The idea of nothing is lost, but returned is actually quite good. We were all born in this world without anything so you really can't lose anything. And when you die, you are returned also, since you haven't always been alive. Everything just returns to its previous state of not being what it currently is.
@@sofitocyn100 Let me blow your mind as I have been blown years ago by Dr. Wayne W. Dyer R.I.P : You came from NO - WHERE and you are NOW - HERE and you will return to NO - WHERE see, it's the same letters/ a cycle if you wish
You shouldn’t be following or listening to stoic philosophy. I don’t know if those are stoic words. Maybe this is exactly where he should be, if he acts like that. Either way you shouldnt let him take your peace of mind. Plus, if I’ve been listening to this correctly. Pride seems to be frowned upon in favor of humility. So, a potential holier then though attitude probably isn’t stoic. Who knows. Though I find stoicism full of good ideas. Idk if I agree with every thing though. Indeed humility is an admirable trait. Too much humility can lead to self deprecating, or miss opportunities. Having a little pride or a positive sense of self worth isn’t a bad thing. But, I tend to understand and agree why some philosophies tend to speak against pride as if you give into it too much it clouds ones vision , and mind. Leading to a sense of arrogance or jadedness. I tend to kind of agree with the statement. I don’t think it’s stoicism but, I like it. “There is nothing noble in being better than your fellow man. True nobility is being superior to your former self. “ I believe Ernest Hemming way said that. Then again it makes sense. After all you are your worst enemy. So, striving to be a better , or stronger person than who you were yesterday, seems like a very virtuous goal. And maybe lays the ground work for building character. Then again part of stoicism is listening more to oneself and less to the criticisms of others. But, not do you can look upon them from a higher place but because they don’t deserve to have you peace of mind when they want.
it gives ideas. it doesn't help in applying them practically. you can know the best recipe and be incapable of executing it. tell person with trauma to just be virtuos ROTFL
Indeed, but make sure that it is profitable or that it is a hobby. Most people don't care and just want to do their thing so never cast your pearls before swine. Rather, lead by example but be indifferent about people following you or not.
if you serve others you serve idea not self. So it's not higher less it's being less self. Lust is serving animal part of self, it's there for a reason just circumstances changed so it activates in wrong contexts and we didn't make a new manual to using it.
Romantic love is waaaaay overrated ... if you guys only knew how much time I've wasted on dating sites, events, etc. When I could have been doing something much more productive with my existence.
And the irony of that is, when you focus off of other people and trying to find someone, and begin to focus on, and improve yourself for the sake of yourself, often a great and worthy person will appear. The energy you give off when you are calm and self-focused is not desperate or anxious, but calm and and happy, and the kinds of people you'd want a good relationship with (a partner who is calm and focused and happy), will see that in you and pick up on it. This is just something I've seen happen to people I know personally, time and time and time again.
wife left me last week after 27 years of marriage ... its tough. i devoted my life to her and the kids .... there must be something good on the way. oh, i have MS pretty bad and i am in a wheelchair. i am now fully in on a path to improve myself. i have been investing in stoicism for about 7 month...life saving/changing. i am grateful because this would have killed me a year ago.
@B Hal ...true they didn't...but they could have had orgies without ends...mostly the same kind of root. They didn't indulge, I guess this is the trick. I don't have to binge drinking, but drink a cup of wine now and then, I can see my friends, but don't always share their lust for the Circus (today Video games)... and so on.
I’m 5 years deep in a very painful divorce. I hurt very badly as I continued to cling on to jealousy and lust. Finally I gave up on that and moved on. I still love her, but now it’s unconditional love (because she broke all my conditions). Breakups are all about ego. As soon as you give up on carrying your bitterness and pain, it’s a huge weight lifted off.
@@szymonbaranowski8184I've abolished conditions and seen through every perspective. 2 years after making this comment, I will say as an update: the only thing that has helped in the slightest has been a hard drug habit that I recently picked up. It's really hard to be depressed when you're artificially loading up on dopamine.
nice video, a day aga i got rejected by a girl that ive liked much, but after this rejection, i dont feel nothing, I respect her decision and I cant control her decisions thx stoicism!
I forget the quote by Marcus Aurelius but it said something like doing something unvirtuous out of anger is better than doing something unvirtuous out of desire or lust. Becausee desire is unmanly and you should control it. anyway this is an on point video topic, great work
Thanks, Between The Lines! "The angry man seems to turn his back on reason out of a kind of pain and inner convulsion. But the man motivated by desire, who is mastered by pleasure, seems somehow more self- indulgent, less manly in his sins."
I think desire is actually a pretty manly personal trait. As long as you when to act on it and when not and how to channel it into different pursuits. Also think how many great men initially were motivated by their lust to start their journey.
Very well explained. This generation is all about heating the sheets and forgetting the face. I can't deny my desire to be with not just one but many women as possible. But my morals and my virtues does not allow me to do such as it is just an impulse of the moment; which when carefully waited and thought, results into something I would not like later on. Only the contemplation about such action makes me resentful. Hence to conclude that same carnal desire for more than one woman does not lead to happiness but to desolation and emptiness. We are emotional beings hence we must strive for emotional connection with another human being so that with good friendship and hence with further intimacy we can give birth to love. Love is the ultimate joy but lust is ephemeral. Love is eternal but lust is transient. And regarding the other pursuits of life, I say there are so much more before we think of dating and finding partner for ourselves. Maybe we are yet to grow up before we can understand another human being. Love your videos buddy. Keep us posted.😊🙂
A practical way to look at lust would be to regard it as the "carrot" that motivates us to better our lives. Take the example of approaching a person you found attractive. No social media, no tinder, no social circles. Just face to face. Imagine the skills needed to help ensure a successful venture. Skills ranging from social and emotional intelligence to logistical planning. Even an understanding of stoic philosophy could be required to help one through the rigors of constant failure and rejection. All of those skills are easily applicable to other areas of one's life whether it's the professional world, improving physical health, or gaining a sense of self-sufficiency. IMO, by giving lust a PURPOSE, it gives us humans a way to reconcile our inherent animalistic desires with our modern attitudes...all the while getting closer to being in touch with what we each want out of life. And I don't think that aiming for "a bit fun beneath the sheets" denigrates us as people, if anything it lifts us up and gives us an opportunity to find strength from being willingly vulnerable with another human. To summarize my point in a phrase one could say to themselves after their first successful sexual conquest: "If I could convince someone to get into bed with me, who knows *what else* is possible for me"
That’s a good subjective validation of lust; if you can reconcile to that and it propels you in other areas of your life; who’s to say it’s wrong. The only issue is the low standard that you set yourself in your summary, is actually paradoxical. These days it’s more difficult to find a girl that won’t get into bed with a guy. And if she’s a woman with standards, it’s because she likes you and sees potential in you, she will make you wait, at least beyond the first date.
