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There’s an editor error Around the 46 min mark where tusk act four and both D4C’s we’re supposed to be on that list FYI
I feel like Kars could beat D4C because Kars would most likely be smart enough not to fight himself, and since hes in the sbr universe he could learn the spin and perfect it to bypass Love Train.
For Kars vs MIH (Not counting universe reset as a win), Kars could just have his hamon activated and if Pucci tries to slice him, he would start to melt (Going back to when Kars melts Joseph's knee).
Another thing Kars could do is release pollen around himself and infuse his hamon into it, and if someone breaths in that same pollen, their lungs would start to melt.
@@IIErenII or just.. emit a virus. What is Pucci gonna do
Can you please do can giorno survive part8
Stands that I think can beat Goku...
Cream
Sticky Fingers
Anubis
Ratt
Cheap Trick
Atom Heart Father
Superfly
Enigma
Heaven's Door
Killer Queen
Grateful Dead
Beach Boys
Baby Face
Notorious B.I.G.
Green Day
Silver Chariot Requiem
GER
Whitesnake
Highway to Hell
Heavy Weather
Dragons Dream
Yo Yo Ma
Green, Green, Grass of Home
Bohemian Rhaspody
C-Moon
Made In Heaven
Tusk Act 4
Ball Breaker
Scary Monsters
20th Century Boys (Stalemate)
Cream starter
Catch the Rainbow
Ticket to Ride
d4C:Love Train
(I haven't read part 8 yet but from what I have saw and understood, Wonder of U should be able to as well)
Forgot about purple haze...but yeah that virus should effectively end him
I feel like kars would just be immune to purple haze, since being the ultimate life form means the perfect immune system
he'd just do the same thing as giorno
I doubt it because purple haze's poison is technically not from the earth (and is probably not found anywhere on the planet) so he would need to get aantidote (like giorno) but if Kars battles against Fugo 1 on 1 Fugo (purple haze) probably just kills Kars if he is able to hit something close enough (or Kars himself)
@@egnk_nic I honestly think Kars would sense Purple Haze and would get a instinctive sense to avoid the poison gas from Purple Haze.
I think it can go either way but with Kars regeneration and access to cells that are good at battling corrosion , then he gets the win.
Also Kars would be fast enough to blitz him.
Wish i had that immune system
Yeah Kars having access to 8 million different species and thats not even taking into account animals that did exist. Since it never specifies currently existing. Such as Dinosaurs means somewhere Kars has some form of super immunity. Also Kars could blow it away via wings or some form of it.
Santana was able to figure out how a machine gun works in like 30 seconds, and he's the idiot of the group. Kars is absolutely smart enough to rinse the D'arbys.
Not sure if those two things are really comparable. A machine gun uses set mechanical and chemical principals inherent to reality. A game uses arbitrary rulesets determined by a person. Not saying he wouldn't still figure it out, just that those aren't the same thing.
@@Godoflegossantana figured out german languange after people spoke few times, kars sure would got the electronic chariot race within minutes
@@alikeremozfidan288Kars can beat Super Mario Bros. with a 4 min 54.26 second time
@@Godoflegos Kars would easily find out if the other guys are cheating via sound waves and his 400 iQ azs. After that he would just use his infinite animalistic powers to cheat back in an untraceable or deniable way. They aren't beating Kars at all.
@@Trollamollex that has nothing to do with what I was saying. Did you even read my post? Of course he could figure out if somebody was cheating, but that isn’t the same as figuring out the rules to a game in a timely manner. This is like the third false equivalency somebody has replied with.
I love how Kars is still alive just floating around in space, and Araki could just make up some weird story and bring him back into the story at any moment.
Pucci’s Universe Reset
Except for Pucci lol
Yeah, that kinda happened in the Jorge Joestar novel. Reaaaally crazy stuff there.
@@TheCommentGuy. Except that didn't change anythig about Kars.
@@Cysco8575what happened in the novel?
If Kars turned into a snail he can literally transform back given that is part of his abilities
It's not physical it's mental
He could pull a Lobo
@@jackrocks8350 It's SO mental it turns physical
@@jackrocks8350 then he could alter his brain
@@jackrocks8350 yes but it wouldnt affect him, because he knows he can transform whenever he wants... He just wouldn't care about it
Anubis & Kars working together would be terrifying. Anubis would passively increase Kars' speed more and more over time and help him adapt & counter most attacks he couldn't already adapt to.
Anubis just like a lot of Part 3 users who are potentially the most dangerous stand users
the question is can anubis use kars intelegence or use the full extent of kars power
because otherwise you trade a lot of power and smarts for a good counter and speed
that and what counter can anubis over that kars has trouble with
but if anubis can use kars to the fullest than it would be more unstoppable than just ulimute kars
@@gearedge Anubis can communicate with Kars if they're working together. He spoke to Chaka and Khan in order to convince them to hold the blade, so if Anubis and Kars are on the same side and Anubis isn't just possessing him like any other Anubis wielder they would be able to work together. Plus DIO was able to convince Anubis to join him without being possessed.
Is Anubis a stand? Why not being a deity confused as a stand, in Thus Spoke Rohan... the supernatural comes into play not always as stands but gods and ghosts if i am not mistaken.
@@symonsan What? In Part 3s second half the stands were named after the Egyptian Gods
A point I would make in Kars' favor vs. White Album is that Kars did get dropped into an active volcano and pulled some PhD-level scientific bullshit out to survive that. I'm not saying he would use the same method vs extreme cold, but I feel like that's an example where his body adapted VERY quickly.
