I just bought my first EUC, an S18, earlier this week, got one of the second batch models. The range is decent enough, and the suspension just feels awesome. I live in a small town in NorCal, with a ton of hilly, neglected roads, not a lot of sidewalks, and some off-road shortcuts here and there. Today I felt confident enough to take it around town. And it was the most fun I've had exploring my town in the many years I've lived here. It handled EVERYTHING I threw at it, and I'm not even that great a rider yet. I just wanted to keep going, but my legs were getting shaky, the weather was starting to turn, and my parents needed me for a favor. Seeing your verdict, as well as Wrong Way's recent videos about how he maybe misjudged the S18 at first, I'm feeling even more confident in my decision. Plus it seems a lot of V11 owners are reporting some issues. But yeah, once you get it dialed in, the suspension is a joy. So much fun to take off-road. I just love this thing. I got home an hour ago and I'm still smiling about how much fun I had. Can't wait to take it everywhere.
I was struggling to pick s18 or v11 before, after watching the braking part, I pick the v11 right the way, secondly the headlight is way better in the v11 since I have to ride at night most of the time. Thx for the great video.
I didn’t get that from the accent at all. I thought he was supposed to be one of the aliens from the famous Star Wars bar scene. 😜 And the hat is wrong. That’s not a British flat cap.
I think this video answers a slightly different question: "Which wheel has the best suspension?" as opposed to "Which suspension wheel is the best EUC?". And it does appear that the type of suspension system that the S18 uses provides a great ride and one with fewer hassles. At the time I was going to buy an S18 I didn't (yet) have a long range wheel so I got a Sherman instead. Now that I have a small (14D), medium (16X) and large (Sherman) wheel, I'd be less reluctant to get the S18 now because I'd see it as a specialty wheel and NOT my daily driver. This video helped to put my personal needs in perspective. Good job.
@@shoakman I have larger wheels because they have bigger battery packs and therefore greater range. I ride with other people for more than 60 miles at a time and if charging isn't an options you need a Sherman or wheel with a huge pack to complete the trip The EX is currently the only suspension wheel with a high end range.
For the V11 owners. Dirt bike front ends came with rubber protectors for the bottom of the fork air valve. There should be a match available to fit your fork slider/leg.
@@irkedoff thanks, beginning was not easy with the weight for first two days. But slowly building up more confidence and riding now freely around. As a new EUC rider I have to say its addictive to ride. Looking for every opportunity even when its cold outside. Normally would never go in very cold weather but bought some thermal clothing and its fine.
Waiting for the next generation S18 to hopefully have a bigger battery before buying one. Strange thing is that Duf actually got more range than the V11 in his testing. Great vid, look forward to the next ones, thanks.
@@evXNYC Yes, think 2k Wh would be ideal for range. Elon Musk was talking about them making a major breakthrough with battery technology that increases energy density. A new shingled spiral design of Tesla’s lithium-ion battery will transform the way energy can be stored and charged within a lithium-ion battery, offering five-times more energy, a 16 per cent increase in range and 500 per cent more power. Here's a link to one article covering the story: www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/elon-musk-tesla-battery-day-power-model-s-b537222.html
@@PisarencoGh Ok, seems that is the reason why the S18 went further then. Would be great if KingSong could put in more batteries into the S18. KS used to make EUCs with a seat on top. Maybe they could place the extra batteries on the top of the wheel where the seat used to be. Veteran have managed to cram in 3200Wh. Thanks
I was already filling my order form for Kingsong but after I saw em card tricks, I remembered my "Gotway 4life" tattoo on my forehead. Good rundown. Personally gonna wait to see how the suspension scene on EUC goes on. Would not be too surprised to see new product to this scene already by 2021 summer. It is hard to believe how many wheels these companies push out.
Totally agree. S18 is great. Kingsong were really good to me too, basically replaced the whole thing after I ruined it after a week (in a lake). They even took extra time and care to correct parts I called out as potential issues. They took the warrenty claim over internally after my Chinese reseller failed. Amazing. I got mine up and running again and couldn't be happier. Range is easily enough for what it's built for :), and close to v11 anyway. I'll probably never get to try an EX, but can't imagine it being easy on an off-road trail. Gz kingsong, I know winning an evx award must be like an Oscar to you. :D haha
Hi Mickey, great video! It's good that you went over the pluses and minuses of each wheel but I agree with you from a purist standpoint the S18 appears to have the best suspension and be the best suspension wheel. Mine just hit port the other day and I'm eagerly awaiting its arrival. For longer rides I'll be using my 16X and the S18 is a perfect complement to it.
oh nice you made a good video again, good points from start to finish. I think you described the wheels very well and I had the same experience with them.
