a much cheaper option would be the mouth test, put mouth over exhaust and you can taste the mixture and adjust from there, its quite a reliable method.
Now that these sets are discontinued, I found all the parts separately for the "no weld" method this kit contained. However, I'm concerned about the insert you put into the exhaust. Would having such a thing permanently protruding inside the exhaust have any ill effect performance at all? I'm not experienced enough to know.
Can you actually ride a little with this installed so that you get readings under load? I know the gauge isn’t a permanent installation, but I’d be interested if I can do a few short runs in the mid range, and WOT.
I'm pretty sure you should have tested under load as no load conditions will usually show rich mixtures. It may lean out to where it's good but also could lean out more than you want? Steady state cruise is another issue. I think it's a real good diagnostic tool but doesn't completely replace a dyno run
O ya! I definitely tested while riding. This was just for demonstration purposes. Agree with you. A Dyno is a better tool. But the price of a dyno and the space it takes up, a wideband is a incredible solution.
I just check the season and fuel consumption. When its cold and consunotion is high i go rich, when its hot i go lean. Just the idle screw. And it works just fine. I get 44-46kpl.
Nice i happen to find this video right after i was asking you on live 5 minutes ago whats the best number jets to install at sea level for a gy6 150cc with a 24 mm carb...🙂👍 im gonna have to buy me this wide band sensor kit you show on this here video ....👍
Thx for sharing!!! I was planning to buy AEM AFR gauge kits as a tools for running my motorcycle equipped with carburetor. May I ask your input in regards accuracy, features and performance between AEM and SAFR? Thx again!
I wonder what relation there is between pilotjet and enricher? I mean if changing pilot to a smaller size will it result in fuel level during enrichment period to be smaller also? Or is the enricher ”bypassing” the jets?
Hey 👋 got a question for you.. why would the pilot screws have to be turned almost all the way in instead of 2&1/2 turns out to get a good air/fuel mixture? I'm using a Gunson Colortune.. What would be causing that? Thanks
@@RollingWrench can I just get why the factory says and put them in. It's been rebuilt twice once by someone that didn't do a good job and I don't know but I checked and the rights sizes were in the right spot. They are both 35.. so I don't know if he cleaned them with something that made the whole bigger. Idk... Could it be anything else? If not I'm gonna replace then.
The website says they are currently not for rental or sale, the new revised product will be Bluetooth, product will not be available until then, and I don’t know when. 🍻
Why do you have to connect it to both battery and charger connector? the bike I want to use it on really old and has no battery so I was thinking to just carry a small 12v leisure battery in a backpack so i could us it to tune the cab in then take it off
Good video. Can I ask how i choose the right size carb for my ped. I have a gy6 4t 180cc. I think maybe a 30mm carb but ive been told that may be too big. Any tips?
The SAFR tool site is no longer active. However, www.dobeckperformance.com is still up, so I assume you can contact them to order one? Also, do they sell the inserts and the tool, or is there a separate source for those?
I’ve been having problems tuning a 28mm OKO slide carb on my gy6 ruckus. Watched this video and decided to give safr rental a try. Not much for reviews online for it. It should be delivered next week. What do you recommend for steps for tuning with it? Like your video? Get idle dialed in with a/f screw and idle jet, then full throttle with main jet, then adjust clip position for mid? Thanks man, super helpful videos you do. Just subscribed.
Bro I've literally beat the shit outs my 150. Rode it like a dirt bike on a dirt track crash all that and it's still golden just do oil changes and valve adjustment s regularly
Lol going a little rogue here bud but is this a scooter only type application??? I’ve got a mud motor that I’m trying to get tuned correctly and contemplated on this as a solution?? Exhaust span is a little smaller in length obviously but it is a 4 stroke air cooled predator 670
So I'm having the hardest time with tuning my vitacci challenger 150cc , without this particular tool would it be best to start out with your air fuel screws completely closed and start with half turns or do two complete turns and starting out in mid range be better,
I assume there are other tools out there designed to connect to existing ports like the ones you showed, but I can't find any. Would you happen to know what they are called?
