isn't going to save you from billions of insects crawling into your skin and lungs.
Pucci likely beats all but the the top spot due to his raw speed. Even in the case of Funny, he can just leave and come back when he least expects it, his barrier isn't something passively active 24/7. Also, due to the way energy works, infinite speed means infinite AP if used correctly.
im pretty sure it doesn't work like that. Tusk act 4 has infinite everything. Strength, Speed, Force, etc his attacks even last forever while pucci just moves fast. Tusk act 4 is a straight up infinite constant of infinite strength. Pucci can't replicate that.
One problem, Pucci himself holds his stand back. He can't think anywhere near as fast as his stand moves and has to work around that with clever planning. You don't have to beat his stand, you just have to exploit the weakness of a mundane human.
@@sirjoesphjoestar8361 Yes he does. If he has Infinite speed than he has Infinite force therfore striking strength. If you wanna be specific than no he doesn't but effectively he does. I never said Pucci had Infinite anything.
22:30 Kira accidentally cuts his finger with a butter knife while making breakfast while thinking of a way to approach the head doctor and splits in half like Katana Man
Lmao, so Kira has a whole has monologue about how he's better then realises he has been been cut. I love how long it took for Katana Man to be cut after his clash.
Araki didn't really throw damage reflection off to the side so much as he used its existence to force him to write villains that would fight Giorno through indirect methods, from AoE attacks like White Album or Green Day to non-damaging attacks like Baby Face or Man in the Mirror, to stealthy attacks like Soft Machine or Clash. It was less a power of Gold Experience and more a writing constraint of Golden Wind.
Yeah, same with the life shot ability. It became pretty much useless against most enemies Giorno faced either because they couldn't be hit directly (White Album, Oasis), were stand beings (Babyface, Black Sabbath, Notorious B.I.G.), managed to incapacitate Giorno first (Clash and Talking head) or were straight up not close enough to be hit directly until the fight was over (Green Day, Man in the mirror, also Clash and Talking head)
@@thanatoast Also Life Shot was the final attack Giorno used. Gold Experience Requiem upgraded Life Shot to the point that it makes the victim's mind experience infinite time within the span of a single beatdown.
Except that idea is out the window because if he just wore a, lets just say plain white T and pants, under his normal shirt and pants and turned that shirt into vines, then any attack done on him would bounce back to the attacker. Granted this would not work against White Ice but it would against enemy like Crush, that bit him in the neck which would be a part of the defence if he was smart, Green Day, that struck his body when they fought in person, Baby Face, if he struck anywhere on his body which he did during his fight, and probably other fights that this would apply. TBH part 5 is probably the worst part of JoJo, in terms of story, I have seen, but it has some of the best powers in the entire series, and characters that I have seen.
@@spencerstrunk6819 Again, damage reflection wouldn't have been optimal for any of those fights. Baby Face never actually injured Giorno, he just turned Giorno's body parts into objects, such an "attack" wouldn't trigger damage reflection. Green Day is a colony stand, damage dealt to colony stands doesn't reflect damage back on their user, as seen with Bad Company, Harvest, etc. Clash is the one enemy where using damage redirection would work, but that'd mean that Talking Head's user would get away. Giorno wanted to take both of them out, and he acted accordingly.
D4C Is honestly my favorite stand in the entire franchise, you can do so many cool things with it and it's debut chapters STILL confuse me to this day even though I know how it works. I love it's design, and I can't wait to see how it's animated.
honest I don't really get it myself. it just kinda seems like he can go to other universes and swap lives with them? like it kinda sucks from my opinion, but everyone says it's awesome. so, I guess I don't understand it?
@@kaybee328 if you're smart you're essentially invincible, immortal, and I think being able to have an ability that's trans dimensional is just incredible.
Post Phantom Blood DIO has the benefits of both being a powerful vampire and having a Stand that is physically strong and has a potentially infinite amount of time stopping potential with no actual drawbacks that matter- which gives him a massive advantage over most Stand users. He falters due to himself ironically enough- never truly outgrowing his hubris that does him in- even as a literal physical god in a hypothetical game scenario. He’s very strong but his competition is the ultimate life form that he’s normally inferior against even when that individual was in his base power and people with truly metaphysical powers.
The way i view Killer Queen is that he less-so makes "explosions", but rather implodes the opponent with a bomb-like effect. In this case, the 1st bomb would be an implosion (such as Shigekiyo dying without anybody noticing) and the 2nd bomb would be a more traditional explosion. I feel like this explains why he doesn't just start throwing many objects at people, though midway through writing this I do remember the coin bomb so im kinda regretting writing all this
Tbh, it is important to mention that when comparing the villains - you have to take in consideration, that if they were in the same situation and timeline - they all would act and adapt differently. In a world organised by stand users - DIO would activate The World earlier, making part 1 DIO almost the same as part 3 DIO (kinda making his entry on this list irrelevant, aside obviously just the sake of covering representative from each part). Kars as ultimate being - most likely would be able to adapt and create universal stand that adapts to the opponent. Mind you - stands can appear in people with extreme skills (like the chief from part 4 or Rohan). Kars being an ultimate being wouldn't be different. I mean he has been kinda predicting Joseph at the end - kinda mirroring the baby abilities of Hermit Purple. If Araki would ever bring Kars back - I wouldn't be suprised, if Kars didnt get a stand that can use any stand abilities or stand that can change it's abilities depending on the situation and opponent. And this way you could easily make him the strongest villain. But that probably also applies to any of the other villains or at least most of them. The main threat to their power making them evolve, ultimately all of them only losing to the fact that Fate prefers good over evil.
Enjoyed this video overall, But personally I feel like Love train's ability to deflect "Misfortune" Would apply to the flow of calamity as well. You mention a pebble already in the barrier, but the objects being "Knocked into" aren't what cause the damage, its the Flow of Calamity interacting with them. So if the pebble is in the barrier calamity couldn't get in. But I've only read parts 7 & 8 once each so I'm sure there's plenty I could be missing.
D4c needs to leave to attack. As soon as funny valentine puts his revolver out to shoot, the revolver explodes due to a malfunction and his whole arm is gone
If it takes infinite attack energy to attack love train, pucci should teoretically be able to do it, because he has infinite speed and force = mass * aceleration, if he punches valentine it would be an attack with infinite force, and force creates ennergy. Sorry for bad english for I am a Portuguese native speaker
His "speed" isn't really speed, it's more like slowing down his opponents through time manipulation. Same reason time stop doesn't give Dio or Jotaro infinite attack power, because they're not really moving faster just slowing everything else down.
@@saucevc8353it literally is speed, manipulating through acceleration of basically all inanimate objects. No one is being slowed down they are just stuck at a constant while he and everything else gets faster
@@justtony3108 He's not increasing their actual speed, but the speed they move through time. Simply increasing velocity doesn't make food rot faster or ink dry faster, and if the Earth itself really was spinning that fast so that the days lasted milliseconds, it would break apart completely.
How WOU vs any character would go: Char: think about wou Wou: ok soo you inhaled a dust particle, now I will break all of your bones and give you a heamorhage
20:01 I did not realize until this exact moment but Wonder of you and bites the dust have similar ideas around them. In part 4 its "if they find out my identity they will explode and always explode" and for part 8 it's "if they want to know my identity they are doomed to death"
Yoshikage Kira is hesitant to use his Stand ability in a maximal way because he's trying to stay low and has been doing so for so long that he can't actually think ambitiously. Man is single goal oriented.
The worst part about tooru is even if you manage to hurt/kill him it still triggers a Insta kill Both Kei & Kaato were dead before they even realized it
I think what holds Kira back is out of all these stand users and really villians in general he's the least experienced, he didn't even know that stands were called stands, nor did he ever fight anyone remotely close to his level up until he was fighting with people stronger than him like Jotaro and Josuke
All the villains have some broken stats here and there but the Wonder of U was the first antagonist in any Jojo for me where I thought, this isn’t even fun because he’s that untouchable. Not sure how part 9’s antagonist will rival if not surpass that.
New/SBR universe works on the idea of Feng Shui. Positive and negative energy, constantly moving, constantly shifting. Positive energy brings good fortune, negative energy brings misfortune/disaster/calamity. D4C Love Train and Wonder of U are polar opposites, in that one manipulates positive energy while the other manipulates negative energy. Following the example on the video, an attack against D4C Love Train is seen as negative, and thus is repelled away. As for Wonder of U, what it actually does is directly manipulate probability, as in, once you become its target it shifts the flow of negative energy so that disasters/calamities start hitting you. With all that said, what I want to get at is that, even thought it is so damn busted, Wonder of U wouldn't do a damn thing to D4C Love Train, because D4C Love Train is literally immune to its ability.
The fight would last until the entire population of earth dies then Valentine would end up dead,tbh the fight could probably be endless if he just kept spawning more versions of himself
I think the problem with Kars is the fact that he physically surpasses stand users and after his first encounter with one would always just rush them before they can use their abilities, so unless you're talking about specific stands using BS (like instant death if someone sees your back) then he's uncontested.
Thank you for not just saying diavolo erases time because it's so much more complicated yet most jojo fans don't take time to explain how it works. I really appreciate it man. as for my favorite of the JoJo villains thus far it's funny valentine I really enjoyed the wacky things he pulls off with d4c
I feel like there isn't really a scenario where made in heaven loses to D4C love train it's visually relatively obvious that love train barrier is generated by Lucy steel so poochie very likely will try to carry her away or kill her or destroy her or whatever but even if he didn't think of that D4C usually leaves the barrier to attack his opponents at which point he becomes vulnerable and Pucci would likely kill him.
6:53 It's true there are a lot of cases where a ability is kind of forgot, But in kira's favor the only fight he has after his encounter with jotaro and koichi, was with josuke and remembering josuke can just punch Sheer Hear Attack away and send It back to Kira would just make It useless
@Jan Stefaniuk Here's the way to think about the damage reflection. It is not designed to be a suprise win condition, it is designed so other stand users can't counter gold experience by just punching what he creates. It isn't that the ability is unused, it's that enemy stand users don't attack his lifeforms and thus don't suffer the effects. It wasn't used later because ending every fight with "and the other person died because giorno lifted a spider in the way of the attack" could very easily be boring. The ability is best viewed as a wrinkle that forces enemies to deal with Giorno without just attacking his creations. The anime itself has an error (not found in the manga) where Diavolo stomps on a scorpion made by gold experience and isn't hurt, but the manga shows him removing the scorpion without hurting it. The storyboarder seems to have forgotten, but the author did not.
AP: Multiversal for Tooru, I would say in terms of the potency he has logic on his side which is at least universal potency but attack power he’s possibly the weakest
I don't think people fully understand WoU. In my interpretation, calamity is more of a destiny thing than a "what if it can't hit you?". We've seen it turn rain into deadly droplets. It manipulates destiny in a way that you can't attack it, even if you're like, invulnerable. In that case I imagine you would likely trip or something that would prevent you from attacking him
You also have to think that made in heaven still has a high development potential. So if he had more time to develop then he could potentially be higher
About the Jotaro One-Shot with Pucci His Ap shouldn't matter, since most of his attacks negate normal durability (F=M×A) and since Pucci has infinite/immeasurable speed... well, you probbably understood what i'm tryna say He is probbably between Large Building to City Level in terms of AP (Going by basic logic that "A" Stats could be Large City to Large Mountain. But it's just my own speculation about the stats, don't count on it too much since Kiss also has "A" Stats and isn't as nearly as strong as the stats show.)
One of the things I thought about toward the end of Jojolion is how, given Diavolo's nature and obsession to hide his identity, if he had Wonder of U he would've been impossible to beat - but he also would probably have a much harder time being a mob boss since I don't think Wonder of U would protect his own people.
7:05 The real reason Kira don't use Sheer heart attack it's because Josuke counter it like we saw after the fight betwenn Koichi e Jotaro vs Kira so when he it's fighting Josuke Sheer heart attack it's completely useless
Alternatively: Kars charges at WoU and, due to a guy deciding to turn left 2000 years ago whose choice was influenced by WoU) Funny Valentine appears and drops a clueless Joseph Joestar in the battle who ends up volcano-ing Kars. Again.