Cool! I come from Poland, I don't know English, but the Google translator did the trick. A very helpful video. Very nicely done. Thank you :) I subscribe because it's worth it :) I recommend it :)
Such a great comparison! Thanks Mickey, I know a lot of people are dying for more comparative content between these wheels. Suspension is a very exciting development! I think it's real neat that each manufacturer went such different directions. Just nitpicking here, but the EX has a progressive curve too. By nature, air pistons have a progressive force vs travel curve (vs a linear coil spring shock). NERD ALERT! More on air shocks: the volume of the positive air chamber will affect how progressive the curve is - the smaller the volume, the more progressive and vice versa, larger volume, more linear. The negative chamber does a couple things: one is assist the compression of the shock for an initial portion of the travel (against friction inherent in the seals and such, that would not be present on a coil spring shock). The other thing a negative chamber can help with is provide some top-out cushioning. The volume of the negative air chamber will affect how much of the travel it will assist against friction - larger will assist for a longer portion of a travel, leading to a more plush feeling shock. It's a double-edged sword though, since a larger negative chamber also means the the negative chamber is less progressive, and will provide less top-out cushion. Sorry for nerding out so much! I've been tinkering a ton with my S18 and different shocks and stuff. I have a couple other videos in my todo list, but I'm definitely thinking about a super nerdy S18 video, too =]
Yaaaaas this is definitely the truth! Been on my Kingsong S18 since the beginning and haven't had any problems whatsoever 😆 it's definitely perfect for my riding style. Ripping the streets of Washington State right huurrr
Oh wow I'm actually early. One thing that really bothered me with this video: you showed the great side view of acceleration and braking on the EX, but not how long the distance actually was. Like, markings on the ground and going with different speeds and, more important, a comparison to a less powerful wheel. But as always, really great production level, Musik choice and footage
I completely agree with you but like you say its built for fun not so much practical but can still be used for practical uses. But I'm still new and iv only hit 20mph so far so I'm probably not the best person too ask lol But good fun and the next thing I'm yet to practice now is riding backwards wish me luck lol
I love my s18! Using it has been the most fun ive had on an euc as it enables you too do and try more stuff in regards too offroading & tricks. Tried the ex and v11 a short bit and didn't like the height. While the ex just felt untrustworthy with the pedal dip i was experiencing on it. Great vid though, enjoyed the way you compared the three wheels.
@@evXNYC it really is though. I cant wait to see what v2 will look like and offer. Till then, I plan to merge an s18 with RS torque parts once I can get my hands on them.
@@evXNYC once I get the parts, ill definitely make a video on the mod process. It may be a little while before I can get ahold of what I need though. Will keep you posted 🤙
Thumbs up for the brake test! Any regular rider should learn to "sit" for braking and that's possible without any special pads in particular with larger pedals. Out of my head I can remember at least two TH-cam clips showing this.
With the S18, King Song seemed to copy the geometry and suspension setup from a trail mountain bike. Wondering if you could use an standard Fox or Rockshox setup
For my riding I disagree with your suspension choice, I would prefer the V11 but the bearing issues are scaring me away from it. I don't like Gotway's suspension design but sounds like a solid wheel otherwise.
First generations of V11 had a smoother and faster to transfer heat type of bearing, but if left wet, they make a grinding noise unless lubricated. Newer V11 are provided with rubber sealed bearings. So it depends of what V11 you have. I mess a lot with my vehicles and have no issues with lubricating bearings but understand why Inmotion decided to change them. To me a solid built (not as a toy) and using good LG battery cells are way more important characteristics when choosing an EUC on the expensive range.
Which one should i buy V11, S18 or MSP Ht? I am gonna do MTB trail riding, and city cruising. no high jumps. Would like to have juice for passing and not be the last kid on the block in terms of speed against other EUCs. Thanks , for the advice, great videos.
@@lawlaxinaakayourfavorite Still a newbie, loving the MSX... But I'm curious would you reconsider if the S18 had better range, or is suspension just not doing it for you ?
@@ZuberB4 the shell is pretty, but its too fragile. Not enough torque. The body shape can give you bad speed wobble when braking. The awkward body shape doesnt allow for an optimal power/jump pad setup. Theres a lot of stuff thats been overlooked when designing a wheel for technical riding
I'm only on my 3rd (V8 to V10 to V11). The V11 is hard for me to mount and go on from any non-flat pavement I think because of the weight compared to my others. Given that, I don't want an even heavier wheel.
@@evXNYC it seems you (as many others) do not know that the height of the pedals can be adjusted on the V11. Lol this is one of the features that got me in to it. Also, you can adjust it between torque/speed ratios, no need to have several EUCs when you have one that can be adjusted in so many ways.
@@gpsanino I assume the torque and speed can be adjusted in the app? I will look into it, so thanks. I have two EUCs for now because the V10 is small for transportation (bus, subway, Uber). Also, if one is being serviced, the other can be used.
I bought the V11 as my first euc-never even ridden one before. Mounting and getting off was very frustrating until I let all the air out of the bottom suspension and gradually added it back as my skill improved. Currently riding 60/60 and only bottom out (softly) on 20% of hard bumps. Think I’ll go 60/80 and see how that goes. I’m speaking of top suspension and bottom suspension.
I think the GotWay MSP could be great for ya. It’s a wheel you can really grow into. They make 2 versions. High torque or high speed. Go with speed here in nyc.