Kars also has access to ranged attacks and is smart enough to Out-ricochet Gently Weeps methinks
The vacuum of space is colder and he technically is surviving it
@@JetowTone big air qoute but yea
@@JetowTone Lmao the way the thing would work is that white album guy would freeze him again and again like once a day or smthn or keep him in a freezer room and one day the power cuts out or he forgets about him and Kars comes out fucking pissed
Also Bombardier Beetles can spray 212 Fahrenheit acid Kars can use this to melt the ice
I would like to add something that might be a counter to Rohan.
Kars could have his transformed limbs attack him, with the reasoning of “I am not the one attacking you… for the animals given new life by my body are!”
And then Rohan would get eaten alive by like a million lions.
Kars really pulled a 400 IQ move there
He cant have any intention of harming Rohan. No sneaky way around it he fundamentally cant
@@randomuser5443 well it wouldn’t be him, as the animals *are* somewhat sentient on their own.
@Flarus If he makes any animals before the command is written, then that would work. Otherwise, NO.
@@lordflarus they kinda are but at the same time they still kinda are linked to his mind, otherwise they wouldn’t specifically have targeted Joseph
Even if Kars did encounter an aging ability (Seth or Grateful Dead) and it somehow counteracted his whole "not aging" thing, he could probably just tap into the abilities of a Turritopsis dohrnii and reset his life cycle.
Kars is over a 100,000 years old so him aging down wouldn't matter and he would just kill Aylieis.
Maybe Alessi would be able to age him back to before he became ultimate kars and then he dies in the sun but thats assuming a lot
@@_Shadu_ oh I forgot about the sun thing but I think Kars would be fast enough to get to shelter and then find clothing to keep out sun light
@@mandalorianhunter1 If he's just out and about I doubt he'd notice quick enough to not just die
Is there an amount of time vamps and pillar man can be in the sun or is it dissolving instantly?
The Bohemian Rhapsody one is by far the funniest thing to me because of the mythological shit you'd have to get him to be pulled into. Kars would have to meet up with Beowulf for a hope to be forced to recreate his story
Beowulf is actually too recent, Kars was last active around the height of the Roman Empire and Beowulf was made/set somwhen between 400 and 700 CE. The Epic of Gilgamesh is probably the best story to use: it’s sufficiently popular nowadays, Kars would absolutely know it, and there’s a character in it that Kars would relate to that dies by the end: Gilgamesh himself.
@@gavinbrown216 may be even easier to just use the Iliad, as it is also way more popular: have him be Achilles
Ever hear about Cronus and Zeus, cool your now Cronus and Zeus is gonna kill you
I guess something like Uranus's story from Greek mythology would work. Uranus is cut in pieces by Chronos and then sealed in hell forever.
If Kars learned the spin could be become a centaur to always use perfect spin?
WAHAHAAHA
Of course, if zeppely could do it with a horse, then Kars can do it easy peasy.
as the ultimate life form i dont think he would need the whole horse leg thing he would just be able to use it always
Kars has access to way more than just the animal kingdom. He's also shown to take from the kingdom plantae. Though whether he can also take on the abilities of bacteria, fungi, and other kingdoms is unclear, I wouldn't doubt it.
I would assume all kingdoms of the earth.
My personal theory is that bros just HIM and can do anything a living being can do, no like dying and having his soul pass on and then coming back, but like he instantly learned Hamon as soon as he became the ultimate life form, I seriously think he's literally just HIM, if something alive can do it, so can he.
Bruh imagine he won Part 2 and just decided to become a fungus and fill the entire planet with his hyphae while he just contemplates life
Kars seems like the kind to surpass his physical limits just to become one with the universe and achieve a higher plane of existence through becoming a vegetable
@@bigpoggers6507 Kars is THAT guy
@@bigpoggers6507 this is why I think all discussions on Kars don't really make sense
If he were in part 3 he would, by default, obtain a stand that has the abilities of any stand you can imagine, but better
All life forms can have a stand, some even just when they are born, so there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to copy that ability and achieve the Ultimate Stand
Even if Seth could effect Kars. Kars would probably just temporarily lose a few centuries off his life since it seems like Seth gradually de-ages by a year or two every second.
I think since it de-ages other attributes like your stand it might un-ultimate Kars
Didn’t Alessi describe his ability as causing you to experience time in reverse? That would mean it’s less of a de-aging effect and it more so reverts the target to a previous state
@@_Shadu_ Even if Seth de-age like 10 years per second (and he probably doesn't) Kars have 5 JOJO-seconds to act. Which is more then enough to annihilate Alessi
@@gavinbrown216 Yes, that's why they Jotaro didn't have Star Platinum when he became a kid, because it isn't de-aging. It's reverse time.
@@notsochosenone5669 Kars would get hit and lose his ultimate ability
It's kinda funny that even if kars gets frozen by white album kars is still alive and the user of white album will die or move eventually. Then you can also make the argument that kars can increase his body temp and just thaw himself.
Or just Hot-as-the-Sun Hamon White Album's frozen ass!
Also has hamon hundreds of times more potent than that of any human. The fact that Kaleb forgot feels like lowkey downplay.
If White Album couldnt freeze Giorno in time, He has absolutely no chance against Kars.
The one issue with Giorno was he lacked the strength to punch through the armor, Kars doesnt have that problem in his og form given how he can react to bullets and cut Stroheim in half, who is specifically designed to fight Kars.. Ultimate Kars absolutely would have a field day with White Album.
If Kars saw The Last Supper during Bohemian Rhapsody, could he lose by being fucking crucified like Jesus? It’s one of the only stories old enough I can think of for Kars to know as well as still be known today.