Sometimes I wonder if Wonder of U could be destroyed if something more powerful than it (somehow) "accidentally" destroyed it without even thinking of them. You know what I mean? Like, if a stand accidentally sent a beam that kills everything in it destroyed one character and nicked Wonder of U, and it dies, would that immediately enact calamity, or since the stronger thing never even thought about Wonder of U being there, would there be no penalty for destroying it?
i think WoU is less of a metaphysical stand and more of a psychological stand. if you aren’t thinking about the head doctor, tooru, or any of tooru’s goals, you could possibly attack it. i think this is proven by mamezuku’s and kaato’s attacks. kaato drops space trucking’s cards with no intention of killing tooru, since proper use of her stand doesn’t kill things. mamezuku manages to cross the ceiling towards the head doctor by clearing his mind/only seeking to help josuke (?) it would be a very weird ending to part 8, but i’ve thought about “non-BS” win conditions in part 8, and have come up with a possible alternative to ‘soft and wet: go beyond.’ josuke deliberately loses games to daiya until he has no clue about tooru, the head doctor or the rokakaka, and is then told to launch an explosive into the woods. it might work. i’m pretty sure an automatic stand would beat tooru as long as it was activated before the user knew about him also, i think tooru could be beaten if you forced him to be on the offensive. you can’t steal the rokakaka from him, but if he’s trying to chase you and take it from you, he’s powerless, so long as you don’t understand that he is following you. this might require memory loss, and daiya might be harmed while playing the games with josuke (and whoever orders josuke to throw the bomb in the woods might be harmed)
Vento Aureo is a very symbologically loaded part and you can't do its thematics justice with only a few words: Many different characters spiral into their own arcs that are tied to the overarching themes, but what makes it all the more special is how these characters' arcs interact with one other. To grossly oversimplify, though, it could be said that Vento Aureo is about self-acceptance, unwavering determination in the face of even inevitable destiny, and the extent of the power of the indomitable human spirit. It's a tale of Human V Destiny: How the human nature and our capacity to dream, love, and hold within ourselves an extraordinarily intense willpower can overcome even the inevitable forces of Destiny that work against us. But for all that that's worth, though, you can't do that unless you're determined to. And you can't be determined to do any of that if you don't believe in yourself, if you don't love yourself: Someone who doesn't accept themselves and doesn't believe in themselves will falter and fail in the face of a challange such as breaking the order of Fate. Across Vento Aureo much of the journeys of the gang focus on their own self-acceptance, and the power it unlocks within them: Narancia's betrayal of the Boss was only possible because of the love for himself that Bucciarati cultivated within him, Trish only unlocked her true potential after facing her fears and conquering her weaker self in the Notorious B.I.G. fight, etc. But, on the other side of the picture, we have Diavolo. Diavolo's actions aren't a result of him wanting to overcome himself. And never does he intend to overcome Destiny. No, Diavolo enforces Destiny, because Diavolo is Destiny. Destiny is always on Diavolo's side: That's a core concept of his character. He is the force of destiny, and we know that because even at the very end, even as Giorno unlocked Gold Experience Requiem and the power of the Removal of Effect, Epitaph still foretold Giorno's death. Epitaph's predictions are always right: It's the force of destiny. And what we see through Epitaph is Diavolo's victory. Destiny still on the side of Diavolo to the very last moment. It was only through the combined dreams and willpowers of the whole gang, manifested in the Arrow that was delivered to Giorno and in Gold Experience Requiem's power to overcome even the inevitable forces of destiny, that Diavolo could finally be defeated. But it doesn't end there: Before this battle, what was Diavolo even trying to do? With his concealment, with his erasure of every trace if his identity? With his desire to kill Trish? The whole time, Diavolo was fleeing from his past. He was fleeing from his identity. Diavolo's entire character revolves around this obsession with erasing and destroying his past so that it may never come to haunt him: That's why he kept trying to hide, and destroy his identity, and even kill Trish, the only link to his past that was still around after his crusade against himself Now, flashback to earlier in this comment: The gang spent their whole journey conquering themselves, facing their pasts, accepting themselves, because that's the foundation for the power of Human Resolve: Self-acceptance. Self-love. Diavolo, though, rejected himself: He spent his whole life trying to get rid of his past, ensuring none of it could ever come back to haunt him ever again: He ignored the truth of the world, avoided it altogether in his attempt to be perfect in his eyes. And that led to his defeat. Remember what Giorno said immediatelly after unlocking GER? "The only thing that will survive is the truth of this world. Righteous actions born of truth shall never be destroyed". This is what he was talking about: That which is done whole-heartedly, abiding by the truth of who and what you are, will never be destroyed, even if you die: Bucciarati, Narancia, Abbachio, they may have all died, but what they did, they did from the bottom of their hearts, respecting and never straying from their flawed human nature. And it was their acceptance of their flaws, their respect for their past failures, that made their actions result in the victory of Giorno. But Diavolo? Diavolo spent his entire life running from himself, rejecting himself: He spent his whole life rejecting his past failures and his flawed human nature, and thus his actions were not born of truth. That is why he failed: Because even if Destiny is by your side, even if you embody the forces of Fate, even if the world itself chooses you to stand tall above all others, nothing can win against the force of the indomitable human spirit. It goes even farther: For example, Diavolo, to enforce his control over the gang, to enforce his reign of terror, he enforced precisely that: Terror. Diavolo spent his time as head of Passione enforcing stagnation and repetition. When Diavolo was boss, he kept the exact same status quo in place for as long as he could: A secret identity, a very specific way of operating, and a reign of terror over Passione. You can even find this reflected in Bucciarati's character: When Bucciarati died, he told Giorno that "his soul had been fated to slowly die, but it was reborn" when he met Giorno. His soul had been fated to die (literally: Rolling Stones foretold Bucciarati's death in Venice until Mista broke fate with his resolve, but that's another even longer story) because he was too terrified of the prospect of rebellion against the Boss to actually do anything about the drug trade he despised. He, along with everyone in the gang, hated the way Passione was running things, but none dared to do anything about it. They were doomed to repeat that cycle of endless dismay and inaction forever. Diavolo's law of repetition seeping into their very souls. That is, until Giorno came along. Giorno may not be a leader: That role was Bucciarati's. But what Giorno was is the spark that lit their flaming hearts. Giorno's character is centered around innovation, rebellion, and revolt against the status quo: He also hated the drug trade (to children at least), but whereas the gang was too terrified to do anything, Giorno planned to face it head on, no matter what. Why Giorno was capable of this is down to his inheritance and the fact that he was a child of both Dio and Johnathan, but the fact of the matter is, he was, and he did. And Giorno's unwavering resolve was what brought the gang on their journey: It was Giorno who lit the spark of hope of willpower within Bucciarati. It was Giorno who inspired Bucciarati's decaying soul to take a stand against Diavolo. It was Giorno who tied the resolves of the entire gang together: It was Giorno who awoke the Sleeping Slaves of the gang, and brought them to break Fate. Giorno and Diavolo share a duality in that Giorno is the embodiment of change and rebellion, whereas Diavolo is the embodiment of stagnation and repetition. Diavolo's insidious hand was withering the souls of the gang away, and only Giorno's nature as an indomitable force of rebellion could change that.
Yoshikage Kira has no business fighting and can't defend himself, but this kinda made him the most interesting villain for me. Other than being a murderous psychopath, he was just like any other person, dealing with life's circumstances. He was constantly fighting against misfortune and stress like the human being he is.
When you made the distinction between attack and speed energy, you have to remember that kinetic energy is mass times speed, kinetic energy being basically attack energy. So you could argue that Pucci has theoretically infinite attack potency, there's nothing in part 6 that would contradict that
the only thing i could say about Kars is that he could maybe become a stone human, because technically they are an species of animal on earth, which could unlock a whole new set of possibilities
rock humans are silicon-based which might prevent him from becoming one. i don’t think rock humans would offer any advantages not provided by other animals
Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't pucci also stop or slow down time if he wanted? it just wasn't necessary for his goal at the time. Also, king crimson has some terrible durability feats and average ap feats. He is only ever shown donuting people off guard, which josuke can do casually, except he's never shown that he can do a punch rush like CD or SP. And when GER was punching king crimson, it was falling apart while diavolo was barely bleeding.
True. While Stands stats can't be taken too seriously, King Crimson had a Durability of E, which is the lowest you could get. Perhaps that's why he attacks from behind and after using Time Skip, since he wouldn't last long in a regular fight.
@@lisboah yeah, they are kinda a joke know, but I like to see king crimson's weak durability as representative of diavolo's fragile mind and snapping when he's caught of guard.
This is wrong on multiple levels. 1st of all: There's no such as a durability stat in Jojo. The actual stat that is being measured is the Stand's persistance, which refers to how much a Stand can use it's ability without getting drained. 2nd of all: Claiming that KC has bad durability feats is blatantly wrong. King Crimson has canonically been attacked two times in this series. The first time, he received an elbow strike by Sticky Fingers, in which he tanked the hit like nothing. The second time was against GER, where King Crimson received a punch barrage from it. As we saw earlier, GER's mere *flick* from it was enough to collspse *an entire pillar.* Logically, a punch barrage should be much, much, MUCH more damaging than that. Yet guess what? *King Crimson tanks the majority of that punch barrage and is still able to stand.* So now, i'll ask you a sincere question: If King Crimson is that much brittle as you're making it out to be, then how the fuck is this scene even possible? Therefore, i hereby claim that the quote "King Crimson has terrible durability" is absolute and utter *bullshit.*
@@Wattson19 Firstly, I never talked about the stand stat's durability/persistence. Second, the only reason he's left standing is because he has the death loop, so him surviving the punch barrage isn't a durability feat at all. Also GER didn't physically flick the stone, it used telekinesis to shoot it. That's like saying because Tatsumaki can casually throw buildings her punches are building+ level.
You say you are looking at a in-character scale of them rather than a raw power scale, and then you proceed to put Diavolo in low B simply because we "dont have enough stats". He has two VERY powerful abilites which compliment each other even better. He is a very cautious, smart and skilled fighter. I'd like to point out that he beat he part 5 protagonists team in the battle of who reaches the arrow first. He ONLY lost because the arrow didnt find him worthy, and thus Giorno got the requiem AFTER Diavolo had already pierced KC with the arrow. We established that he is massively faster then the speed of light, he can chop people in half with one punch and also punch a hole through their body with one punch. Since he also has an A in destructive power he must be slightly below star platinum in terms of strength. Diavolo should be placed higher.
Question about Pucci's attack potency. Couldn't he theoretically have infinite momentum based power since he has infinite speed? Also, how would it interact with D4C Love Train? I assume getting killed and then reincarnated is a misfortune, but I could be wrong.
For the record I think that Johnny could body Tooru too. Since Soft and Wet: Go Beyond is essentially baby Tusk: Act 4 with far more ammo that Josuke can't aim. Infinite spin techniques in general are methods to defeat Wonder of U I believe. The infinite attack power they provide seems to exist above time and space universally: Ball breaker, tusk, go beyond etc.
can johnny launch a infinite spin before calamity reaches him? His infinite spin exists, the reason go beyond works is because it doesn't exist, so calamity doesn't effect it.
@@ProjektTaku I would say no. Johnny can certainly still succumb to calamity. He has a perfect attack but he's definitely not perfect in every way. However wouldn't the same be true for Josuke? We've seen that he's still able to be killed by calamity too despite Go Beyond. He was emitting the transcendent bubbles even before he got a grasp on them and was still getting bombarded with misfortune. Unless you're saying Tusk Act 4 itself will be effected by Wonder of U in which case I'm not so sure.
@@blues4509 yes, josuke is affected, but his bubbles aren't, so when he tries to attack with the bubbles (which he can basically instantly send out), it bypasses calamity, which wouldn't happen with tusk act 4's infinite spin, especially since it requires a lot of circumstances and prep, which WOU wouldn't allow.
@@blues4509 When reading JoJolion a second time, I then realized that Johnny's death may have been a result of a calamity. Even though Tooru or Wonder of U weren't initially shown in the story, it doesn't mean that their influence wasn't existent. It was states in the manga that "All events are consolidating to this man." which is basically a heads up that Tooru was literally responsible for all the negative events occurring in JoJolion and even Steel Ball run. Also, Johnny's spin is very much existent, and the only reason Soft adn Wet: Go Beyond was able to bypass Tooru's calamity ability was due to the fact that is simultaneously didn't exist and existed at the same time. Imagine a "Go-Beyond" bubble as a one dimensional singularity point vibrating in space-time, making the illusion of a sphere. Singularity points in a one-dimensional space-time are completely immovable, in theoretical physics. Soft and Wet: Go Beyond's ability was inspired by string theory and one-dimensional singularity points. (If you still think that Johnny can beat Tooru in a stand fight after reading this comment, then you're in some Johnny-love-fantasy.)
If I recall correctly, it was established that each of Killer Queen's abilities is tied to a different hand. Bomb transmutation for his right, and Sheer Heart Attack for his left. After obtaining Bites the Dust, the hand that corresponded to SHA prior was visually conveyed to now correspond to BtD. Assuming my memory is correct, this could imply that BtD actually replaced SHA when he received a secondary dose of stand arrow.
I'm pretty sure he still has SHA, but, hard to tell since, y'know... it's useless, and never had a chance to use it when he was Kosaku. In the Manga it was stated that "SHA would be useless against Josuke" during the final battle, which at least to me implies that he still has it.
