The funny thing is, Savathun's never really had any open revilement for Humanity as a species insofar as I know; she doesn't seem to have the same taste for zealous genocide that her sister does. I don't think she finds much intrinsic value in our kind, but by the same token I can't find any source that states any true hatred for mankind. I don't think Savathun has any more love or hate for us than she does for the Fallen or the Cabal or any of the other unnamed countless races she's aided in destroying before. It was always just a means to an end, never anything personal. That having been said, it is also my belief that the Witch Queen has gotten tired of her long dedication to the Deep for more reasons than the drawbacks on its power. I think she's sick of it; the death, the destruction, the "Final Shape" nonsense. There are Altar of Reflection entries wherein she openly ponders the pointlessness of being the only one left to witness the majesty of the universe, and of how interesting she found the lives of those around her during her time as Osiris in the City. And really, doesn't that just make sense when you look at who Savathun is? I find it hard to believe a being as old and thoughtful and wizened as Savathun could serve an entity like the Witness for so long and not see the pointlessness in the Final Shape. To not recognize the emptiness of the endeavor to destroy suffering by destroying anything that has the capacity to suffer. Toland was once quoted in an analysis of the Hive's dependency on their worms to have said, "They have missed the point of being dead". Yet in a twist of irony, the most cunning Hive of all seems to have realized that the Witness has missed the point of being alive. Time will tell whether or not she becomes a true ally to Humanity, but I think it's fair to say that Savathun is getting tired of being our enemy.
My theory is that Savathun did this with a whole bunch of families, and the chant was how she interfered with the Collapse. I think the Witness was going to destroy the Traveler during the Collapse and Savathun hid it somehow. Maybe with the power granted by tricking hundreds or even thousands of people into singing her song.
and that could be how the wittness was "sent back among the stars". no way it could have retreated since it has an army and the traveler fleed everytime
And Savathun has also proven to enjoy being among people under the traveler not for any strategic reason but just for the thrill of observing and engaging with them. So no, she does like to take chances here and there. The entire reason she has a Ghost is because she took a chance on the traveler
She also felt real sympathy for crow and wanted to feel proper emotion the more she was around us. People were happy, and she wanted to be happy as well.
The "song" singing part is probably what was key, a hive magic chant that might even had played into the deception of the Witness and the failure of the collapse
my bet is she made this deal with many people around the world. having a bunch of people walking the world, and chanting this spell, had them "weave" the deception that saved the traveler
The Traveller was drawn to Earth by a song. In light of this Lore, de can make bets What happened. Savathun brought the Traveller to Earth. Savathun indirectly created the guardians.
@@majesticmajestic7058 No. The Traveller was on Mercury, then he moved to Mars, then it moved to Io. And from there it was interrupted and forced to out of the terraforming midway, and It went to Earth
It's worth noting that the syllables and comma within that chant match up with the pattern of Savathun's motif / song, which we've all heard about ad nauseam by this point. Myelin talked about where that whole song thing ended up going a little bit ago, but I don't think we're done discovering what she is capable of with that sort of thing. Not done by a long shot.
I was thinking this same thing. It does match the 'lil ditty' that we know. I'm super interested in seeing how these next seasons build up to our next big bad boss :)
The fact that the song didnt come up at allllll during the witch queen storyline really shocked me! I thought for sure there’d have been some big reveal directly related to it
Imagine being the modern day descendant of the Rigbys living in the last city. Do you know how important it is that the Vanguard reaches out to them? This could be such a cool way to show some more of the Last City, even if its just a cutscene. I almost imagine it like a swat house raid, the Rigby absolutely confused as their house is being torn apart, and then Zavala walks in. "We need to have a word."
This Lore Tab is such a great riff on the folklore of the Southern US... for example the song "Crossroads" by the Delta Blues legend Robert Johnson (made more famous by Eric Clapton). It's a really fantastic fusion of existing folklore with Destiny lore... brilliant.
Right? The idea of people thinking Savathun is “the Devil” when they meet her is perfect, because of course they would. Nobody on earth during the Golden Age had any idea what a Hive was.
A lot of Destiny's strongest lore bits seem to alternate between cosmic forces of philosophical providence and cautionary tales of antebellum mythos, and I am in love with its constant contrast between the fantastic and the mundane.
I like to think that this really was just Savathun helping them out, just for the heck of it. There wasn't really any deal made, it was the equivalent of seeing a fly banging into a window and opening it to let it outside instead of killing it. To the family, this was an impossibly generous act that saved their lives, something that will surely carry a heavy debt that will one day have to be collected. To Savathun, this was the most insignificant action she could've taken in the scenario behind not doing anything.
@@joelbarr1163 exactly. This would be the actual Savathuns song. All the others weve Heard are derivatives of its viral influence, Only having the motif, but this would be the pure and original Savathun song.
@@joelbarr1163 Oh dang you're right! I noticed that it was 4 beats and 4 beats, like other people did, but I didn't notice the repeated notes on the same words! I played it on my piano to make sure.
With how good Savathune is at 'predicting' things I think she may have foresaw a time where she would need someone inside the city. Maybe to help her accomplish things, or retrieve something. If that chant or the deal made could bind the bloodline to her then she may have found a way to retrieve her captured body for her hive ghost to rez her at a particular time. Possibly when the vanguard and the guardians are occupied with a new and more powerful enemy? This is all speculation but it would also fall well within her normal crazy abilities to prepare for darn near anything.
This was also my thought. I can see Immaru or some other agent of the Hive coming to the Rigby family and collecting this debt in the near-ish future. They'd need to give them the means to recover Savathun's corpse, or enact some distraction for the Vanguard / the Hidden so it can be recovered by other means. Given how the City's security has been easily penetrated in the past by various groups, this feels very possible.
@@elaron2537 Another thought is that with their family living near the traveler since before the golden age there is a high chance that one of them has been made a guardian, and if not.... possibly first hive ghost non-hive guardian via rising the first one to make the deal with one of the hive ghosts?
Rigby family clearly going to be the ones to recover Savathun's body for her ghost. It also could theoretically be one of the Guardians. We don't know our past, but it is possible that even as a Guardian her Hive magic will compel the Guardian to act on her behalf.
I always thought we will be the ones to decide that we need savathun ( probably to fight xivu ) and I dont see how a human family can infiltrate a hight security place ( where I suppose the vanguard keeps her body ) but your guardian theory is actually quite interesting
I can see this happening D1 Vet: Guardian is known to be a Rigby which would explain our erratic behavior D2 Vet: Guardian is known to have been infected by Savathuuns song which would explain our erratic behavior New Light: Vanguard told us to find Savathuun's body, get tricked by one of Savathuun's tricks
What about Lavinia, the cryptarch in training, who met the 9 and got teleported on a floor in a cabin with Savathûn, she has the access to probably do it.
@Mr Pickles fair enough. But on the battle of the six fronts I'm pretty sure that some ghosts were cut off from their guardian and count revive them. And saint and another guardian had to clear a way for them. That's what I can recall. And If they dont need the body then why wouldnt immaru revive savathun rn ?
They were chanting the song and that was pulling the "star" closer to earth. I believe that the "star" was actually the traveler. The darkness and the fleet came to destroy the traveler but the family essentially performed a ritual to pull it towards earth, hiding it as a result. Savathun was then able to lie to the witness about traveler's escape and darkness left only to be summoned again when traveler reawakened - destruction of Ghaul. Savathun couldn't perform the ritual because the witness would surely notice but a family of humans could. That family probably founded the last city - the last city is in debt to Savathun.
Savathun does occasionally do things without strategy. Remember, she chose to listen to us and crow just having random conversations and laughing by a campfire because it made her feel warm. It's obvious there's some softness in her, something left of the krill she was. The traveler wouldn't have wanted to choose her or the hive if there wasn't anything inside of them it wanted
the accent they're speaking with, the food their ancestors ate is chitlins, meeting the devil at a crossroad, devil seeing shawn scrap for land that he can't call his-like a sharecropper-.....telling him to follow a star (like slaves used to for freedom). I think shawn rigby was a black man from Louisiana. the 'devil' may have sypothised from seeing how much shawn had to suffer. IDK
@@harrymillar4193 who said 'ONLY benifits' ? the 'devil' told them wheich direction to walk.... thats it. and now they are indebted to the 'devil' (which is usually how making deals with the devil works)
Byf, One of the constellation Lore i believe from the point of view of the Traveller states: "You are drawn to a small Planet following a song. Was It your idea all along?" Savathun's song matches the tempo and syllables of this one Sean Rigby was told. So It can be the true Savathun's song. Conclusion: Savathun had the humans humm Savathun's song, which compelled the Traveller to decide to make its Last stand on Earth rather Than anywhere else. And its from here that she tricks the Witness into believing the Traveller is dead. The Rigby family were simply pawns, and the debt she has with them might have been getting the Traveller into position or she never needed them again. Maybe her plan Only would work if the words were spoken by a human, and Rigby would be a perfect fit, a desperate man Who would Accept to make a "deal with the devil" Ultimately I dont think the Rigbies Will have any impact in the Lore from now on, more so It fleshes out that Savathun did something to the humans that drew the Traveller closer Then id go on a limb to say that indirectly Savathun is the reason guardians exist in the first place, since the Traveller then uplifted humanity as a weapon, creating the guardians.