@@lightdweller1 "The only issue is the low standard that you set yourself in your summary, is actually paradoxical. These days it's more difficult to find a girl that won't get into bed with a guy" You're not wrong. And anectdotally, with the females I approach it appears that trend seems to be heading that way. Internally, I rejoice when I run into a 'woman with standards' for it forces me to 'raise my game' so to speak. However, as time passed...i'm finding that the difficulty of the girl doesn't really matter. Sure, the girl may be generally easier to sleep with, but I the male am the one who must get out of the house, assess/create the circumstances needed to successfully initiate first contact with the female, and then take the initiative of finding out if that's true. A degree of motivating myself is required for any of these actions to take place at all. In essence I found I was not really seducing the girl, I was seducing myself......into being the best version of me. I simply cannot be anything but that when presenting myself to a girl I want. Other observations: The vast majority of females I meet appear to guard their honest feelings. Essentially maintaining a 'mask' of what they think other people expect them to behave...especially when dealing with a male pursuing them. Up until the point I take them to bed for the first time, that is. After that, it was like she could relax for once and share her unfiltered view on anything we talked about. As long as I maintained my own integrity and honesty in the situation, she respected me as a man...even as we eventually broke things off because of conflicting logistical problems, life getting in the way, etc. Perhaps there is a virtuous way to approach lust after all? P.S Thank you for this reply. Admittedly, I was at first offended by it. But i'm glad I instead took the time to properly internalize those words to the point where it has raised my level of thinking. Wherever you are, I hope you're well.
Antichrys Thank you for sharing your experience. It’s interesting to read it from a man’s perspective; I hadn’t considered before the contradictory forces that a man has to negotiate. I agree; openness, honesty and being fully oneself is the best approach for any meaningful connection, else no one is actually present in the experience. I really appreciated your considered response and powers of reflection, very refreshing... and apologies if my initial reply seemed in any way offensive, it was actually a little tongue in cheek.
Love comes in so many shades and colours that sometimes it gets really confusing. What initially may seem like an unconditional pure love might turn very ugly later, and the vice versa, there are relationships which were rocky initially but have stabilised over time. Love should be like a flow of water - there are places it will flow calmly - laminar flow - and there are places where it will be turbulent.
@@muhammadarsalanhussain3924 I meant that only. It leverages your lust, because of that you objectify, become restless, and lose your clarity etc. So its the best way to bring misery in life. :)
My ex was extremely romantic, full of love and passion, and an art lover (ESFP personality) but we could never translate our love into our sex life. It just never worked out for some reason. He left me once he realised that I didn't align with his values and passions anymore. My current bf is the opposite. Unexpressive, very independent, cold blooded, naturally stoic (in his mindset and lifestyle), hardworking (ISTJ personality) but sex is fire and I know he would never leave me because he is incredibly loyal to his commitments. Sometimes I miss the serenades my ex used to sing to me every minute, but I appreciate the stoic life lessons I get just from living with my current bf. He is very wise, but accidentally.
Unconditional love, I believe, only exists between a mother & child. There r too many other variables that can de-rail a relationship, but a mother will love her kid No Matter What!
IMO love of either parent for a child is not a selfless act. That child is the bearer of your genetic basis into the future. Your immortality in a sense. Loving and caring for a child not closely related to you is more virtuous. IMO of course.
The mother/child relationship can be a trauma bond in some cases which influences the child’s attachment choices forever. I think this is what’s wrong with me & my relationship choices. I want to change this so I’m studying Stoicism.
It is shocking, but logical and realistic this philosophy. We are actually alone in this world and we have to grow as people on our own, setting aside feelings for people who will not be with us always, because if we don't, we get frustrated, we go into depression, we need drugs and psychologists to try to cope with life's pains.
@@esyphillis101 Not CBT per se, but ACT. I'm not willing to explain ACT in a yt comment: definitely worth looking up (Russ Harris, Steven Hayes, DJ Moran and others).
I was thinking about this yesterday. I asked myself: Who in my life loves me unconditionally and completely, with absolutely zero judgement towards me, who holds no secrets, who would never question me? Who in my life would go with me anywhere, at any time, and untiringly stay by my side forever, until I or they die? Who in my life would ferociously protect me with their life, no matter what danger presents itself, or die selflessly for me without a second thought? No one, except for my dog.
There is no such thing as unconditional love. Dogs only love because they're genetically programmed over 100s of years to cling to humans as they often provide protection and food.
Say these affirmations at any given time. Very gently yet Loud enough so that your ears can hear u.. Believe. SAY I am Strong, Healed, whole, loving, happy, healthy, harmonious say it even when u are turning in your sleep it will come around.
Your last line touched me...I who have been living alone for years could never understand why people value having a lover so much. It's not that I've never felt loneliness but after years of self-assessment I've come to realise that that's not all that there is to life...love shouldn't be the one & only pursuit of life or a reason for you to become better. Great video ❤
Lust is not love. Love is love and lust is lust. Sexual expressioncan be arrived at in either state of being. Thw two are often confused from lack of experience. But once experienced, it can never be forgotten nor confused again. There is a clear distinction, rare as it may be.
Yes. But remembering the stoic ideal of moderation.... few would be truly happy without a moderate amount of erotic love. Some would, maybe, everyone is different.... but those who would be unhappy without occasional “fun between the sheets” are not lacking in virtue or falling short on stoic ideals.
I'm love with a married woman... I tried to resist so much, but at some point I gave up. I don't think I can have a long term relationship with her... But she is amazing, I really like her, someone how can teach me things about love and life. She is 8 years older than me, I'm 22, but it's like we are a 17 couple... Everything is so amazing. I already assumed that I'm doing something wrong, but I'm really to assume all the consequences.
"...but im really to assume the consequences..." If you meant to say 'Ready', then that's all that really matters. Enjoy this situation for all it has to offer and take it as a life lesson to apply to other girls down the line if it doesn't work out.
Emotional support and affection are deep set human needs. Our culture has a history of pretending that men should have no such needs. Since most philosophers have been men, there is a void of philosophic discourse on these. The true romantic love is an agreement to give these to each other and no one else because giving these to someone else would neglect the partners emotional need to feel special in your eyes. These are not logical. These are human.
I think Love is the most important thing that humans can share and Lust an experience you wanna make. It is as with everything though, once you try to own it, you basically make a dept that you sooner or later will have to repay with pain (loss).