Never bought Kingsong before, but I came to the same conclusion months ago when the reviews were coming out. If you're buying a wheel purely for suspension then the S18 is undoubtedly the best option. However if you're buying a wheel and you're more concerned about power and range and just want to smooth out the bumps then you would pick other options. I decided to get an S18 because I want that pure suspension experience.
Thanks for the video and insights! I began loving the S18 for its amazing aesthetics and what looked to be the best suspension. I then watched v11 videos and thought that was the better wheel. I then watched the EX and thought maybe that would work. I kinda went the same way as you and think the S18 is the suspension wheel I would like to get for the fun factor and having something very different from my Nikola. For BAESK8 group rides in San Francisco I can take my Nikola and may pick-up a Sherman next year.
@@evXNYC Ah ha. Thank you. I live in an area with very few flat areaa to ride. I have to go 21kms and it rains a lot. No fancy riding tricks. A straight commutw to the bus. Any recommendations, please?
I choose v11, where as s18 is kool looking but not complete, some parts fell off near the knee area. V11 shud have a better side barrier then plastic. I just got both. No more headaches lol.
Interesting video but is it good to get a suspension wheel at all? The owners of both the S18 and V11 always seem to be complaining of problems while the EX is too new to get any reliability feedback but having a hollow motor suggests the EX is going to have issues in the future with the bearings. It would also be interesting to have some comparison to how much better suspension is compared to current wheels with the larger 3" width tyres which use the tyre for a little "suspension". Maybe attaching a device to measure bumps on a standard route? Like Le says below the acceleration and braking test isn't that useful as it stands but having a simple timed run from standing start up to a brick wall 30m away would give a simple number that could be compared to other wheels. It's a thought anyway.
I just got my S18 three days ago, and did my first range test tonight. Very disappointed :( i only got 20.2 miles on a trail where my KS 18XL and KS 16X both got ~42 miles. And already put a dent in my "adjustable" pedals going up a small ramped curb, making them no longer adjustable. I really wanted to love this wheel, but :( I think the V11 is the winner for me.
S18 got the suspension I like but doesn't tick any other boxes. V11 looks like a very nice commuter for someone not me. The EX price tag is way to high and it doesn't impress me enough to consider it over the RS I bought as my first. 2021 is the year I got into this EUC riding
Other thing S18 has going for it is due to KingSong's superior battery management, it's real world range is actually only slightly behind the V11 and in some cases, better.
The small battery in the S18 helps with keeping the weight low. Lots of plastic parts keeps the weight down. So the S18 was definitely build for jumping. I also think the S18 is not build for heavy people. I feel the S18 deserves a better battery (not bigger) and stronger motor (not bigger). The V11 is definitely a city wheel. Great for night rides with that headlight. And the V11 is useable in lots of situations. The Ex is build like a tank. Except for the suspension part. The suspension looks very fragile. The hulking motor will definitely help bigger guys. But the Ex itself is just too heavy and not very nimble for lighter people. This limits its use. I am heavy. Part of it is my big strong lower body. So the Ex should be a good match for me. Quality wise...each wheel has its own shortcomings. I hope the second revision of these suspension wheels will fix a lot of these problems.
Great video! I am surprised at how close the range is between the s18 and v11. Dufs latest range test on the s18 also concluded for me that the it is the best suspension wheel of 2020.
KS S18 has design and suspension, and can be taken on a bus or airplane, which is everything an EUC needs. Anything else is but useless fad, which any motorcycle or even a bicycle brings you a thousandfold for a comparable price.
@@evXNYC - For all regions, your checked bag allowance is: Dimension: 62 in / 158 cm. Weight: 50 lbs / 23 kgs. For First / Business, weight is 70 lbs / 32 kgs. -- King Song S18 Specifications: Dimensions: 22” H x 21” W x 8”= 51" Weight: ~48lbs. Happy now? Lol
@@evXNYC - You are ruining my day, mate. But how about this... Newly placed preorders will be shipping out by above SHIP DATE, however air shipping will be available if you'd like to decrease your wait time. You will receive an email with more details once your wheel is ready to ship. :)
So S18 awesome suspension/average wheel not a good commuter V11 very good suspension/ very good range commuter wheel EX has suspension/ beast of a wheel...you can sell your car My pic, EX, V11, S18
Dear evX, suspension maybe but I disagree with your final thoughts because you considered just "some" of the rest of the design that is needed for a great experience with suspension. How good can be an off-road suspension when is mounted over an EUC with a common axle motor? I mean, how long can it last if you really make use of it as an off-road vehicle? You may jump all you want but using a generic axle weakened by holes for the cables in one side, does not sound a great to me. Material fatigue will show up eventually, unless used only in the city and casual dirt trails (for which the suspension is no longer needed much). Great suspension without an overall design that fits it, is not for me, specially at the high prices of these vehicles. The KS18S does not even have a cooling fan (forced cooling system) to be able to face serious off-roading. As you said, it is up to the type of use. I love off-roading (the real deal, not just off-street in dirt trails) and thus, I prefer a suspension that is protected (not exposed as the KS18S), power when needed, good autonomy (battery vs motor efficiency), redundancy wherever possible, I need an active cooling system and of course an improved axle system that can deal with the tricks I do with the suspension. IMO, the V11 is the winner and by far. It is not build as a toy, I can adjust it also for the city, even the height of the pedals and check again its motor power... you mentioned its "nominal" power, not the level you used when braking hard (on that use, the V11 can be on the 5000W). For your test when braking, I would rather have compared the distance to brake at the same speed instead of the time (more useful to understand why we SHOULD NOT GO FAST in an EUC). "Emergency braking distance" is top in my list of priorities when choosing an EUC or any vehicle. I am so thankful of you taking the "braking capability" in consideration. Not many youtubers do that. Most just compare EUCs by their battery capacity and max speed (listed on the paper). Instead you added a more mature approach (safety). Thanks for that. IMO, the EX only for the city, comfortable for long range at moderated speed (to be safe due to its braking limitations) despite personally I would never buy an EUC with "panasonic" battery cells glued with double sided tape. The KS18S as a fun EUC, for short trips on dirt trails or commuting in not so great roads (as in my country). For real Off-Road as well as the best multipurpose EUC, the V11 is the clear winner when checking all the design.