In my opinion, the only human that had anything to do with hive debts, collections, and bargains (at least lore wise) from what I know is The Drifter. It'll be interesting to see where this Sean Rigbey stuff will go.
I remember when I first got the shell and was mind blown reading this. I don't think she knew exactly what would happen or if there would be a last city, but she knew the traveler would possibly protect humanity and it was her way of either keeping tabs on humanity to observe the traveler or have some kind of influence so that she could find a way to vicariously benefit from the traveler through humanity. One thing I'm sure of is that this interaction lead to her influence in the city such as the spread of her song among the children and people outside the tower, which there's no telling how long or how deep her influence ran before we became aware of it or throughout the Last City's history. She could have had some kind of influence on the Consensus this whole time. We definitely need more history and lore on humanity as well as the Last City as a whole in general.
If I’m understanding this correctly, this bargain was struck before the First Collapse, meaning before the guardians were created. My theory is that the “debt” that the Hive was referring to May have been Osiris. Osiris in his past life may have been a member of this “Rigby” family, and when he was resurrected as a guardian, she may have reclaimed her debt with the use of Osiris. She gets a key position in the Tower, and learns of the secrets of the Light. Then again, just spitballing a theory.
@@thefatherinthecave943 People were flying out to Saturn and back for vacation during the golden age. I'm sure moving a few hundred miles on the same planet wouldn't be a problem.
Rigby could be a Guardian we already know and they have no memory of their meeting, or Rigby changed to something else over the years through marriage. Maybe Amanda Holiday? She's the only one I know to have a southern drawl.
Hey Byf, here's a thought: What if the debt that the Rigbys owed was the Traveler itself? The campaign never really clearly explains how the Traveler is lured into the Throne World during the events of "The Ritual", so maybe the chant they made not only pulled the Traveler to the Last City but also primed it for manipulation later on?
On the Ritual Savathun was supposedly using the power hidden on the Tablets of Ruin to move worlds. Tho if she no longer could use the dark powers i dont understand how she did
There are people who lived through the collapse, but the only notable one we know of is deceased, The Speaker. In Constellations, he mentioned "Grainy Footage of Venus being terraformed". I feel that Savathûn wouldn't pick someone random, she would pick someone with a "Gift". Being able to receive "dreams" from the Traveler is certainly a gift. But the problem with our Speaker is that there is no mention of his family in any capacity, only his mentor. While there are other "Speakers" he is the only one that is known to have survived the Collapse. Though my idea may - or may not - be the closest thing to an answer to who "Sean Rigby", it still is a tangled mess of red string, about as much validity for it as saying "Xûr is Sjur Eido because their names are similar".
The Constellations lore book is written from the perspective of many different Speakers, the one talking about seeing Venus get terraformed being the first. The Speaker who appears in the games has some entries later in the book, where he mentions being "the child of two self-exiles," which probably means he's the son of two Earthborn Awoken.
"You sing, 'Al Eck Ruk Nam, Shu Nam Eck Ur,' until you call that star down to Earth." = 8 syllables...able to be sung to the 8 notes of Savathun's Song. Sav's Song has been apart of Humanity since before the collapse, and apparently could even be a factor in what called the Traveler to Earth during the collapse.
She probably met with many “potential survivors” and the chant is a means of transporting her body or unlocking a protocol in her ghost that will revive her.
I believe Bungie scrapped a lot of their old story and added this lore later. This name isn't in the old lore cause it's legit new add on. It's like the "darkness". They admitted that they didn't know what the "darkness" was in D1.
Not only that, but they seem to be going back with that old Forsaken (and seson of the drifter, with Lavinia's story and all) concept of Savvy being on Earth with humanity long before Oryx and his Hive entered the system.
@@victorabaderamos6019 Well that makes sense, because why the hell would Clovis Bray build a Vex gate when the only beings who encountered them were the Hive, Crota to be exact and that was old lore from Destiny 1. Most is the writing is done to be able to add missing parts later.
@@evilformerlys4704 If I remember correctly, the Vex were the first to openly engage Golden Age humanity, and Clovis bulit that gate to visit a Vex star system for his Exo project. Crota's Hive decided to show their faces only moments before the Collapse, Nokris and Xol appeared roughly at the same time, and Savathûn was already here long before any of them (and if we believe Truth to Power, she even served as inspiration for several trickster deities along human history)
Maybe the "sang" part is important? Like if it was sung in a particular way, it might sound like Savathun's Song. That may, then, be the first instance of Savathun's song being chanted on Earth.
The chant has two series of four single syllable "words". I bet it follows Savathun's Song's melody. Perhaps the goal was to infect the remnants of humanity with the viral chant?
A good starting point to find the Rigby’s, if they already exist outside of this one piece of lore, would be to look into anything pertaining to the early days of the last city. They would have been the first people there, so they likely had a hand in most of the early days when it was just a few tents.
Y'know, you'd think Savathun having played a part in the founding of The Last City would be like, this huge mind-blowing reveal, but by the time I got to that bit of lore, it was just like... "Yeah, no, that sounds about right."
@MyNameIsByf I think there is something of great significance here. Two things: While Savathûn surveyed the people of Earth, she saw someone who has a very relatable background to her own. Rigby was in a rough position and she new that "family" meant a lot to Rigby. She gave him advice on how to survive and probably made him chant a protection spell of some kind. She did something that she couldn't do for herself, which was protect a family that was in danger. This also means that she new exactly how the collapse was going to play out...
Or she saw someone in trouble, knew or betted that the traveller would go to earth so she go someone to introduce her song to the city. I think she has done too many horrendous action to feel sympathy
@@papercamera2989 knowing Savathûn, it was probably both. She did help him... But also used him... She loved her family but was also willing to betray them. She is definitely an in betweener lol
"What could a random family in the tower offer the hive?" Maybe drawing a single rune somewhere? Like one of those funny transposition runes savathun used to swap places with osiris when mara was about to stab her? Or literaly any other hive rune?
You need Darkness powers to use them. A hive lightbearer was bored and started drawing runes on the mud. Before they were powerful tithing runes but now they were powerless scribbles
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 Tithing runes aren't gonna do shit if you can't recieve the Tithe, the hive would need the now dead worm inside them to recieve the tithe. Also source please?
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 I don't think you need a worm or a Darkness connection to use Hive magic. Eris uses magic and she's no longer paracausal. The Worm gods told the three sisters that they would teach them to call upon the Darkness with signs and rituals.
@@michaelhenry3234 Hive Magic not, bit Darkness powers I think you need. In the lure Savathun looked at the glaive Blade and mused: "Theres memory on this weapon. Perhaps the-thing-I-was could recover It, but the-thing-I-am-now cannot. I must outsource my memory recovery, i Must use someone Who Can keep light and dark in their breast"
What if Osiris' pre risen name is Sean Rigby? If "the Devil" was in fact Savathun, then her coming back to reclaim the "skin" or identity of Sean Rigby to inact her super elaborate plan would've been the ultimate "deal with the devil" move on his part.
One question I have that remains unanswered (as far as I know) is this: Where did Savathun stash Osiris when she took his form? As best I can tell, right at the end of the Season of the Lost she swapped places with wherever Osiris was so that Mara Sov couldn't kill her. Additionally, we get that cutscene of Savathun talking to the Traveler as she dies before she is resurrected by Imaru, which had to have happened right after Season of the Lost and before the start of Witch Queen. To me, it looks like she's just on a cliff just outside of the Last City, with a great view of the Traveler in that cutscene. Just outside the city....just like a certain Rigby family?? Maybe the "debt" has already collected by having the Rigby family stash Osiris while she took his form right under our noses, a family that is loyal to her but we assume would be on our side. Maybe???? Or am I just crazy?
