JoJo Main Antagonists Ranked From Weakest to Strongest

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  • @CuriousInLCL
    @CuriousInLCL ปีที่แล้ว +1866

    Oh wow! My favorite Jojotuber Kaleb I.A just uploaded!

    • @justsomeguywholovesberserk6375
      @justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      Damn Bro why you gotta roast him like that

    • @sebalazo2211
      @sebalazo2211 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      💀⚰️

    • @thoppann9040
      @thoppann9040 ปีที่แล้ว +102

      Nah fr sometimes if I'm not paying attention and one of METAs video plays after Kaleb's I dead don't notice 😂 they have somewhat similar voices or I guess speech pattern?

    • @koichiechoes
      @koichiechoes ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nahhhh bro burned the guy to the ground 💀⚰

    • @raucuschart8150
      @raucuschart8150 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@thoppann9040 nah they fr have such similar voices

  • @michaelsipes1538
    @michaelsipes1538 ปีที่แล้ว +1521

    I love the crazy power scaling in jojo. The weakest main villain by far is an immortal vampire

    • @Lazar-TS
      @Lazar-TS ปีที่แล้ว +78

      Part 1 Dio is debatable, but Part 3 DIO sure as hell ain't the weakest...

    • @michaelsipes1538
      @michaelsipes1538 ปีที่แล้ว +163

      @@Lazar-TS of course, then, I would call part 3 Dio an immortal time-stopping vampire

    • @thedarknessinthelight9824
      @thedarknessinthelight9824 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Lazar-TS Did you watch the video before making that comment?

    • @Lazar-TS
      @Lazar-TS ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@thedarknessinthelight9824 Who says I agree with the video?

    • @thedarknessinthelight9824
      @thedarknessinthelight9824 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Lazar-TS I didn't say you agreed with the video. All I know is that if you watched the vid, you'd know that Part 3 Dio was ranked high on the tier list

  • @rai_edits
    @rai_edits ปีที่แล้ว +3282

    Part 9 antagonist boutta go past tooru in like so many ways. Knowing araki💀💀💀

    • @zalabit927
      @zalabit927 ปีที่แล้ว +599

      Imagine a Stand itself as the main villain, having killed its user. To be honest, that's one of the things that i expected from Tooru, or 2 stand users.
      Goddamn so much wasted potential🗿

    • @samuelrodriguez5282
      @samuelrodriguez5282 ปีที่แล้ว +451

      Pretty sure part 9 villain is Ezra Miller

    • @justsomeguywholovesberserk6375
      @justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 ปีที่แล้ว +156

      Imagine Part 9 Villain just has the gag abilities like the mask and can virtually do anything it can in a ridiculous way

    • @owenbridgers
      @owenbridgers ปีที่แล้ว +104

      Jodio getting to Outerversal lets go

    • @MarchingDreams
      @MarchingDreams ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@zalabit927 wouldnt the stand dissapear if the user dies though?

  • @Eterco
    @Eterco ปีที่แล้ว +1819

    I'm pretty sure I heard the reason Kira stops using SHA in the final fight is because Josuke just has to whack it once and make it completely irrelevant, as exemplified at the end of the SHA arc.

    • @justsomeguywholovesberserk6375
      @justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 ปีที่แล้ว +256

      Exactly What's stopping Koichi from using gravity on it and then Josuke touching it and then going back to Kira

    • @noahabella
      @noahabella ปีที่แล้ว +369

      The reason he stopped using it is that it would be less than worthless. If Josuke fought it Yoshikage would have his location revealed. If Okuyasu fought it Kira would just lose a hand.

    • @Drip_Wooper
      @Drip_Wooper ปีที่แล้ว +163

      @@noahabella oh yeah right, I never stopped to think about that, Okuyasu would one shot SHA too... everyone in the duwang gang except Jotaro did, and I bet if jotaro could have a rematch against it without Koichi being there and he already knowing how it works, Jotaro would've absolutely demolished it... Kira stopped using it because the specific group of protagonists he was fightning against all hard-counter his abilities
      I think if it was against the Part 5 gang he could have a better chance... part 3 gang (the crusaders) probably could defeat it too just because of Avdol

    • @neoramaredzone8544
      @neoramaredzone8544 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      Can’t killer queen only have one bomb active at a time anyways

    • @armedmonkey5846
      @armedmonkey5846 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      It's like Jogo in JJK. It is comically busted and deffo a top tier. But it just so happened to have the worst matchups. Place SHA in any other part aside from maybe 6 and it wipes out the main chars easily.

  • @YamaMaharaja
    @YamaMaharaja ปีที่แล้ว +774

    If I'm not mistaken, in one of the Jojonium books, Araki mentioned that if Kars was to learn of Stands, he could create one... Which is scary because we can only imagine how busted his Stand or Stands might be .. let's thank Araki he BFR'd Kars. Permanently.

    • @kaybee328
      @kaybee328 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      that's horrifying-imagine if he has like every stand power /in/ him like one of the Ben 10,000s because they're basically their own user which has DNA which etc.

    • @YamaMaharaja
      @YamaMaharaja ปีที่แล้ว +86

      @@kaybee328 Because of that, I think that's why Araki had to use dumb luck against his ego to remove him because if Kars stayed around, then no Stand or their User would like stand against him easily or at all.

    • @projekttaku1
      @projekttaku1 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      imagine kars actually makes the meme a reality and goes "So its the same type of stand as mine."

    • @onerandomdude4015
      @onerandomdude4015 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      That's basically what happens in the Jorge joestar novel, in it he basically has every stand buffed to an absurd degree, i.e. being able to activate BTD and GER at will, while retaining none of the weaknesses that the stands may have had

    • @simpleyetmisunderstood7495
      @simpleyetmisunderstood7495 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not canon

  • @animefan77
    @animefan77 ปีที่แล้ว +581

    Kira is what you gave one of the minor villains with a standard power the big bad role for his part- he’s definitely a lot smarter with his use of it but he’s still not a top-tier threat. He’s used to being a serial killer that uses the element of surprise to get the drop on his enemies. So he’s not used to the unorthodox stand battles that the others are. Which is why a lot of his powers are good at killing those unaware or normal muggles but very impractical if you can get past the initial shock.

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I also like how all the characters that want to interrogate Kira figure out Kira is related to Hayato on their own, meaning Hayato can play off of the fact that he let information about him slip to make Kira arrogant.

    • @lisboah
      @lisboah ปีที่แล้ว +50

      We have to take into account that Kira: a) wanted a quiet life and b) till he found Shigechi, he had no idea that other people could also have stands. Killer Queen had a powerful ability, but Kira never developed beyond that simply because he never found the need to do so.

    • @C0RNELIS
      @C0RNELIS ปีที่แล้ว +18

      + Kira had so much Luck. Fate was most of the times on his side

    • @kojoattah3987
      @kojoattah3987 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@C0RNELIS *LOOKS LIKE FATE HAS SIDED WITH YOSHIKAGE KIRA*

    • @lugaruclone
      @lugaruclone ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Kira is my favorite and I'm glad he ranked low. My favorite stand users are 'weak but clever' and while Kira is pretty strong and versatile... over estimating his powers would take away from him just having been really smart in how he used what he had.

  • @hellothere4964
    @hellothere4964 ปีที่แล้ว +333

    about the sheer heart attack part, kira didn't use it because he was fighting josuke who we have already seen can just completely negate it.

    • @welshlout3400
      @welshlout3400 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      That's a good point, and iirc it occupies Killer Queen's left hand, so imagine how even more outboxed he'd be by Crazy Diamond. If he could have it deployed concurrently without any drawbacks, it might be a different story. It'd be a useful distraction at least.

    • @straightestman
      @straightestman ปีที่แล้ว +2

      would probably still be a good distraction though, almost like a 2v1

    • @hellothere4964
      @hellothere4964 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@straightestman he can just punch it once and restore it back

    • @DanilegoPlays
      @DanilegoPlays ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think he didn't use it anymore just because of Koichi right?

