I have such incredible and unbridled respect for Laura Bailey, this role is rough and brutal. The threats towards her and her family are beyond unacceptable
Absolutely agree with this! No matter how I feel about Abbey as a character, I never get mad at the actors! In fact, I would actually commend them that they made the character so believable that everyone took it so personally 😂
even though it's stupid, making threats to neil makes more sense. why would you threaten an actor that had no say in the story? attacking the creator of the story makes more sense, but I don't recommend anyone doing any
I dunno if Troy reads any of these comments but I absolutely love how deeply emotional he gets. I feel like he and I exist on the same wavelength, because the emotions that he feels come from deep from his core. It’s a story and he’s an actor, but you can tell that he feels everything and experiences it fully in the moment. I tear up easily as well because I can feel others pain as though it’s my own. It’s such a weird way to describe what I guess is just empathy, but it kinda goes further than that. I dunno how to fully describe it.
Baker's performance in his death scene is absolutely incredible. There is SO MUCH expression just in those grunts alone! They feel absolutely REAL. And then ofc: the delivery of, "Why don't you say whatever speech you've got rehearsed and get this over with." is just *chef's kiss*. An all-timer line. Also: right after getting shot in the knee, Joel very clearly grumbles, "you stupid sumbitch" to himself. The subtitles don't spell it out but he unmistakably says that. Joel had taken a calculated risk when he trusted this stranger (to go to a location that he KNOWS about, so he can avoid facing this HORDE with his dwindling stack of ammo in the middle of this intense BLIZZARD)... It clearly didn't pan out for him. And he knows now that he's made a mistake. Also: folks on patrol for Jackson have a history of saving and helping survivors they encounter. This is what Joel did when he saw Abby. I imagine that her being a young girl, not much older than Ellie, DEFINITELY played into his decision to save this survivor.
Regardless of my complicated feelings about the story of Part 2, I have a deep respect for Troy and his passion for his craft. You can tell he loves Joel more than any of us fans ever could. He understands the character more than any of us. He brought Joel to life, and he’ll forever have my respect for that.
If you don't like part II, you don't like good stories or movies, or maybe you didn't understand the messages behind it, which makes it so great. It's one of the best story games ever made, right up there with part I.
@@tob.meisterI hate how people like you think part 2 was some kind of IQ test. No we all understood the themes and overall plot of the story. That does not mean we have to like it.
A teenager in high school could probably formulate and execute this story better LOL lets be real. It has so many flaws to be released by multi million dollar company. If an indie company released this, itd be acceptable, but AAA is meant to be like the hollywood of video games.
@@aspirationrecords send me ur script of the last of us 2 I’ll be the judge of that. You say it like it’s so easy and anyone can do it so go ahead and send over your version of the last of us 2 let’s see how it holds up against the original 😂 someone’s just salty they had to play as Abby it sounds like
@@aspirationrecords This is the most oftenly regurgitated garbge take about this game I've seen. 99/100 times its simply because you just didn't get it. You just don't get what the game is doing.
@@icydarko05 No, no, no. While I completely agree with your sentiment, that's letting him off the hook for his asinine comment WAY too easy! "His script for The Last of Us 2", my ass! Let's see HIS original story AND it's sequel! What a tool that guy is!!
TLOU 2 is one of the many games I wish I could play again for the first time. The game had already been out for a few years by the time I was finally able to play, so I already knew about Joel's death, and I so wish I could play without that knowledge to really get the full effective of his death scene: the shock and horror that one of my favorite video game characters was dying right in front of me, and the terror of what that meant for Ellie going forward. Anyway, I love listening to your insight on the making of both games and watching you play Part 2 is definitely on my list of needs.
@@aspirationrecords I just feel like the experience was diluted for me a little bit knowing what was going to happen to Joel. Curse of knowledge and all that.
I just hope these actors/creators of the game remember that there are people who love part 2 as much as them, it’s not all the people who hate it. It’s my favorite game, movie, book, or whatever kind of story ever
The game has one of the most vile hate communities I've seen for any piece of media, but still, it was critically acclaimed and manages to have more positive user reviews than negative which is impressive considering it still gets review/rating bombed. It's special to a lot of people and I hope they'd know that. I also think the game is going to age like fine wine. Show season 2 will come out, more people will be exposed to the series, more newcomers will play the games, and if the 3rd game delivers the same quality as its predecessors I think the 2nd game will lose its controversial tag and it'll just be considered a masterpiece trilogy.