That’s very thin Just because the Rigby family lived close to the city on a cliff and Savathun was close to the city on a cliff once doesn’t mean anything. Also savathun could have put Osiris in her throne world or literally anywhere better. There is no advantage putting him with the Rigby family over somewhere where we literally couldn’t reach and was her most protected stronghold
I immediately thought of Savathûn's Song when I read that chant. It has the same amount of syllables and things, and it wouldn't surprise me if that song was part of a plan to lure the Traveler towards humanity in some way.
I'd read this lore already and immediately thought this was Savathun. I would be very surprised if it didn't turn out there were more families approached by her during the collapse. All from different directions, all pointed towards the traveller, all told the same or a similar chant. All marching toward the soon-to-be last city creating a planetwide geomantic spell across the planet all culminating in the moment they reach the last city and suddenly to the witness the traveller seems to have disappeared... Would fit the words of the worm quite nicely.
Wait.... Yea you hit the spot!! Itd be weird if she reached Only to a single family... But Savathuns song drew the Traveller to Earth. And Savathuns song has a strong memetic effect, between which includes massive levels of stealth. That you can look at someone and as soon as you turn around you forget they were there at all (What happened with Shaxx and the Ahamkara skull). Savathun on her own could not fathom to cloak the Traveller. But an entire city (or Many people) , all of them singing the same cloaking spell? The combined potency of the spell would have enough to trick the Witness once. Shrouding the Traveller
If I had to make a guess, I'd say the Rigby family held some sort of role in the formation of the Last City, which the Traveler resides above after the collapse. Savathûn clearly had an interest in the Traveler back during the Collapse, so by letting the Rigby family know where the Traveler would descend down to Earth so they can make the Last City underneath it, it could be seen as a sort of marker for future reference of the Traveler's location. As for the chant, it could be something that lets Savathûn know that the deal has been upheld and that the City still stands, and therefore the Traveler is still there, so that she could enact her plan to receive the Light centuries later. Obviously there are holes in this idea, but it seems like the most sensible hypothesis for why Savathûn would make such a random deal
Don't know if anyone else has mentioned it but the chant is almost definitely Savathun's song. The notes to Savathun's song are C# E F# D# / B D# E A#. The repeated words in the chant are in the exact same position as the repeated notes in the song. My guess is this was the first time she infected humanity with her song. To what I end? We do not know. Also, I'm super excited to hear TSLAYP is returning! I've loved all the Witch Queen content so far and can't wait to see what shenanigans you guys have been up to!
Imagine if Shawn Rigby is the Father of the guardian. As far as we know, each ghost is destined to a specific person (from of that lore of Rhulk trying to bind a Ghost). Sooooo, if Savathûn knew Shawn's son/daughter would become a guardian or somehow connected to the Traveler ... I may be wrong, 'cause before the colapse, there were no guardians.
Savathun went down to Georgia looking for some light to steal. She was in a bind, the witness on her mind, she was looking to make a deal. She walked her tall three eyed body up to a man working in the hot and whispered in his ear, sir let me tell you what. I bet you didn’t know it but I’m from a struggling family too, and if you care to take a dare I’ll save you, your family, and the traveler too.🎻
I'd wager that whatever that chant was is what was needed. Savathûn is... was always several steps ahead. Until she comes to collect, that family is singing to the traveller. Back right before the collapse, desperate humans walked towards it, singing a hive song. Savathûn wove a spell around the Traveller to steal it, and her magic is often filled with deception. Savathûn deceived the Witness during the collapse, too. It is entirely possible that, given how paracausal forces embody intent and follow will, she needed or benefitted from people doing things knowingly, willingly, but not understanding them. Or thinking they were doing something for one reason, when it was for another. Maybe the deception of someone into being part of the spell is a necessary part of the spell. I'd wager that the debt was being paid, one quiet, fearful song at a time, every sunset, or that the debt was paid sooner than that man knew when Savathûn engineered the Witness's failure.
I strongly believe that Savathun was Nezarec, interpreted by humans as a God/Goddess of Death. (assuming my timeline of Nezarec is correct, and it's not pre-golden age, unless Savathun was also on Earth pre-golden age, then I stand by it)
Rigby Family gonna recover her corpse and give it to the lucent hive? Feel like that’s too major of a story beat to have characters mentioned in the lore of a ghost perpetrate.
Imma go out on the longest limb here and say that Sean Rigby is the guardian. It makes sense to me that the man who called down the traveller is the most powerful guardian and has communed with it on occasions. Also the guardian is the catalyst for everything surrounding the hive and the witch queen.
The song Byf, the payment is the song. Remember that most hive spells/rituals are done by reciting words, and since it is Savathun... the song may be the clue. The spell to trick the Witness? Savathun's song spreading across humanity? We just need to wait for Bungie to continue with the lore.
@@awkwardllama0509 It would be interesting to see how the city people would react. In the warlord days, she would be seen as just another warlord, but not, since those days are long gone and the guardians that the people know now are nurturing, things might have a very interesting turnout.
@@TasmanianGodGeo there was one city researcher who broke into a heavily monitored data center who, when found, was saved from the city's wrath by savathun, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility for savathun to have pulled the right strings somewhere in the city.
Something i find interesting is that there are exactly enough syllables in the song savathun gave them for each syllable to correspond to a note in savathuns song. Food for thought.
Given Savathun's pension for planning, cunning, and trickery, I wouldn't be surprised to find out one day that our Gaurdian's real name used be, Rigby.
Nah; to be honest, I like the idea that our Guardian’s past is our past - they were made a blank slate so we can immerse ourselves in the story. Also, Savathûn couldn’t have known that the Traveller would release Ghosts that would give people to power to resurrect
My theory is that she saved the family because they're outsiders: they mention how they squat outside the walls. They're nobodies. But nobodies who are desperate and loyal enough to keep the bargain. They were also probably the closest suitable candidate to the traveler at the time, given how they had to walk.
Byf, the song she told him to sing. It fits the Savathûn‘s song syntax; even down to the comma. Say the words in the refrain of it and it fits perfectly. We learned the lyrics to Savathûn’s song. Crazy.
Something that's been bothering me about the premise of viewing memories. If Savathun was able to create the Altars of Reflection for the purpose of viewing memories linked to artifacts, how do we know she hadn't seen the memory of the familiar and their original destiny to be blessed by the traveler? What if her longest con was to position the 3 hive gods to be resurrected by the traveler and to destroy the witness as vengeance for locking them into the blood tithe? Maybe as the story progresses we will see the hive gods shed their worms and become allies against the darkness? I'm spitballing here but maybe some of the one off, against the norm actions of Savathun is linked to her long game against the witness?
Not likely. Savathun built the "machine" the altar of reflection to reproduce the memories like a CD player directly into her mind. She could sense if something held a memory, but she could not activate the memories on her own. All the memories we have shown her are the ones she remembers, but the worm familiar was "encrypted". Something, wether It was being so old the memory was literally irrecoverable or something else, prevented us from showing It to her the first time. Only after Ikora reverts its time with the Enclave do we reproduce the memory. Savathun had no idea she had been tricked. And id wager she didnt know she had been tricked when she was Alive either.... That was NOT a memory of Savathun. That was a memory from the Witness itself (the narrator speaking is the Witness while in all the other ones its Savathun narrating them)
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 the worm couldn't be plugged into the alter of reflection because the worm didn't have a memory that Savathun could recall. All the other objects held the residue of her previous life which could be reconstructed but since the worm is a foreign entity, the alter rejected it. After all, how can you remember something you never had a memory of?
You know who immediately came to mind as My Name is Byf started reading the Lore in a southern accent, Amanda Holliday... A character who is shown to, despite not being a Guardian, have a fixation on making herself a fixture in the Tower, and among those at the Tower in positions of importance. She was shown to be present at the completion of the Tower being built, or a portion of the wall being built as a child. Which implies she likely has family within the Last City.
Can't remember if it's the Chaperone quest line or the chaperone lore card, but it mentions that Chaperone is a replica of the weapon Amanda's mom carried around to protect refuges on the way to the last city. (Hence the name)
Is this saying the Traveler is the "star that fell"? If not, I wonder what exactly fell when they were directly under the traveler. Maybe something for her to eventually steal it? Interestingly, the Bible mentions Demons as Angels that diobeyed and describes them as stars that fell from the sky. Of course the devil being the most important of those.