I am 23 years old and have been single my whole life. I guess part of the reason why is because I was afraid to start a relationship with someone because I know the odds of it outlasting time is extremely low especially for relationships at my age. And I suppose I am just not ready to face the emotional baggage of a breakup; knowing myself, I am a pretty sentimental person and a break up would destroy me. But now I am starting to think that maybe I've waited too long and having at least one relationship earlier in my life would have been good for me cuz I would have gained at least some kind of experience. But now that's it's 2020 and the entire world is under quarantine, even the option of getting into a relationship isn't even practical or possible at the moment (at least not where I live) and I probably won't have a romantic relationship until this covid shit is over, so I am pretty much screwed for god knows how long. I don't even have the opportunity to give romance a shot anymore. Anyone else in the same boat?
23 years and you act as if you're 60 years. I'm in my mid 30s. The very first relationship I had was my marriage itself in my 30s. That too didn't last more than a few months. I'm from a country where relationships are hard to come by even during the 20s. I'm doomed to die alone.
Sex is something incredible sacred, people always diminish sex giving it less important of what it really has. The union of 2 bodys is something very powerful. All things aren't really bad, what we things as bad is went something get out of balance. Jealousy for example is not wrong unless it's out of balance, when it's balance it's known as admiration. Pride when it's balance is known as self admiration, greed when it's balance is your desire for betterment. Love, lust an pleasure is the same, if you tagged them as bad, it means that you are not seeing the entire picture.
I am pursuing knowledge for knowledge's sake. As far as love and lust is concerned, well, let me just say the window of opportunity is rapidly closing on those ideas.
How funny. Some time ago I stumbled upon an article which stated that stoicism was actually closer to edonism when it comes to love and lust. I guess you can use stoicism to put marriage and traditional values forward, but it's a shame you're not talking about the other side of the medal. Stoicism is about being truthful towards your feelings and rationalizing your place on the earth. In my opinion stoicism puts honest relations forward but that doesn't mean marriage is the way to go. It's about how honest you are with the other person and with yourself. Marriage can be a way, but it doesn't have to.
Really cool perspective. We grow learning that if we buy a candy with a coin then it belongs to us, which is true. But then we get people into our lives and don´t realize that we are not buying but renting their time and companionship. And that rent will expire sooner or later.
Lust is a bad thing, Emanuel Swedenborg made a good point in Love in Marriage, that true married love is spiritual and therefore bodily and not bodily and therefore spiritual. True love is sacrificing your self interest for others and loving the goodness in others that God placed in them that truly define who they are. But lust is wrapped in the word love so much that this concept has become confused.
goldenhotdogs I see your point, it's very reasonable, but there is an aspect of it that I believe you don't understand, and that is that we are more happy when we help others, we are closer to God when we better love his children, and when we are closer to God we are happier because we are more complete and better understand who we truly are as children of God. When I mentioned true love, I didn't mean that you should tirelessly sacrifice your interests for someone who doesn't care about you at all, you can't be married to someone who doesn't love you, becaue marriage isn't a government, social, or religious contract, it's a union of a man and a woman in a deep way. They become one flesh, they become bonded with one another out of a true love, they mutually love one another and are willing to sacrifice their own selfish interests for the other because they both love each other. The husband's interest becomes the wife's interest and vice versa because they are together. A marriage is not a marriage unless it is based in equlity, a marriage cannot be slavery because it would not be a marriage. Though people are deceived as to what marriage is and may falsely call it marriage.
Thank you do much for all of your videos! You really do help me understand life, emotions, religion, & stoicism much better than before I started watching your videos. Thank you again.
Man. Now that I think about it, I think I might have discovered the work of Marcus Aurelius through your channel 1-2 years ago. I cannot thank you enough, it has literally changed my life.
The chapter on 'The Choice of Hercules' in the book 'How to Think like a Roman Emperor' had a great line that talked about Hercules. It said "His life had something far more satisfying than pleasure. It had purpose." This ties closely with what you send at the end of the video (aren't there higher things to pursue than some fun between the sheets).
"Is a man who is whole in need of a physician?" Jesus "I love psych/ philosophy, they bring understanding of life, but what can be "higher" then one who understands the life he creates. Is not God higher then all?" Me just now. I am facetious, nice to meet you.
I am not insulted by your opinion, and I assure you we both belong here. My children are the most important thing to me at this time in my life. I am curious what great secrets you have uncovered in you're vast understanding. I did come here in hopes of knowledge.
I disagree with the stoics here. Lust is not as harmful to others as greed and violence. So called 'manly' sins are worse because they damage others and our society as a whole.
It damage the humanity as well, how people influence other people's mind due to lust and think it's a cool way to do it. Like how kids do things today like sex is a normal thing buy aint valuable thing sometimes it make someone be a rapist due to lust influence from people, that created a society full of simps and unmanful way of life.
I am in the fevor of lust but its a hell. If u dont get the woman u want u feel depressed. If u have a woman ur lokking for the next one. Even if u find a 10 there will be some problem. If u get an accident or lose ur money what woman will still stay? And when u have good time u still cant be happy with ur current woman because ur unsatisfied because she dont match ur ideals.
@@dayman161172 you are blinded man, instead of finding and ranting why women are like that, take time to cultivate yourself and explore yourself. Don't find a perfect paradise or a perfect life there is no such thing, since this world is full of pain and hardships to make us grow.
@@vibedude-du4ud im 26 virgin and i know how loneliness and hardship feel. Thats why im becoming the best version of myself. I couldnt never attract woman dispate the money and time i invested in seduction and how it works.
Stoic views on love and lust very similar to my Christian beliefs on it as well, only difference is the believe that everything is in God's hand and we really own nothing but are stewards but all that He has given to us. Love the content bro keep it up.
Leechimane I agree but I think stoicism in general also assumes we don’t own anything wether or not whoever practices stoicism believes in God though. Im a Christian as well and I have the same view. I’m sure you’ve heard of one of the most popular phrases in stoicism, Amor Fati, meaning to love your fate. I interpret Amor fati as leaving my life up to Gods will. I feel like stoicism in general can easily be interpreted as leaving everything up to God from a Christian perspective because stoicism simply implies we don’t have control over everything.
My Brain Injury made me hyperaware, it made me over analyze everything in my life and it was killing me. I trained my mind to go through existence with a fine tuned comb. Try more, that’s all I ask.
Roy I've just started, too! I've come to realise I've been desiring something that may never come. I'm starting a life of abstaining from anything toxic. Wish me luck!
There are higher things than fun between the sheets but there's nothing quite like it. And it can be hard times when one never gets to ease the appetite.