@@Igrium Oh absolutely this is a huge factor. I know there were some who complained about "wokeness," but a bigger reason imo was just feeling they were done dirty by Joel being killed so early. I've watched over a dozen of playthroughs and so many of them almost quit or were insanely critical of the game after Joel's death. But most of those people were turned around by the end of the game and admitted that they jumped to conclusions too soon.
@user-ck9lm6xi1o I find the "this game is woke" narrative so funny for part II like part I wasn't exactly the same. You playing as Joel was the only guy in a lot of scenes, and no one had a problem with that back then. The haters talk absolute nonsense when speaking about part II, as a guy who loves movies this game is a 10/10.
@@Igrium After 7 years of waiting, being lied to in the trailer, and having such a bad way to go, no wonder people are pissed. What even "daddy Joel" means? You act like you didn't like him. Same could be said about "Mommy Abby" Bigger narrative? Basic revenge story, not even redemption ark.
Goddamn. I haven't watched the documentary yet for Part II, but Troy already ripped my heart out with how much this meant to him. It is just such an incredible experience; the first time is something you really can't quite put into words.
I highly recommend watching the making of Part ll; it gives such an amazing in in-depth look at the process they went through for every aspect of the game: story, setting, characters, art, gameplay. It also shows you all the actor's reactions to the various plot points as well as the feedback to the game, Laura Bailey’s interview, in particular, was heartbreaking.
@@UncreativeHandle48 I will, but I'm currently showing my friends Part II for the first time, and I don't wanna do this without them; they are way too much invested into the story for that! Unfortunately, this moves with the pace of a snail 🥲
The porch scene is definitely the capstone of the story to me. Something I always thought was a great detail was when he says he has no regrets, how his expression hardens with conviction. It's such a classic Joel look. While he may have softened some from his time in Jackson, or at least / especially with Ellie, you see a bit of the old Joel in that look, and I think it's a great bit of character consistency.
woah this gives me chills as in in ellie pov if only she realized the first time when joel decided to save her from fireflies, those times were what its like being saved by joel...
When Troy described everything that went into Joel’s death scene, about how he wanted to do a good job so that Ashley did not have to relive the trauma of her father’s death more than she had to, I teared up. That really got to me. Everybody did an amazing job bringing this beautiful and heartbreaking tale to life.
It's so great to hear Troy talk about this and all the behind the scenes emotions and situations. You can only appreciate these actors and the whole team
Also with the Golf Scene, someone was gonna suffer. If Abby didn't finish Joel, she would have taken out Ellie or Tommy to make Joel suffer. Joel would begged to be taken instead of them.
@@negan5986I agree that the story was pretty disappointing but the gameplay was absolutely great you can’t deny that and even if the story is worse than the last game it doesn’t necessarily mean that the game is bad
I was recently watching a play through of part II and although I got emotional over it before, it hit me way harder now. Yesterday were 6 months since my dad passed away, and while he was at the hospital and even now, I did this thing where I'd go and smell his clothes. I wanted to remember his smell, that mix of cigarettes with his favorite cologne. I completely forgot Ellie did that in the game, and when I got to that scene I cried so hard. Every moment of her remembering Joel was like seeing myself and my struggle to not forget my dad. How he sounds, looks, smells, the things he does and says, I'm constantly looking at videos and photos and whoever says this game wasn't good just hasn't gone through a similar emotion to look at it on a deeper level.
Troy Baker is one of the most talented voice-actors in the gaming industry, such a lovable and nice person! No one could've done Joel's character better than him. Thank you so much for making TLOU 1 and 2 one of the most memorable and amazing games ever made!
When I last Met Troy Baker we had a small chat about this game. He essentially told me he thought the story was perfect. The way he talked about it you can tell how much he loves not only this story, but the character of Joel. My friends and I said we loved the story too, seemed like he’s genuinely excited to see how much people enjoyed it, and to share that with them. Such a nice guy, hope to meet him again!