So much to unpack here, I just want to vent about it and see what people think. Starting from the basics, meeting the "Devil" at a crossroads is present in folklore since the ancient greeks, having to do with deals with the devil, and other supernatural activities. The crossroads here is not some coincidence, making me believe even more this could be Savathun or some kind of shade or visage of savathun. The sweet voice and talk about foresight is just the frosting on top. Then there's the chant. This might be a long shot, but I think it's hinting towards Savathun's Song itself. We can't possibly know what the words mean themselves, but if you sing the words to the tune of the song, it fits like a glove. It's also not just a chant, as the hive visage in question says to SING it to the star. Wild lore tab, great video as always byf, keep it up man I love the knowledge bombs you drop
In the story the narrator talked about how the Devil roamed and granted wishes and that he knew that was true because Sean was one of those people. My guess is that the Rigby family is just one of many humans that struck a bargain with Savathûn and were then saved by being under the Traveller singing her song. In that case the debt wouldn't be with just one human family, but every single descendant that only exists because she "saved" their families in the Collapse, maybe the whole human race could be indebted to Savathûn
I think Sean Rigby's family will be the connection to Savathun that allows her to return in a new form. Wouldn't it be interesting if we killed her Hive form, but she split a part of herself into one of the Rigbys and returns as a human? Just a thought.
Ok, i have a message for Shrike: 1) Your supposed to use the Parasite weapon at the end of the parasite mission, they set it up for you to have fun trying it out. 2) Get the goddamned Gjallrhorn catalyst dude! its been Months since the thing dropped!!
"The Devil is a lady". We know this devil to be hive, tall, and a lady. Savathun obviously. Anyways, the Rigby family were likely some of the first to create the Last City. And of course the heirs are likely important as Savathun wouldn't make such a deal with some no names. What if, and this is just some serious speculation... But what if we heard the stories of the Rigby family, and we know of a Rigby right now but we don't know her name or at least what her name once was? What if Lakshmi-2 was once a Rigby? The lore says the debt has yet to be collected on, but we don't really know when that lore was written so maybe Savathun came to collect that debt during Season of the Splicer.
I took this as another reference to the Beatles - references which have happened quite inconsistently in Destiny 2. Rigby - Eleanor Rigby. I never thought it was lore related to this extend merely another fun Beatles reference.
Is it possible that the “song” is somehow an encantation that trapped the traveler on earth? Aka Savathûn acting through others? Only read the lore tab, haven’t watched the video yet, we’ll see what Byf says. That was just my initial thought
I don't th8nk so because during the collapse the Traveler was gonna dip out until Rasputin shot it and damaged it and the Traveler hasn't be active until recently
@@wolfmcsnipes4192 why do people still say this??? Rasputin didn't shoot the traveller. There was a failsafe to shoot the traveller *if* it ran away, but that plan was never enacted because the traveller never ran. Rasputin didn't shoot the traveller.
Maybe the Rigbys are connected to the cult who made all the counterfeit Thorns. That chant and a hive connection could have led to their ability to creat weapons of sorrow. A family with a direct connection to Ur could explain why a cult could make these weapons while some skilled researchers struggled through the process. My Thorn Lore is a bit rusty, but the Striga video I watched the other day left some questions this may answer.
Let's not forget that Lakshmi transmission on season of the splicer where she tells about the song that everyone in the city is singing, which was Savathun's song. That can't be left unused
Here's something interesting. The devil meeting people at a crossroads is a old American fable. Used in many tales. Beautifully crafted lore from the Golden age. Love destiny
Amanda in lightfall is just like: hey guardian I found an old photo of my Great great granddad. Jedidiah Rigby, pretty nice righ-…why’re you looking at me like that?
Given they would have been some of the first to settle under the Traveler, they might now know secret ways in and out of the Last City. Ways that could be used in retrieving Savathun's body. Or, they weren't the only family given this deal. She made this deal with several families, sending them all to be the first settlers beneath the Traveler in hopes one or more become prominent or powerful members of the Last City.
The song the Rigbys sing/whistle is most likely that wonderful song we know little about...Savathun's Song. Whoever this Devil is, she says she'll "Whistle up a way to protect 1 thing" for Sean. Don't know of many Hive that sing songs of influence other than Giant ass Moth Lady... Plus if it was the deathsong there'd be some death involved, so there's that lol
The chant is 2 lines of 4 “words”. Could be chanted to the tune of savathun’s song. Maybe the first time that song was sung on earth, and is still reverberating to this day
If the Devil was in fact Savathûn, I suspect two things were in play: 1. This was a deception enacted to feed her worm, among other possible aims. 2. The song given to Rigby has the right amount of syllables to fit THE song. It could have been a subtle virus in the City centuries earlier than Lord Shaxx singing about moon cheese.
All of a sudden that line in Truth to Power, where she referred to herself in the names of old trickster gods...it makes you wonder since when was Savvy walking our Earth.
Sean Rigby met Savathûn in a place that was “wet [and] hotter than the fires of Perdition?” Oh my god… Savathûn was in Florida during the Golden Age…
Oh damn, she really was 🤣
That...that would explain a lot.
You haven't been to Pennsylvania in the summer have you
Florida man sells soul to the devil?
"The devil went down to Florida, she was hoping to sell some weed"
Savathûn : Humanity will suffer and perish…
Rigby: * exists *
Savathûn : Except you, you stay
Apparentely she just likes racoons
Your name sounds funny, you can live and prosper at price.
Fuck I ship it
The funny thing is, Savathun's never really had any open revilement for Humanity as a species insofar as I know; she doesn't seem to have the same taste for zealous genocide that her sister does. I don't think she finds much intrinsic value in our kind, but by the same token I can't find any source that states any true hatred for mankind. I don't think Savathun has any more love or hate for us than she does for the Fallen or the Cabal or any of the other unnamed countless races she's aided in destroying before. It was always just a means to an end, never anything personal. That having been said, it is also my belief that the Witch Queen has gotten tired of her long dedication to the Deep for more reasons than the drawbacks on its power. I think she's sick of it; the death, the destruction, the "Final Shape" nonsense. There are Altar of Reflection entries wherein she openly ponders the pointlessness of being the only one left to witness the majesty of the universe, and of how interesting she found the lives of those around her during her time as Osiris in the City. And really, doesn't that just make sense when you look at who Savathun is?
I find it hard to believe a being as old and thoughtful and wizened as Savathun could serve an entity like the Witness for so long and not see the pointlessness in the Final Shape. To not recognize the emptiness of the endeavor to destroy suffering by destroying anything that has the capacity to suffer. Toland was once quoted in an analysis of the Hive's dependency on their worms to have said, "They have missed the point of being dead". Yet in a twist of irony, the most cunning Hive of all seems to have realized that the Witness has missed the point of being alive. Time will tell whether or not she becomes a true ally to Humanity, but I think it's fair to say that Savathun is getting tired of being our enemy.
@@joeyberg5765 yes
Savathûn: "I do this, and you'll owe me a favor."
Spider: "Am I a joke to you?"
Savathûn: "...Was that a serious question?"
Bro that had me in tears 🤣
When I saw that chant, I instinctively linked it to Savathun's Song. It fits seamlessly with the notes of the song when chanted to it.
Came here to say the EXACT same thing.
Iiiiiii'm on the moooooon.... Iiiiiit's maaaade of cheeeeeeeeeeese
@@Xenronnify love that
@@Xenronnify we even got a translation XD
I love Raymond as a character. "Fighting Scorn AGAIN?! Protecting Wellspring AGAIN?!" XD
"Lay down arms, take nap. You're not needed." After my 30th Wellspring run that day his advice hits home.
Everyone loves Raymond
@@VallornDeathblade 30 Wellspring runs. Yeesh. May RNGesus bless you for your efforts.
"Look at that Wellspring is still standing. Anything to say?"
'Hmmmmmm Nah. Dead Hive, Dead Scorn, all the same'
@@bulletproofwhale5869 I just ended up doing Master Wellspring farming runs. Way better.
My theory is that Savathun did this with a whole bunch of families, and the chant was how she interfered with the Collapse. I think the Witness was going to destroy the Traveler during the Collapse and Savathun hid it somehow. Maybe with the power granted by tricking hundreds or even thousands of people into singing her song.
and that could be how the wittness was "sent back among the stars". no way it could have retreated since it has an army and the traveler fleed everytime
Ooh, they're the Hive lyrics to Savathun's song!?
Now that's a 5head play if I've ever seen one.
That might be the coolest theory yet. Even if it isn’t cannon that’s a really good idea.
@@Shadoefeenicks Another commenter here noticed that it could be matched up.
And Savathun has also proven to enjoy being among people under the traveler not for any strategic reason but just for the thrill of observing and engaging with them. So no, she does like to take chances here and there. The entire reason she has a Ghost is because she took a chance on the traveler
Unfortunately, that gamble didn’t quite pay off, thanks to us. Though Savathun isn’t dead yet.