I have a feeling that sin isn't the actual action, but when the action controls your decisions. For example wrath would be a sin if you were to go by impulse, but if it was a controlled calm action against enemies then it isn't a sin. ( of course after you decide if it's wise to use violence) So I guess it's that lust isn't exactly evil... it's just when you're controlled by it, it becomes a "sin". EDIT: minor sentence editing
Actually what is in mind and spirit, it is ALREADY sin, and what is in mind and spirit WILL: - Leak and cause yourself trouble -- honestly, sometimes something subtle like that can have exponentially greater damage as people consider it the proverbial tip of the iceberg; or, - Even merely causing you to miss out on better results, as you're energies are consumed on restraint and controlling yourself, excessive caution or seeming inhibition, instead of giving yourself to mutually productive results; or, - in the extreme case, the fruit of it might gush out in action. Major psychologists even direct apostles of Freud, such as Karen Horney have written extensively on it; and in divinity Jesus mentioned it too. Also, violence should never be an option except in the form of equal force in the process of defending yourself from a violent attack.
I’ve started learning about the stoic philosophy. But, idk how much I agree with yet. But, Marcus Arelius and Epitetitus (I butchered that) wrote down some things that make a lot of sense. Though I’ll never stop perusing love. I know what I want. Not a fleeting emotion. Like romantic love but, true companionship. Even as I lean more Athiest. I’ll admit that people who manage to endure this world and not be separated by it have my admiration. I find monogamy more admirable than polygamy. And commitment to be a good character trait. Though while I’ll always consider cheating to be a little evil. In my opinion. This philosophy probably helps to better help it when it does happen. Though I’d prefer to avoid the outcome. I’m not a full stoic. I’m not adopting this as a new religion but. There’s some good points made in this philosophy. But, I do have my own mind and I like to think for myself as well. The Marcus’ words are very appreciated. Even if we did raid the mans personal journal going against his wishes. It was supposed to be buried with him.
As much as this world makes it seem sex isnt everything nor is the need to have someone. The goal of life, is just to live. Just exist. Once you do that you can pursue any purpose peacefully
Check out Einzelgänger's book 'Stoicism for Inner Peace' here: einzelganger.co/innerpeace
The idea of nothing is lost, but returned is actually quite good. We were all born in this world without anything so you really can't lose anything. And when you die, you are returned also, since you haven't always been alive. Everything just returns to its previous state of not being what it currently is.
deep. I'll remember that! thank you!
@@sofitocyn100 Let me blow your mind as I have been blown years ago by Dr. Wayne W. Dyer R.I.P :
You came from NO - WHERE
and you are NOW - HERE
and you will return to NO - WHERE
see, it's the same letters/ a cycle if you wish
@@knightmer3645 Thank you for sharing. Absolutely loved it!
PS) this channel attracts very good souls!
thats good, i like that
Well put, and I agree
"True love is love of giving not receiving".
- Abraham Twerski
to give is to receive
EbutOuY robot smh
Cucked love
Okba Cherboub Here you are again, my friend
in yoga. we say one hand giving and one hand receiving. otherwise there is inbalancing and can not last long
One man prays "How can I sleep with that woman?" Your prayer should be "How can I lose the desire to sleep with her." Marcus Aurelius
'How can I hold my offer of desire such that she would value it'
@B Hal He's obviously not talking about a spouse.
Go back to Africa.
@@philbemji3337 you shouldn't be following and listening to stoic philosophy.. demeaning words are for kids.. grow up ☺️
You shouldn’t be following or listening to stoic philosophy. I don’t know if those are stoic words. Maybe this is exactly where he should be, if he acts like that. Either way you shouldnt let him take your peace of mind. Plus, if I’ve been listening to this correctly. Pride seems to be frowned upon in favor of humility. So, a potential holier then though attitude probably isn’t stoic. Who knows.
Though I find stoicism full of good ideas. Idk if I agree with every thing though. Indeed humility is an admirable trait. Too much humility can lead to self deprecating, or miss opportunities. Having a little pride or a positive sense of self worth isn’t a bad thing. But, I tend to understand and agree why some philosophies tend to speak against pride as if you give into it too much it clouds ones vision , and mind. Leading to a sense of arrogance or jadedness.
I tend to kind of agree with the statement. I don’t think it’s stoicism but, I like it. “There is nothing noble in being better than your fellow man. True nobility is being superior to your former self. “ I believe Ernest Hemming way said that. Then again it makes sense. After all you are your worst enemy. So, striving to be a better , or stronger person than who you were yesterday, seems like a very virtuous goal. And maybe lays the ground work for building character.
Then again part of stoicism is listening more to oneself and less to the criticisms of others. But, not do you can look upon them from a higher place but because they don’t deserve to have you peace of mind when they want.
*Stoicism truly prepares you for the hardship and struggles that you will face* 🙏
Or help you to endure the pain of suffering caused from event that has happened.
@@zanaoyunsuvd1665true..gives you a chance to get a better understanding of not just yourself but the world itself.
it gives ideas. it doesn't help in applying them practically. you can know the best recipe and be incapable of executing it.
tell person with trauma to just be virtuos ROTFL
Aiming to be the best version of yourself and manifesting positive ideologies into the minds of others are definitely ways to live by.
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Indeed, but make sure that it is profitable or that it is a hobby. Most people don't care and just want to do their thing so never cast your pearls before swine. Rather, lead by example but be indifferent about people following you or not.
@@HUGO.9O9 Self improvement is masturbation
Love = higher self, serving others
Lust = animal self, self serving
if you serve others you serve idea not self. So it's not higher less it's being less self. Lust is serving animal part of self, it's there for a reason just circumstances changed so it activates in wrong contexts and we didn't make a new manual to using it.
Romantic love is waaaaay overrated ... if you guys only knew how much time I've wasted on dating sites, events, etc. When I could have been doing something much more productive with my existence.
Well, sometimes you have to learn the hard way...
@@Einzelgänger very, very true 💔🔜💓💖
Romantic love is naturally my biggest desire :/ I fear without it my life would be empty but I got to do something meaningful alone in the meantime
Dated my best friend for 6 years since we just wanted to settle down and she ended up leaving for the pursuit of romantic love, good luck to her
And the irony of that is, when you focus off of other people and trying to find someone, and begin to focus on, and improve yourself for the sake of yourself, often a great and worthy person will appear. The energy you give off when you are calm and self-focused is not desperate or anxious, but calm and and happy, and the kinds of people you'd want a good relationship with (a partner who is calm and focused and happy), will see that in you and pick up on it. This is just something I've seen happen to people I know personally, time and time and time again.
wife left me last week after 27 years of marriage ... its tough.
i devoted my life to her and the kids .... there must be something good on the way.
oh, i have MS pretty bad and i am in a wheelchair. i am now fully in on a path to improve myself.
i have been investing in stoicism for about 7 month...life saving/changing. i am grateful because this would have killed me a year ago.