@@mrfact03s There’s nothing that actually states that directly. Considering all the instances in which characters have gotten stand upgrades with abilities that didn’t seem to carry over, it’s more a general rule of thumb than it is an actual consistent thing.
It's stated in the Manga during a foot note, but Kira doesn't use SHA because Josuke can just revert it with a single punch and send it to his hand, so if he wasn't fighting Josuke at the end he probably would have used it.
13:48 Ok so I know it’s not cannon but in Jorge joestar, Kars not only copy’s stands by figuring them out, he also ultimates them, so for example the world turns in the the world ultimate which can freeze time for over an hour
I find nothing interesting or likeable about him. Every other JoJo made a better first impression on me. I'd have to see some real heroics that the Mainline JoJo's had to really overhaul my opinion of him. Dude's a lil hood rat and straight up sells drugs to kids. I mean, Giorno was a legitimate career criminal but at least he had a moral standing.
13:37 Stands are not of alien origin, but the virus that can force a stand activation is of alien origin. Stands are a reflection of the user's spirit, and can occur with no outside intervention at all, and can form either natively, or as the culmination of a life's discipline, etc.
Hey Metas, how do you think King Crimson's Epitaph and Time Erasure/Skip would interact with Bites the Dust? Or really any of the time based abilities for that matter (The World and Stat Platinum's Time Stop or Made in Heaven's Time Acceleration)? Like, could Diavolo skip time being reset by Bites the Dust with King Crimson and just continue it as if Bites the Dust was never activated? And could Star Platinum or The World stop time before Bites the Dust goes off (in Part 4, Jotaro never knew the ability existed, so he probably never thought to try it) if they knew about the ability? And could Made in Heaven just accelerate through Bites the Dust reseting time, or would it just be set back regardless of how fast it's accelerated time?
It will be very difficult to determine but if Diavolo got successfully subjected to BTD Diavolo will realize it with the help of Epitaph on when the exact moments of time he will need to skip to avoid fate of being in loop. Like imagine if the kid(forgot the name) have this kind of ability, he can easily bypass the loop of BTD he is on to and erase that destined second that he explode rendering the rewind useless cause that what really KC stands for to have freedom over fate and fate = time in jojo so.
In terms of Vampire Strength, it is somewhat detailed within part 2 before Santana's awakening and detailing how he shouldn't be able to escape from that N*zi prison. At least in the VIZ translation: "According to Speedwagon...humans who wear the Stone Mask have their jumping ability increased to 5/8 meters, their punching power goes to 2000-4000 km/cm^2 and their leg strength increased 3 fold. Basically enough to destroy a 4 cm steel wall." Perhaps a bit of a lowball but it's a more specific measurement at least lol.
The only part where I think you're wrong is in Toru's stats. In terms of strength and speed and resistance Toru is actually probably the weakest villain. The thing is Wonder of U doesn't give a crap about stats.
6:56 there is no point during part 4 were kira had the need for sheer heart attack after it’s arc. He doesn’t right anyone until bites the dust, in which it’s much more powerful then sheer heart attack, and then fights Josuke who is a perfect counter to sheer heart attack. The only part where you could argue he should’ve used it was in the fight against stray cat.
D4C love train misfortune redirection applies to attacks funny valentine makes as well, he scratches your finger? nah that is on your artery! also D4C love train does change the terrain around funny valentine to be favorable potentially letting him hax wonder of you.
Just a point, but King Crimson does not speed scale to Silver Chariot, he is actually inferior to SC. He did manage to clown Polnareff but that was due to lack of intel on how his powers worked at the time and the inherit confusion caused by Time Erasure slowing his response time. When he did know, the one time SC and KC clashed while he was in a wheelchair, SC out-sped and scored what could have been a fatal injury if Diavolo hadn't been cautious and limited the range he entered. Diavolo actually confirms this himself when Polnareff blind sliced his arm open, he could react to Erasure ending and counterattack before KC could hit him, which is why he blinded Polnareff with his blood so he couldn't counter effectively in that moment (he also tried using the same tactic on Giorno since he saw GER being faster than he was).
now the true question to ask. Could Tooru & the Wonder of U defeat every single stand user at once with the exception of Josuke (Soft & Wet Go Beyond). I think it'd be more like a manhunt scenario like "Something Something go defeat the head doctor" instead of everyone knowing that "hey, Tooru is here & go kill him"
Giorno, Johnny and Gyro could probably bypass Calamity through negation or infinite spin shenanigans, although Johnny and Gyro would need a lot of luck to be able to charge their attacks before being attacked. Rohan maybe could write something on himself or someone else so that way they don't acknowledge Toru's existence?
Funnily enough, Pucci easily stomps Funny Valentine due to his complete control of gravity. Yes, it takes gravity to surpass Love Train, not infinite energy, that was actively stated. D4C's parallel universe ability really doesn't matter, as Pucci could also just blitz him before he disappears within 2 objects.
well the thing is, pucci would only be able to speed blitz him that quick with mih, and can only control gravity with cmoon, so unless he can switch, which i dont think was ever stated, he would have to use gravity against valentine and then awaken into mih fast enough to kill, which i don't think could happen.
@thenewsanzplayz4738 well actually no, Pucci's direct words when he was unlocking Made In Heaven is that he obtained "the complete control of gravity" or "the power of gravity." That's one realistic way that Pucci could speed up time in the first place, via gravity
Dude. I've seen all Jojo parts and this is hands down the best antagonist power scaling tier list I've seen thus far. 100% agree. Though if Dio from Steel Ball Run were to be included, I'd possibly put him above D4C Love Train just cuz the combination of his wits and The World ability combined are basically godlike in power . . . Shame he got side-tracked by a beautiful woman with his severed head inside a bag.
what i think would be funnier than hypnosis just not working on diavolo because he's strong willed is diavolo and dopio constantly switching to avoid it
Wait, I'm actually a little confused about something. Stands are a character's fighting spirit given form. As proven with Holly in part 3, having a low or even nonexistent fighting spirit is liable to outright kill you if you obtain a stand. Following this line of logic, how come Kira's stand is anywhere near as strong as it is when it's actively limited by Kira's unwillingness to actually fight and use it to its fullest potential? I'd struggle to call murdering people as quietly and easily as possible with no resistance "fighting", to be frank.
Having a strong fighting spirit doesn't mean you *want* to fight, it means you aren't afraid to. And that if you did fight, you wouldn't lose to anyone :^) It's why Koichi's stand starts out as an egg and becomes more powerful as he becomes more independent. He has a strong fighting spirit, it's just shackled by his anxiety and low self esteem. "Fighting" can also mean a lot of things. Pearl Jam developed because Tonio fought to be the best chef he could be, he has no desire to actually fight people. Heaven's Door was the same way. It's more "determination" than "fighting spirit" I guess.
Well to be fair on Kira, he does use projectiles with his bomb ability (such as Stray Cat's bubbles or coins), but even then the other Stand user main antagonists have better experience against other Stand users and quite literally all outdo him in terms of stats, hax, and overall fighting ability even without a Stand, I'd also like to note Diavolo's stats make no sense especially his "Permanence" stat being and E, reason being is that it can take blows from itself and from Stands as powerful as Sticky Fingers, in terms of speed SF is as fast if not a little faster than Gold Experience but having destructive power closer to something like Crazy Diamond or The Hand (in physical power), Silver Chariot is also a great example of speed if you consider it should be faster than in part 3 (since it's an older and more experienced Polnareff), there's a possibility it's faster and stronger than before even with it's armor on it's an FTL-MFTL Stand that on it's own is capable of fighting Stands on it's level or above it, I would personally consider it a speed feat for King Crimson to cut off Polnareff's limbs seeing as Silver Chariot couldn't react to it, in both fights between the two it ended in Diavolo's win even with Polnareff knowing the ability and I think it's really downplayed how powerful Stands are in part 5 (aside from GER and Chariot Requiem), also I wish we had more with Trish and her Stand cause it was only really used once and from the little we got of it, we'd probably have had a different ending if she had more time to develop with her abilities.
I don't think the speed is the most dangerous thing about Made in Heaven in fact I feel that Pucci is actually the most powerful and untouchable character in the series and that is because once he reaches heaven and accelerates to the next universe it is already predetermined by fate that he cant be killed as the new universe follows the same history as the one before and because he didn't die in the one before he just cant be killed in this one as well. Fate is meant to be the strongest and the most undeniable force but Pucci is already guarded by it. It is also evident that Made in Heaven is the only stand that can alter fate itself, so he can kill others before they are fated to die. Pucci was defeated as a result of his own actions, he altered fate accidently pushing the Weather Report disc to Emporio which could not be done by someone who cant change fate as Emporio already had a stand. He changed fate accidentally giving Emporio a second stand and that mistake of his own action had fate favour Emporio, through one action in changing Fate it changed almost entirely for 2 people.
@@sirjoesphjoestar8361 King Crimson is not above fate, Diavolo believed that he had fate on his side and he was able to avoid it but fate caught up to him. GER is not above fate either because it is the truth and how fate intends to be that's why Diavolo couldn't avoid it.
("Stands of Alien Orgins and kars can't match them.") Run that back, life on earth is uncertain. Their exist panspermiathe, theory that life on the earth originated from microorganisms or chemical precursors of life present in outer space and able to initiate life on reaching a suitable environment. Kars is the idea of evolution, that's what makes him the ultimate lifeform and stands follow the concept of evolution as well. That explained his ability to copy and ultimate them like he did in the novel.
Agreed with everything except Diavolo , I believe his epitaph and time erasure is too op , I think he states higher than Dio , right he doesn't have enough feats but he has enough stats for us to know he can match dios speed and he can have one hit kills as we saw him creating donuts which makes him higher than Dio for me
@@seanbryant5230 Please explain how his punches will kill Kars. Also how will he kill Funny when Funny just replaces himself? Also how will he survive when Dio (part 3) survives his first attack thanks to regen, stops time, and chops Diavolo's head off? Also Pucci *definitely* beats him. If SP couldn't catch MiH without timestop AND Anasui's help, then Diavolo stands no chance. He's strong but people overhype Epitaph to an absurd degree. Also his stats flat out kinda suck. He donuts people? Okay he only does that when he has the element of surprise and people like Josuke can do that casually. Speed? Without time skip, Polnareff cuts him to ribbons. And don't get me started on his range/durability.
@@AmericanBrit9834 hes only deafeating pt3 dio cant diavolo just see in future when dio will stop time then just erease time, how can dio hit him, but at the same time i dont think diavolo can kill dio cuse hes vampire
@@boca1937 Theoretically, Diavolo can kill DIO by destroying his brain. It's just that DIO killing Diavolo is the much more likely scenario. Diavolo can't skip time forever and the war of attrition is not on his side.
I'd argue that Diavolo could go above Dio. It all depends if the stopped time affects the length of the erased time. I think it doesn't happen because the stopped time is a timeframe which subjectively exists only for the time stoppers. Everything they do within that timeframe would happen in that 0,000...1 second for everyone else or for the world itself if this makes sense. This would mean the following: 1. The fight starts. 2. Epithaph shows that for a moment Dio will be in 20 places at once, doing several things. Like a picture in which you copy-paste Dio all over the place. 3. King Crimson erases said time, nullifying every effect within the stopped time. 4. Diavolo gets behind Dio and attacks as usual. The only way I could imagine Diavolo losing (if my interpretation of how their time abilities work together) is if Dio is fast enough to notice the attack and counter-attack so fast Diavolo can't react, defeating him.
thing is thats exactly how the fight would go. Dio maybe a vampire but everyone seems to forget dio's body is incredibly weak and can't regenerate normally. Diavolo punches are strong enough to obliterate a human body with just a chop. diavolo doesn't take chances in the slightest he always uses epitaph because he can always spam it alongside king crimson. and the major amount of confusion he'd instill would be enough for dio to not notice the attack fast enough
sheer heart attack is shown to be useless against josuke as he just fixes sheer heart attack back to killer queens hand. plus stray cat's air bubbles and killer queens bomb coupled with atom heart father are a way more reliable way to deal with enemies since it cant be distracted with lighters and such
despite how weak killer queen is compared to other villain's stands, it's pretty impressive how long kira survived and frankly how well he did against the duwang gang.
7:04 Life damage reflection just like doping enemies up with too much life get countered a lot. The mold made the branches rot. What the hell was getting reflected by getting frozen? Giorno and those he heals are not living beings he gave life to, so the power doesn't work with them. And the Scorpion bit is an anime-only error, like Bulma's hair color in the Dragon Ball anime. As for doping people with life. Choco amputated the part that got punched. The rest either avoided getting hit, were shielded from getting hit, or weren't living beings in the first place.