    • @Cl0wnMcCl0wnTheCl0wnSenior
      @Cl0wnMcCl0wnTheCl0wnSenior ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@DanilegoPlays not just because of koichi, litterally any of the morioh warriors can counter it, albeit rohan might falter to it

  • @animefan77
    @animefan77 ปีที่แล้ว +772

    Tooru literally has a power to one shot anyone passively- as the slightest inclination about knowing him in your thoughts will kill you and he has ways to make sure you focus on it even if you don’t want to. It becomes clearer and clearer as the fight goes on that it’s not just a jinx power but a metaphysical law of causality he’s using- leading to a Deus Ex machina needed to even weaken him enough for a kill- and even then his Stand still lingers on long enough to be a threat. And the Stand is sentient enough to function without his user and have countermeasures in case his usual powers don’t work. It’s a true hellish struggle just to get that one blow to kill him as anything else would be rendered ineffective. Part 9 is going to have a momentous effort to come up with something even more powerful and live up to.

    • @asifhossain8363
      @asifhossain8363 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@cosmicplastoidmatter no

    • @callmejacob33
      @callmejacob33 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      so far we had villains with abilities that work within logic or in case of WoU an ability that controls logic, so I believe to top that the next villain would need to have an ability that goes beyond logic, somethin like S&WGB

    • @Her0the_1
      @Her0the_1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just don't think he could kill Dio tho unless ofc during the night

    • @vominomi
      @vominomi ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Part 9 wont have to come up with something even more powerful because JoJo isn't Dragon Ball, there's no linear power creep. Kira wasn't stronger than DIO in a 1v1 situation, in Part 7 Diego beat Johnny Joestar using The World a Stand of the main villain from Part 3, etc.
      A JoJo villain has to be powerful enough to be a huge threat to the main cast of his part, he doesn't have to be superior to all the other villains from the past.

    • @wonderofu4229
      @wonderofu4229 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @vominomi I can totally agree with this statement despite the fact it would be cool to see a stronger ability than wonder of u but that's just my opinion

  • @kakashilover9231
    @kakashilover9231 ปีที่แล้ว +464

    I am currently half way through part 8 and have loved it so far. It's weird to think people don't like this part, although I heard that it was the ending that people don't like

    • @bootysensei
      @bootysensei ปีที่แล้ว +73

      Yeah, *everyone* loved Part 8 until about halfway.

    • @kakashilover9231
      @kakashilover9231 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bootysensei oh
      Uh oh

    • @justsomeguywholovesberserk6375
      @justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 ปีที่แล้ว +154

      Part 8 is easily the most bizzare part in my opinion, and that's saying something considering the series already bizzare

    • @shapurnicu
      @shapurnicu ปีที่แล้ว +55

      It falls off about half way(although it’s still enjoyable) but in the last few chapters it’s phenomenal

    • @overlookers
      @overlookers ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Jojolion is *G0LD* for 52 chapters and then it's ass

  • @ben-ty9jo
    @ben-ty9jo ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Idk how Tooru will even be topped. His power is literally just "you just die lmao"

  • @animefan77
    @animefan77 ปีที่แล้ว +293

    Kars was initially implied to be weaker than Wamuu as the former’s blades while skilled were not as powerful as the latter’s finishing move and makes up for it by being very intelligent long term. Kars then more than makes up for it by becoming the ultimate life form- not only gaining the top stats and the abilities of every earth animal to exist- but he gains a superior version of his kind’s weakness to exploit it on his enemies. If he were around the time Stands become more prominent, he’d easily have a very broken one- which is explored to ridiculous lengths in the Jorge novel. Thankfully, blind luck manages to literally blast him out of the story to make him a floating rock that went braindead after going insane from the isolation of space. He’s the top of the earthly forces as the remaining three are truly metaphysical and/or literally godlike in nature.

    • @Prodigal_Knight
      @Prodigal_Knight ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Nah if he was around in the when stands first appeared. He would get claped by every main villians stand. Even kiras. He is the ultimate life form. But stands aren't life forms and in most cases surpass them. For example all kira would have to would be to touch kars with his stand.(Which is invisible to him by the way)and blow him up and he will be erased out of existence. His healing factor would be totally useless too as he would be decomposed to a molecular level. The only way he would be able to stay relevant is if he were to get a stand of his own.

    • @matt8258
      @matt8258 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      @@Prodigal_Knight which is what this person is saying, kars would evolve to have a stand if he met someone actively trying to use one against him

    • @Prodigal_Knight
      @Prodigal_Knight ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@matt8258 if he manages to survive the encounter that is and find a stand arrow.

    • @Ghoul132
      @Ghoul132 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@Prodigal_Knight 🤓Actually if you were a real jojo fan you would know that light novel kars was able to adapt his body and had up to seven stands at once + could adapt to Requiem and further (due to stronger dosage of the virus arrow) 🤓

    • @ber093
      @ber093 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Ghoul132the light novel isn’t canon

  • @404FinallyFound
    @404FinallyFound ปีที่แล้ว +176

    The thing about sheer heart attack is that almost all of the morioh warriors counters it. Okuyasu could just erase it, joskue can send it back to kira’s hand, koichi can use 3 freeze or act 2, and jotaro can time stop and light something on fire like we see in the original heart attack fight. Rohan is basically the only one that can’t do anything against it (assuming he isn’t able to do something like write “I am not the hottest thing in the area” or something like that)

    • @chinyereugwu9431
      @chinyereugwu9431 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Lighting a fire and freezing aren't a counter to SHA, They are just momentary halts that can be easily overcome as we saw happen in the series. Those two weren't able to defeat SHA. Jotaro and Koichi were both beaten by SHA

    • @pickle5337
      @pickle5337 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      ​​@@chinyereugwu9431 Jotaro could just throw SHA away from him forever and stop time when it approaches as he has at the beginning of the fight, he only ever lit a fire to save Koichi. Jotaro didn't have a problem with SHA he just couldn't beat it, but he wasn't in any danger.

    • @Brizz979
      @Brizz979 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@chinyereugwu9431 they got rekt because of koichi

    • @ac-yt786
      @ac-yt786 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Rohan is always the hottest thing in the area

    • @mal3613
      @mal3613 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Brizz979 Fr, and jotaro was only experimenting with it 💀

  • @hoppefrosk
    @hoppefrosk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    I'd like to imagine that Wonder of U would just make Lovetrain's effect redirect the misfortune... to Valentine.
    So of all the times and places the damage *could* go... it just goes to Valentine anyways, due to the logic of calamity.

    • @funnybones98
      @funnybones98 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yeah, although idk if that's possible since Love Train is a literal barrier, meaning it CANNOT hit him. Thematically it works though

    • @austinaldy2150
      @austinaldy2150 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The whole point of light barrier is redirecting misfortune, but since Tooru's stand defied any logic, the whole calamity would just moving around and accumulating. I can imagine Valentine could survive as long as he is activating light barrier, once he shut it down the whole calamity that accumulated will one shot him. A single dust powered by accumulated calamity could enter his nose and obliterated Valentine's lung from inside.

    • @welenegu
      @welenegu หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think love train would redirect the calamity to someone else on earth, that’s all

    • @gamingmoyai3950
      @gamingmoyai3950 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s just energy ball tennis but with LT and WOU bouncing cars back and forth.

  • @purplehaze2358
    @purplehaze2358 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    I feel like, if Part 3 Dio still had access to some of the wilder vampiric abilities he had in Part 1, he'd automatically be a lot higher. In particular, Space Ripper Stingy Eyes could easily cover for the one major weakness of The World; that being his limited range.

    • @woomyboy98
      @woomyboy98 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      None of those abilities would help him against anyone above him on the list. Funny Valentine is immune to all damage except spin based attacks, Pucci is much faster than Dio and can perceive stopped time (although he can not move in it), and Tooru has WoU enough said. Even with those abilities he wouldn't even be able to beat Ultimate Kars because piller men are naturally superior to vampires and Ultimate Kars is a piller man (and all of life) on steroids.
      Edit: Dio's knives pretty much served the purpose of Space Ripper Stingy Eyes and he still couldn't beat Jotaro due to his over confidence.

    • @purplehaze2358
      @purplehaze2358 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@woomyboy98 I didn't say otherwise though? I'm just saying it'd make him stronger than he is as-is, not necessarily stronger than the others on the tier list. Due apologies for the poor wording.

    • @lisboah
      @lisboah ปีที่แล้ว +8

      In the Over Heaven novel (which is not canon), he says that those abilities would be useless in a fight between stands. But his "laser" eyes surely would have cut both Jotaro and Star Platinum in half if he had used it.