Funny how this what I mentioned and you EvX said to me on that v11 live dissamebly video at alien rides, "v11 is better period". Meanwhile I was like people open your dam eyes... S18 is on top, it's better designed, better thoughts. Only draw back the little battery which will likely be coremrected at some point or at least have 2 versions. And the linkage, yah Kingston will likely tune that as well or you can do it yourself. Anyway, "I told you".
I just bought my first EUC, an S18, earlier this week, got one of the second batch models. The range is decent enough, and the suspension just feels awesome. I live in a small town in NorCal, with a ton of hilly, neglected roads, not a lot of sidewalks, and some off-road shortcuts here and there.
Today I felt confident enough to take it around town. And it was the most fun I've had exploring my town in the many years I've lived here. It handled EVERYTHING I threw at it, and I'm not even that great a rider yet. I just wanted to keep going, but my legs were getting shaky, the weather was starting to turn, and my parents needed me for a favor.
Seeing your verdict, as well as Wrong Way's recent videos about how he maybe misjudged the S18 at first, I'm feeling even more confident in my decision. Plus it seems a lot of V11 owners are reporting some issues. But yeah, once you get it dialed in, the suspension is a joy. So much fun to take off-road. I just love this thing. I got home an hour ago and I'm still smiling about how much fun I had. Can't wait to take it everywhere.
Dude you make the best EUC vids. Very professional, Very informative. Thx man - Appreciated
First moves on these products might run into some QC problems - so wait a bit.
I was struggling to pick s18 or v11 before, after watching the braking part, I pick the v11 right the way, secondly the headlight is way better in the v11 since I have to ride at night most of the time. Thx for the great video.
‘Peaky Blinders’ has come to EUCs 🤣 I love it!!! Another great video and in- depth comparison 👍🏾
Obviously I’m a huge fan lol
I didn’t get that from the accent at all. I thought he was supposed to be one of the aliens from the famous Star Wars bar scene. 😜
And the hat is wrong. That’s not a British flat cap.
My parents are from Ireland. I only have Irish hats. 😎
@@evXNYC Well I hope you at least took the effort to sew razor blades in to the brim?
@@JonS did you not see me Instagram stories the other day?
Great rundown and information on these wheels! So many options and I love that. Thanks for the video!
Anytime ;)
I think this video answers a slightly different question: "Which wheel has the best suspension?" as opposed to "Which suspension wheel is the best EUC?". And it does appear that the type of suspension system that the S18 uses provides a great ride and one with fewer hassles. At the time I was going to buy an S18 I didn't (yet) have a long range wheel so I got a Sherman instead. Now that I have a small (14D), medium (16X) and large (Sherman) wheel, I'd be less reluctant to get the S18 now because I'd see it as a specialty wheel and NOT my daily driver. This video helped to put my personal needs in perspective. Good job.
I have a 14D! Are there any reasons you'd pick to choose a large wheel over the medium one? Or vice versa?
@@shoakman I have larger wheels because they have bigger battery packs and therefore greater range. I ride with other people for more than 60 miles at a time and if charging isn't an options you need a Sherman or wheel with a huge pack to complete the trip The EX is currently the only suspension wheel with a high end range.
For the V11 owners. Dirt bike front ends came with rubber protectors for the bottom of the fork air valve. There should be a match available to fit your fork slider/leg.
If S18 had little bit bigger battery like v11 I would have chosen the S18. Just got the V11 last week.
@@irkedoff thanks, beginning was not easy with the weight for first two days. But slowly building up more confidence and riding now freely around. As a new EUC rider I have to say its addictive to ride. Looking for every opportunity even when its cold outside. Normally would never go in very cold weather but bought some thermal clothing and its fine.
Agreed. 3000 miles on a S18. Liked it better than my V11
Because of the breaking, I'm go with the V11
Thanks for the review!
Great video
Your videos are really high quality. I appreciate your hard work!
I do have to admit I am surprised with your No.1 pick but do appreciate your reasoning.