I think you kinda ranking these villains in just over combative ability when most JoJo fights are strategic and some fights aren't even actual fights. As you said Kira's stand and power's are literally designed to make him a sneaky serial killer. Kira doesn't really want to engage with someone head on unless he has to and rather do long range combat. He was literally gonna beat the part 4 group with bites the dust if his luck didn't run out and the ambulance came.
@Star-Universe-Requiem nah he would of won. He simply won't engage the group. He didn't even want to fight the group the first time, Kira got the groups when he was speaking to hayoto.
If you think about it since stands get stronger the more you train them Diavalo could've possibly fulfilled Dio's plan to accelerate time (diavolo would really have to spam King Crimson, but it might be possible)
Stands only get stronger with use when they have a high development stat, you can't just farm your stand to make it infinitely stronger, it has a limit.
Oh wow! My favorite Jojotuber Kaleb I.A just uploaded!
Damn Bro why you gotta roast him like that
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Nah fr sometimes if I'm not paying attention and one of METAs video plays after Kaleb's I dead don't notice 😂 they have somewhat similar voices or I guess speech pattern?
nahhhh bro burned the guy to the ground 💀⚰
@@thoppann9040 nah they fr have such similar voices
I love the crazy power scaling in jojo. The weakest main villain by far is an immortal vampire
Part 1 Dio is debatable, but Part 3 DIO sure as hell ain't the weakest...
@@Lazar-TS of course, then, I would call part 3 Dio an immortal time-stopping vampire
@@Lazar-TS Did you watch the video before making that comment?
@@thedarknessinthelight9824 Who says I agree with the video?
@@Lazar-TS I didn't say you agreed with the video. All I know is that if you watched the vid, you'd know that Part 3 Dio was ranked high on the tier list
I'm pretty sure I heard the reason Kira stops using SHA in the final fight is because Josuke just has to whack it once and make it completely irrelevant, as exemplified at the end of the SHA arc.
Exactly What's stopping Koichi from using gravity on it and then Josuke touching it and then going back to Kira
The reason he stopped using it is that it would be less than worthless. If Josuke fought it Yoshikage would have his location revealed. If Okuyasu fought it Kira would just lose a hand.
@@noahabella oh yeah right, I never stopped to think about that, Okuyasu would one shot SHA too... everyone in the duwang gang except Jotaro did, and I bet if jotaro could have a rematch against it without Koichi being there and he already knowing how it works, Jotaro would've absolutely demolished it... Kira stopped using it because the specific group of protagonists he was fightning against all hard-counter his abilities
I think if it was against the Part 5 gang he could have a better chance... part 3 gang (the crusaders) probably could defeat it too just because of Avdol
Can’t killer queen only have one bomb active at a time anyways
It's like Jogo in JJK. It is comically busted and deffo a top tier. But it just so happened to have the worst matchups. Place SHA in any other part aside from maybe 6 and it wipes out the main chars easily.
Part 9 antagonist boutta go past tooru in like so many ways. Knowing araki💀💀💀
Imagine a Stand itself as the main villain, having killed its user. To be honest, that's one of the things that i expected from Tooru, or 2 stand users.
Goddamn so much wasted potential🗿
Pretty sure part 9 villain is Ezra Miller
Imagine Part 9 Villain just has the gag abilities like the mask and can virtually do anything it can in a ridiculous way
Jodio getting to Outerversal lets go
@@zalabit927 wouldnt the stand dissapear if the user dies though?
If I'm not mistaken, in one of the Jojonium books, Araki mentioned that if Kars was to learn of Stands, he could create one... Which is scary because we can only imagine how busted his Stand or Stands might be .. let's thank Araki he BFR'd Kars. Permanently.
that's horrifying-imagine if he has like every stand power /in/ him like one of the Ben 10,000s because they're basically their own user which has DNA which etc.
@@kaybee328 Because of that, I think that's why Araki had to use dumb luck against his ego to remove him because if Kars stayed around, then no Stand or their User would like stand against him easily or at all.
imagine kars actually makes the meme a reality and goes "So its the same type of stand as mine."
That's basically what happens in the Jorge joestar novel, in it he basically has every stand buffed to an absurd degree, i.e. being able to activate BTD and GER at will, while retaining none of the weaknesses that the stands may have had
Not canon
about the sheer heart attack part, kira didn't use it because he was fighting josuke who we have already seen can just completely negate it.
That's a good point, and iirc it occupies Killer Queen's left hand, so imagine how even more outboxed he'd be by Crazy Diamond. If he could have it deployed concurrently without any drawbacks, it might be a different story. It'd be a useful distraction at least.
would probably still be a good distraction though, almost like a 2v1
@@straightestman he can just punch it once and restore it back
I think he didn't use it anymore just because of Koichi right?
@@DanilegoPlays not just because of koichi, litterally any of the morioh warriors can counter it, albeit rohan might falter to it
Kira is what you gave one of the minor villains with a standard power the big bad role for his part- he’s definitely a lot smarter with his use of it but he’s still not a top-tier threat. He’s used to being a serial killer that uses the element of surprise to get the drop on his enemies. So he’s not used to the unorthodox stand battles that the others are. Which is why a lot of his powers are good at killing those unaware or normal humans but very impractical if you can get past the initial shock.
I also like how all the characters that want to interrogate Kira figure out Kira is related to Hayato on their own, meaning Hayato can play off of the fact that he let information about him slip to make Kira arrogant.
We have to take into account that Kira: a) wanted a quiet life and b) till he found Shigechi, he had no idea that other people could also have stands. Killer Queen had a powerful ability, but Kira never developed beyond that simply because he never found the need to do so.
+ Kira had so much Luck. Fate was most of the times on his side
@@C0RNELIS *LOOKS LIKE FATE HAS SIDED WITH YOSHIKAGE KIRA*
Kira is my favorite and I'm glad he ranked low. My favorite stand users are 'weak but clever' and while Kira is pretty strong and versatile... over estimating his powers would take away from him just having been really smart in how he used what he had.
Tooru literally has a power to one shot anyone passively- as the slightest inclination about knowing him in your thoughts will kill you and he has ways to make sure you focus on it even if you don’t want to. It becomes clearer and clearer as the fight goes on that it’s not just a jinx power but a metaphysical law of causality he’s using- leading to a Deus Ex machina needed to even weaken him enough for a kill- and even then his Stand still lingers on long enough to be a threat. And the Stand is sentient enough to function without his user and have countermeasures in case his usual powers don’t work. It’s a true hellish struggle just to get that one blow to kill him as anything else would be rendered ineffective. Part 9 is going to have a momentous effort to come up with something even more powerful and live up to.
@@cosmicplastoidmatter no
so far we had villains with abilities that work within logic or in case of WoU an ability that controls logic, so I believe to top that the next villain would need to have an ability that goes beyond logic, somethin like S&WGB
I just don't think he could kill Dio tho unless ofc during the night
@vominomi I can totally agree with this statement despite the fact it would be cool to see a stronger ability than wonder of u but that's just my opinion
Please dear God, no more rock animals
Kars was initially implied to be weaker than Wamuu as the former’s blades while skilled were not as powerful as the latter’s finishing move and makes up for it by being very intelligent long term. Kars then more than makes up for it by becoming the ultimate life form- not only gaining the top stats and the abilities of every earth animal to exist- but he gains a superior version of his kind’s weakness to exploit it on his enemies. If he were around the time Stands become more prominent, he’d easily have a very broken one- which is explored to ridiculous lengths in the Jorge novel. Thankfully, blind luck manages to literally blast him out of the story to make him a floating rock that went braindead after going insane from the isolation of space. He’s the top of the earthly forces as the remaining three are truly metaphysical and/or literally godlike in nature.
@@JudgeHoldenUwU which is what this person is saying, kars would evolve to have a stand if he met someone actively trying to use one against him
@@JudgeHoldenUwU 🤓Actually if you were a real jojo fan you would know that light novel kars was able to adapt his body and had up to seven stands at once + could adapt to Requiem and further (due to stronger dosage of the virus arrow) 🤓
@@Ghoul132the light novel isn’t canon
@@ber093 But it proves that it could happen canonically.
@@Ghoul132 ahh yes. a random writer who wrote a below mediocre novel is a credible source of how kars would turn out if he encountered stand users
I am currently half way through part 8 and have loved it so far. It's weird to think people don't like this part, although I heard that it was the ending that people don't like
Yeah, *everyone* loved Part 8 until about halfway.
@@bootysensei oh
Uh oh
Part 8 is easily the most bizzare part in my opinion, and that's saying something considering the series already bizzare
It falls off about half way(although it’s still enjoyable) but in the last few chapters it’s phenomenal
Jojolion is *G0LD* for 52 chapters and then it's ass
The thing about sheer heart attack is that almost all of the morioh warriors counters it. Okuyasu could just erase it, joskue can send it back to kira’s hand, koichi can use 3 freeze or act 2, and jotaro can time stop and light something on fire like we see in the original heart attack fight. Rohan is basically the only one that can’t do anything against it (assuming he isn’t able to do something like write “I am not the hottest thing in the area” or something like that)
Lighting a fire and freezing aren't a counter to SHA, They are just momentary halts that can be easily overcome as we saw happen in the series. Those two weren't able to defeat SHA. Jotaro and Koichi were both beaten by SHA
@@chinyereugwu9431 Jotaro could just throw SHA away from him forever and stop time when it approaches as he has at the beginning of the fight, he only ever lit a fire to save Koichi. Jotaro didn't have a problem with SHA he just couldn't beat it, but he wasn't in any danger.
@@chinyereugwu9431 they got rekt because of koichi
Rohan is always the hottest thing in the area
@@Brizz979 Fr, and jotaro was only experimenting with it 💀
Idk how Tooru will even be topped. His power is literally just "you just die lmao"
Yeah, and Soft and Wet Go Beyond is "nuh uh"
@@smallbag123Yeah, and Ger is "Bro it never happened i swear!!"
I don't think any part until this point has felt more like Araki writing himself to a corner. There were hints at part 3 that Jotaro could have time manipulation and in part 5 it was clear that whoever gets completed requiem will get some crazy hax ability but Soft and Wet having having perfect hard counter for universal ability all this time really came out of nowhere.
Also considering the nature of Jodio's stand I don't know how villain he's able to defeat could realistically be anywhere near part 7 and 8. At the very least he needs to get some crazy power up so that there's any point to introducing villain of that scale.
@@retrohanska4441 it was shown before in jojolion that josukes bubbles were spinning
And mih is gas gas gas meme @@uhvhhjjjk
Diavolo can spam time erase just how he did it with every step he took while getting to trish in the elevator, meaning he can become intangible whenever he wants and literally can counter time stop, has epitaph which is pretty self explanatory of why he should be higher.
Though he is vulnerable for a short sec as Polnareff was able to harm him.
Theoretically he still loses, you can't erase time when it's stopped on account of not being capable of thought or recognition of time being stopped. Which means if he doesn't make the very first move he gets one shotted by any time stopper. The second issue: King Crimson is so much slower than Star Platinum and The World that they could instantly block his attacks out of erased time. It'd be like a snail teleporting behind you and trying to reach you, you're easily fast enough to realize it's there, look at it, and move away from it before it can actually do anything.
Epitaph doesn't help either, if you know a beam of light is coming towards you a few seconds ahead of time you're still too slow to do anything about it, knowing an attack you can't dodge is coming doesn't change the fact that you can't dodge it. Seeing the future doesn't give you the power to change it, and knowing an attack is coming doesn't make you fast enough to avoid it. He just lacks the raw speed and power to be competitive with the others.
@@EnbyOccultist dude epitaph is able to see even in time is erased why can't epitaph do it in time only pause for few sec.
You see in Jojo it doesn't matter if you have timestop as long as your enemy is also time related stand they can pretty much counter it even just by being conscious like they were able to avoid fatal attack like Pucci and Jotaro. What more to someone who is able to see future and use it where time doesn't exist.
@@EnbyOccultist
King Crimson is a perfect ability for anyone who wants to be a cryptic assassin who can kill without any trace. The ability to see absolute future and determine what moments of those future you will delete and what you will left behind as a result by erasing time. If he see a future where it is undesirable he will just erase time move to favorable position be 10 sec exempted to fate. And if the future is favorable to him he will just erase time of those process and leave the luckiest result for him so he doesn't have to wait for and leave any evidence cause even if he didn't move fate itself will do the work for him. Like him in Elevator scene he erase the moments he confront them and leave the result of him having Trish.
The only problem I can see to KC is it needs a certain range to do his deathchop attack to successfully kill its opponent without being recognized that they are being attack. So if his enemy have an ability to kill someone that gets too close like Rissotto or Tooru then it suck cause he can only attack after those 10 sec of erased time, so that 1 sec attacks needs to be instantaneous as much as possible only fraction of sec before the enemy realize that he was being attacked.
And don't forget he can also confused his enemy by projecting their future using epitaph.