@@garrettviewegh677 minor correction she is dead at current. Her ghost immaru is the one who’s still alive. But because of that she could be rezed
@@garrettviewegh677 yeah technically she is dead tho. Like. Without immaru she’s not comin back any time soon
@@garrettviewegh677 To be fair, we and our vanguard are complete idiots, so its largely our fault.
She also felt real sympathy for crow and wanted to feel proper emotion the more she was around us. People were happy, and she wanted to be happy as well.
The "song" singing part is probably what was key, a hive magic chant that might even had played into the deception of the Witness and the failure of the collapse
my bet is
she made this deal with many people around the world. having a bunch of people walking the world, and chanting this spell, had them "weave" the deception that saved the traveler
The Traveller was drawn to Earth by a song. In light of this Lore, de can make bets What happened.
Savathun brought the Traveller to Earth. Savathun indirectly created the guardians.
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 Wasn't the Traveler already here at that time?
@@majesticmajestic7058 No. The Traveller was on Mercury, then he moved to Mars, then it moved to Io. And from there it was interrupted and forced to out of the terraforming midway, and It went to Earth
It's worth noting that the syllables and comma within that chant match up with the pattern of Savathun's motif / song, which we've all heard about ad nauseam by this point. Myelin talked about where that whole song thing ended up going a little bit ago, but I don't think we're done discovering what she is capable of with that sort of thing. Not done by a long shot.
I was thinking this same thing. It does match the 'lil ditty' that we know. I'm super interested in seeing how these next seasons build up to our next big bad boss :)
It was the first thing I thought when I read it
That was the first thing I noticed when there was a song! Bring out the Pepe Silvia board for that song!
The fact that the song didnt come up at allllll during the witch queen storyline really shocked me! I thought for sure there’d have been some big reveal directly related to it
Everytime I try to sing it like savathuns song I accidently just turn it into Les Toreadors
Imagine being the modern day descendant of the Rigbys living in the last city. Do you know how important it is that the Vanguard reaches out to them? This could be such a cool way to show some more of the Last City, even if its just a cutscene.
I almost imagine it like a swat house raid, the Rigby absolutely confused as their house is being torn apart, and then Zavala walks in. "We need to have a word."
*BOOM BOOM BOOOM* FOTC OPEN UP!!
Aunor fucking nova bombs the entrance just to prove a point
That's fucked up
Sadly the Vanguard probably know nothing of this, and even if they did Savathun screwed with the archives as Osiris .
This Lore Tab is such a great riff on the folklore of the Southern US... for example the song "Crossroads" by the Delta Blues legend Robert Johnson (made more famous by Eric Clapton). It's a really fantastic fusion of existing folklore with Destiny lore... brilliant.
Right? The idea of people thinking Savathun is “the Devil” when they meet her is perfect, because of course they would. Nobody on earth during the Golden Age had any idea what a Hive was.
A lot of Destiny's strongest lore bits seem to alternate between cosmic forces of philosophical providence and cautionary tales of antebellum mythos, and I am in love with its constant contrast between the fantastic and the mundane.
@@joeyberg5765 well said!
I like to think that this really was just Savathun helping them out, just for the heck of it. There wasn't really any deal made, it was the equivalent of seeing a fly banging into a window and opening it to let it outside instead of killing it. To the family, this was an impossibly generous act that saved their lives, something that will surely carry a heavy debt that will one day have to be collected. To Savathun, this was the most insignificant action she could've taken in the scenario behind not doing anything.
I just want to point out: that song Rigby was told to sing could fit within Savathun's song... it even has a comma where there's a pause.
Looks like the repeated words line up with the repeated notes, so these are almost certainly the magic words to her viral chant
@@joelbarr1163 exactly. This would be the actual Savathuns song. All the others weve Heard are derivatives of its viral influence, Only having the motif, but this would be the pure and original Savathun song.
@@joelbarr1163 Oh dang you're right! I noticed that it was 4 beats and 4 beats, like other people did, but I didn't notice the repeated notes on the same words! I played it on my piano to make sure.
With how good Savathune is at 'predicting' things I think she may have foresaw a time where she would need someone inside the city. Maybe to help her accomplish things, or retrieve something. If that chant or the deal made could bind the bloodline to her then she may have found a way to retrieve her captured body for her hive ghost to rez her at a particular time. Possibly when the vanguard and the guardians are occupied with a new and more powerful enemy? This is all speculation but it would also fall well within her normal crazy abilities to prepare for darn near anything.
This was also my thought. I can see Immaru or some other agent of the Hive coming to the Rigby family and collecting this debt in the near-ish future. They'd need to give them the means to recover Savathun's corpse, or enact some distraction for the Vanguard / the Hidden so it can be recovered by other means. Given how the City's security has been easily penetrated in the past by various groups, this feels very possible.
She’s highly intelligent and can best those stronger than her given enough prep time. Savathun is like the Batman of Destiny.
@@elaron2537 Another thought is that with their family living near the traveler since before the golden age there is a high chance that one of them has been made a guardian, and if not.... possibly first hive ghost non-hive guardian via rising the first one to make the deal with one of the hive ghosts?
Rigby family clearly going to be the ones to recover Savathun's body for her ghost. It also could theoretically be one of the Guardians. We don't know our past, but it is possible that even as a Guardian her Hive magic will compel the Guardian to act on her behalf.
I always thought we will be the ones to decide that we need savathun ( probably to fight xivu ) and I dont see how a human family can infiltrate a hight security place ( where I suppose the vanguard keeps her body ) but your guardian theory is actually quite interesting
I can see this happening
D1 Vet: Guardian is known to be a Rigby which would explain our erratic behavior
D2 Vet: Guardian is known to have been infected by Savathuuns song which would explain our erratic behavior
New Light: Vanguard told us to find Savathuun's body, get tricked by one of Savathuun's tricks
What about Lavinia, the cryptarch in training, who met the 9 and got teleported on a floor in a cabin with Savathûn, she has the access to probably do it.
@Mr Pickles fair enough. But on the battle of the six fronts I'm pretty sure that some ghosts were cut off from their guardian and count revive them. And saint and another guardian had to clear a way for them. That's what I can recall. And If they dont need the body then why wouldnt immaru revive savathun rn ?
@@CC-2062 Methinks they need something of their guardian, not necessarily the body... maybe the conciousness has to be recoverable?
They were chanting the song and that was pulling the "star" closer to earth. I believe that the "star" was actually the traveler.
The darkness and the fleet came to destroy the traveler but the family essentially performed a ritual to pull it towards earth, hiding it as a result. Savathun was then able to lie to the witness about traveler's escape and darkness left only to be summoned again when traveler reawakened - destruction of Ghaul. Savathun couldn't perform the ritual because the witness would surely notice but a family of humans could. That family probably founded the last city - the last city is in debt to Savathun.
Savathun Went Down to the Last City, she was looking for some light to steal.
She was in a bind cuz she was way behind...etc.
Bad bad
Well would make sense based on the description that the Rigbys would be from Georgia.
Savathun does occasionally do things without strategy. Remember, she chose to listen to us and crow just having random conversations and laughing by a campfire because it made her feel warm. It's obvious there's some softness in her, something left of the krill she was. The traveler wouldn't have wanted to choose her or the hive if there wasn't anything inside of them it wanted
the accent they're speaking with, the food their ancestors ate is chitlins, meeting the devil at a crossroad, devil seeing shawn scrap for land that he can't call his-like a sharecropper-.....telling him to follow a star (like slaves used to for freedom). I think shawn rigby was a black man from Louisiana. the 'devil' may have sypothised from seeing how much shawn had to suffer. IDK
Agreed.
But then they wouldn’t call it the ‘Devil’. If it only had benefits, then surely a God or an Angel would be more appropiate?
@@harrymillar4193 who said 'ONLY benifits' ? the 'devil' told them wheich direction to walk.... thats it. and now they are indebted to the 'devil' (which is usually how making deals with the devil works)
Byf, One of the constellation Lore i believe from the point of view of the Traveller states: "You are drawn to a small Planet following a song. Was It your idea all along?"
Savathun's song matches the tempo and syllables of this one Sean Rigby was told. So It can be the true Savathun's song.
Conclusion: Savathun had the humans humm Savathun's song, which compelled the Traveller to decide to make its Last stand on Earth rather Than anywhere else. And its from here that she tricks the Witness into believing the Traveller is dead. The Rigby family were simply pawns, and the debt she has with them might have been getting the Traveller into position or she never needed them again. Maybe her plan Only would work if the words were spoken by a human, and Rigby would be a perfect fit, a desperate man Who would Accept to make a "deal with the devil" Ultimately I dont think the Rigbies Will have any impact in the Lore from now on, more so It fleshes out that Savathun did something to the humans that drew the Traveller closer
Then id go on a limb to say that indirectly Savathun is the reason guardians exist in the first place, since the Traveller then uplifted humanity as a weapon, creating the guardians.