The official name is “BUNG HOLE” 😂. You will need a wide band o2 sensor bung to weld into the exhaust. Our sensors come with them: www.rollingwrenchdenver.com/products/wide-band-o2-sensor-tuning-kit?ToPasteboard
I recently bought a scooter of 104 cc and it has auto choke and consumes a lot of fuel like 25 kilo meter per liter. So how do I tune my carburetor to less fuel consumption. I would like to get 60 kilo meter per liter.
You would just tap into one side of the header and match the other carb with the same tune.or if the two pipes go into one add the wide band to the main pipe
@@RollingWrench yeah it’s 4 pipes going into one. And isn’t each carb different? So if I tune one of them how do I know the other 3 are going to be the same exact tune?
Great video Matt, one day I will be able to afford it, but I do think it is worth the $250. Quick question, do you know where I get get that exhaust bracket on this bike? I don't need the exhaust just the bracket.
@@RollingWrench wow! You answered! That’s awesome! Have you ever heard of anyone using the analog output from the AEM wideband to simulate the narrow band?
I have put fcr and tried to fine tune it with a lambda sensor but i didn't know that the ideal mixture is different on the efi and the carbs and everything i tried to pass the 13.3 in reality i feel it too lean. I learned that after
This video desperately needs to be redone. Video that has up to date parts and goes through the installation would be huge. The instructions that come with the kit are not very helpful and having an informative video would make all the difference. Simply saying “ I have an adapter for a trickle charge so I’ll plug this in here and then I’ll take the trickle charge and plug it in here” is not very clear. Love all your videos and your store which is the only reason I am commenting on this. I don’t think it represents the very clear instructional videos you do
I concur I have a Navi with a battery tender & quick disconnects and I can't seem to figure out the correct power connections to get the unit to power on White +, Red +, Orange +, and Black ground. Not clear at all where to connect what to where. Need some direction on the easiest method to get it done... :)
@@RollingWrench Thanks Matt for the clarification. Easy Peasy. I just wire-nutted the Red, White, and Orange together with a pig-tail and connected to + Battery and Black to - Battery. Powered right up. Still seems to run very rich not breaking 10.5 -11 after warmup after changing the pilot jet to 38 and the Main jet to 88 on the Navi due to Exhaust Upgrade to a Vance & Hines with an aftermarket intake kit for better airflow. Do I need to go up in jet size or back down to stock 35/85 to get the O2 into the 13+ range?👍
Two strokes carbs wrk almost souls on exhaust flow. Hints if your bike was tuned to its best potential an you the. Added that. Then you’d have to tune for that exhaust alteration. Was while back when I watched the video. Think you wrkn on 2stroke but been long time and don’t plan on watching g again to see
@@RollingWrench Everyone is a known all. UGH if only this guy. Well everyone will have there haters sad why people cant be positive and do the correct home work before they open they fat cheese burger eaten mouths.
So I just got off the phone with Dobeck and the outsert chimps the insert up to make a seal. Hines not protruding the hole length of the insert. There is only like 1/4 inch in the inside of the pipe. So all the comments from Acura RL are not as valid as he things. I had to get to the bottom of the haters. Sorry for doing his homework for him. A+ on mine haha.
I should tell you guys, I order for the O2 sensor you sniff the exhaust, I must be in front of the exhaust flow. If it is not, it will not read properly. Conclusion: you must obstruct the exhaust flow in order for the 02 sensor to read. Tuning 101
Rolling Wrench Dude you have an innie an that’s an obstruction that is unnecessary. An power lose. You should welded an outtie on it. Hints you now always have an obstruction in your tiny lil pipe an the other you should do not as they have outties.
a much cheaper option would be the mouth test, put mouth over exhaust and you can taste the mixture and adjust from there, its quite a reliable method.
lol i jest of course, be safe
Suck the exhaust pipe. I think you will go to sleep..... and never wake up 😬
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i triedd this andd my wife sais I'm stupider now
Now that these sets are discontinued, I found all the parts separately for the "no weld" method this kit contained. However, I'm concerned about the insert you put into the exhaust. Would having such a thing permanently protruding inside the exhaust have any ill effect performance at all? I'm not experienced enough to know.
one more thing what size is the threaded rivet tool you attached to the ratchet?
Hello mate ! For a 100cc 2 strokes which method do you recommend to tune accurately ? thanks !
Can you actually ride a little with this installed so that you get readings under load? I know the gauge isn’t a permanent installation, but I’d be interested if I can do a few short runs in the mid range, and WOT.