    • @METAsMETAs
      @METAsMETAs  ปีที่แล้ว +14

      This I agree with

    • @kilzfordays
      @kilzfordays ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Another thing is that it is always forgotten that Diavolo is able to move around his soul independently somehow. Just some food for thought for an extra power

  • @lastfirst2510
    @lastfirst2510 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    The reason Kira stopped using Sheer heart attack at the end was because josuke can just fix it back to his hand

  • @lolno6975
    @lolno6975 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    The worst part about WoU is that it doesn't even need "intention" behind it. Essentially if you have ANY form of "pursuing" the head doctor/Tooru, it affects you. This means that EVEN THINKING about who the head doctor might be, even a glancing thought will have you attacked by WoU with instantaneous velocity and expeditious intention
    Personally I still think that MiH is the most broken stand WHEN PAIRED WITH THE USER. People aren't understanding fully how smart Pucci is. He out-brained Jotaro and the entire part 6 cast at the same time on the go, no prep time. I feel that Puccis IQ can easily bring him a win against D4C:LT and even WoU

    • @c5h87
      @c5h87 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      "yo doc you dropped this pho-"

    • @AugustusOctavian843
      @AugustusOctavian843 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      He gets clapped from both

    • @AugustusOctavian843
      @AugustusOctavian843 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      You must be forgetting you cant do anything to valentine while love train is up since an attack is misfortune

    • @lolno6975
      @lolno6975 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@AugustusOctavian843 MiH vs D4C:LT, if Valentine leaves LT at all, he dies. So it's either a stalemate or a win for Pucci as he won't attack the literal wall of infinite luck
      MiH vs WoU, Pucci can just pursue the Head Doctor. Infinite speed+infinite reactions, it really depends on when Pucci realises that the damage from calamities is amplified, which won't take long for him to figure out. Beating Tooru is tough as even attacking him would be hard (he will hide like a smart pussy) but then Pucci can just wait. Yes he's a rock human BUT he also has a persona to uphold, so he can't stay in 1 location eternally. And I doubt that it will take long or any real effort for Pucci to find an area where calamity cannot indirectly attack him, so he has time to avoid it. I mean he literally found a way to achieve heaven based off of cryptic sentences left by a vampire I think he will easily be able to outsmart Valentine and Tooru easily

    • @tobiasriley9420
      @tobiasriley9420 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@lolno6975 The problem this logic is that another Valentine will take the first Valentine place, what stopping Valentine from calling in a another Pucci, Pucci when fighting WOU should get killed because the calamities speed is also increased, and Tooru is not the one Pucci should be worrying about it should instead be WOU itself.

  • @Gritt_1
    @Gritt_1 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Diavolo can spam time erase just how he did it with every step he took while getting to trish in the elevator, meaning he can become intangible whenever he wants and literally can counter time stop, has epitaph which is pretty self explanatory of why he should be higher.

    • @jackstar7204
      @jackstar7204 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Though he is vulnerable for a short sec as Polnareff was able to harm him.

    • @NostalgicOccultist
      @NostalgicOccultist ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Theoretically he still loses, you can't erase time when it's stopped on account of not being capable of thought or recognition of time being stopped. Which means if he doesn't make the very first move he gets one shotted by any time stopper. The second issue: King Crimson is so much slower than Star Platinum and The World that they could instantly block his attacks out of erased time. It'd be like a snail teleporting behind you and trying to reach you, you're easily fast enough to realize it's there, look at it, and move away from it before it can actually do anything.
      Epitaph doesn't help either, if you know a beam of light is coming towards you a few seconds ahead of time you're still too slow to do anything about it, knowing an attack you can't dodge is coming doesn't change the fact that you can't dodge it. Seeing the future doesn't give you the power to change it, and knowing an attack is coming doesn't make you fast enough to avoid it. He just lacks the raw speed and power to be competitive with the others.

    • @leandroandong7400
      @leandroandong7400 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@NostalgicOccultist dude epitaph is able to see even in time is erased why can't epitaph do it in time only pause for few sec.
      You see in Jojo it doesn't matter if you have timestop as long as your enemy is also time related stand they can pretty much counter it even just by being conscious like they were able to avoid fatal attack like Pucci and Jotaro. What more to someone who is able to see future and use it where time doesn't exist.

    • @leandroandong7400
      @leandroandong7400 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​​​@@NostalgicOccultist
      King Crimson is a perfect ability for anyone who wants to be a cryptic assassin who can kill without any trace. The ability to see absolute future and determine what moments of those future you will delete and what you will left behind as a result by erasing time. If he see a future where it is undesirable he will just erase time move to favorable position be 10 sec exempted to fate. And if the future is favorable to him he will just erase time of those process and leave the luckiest result for him so he doesn't have to wait for and leave any evidence cause even if he didn't move fate itself will do the work for him. Like him in Elevator scene he erase the moments he confront them and leave the result of him having Trish.
      The only problem I can see to KC is it needs a certain range to do his deathchop attack to successfully kill its opponent without being recognized that they are being attack. So if his enemy have an ability to kill someone that gets too close like Rissotto or Tooru then it suck cause he can only attack after those 10 sec of erased time, so that 1 sec attacks needs to be instantaneous as much as possible only fraction of sec before the enemy realize that he was being attacked.
      And don't forget he can also confused his enemy by projecting their future using epitaph.
      Diavolo has a high chance against 95% of stand users. Remember that all villains are blessed by fate itself cause time = fate in Jojo.
      And an ability to remove yourself from fate in Jojo is so busted you can see the future and also unravel your enemy stand ability by observing their action in erased time for another 10 sec while you are the only one who can move freely while the rest are moving to their predetermined actions are nuts.
      Especially if he use this in more of 1v 1 style and assasination style, in part 5 no one really can go against him 1 on 1, he was pursued by gang and still able to kill 3 of them and in final battle Fate still favors him because he is destined to donut Giorno and it is truth according to GER himself but GER is such a dues ex machina it is also free from fate allowing it to move in erased time and its ability to turn tho 4:22 se undesirable fate for Giorno into null.

    • @Gritt_1
      @Gritt_1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jackstar7204 when did it happen i dont seem to remember it?

  • @QuartzGolem
    @QuartzGolem ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Pucci likely beats all but the the top spot due to his raw speed. Even in the case of Funny, he can just leave and come back when he least expects it, his barrier isn't something passively active 24/7. Also, due to the way energy works, infinite speed means infinite AP if used correctly.

    • @sjor_the_viking
      @sjor_the_viking ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Wow, using science in a jojo debate... major points

    • @timdoe8895
      @timdoe8895 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      im pretty sure it doesn't work like that. Tusk act 4 has infinite everything. Strength, Speed, Force, etc his attacks even last forever while pucci just moves fast. Tusk act 4 is a straight up infinite constant of infinite strength. Pucci can't replicate that.

    • @NostalgicOccultist
      @NostalgicOccultist ปีที่แล้ว +13

      One problem, Pucci himself holds his stand back. He can't think anywhere near as fast as his stand moves and has to work around that with clever planning. You don't have to beat his stand, you just have to exploit the weakness of a mundane human.

    • @sirjoesphjoestar8361
      @sirjoesphjoestar8361 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@timdoe8895Well, first, Tusk doesnt have infinite everything, second, pucci is not inf speed, however he could easily kill funny valentine

    • @timdoe8895
      @timdoe8895 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sirjoesphjoestar8361 Yes he does. If he has Infinite speed than he has Infinite force therfore striking strength. If you wanna be specific than no he doesn't but effectively he does. I never said Pucci had Infinite anything.

  • @yourveryownlocalmoron6874
    @yourveryownlocalmoron6874 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Stands are not of an alien origin. The virus that brings out stands is, but stands themselves are part of a person's spirit, and we do know some (like Anubis) that existed long before the asteroid. So ULF Kars should technically be able to match and surpass every stand ability ever, scaling him above every single character in the franchise.