Well in that story Jesus comes back to life so
Yeah but then we'd have the problem of Kars literally becoming Jesus
Ask a different scripture story where the main characters die
@@determinedhelicopter2948 Then he dies again in America.
I dont think he would die on a cross neither would he even allow for them to touch him
I feel like Kars could actually have a stand. HEAR ME OUT!
Araki has gone on record saying 2 things: A) Stands are a natural evolution to Hamon, and B) If we could go back in time and look at young Joseph, he would be surrounded by Hermit Purple when he uses Hamon.
Now, what does this have to do with Kars? Well, spoiler for the end of part 2...
He can use Hamon.
If he can use Hamon, it's only *natural* that he could evolve his Hamon into a Stand.
What kind of Stand would Kars have? Well, as the ultimate lifeform, Kars would get the ultimate Stand.
Your stands can mess with time? Well mine can *control fate*. Oh, yours can do that, too? Too bad I can just overwrite yours by *going back in time and killing you*. This stand would be the definition of overpowered.
And the name of such a ridiculous Stand? *Get Your Gun*, named after the musical "Annie Get Your Gun," which features a song called "Anything You Can Do," sometimes referred to as "Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better."
Appearance-wise, it can look however Kars needs/wants it to. Stats are all infinite, like Made In Heaven has for speed.
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@@dluxajalt The Legendary, [BIG DICK RANDY]
Pillarmen kinda had pseudo-stands with their unique modes they didn't share.
Kars was already given a stand in the pseudo, not really, canon jojo light novels. It's exactly as broken as you'd think aka, the ability to copy and perfect other stands.
Example; He gained access to a submarine stand that emerges from the user's body, but his version manifests as a futuristic/scifi design with an armada of smaller ships as well.
I imagine Kars and Golden Experience Requiem having a contest on who’s the truly ultimate life form/stand and playing “no u” tennis and attacking with their own armada of cute killer critters
i love u
They just have a Pokémon battle. Loser is retired. Not injured or anything, they just agree to leave.
Since Kars can copy stands, he and Giorno would just be reverting each others attacks until the others just up and leaves
I think this just turns into a conversation right? GER rests all of Kars' attacks and Kars adapts to GER's. GER couldn't get Kars close enough to death for the death loop to activate. So neither of them can meaningful harm each other.
Might as well grab some tea and talk.
Requiem is one ability, it's just that silver chariot and Giorno used it differently. Giorno could put Kars soul in another body and kill him like that too if he wanted
I feel like Kars stomps any part without a Joseph who's at least somewhat able to fight (joseph stomps because he legally cannot die, smokey made it an illegal act)
I want to point out that you can escape TUSK A4 by just cutting off the part of your body that was hit by the infinite spin, before it affects the rest of your body. This is negligible damage to Kars.
Plus, being a (former) pillarman, he can just dodge the bullets by forming a large hole in his body where the bullet is aimed
Kars would only be able to cut off the part of the body part affected if he knows Tusk Act 4's ability beforehand (which he wouldn't before it's too late)
@@sirmonke8946 did you forget what Kars's IQ is?
@@SlaaneshiKitty Explain to me how Kars would figure out Johnny's ability before Johnny uses it
IQ isn't just pulling some random bullshit out of your ass that ends up being correct
@@sirmonke8946 I don't. Now, explain to me why you think Kars wouldn't figure it out before it spreads to the rest of his body.
Or why you think Kars would just tank the shot.
The fact that one of the weaker pillar men was able to understand the entire language with just a couple words Kars would be beyond smart intelligence wise and probably could beat any stand user without a stand
Yeah, 400 IQ
I don’t think Kars would necessarily lose to C-moon,
because it’s not like you can’t move in changed gravity, kars can still fly
If it’s constantly changing gravity, yeah
I feel like he could change his body to mobius strips like stone free did.
@@Jarethttorney which animal in nature that isn’t a stand user can make themself into a Möbius Strip
@@weskintime4177 Kars most likely change himself because I don't think a birds have razor sharp wings that can pierce metal like that performed by Kars. So maybe no morbius strips but still possible.
@@weskintime4177 1) He has near perfect Shapeshifting, he isn't just limited to "I'm this animal" he just uses Blueprints
A good example would be the Lava thing, sure he used a crab blueprint but no animal has a Human Shaped carapace with airtight air pocket insulation
2)Flatworms
@@weskintime4177 Outside of being the perfect life form all pillar men have body manipulation and can alter their shape
Some characters, like Polnareff, developed stands without the arrow. Also, the way viruses work is they implant themselves in the host’s dna. So if Kars realizes stands are a thing, I think he can develop multiple stands on his own.
"No one can survive in zero gravity, so C-Moon is fine"
Jumpin' Jack Flash:
Exactly
Crazy Diamond’s stated power is to “reverse objects to α previous state.” Could…he possibly punch Kars back into his regular form?
I think he'd only be able to do that within a short timeframe after the transformation. After a certain point that would become his new "regular form". At least going off of why he couldn't heal Okayasu's father, who was transformed by one of Dio's cells.
@@Djelphan It would certainly make for an interesting scenario if Kars BECAME Ultimate within Part IV.
No
Ultimate Kars is kars' natural state now
Unless you can show evidence of crazy diamond reversing age there's nothing he can do
That's a weird ass a
Crazy Diamond can't undo body transformations, as already confirmed with Okuyasu's Dad.