I pray to Universe to give you what you really deserve. Keep staying strong, you are worthy and you are strong!
@@A1dakz thank you for the uplifting words. She now lives in my past and will remain there as i strive for excellence in myself.
Stay strong! Greatness is coming from within!
Crazy Legs be the emperor of yourself
I wish you all the best. How are you?
*_Intersting, not many people talk about lust + stoicism and if it's virtuous_*
...true...most of the people are not prepared to see the facts...
It's called being a player 😂
@B Hal ...true they didn't...but they could have had orgies without ends...mostly the same kind of root.
They didn't indulge, I guess this is the trick.
I don't have to binge drinking, but drink a cup of wine now and then, I can see my friends, but don't always share their lust for the Circus (today Video games)... and so on.
I’m 5 years deep in a very painful divorce. I hurt very badly as I continued to cling on to jealousy and lust. Finally I gave up on that and moved on. I still love her, but now it’s unconditional love (because she broke all my conditions).
Breakups are all about ego. As soon as you give up on carrying your bitterness and pain, it’s a huge weight lifted off.
They are about ego indeed. Great point.
maybe time to reassess conditions or change perspective
@@szymonbaranowski8184I've abolished conditions and seen through every perspective. 2 years after making this comment, I will say as an update: the only thing that has helped in the slightest has been a hard drug habit that I recently picked up. It's really hard to be depressed when you're artificially loading up on dopamine.
because of an attachment/abandonment trauma i suffered as a child, I would cling to anything and everything in my futile attempt to "keep it"....
Dawna me too... we are whole though. Everyone seems to have a void to fill and we must fill it with God
True story.
@@Jadedgems Or something else.
mans got horny on divine knowledge hell yeah
@@randomaccount9213 If he wants to be filled up by god, he can do that in his lonesome 😂
nice video, a day aga i got rejected by a girl that ive liked much, but after this rejection, i dont feel nothing, I respect her decision and I cant control her decisions
thx stoicism!
Romance is a young persons game if you don't grow out if it you remain a child.
💯🗿🙏
It’s very refreshing to see some people are still able to separate love and lust and not confuse them as the same thing.
This isn't a loss, it is just a return. Love this channel.
"She is not yours, it is just your turn."
Hmm
Little RP dose
"It is returned" I love that! That resonates.
I forget the quote by Marcus Aurelius but it said something like doing something unvirtuous out of anger is better than doing something unvirtuous out of desire or lust. Becausee desire is unmanly and you should control it.
anyway this is an on point video topic, great work
Thanks, Between The Lines! "The angry man seems to turn his back on reason out of a kind of pain and inner convulsion. But the man motivated by desire, who is mastered by pleasure, seems somehow more self- indulgent, less manly in his sins."
@@Einzelgänger My man, thanks for having that on hand.
True
I think desire is actually a pretty manly personal trait.
As long as you when to act on it and when not and how to channel it into different pursuits.
Also think how many great men initially were motivated by their lust to start their journey.
Desire is indeed unmanly. Women are the ones driven by desire. Restraint is Manly.
Very well explained. This generation is all about heating the sheets and forgetting the face. I can't deny my desire to be with not just one but many women as possible. But my morals and my virtues does not allow me to do such as it is just an impulse of the moment; which when carefully waited and thought, results into something I would not like later on. Only the contemplation about such action makes me resentful. Hence to conclude that same carnal desire for more than one woman does not lead to happiness but to desolation and emptiness. We are emotional beings hence we must strive for emotional connection with another human being so that with good friendship and hence with further intimacy we can give birth to love.
Love is the ultimate joy but lust is ephemeral.
Love is eternal but lust is transient.
And regarding the other pursuits of life, I say there are so much more before we think of dating and finding partner for ourselves.
Maybe we are yet to grow up before we can understand another human being.
Love your videos buddy. Keep us posted.😊🙂
Crazy4Dumplings don't partake in today's degeneracy
@@alomei ✋
Crazy4Dumplings ✋🏻
I used to think you had to be extremely intelligent to be considered a genius when infact everyone else just needs to be stupid.
@@alomei 😆😆
Be patient
A practical way to look at lust would be to regard it as the "carrot" that motivates us to better our lives.
Take the example of approaching a person you found attractive. No social media, no tinder, no social circles. Just face to face.
Imagine the skills needed to help ensure a successful venture. Skills ranging from social and emotional intelligence to logistical planning. Even an understanding of stoic philosophy could be required to help one through the rigors of constant failure and rejection.
All of those skills are easily applicable to other areas of one's life whether it's the professional world, improving physical health, or gaining a sense of self-sufficiency.
IMO, by giving lust a PURPOSE, it gives us humans a way to reconcile our inherent animalistic desires with our modern attitudes...all the while getting closer to being in touch with what we each want out of life.
And I don't think that aiming for "a bit fun beneath the sheets" denigrates us as people, if anything it lifts us up and gives us an opportunity to find strength from being willingly vulnerable with another human.
To summarize my point in a phrase one could say to themselves after their first successful sexual conquest:
"If I could convince someone to get into bed with me, who knows *what else* is possible for me"
Nice!
That’s a good subjective validation of lust; if you can reconcile to that and it propels you in other areas of your life; who’s to say it’s wrong.
The only issue is the low standard that you set yourself in your summary, is actually paradoxical. These days it’s more difficult to find a girl that won’t get into bed with a guy. And if she’s a woman with standards, it’s because she likes you and sees potential in you, she will make you wait, at least beyond the first date.
@@lightdweller1 "The only issue is the low standard that you set yourself in your summary, is actually paradoxical. These days it's more difficult to find a girl that won't get into bed with a guy"
You're not wrong.
And anectdotally, with the females I approach it appears that trend seems to be heading that way. Internally, I rejoice when I run into a 'woman with standards' for it forces me to 'raise my game' so to speak.
However, as time passed...i'm finding that the difficulty of the girl doesn't really matter.
Sure, the girl may be generally easier to sleep with, but I the male am the one who must get out of the house, assess/create the circumstances needed to successfully initiate first contact with the female, and then take the initiative of finding out if that's true. A degree of motivating myself is required for any of these actions to take place at all.
In essence I found I was not really seducing the girl, I was seducing myself......into being the best version of me. I simply cannot be anything but that when presenting myself to a girl I want.
