I only got into SM after the survival update but I heard of those "dark times" 😁 It was the same in Space Engineers... that's where my inspiration came from. I know this idea isn't new but all the advantages of hinges seem to be mostly forgotten in the SM community... hope to see a comeback. If you build something with hinges please let me know. Looking forward to it.
While I did really like Bearing Pistons, you have to agree we're way past that era now and while yes, Piston as parts are rather expensive, they provide linear motion in the least amount of space, whilst with Bearing Pistons you have to give them lots of space to even extend
They both have their pros and cons in my opinion. I would definitely avoid bearing pistons in vehicles because like you said: Pistons are more compact. When it comes to stationary machines however the space requirement of the long pipes very often is not a problem at all. Some machines and certain motions aren't even possible with pistons. Imagine something like a robot arm for example. Have a look at the swinging saw in my video. It pivots around it's center point and can fully extend to both sides without changing the orientation of the arm's end. This kind of movement can't be reproduced just with pistons. So while I definitely see your point I am still convinced bearing pistons or hinges do have a lot of underrated uses.
@@oggi42gaming77 Maybe kinda like this Yesterday i made a brawling cration using piston glitches ( which i found in other creation and they were not helpful)
I just purchased Scrap Mechanic this week after spending 8 months in Trailmakers. Your videos break down the usages and possibilities of the in game mechanics down perfectly. Well done videos all around.
What a kind compliment! Thank you The shorto. I am thinking about trying out trailmakers myself. A lot of SM player's seem to like it a lot. The thing is I am more into machines than vehicles...
@@oggi42gaming77 I'm more of a vehicle guys so I was drawn to Trailmakers. I DO find this game sis so much more robust when it comes to making functioning mechanisms though!
These are nice but, pistons are less lag intensive, after a certain amount, pistons outweigh hinges, though they do have weaker outputs. They do have uses, mainly in the carrying department, since their load capacity is much higher. They have uses, but there's still things that benefit from pistons more, due to size, having the hinge can be a detriment at times due to size, but if it's not an issue of size, then go right ahead, they are great for distance for cheap.
Ooooh, this could make for a very neat steampunk style base. There needs to be taller terrain in survival, a mountain range with deep valley for example.
I feel old seeing this video because i remember Scrap Mechanic old days where pistons did not exist and this was the only way to generate that type of motion... interesting it is that i still use that method in some builds, but is funny to see that some people didnt know... good video :3
it wasn't the only motion, there was also another one to make sliding doors, which they where put on a long suspension with a thruster pushing it to open
@@LeSeigneurPanda Well.. that's true in fact, but in early stages of the game suspensions caused so much lag that almost nobody used that method, but yeah... technically speaking you are right and it was really useful in some cases
292 Hours, Never even thought about it :) Even we have much better pistons now I will definitely use this because it just look cool - he said after 1 year LOL
Ich finde es irgendwie lustig, dass alle als die Pistons raus kamen von diesen Scheren Mechanismen weg gegangen sind und du es jetzt wiederum verwendest, um component kits zu sparen! Es wundert mich, dass da nicht schon mehr leute drauf gekommen sind. Cooles Video, mach weiter so! English: I find it kind of funny that when the pistons came out everyone went away from that scissor mechanism and now you're using it again to save on component kits! I'm surprised more people haven't figured it out.
Danke für die netten Worte Pixo Bit. Genau das gleiche habe ich mich auch gefragt. Das war einer der Gründe weshalb ich diesen Channel gestartet habe. Mich interessiert der Austausch und der Dialog mit anderen Spielern wie dir auf diesem Wege. Ich versuche jede Woche etwas hochzuladen, leider kam mir in letzter Zeit viel dazwischen, aber ansonsten werde ich weiter machen wie bisher :) Danke dir!
it's actually useful only as decoration since 3 bearings are very unstable compared to 1 piston. and i don't think it's cheaper in most cases because low level controller can't handle heavy things and to upgrade controller to max you will need more kits than you would need to upgrade piston. and you probably don't want to have empty slots in your high level controllers. also rails is cool idea but i don't think you will always have room for building it. the same is for bending part of hinges. anyway thank you for these cool ideas. your prototypes that uses this mechanism are really good.