Since the organisms Kars creates seem to function partially independently from him (IE, they still do what he wants but also operate as though they're still separate organisms), the case could be made he has the ability to create souls. Which.. while I don't think I need to explain why that's busted as all hell, I _do_ need to explain that he could probably just make one of the animals he creates pick up Anubis and therefore have it be controlled by it rather than him.
Kars vs a Big Rat with a Sword
Him creating the creatures with intent for them to hurt Rohan could be considered an attack
@@GuyWhoWatchesStuff he talking about anubis not rohan
@@GuyWhoWatchesStuff How about 'Kars creating the creatures with intent to escape Rohan's ability...which so happens to kill Rohan'?
There's no intent to kill Rohan. Killing Rohan is just an easy way to escape the stand's effects.
If Kars appeared in part 7 or 8 he would become the most broken being in existence after seeing Spin 💀
He is more powerful than horses and has perfect body Manipulation, so he would be able to use spin and hamon together every time 💀
He would be broken until Funny Valentine dimension hops and finds a stand user capable of killing him instantly. GG.
@@jackbruno953 Or until Kars imitates the stand Virus to manipulate stands themselves
@@filipe_paixao literally no confirmation he could do that. Kars can’t replicate alien life. Sorry bud. Bro would have to go through the devils palm.
Oh, right. He could just make his body spin infinitely in the opposite direction, if Jonny hits him with nail bullets.
@@filipe_paixaoI think kars can replicate anything organic that he understands or comes up with. And that on a scientifically impossible level. After all, the weird bone blades he had aren't part of anything we know from earth.
If Kars can see Stands (in this situation) and was capable of learning and mastering Hamon, wouldn’t it be reason to believe that he could develop a Stand let alone his enemy’s Stand? Like, the dude’s capable of creating anything living on Earth, and it’s been shown by users like Tonio that stands aren’t exclusively derived from the Stand Arrows’ meteorite. I’d bet that Kars could develop someone’s stand off of fighting them, 500IQ + Kars’ goofy ass DNA shenanigans and he could probably figure something out.
It happens in the Gorge Joestar novel, he basically develops a more powerful version of the stands he sees
If Kars would have encountered an stand user he wouldnt instantly kill them i mean thats one of the most intresting you saw for thousands of years it would take him not that much of a time to understand stand virus as a whole and maybe copy the stand or even create his own one
@@waluigist even tho that was non canon
@@captainb.mccrea5480 Over Heaven is also non-canon but it's still used as an example of what DIO's completed plan would be, why can't novel Kars be used as an example of what could have been?
@@NostalgicOccultist because where is he getting an arrow or Stand infection from? I’m pretty sure someone explained once why Kars can’t obtain a Stand, but I’ve watched a lot of long vids lately so no idea which that was
Ngl, Kaleb and Meta are a great duo, maybe even as good as Joseph and Caesar
Oh God, one of them is going to die 😭
The funniest thing with Illuso is if he does use his ability on Kars he can never use it again, because Kars will just...go find him.
Kars loses to Bohemian Rhapsody because of written and artistic accounts of ancient legends and you know like Ra or Hercules or Quetzacotl could just swing in and yeet him into the sun.
The Tardigrade argument is so funny to me because like
What the fuck do you think happened at the end of Part 2? That's exactly what Tardigrades do to survive in extreme conditions? They curl up, lose moisture and basically turn into a indestructible rock while they wait for the environment to chill the fuck down
What did Kars do? He curled up, turned into an indestructible rock and waited, and waited
And waited
He did the exact same thing a Tardigrade would have done except he kept waiting forever
My head cannon is that there is a planet out there somewhere lifeseeded by kars, or maybe there are many Kars and that's how pillar men got to earth and why there is life on earth.
@@femimark5021 might I direct you to the JORGE JOESTAR light novel
31:32 Jail House Lock might give Kars a hard time but the 400IQ could win eventually. Still a stailmate is theoraticaly possible
if jolyne can win then you can bet your ass the perfect creature Kars can
I wonder if iq is a downside in that situation ie more thoughts per second
@@curgest6807 jolyne only won since emporio was there. Otherwise, she was fucked
@@fungamesandstuffwhy2516 He can also just throttle his own brain and reduce himself to fewer thoughts, or even just adapt his brain to work thoughtlessly on an advanced puzzle solving instinct or something
I feel like GER might not be able to *kill* Kars though, is the thing, just because Giorno's not clever enough with the whole damage reflection trick to be able to get Kars to self KO. He'd be able to stop Kars from attacking, but that's it. It's an unstoppable force vs an immovable object. That one feels like it's honestly a draw.
Thing is with GER is we aren't really sure of the full scale of its power is offensively. GER shot a laser at Diavolo and that was completely unelaborated on, and its stand stats are completely undefined. So GER winning or drawing sort of comes down to whether or not it can kill Kars. But seeing as GERs abilities are on the higher end of 5th dimensional, I think it's fairly possible.
@@cultofmel that wasn't a laser. It was a really high energy rock being launched through Diavolo's hand, which then turned into a scorpion.
@@theendersmirk5851 That's my bad lol, I had no idea it was a rock. My point still stands though
Kars has hamon and can radiate heat. White album’s flash freeze can easily be negated. For all these battles you need to consider that Kars can do everything we saw Joseph do, at a much higher level.
more impressively he get's even more heated abs than Speedwagon to thaw himself quickly
It's even said and CONFIRMED that Kars hamon is hundreds of times more powerful than josephs
Exactly, I'm assuming that he only got frozen in space because hamon is a breathing technique and there's no air in space.
Also, if he can use Wammu's whole air pipes while he was trying to get back to earth, there's no reason to not think that he can't use Esidisi's powers.