I love how Troy speak of the death of Joel and the difficulty of scene, that wa so emotional. And the way when he speak the flashback , in particulary the museum, that was great Troymade a great performance on Joel
Ngl whenever he said 28 Days later first, I nodded my head and went, "That's a mighty valid choice. Super solid." Then when he said SoTD I hit a little jig of excitement and applause
When i played it on launch, i hated the game. But as time went in i realized i was just incredibly hurt about Joel. And i came to realize what an incredible story the second game gave us. Absolutely love this series
Same. I had to force myself through it because I hated so many decisions that they made. Came back a year or two later to get the 100%… went into it telling myself you know what to expect now. You know you didn’t like it and what about it you didn’t like. So just try to appreciate it for what it IS, not what you wish it WAS. And because of that, I actually managed to fully enjoy my grounded and permadeath runs.
honestly watching it again and hearing troy talking about it, made me tear up again, made me remember watching that scene for the first time and goddamn it was a rollercoaster
I still campaign for Abby. How can you understand Joel, and not Abby when they're so similar? Joel lost his daughter, Abby lost her dad. Joel turns to hunter tactics, Abby joined the WLF, Joel turned into a shell of himself until meeting someone who brought the light back which led to him robbing the world of a potential cure. Abby avenges her father but loses herself only to find a better her after growing with Lev. Joel didn't have to kill Marlene, and Abby didn't need to spare Ellie. That's where they differ as far as choices go. Joel's storyline followed tragedy, and Abby veered from it. Ellie learns that lesson, too, but loses Dina among other things. Tlou2 was just as good as the first. No one deserved the hate they got for fulfilling such a vast story.
@@freshie3109@freshie3109 did they or did the game play them. The leaks ruined this game people came into it hating it they didnt allow the game to take them on the ride and therefore fell off i saw the leaks but i said to myself im still gonna play it because i waited 8 years for it and there has to be reason why they felt the need to tell this story and i ended up loving it. Its alot im not going to deny that but its impact just as powerful as p1 and thats all i can ask for as a fan of the game...
couldn’t agree with you more!! it took me a second playthrough to truly realize and understand abby’s story. she’s actually my favorite new character in part 2. my second is lev!! their story is genius, and it’s easily one of my favorite redemptions in a game i’ve experienced in a while.
I absolutely LOVE this game. Narrative, gameplay and EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. Troy and Ashley did a phenomenal job (and the rest of the crew) I just feel grateful for having the opportunity to play both part 1 & 2 and get to experience this amazing story.
Perfect ensemble cast!! Joel Miller is the only videogame character loss that made me cry. I now see a story about 3 traumatised people with entertwined lives and how they deal with their PTSD. I prefer to be challenged as a viewer than being served my favorite food all the time. I think life experience makes a hell of a difference too. When my sister died of cancer in 2013, about a month before the first game was out, I had to grieve her death and accept that I would never get to show her how awesome it was, as she was a great spectator of my love & passion for games. Joel's death was then easier to accept. I had to allow myself to weep a bit thinking : "Isn't my sadness a little too much?" TLoU : Part 2 is the most powerful story that I know in all media and I love stuff like 6 Feet Under or Apocalypse Now. I don't think anything will get me to the core the way this series did, outside of actual human relationships. Ashley is a magnificient actress and I deeply love Abby. How do you reconcile with characters you love, but make each other suffer? Challenging naratives elevate art. This is what happened with The Last of Us as both parts do not end well. Thanks Troy for everything!! See you in Death Stranding 2!!! I miss Kojima's work!
The way Troy Baker transports you through Jol’s eyes and his deep reasoning of saving Ellie is so amazing. The fact Jol knew this was the consequence of his own actions, but knew it was worth it is so dark with such a tragic outcome, but yet so empowering and understanding. So unfortunate Ellie had to live in that moment from a different perspective and see her life change forever.
LIsten to this man talking. NOBODY loves Joel more than Troy. And then I have to put up with some people saying they understand Joel better and that the game is terrible... This game is nothing but a MASTERPIECE!