    • @Tomy-om9rs
      @Tomy-om9rs ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Yeah, The Reason Araki gives us that explanation in Part 5 wasn't to explain stands but to Explain the Arrows, stands existed since the start of the universe

    • @Wezlii530
      @Wezlii530 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Tomy-om9rs why would we need to know this?? No it was to explain where the arrows came from because if he left it ambiguous people would have questions

    • @Wezlii530
      @Wezlii530 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He wouldn’t see it therefore he can’t try to match what he can’t see and would get clapped by koichi

    • @yourveryownlocalmoron6874
      @yourveryownlocalmoron6874 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Wezlii530 While he could overpower what he can't see to an extent, his power of matching living beings isn't in any way dependent on vision.

    • @NostalgicOccultist
      @NostalgicOccultist ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Wezlii530 He would know they're there, he can sense the movement of all air molecules around him. He would be able to see the stands outline as it displaces air and go, "Ah, there is a thing there that normal mundane senses can't detect, I must evolve to account for this immediately." He would also know it's there when an invisible fist starts bouncing off of him like a moth hitting a light bulb. He doesn't even *need* to deal with the stand, he can just turn into a swarm of billions of carnivorous, venomous insects and cover every inch of his opponent. Unless he's fighting Vanilla Ice a stand isn't going to save you from billions of insects crawling into your skin and lungs.

  • @BloodMoonFT
    @BloodMoonFT ปีที่แล้ว +60

    D4C Is honestly my favorite stand in the entire franchise, you can do so many cool things with it and it's debut chapters STILL confuse me to this day even though I know how it works. I love it's design, and I can't wait to see how it's animated.

    • @kaybee328
      @kaybee328 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      honest I don't really get it myself. it just kinda seems like he can go to other universes and swap lives with them? like it kinda sucks from my opinion, but everyone says it's awesome. so, I guess I don't understand it?

    • @BloodMoonFT
      @BloodMoonFT ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@kaybee328 if you're smart you're essentially invincible, immortal, and I think being able to have an ability that's trans dimensional is just incredible.

    • @ijustbevibin0425
      @ijustbevibin0425 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BloodMoonFT too op tho my favorite so far (I’m on golden wind) is reverb I love when he uses his attacks and I love the way he looks

    • @Mickey_9.80
      @Mickey_9.80 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@BloodMoonFT lol bro leave it. He just isn't smart

    • @jackstar7204
      @jackstar7204 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@BloodMoonFT Also, you can effectively one shot EVERYONE by summoning an alternate self of them to collide and fizzle out of existence.

  • @1sdani
    @1sdani ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Araki didn't really throw damage reflection off to the side so much as he used its existence to force him to write villains that would fight Giorno through indirect methods, from AoE attacks like White Album or Green Day to non-damaging attacks like Baby Face or Man in the Mirror, to stealthy attacks like Soft Machine or Clash. It was less a power of Gold Experience and more a writing constraint of Golden Wind.

    • @thanatoast
      @thanatoast ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Yeah, same with the life shot ability. It became pretty much useless against most enemies Giorno faced either because they couldn't be hit directly (White Album, Oasis), were stand beings (Babyface, Black Sabbath, Notorious B.I.G.), managed to incapacitate Giorno first (Clash and Talking head) or were straight up not close enough to be hit directly until the fight was over (Green Day, Man in the mirror, also Clash and Talking head)

    • @1sdani
      @1sdani ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@thanatoast Also Life Shot was the final attack Giorno used. Gold Experience Requiem upgraded Life Shot to the point that it makes the victim's mind experience infinite time within the span of a single beatdown.

    • @thanatoast
      @thanatoast ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@1sdani Yeah, I guess that does make sense.

    • @spencerstrunk6819
      @spencerstrunk6819 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except that idea is out the window because if he just wore a, lets just say plain white T and pants, under his normal shirt and pants and turned that shirt into vines, then any attack done on him would bounce back to the attacker. Granted this would not work against White Ice but it would against enemy like Crush, that bit him in the neck which would be a part of the defence if he was smart, Green Day, that struck his body when they fought in person, Baby Face, if he struck anywhere on his body which he did during his fight, and probably other fights that this would apply. TBH part 5 is probably the worst part of JoJo, in terms of story, I have seen, but it has some of the best powers in the entire series, and characters that I have seen.

    • @1sdani
      @1sdani ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@spencerstrunk6819 Again, damage reflection wouldn't have been optimal for any of those fights.
      Baby Face never actually injured Giorno, he just turned Giorno's body parts into objects, such an "attack" wouldn't trigger damage reflection.
      Green Day is a colony stand, damage dealt to colony stands doesn't reflect damage back on their user, as seen with Bad Company, Harvest, etc.
      Clash is the one enemy where using damage redirection would work, but that'd mean that Talking Head's user would get away. Giorno wanted to take both of them out, and he acted accordingly.

  • @kitteh1
    @kitteh1 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    this is definitely the best villain power tierlist out there

    • @wonderland9601
      @wonderland9601 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah,valetine is tecnically imortal like dio and kars also tooru if he could make a even more advanced version of the rokakaka

    • @syrexlee2021
      @syrexlee2021 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tooru above Pucchi makes no sense… Diavolo is too low

    • @METAsMETAs
      @METAsMETAs  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@syrexlee2021 kinda curious what your reasoning is here?

    • @theoneaboveall1677
      @theoneaboveall1677 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@syrexlee2021 pucchi can't do shit against tooru lmfao Idk how you can think that pucchi actually ranks higher

    • @googlemee2371
      @googlemee2371 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theoneaboveall1677 yeah...pucci can't do anything against tooru. That's why he's...ya know, lower than him?

  • @XertiqWasTaken
    @XertiqWasTaken ปีที่แล้ว +25

    22:30 Kira accidentally cuts his finger with a butter knife while making breakfast while thinking of a way to approach the head doctor and splits in half like Katana Man

    • @deanfernandes7604
      @deanfernandes7604 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao, so Kira has a whole has monologue about how he's better then realises he has been been cut. I love how long it took for Katana Man to be cut after his clash.

  • @animefan77
    @animefan77 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Post Phantom Blood DIO has the benefits of both being a powerful vampire and having a Stand that is physically strong and has a potentially infinite amount of time stopping potential with no actual drawbacks that matter- which gives him a massive advantage over most Stand users. He falters due to himself ironically enough- never truly outgrowing his hubris that does him in- even as a literal physical god in a hypothetical game scenario. He’s very strong but his competition is the ultimate life form that he’s normally inferior against even when that individual was in his base power and people with truly metaphysical powers.

  • @troythefrog4084
    @troythefrog4084 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you for your hard work, we all appreciate it.

  • @tymoteuszmotyka2849
    @tymoteuszmotyka2849 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    "You never know how our abilities will interact" - Crocodile "One Piece"

  • @lukeladin
    @lukeladin ปีที่แล้ว +45

    If it takes infinite attack energy to attack love train, pucci should teoretically be able to do it, because he has infinite speed and force = mass * aceleration, if he punches valentine it would be an attack with infinite force, and force creates ennergy. Sorry for bad english for I am a Portuguese native speaker

    • @dr.fiction7
      @dr.fiction7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      That's what I was thinking. Of course, he still loses to Tooru via tripping on a pebble at lightspeed, but what can ya do

    • @saucevc8353
      @saucevc8353 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      His "speed" isn't really speed, it's more like slowing down his opponents through time manipulation. Same reason time stop doesn't give Dio or Jotaro infinite attack power, because they're not really moving faster just slowing everything else down.

    • @justtony3108
      @justtony3108 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@saucevc8353it literally is speed, manipulating through acceleration of basically all inanimate objects. No one is being slowed down they are just stuck at a constant while he and everything else gets faster

    • @saucevc8353
      @saucevc8353 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@justtony3108 He's not increasing their actual speed, but the speed they move through time. Simply increasing velocity doesn't make food rot faster or ink dry faster, and if the Earth itself really was spinning that fast so that the days lasted milliseconds, it would break apart completely.