Yes you have to ride under load
I'm pretty sure you should have tested under load as no load conditions will usually show rich mixtures. It may lean out to where it's good but also could lean out more than you want? Steady state cruise is another issue. I think it's a real good diagnostic tool but doesn't completely replace a dyno run
O ya! I definitely tested while riding. This was just for demonstration purposes. Agree with you. A Dyno is a better tool. But the price of a dyno and the space it takes up, a wideband is a incredible solution.
love your video sir,watching from philippines.
I just check the season and fuel consumption. When its cold and consunotion is high i go rich, when its hot i go lean. Just the idle screw. And it works just fine. I get 44-46kpl.
I found threaded inserts i just need to know what size inserts I need to make a bung. Thanks. if your too busy I understand.
Nice i happen to find this video right after i was asking you on live 5 minutes ago whats the best number jets to install at sea level for a gy6 150cc with a 24 mm carb...🙂👍 im gonna have to buy me this wide band sensor kit you show on this here video ....👍
Thx for sharing!!! I was planning to buy AEM AFR gauge kits as a tools for running my motorcycle equipped with carburetor. May I ask your input in regards accuracy, features and performance between AEM and SAFR? Thx again!
Can i hook this up on a dirtbike that is a kick start only?
What is called the insert ?
you say the AFR gauge can be rented? from where?? just installed my tuner on my C3, and love it, but need to see what i'm doing! :)
I wonder what relation there is between pilotjet and enricher? I mean if changing pilot to a smaller size will it result in fuel level during enrichment period to be smaller also? Or is the enricher ”bypassing” the jets?
What’s a good jets starting point for a 171 with a oko 28
Hey 👋 got a question for you.. why would the pilot screws have to be turned almost all the way in instead of 2&1/2 turns out to get a good air/fuel mixture? I'm using a Gunson Colortune.. What would be causing that? Thanks
The pilot jet is to big. Go smaller
@@RollingWrench can I just get why the factory says and put them in. It's been rebuilt twice once by someone that didn't do a good job and I don't know but I checked and the rights sizes were in the right spot. They are both 35.. so I don't know if he cleaned them with something that made the whole bigger. Idk... Could it be anything else? If not I'm gonna replace then.
i love you work and im from malaysia ,,,, terimah kaseh!!! for video!!!
makasih banyak 🙏
Bang buat video gak bang.
Would this SAFR tool work on 2-cycle Paramotor (Air Conception, Polini, Vittorazi, CORS Air< etc) engines?
Thank you! Great video! Do you know, if this bundle is still for sale? Great option without welding for sure.
The website says they are currently not for rental or sale, the new revised product will be Bluetooth, product will not be available until then, and I don’t know when. 🍻
Why do you have to connect it to both battery and charger connector? the bike I want to use it on really old and has no battery so I was thinking to just carry a small 12v leisure battery in a backpack so i could us it to tune the cab in then take it off
What should I do if I dont have a battery on the bike?
Good video.
Can I ask how i choose the right size carb for my ped.
I have a gy6 4t 180cc.
I think maybe a 30mm carb
but ive been told that may be too big. Any tips?
Id say 38 to make real power. But i dont know how flowy those heads are.
Great job!
I just bought this unit yesterday. Hoping I can tune a few friends bikes and make that money back.
Great idea
@@RollingWrenchthank you
The SAFR tool site is no longer active. However, www.dobeckperformance.com is still up, so I assume you can contact them to order one? Also, do they sell the inserts and the tool, or is there a separate source for those?
Huge bummer right? I wanted to grab one up and not available
It says when I looked it up they're waiting for the Bluetooth version to come in and they will not be selling or renting..
@@WintersMachining definitely a bummer 😞
Is this a four stroke or a two-stroke??
Seems this tool is no longer available. Does anybody know where to find one?
I’ve been having problems tuning a 28mm OKO slide carb on my gy6 ruckus. Watched this video and decided to give safr rental a try. Not much for reviews online for it. It should be delivered next week. What do you recommend for steps for tuning with it? Like your video? Get idle dialed in with a/f screw and idle jet, then full throttle with main jet, then adjust clip position for mid? Thanks man, super helpful videos you do. Just subscribed.
Bro can you give me a clear picture of that thread surdge thing. Or where did you buy that one?