Diavolo has a high chance against 95% of stand users. Remember that all villains are blessed by fate itself cause time = fate in Jojo.
And an ability to remove yourself from fate in Jojo is so busted you can see the future and also unravel your enemy stand ability by observing their action in erased time for another 10 sec while you are the only one who can move freely while the rest are moving to their predetermined actions are nuts.
Especially if he use this in more of 1v 1 style and assasination style, in part 5 no one really can go against him 1 on 1, he was pursued by gang and still able to kill 3 of them and in final battle Fate still favors him because he is destined to donut Giorno and it is truth according to GER himself but GER is such a dues ex machina it is also free from fate allowing it to move in erased time and its ability to turn tho 4:22 se undesirable fate for Giorno into null.
@@AmericanBrit9834 when did it happen i dont seem to remember it?
I feel like, if Part 3 Dio still had access to some of the wilder vampiric abilities he had in Part 1, he'd automatically be a lot higher. In particular, Space Ripper Stingy Eyes could easily cover for the one major weakness of The World; that being his limited range.
None of those abilities would help him against anyone above him on the list. Funny Valentine is immune to all damage except spin based attacks, Pucci is much faster than Dio and can perceive stopped time (although he can not move in it), and Tooru has WoU enough said. Even with those abilities he wouldn't even be able to beat Ultimate Kars because piller men are naturally superior to vampires and Ultimate Kars is a piller man (and all of life) on steroids.
Edit: Dio's knives pretty much served the purpose of Space Ripper Stingy Eyes and he still couldn't beat Jotaro due to his over confidence.
@@woomyboy98 I didn't say otherwise though? I'm just saying it'd make him stronger than he is as-is, not necessarily stronger than the others on the tier list. Due apologies for the poor wording.
In the Over Heaven novel (which is not canon), he says that those abilities would be useless in a fight between stands. But his "laser" eyes surely would have cut both Jotaro and Star Platinum in half if he had used it.
This I agree with
Another thing is that it is always forgotten that Diavolo is able to move around his soul independently somehow. Just some food for thought for an extra power
The worst part about WoU is that it doesn't even need "intention" behind it. Essentially if you have ANY form of "pursuing" the head doctor/Tooru, it affects you. This means that EVEN THINKING about who the head doctor might be, even a glancing thought will have you attacked by WoU with instantaneous velocity and expeditious intention
Personally I still think that MiH is the most broken stand WHEN PAIRED WITH THE USER. People aren't understanding fully how smart Pucci is. He out-brained Jotaro and the entire part 6 cast at the same time on the go, no prep time. I feel that Puccis IQ can easily bring him a win against D4C:LT and even WoU
"yo doc you dropped this pho-"
He gets clapped from both
You must be forgetting you cant do anything to valentine while love train is up since an attack is misfortune
@@AugustusOctavian843 MiH vs D4C:LT, if Valentine leaves LT at all, he dies. So it's either a stalemate or a win for Pucci as he won't attack the literal wall of infinite luck
MiH vs WoU, Pucci can just pursue the Head Doctor. Infinite speed+infinite reactions, it really depends on when Pucci realises that the damage from calamities is amplified, which won't take long for him to figure out. Beating Tooru is tough as even attacking him would be hard (he will hide like a smart pussy) but then Pucci can just wait. Yes he's a rock human BUT he also has a persona to uphold, so he can't stay in 1 location eternally. And I doubt that it will take long or any real effort for Pucci to find an area where calamity cannot indirectly attack him, so he has time to avoid it. I mean he literally found a way to achieve heaven based off of cryptic sentences left by a vampire I think he will easily be able to outsmart Valentine and Tooru easily
@@lolno6975 The problem this logic is that another Valentine will take the first Valentine place, what stopping Valentine from calling in a another Pucci, Pucci when fighting WOU should get killed because the calamities speed is also increased, and Tooru is not the one Pucci should be worrying about it should instead be WOU itself.
I'd like to imagine that Wonder of U would just make Lovetrain's effect redirect the misfortune... to Valentine.
So of all the times and places the damage *could* go... it just goes to Valentine anyways, due to the logic of calamity.
Yeah, although idk if that's possible since Love Train is a literal barrier, meaning it CANNOT hit him. Thematically it works though
The whole point of light barrier is redirecting misfortune, but since Tooru's stand defied any logic, the whole calamity would just moving around and accumulating. I can imagine Valentine could survive as long as he is activating light barrier, once he shut it down the whole calamity that accumulated will one shot him. A single dust powered by accumulated calamity could enter his nose and obliterated Valentine's lung from inside.
I think love train would redirect the calamity to someone else on earth, that’s all
It’s just energy ball tennis but with LT and WOU bouncing cars back and forth.
Yeah, it's comparison between stand who merely taps into that primordial force and stand that is the very embodiment of it. One can only control it to very limited degree, the other has full control of it.
Stands are not of an alien origin. The virus that brings out stands is, but stands themselves are part of a person's spirit, and we do know some (like Anubis) that existed long before the asteroid. So ULF Kars should technically be able to match and surpass every stand ability ever, scaling him above every single character in the franchise.
Yeah, The Reason Araki gives us that explanation in Part 5 wasn't to explain stands but to Explain the Arrows, stands existed since the start of the universe
@@Tomy-om9rs why would we need to know this?? No it was to explain where the arrows came from because if he left it ambiguous people would have questions
He wouldn’t see it therefore he can’t try to match what he can’t see and would get clapped by koichi
@@Wezlii530 While he could overpower what he can't see to an extent, his power of matching living beings isn't in any way dependent on vision.
@@Wezlii530 He would know they're there, he can sense the movement of all air molecules around him. He would be able to see the stands outline as it displaces air and go, "Ah, there is a thing there that normal mundane senses can't detect, I must evolve to account for this immediately." He would also know it's there when an invisible fist starts bouncing off of him like a moth hitting a light bulb. He doesn't even *need* to deal with the stand, he can just turn into a swarm of billions of carnivorous, venomous insects and cover every inch of his opponent. Unless he's fighting Vanilla Ice a stand isn't going to save you from billions of insects crawling into your skin and lungs.
Pucci likely beats all but the the top spot due to his raw speed. Even in the case of Funny, he can just leave and come back when he least expects it, his barrier isn't something passively active 24/7. Also, due to the way energy works, infinite speed means infinite AP if used correctly.
Wow, using science in a jojo debate... major points
im pretty sure it doesn't work like that. Tusk act 4 has infinite everything. Strength, Speed, Force, etc his attacks even last forever while pucci just moves fast. Tusk act 4 is a straight up infinite constant of infinite strength. Pucci can't replicate that.
One problem, Pucci himself holds his stand back. He can't think anywhere near as fast as his stand moves and has to work around that with clever planning. You don't have to beat his stand, you just have to exploit the weakness of a mundane human.
@@timdoe8895Well, first, Tusk doesnt have infinite everything, second, pucci is not inf speed, however he could easily kill funny valentine
@@sirjoesphjoestar8361 Yes he does. If he has Infinite speed than he has Infinite force therfore striking strength. If you wanna be specific than no he doesn't but effectively he does. I never said Pucci had Infinite anything.
22:30 Kira accidentally cuts his finger with a butter knife while making breakfast while thinking of a way to approach the head doctor and splits in half like Katana Man
Lmao, so Kira has a whole has monologue about how he's better then realises he has been been cut. I love how long it took for Katana Man to be cut after his clash.
Araki didn't really throw damage reflection off to the side so much as he used its existence to force him to write villains that would fight Giorno through indirect methods, from AoE attacks like White Album or Green Day to non-damaging attacks like Baby Face or Man in the Mirror, to stealthy attacks like Soft Machine or Clash. It was less a power of Gold Experience and more a writing constraint of Golden Wind.
Yeah, same with the life shot ability. It became pretty much useless against most enemies Giorno faced either because they couldn't be hit directly (White Album, Oasis), were stand beings (Babyface, Black Sabbath, Notorious B.I.G.), managed to incapacitate Giorno first (Clash and Talking head) or were straight up not close enough to be hit directly until the fight was over (Green Day, Man in the mirror, also Clash and Talking head)
@@thanatoast Also Life Shot was the final attack Giorno used. Gold Experience Requiem upgraded Life Shot to the point that it makes the victim's mind experience infinite time within the span of a single beatdown.
@@1sdani Yeah, I guess that does make sense.
Except that idea is out the window because if he just wore a, lets just say plain white T and pants, under his normal shirt and pants and turned that shirt into vines, then any attack done on him would bounce back to the attacker. Granted this would not work against White Ice but it would against enemy like Crush, that bit him in the neck which would be a part of the defence if he was smart, Green Day, that struck his body when they fought in person, Baby Face, if he struck anywhere on his body which he did during his fight, and probably other fights that this would apply. TBH part 5 is probably the worst part of JoJo, in terms of story, I have seen, but it has some of the best powers in the entire series, and characters that I have seen.
@@spencerstrunk6819 Again, damage reflection wouldn't have been optimal for any of those fights.
Baby Face never actually injured Giorno, he just turned Giorno's body parts into objects, such an "attack" wouldn't trigger damage reflection.
Green Day is a colony stand, damage dealt to colony stands doesn't reflect damage back on their user, as seen with Bad Company, Harvest, etc.
Clash is the one enemy where using damage redirection would work, but that'd mean that Talking Head's user would get away. Giorno wanted to take both of them out, and he acted accordingly.
D4C Is honestly my favorite stand in the entire franchise, you can do so many cool things with it and it's debut chapters STILL confuse me to this day even though I know how it works. I love it's design, and I can't wait to see how it's animated.
honest I don't really get it myself. it just kinda seems like he can go to other universes and swap lives with them? like it kinda sucks from my opinion, but everyone says it's awesome. so, I guess I don't understand it?
@@kaybee328 if you're smart you're essentially invincible, immortal, and I think being able to have an ability that's trans dimensional is just incredible.
@@BloodMoonFT too op tho my favorite so far (I’m on golden wind) is reverb I love when he uses his attacks and I love the way he looks
@@BloodMoonFT lol bro leave it. He just isn't smart
@@BloodMoonFT Also, you can effectively one shot EVERYONE by summoning an alternate self of them to collide and fizzle out of existence.
Post Phantom Blood DIO has the benefits of both being a powerful vampire and having a Stand that is physically strong and has a potentially infinite amount of time stopping potential with no actual drawbacks that matter- which gives him a massive advantage over most Stand users. He falters due to himself ironically enough- never truly outgrowing his hubris that does him in- even as a literal physical god in a hypothetical game scenario. He’s very strong but his competition is the ultimate life form that he’s normally inferior against even when that individual was in his base power and people with truly metaphysical powers.
The way i view Killer Queen is that he less-so makes "explosions", but rather implodes the opponent with a bomb-like effect. In this case, the 1st bomb would be an implosion (such as Shigekiyo dying without anybody noticing) and the 2nd bomb would be a more traditional explosion. I feel like this explains why he doesn't just start throwing many objects at people, though midway through writing this I do remember the coin bomb so im kinda regretting writing all this
Tbh, it is important to mention that when comparing the villains - you have to take in consideration, that if they were in the same situation and timeline - they all would act and adapt differently. In a world organised by stand users - DIO would activate The World earlier, making part 1 DIO almost the same as part 3 DIO (kinda making his entry on this list irrelevant, aside obviously just the sake of covering representative from each part).
Kars as ultimate being - most likely would be able to adapt and create universal stand that adapts to the opponent.
Mind you - stands can appear in people with extreme skills (like the chief from part 4 or Rohan). Kars being an ultimate being wouldn't be different. I mean he has been kinda predicting Joseph at the end - kinda mirroring the baby abilities of Hermit Purple.
If Araki would ever bring Kars back - I wouldn't be suprised, if Kars didnt get a stand that can use any stand abilities or stand that can change it's abilities depending on the situation and opponent.
And this way you could easily make him the strongest villain. But that probably also applies to any of the other villains or at least most of them. The main threat to their power making them evolve, ultimately all of them only losing to the fact that Fate prefers good over evil.
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this is definitely the best villain power tierlist out there
Yeah,valetine is tecnically imortal like dio and kars also tooru if he could make a even more advanced version of the rokakaka
Tooru above Pucchi makes no sense… Diavolo is too low
@@syrexlee2021 kinda curious what your reasoning is here?
@@syrexlee2021 pucchi can't do shit against tooru lmfao Idk how you can think that pucchi actually ranks higher
@@theoneaboveall1677 yeah...pucci can't do anything against tooru. That's why he's...ya know, lower than him?
Enjoyed this video overall, But personally I feel like Love train's ability to deflect "Misfortune" Would apply to the flow of calamity as well. You mention a pebble already in the barrier, but the objects being "Knocked into" aren't what cause the damage, its the Flow of Calamity interacting with them. So if the pebble is in the barrier calamity couldn't get in. But I've only read parts 7 & 8 once each so I'm sure there's plenty I could be missing.