    • @poopoo7107
      @poopoo7107 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@saucevc8353 that being said tho, force itself does get affected as we saw with the baseball and the cars just squashing the old lady during mih

  • @theunderscore001
    @theunderscore001 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The way i view Killer Queen is that he less-so makes "explosions", but rather implodes the opponent with a bomb-like effect. In this case, the 1st bomb would be an implosion (such as Shigekiyo dying without anybody noticing) and the 2nd bomb would be a more traditional explosion. I feel like this explains why he doesn't just start throwing many objects at people, though midway through writing this I do remember the coin bomb so im kinda regretting writing all this

  • @mjm3091
    @mjm3091 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Tbh, it is important to mention that when comparing the villains - you have to take in consideration, that if they were in the same situation and timeline - they all would act and adapt differently. In a world organised by stand users - DIO would activate The World earlier, making part 1 DIO almost the same as part 3 DIO (kinda making his entry on this list irrelevant, aside obviously just the sake of covering representative from each part).
    Kars as ultimate being - most likely would be able to adapt and create universal stand that adapts to the opponent.
    Mind you - stands can appear in people with extreme skills (like the chief from part 4 or Rohan). Kars being an ultimate being wouldn't be different. I mean he has been kinda predicting Joseph at the end - kinda mirroring the baby abilities of Hermit Purple.
    If Araki would ever bring Kars back - I wouldn't be suprised, if Kars didnt get a stand that can use any stand abilities or stand that can change it's abilities depending on the situation and opponent.
    And this way you could easily make him the strongest villain. But that probably also applies to any of the other villains or at least most of them. The main threat to their power making them evolve, ultimately all of them only losing to the fact that Fate prefers good over evil.

  • @brunomaples
    @brunomaples ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Enjoyed this video overall, But personally I feel like Love train's ability to deflect "Misfortune" Would apply to the flow of calamity as well. You mention a pebble already in the barrier, but the objects being "Knocked into" aren't what cause the damage, its the Flow of Calamity interacting with them. So if the pebble is in the barrier calamity couldn't get in. But I've only read parts 7 & 8 once each so I'm sure there's plenty I could be missing.

    • @BidoofSquad
      @BidoofSquad 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I feel like they’d cancel each other out

    • @BIGSHOT__
      @BIGSHOT__ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is one problem tho wonder of u doesnt "fight alone" he bring his own stage hazards xd

    • @nothingness4068
      @nothingness4068 หลายเดือนก่อน

      D4c needs to leave to attack. As soon as funny valentine puts his revolver out to shoot, the revolver explodes due to a malfunction and his whole arm is gone

  • @daaaark
    @daaaark ปีที่แล้ว +1

    props to you my man this video is so well made keep up the good work

  • @masternetboss2984
    @masternetboss2984 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve been waiting so long for this video :’)

  • @bencherbryant-48
    @bencherbryant-48 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The worst part about tooru is even if you manage to hurt/kill him it still triggers a Insta kill Both Kei & Kaato were dead before they even realized it

  • @personahearts358
    @personahearts358 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice vid, an amazing follow-up would be ranking every Jojo from weakest to strongest

  • @MagmaMKII
    @MagmaMKII ปีที่แล้ว +8

    New/SBR universe works on the idea of Feng Shui. Positive and negative energy, constantly moving, constantly shifting. Positive energy brings good fortune, negative energy brings misfortune/disaster/calamity. D4C Love Train and Wonder of U are polar opposites, in that one manipulates positive energy while the other manipulates negative energy.
    Following the example on the video, an attack against D4C Love Train is seen as negative, and thus is repelled away. As for Wonder of U, what it actually does is directly manipulate probability, as in, once you become its target it shifts the flow of negative energy so that disasters/calamities start hitting you.
    With all that said, what I want to get at is that, even thought it is so damn busted, Wonder of U wouldn't do a damn thing to D4C Love Train, because D4C Love Train is literally immune to its ability.

    • @serodio_petitseum
      @serodio_petitseum ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cetvrti_magi exactly

    • @serodio_petitseum
      @serodio_petitseum ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The fight would last until the entire population of earth dies then Valentine would end up dead,tbh the fight could probably be endless if he just kept spawning more versions of himself

    • @nogamer3033
      @nogamer3033 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Imagine Valentine and Tooru just staring at each other until one of them messes up🤣

    • @MagmaMKII
      @MagmaMKII ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's basically what would happen. Or they'd just decide to end at a stalemate.

    • @chrissy9997
      @chrissy9997 ปีที่แล้ว

      Feng Shui was definitely in the old universe in some capacity, otherwise we wouldn't have had the absolute joy that was Dragons Dream.

  • @troythefrog4084
    @troythefrog4084 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keep up the incredible and amazing work.

  • @helloyourdead3424
    @helloyourdead3424 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    How WOU vs any character would go:
    Char: think about wou
    Wou: ok soo you inhaled a dust particle, now I will break all of your bones and give you a heamorhage

    • @nothingness4068
      @nothingness4068 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also wou: so after you implode because of your dust algeries you also get hit by a earthquake

  • @BlueYYu
    @BlueYYu ปีที่แล้ว +10

    You forgot part 9s villain, Dionathan Brando.

  • @Emmetlovesredvelvet13
    @Emmetlovesredvelvet13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for not just saying diavolo erases time because it's so much more complicated yet most jojo fans don't take time to explain how it works. I really appreciate it man. as for my favorite of the JoJo villains thus far it's funny valentine I really enjoyed the wacky things he pulls off with d4c

  • @Super_Saiyan_Rainbow
    @Super_Saiyan_Rainbow ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Can’t wait to see this

  • @quietlifesanti2456
    @quietlifesanti2456 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    6:53 It's true there are a lot of cases where a ability is kind of forgot, But in kira's favor the only fight he has after his encounter with jotaro and koichi, was with josuke and remembering josuke can just punch Sheer Hear Attack away and send It back to Kira would just make It useless

    • @Cl0wnMcCl0wnTheCl0wnSenior
      @Cl0wnMcCl0wnTheCl0wnSenior ปีที่แล้ว +1

      what...... abilities being forgotten, no... never, where do you get that idea

    • @janstefaniuk2977
      @janstefaniuk2977 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cl0wnMcCl0wnTheCl0wnSenior didn't giorno's life form deflect get forgotten or was it used but i just don't remember it

    • @Cl0wnMcCl0wnTheCl0wnSenior
      @Cl0wnMcCl0wnTheCl0wnSenior ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janstefaniuk2977 yea.... u just dont remember it, araki would never forget an ability

    • @janstefaniuk2977
      @janstefaniuk2977 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cl0wnMcCl0wnTheCl0wnSenior well i guess ur right

    • @infinitynull9597
      @infinitynull9597 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@Jan Stefaniuk Here's the way to think about the damage reflection. It is not designed to be a suprise win condition, it is designed so other stand users can't counter gold experience by just punching what he creates. It isn't that the ability is unused, it's that enemy stand users don't attack his lifeforms and thus don't suffer the effects.
      It wasn't used later because ending every fight with "and the other person died because giorno lifted a spider in the way of the attack" could very easily be boring. The ability is best viewed as a wrinkle that forces enemies to deal with Giorno without just attacking his creations.
      The anime itself has an error (not found in the manga) where Diavolo stomps on a scorpion made by gold experience and isn't hurt, but the manga shows him removing the scorpion without hurting it. The storyboarder seems to have forgotten, but the author did not.

  • @RealHumanBean4U
    @RealHumanBean4U ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Yoshikage Kira is hesitant to use his Stand ability in a maximal way because he's trying to stay low and has been doing so for so long that he can't actually think ambitiously. Man is single goal oriented.

  • @radoslavlambrev6188
    @radoslavlambrev6188 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    OMG FINALLY thank you

  • @hiimaj1191
    @hiimaj1191 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video has gotten me fascinated with wonder of you

  • @zbroly9551
    @zbroly9551 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    *novel kars left the server*

  • @zakaryrichmond396
    @zakaryrichmond396 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    20:01 I did not realize until this exact moment but Wonder of you and bites the dust have similar ideas around them. In part 4 its "if they find out my identity they will explode and always explode" and for part 8 it's "if they want to know my identity they are doomed to death"

  • @michaelsipes1538
    @michaelsipes1538 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    BACCANO OST IN THE BEGINNING?? Baccano is one of my favorite anime, so I was happy to hear it hear lol

  • @antoni9790
    @antoni9790 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Kars being the ultimate lifeform makes him losing to a rock so much sense

  • @richard_pine
    @richard_pine ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The best way to win a fight is to deescalate it or avoid it entirely. Therefore, Kira is actually #1 for being able to avoid so many confrontations

  • @keecko8169
    @keecko8169 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I think what holds Kira back is out of all these stand users and really villians in general he's the least experienced, he didn't even know that stands were called stands, nor did he ever fight anyone remotely close to his level up until he was fighting with people stronger than him like Jotaro and Josuke

  • @justsomeguythatmanipulated1069
    @justsomeguythatmanipulated1069 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    AP: Multiversal for Tooru, I would say in terms of the potency he has logic on his side which is at least universal potency but attack power he’s possibly the weakest

  • @localmemeboi1443
    @localmemeboi1443 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Bro imagine Kars vs WoU. Kars charges at WoU and trips on a pebble and flies out of the fucking troposphere

  • @oliverp3545
    @oliverp3545 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think the problem with Kars is the fact that he physically surpasses stand users and after his first encounter with one would always just rush them before they can use their abilities, so unless you're talking about specific stands using BS (like instant death if someone sees your back) then he's uncontested.