Thx!
Waiting for the next generation S18 to hopefully have a bigger battery before buying one.
Strange thing is that Duf actually got more range than the V11 in his testing.
Great vid, look forward to the next ones, thanks.
I think s18 would be great with 2k Wh of batt, but only if battery tech advances to a point to keep the weight the same as it is now.
@@evXNYC Yes, think 2k Wh would be ideal for range. Elon Musk was talking about them making a major breakthrough with battery technology that increases energy density.
A new shingled spiral design of Tesla’s lithium-ion battery will transform the way energy can be stored and charged within a lithium-ion battery, offering five-times more energy, a 16 per cent increase in range and 500 per cent more power.
Here's a link to one article covering the story:
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/elon-musk-tesla-battery-day-power-model-s-b537222.html
Is not strange. Kingsong limits the power gave battery so you could not push the wheel. This way you get bigger range, but with slower speed.
@@PisarencoGh Ok, seems that is the reason why the S18 went further then. Would be great if KingSong could put in more batteries into the S18.
KS used to make EUCs with a seat on top. Maybe they could place the extra batteries on the top of the wheel where the seat used to be.
Veteran have managed to cram in 3200Wh.
Thanks
I was already filling my order form for Kingsong but after I saw em card tricks, I remembered my "Gotway 4life" tattoo on my forehead. Good rundown. Personally gonna wait to see how the suspension scene on EUC goes on. Would not be too surprised to see new product to this scene already by 2021 summer. It is hard to believe how many wheels these companies push out.
Great vid 👍
I was surprised by your choice. Was sure you were going to pick the V11.
Cheers
Great review man.
Thx bud
@@evXNYC most def man
this video made me feel even better on my S18🥰
Totally agree. S18 is great. Kingsong were really good to me too, basically replaced the whole thing after I ruined it after a week (in a lake). They even took extra time and care to correct parts I called out as potential issues. They took the warrenty claim over internally after my Chinese reseller failed. Amazing. I got mine up and running again and couldn't be happier. Range is easily enough for what it's built for :), and close to v11 anyway. I'll probably never get to try an EX, but can't imagine it being easy on an off-road trail. Gz kingsong, I know winning an evx award must be like an Oscar to you. :D haha
Hi Mickey, great video! It's good that you went over the pluses and minuses of each wheel but I agree with you from a purist standpoint the S18 appears to have the best suspension and be the best suspension wheel. Mine just hit port the other day and I'm eagerly awaiting its arrival. For longer rides I'll be using my 16X and the S18 is a perfect complement to it.
oh nice you made a good video again, good points from start to finish. I think you described the wheels very well and I had the same experience with them.
Most Important answer we need to know is actually what wheel did Law Pick? He is the real Dirt Trail Rider here.
Not the s18
@@evXNYC what did he picked then?
Cool! I come from Poland, I don't know English, but the Google translator did the trick. A very helpful video. Very nicely done. Thank you :) I subscribe because it's worth it :) I recommend it :)
Such a great comparison! Thanks Mickey, I know a lot of people are dying for more comparative content between these wheels. Suspension is a very exciting development! I think it's real neat that each manufacturer went such different directions.
Just nitpicking here, but the EX has a progressive curve too. By nature, air pistons have a progressive force vs travel curve (vs a linear coil spring shock).
NERD ALERT! More on air shocks: the volume of the positive air chamber will affect how progressive the curve is - the smaller the volume, the more progressive and vice versa, larger volume, more linear. The negative chamber does a couple things: one is assist the compression of the shock for an initial portion of the travel (against friction inherent in the seals and such, that would not be present on a coil spring shock). The other thing a negative chamber can help with is provide some top-out cushioning. The volume of the negative air chamber will affect how much of the travel it will assist against friction - larger will assist for a longer portion of a travel, leading to a more plush feeling shock. It's a double-edged sword though, since a larger negative chamber also means the the negative chamber is less progressive, and will provide less top-out cushion.
Sorry for nerding out so much! I've been tinkering a ton with my S18 and different shocks and stuff. I have a couple other videos in my todo list, but I'm definitely thinking about a super nerdy S18 video, too =]
Yaaaaas this is definitely the truth! Been on my Kingsong S18 since the beginning and haven't had any problems whatsoever 😆 it's definitely perfect for my riding style. Ripping the streets of Washington State right huurrr
Noiiiice!
Interesting pick for the winner. But in the end it’s a very logical choice when only considering suspension.
Great video thx mic
CONTROVERSIAL!!!!
Oh wow I'm actually early. One thing that really bothered me with this video: you showed the great side view of acceleration and braking on the EX, but not how long the distance actually was. Like, markings on the ground and going with different speeds and, more important, a comparison to a less powerful wheel. But as always, really great production level, Musik choice and footage
Awesome comparison video! And I enjoyed the little magic show at the end as well :D
I completely agree with you but like you say its built for fun not so much practical but can still be used for practical uses.
But I'm still new and iv only hit 20mph so far so I'm probably not the best person too ask lol
But good fun and the next thing I'm yet to practice now is riding backwards wish me luck lol
I love my s18! Using it has been the most fun ive had on an euc as it enables you too do and try more stuff in regards too offroading & tricks.