Yeah I feel like they’d cancel each other out
There is one problem tho wonder of u doesnt "fight alone" he bring his own stage hazards xd
D4c needs to leave to attack. As soon as funny valentine puts his revolver out to shoot, the revolver explodes due to a malfunction and his whole arm is gone
If it takes infinite attack energy to attack love train, pucci should teoretically be able to do it, because he has infinite speed and force = mass * aceleration, if he punches valentine it would be an attack with infinite force, and force creates ennergy. Sorry for bad english for I am a Portuguese native speaker
That's what I was thinking. Of course, he still loses to Tooru via tripping on a pebble at lightspeed, but what can ya do
His "speed" isn't really speed, it's more like slowing down his opponents through time manipulation. Same reason time stop doesn't give Dio or Jotaro infinite attack power, because they're not really moving faster just slowing everything else down.
@@saucevc8353it literally is speed, manipulating through acceleration of basically all inanimate objects. No one is being slowed down they are just stuck at a constant while he and everything else gets faster
@@justtony3108 He's not increasing their actual speed, but the speed they move through time. Simply increasing velocity doesn't make food rot faster or ink dry faster, and if the Earth itself really was spinning that fast so that the days lasted milliseconds, it would break apart completely.
@@saucevc8353 that being said tho, force itself does get affected as we saw with the baseball and the cars just squashing the old lady during mih
How WOU vs any character would go:
Char: think about wou
Wou: ok soo you inhaled a dust particle, now I will break all of your bones and give you a heamorhage
Also wou: so after you implode because of your dust algeries you also get hit by a earthquake
20:01 I did not realize until this exact moment but Wonder of you and bites the dust have similar ideas around them. In part 4 its "if they find out my identity they will explode and always explode" and for part 8 it's "if they want to know my identity they are doomed to death"
"You never know how our abilities will interact" - Crocodile "One Piece"
Yoshikage Kira is hesitant to use his Stand ability in a maximal way because he's trying to stay low and has been doing so for so long that he can't actually think ambitiously. Man is single goal oriented.
The worst part about tooru is even if you manage to hurt/kill him it still triggers a Insta kill Both Kei & Kaato were dead before they even realized it
You forgot part 9s villain, Dionathan Brando.
I think what holds Kira back is out of all these stand users and really villians in general he's the least experienced, he didn't even know that stands were called stands, nor did he ever fight anyone remotely close to his level up until he was fighting with people stronger than him like Jotaro and Josuke
All the villains have some broken stats here and there but the Wonder of U was the first antagonist in any Jojo for me where I thought, this isn’t even fun because he’s that untouchable. Not sure how part 9’s antagonist will rival if not surpass that.
New/SBR universe works on the idea of Feng Shui. Positive and negative energy, constantly moving, constantly shifting. Positive energy brings good fortune, negative energy brings misfortune/disaster/calamity. D4C Love Train and Wonder of U are polar opposites, in that one manipulates positive energy while the other manipulates negative energy.
Following the example on the video, an attack against D4C Love Train is seen as negative, and thus is repelled away. As for Wonder of U, what it actually does is directly manipulate probability, as in, once you become its target it shifts the flow of negative energy so that disasters/calamities start hitting you.
With all that said, what I want to get at is that, even thought it is so damn busted, Wonder of U wouldn't do a damn thing to D4C Love Train, because D4C Love Train is literally immune to its ability.
@cetvrti_magi exactly
The fight would last until the entire population of earth dies then Valentine would end up dead,tbh the fight could probably be endless if he just kept spawning more versions of himself
Imagine Valentine and Tooru just staring at each other until one of them messes up🤣
That's basically what would happen. Or they'd just decide to end at a stalemate.
Feng Shui was definitely in the old universe in some capacity, otherwise we wouldn't have had the absolute joy that was Dragons Dream.
I think the problem with Kars is the fact that he physically surpasses stand users and after his first encounter with one would always just rush them before they can use their abilities, so unless you're talking about specific stands using BS (like instant death if someone sees your back) then he's uncontested.
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"mountain level attack"
shows them struggling to destroy a vehicle being punched by the 2 of them
props to you my man this video is so well made keep up the good work
Thank you for not just saying diavolo erases time because it's so much more complicated yet most jojo fans don't take time to explain how it works. I really appreciate it man. as for my favorite of the JoJo villains thus far it's funny valentine I really enjoyed the wacky things he pulls off with d4c
The best way to win a fight is to deescalate it or avoid it entirely. Therefore, Kira is actually #1 for being able to avoid so many confrontations
I feel like there isn't really a scenario where made in heaven loses to D4C love train it's visually relatively obvious that love train barrier is generated by Lucy steel so poochie very likely will try to carry her away or kill her or destroy her or whatever but even if he didn't think of that D4C usually leaves the barrier to attack his opponents at which point he becomes vulnerable and Pucci would likely kill him.
I’ve been waiting so long for this video :’)
6:53 It's true there are a lot of cases where a ability is kind of forgot, But in kira's favor the only fight he has after his encounter with jotaro and koichi, was with josuke and remembering josuke can just punch Sheer Hear Attack away and send It back to Kira would just make It useless
what...... abilities being forgotten, no... never, where do you get that idea
@@Cl0wnMcCl0wnTheCl0wnSenior didn't giorno's life form deflect get forgotten or was it used but i just don't remember it
@@strongHORNET112 yea.... u just dont remember it, araki would never forget an ability
@@Cl0wnMcCl0wnTheCl0wnSenior well i guess ur right
@Jan Stefaniuk Here's the way to think about the damage reflection. It is not designed to be a suprise win condition, it is designed so other stand users can't counter gold experience by just punching what he creates. It isn't that the ability is unused, it's that enemy stand users don't attack his lifeforms and thus don't suffer the effects.
It wasn't used later because ending every fight with "and the other person died because giorno lifted a spider in the way of the attack" could very easily be boring. The ability is best viewed as a wrinkle that forces enemies to deal with Giorno without just attacking his creations.
The anime itself has an error (not found in the manga) where Diavolo stomps on a scorpion made by gold experience and isn't hurt, but the manga shows him removing the scorpion without hurting it. The storyboarder seems to have forgotten, but the author did not.
AP: Multiversal for Tooru, I would say in terms of the potency he has logic on his side which is at least universal potency but attack power he’s possibly the weakest
Nice vid, an amazing follow-up would be ranking every Jojo from weakest to strongest
I don't think people fully understand WoU. In my interpretation, calamity is more of a destiny thing than a "what if it can't hit you?". We've seen it turn rain into deadly droplets. It manipulates destiny in a way that you can't attack it, even if you're like, invulnerable. In that case I imagine you would likely trip or something that would prevent you from attacking him
You also have to think that made in heaven still has a high development potential. So if he had more time to develop then he could potentially be higher
Kars being the ultimate lifeform makes him losing to a rock so much sense
About the Jotaro One-Shot with Pucci
His Ap shouldn't matter, since most of his attacks negate normal durability (F=M×A) and since Pucci has infinite/immeasurable speed... well, you probbably understood what i'm tryna say
He is probbably between Large Building to City Level in terms of AP (Going by basic logic that "A" Stats could be Large City to Large Mountain. But it's just my own speculation about the stats, don't count on it too much since Kiss also has "A" Stats and isn't as nearly as strong as the stats show.)
6:51 it is proven that sheer heart attack's one weakness is josuke... so using it agaisnt him is useless.
One of the things I thought about toward the end of Jojolion is how, given Diavolo's nature and obsession to hide his identity, if he had Wonder of U he would've been impossible to beat - but he also would probably have a much harder time being a mob boss since I don't think Wonder of U would protect his own people.
Considering Poor Tom died right when he was about to give crucial information, yeah it's safe to say Diavolo's cronies aren't surviving.
Toru: *Fucking Dies*
WoU: “Oh No! Anyways.”
7:05 The real reason Kira don't use Sheer heart attack it's because Josuke counter it like we saw after the fight betwenn Koichi e Jotaro vs Kira so when he it's fighting Josuke Sheer heart attack it's completely useless
Bro imagine Kars vs WoU. Kars charges at WoU and trips on a pebble and flies out of the fucking troposphere
Alternatively: Kars charges at WoU and, due to a guy deciding to turn left 2000 years ago whose choice was influenced by WoU) Funny Valentine appears and drops a clueless Joseph Joestar in the battle who ends up volcano-ing Kars. Again.
Sometimes I wonder if Wonder of U could be destroyed if something more powerful than it (somehow) "accidentally" destroyed it without even thinking of them. You know what I mean? Like, if a stand accidentally sent a beam that kills everything in it destroyed one character and nicked Wonder of U, and it dies, would that immediately enact calamity, or since the stronger thing never even thought about Wonder of U being there, would there be no penalty for destroying it?
i think WoU is less of a metaphysical stand and more of a psychological stand. if you aren’t thinking about the head doctor, tooru, or any of tooru’s goals, you could possibly attack it. i think this is proven by mamezuku’s and kaato’s attacks. kaato drops space trucking’s cards with no intention of killing tooru, since proper use of her stand doesn’t kill things. mamezuku manages to cross the ceiling towards the head doctor by clearing his mind/only seeking to help josuke (?)
it would be a very weird ending to part 8, but i’ve thought about “non-BS” win conditions in part 8, and have come up with a possible alternative to ‘soft and wet: go beyond.’
josuke deliberately loses games to daiya until he has no clue about tooru, the head doctor or the rokakaka, and is then told to launch an explosive into the woods. it might work. i’m pretty sure an automatic stand would beat tooru as long as it was activated before the user knew about him
also, i think tooru could be beaten if you forced him to be on the offensive. you can’t steal the rokakaka from him, but if he’s trying to chase you and take it from you, he’s powerless, so long as you don’t understand that he is following you. this might require memory loss, and daiya might be harmed while playing the games with josuke (and whoever orders josuke to throw the bomb in the woods might be harmed)
The only thing that is more powerful than WoU is logic, so you need to surpass logic in order to hit it.
Vento Aureo is a very symbologically loaded part and you can't do its thematics justice with only a few words: Many different characters spiral into their own arcs that are tied to the overarching themes, but what makes it all the more special is how these characters' arcs interact with one other.
To grossly oversimplify, though, it could be said that Vento Aureo is about self-acceptance, unwavering determination in the face of even inevitable destiny, and the extent of the power of the indomitable human spirit. It's a tale of Human V Destiny: How the human nature and our capacity to dream, love, and hold within ourselves an extraordinarily intense willpower can overcome even the inevitable forces of Destiny that work against us.
But for all that that's worth, though, you can't do that unless you're determined to. And you can't be determined to do any of that if you don't believe in yourself, if you don't love yourself: Someone who doesn't accept themselves and doesn't believe in themselves will falter and fail in the face of a challange such as breaking the order of Fate.
Across Vento Aureo much of the journeys of the gang focus on their own self-acceptance, and the power it unlocks within them: Narancia's betrayal of the Boss was only possible because of the love for himself that Bucciarati cultivated within him, Trish only unlocked her true potential after facing her fears and conquering her weaker self in the Notorious B.I.G. fight, etc.
But, on the other side of the picture, we have Diavolo.
Diavolo's actions aren't a result of him wanting to overcome himself. And never does he intend to overcome Destiny. No, Diavolo enforces Destiny, because Diavolo is Destiny. Destiny is always on Diavolo's side: That's a core concept of his character. He is the force of destiny, and we know that because even at the very end, even as Giorno unlocked Gold Experience Requiem and the power of the Removal of Effect, Epitaph still foretold Giorno's death. Epitaph's predictions are always right: It's the force of destiny. And what we see through Epitaph is Diavolo's victory. Destiny still on the side of Diavolo to the very last moment. It was only through the combined dreams and willpowers of the whole gang, manifested in the Arrow that was delivered to Giorno and in Gold Experience Requiem's power to overcome even the inevitable forces of destiny, that Diavolo could finally be defeated.
But it doesn't end there: Before this battle, what was Diavolo even trying to do? With his concealment, with his erasure of every trace if his identity? With his desire to kill Trish?
The whole time, Diavolo was fleeing from his past. He was fleeing from his identity. Diavolo's entire character revolves around this obsession with erasing and destroying his past so that it may never come to haunt him: That's why he kept trying to hide, and destroy his identity, and even kill Trish, the only link to his past that was still around after his crusade against himself
Now, flashback to earlier in this comment: The gang spent their whole journey conquering themselves, facing their pasts, accepting themselves, because that's the foundation for the power of Human Resolve: Self-acceptance. Self-love. Diavolo, though, rejected himself: He spent his whole life trying to get rid of his past, ensuring none of it could ever come back to haunt him ever again: He ignored the truth of the world, avoided it altogether in his attempt to be perfect in his eyes. And that led to his defeat.