How far can you ride a 150cc Chinese gy6 without engine overheating or damaging something
Bro I've literally beat the shit outs my 150. Rode it like a dirt bike on a dirt track crash all that and it's still golden just do oil changes and valve adjustment s regularly
@@jordanstockley5357 mine just did something crazy yesterday it’s got 16000 miles it sounds like it’s coming apart inside you can hear metal grinding
Check your variator fan or your belt those are normally what go first and the first thing you can really hear
Any one knows where can I purchase this kit? I've checked with the supplier they don't produce anymore. Maybe some one have used one
Lol going a little rogue here bud but is this a scooter only type application???
I’ve got a mud motor that I’m trying to get tuned correctly and contemplated on this as a solution?? Exhaust span is a little smaller in length obviously but it is a 4 stroke air cooled predator 670
It works on anything with a gas engine :-)
@@RollingWrench May need to check this out lol may need some recommendations on where to maybe throw it in on the exhaust!
for an EFI bike like my zuma 125 (has an o2 sensor for the ECU), would you have to drill a second hole for this gauge?
Yes, Since your zuma uses a small narrow band sensor. For tuning you would use a wide band sensor.
So I'm having the hardest time with tuning my vitacci challenger 150cc , without this particular tool would it be best to start out with your air fuel screws completely closed and start with half turns or do two complete turns and starting out in mid range be better,
I assume there are other tools out there designed to connect to existing ports like the ones you showed, but I can't find any. Would you happen to know what they are called?
Whwre do I get that adapter at
good works sir.. can i ask? where did you buy the afr? how to order?
www.safrtool.com
whats the official name of the holes in the exhaust that you put the sensor into? how do i know what sensor to use for my yamaha fz1 2001?
The official name is “BUNG HOLE” 😂. You will need a wide band o2 sensor bung to weld into the exhaust. Our sensors come with them:
www.rollingwrenchdenver.com/products/wide-band-o2-sensor-tuning-kit?ToPasteboard
I recently bought a scooter of 104 cc and it has auto choke and consumes a lot of fuel like 25 kilo meter per liter. So how do I tune my carburetor to less fuel consumption. I would like to get 60 kilo meter per liter.
How would I use a 02 sensor for dual carbs? I got a rail buggy and would like to buy one but not waste the money if I can’t use it
You would just tap into one side of the header and match the other carb with the same tune.or if the two pipes go into one add the wide band to the main pipe
@@RollingWrench yeah it’s 4 pipes going into one. And isn’t each carb different? So if I tune one of them how do I know the other 3 are going to be the same exact tune?
Empi 44 idf is what I have. 2 of them. So there’s four tuning points on it
@@nastygamenation5696 you only need to install the o2 sensor on one pipe or at the end where 4 go into 1
i have a aprilia sr 1997 its fuel injected i was wondering what i need to make it run with a carb
Do you set all three ranges (idle, mid, and WOT) to between 12.5/13.5?
Yes, all across the entire rpm range
Hi i have a scooter with a gy6 125 that did run naw it just burns the loom eny idear wot it is as u do alot with them please help
How can i order that tools
Does this work on all carbs including racing carbs? Like flat side carburettors
Anything that runs gasoline:-)
Great video Matt, one day I will be able to afford it, but I do think it is worth the $250. Quick question, do you know where I get get that exhaust bracket on this bike? I don't need the exhaust just the bracket.
I think you can rent the tool. As far as just an exhaust bracket, it’s gonna be hard pressed to get.
Hey bro,does it have to be in pipe or could it go into muffler
He said 6 inches from the exhaust, don't wanna fish wires down a hot pipe and melt them.
does it always have to be 6 inches after the exhaust exit?
You want it hot, but not too hot, and not too close to the outlet either (mixes air with pulses and messes up the reading)
What about afr on 2 stroke
So on a 125 you would need to weld in a second bung?
Yes. The factory bung is a narrow band and you would weld on a wide band bung
@@RollingWrench wow! You answered! That’s awesome! Have you ever heard of anyone using the analog output from the AEM wideband to simulate the narrow band?
What is the brass ferule for on the sensor adapter
Rivnut?
I do it that way too. works great. : )
All those tools and no thread sert gun? I'm joking..awesome little set up beats welding..
That thread insert is a restrictor
Would that insert have any negative potential to affect the performance at all?