Tried the ex and v11 a short bit and didn't like the height. While the ex just felt untrustworthy with the pedal dip i was experiencing on it.
Great vid though, enjoyed the way you compared the three wheels.
Glad you dig it!! S18 is upper fun!
@@evXNYC it really is though. I cant wait to see what v2 will look like and offer.
Till then, I plan to merge an s18 with RS torque parts once I can get my hands on them.
Please make vid about that!
@@evXNYC once I get the parts, ill definitely make a video on the mod process. It may be a little while before I can get ahold of what I need though. Will keep you posted 🤙
@@addictedtowatts8756 awesome! Can’t wait to see this!!
I disagree, and there's a super obvious reason that Mickey totally missed. What is it? Well stayed tuned for my video!! LOL *evil laugh
ETA?
Clout chasing? Lmao
Which is best? The one you own!
truth
I agree but also would say "the one that fits your needs".
What S 18 needed. Enclosed suspension for more battery space and 4mm wider to accommodate knobby tire.
Man for sure I thought you were gonna say the v11 lol just bc you said the braking of the s18 was not good lol
I don't agree with the conclusion, V11 is the obvious winner but overall great video!
Thumbs up for the brake test! Any regular rider should learn to "sit" for braking and that's possible without any special pads in particular with larger pedals. Out of my head I can remember at least two TH-cam clips showing this.
Great video. I agree 100% but haven’t tried the EX... I feel like I don’t need to try to know that it’s not going to have the best suspension.
I have both V11 and S18. 100% agree S18 is the superior suspension by far
With the S18, King Song seemed to copy the geometry and suspension setup from a trail mountain bike. Wondering if you could use an standard Fox or Rockshox setup
For my riding I disagree with your suspension choice, I would prefer the V11 but the bearing issues are scaring me away from it. I don't like Gotway's suspension design but sounds like a solid wheel otherwise.
what type of issues does the v11 have? i was thinking about getting one now im confused.
First generations of V11 had a smoother and faster to transfer heat type of bearing, but if left wet, they make a grinding noise unless lubricated. Newer V11 are provided with rubber sealed bearings. So it depends of what V11 you have. I mess a lot with my vehicles and have no issues with lubricating bearings but understand why Inmotion decided to change them. To me a solid built (not as a toy) and using good LG battery cells are way more important characteristics when choosing an EUC on the expensive range.
Which one should i buy V11, S18 or MSP Ht? I am gonna do MTB trail riding, and city cruising. no high jumps. Would like to have juice for passing and not be the last kid on the block in terms of speed against other EUCs. Thanks , for the advice, great videos.
Yeah buddy! Great stuff!
Law you are the real dirt trail rider here, what was your wheel of choice?
His choice is the one he rides... the RS.
@@EUCRolling rs or msp lol
@@lawlaxinaakayourfavorite Still a newbie, loving the MSX... But I'm curious would you reconsider if the S18 had better range, or is suspension just not doing it for you ?
@@ZuberB4 the shell is pretty, but its too fragile. Not enough torque. The body shape can give you bad speed wobble when braking. The awkward body shape doesnt allow for an optimal power/jump pad setup. Theres a lot of stuff thats been overlooked when designing a wheel for technical riding
I'm only on my 3rd (V8 to V10 to V11). The V11 is hard for me to mount and go on from any non-flat pavement I think because of the weight compared to my others. Given that, I don't want an even heavier wheel.
Tbh the final v11 isn’t great. It’s too high. It’s not even the weight that’s the issue. Try a heavy, low, well balanced wheel. You’ll love it.
@@evXNYC it seems you (as many others) do not know that the height of the pedals can be adjusted on the V11. Lol this is one of the features that got me in to it. Also, you can adjust it between torque/speed ratios, no need to have several EUCs when you have one that can be adjusted in so many ways.
@@gpsanino I assume the torque and speed can be adjusted in the app? I will look into it, so thanks. I have two EUCs for now because the V10 is small for transportation (bus, subway, Uber). Also, if one is being serviced, the other can be used.
I bought the V11 as my first euc-never even ridden one before. Mounting and getting off was very frustrating until I let all the air out of the bottom suspension and gradually added it back as my skill improved. Currently riding 60/60 and only bottom out (softly) on 20% of hard bumps. Think I’ll go 60/80 and see how that goes. I’m speaking of top suspension and bottom suspension.
Just stumbled across your channel and really enjoy it.. which euc would you recommend for a beginner in nyc? Don’t mind spending for quality
I think the GotWay MSP could be great for ya. It’s a wheel you can really grow into. They make 2 versions. High torque or high speed. Go with speed here in nyc.
@@evXNYC thanks for the quick response. That’s actually the one I’ve been eyeing
@@irkedoff thanks for the heads up, Yeap I’m pretty much sold! Going to place my order for the gotway msp
Never bought Kingsong before, but I came to the same conclusion months ago when the reviews were coming out. If you're buying a wheel purely for suspension then the S18 is undoubtedly the best option. However if you're buying a wheel and you're more concerned about power and range and just want to smooth out the bumps then you would pick other options. I decided to get an S18 because I want that pure suspension experience.