@@garygwagwa Stray Cat could kill Ultimate Kars. (/j)
I feel like in the case of Purple Haze that unless the virus was capable of nullifying healing factors. That Kars would just be in constant pain of the virus eating him alive and not being able to die from it until he came up with an antidote for it. A lot like Heracles when he got they hydra venom shirt. It was extremely painful and fucking him up but it couldn't actually kill him. He just chose to die rather than suffer through it.
Kars also got out of a volcano by making his skin constantly emit bubbles of air to keep the heat at bay, making it so the lava literally can't touch his skin long enough to burn him. He could probably do the same thing to the virus, just spray out air bubbles around his body to keep the virus away. Then he could create hagfish slime to cover his body in mucus or something to protect himself from the virus until he can develop an immunity.
Last i checked it did kill him, then it removed him from mortal form and he became a god
@Fallen Realm No it didn't. That happened when he willingly tossed himself into a pyre. He rather light himself on fire and burn to death than endure the hydra venom.
Can’t kars just remove his organs and veins that cause pain. Plus giorno used a snake to heal himself of the virus Kars big brain moments will just snap the virus away. Who has a bigger pain factor. Cannon hair cut, or the fucking pinochle of life itself.
Fun fact! Water bears are smaller than most cells. And he can become Any lifeform and combine other traits. Yeah he's stomping most of Jojo. Harmon in his hands melt flesh and earth as well.
Wait...... Can Kars do the Antman Thanos strat....?
This is actually a myth. The guy who "observed" this had a contaminated specimen
@@nidhogg8446The ultimate technique for the ultimate lifeform
He also has blades on his forearms that can basically cut through anything.
To be frank I don't think Alessi could beat regular Kars either. The dude is apparently over a hundred thousand years old, so he might well not even notice the de-aging effect at all given how slow it would be on him.
honestly i don't even see Cheep Tricks "kill move" being able to outpace Kars' insane healing and regen anyway
Its not really clear the conditions of the "Death" it causes. Especially since its stated in some sources as BECOMING that host's Stand, which means its attached to their spirit, not just their body. Kars's abilities also aren't instantaneous, it does take SOME time for him to heal and transform.
I think Kars was a little low-balled here honestly. Not only does he have the abilities of every animal on the planet, he also has the abilities of Pillar Men without the sun weakness (He can still use his blades and he uses Wamuu's wind to try and get out of space.) And more than that, he outperforms every lifeform. (His Hamon was thousands of times stronger than Joseph's to the point he could melt him like a vampire.) He would have stronger versions of things like Divine Sandstorm which would be insane in fights with a lot of the close-range stand-users. (And in general, the wind manipulation would be busted as well. This would maybe make the most difference against Purple Haze since the virus still travels by air. This is a counter assuming his body can't just make a cure like Giorno for some reason.) This isn't even getting into if he can also use Vampire Abilities like the Space Ripper Stingy Eyes or part 1 Dio's freeze. I also think Pucci was a little oversold. Whitesnake is fair, but I think C-Moon stalemates at best but Kars also attempted to move in 0 gravity with Wamuu's wind when he was launched into space and it'd probably work without the flash freeze of space's coldness on top. And if it tried to turn him inside out Kars could just....Morph his body inside in. MIH I'm not 100% sure about but Kars could make it difficult for Pucci to get close enough so that Pucci couldn't throw him into orbit, maybe sneak up on him once time accelerates to a new universe. Not to mention Kars would have the terrain advantage anywhere other than solid ground (Emporio escaped with the help of a Dolphin, and Kars would swim even faster.) Funny answer is he uses part 1 Dio's freeze to freeze the ground and Pucci goes flying like The Flash vs Captain Cold.
kars is so op hes the only jojo villain who dont die
"You require to kill a specific number of people, go to a specificplace at a specific time, and your speed still has you be vulnerable to outside forces
You are more than a seasonal villain, your full "potential" is consequential at best"
MIH would launch kars into space before kars could finish blinking. MIH has infinite speed. Kars isn't even faster than an old WW2 plane. If anything people oversell Kars.
@@ItsChevnotJeff You do realize Pucci was only vulnerable to one stand in the fight right....Star Platnium. Stated to be the strongest and most invincible stand a few chapters earlier. Even with a time stop Jotaro had to be saved by diver down since pucci is just that fast. SP at his base is light speed and could barely catch MIH. Kars is nowhere near those speeds. He is dead.
@@jackbruno953 Yeah, I guess so, but can you imagine, the whole world is doomed when Kars gets a glimpse at Pucci, and by extension MiH, and begins to copy his abilities. I'm pulling from Novel kars but still
I think Kars has the capability to completely crush C-Moon, as the oneshot of turning Kars inside out doesn't actually atomize him, pillar men have been extremely mobile and able to resist the weirdest and tightest of spaces/adjustments to their own body (Santana was squeezing through vents and into people, but I don't know if that's just Santana's thing or if all the pillar men can), and Kars has the intelligence to use one of Earth's fliers in zero-g, or even one of the microscopic creatures that is basically in zero-g with how dense the air is at that scale compared to the force of gravity on such a small body
it's an all pillarmen thing, for example Wamuu melds with his horse in his fight against Joseph.
edit: Esidisi also hides of Suzie Q.
In the case of Weather Report, the snail thing done through subliminal messaging anyway, right? I think Ultimate Kars would have sharp enough senses to the point where he would actually be able to register the snail images hidden in the rainbows. Therefore, it might not even affect him at all.
how would seeing snails in the rainbow help?