Remember what Giorno said immediatelly after unlocking GER? "The only thing that will survive is the truth of this world. Righteous actions born of truth shall never be destroyed". This is what he was talking about: That which is done whole-heartedly, abiding by the truth of who and what you are, will never be destroyed, even if you die: Bucciarati, Narancia, Abbachio, they may have all died, but what they did, they did from the bottom of their hearts, respecting and never straying from their flawed human nature. And it was their acceptance of their flaws, their respect for their past failures, that made their actions result in the victory of Giorno. But Diavolo? Diavolo spent his entire life running from himself, rejecting himself: He spent his whole life rejecting his past failures and his flawed human nature, and thus his actions were not born of truth. That is why he failed: Because even if Destiny is by your side, even if you embody the forces of Fate, even if the world itself chooses you to stand tall above all others, nothing can win against the force of the indomitable human spirit.
It goes even farther: For example, Diavolo, to enforce his control over the gang, to enforce his reign of terror, he enforced precisely that: Terror.
Diavolo spent his time as head of Passione enforcing stagnation and repetition. When Diavolo was boss, he kept the exact same status quo in place for as long as he could: A secret identity, a very specific way of operating, and a reign of terror over Passione. You can even find this reflected in Bucciarati's character: When Bucciarati died, he told Giorno that "his soul had been fated to slowly die, but it was reborn" when he met Giorno.
His soul had been fated to die (literally: Rolling Stones foretold Bucciarati's death in Venice until Mista broke fate with his resolve, but that's another even longer story) because he was too terrified of the prospect of rebellion against the Boss to actually do anything about the drug trade he despised. He, along with everyone in the gang, hated the way Passione was running things, but none dared to do anything about it. They were doomed to repeat that cycle of endless dismay and inaction forever. Diavolo's law of repetition seeping into their very souls.
That is, until Giorno came along. Giorno may not be a leader: That role was Bucciarati's. But what Giorno was is the spark that lit their flaming hearts.
Giorno's character is centered around innovation, rebellion, and revolt against the status quo: He also hated the drug trade (to children at least), but whereas the gang was too terrified to do anything, Giorno planned to face it head on, no matter what. Why Giorno was capable of this is down to his inheritance and the fact that he was a child of both Dio and Johnathan, but the fact of the matter is, he was, and he did.
And Giorno's unwavering resolve was what brought the gang on their journey: It was Giorno who lit the spark of hope of willpower within Bucciarati. It was Giorno who inspired Bucciarati's decaying soul to take a stand against Diavolo. It was Giorno who tied the resolves of the entire gang together: It was Giorno who awoke the Sleeping Slaves of the gang, and brought them to break Fate.
Giorno and Diavolo share a duality in that Giorno is the embodiment of change and rebellion, whereas Diavolo is the embodiment of stagnation and repetition. Diavolo's insidious hand was withering the souls of the gang away, and only Giorno's nature as an indomitable force of rebellion could change that.
Yoshikage Kira has no business fighting and can't defend himself, but this kinda made him the most interesting villain for me. Other than being a murderous psychopath, he was just like any other person, dealing with life's circumstances. He was constantly fighting against misfortune and stress like the human being he is.
BACCANO OST IN THE BEGINNING?? Baccano is one of my favorite anime, so I was happy to hear it hear lol
When you made the distinction between attack and speed energy, you have to remember that kinetic energy is mass times speed, kinetic energy being basically attack energy. So you could argue that Pucci has theoretically infinite attack potency, there's nothing in part 6 that would contradict that
having infinite energy doesnt mean your own body can handle its power
the only thing i could say about Kars is that he could maybe become a stone human, because technically they are an species of animal on earth, which could unlock a whole new set of possibilities
rock humans are silicon-based which might prevent him from becoming one. i don’t think rock humans would offer any advantages not provided by other animals
Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't pucci also stop or slow down time if he wanted? it just wasn't necessary for his goal at the time.
Also, king crimson has some terrible durability feats and average ap feats. He is only ever shown donuting people off guard, which josuke can do casually, except he's never shown that he can do a punch rush like CD or SP. And when GER was punching king crimson, it was falling apart while diavolo was barely bleeding.
True. While Stands stats can't be taken too seriously, King Crimson had a Durability of E, which is the lowest you could get. Perhaps that's why he attacks from behind and after using Time Skip, since he wouldn't last long in a regular fight.
@@lisboah yeah, they are kinda a joke know, but I like to see king crimson's weak durability as representative of diavolo's fragile mind and snapping when he's caught of guard.
This is wrong on multiple levels.
1st of all: There's no such as a durability stat in Jojo. The actual stat that is being measured is the Stand's persistance, which refers to how much a Stand can use it's ability without getting drained.
2nd of all: Claiming that KC has bad durability feats is blatantly wrong.
King Crimson has canonically been attacked two times in this series. The first time, he received an elbow strike by Sticky Fingers, in which he tanked the hit like nothing. The second time was against GER, where King Crimson received a punch barrage from it.
As we saw earlier, GER's mere *flick* from it was enough to collspse *an entire pillar.* Logically, a punch barrage should be much, much, MUCH more damaging than that. Yet guess what? *King Crimson tanks the majority of that punch barrage and is still able to stand.* So now, i'll ask you a sincere question: If King Crimson is that much brittle as you're making it out to be, then how the fuck is this scene even possible?
Therefore, i hereby claim that the quote "King Crimson has terrible durability" is absolute and utter *bullshit.*
@@Wattson19 Firstly, I never talked about the stand stat's durability/persistence. Second, the only reason he's left standing is because he has the death loop, so him surviving the punch barrage isn't a durability feat at all. Also GER didn't physically flick the stone, it used telekinesis to shoot it. That's like saying because Tatsumaki can casually throw buildings her punches are building+ level.
You say you are looking at a in-character scale of them rather than a raw power scale, and then you proceed to put Diavolo in low B simply because we "dont have enough stats". He has two VERY powerful abilites which compliment each other even better. He is a very cautious, smart and skilled fighter. I'd like to point out that he beat he part 5 protagonists team in the battle of who reaches the arrow first. He ONLY lost because the arrow didnt find him worthy, and thus Giorno got the requiem AFTER Diavolo had already pierced KC with the arrow. We established that he is massively faster then the speed of light, he can chop people in half with one punch and also punch a hole through their body with one punch. Since he also has an A in destructive power he must be slightly below star platinum in terms of strength. Diavolo should be placed higher.
Question about Pucci's attack potency. Couldn't he theoretically have infinite momentum based power since he has infinite speed? Also, how would it interact with D4C Love Train? I assume getting killed and then reincarnated is a misfortune, but I could be wrong.
I think because how fast he moves and that love train is dimensional Pucci could go straight through at max speed as he can reset the universe.
mih doesnt have infinite speed he just has continiously increasing speed thats why jotaro could react it
For the record I think that Johnny could body Tooru too. Since Soft and Wet: Go Beyond is essentially baby Tusk: Act 4 with far more ammo that Josuke can't aim. Infinite spin techniques in general are methods to defeat Wonder of U I believe. The infinite attack power they provide seems to exist above time and space universally: Ball breaker, tusk, go beyond etc.
can johnny launch a infinite spin before calamity reaches him?
His infinite spin exists, the reason go beyond works is because it doesn't exist, so calamity doesn't effect it.
@@ProjektTaku I would say no. Johnny can certainly still succumb to calamity. He has a perfect attack but he's definitely not perfect in every way. However wouldn't the same be true for Josuke? We've seen that he's still able to be killed by calamity too despite Go Beyond. He was emitting the transcendent bubbles even before he got a grasp on them and was still getting bombarded with misfortune. Unless you're saying Tusk Act 4 itself will be effected by Wonder of U in which case I'm not so sure.
@@blues4509 yes, josuke is affected, but his bubbles aren't, so when he tries to attack with the bubbles (which he can basically instantly send out), it bypasses calamity, which wouldn't happen with tusk act 4's infinite spin, especially since it requires a lot of circumstances and prep, which WOU wouldn't allow.
@@blues4509 When reading JoJolion a second time, I then realized that Johnny's death may have been a result of a calamity. Even though Tooru or Wonder of U weren't initially shown in the story, it doesn't mean that their influence wasn't existent. It was states in the manga that "All events are consolidating to this man." which is basically a heads up that Tooru was literally responsible for all the negative events occurring in JoJolion and even Steel Ball run. Also, Johnny's spin is very much existent, and the only reason Soft adn Wet: Go Beyond was able to bypass Tooru's calamity ability was due to the fact that is simultaneously didn't exist and existed at the same time. Imagine a "Go-Beyond" bubble as a one dimensional singularity point vibrating in space-time, making the illusion of a sphere. Singularity points in a one-dimensional space-time are completely immovable, in theoretical physics. Soft and Wet: Go Beyond's ability was inspired by string theory and one-dimensional singularity points. (If you still think that Johnny can beat Tooru in a stand fight after reading this comment, then you're in some Johnny-love-fantasy.)
@@ProjektTaku And the Golden Spin still exists under logic and reality, which Tooru with Wonder of U has complete control over.
If I recall correctly, it was established that each of Killer Queen's abilities is tied to a different hand. Bomb transmutation for his right, and Sheer Heart Attack for his left. After obtaining Bites the Dust, the hand that corresponded to SHA prior was visually conveyed to now correspond to BtD. Assuming my memory is correct, this could imply that BtD actually replaced SHA when he received a secondary dose of stand arrow.
BTD is his right hand like his Primary Bomb, SHA is his left.
I'm pretty sure he still has SHA, but, hard to tell since, y'know... it's useless, and never had a chance to use it when he was Kosaku.
In the Manga it was stated that "SHA would be useless against Josuke" during the final battle, which at least to me implies that he still has it.
@@fathermc249 After the fight with Jotaro Josuke just uses restoration to negate it making it Useless going forward.
@@mrfact03s There’s nothing that actually states that directly. Considering all the instances in which characters have gotten stand upgrades with abilities that didn’t seem to carry over, it’s more a general rule of thumb than it is an actual consistent thing.
It's stated in the Manga during a foot note, but Kira doesn't use SHA because Josuke can just revert it with a single punch and send it to his hand, so if he wasn't fighting Josuke at the end he probably would have used it.
13:48 Ok so I know it’s not cannon but in Jorge joestar, Kars not only copy’s stands by figuring them out, he also ultimates them, so for example the world turns in the the world ultimate which can freeze time for over an hour
What's your current opinion on Jodio? Personally he's a menace to society while his ability is underwhelming I wanna see more of it
Maybe he'll get an awakening just like tusk act 4 or soft and wet go beyond
I find nothing interesting or likeable about him. Every other JoJo made a better first impression on me. I'd have to see some real heroics that the Mainline JoJo's had to really overhaul my opinion of him. Dude's a lil hood rat and straight up sells drugs to kids. I mean, Giorno was a legitimate career criminal but at least he had a moral standing.
@@SirMoFoDans4 loser
@@SirMoFoDans4 I like him because he's more interesting than Giornio and also we have had 3 chapters with him. He can change and grow.
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Stands are not of alien origin, but the virus that can force a stand activation is of alien origin. Stands are a reflection of the user's spirit, and can occur with no outside intervention at all, and can form either natively, or as the culmination of a life's discipline, etc.
Hey Metas, how do you think King Crimson's Epitaph and Time Erasure/Skip would interact with Bites the Dust? Or really any of the time based abilities for that matter (The World and Stat Platinum's Time Stop or Made in Heaven's Time Acceleration)?
Like, could Diavolo skip time being reset by Bites the Dust with King Crimson and just continue it as if Bites the Dust was never activated? And could Star Platinum or The World stop time before Bites the Dust goes off (in Part 4, Jotaro never knew the ability existed, so he probably never thought to try it) if they knew about the ability? And could Made in Heaven just accelerate through Bites the Dust reseting time, or would it just be set back regardless of how fast it's accelerated time?
It will be very difficult to determine but if Diavolo got successfully subjected to BTD Diavolo will realize it with the help of Epitaph on when the exact moments of time he will need to skip to avoid fate of being in loop. Like imagine if the kid(forgot the name) have this kind of ability, he can easily bypass the loop of BTD he is on to and erase that destined second that he explode rendering the rewind useless cause that what really KC stands for to have freedom over fate and fate = time in jojo so.
In terms of Vampire Strength, it is somewhat detailed within part 2 before Santana's awakening and detailing how he shouldn't be able to escape from that N*zi prison.
At least in the VIZ translation: "According to Speedwagon...humans who wear the Stone Mask have their jumping ability increased to 5/8 meters, their punching power goes to 2000-4000 km/cm^2 and their leg strength increased 3 fold. Basically enough to destroy a 4 cm steel wall."