In my opinion, the only human that had anything to do with hive debts, collections, and bargains (at least lore wise) from what I know is The Drifter. It'll be interesting to see where this Sean Rigbey stuff will go.
I remember when I first got the shell and was mind blown reading this. I don't think she knew exactly what would happen or if there would be a last city, but she knew the traveler would possibly protect humanity and it was her way of either keeping tabs on humanity to observe the traveler or have some kind of influence so that she could find a way to vicariously benefit from the traveler through humanity. One thing I'm sure of is that this interaction lead to her influence in the city such as the spread of her song among the children and people outside the tower, which there's no telling how long or how deep her influence ran before we became aware of it or throughout the Last City's history. She could have had some kind of influence on the Consensus this whole time. We definitely need more history and lore on humanity as well as the Last City as a whole in general.
If I’m understanding this correctly, this bargain was struck before the First Collapse, meaning before the guardians were created.
My theory is that the “debt” that the Hive was referring to May have been Osiris.
Osiris in his past life may have been a member of this “Rigby” family, and when he was resurrected as a guardian, she may have reclaimed her debt with the use of Osiris. She gets a key position in the Tower, and learns of the secrets of the Light.
Then again, just spitballing a theory.
Osiris Rigby has a nice ring to it.
Osiris is Egyptian though. Or at least seems to be from that general area. The Rigby family is possibly from Florida. But again minor speculation
@@dimitriwolf people can immigrate
@@thefatherinthecave943 People were flying out to Saturn and back for vacation during the golden age. I'm sure moving a few hundred miles on the same planet wouldn't be a problem.
@@tylerm6191998 But Rigby is not an Arab name.
Rigby could be a Guardian we already know and they have no memory of their meeting, or Rigby changed to something else over the years through marriage. Maybe Amanda Holiday? She's the only one I know to have a southern drawl.
Amanda’s mother’s maiden name? The one who had the original chaperone shotgun?
Hey Byf, here's a thought: What if the debt that the Rigbys owed was the Traveler itself? The campaign never really clearly explains how the Traveler is lured into the Throne World during the events of "The Ritual", so maybe the chant they made not only pulled the Traveler to the Last City but also primed it for manipulation later on?
On the Ritual Savathun was supposedly using the power hidden on the Tablets of Ruin to move worlds. Tho if she no longer could use the dark powers i dont understand how she did
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 unless the traveler went to her👀
Hum that "chant" to the notes of Savathun's Song. I'd say they've already paid their debt by spreading that far and wide
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 and she used hive magic to immobilize us during that first mission
@@awkwardllama0509 Could be a preset Booby trap.
There are people who lived through the collapse, but the only notable one we know of is deceased, The Speaker. In Constellations, he mentioned "Grainy Footage of Venus being terraformed". I feel that Savathûn wouldn't pick someone random, she would pick someone with a "Gift". Being able to receive "dreams" from the Traveler is certainly a gift. But the problem with our Speaker is that there is no mention of his family in any capacity, only his mentor. While there are other "Speakers" he is the only one that is known to have survived the Collapse. Though my idea may - or may not - be the closest thing to an answer to who "Sean Rigby", it still is a tangled mess of red string, about as much validity for it as saying "Xûr is Sjur Eido because their names are similar".
The Constellations lore book is written from the perspective of many different Speakers, the one talking about seeing Venus get terraformed being the first. The Speaker who appears in the games has some entries later in the book, where he mentions being "the child of two self-exiles," which probably means he's the son of two Earthborn Awoken.
"You sing, 'Al Eck Ruk Nam, Shu Nam Eck Ur,' until you call that star down to Earth." = 8 syllables...able to be sung to the 8 notes of Savathun's Song.
Sav's Song has been apart of Humanity since before the collapse, and apparently could even be a factor in what called the Traveler to Earth during the collapse.
The Traveller was called down to Earth by "a song". I think thats the reason
She probably met with many “potential survivors” and the chant is a means of transporting her body or unlocking a protocol in her ghost that will revive her.
I believe Bungie scrapped a lot of their old story and added this lore later. This name isn't in the old lore cause it's legit new add on. It's like the "darkness". They admitted that they didn't know what the "darkness" was in D1.
Not only that, but they seem to be going back with that old Forsaken (and seson of the drifter, with Lavinia's story and all) concept of Savvy being on Earth with humanity long before Oryx and his Hive entered the system.
@@victorabaderamos6019 Well that makes sense, because why the hell would Clovis Bray build a Vex gate when the only beings who encountered them were the Hive, Crota to be exact and that was old lore from Destiny 1. Most is the writing is done to be able to add missing parts later.
@@evilformerlys4704 If I remember correctly, the Vex were the first to openly engage Golden Age humanity, and Clovis bulit that gate to visit a Vex star system for his Exo project. Crota's Hive decided to show their faces only moments before the Collapse, Nokris and Xol appeared roughly at the same time, and Savathûn was already here long before any of them (and if we believe Truth to Power, she even served as inspiration for several trickster deities along human history)
Maybe the "sang" part is important? Like if it was sung in a particular way, it might sound like Savathun's Song. That may, then, be the first instance of Savathun's song being chanted on Earth.
The chant has two series of four single syllable "words". I bet it follows Savathun's Song's melody. Perhaps the goal was to infect the remnants of humanity with the viral chant?
A good starting point to find the Rigby’s, if they already exist outside of this one piece of lore, would be to look into anything pertaining to the early days of the last city. They would have been the first people there, so they likely had a hand in most of the early days when it was just a few tents.
Y'know, you'd think Savathun having played a part in the founding of The Last City would be like, this huge mind-blowing reveal, but by the time I got to that bit of lore, it was just like... "Yeah, no, that sounds about right."
That chant is is 8 syllables, same as the motif used for Savathun’s song, I wonder if they’re connected
@MyNameIsByf I think there is something of great significance here. Two things:
While Savathûn surveyed the people of Earth, she saw someone who has a very relatable background to her own. Rigby was in a rough position and she new that "family" meant a lot to Rigby. She gave him advice on how to survive and probably made him chant a protection spell of some kind. She did something that she couldn't do for herself, which was protect a family that was in danger.
This also means that she new exactly how the collapse was going to play out...
Or she saw someone in trouble, knew or betted that the traveller would go to earth so she go someone to introduce her song to the city.
I think she has done too many horrendous action to feel sympathy
@@papercamera2989 knowing Savathûn, it was probably both. She did help him... But also used him... She loved her family but was also willing to betray them. She is definitely an in betweener lol
"What could a random family in the tower offer the hive?"
Maybe drawing a single rune somewhere? Like one of those funny transposition runes savathun used to swap places with osiris when mara was about to stab her? Or literaly any other hive rune?
You need Darkness powers to use them. A hive lightbearer was bored and started drawing runes on the mud. Before they were powerful tithing runes but now they were powerless scribbles
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 Tithing runes aren't gonna do shit if you can't recieve the Tithe, the hive would need the now dead worm inside them to recieve the tithe.
Also source please?
@@thatguyonyoutube2063 I believe is the exotic ship from the season of the Risen.
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 I don't think you need a worm or a Darkness connection to use Hive magic. Eris uses magic and she's no longer paracausal. The Worm gods told the three sisters that they would teach them to call upon the Darkness with signs and rituals.
@@michaelhenry3234 Hive Magic not, bit Darkness powers I think you need. In the lure Savathun looked at the glaive Blade and mused: "Theres memory on this weapon. Perhaps the-thing-I-was could recover It, but the-thing-I-am-now cannot. I must outsource my memory recovery, i Must use someone Who Can keep light and dark in their breast"
What if Osiris' pre risen name is Sean Rigby? If "the Devil" was in fact Savathun, then her coming back to reclaim the "skin" or identity of Sean Rigby to inact her super elaborate plan would've been the ultimate "deal with the devil" move on his part.
Man...this reminds me of those old folk tales of blues artists selling their souls to the devil at a crossroads! What a read ! :D
His name was Robert Johnson.
One question I have that remains unanswered (as far as I know) is this: Where did Savathun stash Osiris when she took his form?