@@thepotatoofheaven
Basically, the idea of subliminal messaging involves giving people information in a way that they don’t consciously realize they’re getting. And then, that would affect their behaviour. If Kars can tell that the images are there, than it’s not really “subliminal messaging” in his case.
I think in some of these scenarios kars would probably be able to pull off some ranged shenanigans, but aside for that this is pretty accurate
Plus with stuff like Blue Hawaii I think they're forgetting the fact he can just fly away
I think with Tusk Act 4 the problem is Kars isn't gonna be standing still for Johnny to just do all the prep work to hit him, he takes out the horse at range, Johnny can't do his super rotation anymore and he can be taken down at his leisure.
Also Kars just send multiple creatures to attack the horse in order to stop Johnny.
Kars can also easily just chop off his limbs that got hit by the rotation, like what Diego did. Once he sees the ability once he’s gonna find a way around it.
Getting kicked by a horse or even touching it while its running is enough for him to use act 4
@@lvlHive Plot twist, Kars turns into a centaur and uses Tusk Act 5
@@NostalgicOccultist tusk act 5 is real
why isnt anyone mentioning how kars could just kill rohan before he summons heavens door? its not a guarantee win for rohan
Doesn’t heavens door have the speed fear of blitzing shinning diamond? I don’t remember if Josuke was off guard or not tho
Rohan outsped Crazy Diamond's Punch which when enraged is faster than STAR PLATINUM
And Rohan has the speed feat of catching up with Made in Heaven's Time Accel in terms of drawing
@@phiexi I know, I'm just saying Kars still has a chance. it's not a guarantee win like wonder of u or something.
Rohan can use Heaven's Door on a person just by thinking in Thus Spoke Rohan Kishibe, so Kars probably can't ourspeed him in that scenario.
@@infernousgaming1393Fair enough, but it does feel kind of like cheating if it's considering growths past the point characters appear in the part in question(or maybe I'm just taking the video title too literal)
With Cheap Trick, he would just make a new life form, make it look at his back, tank the damage and then kill the creature that has cheap trick
I'm pretty sure he'd just absorb CT into his body and have his kidneys punch it until he chooses to let it go
Imagine this. Kars gets Cheap Trick on his back. He makes someone look and his back gets ripped off. They have the stand and he regenerates. He inevitably looks at their back. Krasnodar has a new instant kill move.
He actually survived in the canon series too.
Hes still alive in space.
Heaven's Door: "You are no longer the Ultimate Lifeform."
Kars: Nani?
Also, in some cases, we are forgetting the fact that Pillar Men eat cellularly. If a person (and likely maybe their Stand) were to touch Kars, his body would begin to eat and absorb them on a cellular level.
And it is stated, iirc, that while he is completely frozen in space, Kars is still alive. He just stopped thinking to end his torment.
I'm sure stands don't have cells. Yes, their injuries translate to their users but we gotta remember the universal rule:
Only a stand can harm another stand.
@@shar4803 except when it doesn't
@@reggienullator Then give an example. This is in no way debunking my statement dude
@@shar4803 It is usually true, but in some instances, it is shown to might not be true. While Stands are fighting spirits, they aren't Ghosts.
Easy examples:
Red Hot Chili Peppers - a tire
Star Platinum - road roller (Jotaro felt the impact)
Notorious B.I.G - Spice Girl beat it with a pole, a physical object (not defeat it, just beat)
I think if the physical object/attack can dish more damage than the Stand's durability, it will hurt the Stand in some cases.
@Jay Mercer
Stands are actually more invisible and intangible than ghosts since Reimi couldn't see or interact with Stands in Part 4. Stands also have a lot of instances where they're shown to be souls.
Also, your examples were all objects used by Stands or Stand users who obviously can already interact with Stands, which doesn't help your argument very much.
Wonder of U could hypothetically summon Kars Meteor as a Calamity. 😮
Different universes that Kars does not live in.
@@bionizard5480 Wow. So Steel Ball Universe doesn't even have the same pre-Phantom Blood history? Sheesh@
@@hondaaccord1399 probably doesn’t
Honda Accord I'm pretty sure they said that everyone that was alive at the time of the universe reset got put back in some way so there was a Kars equivalent but we have no idea if they achieved ultimate status unless someone asks Araki
@@MalikrikuSBR universe is completely separate from the original universe, original universe got reset back to its original form, but without Pucci. It did not become SBR universe.
Wouldn't Kars be able to instantly master hamon and the spin in part 7 after seeing Johnny utilise it and since spin is a gateway to stands, he could get something similar to Ball Breaker (but ULTIMATE), then from there maybe even copy other stands similarly to the Jorge Joestar novel? Bro imagine Wonder of U: ULTIMATE
I mean once he gets hit he wont be able to use it properly, even if he centaurs himself to achieve the golden rotation he will still get reverted back to his original form and location before he can do anything.
@@lvlHivewould he still be spinning if he clones himself or would they both just be spinning, and what if they are both spinning but one does a hand stand and they merge together, would it counteract the infinite rotation
@@derpyducks22 If he splits his cells to create a clone, his cells would still be spinning and basically unsplit the cells as they return back to him.
The way i see it, he would either be in FV situation and be stuck in one place for all eternity, or be in Johnny's situation and turn into a picasso in one place for all eternity.
@@lvlHive What happens if he simply sits there, while Johnny gets too tired and falls asleep. Would that dispel the effects of the spin, since Johnny could no longer maintain it?
@@RheaMainz The infinite Rotation is infinite and would persist long after Johnny is dead unless someone shot you with it in the opposite direction. Spin isnt just a stand ability it is a universal force in the SBR universe and stands like Tusk and Ball Breakers are just aiming it.