Wow! Thank you so much Plagued_1! Hope I can give you more videos soon... I am working on multiple projects right now but none of them are quite finished yet. Feels a bit like Scrap Mechanic research. You never know when you hit the next breakthrough.
On lower end pc'c or in worlds that have a lot going on, you can use 3 lag inducing bearings instead of 1 lag inducing piston to do the same job for triple the lag! Plus it takes up multiple times the space.
My pc is six years old and my most complex machine, the automated watering machine, is doing fine. Pistons are easier to setup and take up less space but they come at a cost. It never hurts to know the alternative ;)
@@oggi42gaming77 I totally agree. My argument is not against the use of this, especially early game. It's more to point out the benifits of pistons once they become more viable.
Good points you mention here kiro. In hindsight "Stop using pistons" might have been a misleading message here... But I go over some advantages that are unique to hinges in the video... For example the ability to create an extendable arm that is controllable with W/S... I know it's possible with pistons too, but you need to add a lot of logic and it's doing this annoying sound because you are constanly switching two pistons between on and off
i dont get the point of this video, the entire point of the devs adding pistons is so we didnt have to use alot of bearings and controllers, creating less lag
I wish I knew how inverse kinematics work... maybe I could do more robot arms in Scrap mechanic. I tried to learn from a few videos but didn't find good course. Can you recommend something?
I tried that and it's definitely possible. However, the count of moving parts very close to each other goes up by a lot resulting in a lot of lag unfortunately... In my opinion the disadvantages overweigh here... But I love the way they look :)
@@oggi42gaming77 the rod that rotates to fit in the slots and stops for a bit for the water pump to waterr the soir and then it goes into the next slot. Its a bit similar to how the geneva mechanism works
That is true. This is a problem on vehicles for sure. But for stationary machines I prefer them. I also like the fact that there is this cheaper solution to my problem that also comes with new problems to solve... in the end SM is about problem solving isn't it?
I am gonna tell you This is briliant But i will keep using pistons and bods My creations are already messy in connection and you suggest instead of having 1 thing to have 3?
I do. But to me exposed moving parts look fun and interesting. I don't mind finding ways to build around them. But yes: Space seems to be the biggest argument against hinges.
Good question... haven't tested it so far. It will probably vary depending on the weight of the arm and it's position... And yes: I love the ability to control the length
Yes you do. Thats where pistons shine: They are way more compact. But for the examples shown in the video the space requirement hasn't been a problem for me.
They don't need batteries yet. Maybe they do after the update, but we don't know that yet... And if they make controllers need batteries in the future they will most likely make pistons need batteries too
Hey Lloyd, thanks for your comment. You are definitely not wrong about that. But in my experience there are a lot of situations where hinges are way more advantageous than pistons. Just give them a try. The lag isn't noticable in most cases... (in my experience at least)
@@oggi42gaming77 ya well my computer is terrible so ya I mean with the newest update it's going to be way better but rn it's terrible (I haven't checked it out on the test branch yet).
Thanks for your recent subscription Hatomix! I take your comment as a big compliment! To be honest: I hope to improve even further, but right now I don't even have the money for a new microphone... I'll have a look at your videos right now! I am sure they are great!
Sorry, I am not a native english speaker, can you help e out? What do you mean with luger? I googled it and only found a gun... how would I build a gun with this?
Ok, but what if you need to make something that extends less than 3 units? I don't think anybody's going to stop using pistons. Next time, maybe don't tell people to stop using [game element] in the title and you might not get a comment like mine.
You are right Elijah Brown. Maybe the title should say "Stop using pistons if you need to extend something more than 5 blocks and want to save on construction kits" ;) Guess you need some kind of clickbait nowadays... Pistons are definitely more compact and easy to use. I won't stop using them either, haha
The speed of motion is not linear, that is right. If this becomes a problem you can build a longer arm that does not fully extend. That way the speed becomes more even.