  • @themenace2718
    @themenace2718 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I feel like there isn't really a scenario where made in heaven loses to D4C love train it's visually relatively obvious that love train barrier is generated by Lucy steel so poochie very likely will try to carry her away or kill her or destroy her or whatever but even if he didn't think of that D4C usually leaves the barrier to attack his opponents at which point he becomes vulnerable and Pucci would likely kill him.

  • @fearleschalenger8007
    @fearleschalenger8007 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    we love a tier list video

  • @christiancandelaria1411
    @christiancandelaria1411 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude. I've seen all Jojo parts and this is hands down the best antagonist power scaling tier list I've seen thus far. 100% agree. Though if Dio from Steel Ball Run were to be included, I'd possibly put him above D4C Love Train just cuz the combination of his wits and The World ability combined are basically godlike in power . . . Shame he got side-tracked by a beautiful woman with his severed head inside a bag.

  • @VivianKurayami
    @VivianKurayami ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One of the things I thought about toward the end of Jojolion is how, given Diavolo's nature and obsession to hide his identity, if he had Wonder of U he would've been impossible to beat - but he also would probably have a much harder time being a mob boss since I don't think Wonder of U would protect his own people.

    • @nachosrule6985
      @nachosrule6985 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Considering Poor Tom died right when he was about to give crucial information, yeah it's safe to say Diavolo's cronies aren't surviving.

  • @mally60
    @mally60 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You also have to think that made in heaven still has a high development potential. So if he had more time to develop then he could potentially be higher

  • @user-fc6hk4dd7y
    @user-fc6hk4dd7y ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, the video is fire, but the coolest thing is that I myself arranged them exactly the same way! Please could you now make a similar video but with Protoganists?

  • @purplehaze2358
    @purplehaze2358 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    If I recall correctly, it was established that each of Killer Queen's abilities is tied to a different hand. Bomb transmutation for his right, and Sheer Heart Attack for his left. After obtaining Bites the Dust, the hand that corresponded to SHA prior was visually conveyed to now correspond to BtD. Assuming my memory is correct, this could imply that BtD actually replaced SHA when he received a secondary dose of stand arrow.

    • @kanashimi4356
      @kanashimi4356 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      BTD is his right hand like his Primary Bomb, SHA is his left.

    • @fathermc249
      @fathermc249 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I'm pretty sure he still has SHA, but, hard to tell since, y'know... it's useless, and never had a chance to use it when he was Kosaku.
      In the Manga it was stated that "SHA would be useless against Josuke" during the final battle, which at least to me implies that he still has it.

    • @kanashimi4356
      @kanashimi4356 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fathermc249 After the fight with Jotaro Josuke just uses restoration to negate it making it Useless going forward.

    • @purplehaze2358
      @purplehaze2358 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pinkzero281 There’s nothing that actually states that directly. Considering all the instances in which characters have gotten stand upgrades with abilities that didn’t seem to carry over, it’s more a general rule of thumb than it is an actual consistent thing.

    • @crackers5422
      @crackers5422 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's stated in the Manga during a foot note, but Kira doesn't use SHA because Josuke can just revert it with a single punch and send it to his hand, so if he wasn't fighting Josuke at the end he probably would have used it.

  • @roletq2730
    @roletq2730 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Can you do a ranking video for the protagonists?

  • @DagothUrAmaranth
    @DagothUrAmaranth ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Wonder Of U cannot prevent Diavolo from erasing time though, but Calamity still negs after erase time ngl. It's eventual for Diavolo to lose.

    • @WELCOMEHOMEBONE
      @WELCOMEHOMEBONE ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yes but as soon as time erase ends, any attack Diavolo does will immediately activate wonder of you. King Crimson cannot attack during time erase, so erasing time just allows him to avoid things. At most it would be a stalemate, but more realistically, Diavolo would run out of stamina and wouldn't be able to erase time to dodge.

    • @DagothUrAmaranth
      @DagothUrAmaranth ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@WELCOMEHOMEBONE I already admitted this.. King Crimson's time erase is illogica, which is why GER negs WoU and S&W is my real argument. But yeah, once time erase ends, Diavolo gets negged AS I STATED.

    • @WELCOMEHOMEBONE
      @WELCOMEHOMEBONE ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DagothUrAmaranth oh sorry bro. I misread it ig. Didn't mean to make you angry.

    • @DagothUrAmaranth
      @DagothUrAmaranth ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WELCOMEHOMEBONE Not angry, just get a little toxic. Sorry

    • @sheol8989
      @sheol8989 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@DagothUrAmaranth GER gets smacked around by the Calamity

  • @Yami-sx8qe
    @Yami-sx8qe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly Wonder of U one of my favourite stands it’s so ridiculous I love it

  • @creeperman1295
    @creeperman1295 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In terms of Vampire Strength, it is somewhat detailed within part 2 before Santana's awakening and detailing how he shouldn't be able to escape from that N*zi prison.
    At least in the VIZ translation: "According to Speedwagon...humans who wear the Stone Mask have their jumping ability increased to 5/8 meters, their punching power goes to 2000-4000 km/cm^2 and their leg strength increased 3 fold. Basically enough to destroy a 4 cm steel wall."
    Perhaps a bit of a lowball but it's a more specific measurement at least lol.

  • @shenoh
    @shenoh ปีที่แล้ว +7

    About the Jotaro One-Shot with Pucci
    His Ap shouldn't matter, since most of his attacks negate normal durability (F=M×A) and since Pucci has infinite/immeasurable speed... well, you probbably understood what i'm tryna say
    He is probbably between Large Building to City Level in terms of AP (Going by basic logic that "A" Stats could be Large City to Large Mountain. But it's just my own speculation about the stats, don't count on it too much since Kiss also has "A" Stats and isn't as nearly as strong as the stats show.)

  • @blues4509
    @blues4509 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    For the record I think that Johnny could body Tooru too. Since Soft and Wet: Go Beyond is essentially baby Tusk: Act 4 with far more ammo that Josuke can't aim. Infinite spin techniques in general are methods to defeat Wonder of U I believe. The infinite attack power they provide seems to exist above time and space universally: Ball breaker, tusk, go beyond etc.

    • @projekttaku1
      @projekttaku1 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      can johnny launch a infinite spin before calamity reaches him?
      His infinite spin exists, the reason go beyond works is because it doesn't exist, so calamity doesn't effect it.

    • @blues4509
      @blues4509 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@projekttaku1 I would say no. Johnny can certainly still succumb to calamity. He has a perfect attack but he's definitely not perfect in every way. However wouldn't the same be true for Josuke? We've seen that he's still able to be killed by calamity too despite Go Beyond. He was emitting the transcendent bubbles even before he got a grasp on them and was still getting bombarded with misfortune. Unless you're saying Tusk Act 4 itself will be effected by Wonder of U in which case I'm not so sure.

    • @projekttaku1
      @projekttaku1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@blues4509 yes, josuke is affected, but his bubbles aren't, so when he tries to attack with the bubbles (which he can basically instantly send out), it bypasses calamity, which wouldn't happen with tusk act 4's infinite spin, especially since it requires a lot of circumstances and prep, which WOU wouldn't allow.