Other observations:
The vast majority of females I meet appear to guard their honest feelings. Essentially maintaining a 'mask' of what they think other people expect them to behave...especially when dealing with a male pursuing them.
Up until the point I take them to bed for the first time, that is.
After that, it was like she could relax for once and share her unfiltered view on anything we talked about. As long as I maintained my own integrity and honesty in the situation, she respected me as a man...even as we eventually broke things off because of conflicting logistical problems, life getting in the way, etc.
Perhaps there is a virtuous way to approach lust after all?
P.S
Thank you for this reply. Admittedly, I was at first offended by it. But i'm glad I instead took the time to properly internalize those words to the point where it has raised my level of thinking.
Wherever you are, I hope you're well.
Antichrys Thank you for sharing your experience. It’s interesting to read it from a man’s perspective; I hadn’t considered before the contradictory forces that a man has to negotiate.
I agree; openness, honesty and being fully oneself is the best approach for any meaningful connection, else no one is actually present in the experience.
I really appreciated your considered response and powers of reflection, very refreshing... and apologies if my initial reply seemed in any way offensive, it was actually a little tongue in cheek.
@@lightdweller1 It's all good.
Love comes in so many shades and colours that sometimes it gets really confusing. What initially may seem like an unconditional pure love might turn very ugly later, and the vice versa, there are relationships which were rocky initially but have stabilised over time.
Love should be like a flow of water - there are places it will flow calmly - laminar flow - and there are places where it will be turbulent.
I lament the loss of these ideas in western society. Thank you for putting them out there.
This also says no to porn, just saying.
Porn is the best way to leverage your lust many fold.
@@MattLima No, it is the worst way. It rather amplifies your sexuality and makes you objectify and sexualize everything.
@@muhammadarsalanhussain3924 I meant that only. It leverages your lust, because of that you objectify, become restless, and lose your clarity etc.
So its the best way to bring misery in life. :)
@@MattLima damn you had me in the first half( the first comment I mean)
@@muhammadarsalanhussain3924 ... Says who?
My ex was extremely romantic, full of love and passion, and an art lover (ESFP personality) but we could never translate our love into our sex life. It just never worked out for some reason. He left me once he realised that I didn't align with his values and passions anymore. My current bf is the opposite. Unexpressive, very independent, cold blooded, naturally stoic (in his mindset and lifestyle), hardworking (ISTJ personality) but sex is fire and I know he would never leave me because he is incredibly loyal to his commitments. Sometimes I miss the serenades my ex used to sing to me every minute, but I appreciate the stoic life lessons I get just from living with my current bf. He is very wise, but accidentally.
Are you a feeler type?
Unconditional love, I believe, only exists between a mother & child. There r too many other variables that can de-rail a relationship, but a mother will love her kid No Matter What!
IMO love of either parent for a child is not a selfless act. That child is the bearer of your genetic basis into the future. Your immortality in a sense. Loving and caring for a child not closely related to you is more virtuous. IMO of course.
@@sampetrie340 U don't have Me as a mother! I take ur point, but virtue has nothing to do w/ loving a child, IMO.
suzanne adamson yep, that is what I was trying to say.
The mother/child relationship can be a trauma bond in some cases which influences the child’s attachment choices forever. I think this is what’s wrong with me & my relationship choices. I want to change this so I’m studying Stoicism.
It is shocking, but logical and realistic this philosophy. We are actually alone in this world and we have to grow as people on our own, setting aside feelings for people who will not be with us always, because if we don't, we get frustrated, we go into depression, we need drugs and psychologists to try to cope with life's pains.
Thanks for this. I've been looking for someone to talk about Stoicism and Love. Great content!! Keep creating!!
It all comes down in balancing between your human/animal needs..
Exactly. There is a middle path between stoicism and satanism and that's where mental health seems to reside (from a 3rd wave CBT perspective)
@Rudi1893 Cognitive-bahavioral therapy, 3rd wave therapies include Acceptance and Commitment therapy, which I highly recommend.
Greg Heavy Can you explain what you mean by this? What has CBT got to do with this?
@@esyphillis101 Not CBT per se, but ACT. I'm not willing to explain ACT in a yt comment: definitely worth looking up (Russ Harris, Steven Hayes, DJ Moran and others).
humans are animals and many animals are loyal and monogamous.
If you want unconditional love, get yourself a dog, and don't allow your human partner to interfere in quality time with your dog.
Brian Richards facts.
Also women are not capable of love
I was thinking about this yesterday.
I asked myself:
Who in my life loves me unconditionally and completely, with absolutely zero judgement towards me, who holds no secrets, who would never question me? Who in my life would go with me anywhere, at any time, and untiringly stay by my side forever, until I or they die? Who in my life would ferociously protect me with their life, no matter what danger presents itself, or die selflessly for me without a second thought?
No one, except for my dog.
There is no such thing as unconditional love. Dogs only love because they're genetically programmed over 100s of years to cling to humans as they often provide protection and food.
Say these affirmations at any given time. Very gently yet Loud enough so that your ears can hear u.. Believe. SAY I am Strong, Healed, whole, loving, happy, healthy, harmonious say it even when u are turning in your sleep it will come around.
These vids get cleaner and smarter! Keep doing your thing
Thank you Alexander! I'm happy that there's progress ;)
it'll eventually be livestream eminating pure nothingness
Make a video on Jealousy.I wonder how Stoics handled it and how it will help me.
That's a great idea.. thanks!
Also like this idea
u have to be a very selfish and stupid person to feel jealous. the stoics weren't like that
Your last line touched me...I who have been living alone for years could never understand why people value having a lover so much. It's not that I've never felt loneliness but after years of self-assessment I've come to realise that that's not all that there is to life...love shouldn't be the one & only pursuit of life or a reason for you to become better. Great video ❤
It’s very fascinating that a lot of stoic principles and pillars mimics those shown and taught in Islam
Lust is not love. Love is love and lust is lust. Sexual expressioncan be arrived at in either state of being. Thw two are often confused from lack of experience. But once experienced, it can never be forgotten nor confused again. There is a clear distinction, rare as it may be.
I just wanted to comment to thank you for the great work you're doing.
Intimate conversation is the best foreplay.
Yes, there is wayyy more to a satisfying life than a little fun between the sheets. It's nice to know I am not alone in this understanding. Thank you!
Yes. But remembering the stoic ideal of moderation.... few would be truly happy without a moderate amount of erotic love. Some would, maybe, everyone is different.... but those who would be unhappy without occasional “fun between the sheets” are not lacking in virtue or falling short on stoic ideals.