As best I can tell, right at the end of the Season of the Lost she swapped places with wherever Osiris was so that Mara Sov couldn't kill her. Additionally, we get that cutscene of Savathun talking to the Traveler as she dies before she is resurrected by Imaru, which had to have happened right after Season of the Lost and before the start of Witch Queen. To me, it looks like she's just on a cliff just outside of the Last City, with a great view of the Traveler in that cutscene. Just outside the city....just like a certain Rigby family?? Maybe the "debt" has already collected by having the Rigby family stash Osiris while she took his form right under our noses, a family that is loyal to her but we assume would be on our side.
Maybe???? Or am I just crazy?
That’s very thin
Just because the Rigby family lived close to the city on a cliff and Savathun was close to the city on a cliff once doesn’t mean anything.
Also savathun could have put Osiris in her throne world or literally anywhere better. There is no advantage putting him with the Rigby family over somewhere where we literally couldn’t reach and was her most protected stronghold
I immediately thought of Savathûn's Song when I read that chant. It has the same amount of syllables and things, and it wouldn't surprise me if that song was part of a plan to lure the Traveler towards humanity in some way.
I'd read this lore already and immediately thought this was Savathun. I would be very surprised if it didn't turn out there were more families approached by her during the collapse. All from different directions, all pointed towards the traveller, all told the same or a similar chant. All marching toward the soon-to-be last city creating a planetwide geomantic spell across the planet all culminating in the moment they reach the last city and suddenly to the witness the traveller seems to have disappeared... Would fit the words of the worm quite nicely.
Wait.... Yea you hit the spot!!
Itd be weird if she reached Only to a single family... But Savathuns song drew the Traveller to Earth. And Savathuns song has a strong memetic effect, between which includes massive levels of stealth. That you can look at someone and as soon as you turn around you forget they were there at all (What happened with Shaxx and the Ahamkara skull). Savathun on her own could not fathom to cloak the Traveller. But an entire city (or Many people) , all of them singing the same cloaking spell? The combined potency of the spell would have enough to trick the Witness once. Shrouding the Traveller
12:51 I felt that reload
8/10 of lore, interesting revelation but needs more fiddles made of gold
If I had to make a guess, I'd say the Rigby family held some sort of role in the formation of the Last City, which the Traveler resides above after the collapse. Savathûn clearly had an interest in the Traveler back during the Collapse, so by letting the Rigby family know where the Traveler would descend down to Earth so they can make the Last City underneath it, it could be seen as a sort of marker for future reference of the Traveler's location. As for the chant, it could be something that lets Savathûn know that the deal has been upheld and that the City still stands, and therefore the Traveler is still there, so that she could enact her plan to receive the Light centuries later. Obviously there are holes in this idea, but it seems like the most sensible hypothesis for why Savathûn would make such a random deal
Glad I was right that about this one! Love how we have "lyrics" for savathuns song too
Don't know if anyone else has mentioned it but the chant is almost definitely Savathun's song. The notes to Savathun's song are C# E F# D# / B D# E A#. The repeated words in the chant are in the exact same position as the repeated notes in the song. My guess is this was the first time she infected humanity with her song. To what I end? We do not know.
Also, I'm super excited to hear TSLAYP is returning! I've loved all the Witch Queen content so far and can't wait to see what shenanigans you guys have been up to!
Imagine if Shawn Rigby is the Father of the guardian. As far as we know, each ghost is destined to a specific person (from of that lore of Rhulk trying to bind a Ghost). Sooooo, if Savathûn knew Shawn's son/daughter would become a guardian or somehow connected to the Traveler ... I may be wrong, 'cause before the colapse, there were no guardians.
"Al Eck Ruk Nam, Shu Nam Eck Ur". It's nice to see Savathuns Song finally written down.
savathun I've come to bargain
Thank you for the meme template my man.
Nobody:
Savathun: "hey look everyone, it's RIGBABY"
So this is what Rigby gets up to when Mordecai isn’t there
I wonder what muscle man is up to
Traveler is Benson's ancestor, filled with ancient vanilla rather than modern gumballs
Savathun went down to Georgia looking for some light to steal. She was in a bind, the witness on her mind, she was looking to make a deal. She walked her tall three eyed body up to a man working in the hot and whispered in his ear, sir let me tell you what. I bet you didn’t know it but I’m from a struggling family too, and if you care to take a dare I’ll save you, your family, and the traveler too.🎻
I'd wager that whatever that chant was is what was needed.
Savathûn is... was always several steps ahead.
Until she comes to collect, that family is singing to the traveller. Back right before the collapse, desperate humans walked towards it, singing a hive song.
Savathûn wove a spell around the Traveller to steal it, and her magic is often filled with deception.
Savathûn deceived the Witness during the collapse, too.
It is entirely possible that, given how paracausal forces embody intent and follow will, she needed or benefitted from people doing things knowingly, willingly, but not understanding them. Or thinking they were doing something for one reason, when it was for another. Maybe the deception of someone into being part of the spell is a necessary part of the spell.
I'd wager that the debt was being paid, one quiet, fearful song at a time, every sunset, or that the debt was paid sooner than that man knew when Savathûn engineered the Witness's failure.
I strongly believe that Savathun was Nezarec, interpreted by humans as a God/Goddess of Death. (assuming my timeline of Nezarec is correct, and it's not pre-golden age, unless Savathun was also on Earth pre-golden age, then I stand by it)
She isn't Nezarec. He's something far more vile , far more great. He's the god of pain . Repent guardian o mine .
@@devilghostface8798 he's a rando void exotic, dude's just D2's version of Lysander
so, this is the *UPENDED* version of the text about Nezarec,... i wasted 1 hour of my life...
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@@devilghostface8798 O guardian mine*
It would make sense except it doesn’t. It is pre golden age. The splash text says “- passage from the hated nezerac, a pre golden age text.”
Rigby Family gonna recover her corpse and give it to the lucent hive? Feel like that’s too major of a story beat to have characters mentioned in the lore of a ghost perpetrate.
Imma go out on the longest limb here and say that Sean Rigby is the guardian. It makes sense to me that the man who called down the traveller is the most powerful guardian and has communed with it on occasions. Also the guardian is the catalyst for everything surrounding the hive and the witch queen.
Love the Fundament Ghost Shell in the thumbnail. Grinded like crazy for that thing
The song Byf, the payment is the song. Remember that most hive spells/rituals are done by reciting words, and since it is Savathun... the song may be the clue.
The spell to trick the Witness? Savathun's song spreading across humanity? We just need to wait for Bungie to continue with the lore.
Welp, that's canon now. The worm's name is Raymond.
Side Story adventures of Randal and Raymond when?
1:01 looking forward to this being in a byf out of context video in the future
The Vanguard has Savathun’s body right? My theory is the Lucent Brood will use the Rigby’s to get Immaru close enough to revive her.
A hive god being rezzed in the middle of the city would be insane
@@awkwardllama0509 It would be interesting to see how the city people would react. In the warlord days, she would be seen as just another warlord, but not, since those days are long gone and the guardians that the people know now are nurturing, things might have a very interesting turnout.
There's no way random civilians are getting close to a hive gods body
@@TasmanianGodGeo there was one city researcher who broke into a heavily monitored data center who, when found, was saved from the city's wrath by savathun, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility for savathun to have pulled the right strings somewhere in the city.
@@gackolpz What is this from?
Something i find interesting is that there are exactly enough syllables in the song savathun gave them for each syllable to correspond to a note in savathuns song.
Food for thought.
When I saw the title, I had the song The Man Who Sold The World playing in my head lol.
Given Savathun's pension for planning, cunning, and trickery, I wouldn't be surprised to find out one day that our Gaurdian's real name used be, Rigby.
Nah; to be honest, I like the idea that our Guardian’s past is our past - they were made a blank slate so we can immerse ourselves in the story.
Also, Savathûn couldn’t have known that the Traveller would release Ghosts that would give people to power to resurrect
My theory is that she saved the family because they're outsiders: they mention how they squat outside the walls. They're nobodies. But nobodies who are desperate and loyal enough to keep the bargain. They were also probably the closest suitable candidate to the traveler at the time, given how they had to walk.
But what is the bargain
"Al Eck Ruk Nam, Shu Nam Eck Ur" Fits unsettlingly well to the tune of Savathun's song, I wonder if that was the tune they sang?
If memory serves, in seasion of the drifted a the women trying to find the nine was blessed and saved by savathune
She was essentially taken. But tbh I dont know What happened to Lavinia
Byf, the song she told him to sing. It fits the Savathûn‘s song syntax; even down to the comma. Say the words in the refrain of it and it fits perfectly. We learned the lyrics to Savathûn’s song. Crazy.