Awesome 😎 thanks brother 🙏
Great content as always!
2000+Km on the S18. So far so good ) I also recommend to add some mods to the wheel ;)
Thanks for the video and insights! I began loving the S18 for its amazing aesthetics and what looked to be the best suspension. I then watched v11 videos and thought that was the better wheel. I then watched the EX and thought maybe that would work. I kinda went the same way as you and think the S18 is the suspension wheel I would like to get for the fun factor and having something very different from my Nikola. For BAESK8 group rides in San Francisco I can take my Nikola and may pick-up a Sherman next year.
Great to hear!
Was that in Quiet Waters???? Can you ride eucs there??
It was! I just rolled up and rode there, so… yes?
Can't wait to see the KS18XL
Is that regerative braking and, if so, what happens on a long downhill run?
Where does the energy go?
Yes. It kicks in when you hit the brakes. So don’t go down a big hill at 100% battery. You could damage the ewheel.
@@evXNYC
Ah ha. Thank you.
I live in an area with very few flat areaa to ride.
I have to go 21kms and it rains a lot.
No fancy riding tricks. A straight commutw to the bus.
Any recommendations, please?
@@arthurrobey4945 inmotion v12. I made a whole video series on the v12. Go find that playlist and check it out.
@@evXNYC I thank you again.
I choose v11, where as s18 is kool looking but not complete, some parts fell off near the knee area.
V11 shud have a better side barrier then plastic.
I just got both. No more headaches lol.
Awesome content we want more content no seriously this video is dope
Interesting video but is it good to get a suspension wheel at all? The owners of both the S18 and V11 always seem to be complaining of problems while the EX is too new to get any reliability feedback but having a hollow motor suggests the EX is going to have issues in the future with the bearings. It would also be interesting to have some comparison to how much better suspension is compared to current wheels with the larger 3" width tyres which use the tyre for a little "suspension". Maybe attaching a device to measure bumps on a standard route? Like Le says below the acceleration and braking test isn't that useful as it stands but having a simple timed run from standing start up to a brick wall 30m away would give a simple number that could be compared to other wheels. It's a thought anyway.
This is lit 🔥 🔥🔥 AF 😁
Tell us what the range is. The kingsong.
I’ve made an entire video on the kingsong. Def check that one out.
Great video as per 👌👏
How does this wheel compare to the Nikola?
Which wheel?
@@evXNYC s18
It’s apples and oranges. Nikola has way more battery power and speed.
I'm looking to upgrade from my onewheel and I'm stuck between the s 18 or the Nikola. I don't ride much off road but the roads here are bumpy
I was curious on how the Nikola handles bumps compared to the S18 now obviously the S18 has suspension so it's probably better
You and Hsiang have an episode number in every video. Is this a New York thing?
maybe its a nerd thing ;)
I just got my S18 three days ago, and did my first range test tonight. Very disappointed :( i only got 20.2 miles on a trail where my KS 18XL and KS 16X both got ~42 miles. And already put a dent in my "adjustable" pedals going up a small ramped curb, making them no longer adjustable. I really wanted to love this wheel, but :( I think the V11 is the winner for me.
Thanks for sharing!
I think I will get the v11
Hey why did you get the s18 if u already had the 18xl? Is that not the same wheel with bigger battery?
@@Catamount19 i wanted the suspension! and s18 looks cool :P
@@Voidroamer does the 18xl not have suspension?
No
What's the weight limit?
Generally 250 lbs for the axel, but north of 200 lbs and the gyro may struggle when stressed.
S18 got the suspension I like but doesn't tick any other boxes. V11 looks like a very nice commuter for someone not me. The EX price tag is way to high and it doesn't impress me enough to consider it over the RS I bought as my first. 2021 is the year I got into this EUC riding
How much do you weigh? I’m 240lbs, looking to getting the s18
175
Wait, I thought it was tire change day.... that's still funny bro.
That’s the worst day! Lol
@@evXNYC hahaa
Nice video. After 2 seconds I knew which EUC was the ugliest :)
S18 suspension design is the best, implementation and build QC when putting the suspension together, poor, really poor.
Other thing S18 has going for it is due to KingSong's superior battery management, it's real world range is actually only slightly behind the V11 and in some cases, better.
@@Duf any data on that? I mean, where is this info from?
How much do you weigh? I’m 240lbs looking to get the s18....
The small battery in the S18 helps with keeping the weight low. Lots of plastic parts keeps the weight down. So the S18 was definitely build for jumping. I also think the S18 is not build for heavy people. I feel the S18 deserves a better battery (not bigger) and stronger motor (not bigger).
The V11 is definitely a city wheel. Great for night rides with that headlight. And the V11 is useable in lots of situations.
The Ex is build like a tank. Except for the suspension part. The suspension looks very fragile. The hulking motor will definitely help bigger guys. But the Ex itself is just too heavy and not very nimble for lighter people. This limits its use. I am heavy. Part of it is my big strong lower body. So the Ex should be a good match for me.