Kars 400IQ should come more into play in the encounters, like most stand battles don’t end with just raw strength unless you’re star.
yeah kars is a genius its just joseph outgenius him but like kars can beat all the jojo geniuses i think because they relly too much on stands
@@tenkuken7168Very, I doubt Kars would pick up, let alone unsheathe Anubis seeing as he downplays tech and weapons. I'd also think he'd be able to survive being devoured by Cream and could make into and force Vanilla Ice into letting him go and eating him.
I also think some should be labeled as Win like GER and Wonder of U & some should be labeled as Contained like Man in the Mirror and Notorious BIG because he'll win over time, just not now
MIH v Kars is interesting because Kars can’t catch Pucci and Pucci can’t kill Kars. If anyone says he could just punch him to orbit, wtf is Pucci gonna do if Kars just decides to emit a virus around him. Hand to hand combat is not an option for Pucci, Kars can either eat him or just straight up infect him.
(Also brings up a question, if Pucci gets infected while he’s in sped up time, would the virus also get sped up?)
Well most of these fights Kars can just blitz his opponent before they have a chance to use their one shot (Heaven’s Door, Whitesnake, maybe Tusk Act 4)
Kars vs Made in Heaven just made me think of Thirty Fucking Kars In Mars
Since a virus is kind of a living thing, I wouldn’t say it’s accelerated
@@nidhogg8446 Novel Kars is a different beast, he sweeps mostly everyone
Imo Ultimate Kars beats MIH.
Early in MIH before Pucci gained a ton of speed I think Jotaro said that he was moving as fast as a bullet train. That’s fast however some flies have a reaction time of less than 5 milliseconds. If Jotaro could react to MIH early on then so could Kars. So at best for MIH it stalls for a few minutes before it is too fast for Kars to react to but then it just does chip damage to Kars. I see a win condition for Kars but I don’t see one for MIH.
One thing ive thought of was that Pucci could reset the universe far enough to where Kars didnt have the red stone while still weak to sunlight, and Pucci could just find a way to get him into sunlight or smth.
With the speed of the peregrine falcon, infinite life of a jellyfish, strength of a dungbeetle, and other factors of strength from different animals he is almost invincible. Just his sheer speed and strength and unique abilities basically give him a free win in every scenario.
Edit: also waterbear
I would like to point out these are just the scenarios that us lowly mortals can think of. Kars with his 500 IQ and full knowledge of his powers could possibly come up with solutions far more creative.
Like sure he can't really defeat Made in Heaven, but he would definitely be able to kill Pucchi with C Moon by just throwing something at him hard enough, so we never get Made in Heaven.
Any opponent he gets a drop on he can just have infested with fleas that turn into elephants when he feels like, crushing any ordinary human.
Dude, I just thought about it but if Ultimate Kars is in the SBRverse he can technically access all the abilities of rock humans and rock animals, so that would be really funny to see happen
kars survived all of the parts he was just in space
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If Kars picks Anubis he doesn't lose.
Because he's Immortal and Anubis not, eventually the sword will break 😂
Kars thinks about pursuing Wonder of U, he just gets flung into deep space at light speed
With the duplicate Kars theory for Cheap Trick, all Kars would really need to do is probably sever part of himself. Because he's the culmination of every living being, he should, by that logic, have the regenerative power of a starfish, which can duplicate themselves from severed limbs, creating two copies of the original. So yes, Kars could logically clone himself, and you don't even need to stretch that far to say so
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One thing you guys forgot about was that in 7/8, spin is in place of hamon, which would probably mean that Kars would be able to utilize the spin in those scenarios. If this is the case, and due to Kars’ incredible speed, he could probably pry open D4C:LT’s light barrier like Tusk 4 did and punch a spin hole through Valentine(if he gets close, that is).
I absolutely loved this. The collab was great and it sounded really fun for you guys. Awesome video man. It was a really interesting topic.
Even if kars couldn’t see the stand there’s a chance he still could sense it through their horns maybe. Or any other sense in the kingdom. But also we’ve seen invisible stands get duked with so kars would be smart enough to keep a distance and eventually learn what the stand does without even seeing it
he could sense the changes in air surely it would be very difficult but remember hayato did the same or rather something similar by seeing the after effects of the ability's and hes not as smart as Kars
also i think animals other than human can see stands like animals gets stands easily
WoU was actually in Part 2 since Calamity just exists.
Devil's Advocate for the "Kars can see stands". He's the Ultimate Life Form. Once stands started proflierateing, if a monkey and rats can have stands; there is absolutely no way that Kars would not develop a stand. Assumeing he dosen't already have one upon ascension and simply did not use it because he didn;t know of it.
I assume as soon as Kars discovered what a Stand is as the Ultimate Life form, since Stands are connected to your life energy; Kars would immediately unlock one of his own. And since he is the "Ultimate Life Form" it would probably be pretty strong. Presumably; as the "Ultimate Life Form" he would also have the Ultimate Stand.
Kars can beat Rohan if he just speed blitzes Rohan before he can show Kars his art, which is entirely possible.
This happened in Highway Star so yeah Kars Should be able to speed blitz Rohan.
Yeah but later rohan doesnt have to use his art he can just draw on air if i remember correctly
Isn't it mention by Araki that while MiH was active Rohan was able to draw manga before the pen dried up? I don't think it's possible for Kars to blitz him faster than he draws
@@_Shadu_ That's most likely because Rohan wrote in himself "Rohan Kishibe cannot miss deadlines". Which would fall under prep time.