Perhaps a bit of a lowball but it's a more specific measurement at least lol.
Can you do a ranking video for the protagonists?
The only part where I think you're wrong is in Toru's stats. In terms of strength and speed and resistance Toru is actually probably the weakest villain. The thing is Wonder of U doesn't give a crap about stats.
Well to the Sheer Heart Attack take, its stated in the manga that this ability doesn’t work on josuke
6:56 there is no point during part 4 were kira had the need for sheer heart attack after it’s arc. He doesn’t right anyone until bites the dust, in which it’s much more powerful then sheer heart attack, and then fights Josuke who is a perfect counter to sheer heart attack.
The only part where you could argue he should’ve used it was in the fight against stray cat.
Can’t wait to see this
D4C love train misfortune redirection applies to attacks funny valentine makes as well, he scratches your finger? nah that is on your artery!
also D4C love train does change the terrain around funny valentine to be favorable potentially letting him hax wonder of you.
OMG FINALLY thank you
Just a point, but King Crimson does not speed scale to Silver Chariot, he is actually inferior to SC. He did manage to clown Polnareff but that was due to lack of intel on how his powers worked at the time and the inherit confusion caused by Time Erasure slowing his response time.
When he did know, the one time SC and KC clashed while he was in a wheelchair, SC out-sped and scored what could have been a fatal injury if Diavolo hadn't been cautious and limited the range he entered. Diavolo actually confirms this himself when Polnareff blind sliced his arm open, he could react to Erasure ending and counterattack before KC could hit him, which is why he blinded Polnareff with his blood so he couldn't counter effectively in that moment (he also tried using the same tactic on Giorno since he saw GER being faster than he was).
now the true question to ask. Could Tooru & the Wonder of U defeat every single stand user at once with the exception of Josuke (Soft & Wet Go Beyond). I think it'd be more like a manhunt scenario like "Something Something go defeat the head doctor" instead of everyone knowing that "hey, Tooru is here & go kill him"
He would kill everyone. Wonder of U is not bound to one place. He can be anywhere at once, maybe multiple places if I remember correctly.
@@SirMoFoDans4 I don't think WoU can beat Giorno with GER.
@@josukehigashikata9551 I think he was talking about everyone involved in The Wonder of U arc.
Giorno, Johnny and Gyro could probably bypass Calamity through negation or infinite spin shenanigans, although Johnny and Gyro would need a lot of luck to be able to charge their attacks before being attacked.
Rohan maybe could write something on himself or someone else so that way they don't acknowledge Toru's existence?
@@SirMoFoDans4 I meant every character from parts 1-8 with the exception of Josuke 8. So this would count Giorno with GER
20:30 "rain drops cutting you like butter" Rest in peace Blackmore "Catch the rainbow"
Funnily enough, Pucci easily stomps Funny Valentine due to his complete control of gravity. Yes, it takes gravity to surpass Love Train, not infinite energy, that was actively stated. D4C's parallel universe ability really doesn't matter, as Pucci could also just blitz him before he disappears within 2 objects.
well the thing is, pucci would only be able to speed blitz him that quick with mih, and can only control gravity with cmoon, so unless he can switch, which i dont think was ever stated, he would have to use gravity against valentine and then awaken into mih fast enough to kill, which i don't think could happen.
@thenewsanzplayz4738 well actually no, Pucci's direct words when he was unlocking Made In Heaven is that he obtained "the complete control of gravity" or "the power of gravity." That's one realistic way that Pucci could speed up time in the first place, via gravity
Dude. I've seen all Jojo parts and this is hands down the best antagonist power scaling tier list I've seen thus far. 100% agree. Though if Dio from Steel Ball Run were to be included, I'd possibly put him above D4C Love Train just cuz the combination of his wits and The World ability combined are basically godlike in power . . . Shame he got side-tracked by a beautiful woman with his severed head inside a bag.
Just imagine if part 9 villain is either stronger than Tooru or has a weak ability that counters Jodio's ability, and that's it.
what i think would be funnier than hypnosis just not working on diavolo because he's strong willed is diavolo and dopio constantly switching to avoid it
Wait, I'm actually a little confused about something. Stands are a character's fighting spirit given form. As proven with Holly in part 3, having a low or even nonexistent fighting spirit is liable to outright kill you if you obtain a stand.
Following this line of logic, how come Kira's stand is anywhere near as strong as it is when it's actively limited by Kira's unwillingness to actually fight and use it to its fullest potential? I'd struggle to call murdering people as quietly and easily as possible with no resistance "fighting", to be frank.
I'm pretty sure it's that fighting spirit doesn't necessarily mean "Fighting" spirit, as it's more talking about having a strong spirit and will.
Having a strong fighting spirit doesn't mean you *want* to fight, it means you aren't afraid to.
And that if you did fight, you wouldn't lose to anyone :^)
It's why Koichi's stand starts out as an egg and becomes more powerful as he becomes more independent. He has a strong fighting spirit, it's just shackled by his anxiety and low self esteem.
"Fighting" can also mean a lot of things. Pearl Jam developed because Tonio fought to be the best chef he could be, he has no desire to actually fight people. Heaven's Door was the same way. It's more "determination" than "fighting spirit" I guess.
Stand lore makes no sense and has many inconsistencies it’s kinda funny
Well to be fair on Kira, he does use projectiles with his bomb ability (such as Stray Cat's bubbles or coins), but even then the other Stand user main antagonists have better experience against other Stand users and quite literally all outdo him in terms of stats, hax, and overall fighting ability even without a Stand, I'd also like to note Diavolo's stats make no sense especially his "Permanence" stat being and E, reason being is that it can take blows from itself and from Stands as powerful as Sticky Fingers, in terms of speed SF is as fast if not a little faster than Gold Experience but having destructive power closer to something like Crazy Diamond or The Hand (in physical power), Silver Chariot is also a great example of speed if you consider it should be faster than in part 3 (since it's an older and more experienced Polnareff), there's a possibility it's faster and stronger than before even with it's armor on it's an FTL-MFTL Stand that on it's own is capable of fighting Stands on it's level or above it, I would personally consider it a speed feat for King Crimson to cut off Polnareff's limbs seeing as Silver Chariot couldn't react to it, in both fights between the two it ended in Diavolo's win even with Polnareff knowing the ability and I think it's really downplayed how powerful Stands are in part 5 (aside from GER and Chariot Requiem), also I wish we had more with Trish and her Stand cause it was only really used once and from the little we got of it, we'd probably have had a different ending if she had more time to develop with her abilities.
I don't think the speed is the most dangerous thing about Made in Heaven in fact I feel that Pucci is actually the most powerful and untouchable character in the series and that is because once he reaches heaven and accelerates to the next universe it is already predetermined by fate that he cant be killed as the new universe follows the same history as the one before and because he didn't die in the one before he just cant be killed in this one as well.
Fate is meant to be the strongest and the most undeniable force but Pucci is already guarded by it. It is also evident that Made in Heaven is the only stand that can alter fate itself, so he can kill others before they are fated to die. Pucci was defeated as a result of his own actions, he altered fate accidently pushing the Weather Report disc to Emporio which could not be done by someone who cant change fate as Emporio already had a stand. He changed fate accidentally giving Emporio a second stand and that mistake of his own action had fate favour Emporio, through one action in changing Fate it changed almost entirely for 2 people.
Yeah, well GER and King Crimson are above fate.
@@sirjoesphjoestar8361 King Crimson is not above fate, Diavolo believed that he had fate on his side and he was able to avoid it but fate caught up to him. GER is not above fate either because it is the truth and how fate intends to be that's why Diavolo couldn't avoid it.
("Stands of Alien Orgins and kars can't match them.") Run that back, life on earth is uncertain. Their exist panspermiathe, theory that life on the earth originated from microorganisms or chemical precursors of life present in outer space and able to initiate life on reaching a suitable environment. Kars is the idea of evolution, that's what makes him the ultimate lifeform and stands follow the concept of evolution as well. That explained his ability to copy and ultimate them like he did in the novel.
Agreed with everything except Diavolo , I believe his epitaph and time erasure is too op , I think he states higher than Dio , right he doesn't have enough feats but he has enough stats for us to know he can match dios speed and he can have one hit kills as we saw him creating donuts which makes him higher than Dio for me
Diavolo beats everyone but tooru and maybe pucci and i stand by that. As much as i love him, i dont even believe valentine can beat him
@@seanbryant5230 Please explain how his punches will kill Kars. Also how will he kill Funny when Funny just replaces himself? Also how will he survive when Dio (part 3) survives his first attack thanks to regen, stops time, and chops Diavolo's head off? Also Pucci *definitely* beats him. If SP couldn't catch MiH without timestop AND Anasui's help, then Diavolo stands no chance. He's strong but people overhype Epitaph to an absurd degree. Also his stats flat out kinda suck. He donuts people? Okay he only does that when he has the element of surprise and people like Josuke can do that casually. Speed? Without time skip, Polnareff cuts him to ribbons. And don't get me started on his range/durability.
@@seanbryant5230Diavolo was almost a polnareff victim what are you yapping about 😭
@@AmericanBrit9834 hes only deafeating pt3 dio cant diavolo just see in future when dio will stop time then just erease time, how can dio hit him, but at the same time i dont think diavolo can kill dio cuse hes vampire
@@boca1937 Theoretically, Diavolo can kill DIO by destroying his brain. It's just that DIO killing Diavolo is the much more likely scenario. Diavolo can't skip time forever and the war of attrition is not on his side.
Imagine hearing
DIRTY DONE DEED DIRT CHEAPS
and seeing a bunny teporting you and him to another timeline and you getting crush by you'r other self
I'd argue that Diavolo could go above Dio.
It all depends if the stopped time affects the length of the erased time.
I think it doesn't happen because the stopped time is a timeframe which subjectively exists only for the time stoppers. Everything they do within that timeframe would happen in that 0,000...1 second for everyone else or for the world itself if this makes sense.
This would mean the following:
1. The fight starts.
2. Epithaph shows that for a moment Dio will be in 20 places at once, doing several things. Like a picture in which you copy-paste Dio all over the place.
3. King Crimson erases said time, nullifying every effect within the stopped time.
4. Diavolo gets behind Dio and attacks as usual.
The only way I could imagine Diavolo losing (if my interpretation of how their time abilities work together) is if Dio is fast enough to notice the attack and counter-attack so fast Diavolo can't react, defeating him.
thing is thats exactly how the fight would go. Dio maybe a vampire but everyone seems to forget dio's body is incredibly weak and can't regenerate normally. Diavolo punches are strong enough to obliterate a human body with just a chop. diavolo doesn't take chances in the slightest he always uses epitaph because he can always spam it alongside king crimson. and the major amount of confusion he'd instill would be enough for dio to not notice the attack fast enough
sheer heart attack is shown to be useless against josuke as he just fixes sheer heart attack back to killer queens hand. plus stray cat's air bubbles and killer queens bomb coupled with atom heart father are a way more reliable way to deal with enemies since it cant be distracted with lighters and such
despite how weak killer queen is compared to other villain's stands, it's pretty impressive how long kira survived and frankly how well he did against the duwang gang.
7:04 Life damage reflection just like doping enemies up with too much life get countered a lot. The mold made the branches rot. What the hell was getting reflected by getting frozen? Giorno and those he heals are not living beings he gave life to, so the power doesn't work with them. And the Scorpion bit is an anime-only error, like Bulma's hair color in the Dragon Ball anime.
As for doping people with life. Choco amputated the part that got punched. The rest either avoided getting hit, were shielded from getting hit, or weren't living beings in the first place.
I think you kinda ranking these villains in just over combative ability when most JoJo fights are strategic and some fights aren't even actual fights. As you said Kira's stand and power's are literally designed to make him a sneaky serial killer. Kira doesn't really want to engage with someone head on unless he has to and rather do long range combat. He was literally gonna beat the part 4 group with bites the dust if his luck didn't run out and the ambulance came.
@Star-Universe-Requiem nah he would of won. He simply won't engage the group. He didn't even want to fight the group the first time, Kira got the groups when he was speaking to hayoto.
@Star-Universe-Requiem the whole theme of Kira's defeat was his good luck finally ran out.
I once did an OC stand user that had the stand Forever Young...which was a shield that could protect the user from literally everything.
If you think about it since stands get stronger the more you train them Diavalo could've possibly fulfilled Dio's plan to accelerate time (diavolo would really have to spam King Crimson, but it might be possible)
The problem is that everyone would certainly die of old age before getting to the end of the universe.
Stands only get stronger with use when they have a high development stat, you can't just farm your stand to make it infinitely stronger, it has a limit.
7:05 I might be wrong, but didn’t Kira lose Heart Attack when he offed his own left hand?
It was restored back to him when Josuke healed it back to Kira's body