Thought-provoking, as always.
Ive been waiting for a video like this. Thank you
Lust / sex can be like therapy, when done well sometimes helps energise the body for both partners !
Anything goes as long as balance is there between the stoic virtues of: Wisdom, Temperance, Justice, Courage
I'm love with a married woman... I tried to resist so much, but at some point I gave up. I don't think I can have a long term relationship with her... But she is amazing, I really like her, someone how can teach me things about love and life. She is 8 years older than me, I'm 22, but it's like we are a 17 couple... Everything is so amazing. I already assumed that I'm doing something wrong, but I'm really to assume all the consequences.
"...but im really to assume the consequences..."
If you meant to say 'Ready', then that's all that really matters. Enjoy this situation for all it has to offer and take it as a life lesson to apply to other girls down the line if it doesn't work out.
Did she in love with u too?
This is good to mention the impermanence of all things and people. Like the quote “It is returned”!
Emotional support and affection are deep set human needs. Our culture has a history of pretending that men should have no such needs. Since most philosophers have been men, there is a void of philosophic discourse on these. The true romantic love is an agreement to give these to each other and no one else because giving these to someone else would neglect the partners emotional need to feel special in your eyes. These are not logical. These are human.
This Was The Much Needed Video I wanted and here we are Love Your Channel Keep Up With Your Channel ❤️
I feel I was meant to hear this.
Love to see the videos from Indo! Beautiful memories 🙏
Flow state will become the love of my.
Thank you for sharing this video sir.
AHHH I’ve been questioning a lot why there are religions that forbid sex before marriage but it makes more sense now! Thanks so much!! ❤️
Thank you. this video came just at a time where I needed it.
I think Love is the most important thing that humans can share and Lust an experience you wanna make. It is as with everything though, once you try to own it, you basically make a dept that you sooner or later will have to repay with pain (loss).
I love your channel and videos and I am glad to learn a lot (including English) from them. Appreciation from Taiwan.
I am 23 years old and have been single my whole life. I guess part of the reason why is because I was afraid to start a relationship with someone because I know the odds of it outlasting time is extremely low especially for relationships at my age. And I suppose I am just not ready to face the emotional baggage of a breakup; knowing myself, I am a pretty sentimental person and a break up would destroy me. But now I am starting to think that maybe I've waited too long and having at least one relationship earlier in my life would have been good for me cuz I would have gained at least some kind of experience. But now that's it's 2020 and the entire world is under quarantine, even the option of getting into a relationship isn't even practical or possible at the moment (at least not where I live) and I probably won't have a romantic relationship until this covid shit is over, so I am pretty much screwed for god knows how long. I don't even have the opportunity to give romance a shot anymore. Anyone else in the same boat?
Take all the time you need!
23 years and you act as if you're 60 years. I'm in my mid 30s. The very first relationship I had was my marriage itself in my 30s. That too didn't last more than a few months. I'm from a country where relationships are hard to come by even during the 20s. I'm doomed to die alone.
21 in the same boat
Sex is something incredible sacred, people always diminish sex giving it less important of what it really has.
The union of 2 bodys is something very powerful.
All things aren't really bad, what we things as bad is went something get out of balance.
Jealousy for example is not wrong unless it's out of balance, when it's balance it's known as admiration.
Pride when it's balance is known as self admiration, greed when it's balance is your desire for betterment.
Love, lust an pleasure is the same, if you tagged them as bad, it means that you are not seeing the entire picture.
I found this video very helpful. Two thumbs up!!
Please make separate videos on each of the seven deadly sins and stoicism.
I know about this! Romantic love is just more about lust than something durable!
I am pursuing knowledge for knowledge's sake. As far as love and lust is concerned, well, let me just say the window of opportunity is rapidly closing on those ideas.
As someone who has been a slave to desire my entire life, I praise the gods that I have found stoic philosophy
You were always stoic my friend, you just needed to remember. :)
How funny. Some time ago I stumbled upon an article which stated that stoicism was actually closer to edonism when it comes to love and lust. I guess you can use stoicism to put marriage and traditional values forward, but it's a shame you're not talking about the other side of the medal. Stoicism is about being truthful towards your feelings and rationalizing your place on the earth. In my opinion stoicism puts honest relations forward but that doesn't mean marriage is the way to go. It's about how honest you are with the other person and with yourself. Marriage can be a way, but it doesn't have to.
So late to your comment but would love to hear more about this. Any links to the article or other media?
Ahh, this I can get behind. A policy of honesty and individual freedom.
Really cool perspective.
We grow learning that if we buy a candy with a coin then it belongs to us, which is true. But then we get people into our lives and don´t realize that we are not buying but renting their time and companionship. And that rent will expire sooner or later.
Lust is a bad thing, Emanuel Swedenborg made a good point in Love in Marriage, that true married love is spiritual and therefore bodily and not bodily and therefore spiritual. True love is sacrificing your self interest for others and loving the goodness in others that God placed in them that truly define who they are. But lust is wrapped in the word love so much that this concept has become confused.
stop talking nonsense
goldenhotdogs I see your point, it's very reasonable, but there is an aspect of it that I believe you don't understand, and that is that we are more happy when we help others, we are closer to God when we better love his children, and when we are closer to God we are happier because we are more complete and better understand who we truly are as children of God.
When I mentioned true love, I didn't mean that you should tirelessly sacrifice your interests for someone who doesn't care about you at all, you can't be married to someone who doesn't love you, becaue marriage isn't a government, social, or religious contract, it's a union of a man and a woman in a deep way. They become one flesh, they become bonded with one another out of a true love, they mutually love one another and are willing to sacrifice their own selfish interests for the other because they both love each other. The husband's interest becomes the wife's interest and vice versa because they are together. A marriage is not a marriage unless it is based in equlity, a marriage cannot be slavery because it would not be a marriage. Though people are deceived as to what marriage is and may falsely call it marriage.
This background music is EVERYTHING
Woww, I’m new ro your channel and living these videos of wisdom. Thanks a lot for all the work! 🤗🤗
Thank you do much for all of your videos! You really do help me understand life, emotions, religion, & stoicism much better than before I started watching your videos. Thank you again.
"And when this body, for some reason is not available, we suffer"..... Can anyone please please please elaborate it.. I think i relate to this.
Love is Best when shared.
Man. Now that I think about it, I think I might have discovered the work of Marcus Aurelius through your channel 1-2 years ago. I cannot thank you enough, it has literally changed my life.
The chapter on 'The Choice of Hercules' in the book 'How to Think like a Roman Emperor' had a great line that talked about Hercules. It said "His life had something far more satisfying than pleasure. It had purpose." This ties closely with what you send at the end of the video (aren't there higher things to pursue than some fun between the sheets).