It's funny that before pistons existed, this was pretty much the best way to do linear motion.
I only got into SM after the survival update but I heard of those "dark times" 😁
It was the same in Space Engineers... that's where my inspiration came from.
I know this idea isn't new but all the advantages of hinges seem to be mostly forgotten in the SM community... hope to see a comeback.
If you build something with hinges please let me know. Looking forward to it.
While I did really like Bearing Pistons, you have to agree we're way past that era now and while yes, Piston as parts are rather expensive, they provide linear motion in the least amount of space, whilst with Bearing Pistons you have to give them lots of space to even extend
They both have their pros and cons in my opinion. I would definitely avoid bearing pistons in vehicles because like you said: Pistons are more compact. When it comes to stationary machines however the space requirement of the long pipes very often is not a problem at all. Some machines and certain motions aren't even possible with pistons. Imagine something like a robot arm for example. Have a look at the swinging saw in my video. It pivots around it's center point and can fully extend to both sides without changing the orientation of the arm's end. This kind of movement can't be reproduced just with pistons. So while I definitely see your point I am still convinced bearing pistons or hinges do have a lot of underrated uses.
What if
we make bearing piston
but used there an actual piston?
Like super piston would come out?
@@RDfHk34 You mean like on a hydraulic crane in real life?
@@oggi42gaming77 Maybe kinda like this
Yesterday i made a brawling cration using piston glitches ( which i found in other creation and they were not helpful)
by "lots of space" you mean a height of D/2 and a length of D
I just purchased Scrap Mechanic this week after spending 8 months in Trailmakers. Your videos break down the usages and possibilities of the in game mechanics down perfectly. Well done videos all around.
What a kind compliment! Thank you The shorto. I am thinking about trying out trailmakers myself. A lot of SM player's seem to like it a lot. The thing is I am more into machines than vehicles...
@@oggi42gaming77 I'm more of a vehicle guys so I was drawn to Trailmakers. I DO find this game sis so much more robust when it comes to making functioning mechanisms though!
These are nice but, pistons are less lag intensive, after a certain amount, pistons outweigh hinges, though they do have weaker outputs. They do have uses, mainly in the carrying department, since their load capacity is much higher. They have uses, but there's still things that benefit from pistons more, due to size, having the hinge can be a detriment at times due to size, but if it's not an issue of size, then go right ahead, they are great for distance for cheap.
That's a good summary of the pros and cons
I just found this video and saved my day after being raided by an army of Tapebots leaded by 3 Farmbots. Thanks, mate!
Ooooh, this could make for a very neat steampunk style base.
There needs to be taller terrain in survival, a mountain range with deep valley for example.
Anyone else remember the windmill in "Ocarina of time"?
I feel old seeing this video because i remember Scrap Mechanic old days where pistons did not exist and this was the only way to generate that type of motion... interesting it is that i still use that method in some builds, but is funny to see that some people didnt know... good video :3
it wasn't the only motion, there was also another one to make sliding doors, which they where put on a long suspension with a thruster pushing it to open
@@LeSeigneurPanda Well.. that's true in fact, but in early stages of the game suspensions caused so much lag that almost nobody used that method, but yeah... technically speaking you are right and it was really useful in some cases
Sometimes it can be helpful to unburry old knowledge ;)
i remember making " piston" doors and elevators like that,good ol scrap mechanic
292 Hours, Never even thought about it :) Even we have much better pistons now I will definitely use this because it just look cool - he said after 1 year LOL
Ich finde es irgendwie lustig, dass alle als die Pistons raus kamen von diesen Scheren Mechanismen weg gegangen sind und du es jetzt wiederum verwendest, um component kits zu sparen!
Es wundert mich, dass da nicht schon mehr leute drauf gekommen sind.
Cooles Video, mach weiter so!
English:
I find it kind of funny that when the pistons came out everyone went away from that scissor mechanism and now you're using it again to save on component kits!