    • @okay1967
      @okay1967 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@blues4509 When reading JoJolion a second time, I then realized that Johnny's death may have been a result of a calamity. Even though Tooru or Wonder of U weren't initially shown in the story, it doesn't mean that their influence wasn't existent. It was states in the manga that "All events are consolidating to this man." which is basically a heads up that Tooru was literally responsible for all the negative events occurring in JoJolion and even Steel Ball run. Also, Johnny's spin is very much existent, and the only reason Soft adn Wet: Go Beyond was able to bypass Tooru's calamity ability was due to the fact that is simultaneously didn't exist and existed at the same time. Imagine a "Go-Beyond" bubble as a one dimensional singularity point vibrating in space-time, making the illusion of a sphere. Singularity points in a one-dimensional space-time are completely immovable, in theoretical physics. Soft and Wet: Go Beyond's ability was inspired by string theory and one-dimensional singularity points. (If you still think that Johnny can beat Tooru in a stand fight after reading this comment, then you're in some Johnny-love-fantasy.)

    • @okay1967
      @okay1967 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@projekttaku1 And the Golden Spin still exists under logic and reality, which Tooru with Wonder of U has complete control over.

  • @willow3062
    @willow3062 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job on the vid, turned out great, just wanted to point out, the way you ordered the characters on the list makes it look the opposite of what you intended, the top of a tier on a tier list is the leftmost spot 😅

  • @doce3609
    @doce3609 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like you showed at the end i think a first person mode would be really cool

  • @Xer405
    @Xer405 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Chad Tooru at S-rank 💪

    • @troythefrog4084
      @troythefrog4084 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Tooru gang rise up

    • @syrexlee2021
      @syrexlee2021 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Valentine,Pucchi,Kars > Tooru.
      Diavolo debatable

    • @deanfernandes7604
      @deanfernandes7604 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tooru goated, one of my favorites along with Kira and Diavolo

  • @Agente189
    @Agente189 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    7:05 The real reason Kira don't use Sheer heart attack it's because Josuke counter it like we saw after the fight betwenn Koichi e Jotaro vs Kira so when he it's fighting Josuke Sheer heart attack it's completely useless

  • @Phoenix-nw4rj
    @Phoenix-nw4rj ปีที่แล้ว

    Cant wait for part 9 villian and his stand to be revealed.

  • @sasho5427
    @sasho5427 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Liked and subscribed after hearing smtiv music

  • @erfanhamedi9761
    @erfanhamedi9761 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Agreed with everything except Diavolo , I believe his epitaph and time erasure is too op , I think he states higher than Dio , right he doesn't have enough feats but he has enough stats for us to know he can match dios speed and he can have one hit kills as we saw him creating donuts which makes him higher than Dio for me

    • @seanbryant5230
      @seanbryant5230 ปีที่แล้ว

      Diavolo beats everyone but tooru and maybe pucci and i stand by that. As much as i love him, i dont even believe valentine can beat him

    • @jackstar7204
      @jackstar7204 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@seanbryant5230 Please explain how his punches will kill Kars. Also how will he kill Funny when Funny just replaces himself? Also how will he survive when Dio (part 3) survives his first attack thanks to regen, stops time, and chops Diavolo's head off? Also Pucci *definitely* beats him. If SP couldn't catch MiH without timestop AND Anasui's help, then Diavolo stands no chance. He's strong but people overhype Epitaph to an absurd degree. Also his stats flat out kinda suck. He donuts people? Okay he only does that when he has the element of surprise and people like Josuke can do that casually. Speed? Without time skip, Polnareff cuts him to ribbons. And don't get me started on his range/durability.

    • @ImpatientPlatypus
      @ImpatientPlatypus 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@seanbryant5230Diavolo was almost a polnareff victim what are you yapping about 😭

  • @juannaym8488
    @juannaym8488 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When you made the distinction between attack and speed energy, you have to remember that kinetic energy is mass times speed, kinetic energy being basically attack energy. So you could argue that Pucci has theoretically infinite attack potency, there's nothing in part 6 that would contradict that

    • @danidan2174
      @danidan2174 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      having infinite energy doesnt mean your own body can handle its power

  • @Kiraxen
    @Kiraxen 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    With each season each antagonist had to be more and more bizarre so this tierlist seems right. Even funny MC in each book get even more bizarre stan upgrades to deal with them 😂

  • @ddenozor
    @ddenozor 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yoshikage Kira has no business fighting and can't defend himself, but this kinda made him the most interesting villain for me. Other than being a murderous psychopath, he was just like any other person, dealing with life's circumstances. He was constantly fighting against misfortune and stress like the human being he is.

  • @braasl1925
    @braasl1925 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well to the Sheer Heart Attack take, its stated in the manga that this ability doesn’t work on josuke

  • @jackychen4825
    @jackychen4825 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the only thing i could say about Kars is that he could maybe become a stone human, because technically they are an species of animal on earth, which could unlock a whole new set of possibilities

    • @senecavermeulen8110
      @senecavermeulen8110 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      rock humans are silicon-based which might prevent him from becoming one. i don’t think rock humans would offer any advantages not provided by other animals

  • @treezombie0
    @treezombie0 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I cant wait until the next chapter of part 9

  • @jamesmcdonald1108
    @jamesmcdonald1108 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For part 1 Dio I would argue Jonathan scales to Tarkus who pretty much moved a small mountain with his bare hands and pulled apart an iron collar like it was nothing, and the space ripper eyes could lead to some fast kills against human opponents- but he still lacks the overall hax of the others to be honest.

  • @lance2304
    @lance2304 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    6:53 I think the reason he didn't use sheer heart attack is due to the fact that josuke can just heal it back to kira. So it wouldn't have been possible to use it anyway

  • @hondaaccord1399
    @hondaaccord1399 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Sometimes I wonder if Wonder of U could be destroyed if something more powerful than it (somehow) "accidentally" destroyed it without even thinking of them. You know what I mean? Like, if a stand accidentally sent a beam that kills everything in it destroyed one character and nicked Wonder of U, and it dies, would that immediately enact calamity, or since the stronger thing never even thought about Wonder of U being there, would there be no penalty for destroying it?

    • @senecavermeulen8110
      @senecavermeulen8110 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i think WoU is less of a metaphysical stand and more of a psychological stand. if you aren’t thinking about the head doctor, tooru, or any of tooru’s goals, you could possibly attack it. i think this is proven by mamezuku’s and kaato’s attacks. kaato drops space trucking’s cards with no intention of killing tooru, since proper use of her stand doesn’t kill things. mamezuku manages to cross the ceiling towards the head doctor by clearing his mind/only seeking to help josuke (?)
      it would be a very weird ending to part 8, but i’ve thought about “non-BS” win conditions in part 8, and have come up with a possible alternative to ‘soft and wet: go beyond.’
      josuke deliberately loses games to daiya until he has no clue about tooru, the head doctor or the rokakaka, and is then told to launch an explosive into the woods. it might work. i’m pretty sure an automatic stand would beat tooru as long as it was activated before the user knew about him
      also, i think tooru could be beaten if you forced him to be on the offensive. you can’t steal the rokakaka from him, but if he’s trying to chase you and take it from you, he’s powerless, so long as you don’t understand that he is following you. this might require memory loss, and daiya might be harmed while playing the games with josuke (and whoever orders josuke to throw the bomb in the woods might be harmed)

    • @Wattson19
      @Wattson19 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The only thing that is more powerful than WoU is logic, so you need to surpass logic in order to hit it.

  • @testingtesting6215
    @testingtesting6215 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And now we wait for JoJo Land's antagonist.

  • @mc_3232
    @mc_3232 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    sheer heart attack is shown to be useless against josuke as he just fixes sheer heart attack back to killer queens hand. plus stray cat's air bubbles and killer queens bomb coupled with atom heart father are a way more reliable way to deal with enemies since it cant be distracted with lighters and such

  • @CH1C4N0444
    @CH1C4N0444 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hey Metas, how do you think King Crimson's Epitaph and Time Erasure/Skip would interact with Bites the Dust? Or really any of the time based abilities for that matter (The World and Stat Platinum's Time Stop or Made in Heaven's Time Acceleration)?
    Like, could Diavolo skip time being reset by Bites the Dust with King Crimson and just continue it as if Bites the Dust was never activated? And could Star Platinum or The World stop time before Bites the Dust goes off (in Part 4, Jotaro never knew the ability existed, so he probably never thought to try it) if they knew about the ability? And could Made in Heaven just accelerate through Bites the Dust reseting time, or would it just be set back regardless of how fast it's accelerated time?