Yeah and these people understand part I better than Neil Durckman... Who is also the director of the first game lmao, saying that he destroyed the first game (yeah he hates his game and the characters he created)
@ariefbudiman2592 In what ways? When we leave Joel in Part 1 he's learned to love again, when we meet him again in Part 2 he's become part of a community and started working in teams, he's basically warmer and let his guard down after 6 years of happiness - he sees a girl in danger he now jumps in to help because he's trying to be a good man for Ellie - and it costs him his life. Ellie struggles with anger and a lust for revenge costing her everything and turning her into the monster she set out to destroy, and catches herself at the last moment choosing to be the better person. Abby goes through exactly the same arc Joel did in Part 1, giving into her demons and then finding new purpose and love, and becoming a better person as a result. These are all very realistic and well told character arcs, you don't have to agree with them or like the overall story, but to say they're an insult to storytelling is to misunderstand the craft.
I pre-ordered the game and played it side by side with my best friend over PS party chat and we moved pretty much at the same time and it was one of my favorite experiences in gaming.
@QUANDIEGOOCH817 I'm a games player of many, many years, and I played a lot of games. None of them has a very complex, very emotional story like this game. The player gets to experience both sides. In the end, it makes you think that there's no hero and no enemy ...it is just pain and how a human being is reacting to it. The game is not only about revenge but about forgiveness, too, and it's hard. I've learnt so much from this game. It is deep. The real heroes are all the ones who participate in making this masterpiece.
My father was murdered this year back in April. I came back to him lying on the ground bleeding out. I picked him up to my knees and I started talking to him. All he could do was just look at me while he drowned on his own blood. It's never been the same since
I remember when it first released, I was pissed, this sounded terrible, I couldn't believe this is how the story was, until I watched someone platinum the game and explained the game is supposed to make you feel like awful the entire time. So I decided after that video I played pt1 and then later got pt2 a few months later to finally make my own opinion. It was fantastic, and its true I really just felt like trash the whole time and then I played as Abby and got to love her character and feel bad for all of what ellie had been doing. this is a fantastic game with a tragic story. Please don't just hate it because your favorite character died
@@AwkwardDogeE Fans of the first game who played day one waited seven years for this. It needed to fill some big shoes. Not sure if it did. Also those people knew Joel and Ellie for seven years. It's hard to let go sometimes and shouldn't be downplayed because you had a great experience.
@@blakebraswell9095 Lets be real !!! The game is like this ( man are perceived in the game as morons or killed in horrible fashion) because Blackrock started there DEI propaganda in games !!!!
Joel is the same one who doesn't check to see if Henry and Sam have been bitten, he goes to sleep with them after having known them for just half a day. Isn't that strange for an experienced survivor like him? Isn't that out of character? In my opinion no. Joel in the first game does not always make the right choice, he is almost always saved by other characters (Tommy, Bill, Ellie, Henry). Joel is not an infallible character. The beginning of TLOU2 is perfect like this
this makes no sense, he was literally skeptical about them since he met them. when someone is bitten the side effects happen within hours, so while he was skeptical of them he was most likely looking out for that too. he fiannly starts to soften up a little on them after they save his and ellies life. In part II he steps into a room full of strangers (the middle of the room I might add) and blatantly allows his brother to give out their names
@@Jasonajd Just like the 1st game, Joel goes to a hideout with some stranger he knew just 10 minutes ago (Sam and Henry). Henry could’ve killed Joel while he was asleep, Sam could’ve shot Joel on sight. Things just happen and that’s life.
this game took me like 3 years, multiple playthroughs and so many long discussions with friends to come appreciate just how utterly flawless it is. It's not happy conclusions that you come to, but all character actions do make sense when you understand the the horrible world the characters live in. Basically the only reason to keep living is the people you care about. So when someone takes them revenge is all you can do to deal with the loss of what can be seen as the only reason to live in this world. It applies in even enemy encounters, you'll hear someone scream their friends name as Ellie jabs her knife into them. setting them on the same path. My friends and I agree that if you played as Abby in the first game and we bonded with her and her dad, then some lunatic(Joel) killed him, we'd have the same unforgiving need for revenge. After my first playthrough, I felt very much like Ironman in civil war in that I hundred percent understood all of Abby's reasons for wanting to kill Joel but I still had an irrational rage because she killed a character I loved, i.e "I don't care he killed my mom". 5 playthroughs later and tons of refection I've come to appreciate Abby as a character. Also side note to the people who say "Joel letting his guard down is out o character. I say that is the point, as soon as Joel made it back to Jackson, he wanted to let go of the past and try and enjoy his life for the first time since Sarah. Add the fact that he's been living in relative comfort for years at this point, It all makes sense......wooooo wrote so much more than I planned to.