Something that's been bothering me about the premise of viewing memories. If Savathun was able to create the Altars of Reflection for the purpose of viewing memories linked to artifacts, how do we know she hadn't seen the memory of the familiar and their original destiny to be blessed by the traveler? What if her longest con was to position the 3 hive gods to be resurrected by the traveler and to destroy the witness as vengeance for locking them into the blood tithe?
Maybe as the story progresses we will see the hive gods shed their worms and become allies against the darkness?
I'm spitballing here but maybe some of the one off, against the norm actions of Savathun is linked to her long game against the witness?
Not likely. Savathun built the "machine" the altar of reflection to reproduce the memories like a CD player directly into her mind. She could sense if something held a memory, but she could not activate the memories on her own.
All the memories we have shown her are the ones she remembers, but the worm familiar was "encrypted". Something, wether It was being so old the memory was literally irrecoverable or something else, prevented us from showing It to her the first time.
Only after Ikora reverts its time with the Enclave do we reproduce the memory. Savathun had no idea she had been tricked. And id wager she didnt know she had been tricked when she was Alive either.... That was NOT a memory of Savathun. That was a memory from the Witness itself (the narrator speaking is the Witness while in all the other ones its Savathun narrating them)
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 dang, good point.
That would've been a cool story twist though.
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 the worm couldn't be plugged into the alter of reflection because the worm didn't have a memory that Savathun could recall. All the other objects held the residue of her previous life which could be reconstructed but since the worm is a foreign entity, the alter rejected it. After all, how can you remember something you never had a memory of?
You know who immediately came to mind as My Name is Byf started reading the Lore in a southern accent, Amanda Holliday... A character who is shown to, despite not being a Guardian, have a fixation on making herself a fixture in the Tower, and among those at the Tower in positions of importance. She was shown to be present at the completion of the Tower being built, or a portion of the wall being built as a child. Which implies she likely has family within the Last City.
Can't remember if it's the Chaperone quest line or the chaperone lore card, but it mentions that Chaperone is a replica of the weapon Amanda's mom carried around to protect refuges on the way to the last city. (Hence the name)
Is this saying the Traveler is the "star that fell"? If not, I wonder what exactly fell when they were directly under the traveler. Maybe something for her to eventually steal it?
Interestingly, the Bible mentions Demons as Angels that diobeyed and describes them as stars that fell from the sky. Of course the devil being the most important of those.
So much to unpack here, I just want to vent about it and see what people think. Starting from the basics, meeting the "Devil" at a crossroads is present in folklore since the ancient greeks, having to do with deals with the devil, and other supernatural activities. The crossroads here is not some coincidence, making me believe even more this could be Savathun or some kind of shade or visage of savathun. The sweet voice and talk about foresight is just the frosting on top. Then there's the chant. This might be a long shot, but I think it's hinting towards Savathun's Song itself. We can't possibly know what the words mean themselves, but if you sing the words to the tune of the song, it fits like a glove. It's also not just a chant, as the hive visage in question says to SING it to the star. Wild lore tab, great video as always byf, keep it up man I love the knowledge bombs you drop
You’re killing it lately!
Absolutely!
In the story the narrator talked about how the Devil roamed and granted wishes and that he knew that was true because Sean was one of those people. My guess is that the Rigby family is just one of many humans that struck a bargain with Savathûn and were then saved by being under the Traveller singing her song. In that case the debt wouldn't be with just one human family, but every single descendant that only exists because she "saved" their families in the Collapse, maybe the whole human race could be indebted to Savathûn
I think Sean Rigby's family will be the connection to Savathun that allows her to return in a new form. Wouldn't it be interesting if we killed her Hive form, but she split a part of herself into one of the Rigbys and returns as a human? Just a thought.
Thats tripy as fuck
Ok, i have a message for Shrike:
1) Your supposed to use the Parasite weapon at the end of the parasite mission, they set it up for you to have fun trying it out.
2) Get the goddamned Gjallrhorn catalyst dude! its been Months since the thing dropped!!
Imagine the panic that’ll spread through the community when suddenly a character with the last name “Rigby” suddenly gets introduced super casually.
Holy shit, this is the coolest lore entry just tucked right in there. Well done, Bungie!
"The Devil is a lady". We know this devil to be hive, tall, and a lady. Savathun obviously. Anyways, the Rigby family were likely some of the first to create the Last City. And of course the heirs are likely important as Savathun wouldn't make such a deal with some no names. What if, and this is just some serious speculation... But what if we heard the stories of the Rigby family, and we know of a Rigby right now but we don't know her name or at least what her name once was? What if Lakshmi-2 was once a Rigby? The lore says the debt has yet to be collected on, but we don't really know when that lore was written so maybe Savathun came to collect that debt during Season of the Splicer.
Lakshmi was more than likely Maya sundaresh, a golden age scientist who founded future war cult then was turned into an exo.
I took this as another reference to the Beatles - references which have happened quite inconsistently in Destiny 2. Rigby - Eleanor Rigby. I never thought it was lore related to this extend merely another fun Beatles reference.
Is it possible that the “song” is somehow an encantation that trapped the traveler on earth? Aka Savathûn acting through others?
Only read the lore tab, haven’t watched the video yet, we’ll see what Byf says. That was just my initial thought
I don't th8nk so because during the collapse the Traveler was gonna dip out until Rasputin shot it and damaged it and the Traveler hasn't be active until recently
@@wolfmcsnipes4192 Rasputin didn't shoot the Traveler.
@@wolfmcsnipes4192 there was only plans no evidence
@@wolfmcsnipes4192 why do people still say this??? Rasputin didn't shoot the traveller. There was a failsafe to shoot the traveller *if* it ran away, but that plan was never enacted because the traveller never ran. Rasputin didn't shoot the traveller.
That’s… an interesting theory. Makes one wonder.
Maybe the Rigbys are connected to the cult who made all the counterfeit Thorns. That chant and a hive connection could have led to their ability to creat weapons of sorrow. A family with a direct connection to Ur could explain why a cult could make these weapons while some skilled researchers struggled through the process.
My Thorn Lore is a bit rusty, but the Striga video I watched the other day left some questions this may answer.
wait did Savathun have a golden fiddle? I think I've heard this story before...
Let's not forget that Lakshmi transmission on season of the splicer where she tells about the song that everyone in the city is singing, which was Savathun's song. That can't be left unused
YEEHAW SECOND
Here's something interesting. The devil meeting people at a crossroads is a old American fable. Used in many tales. Beautifully crafted lore from the Golden age. Love destiny
Savathûn: you remind me of my children. I keep u
Rigby: yep I met the devil
Amanda in lightfall is just like: hey guardian I found an old photo of my Great great granddad. Jedidiah Rigby, pretty nice righ-…why’re you looking at me like that?
I can think of a tune that fits that chant quite nicely... It can never be unheard.
The chant fits perfectly into Savathun's song
Just gotta say something I noticed: that "chant" fits perfectly to the tune of savathun's song.
Wouldn't surprise me if a Sean Rigby descendant somehow has access to Savathun's remains and would be compelled by Hive magic to allow Immaru in.
Given they would have been some of the first to settle under the Traveler, they might now know secret ways in and out of the Last City. Ways that could be used in retrieving Savathun's body. Or, they weren't the only family given this deal. She made this deal with several families, sending them all to be the first settlers beneath the Traveler in hopes one or more become prominent or powerful members of the Last City.
Every time Byf says his tag line, I think he's casting a spell on me. And it sends chills at the back of my neck
Dont worry, he says it incorrectly.
"My name has been / My Name is Byf". Fits the tune of Savathun's Song.
The song the Rigbys sing/whistle is most likely that wonderful song we know little about...Savathun's Song. Whoever this Devil is, she says she'll "Whistle up a way to protect 1 thing" for Sean. Don't know of many Hive that sing songs of influence other than Giant ass Moth Lady... Plus if it was the deathsong there'd be some death involved, so there's that lol
The chant is 2 lines of 4 “words”. Could be chanted to the tune of savathun’s song. Maybe the first time that song was sung on earth, and is still reverberating to this day
the worm is so cute. Anyway maybe saving rigby was one of her plans to receive the light
Kneejerk headcannon:
That guy's descendants are going to play some part in Savathun's Jailbreak from wherever the vanguard are keeping her corpse.
If the Devil was in fact Savathûn, I suspect two things were in play:
1. This was a deception enacted to feed her worm, among other possible aims.
2. The song given to Rigby has the right amount of syllables to fit THE song. It could have been a subtle virus in the City centuries earlier than Lord Shaxx singing about moon cheese.
All of a sudden that line in Truth to Power, where she referred to herself in the names of old trickster gods...it makes you wonder since when was Savvy walking our Earth.