    • @leandroandong7400
      @leandroandong7400 ปีที่แล้ว

      It will be very difficult to determine but if Diavolo got successfully subjected to BTD Diavolo will realize it with the help of Epitaph on when the exact moments of time he will need to skip to avoid fate of being in loop. Like imagine if the kid(forgot the name) have this kind of ability, he can easily bypass the loop of BTD he is on to and erase that destined second that he explode rendering the rewind useless cause that what really KC stands for to have freedom over fate and fate = time in jojo so.

  • @BappO-is-me
    @BappO-is-me ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Funnily enough, Pucci easily stomps Funny Valentine due to his complete control of gravity. Yes, it takes gravity to surpass Love Train, not infinite energy, that was actively stated. D4C's parallel universe ability really doesn't matter, as Pucci could also just blitz him before he disappears within 2 objects.

    • @thenewsanzplayz4738
      @thenewsanzplayz4738 ปีที่แล้ว

      well the thing is, pucci would only be able to speed blitz him that quick with mih, and can only control gravity with cmoon, so unless he can switch, which i dont think was ever stated, he would have to use gravity against valentine and then awaken into mih fast enough to kill, which i don't think could happen.

    • @BappO-is-me
      @BappO-is-me ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @thenewsanzplayz4738 well actually no, Pucci's direct words when he was unlocking Made In Heaven is that he obtained "the complete control of gravity" or "the power of gravity." That's one realistic way that Pucci could speed up time in the first place, via gravity

  • @amenadieljoyeuse3955
    @amenadieljoyeuse3955 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ("Stands of Alien Orgins and kars can't match them.") Run that back, life on earth is uncertain. Their exist panspermiathe, theory that life on the earth originated from microorganisms or chemical precursors of life present in outer space and able to initiate life on reaching a suitable environment. Kars is the idea of evolution, that's what makes him the ultimate lifeform and stands follow the concept of evolution as well. That explained his ability to copy and ultimate them like he did in the novel.

  • @turtle3819
    @turtle3819 ปีที่แล้ว

    I appreciate the SMT IV music

  • @steelballrunner636
    @steelballrunner636 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Question about Pucci's attack potency. Couldn't he theoretically have infinite momentum based power since he has infinite speed? Also, how would it interact with D4C Love Train? I assume getting killed and then reincarnated is a misfortune, but I could be wrong.

    • @Jarethttorney
      @Jarethttorney ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think because how fast he moves and that love train is dimensional Pucci could go straight through at max speed as he can reset the universe.

    • @penguingameplays6253
      @penguingameplays6253 ปีที่แล้ว

      mih doesnt have infinite speed he just has continiously increasing speed thats why jotaro could react it

  • @lightningdragon666
    @lightningdragon666 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just imagine if part 9 villain is either stronger than Tooru or has a weak ability that counters Jodio's ability, and that's it.

  • @toggle2565
    @toggle2565 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    D4C base < Wonder of U < D4C:LT

  • @alexandru-mariannegulescu1374
    @alexandru-mariannegulescu1374 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool list. But the way you pronounce Diavolo's name is funny 😅

  • @SircTheOdd
    @SircTheOdd ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Oh....OOOOOOOOHHH
    OKAY so hear me out...
    Main Protagonist Tier List

  • @foka0_0
    @foka0_0 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How would interactions look like between Wonder of U and other anime verses? 🤔

  • @shikaotsu7194
    @shikaotsu7194 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well to be fair on Kira, he does use projectiles with his bomb ability (such as Stray Cat's bubbles or coins), but even then the other Stand user main antagonists have better experience against other Stand users and quite literally all outdo him in terms of stats, hax, and overall fighting ability even without a Stand, I'd also like to note Diavolo's stats make no sense especially his "Permanence" stat being and E, reason being is that it can take blows from itself and from Stands as powerful as Sticky Fingers, in terms of speed SF is as fast if not a little faster than Gold Experience but having destructive power closer to something like Crazy Diamond or The Hand (in physical power), Silver Chariot is also a great example of speed if you consider it should be faster than in part 3 (since it's an older and more experienced Polnareff), there's a possibility it's faster and stronger than before even with it's armor on it's an FTL-MFTL Stand that on it's own is capable of fighting Stands on it's level or above it, I would personally consider it a speed feat for King Crimson to cut off Polnareff's limbs seeing as Silver Chariot couldn't react to it, in both fights between the two it ended in Diavolo's win even with Polnareff knowing the ability and I think it's really downplayed how powerful Stands are in part 5 (aside from GER and Chariot Requiem), also I wish we had more with Trish and her Stand cause it was only really used once and from the little we got of it, we'd probably have had a different ending if she had more time to develop with her abilities.

  • @itzslopchaosz7108
    @itzslopchaosz7108 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't think people fully understand WoU. In my interpretation, calamity is more of a destiny thing than a "what if it can't hit you?". We've seen it turn rain into deadly droplets. It manipulates destiny in a way that you can't attack it, even if you're like, invulnerable. In that case I imagine you would likely trip or something that would prevent you from attacking him

  • @akoskovacs6830
    @akoskovacs6830 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'd argue that Diavolo could go above Dio.
    It all depends if the stopped time affects the length of the erased time.
    I think it doesn't happen because the stopped time is a timeframe which subjectively exists only for the time stoppers. Everything they do within that timeframe would happen in that 0,000...1 second for everyone else or for the world itself if this makes sense.
    This would mean the following:
    1. The fight starts.
    2. Epithaph shows that for a moment Dio will be in 20 places at once, doing several things. Like a picture in which you copy-paste Dio all over the place.
    3. King Crimson erases said time, nullifying every effect within the stopped time.
    4. Diavolo gets behind Dio and attacks as usual.
    The only way I could imagine Diavolo losing (if my interpretation of how their time abilities work together) is if Dio is fast enough to notice the attack and counter-attack so fast Diavolo can't react, defeating him.

    • @Vikrampic123
      @Vikrampic123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thing is thats exactly how the fight would go. Dio maybe a vampire but everyone seems to forget dio's body is incredibly weak and can't regenerate normally. Diavolo punches are strong enough to obliterate a human body with just a chop. diavolo doesn't take chances in the slightest he always uses epitaph because he can always spam it alongside king crimson. and the major amount of confusion he'd instill would be enough for dio to not notice the attack fast enough

  • @TheRaccoonPrince
    @TheRaccoonPrince ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Somebody once told me the world is gonna roll me
    I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed
    She was looking kind of dumb with her finger and her thumb
    In the shape of an "L" on her forehead
    Well the years start coming and they don't stop coming
    Fed to the rules and I hit the ground running
    Didn't make sense not to live for fun
    Your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb
    So much to do, so much to see
    So what's wrong with taking the back streets?
    You'll never know if you don't go
    You'll never shine if you don't glow
    Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play
    Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid
    And all that glitters is gold
    Only shooting stars break the mold
    It's a cool place and they say it gets colder
    You're bundled up now, wait 'til you get older
    But the meteor men beg to differ
    Judging by the hole in the satellite picture
    The ice we skate is getting pretty thin
    The water's getting warm so you might as well swim
    My world's on fire, how about yours?
    That's the way I like it and I'll never get bored
    Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play
    Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid
    All that glitters is gold
    Only shooting stars break the mold
    Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play
    Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show, on get paid
    And all that glitters is gold
    Only shooting stars
    Somebody once asked could I spare some change for gas?
    I need to get myself away from this place
    I said, "Yup" what a concept
    I could use a little fuel myself
    And we could all use a little change
    Well, the years start coming and they don't stop coming
    Fed to the rules and I hit the ground running
    Didn't make sense not to live for fun
    Your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb
    So much to do, so much to see
    So what's wrong with taking the back streets?
    You'll never know if you don't go (go!)
    You'll never shine if you don't glow
    Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play
    Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid
    And all that glitters is gold
    Only shooting stars break the mold
    And all that glitters is gold
    Only shooting stars break the mold

  • @real9346
    @real9346 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    despite how weak killer queen is compared to other villain's stands, it's pretty impressive how long kira survived and frankly how well he did against the duwang gang.

  • @anthonythomas305
    @anthonythomas305 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice rankings