This TLoU series with Troy is one of the best game dev/voice actor interviews and discussions on TH-cam! Every single videogame-adjacent thing I’ve seen Troy do has been so excellent, so wonderfully honest…so professionally entertaining!… Many would agree that everything he’s done is decidedly among the best versions of that thing. 🤙🏼
It's such an incredible journey. The pacing may not be the best but god damn is it an emotional roller coaster. This game will be looked back on as one of the best stories ever told. I have never ugly cried so hard lmao
@@Ligmaballin I mean you can also check the amount of awards this game got. This game was mass review bombed by certain groups, but in time will be re-evaluated when all the dust has cleared from the initial controversy
I believe that this is so incredibly beautiful, the love and admiration that Troy has for this game and the people who were involved is so special and inspiring. Especially when he talked about Laura and Ashley who are just so incredible, the fact that Laura put in so much effort and dedication into her performance even though she knew what was going to happen is such a powerful thing and I truly don’t understand how anyone can hate her. It also really warmed my heart that he did his best so that Ashley wouldn’t have to do a retake of Joel’s death scene, so proud to live in a world where these people exist.
I was just thinking of something painful that could happen for a potential THE LAST OF US PART III... and I can base this off personal loss. My grandfather passed away 8 years ago, and as time went on, I forgot what his voice sounded like. That could happen to Ellie, she suddenly starts to forget what Joel's voice sounded like.
I highly doubt Ellie would be able to forget him after seeing how hard the PTSD hit her all the way until the end of the game BUT I am curious to see how far you planned out your thought? Like genuinely curious! What do you think would be the blueprint for how that game would go from start to finish? Because I feel like Ellie is done with all the fighting (not counting self defense for her and her remaining loved ones of course), so what story driven action would be in the game? Or would it be more of a slowed-down life simulator kind of thing?
What Part III will be about is something i've thought about quite a bit. The theme I keep coming back to is one where she finds a way to love herself. Which I know sounds cheesy. But the overarching theme of the entire series is love. Part I is about Joel learning to love someone again after having shut himself down due to Sarah's death. Left Behind is about Ellie's first love. And Part II is about the destructive quality of love. And Ellie as a character, as we hear in the porch seen, doesn't really care about herself much. She thinks her only real purpose in life is to just sacrifice herself for a potential cure. So, I think it'd be interesting if after Part II that Part III was a positive version of the concept of love where she's trying to find herself. Joel tells her at the end of Part I that you need to find something to fight for, and that's just something she hasn't attempted to do. Of course I have no idea what the gameplay loop for something like that would even be.
I’ve always been interested in playing the Guitar. I stopped for a while cause I gave up but playing Part 2 has since reignited that interested. That Porch Scene is solidifies my whole reasoning to start again. There’s of course the first Future Days scene or the Take on Me, but Helplessly Hoping just hits different
I absolutely love Troy's vulnerability and his love for Ashley and her performance. I, too, have all these feelings, and it fills me with joy to see that the actors love their characters, the story, and every other part of this game as much as I do. Incredible. I am here with you, Troy, and crying along side you.
An absolute masterpiece in storytelling. How can such a dark story be this beautiful. 90% of the hate came absolutely from the immaturity of the gaming community. People don’t wanna be challenged, they want things black and white, simple. They don’t want to see a nuanced or critical look on characters. That is what makes this story so brave and genius at the same time. It puts real, radical and earned character growth over simple fan service.
@@paballomolata8844the pacing thing is personal taste like everything else. I played through it over a number of days, almost like I was watching a series. And I liked the ebb and flow of the story a lot. I was excited to see where it was going when we made the switch to Abby.