I'm surprised more people haven't figured it out.
Danke für die netten Worte Pixo Bit. Genau das gleiche habe ich mich auch gefragt. Das war einer der Gründe weshalb ich diesen Channel gestartet habe. Mich interessiert der Austausch und der Dialog mit anderen Spielern wie dir auf diesem Wege. Ich versuche jede Woche etwas hochzuladen, leider kam mir in letzter Zeit viel dazwischen, aber ansonsten werde ich weiter machen wie bisher :) Danke dir!
it's actually useful only as decoration since 3 bearings are very unstable compared to 1 piston. and i don't think it's cheaper in most cases because low level controller can't handle heavy things and to upgrade controller to max you will need more kits than you would need to upgrade piston. and you probably don't want to have empty slots in your high level controllers. also rails is cool idea but i don't think you will always have room for building it. the same is for bending part of hinges.
anyway thank you for these cool ideas. your prototypes that uses this mechanism are really good.
This was so helpful, I was just farming kits for a package lift, now I only need a few
I'm so glad the video was helpful to you! Now you can spend those component kits on something more useful
I dont have SM but i watch a lot of the game, honestly man I'm subbing cause you deserve it
Your vids are very nicely made keep up the good work ^-^
Wow! Thank you so much Plagued_1! Hope I can give you more videos soon... I am working on multiple projects right now but none of them are quite finished yet. Feels a bit like Scrap Mechanic research. You never know when you hit the next breakthrough.
I was just thinking about using something like this to upgrade my farming so this was helpful
This just made the game more fun to play
What a nice thing to hear GreyCore :)
On lower end pc'c or in worlds that have a lot going on, you can use 3 lag inducing bearings instead of 1 lag inducing piston to do the same job for triple the lag! Plus it takes up multiple times the space.
My pc is six years old and my most complex machine, the automated watering machine, is doing fine. Pistons are easier to setup and take up less space but they come at a cost. It never hurts to know the alternative ;)
@@oggi42gaming77 I totally agree. My argument is not against the use of this, especially early game. It's more to point out the benifits of pistons once they become more viable.
thank you so much for the creative ideas and knowledge of the game. youre a beast!
an to add to it, survival is laggier than creative, so the less bearings you use, the better, and pistons take up less space
Good points you mention here kiro. In hindsight "Stop using pistons" might have been a misleading message here...
But I go over some advantages that are unique to hinges in the video...
For example the ability to create an extendable arm that is controllable with W/S...
I know it's possible with pistons too, but you need to add a lot of logic and it's doing this annoying sound because you are constanly switching two pistons between on and off
You saved me a lot of headache
Always happy to help
i dont get the point of this video, the entire point of the devs adding pistons is so we didnt have to use alot of bearings and controllers, creating less lag
i find it funny that u dont mention how quickly it takes up and extreme amount of space
Yes, this video isn't really a fair comparrisson between hinges and pistons. I really wanted to point out the possibilities and advantages here.
I sure do love inverse kinematics
I wish I knew how inverse kinematics work... maybe I could do more robot arms in Scrap mechanic. I tried to learn from a few videos but didn't find good course. Can you recommend something?
What about making a scissor pattern to decrease space usage
I tried that and it's definitely possible. However, the count of moving parts very close to each other goes up by a lot resulting in a lot of lag unfortunately...
In my opinion the disadvantages overweigh here...
But I love the way they look :)
Awesome video man, keep up the great work!
Thanks a lot. I'll do my very best!
4:59: "woodcutting vehicle"
me who was wondering how to cut tress with a drill: 🗿🗿🗿
3:46
looks like the geneva mechanism
Which of the machines do you mean? I used something similar to the geneva drive in my automated watering machine to drive the sled...