Been waiting for this, thank you
*Laughs in Light Novel Kars*
I wish there were more these types of videos. I love the could x survive y format so much.
I have an argument in favor of Kars vs Wonder of U. So like, realistically Kars could continue to regenerate from most the the calamity that comes his way. If Kars would continue to pursue him, then these calamities would have to escalate to the point where they would have to cause some world ending event, which would result in a draw. That’s a possibility.
Or, you could just have one calamity just launch him into space.
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Kars would simply blitz nearly every character and stand
This is just gonna turn into Jorge Joestar
The wonder of u over heaven ultimate act 5
(Requiem)
We are on the same thought process nacho.He's going to have every stands ultimate over Heaven requiem Act infinite feedback wound love train Jesus hamon spin go beyond version
Theres many abilities you didnt mention in the video that kars could have become plants like fungi and release spores taking peoples minds over making an apocalypse. He would basically be a planetary level threat to galaxy level threat because he could use space ships if he wanted to because it would work like a hivemind.
Kars vs Stone Ocean be like:
Bohemian Rhapsody: "Hey, its me, Goku!"
Kars turns into a snail...then turns back to normal.
That was a very funny video, I just think it's funny imagining kars as a protagonist just doing what the mcs did but afterwards he just finishes it
I find it interesting how kars could beat most parts by flying because most high ap stands don't have the range and those that do cant kill him
Notorious BIG would just become Kars' pet, and they would star in a lovely sitcom together.
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15:30 Kars would literally just play rock, paper and scissor all at the same time
What about jail house lock ? Let's say that he'd touch the stand's ability, that would've been a win for part 6. I think.
You could make the argument that he could create an animal to hunt down the stand user if he's seen her. Jolyne forgot things but still had basic knowledge like how to eat and use her stand ability, so it's safe to say Kars would know he can create life still and that's unaffected by the memory power. There's nothing stopping Kars from just killing the entire prison either since he could unlike Jolyne and it would be in character. Also when the user dies, it's probable he'd get all his memories back so like Man in the Mirror it feels temporary at best
@@shadowofdimentio4618 Jail House Lock works by removing the ability to create new memories. You still have all your memories from before you were affected by the stand so he would be fine
Unlike regular humans, I think Kars would kill almost any human he sees, so it would be basic instinct to kill any non-prostrating human before him.
I have been waiting for this for a long time
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I personally like to joke about Superfly defeating all of the most powerful Stands, but I have to say that D4C and Ultimate Kars are the two characters who actually could just _win._ Maybe? Can Kars actually create souls? The manga doesn't go into that... Still, not mentioning the Stand is a missed opportunity.
You know, with just a minute of prep time and an ally, Kira could set up Bites the Dust and defeat Kars effortlessly, assuming his regeneration is not too strong.
"Hey, Mr. Kars! That guy over there - that's Yoshikage Kira!"
That's if it keeps resetting, it only re set if others saw Killer Queen Hayoto and would Kars be looking for Kira or how would he die?
@@mandalorianhunter1 He did try to use it at the very end of his life, setting it up on a random nurse and confessing, in the hopes that she would immediately turn around and tell someone else, so I do not see why not.
@@wewserlethaldude9 yeah because they all knew at that minute, we aren't sure how it works when the victim doesn't blow up or killer queen isn't found out. The others could see it, Not Kars or anyone else.
4:43 If it's ultimate life form Kars he would just grow wings and fly back if Star Platinum threw him his throw has to be powerful than a rocket
I need more Meta I and Kaleb vids y'all had me dying bro
The idea of Kars wandering around just kinda chilling and every now and then getting his shit kicked on by some invisible punch ghost he can't do shit about still tickles me
Imagine Kars agains Bohemian Rhapsody and as you've stated, the story would be more history. So now Kars gets in this bad scenario and then he just goes "actually, this is wrong. I was there, I know it happened like this" and ge gets out of the ability 😂
My brain :
Kars can survive all of 1-6 without luck
My brain after :
Nice.
One of the most hilarious videos I've seen, good fucking job lmao
What if kars just recreates the virus which gives stands, and gains his very own stand, and even get a requiem stand, as he could evolve it himself, rather than a forced evolution from a stand arrow
If WoU follows final destination rules the newest thing pursuing is the next to die Kars can just summon independent creatures like the squirrel until he reaches the user unless they still count as Kars.
11:30 Well again this is why Kars is very very smart he would just set Rohan up in a trap or get someone else like hypothetically Wamuu to do it
23:35 Kars comming out of the mirror dimension like: Hu? oh wow 80 years have passed? time really flies once you experience the agony of being stuck in stone for millenia. Anyway back to killing.
Kars could freeze himself like dio and sheer heart attack couldn't see him
Pucci couldn't throw Kars into space as gravity was also infinitely sped up and pucci hasn't really gotten many lifting strenght feats
Kars has 500IQ, ain't no way he's losing to a REGULAR CHILD in Rock Paper Scissors. He'd be able to perfectly predict the kid's next 20 moves in seconds.
Kars' reaction speed should be fast enough to just instantly counter anything RPS kid pulls out.
For white album there are animlas who can survive freezing because of a chemical that blunts ice crystals so they dont damage cells or Kars would just turn his entire body into abs and heat hmself up.
For tusk act 4 it'd probably be fine for a while but hed definitely be able to learn and master spin while waiting, thats assuming kars gets hit before he can kill Johnny.
The biggest downside of kars is that he was blindsided by an extreme and near instant defeat so we really never got to see him in action beyond a couple of minutes.
I like how most of it devolved into "and then he gets flung into space" lmao