Lol did anyone else chuckle when the music started playing ;)))
"Aren't there higher things than some fun between the sheets? Let me know in the comment section."
- Ill let you know if I find them.
You don't belong here
@@sumitsajwanforeal I disagree He is exactly who belongs here.
"Is a man who is whole in need of a physician?" Jesus
"I love psych/ philosophy, they bring understanding of life, but what can be "higher" then one who understands the life he creates. Is not God higher then all?" Me just now. I am facetious, nice to meet you.
I am not insulted by your opinion, and I assure you we both belong here. My children are the most important thing to me at this time in my life. I am curious what great secrets you have uncovered in you're vast understanding. I did come here in hopes of knowledge.
@@JustinSmith-ce9cv indeed😊. Life is an exploration. Stagnation is the beginning of the end
The great philosopher quavo once stated, " beat it up and give it back to the streets"
I disagree with the stoics here. Lust is not as harmful to others as greed and violence. So called 'manly' sins are worse because they damage others and our society as a whole.
You have a good point!
It damage the humanity as well, how people influence other people's mind due to lust and think it's a cool way to do it. Like how kids do things today like sex is a normal thing buy aint valuable thing sometimes it make someone be a rapist due to lust influence from people, that created a society full of simps and unmanful way of life.
I am in the fevor of lust but its a hell. If u dont get the woman u want u feel depressed. If u have a woman ur lokking for the next one. Even if u find a 10 there will be some problem. If u get an accident or lose ur money what woman will still stay? And when u have good time u still cant be happy with ur current woman because ur unsatisfied because she dont match ur ideals.
@@dayman161172 you are blinded man, instead of finding and ranting why women are like that, take time to cultivate yourself and explore yourself. Don't find a perfect paradise or a perfect life there is no such thing, since this world is full of pain and hardships to make us grow.
@@vibedude-du4ud im 26 virgin and i know how loneliness and hardship feel. Thats why im becoming the best version of myself. I couldnt never attract woman dispate the money and time i invested in seduction and how it works.
I just want to say, THANK YOU, THANK YOU and THANK YOU!
...when we are in our prime, nothing more fun, than between the sheets....
Stoic views on love and lust very similar to my Christian beliefs on it as well, only difference is the believe that everything is in God's hand and we really own nothing but are stewards but all that He has given to us. Love the content bro keep it up.
Leechimane I agree but I think stoicism in general also assumes we don’t own anything wether or not whoever practices stoicism believes in God though. Im a Christian as well and I have the same view. I’m sure you’ve heard of one of the most popular phrases in stoicism, Amor Fati, meaning to love your fate. I interpret Amor fati as leaving my life up to Gods will. I feel like stoicism in general can easily be interpreted as leaving everything up to God from a Christian perspective because stoicism simply implies we don’t have control over everything.
Yeah i cheated on my wife and now i really miss all the little things she used to do and say.
Last statement blow my mind
Thanks
Shared creativity with one another's skills
She returned to the streets
Intimate relationships and virtue can exist in harmony
Fun between the sheets is the highest high ever.
Always helpful...obrigado!
Thanks Daniel!
Absolutely there are “higher things to pursue!” If you seek first the kingdom of God, all these things shall be added unto you!
I really appreciate your comment...
Please make a video on NoFap. We value your opnion.
I think we all know what the answer is. Insert emoji
ratoneJR great idea
Thank you.
Love the experience of life and you'll be OK. Je
Have fun! It's really true life is wasted on the living!
You’re doing a great service with your content. This was great and I hope you keep the videos coming!
My Brain Injury made me hyperaware, it made me over analyze everything in my life and it was killing me.
I trained my mind to go through existence with a fine tuned comb.
Try more, that’s all I ask.
Definitely going to start with nofap after this video.
two weeks in
Roy
I've just started, too!
I've come to realise I've been desiring something that may never come.
I'm starting a life of abstaining from anything toxic.
Wish me luck!
u come yet
@@urmama54 noice.
@@stockystockdog9155 good work mate! Wish you the best of luck
There are higher things than fun between the sheets but there's nothing quite like it. And it can be hard times when one never gets to ease the appetite.
Thank you for doing this !
I have a feeling that sin isn't the actual action, but when the action controls your decisions.
For example wrath would be a sin if you were to go by impulse, but if it was a controlled calm action against enemies then it isn't a sin. ( of course after you decide if it's wise to use violence)
So I guess it's that lust isn't exactly evil... it's just when you're controlled by it, it becomes a "sin".
EDIT: minor sentence editing
Actually what is in mind and spirit, it is ALREADY sin, and what is in mind and spirit WILL:
- Leak and cause yourself trouble -- honestly, sometimes something subtle like that can have exponentially greater damage as people consider it the proverbial tip of the iceberg; or,
- Even merely causing you to miss out on better results, as you're energies are consumed on restraint and controlling yourself, excessive caution or seeming inhibition, instead of giving yourself to mutually productive results; or,
- in the extreme case, the fruit of it might gush out in action.
Major psychologists even direct apostles of Freud, such as Karen Horney have written extensively on it; and in divinity Jesus mentioned it too.
Also, violence should never be an option except in the form of equal force in the process of defending yourself from a violent attack.
I’ve started learning about the stoic philosophy. But, idk how much I agree with yet. But, Marcus Arelius and Epitetitus (I butchered that) wrote down some things that make a lot of sense.
Though I’ll never stop perusing love. I know what I want. Not a fleeting emotion. Like romantic love but, true companionship. Even as I lean more Athiest. I’ll admit that people who manage to endure this world and not be separated by it have my admiration. I find monogamy more admirable than polygamy. And commitment to be a good character trait.
Though while I’ll always consider cheating to be a little evil. In my opinion. This philosophy probably helps to better help it when it does happen. Though I’d prefer to avoid the outcome. I’m not a full stoic. I’m not adopting this as a new religion but. There’s some good points made in this philosophy. But, I do have my own mind and I like to think for myself as well. The Marcus’ words are very appreciated.
Even if we did raid the mans personal journal going against his wishes. It was supposed to be buried with him.
It caught my attention that many footage from various vids of yours seem to be shot in Indonesia. Do you happen to work/live there?
So happy to have returned you.
Excellent! Thank you.
so true and if one could teach young people that (including the young me ) me and others would have put our lifes to some use long before we did :)
As much as this world makes it seem sex isnt everything nor is the need to have someone. The goal of life, is just to live. Just exist. Once you do that you can pursue any purpose peacefully