13.3 what? Watts pascals amps?
What are the units
It's stocheometry 13.3 parts air to one part fuel. Perfect combustion is 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel
@@2wheeladdict12 aha now im with you. Thanks
After I did oil change to my 150 cc on gy6 scooter it won’t start can any one help me please to get it starting
Must take awhile fir o2 heater to warm up with such low voltage
how can i avail the tools .? im from the PHILIPPINES. THANK YOU SIR... MORE POWER
I have put fcr and tried to fine tune it with a lambda sensor but i didn't know that the ideal mixture is different on the efi and the carbs and everything i tried to pass the 13.3 in reality i feel it too lean. I learned that after
Do you sell that tuning kit?
No, but I did put a link in the description. Thanks for watching dude :-)
It's a cool tool but it costs $250. Not sure it's THAT cool. Like the video though.
@@yadaroni yeah but they have an option to rent it get a couple buddies and everybody tune at the same time be really cheap
This video desperately needs to be redone. Video that has up to date parts and goes through the installation would be huge. The instructions that come with the kit are not very helpful and having an informative video would make all the difference. Simply saying “ I have an adapter for a trickle charge so I’ll plug this in here and then I’ll take the trickle charge and plug it in here” is not very clear. Love all your videos and your store which is the only reason I am commenting on this. I don’t think it represents the very clear instructional videos you do
Hey Matt, I have been waiting to do the video on the Rolling Wrench Wide band. I have something up my sleeve. But ya I agree. It needs updated
I concur I have a Navi with a battery tender & quick disconnects and I can't seem to figure out the correct power connections to get the unit to power on White +, Red +, Orange +, and Black ground. Not clear at all where to connect what to where. Need some direction on the easiest method to get it done... :)
@@robertbagley403 very simple. Black goes to ground. The other wires all get put together and goes to positive
@@RollingWrench Thanks Matt for the clarification. Easy Peasy. I just wire-nutted the Red, White, and Orange together with a pig-tail and connected to + Battery and Black to - Battery. Powered right up. Still seems to run very rich not breaking 10.5 -11 after warmup after changing the pilot jet to 38 and the Main jet to 88 on the Navi due to Exhaust Upgrade to a Vance & Hines with an aftermarket intake kit for better airflow. Do I need to go up in jet size or back down to stock 35/85 to get the O2 into the 13+ range?👍
@@robertbagley403 sweet! The lower the gauge reads the more rich it is. The higher the number, the leaner it is. So if your to rich go down in jets
Two strokes carbs wrk almost souls on exhaust flow. Hints if your bike was tuned to its best potential an you the. Added that. Then you’d have to tune for that exhaust alteration. Was while back when I watched the video. Think you wrkn on 2stroke but been long time and don’t plan on watching g again to see
Thanks again for the chiming in 💯
@@RollingWrench Everyone is a known all. UGH if only this guy. Well everyone will have there haters sad why people cant be positive and do the correct home work before they open they fat cheese burger eaten mouths.
So I just got off the phone with Dobeck and the outsert chimps the insert up to make a seal. Hines not protruding the hole length of the insert. There is only like 1/4 inch in the inside of the pipe. So all the comments from Acura RL are not as valid as he things. I had to get to the bottom of the haters. Sorry for doing his homework for him. A+ on mine haha.
Vernon Hochstetler 💯
You just put a huge obstruction in your pipe. Nice
Thanks for chiming in 💪
Rhetorical Answer Thanks for this 🙏
I should tell you guys, I order for the O2 sensor you sniff the exhaust, I must be in front of the exhaust flow. If it is not, it will not read properly. Conclusion: you must obstruct the exhaust flow in order for the 02 sensor to read. Tuning 101
Rolling Wrench
Dude you have an innie an that’s an obstruction that is unnecessary. An power lose. You should welded an outtie on it. Hints you now always have an obstruction in your tiny lil pipe an the other you should do not as they have outties.
Acura RL Thanks for chiming in 👍🏻💯
There not sell them for now who else makes these
For the life of me mine will just not run consistently.
*I from Vietnam 🇻🇳, all bike modified 150cc from Vietnam max speed >150km/h Speedometer GoPro*
Can you use this on a two stroke 72cc / and a 125cc stroker af16 dio motor?