@@oggi42gaming77 the rod that rotates to fit in the slots and stops for a bit for the water pump to waterr the soir and then it goes into the next slot. Its a bit similar to how the geneva mechanism works
The problem with hinges is it takes way more space
That is true. This is a problem on vehicles for sure. But for stationary machines I prefer them. I also like the fact that there is this cheaper solution to my problem that also comes with new problems to solve... in the end SM is about problem solving isn't it?
I am gonna tell you
This is briliant
But i will keep using pistons and bods
My creations are already messy in connection and you suggest instead of having 1 thing to have 3?
Haha! I know what you mean :) It's definitely a struggle to fit hinges into compact creations...
Consider sissor type extension with this.🤔🤔
It would be this a perfect thing to the world of kAN and Kosmo, but its too late that they already ended that series
Maybe they let me play with them some day, haha :) Starting a brand new series in a world full of controller powered hinges...
do you see how much space you system takes up
I do. But to me exposed moving parts look fun and interesting. I don't mind finding ways to build around them. But yes: Space seems to be the biggest argument against hinges.
is it stronger then a piston? cause it would be actually useful if it is stronger
Edit: and unlike pistons its length is controllable
Good question... haven't tested it so far. It will probably vary depending on the weight of the arm and it's position...
And yes: I love the ability to control the length
4:21 вроде простая конструкция, но как же черт было гениально сделать чтобы ее можно ее можно было контолируемо двигать при помощи w и s
does it work with engines?
the one problem: hinges take up way more space
I know :) But they are fun and look steam-punky, haha
but then you have to make space for the closed hinge.
Yes you do. Thats where pistons shine: They are way more compact. But for the examples shown in the video the space requirement hasn't been a problem for me.
The thing abot this tho it is that they take a lot more space. Also one thing, r u italian?
I know... pistons are definitely more compact. I am from germany
@@oggi42gaming77 nice, you have that european accent, btw i am from italy
@@craz2580 Welcome to the channel Craz 25 :)
But the cost is important controllers take batteries while pistons don't need anything but a switch
They don't need batteries yet. Maybe they do after the update, but we don't know that yet...
And if they make controllers need batteries in the future they will most likely make pistons need batteries too
the cost is important indeed, bearings are much cheaper then pistons ... controllers dont take/need batteries .
Bro the reason people are using pistons is because too many bearings will lag your game
Hey Lloyd, thanks for your comment. You are definitely not wrong about that. But in my experience there are a lot of situations where hinges are way more advantageous than pistons. Just give them a try. The lag isn't noticable in most cases... (in my experience at least)
@@oggi42gaming77 ya well my computer is terrible so ya I mean with the newest update it's going to be way better but rn it's terrible (I haven't checked it out on the test branch yet).
but the pipe aren't compact
It's an alternative solution. It has it's pros and cons. Miniaturization isn't key to everything
Seems a little bit weird to see a channel that has less subscribers than yourself but makes much better videos 😅
Thanks for your recent subscription Hatomix! I take your comment as a big compliment! To be honest: I hope to improve even further, but right now I don't even have the money for a new microphone...
I'll have a look at your videos right now! I am sure they are great!
Takes up more space and to many bearings = lag
I'll stick with pistons
That's totally fine ;) I see hinges are not for everyone
Make a luger with this
Sorry, I am not a native english speaker, can you help e out? What do you mean with luger? I googled it and only found a gun... how would I build a gun with this?
Are u italian??? Because oggi it's italin
Nope, I am german. Oggi means today or now in italian, right? I got the name Oggi from that old cartoon...
life changer!
Ok, but what if you need to make something that extends less than 3 units? I don't think anybody's going to stop using pistons.
Next time, maybe don't tell people to stop using [game element] in the title and you might not get a comment like mine.
You are right Elijah Brown. Maybe the title should say "Stop using pistons if you need to extend something more than 5 blocks and want to save on construction kits" ;) Guess you need some kind of clickbait nowadays...
Pistons are definitely more compact and easy to use. I won't stop using them either, haha
7:40 haha bepis
They are not linear
The speed of motion is not linear, that is right. If this becomes a problem you can build a longer arm that does not fully extend. That way the speed becomes more even.