Quality wise...each wheel has its own shortcomings. I hope the second revision of these suspension wheels will fix a lot of these problems.
Define heavy
More than 30 kg.
Sooooo... S18 is for children? And my dog still can ride it.
@@DawidDettlaff
Yes Mten3 for children. Your dog can ride anything, if he/she puts on some gear.
How much do you weigh?
175 lbs
@@evXNYC thanks!
Great video! I am surprised at how close the range is between the s18 and v11. Dufs latest range test on the s18 also concluded for me that the it is the best suspension wheel of 2020.
Duff is my boy!
I feel like the S18 won on a technicality, or due to some clever detail in the "fine print".
Oh man, missed first by 8 minutes! Looking forward to this one Mick 👍
Haha! Enjoy!
@@evXNYC LOL - is this your card? I was surprised, by how surprised you were, at your top wheel 😂
My card?
@@evXNYC I was hoping you'd hold one up and ask the camera.
So frustrating and tiresome that the EUC like most PLEV are illegal in the UK. Unless on private land
V11 fanboy checking in
You lost me at 13:36 🤮
Well typically U.S. Taste and very subjective🤣
big big big is always better
KS S18 has design and suspension, and can be taken on a bus or airplane, which is everything an EUC needs. Anything else is but useless fad, which any motorcycle or even a bicycle brings you a thousandfold for a comparable price.
It most definitely cannot be taken on a plane lol.
@@evXNYC - For all regions, your checked bag allowance is: Dimension: 62 in / 158 cm. Weight: 50 lbs / 23 kgs. For First / Business, weight is 70 lbs / 32 kgs.
-- King Song S18 Specifications:
Dimensions: 22” H x 21” W x 8”= 51"
Weight: ~48lbs.
Happy now? Lol
Battery bro
@@evXNYC - You are ruining my day, mate.
But how about this...
Newly placed preorders will be shipping out by above SHIP DATE, however air shipping will be available if you'd like to decrease your wait time. You will receive an email with more details once your wheel is ready to ship. :)
@@jmerlo4119 There is a big difference between commercial shipping and carry on for a passenger airplane.
So S18 awesome suspension/average wheel not a good commuter
V11 very good suspension/ very good range commuter wheel
EX has suspension/ beast of a wheel...you can sell your car
My pic, EX, V11, S18
metropolitano here...
Dear evX, suspension maybe but I disagree with your final thoughts because you considered just "some" of the rest of the design that is needed for a great experience with suspension. How good can be an off-road suspension when is mounted over an EUC with a common axle motor? I mean, how long can it last if you really make use of it as an off-road vehicle? You may jump all you want but using a generic axle weakened by holes for the cables in one side, does not sound a great to me. Material fatigue will show up eventually, unless used only in the city and casual dirt trails (for which the suspension is no longer needed much). Great suspension without an overall design that fits it, is not for me, specially at the high prices of these vehicles. The KS18S does not even have a cooling fan (forced cooling system) to be able to face serious off-roading. As you said, it is up to the type of use. I love off-roading (the real deal, not just off-street in dirt trails) and thus, I prefer a suspension that is protected (not exposed as the KS18S), power when needed, good autonomy (battery vs motor efficiency), redundancy wherever possible, I need an active cooling system and of course an improved axle system that can deal with the tricks I do with the suspension.
IMO, the V11 is the winner and by far. It is not build as a toy, I can adjust it also for the city, even the height of the pedals and check again its motor power... you mentioned its "nominal" power, not the level you used when braking hard (on that use, the V11 can be on the 5000W). For your test when braking, I would rather have compared the distance to brake at the same speed instead of the time (more useful to understand why we SHOULD NOT GO FAST in an EUC). "Emergency braking distance" is top in my list of priorities when choosing an EUC or any vehicle. I am so thankful of you taking the "braking capability" in consideration. Not many youtubers do that. Most just compare EUCs by their battery capacity and max speed (listed on the paper). Instead you added a more mature approach (safety). Thanks for that.
IMO, the EX only for the city, comfortable for long range at moderated speed (to be safe due to its braking limitations) despite personally I would never buy an EUC with "panasonic" battery cells glued with double sided tape. The KS18S as a fun EUC, for short trips on dirt trails or commuting in not so great roads (as in my country). For real Off-Road as well as the best multipurpose EUC, the V11 is the clear winner when checking all the design.
I am one of first!
Yes!
Funny how this what I mentioned and you EvX said to me on that v11 live dissamebly video at alien rides, "v11 is better period". Meanwhile I was like people open your dam eyes... S18 is on top, it's better designed, better thoughts. Only draw back the little battery which will likely be coremrected at some point or at least have 2 versions. And the linkage, yah Kingston will likely tune that as well or you can do it yourself. Anyway, "I told you".
V11 brings are a complet rubbish, they last me only 300km.
On my Z10 I have over 10000km and runs perfect.
What a waste.....
what batch?
@@smallratt I'm not sure, but I believe is the second batch.
What's the weight limit?