@@lungfulldrummer8921 That's true but it's foolish to dismiss it as "immature" like the Original commenter said. Plus the Abby storyline felt like the game was trying to hard to the players to connect with Abby and her friends. It would've been way cooler if it was revealed that the doctor Joel killed was Abby's father nearly towards the end. That would
Come on, man. THIS dismissiveness of true fans who just so happen not to like the second game is so infuriating and unfair. Y'all wax poetic about how the sequel is about love and forgiveness and mirrors of pain and Abby is sympathetic , but then turn around and in the same breath dismiss someone (like me) who is an absolute TLOU STAN, but I DON'T LIKE THE STORY PART 2 TELLS. That doesn't make me a literary illiterate. It doesn't make me immature. It doesn't make me ANY of the condescending adjectives and nouns you throw at me. Let's love the game if you love it, but don't be a hypocrite in your rush to berate everyone with a different opinion.
The legend. Such pain in this story. It took me a couple years to come back to this game and seeing it more clearly. Revenge, pain, loss and a cycle of destruction and maybe hope
I swear I love Troy baker for playing Joel , I would give anything that Joel doesn’t die , the last of us part 1&2 are goated games FOR SURE, but part 2 made me go nuts and crazy for killing him, this game just broke in millions of pieces
I lost my father the year before this game released. Life kind of spiraled for me from then until the pandemic. This game really helped me process that grief. Very grateful for this game.
It was the flashbacks with younger Ellie and Joel that helped me process the death of my best friend. It felt like a meditation on grief that I'll always be thankful for.
Idk if that’s accurate honestly. What Joel did against the fireflies and Abby’s people was so personal and so brutal, it was a much more likely cause that that would be the thing to bite him in the ass over some random hunter or person he killed two decades ago or something small. You also have to remember he was chilled out in Boston with Tess for a while, smuggling the supplies bill brought in. It’s not like he was out there being crazy forever.
@@magiccookies420I mean, in the first game Joel himself says multiple times that they did some pretty bad shit, and it shows in the right moments (torturing people, he knows pretty well the bandits tactics in the city, he is a really cold blooded killer)
@@magiccookies420 i'm not saying it HAS to be a revenge kill but there was a lot of people he wronged and even with tommy too when it first started, but also he could have been killed by some random getting scared and shooting on sight. no matter what i dont think joel would have ever died of old age
The Last od us Part II broke me.... I played on release..... got to that point..... And cried for like at least an hour, had to stop gaming for a couple days. Then i came back and i cried like EVERY DAY for 2 Weeks while playing the game..... Its a brilliant game and my fav franchise
@@ewabator2124 You realize their experiences are just as valid as yours even if they hated it right? Calling people butt hurt is what leads to mindless name calling, instead of real discussion.
@@blakebraswell9095 their Feelings are valid as Long as they keep what they say in a Line. But fact ist that people creating the Game been called Out big time, got send de*th threats etc. People who dont Like the Game get super rude and im tired of it. And they would keep beeing Like that for years. Like let people Love whatever they Love and find a Hobby that you Love aß Well instead of rambeling about how you dont Like The Game... And that years later ...
I never wanted to leave that museum flashback on my first playthrough. After crying my eyes out for Joel I wanted to spend as much of the given time with him as possible. So I was taking my time, looking at absolutely everything, I didn't want it to end. I was saying to my friend who was also playing the game on her end, "We're going to space now." This is a brilliant game. Did it squeeze all the emotions out of me and leave me just an exhausted mess? Absolutely. But I love the journey it took me on. Over the course of the game it's like my eyes were opened. And that museum part will always be one of my favorite things about it.
To me it changed it from a selfish decision (he saved her because couldn't bear to lose her) to a noble one (he would save her again even if it meant he lost her himself). He finally owned it (up til then he had lied to her to avoid paying the cost). Because he owned it and was finally honest she was able to start forgiving him. Tragically he would die the next day so they never got to fully reconcile, but he died knowing she still loved him and that was all he wanted.
The story was just perfect. You all made THE RIGHT decisions with the plot. And the true fans can’t wait for the third installment. I loved every moment of Parts 1 and 2; I lived all those emotions too. I can’t enjoy other games in the same way as TLOU - its a VERY special piece of art. You should be all proud, Troy.
This game was meant to be divisive no doubt. But i'll always say that the leaks ruined it early for the haters. They werent able to experience it firsthand. Tragic really.
It's 100% this. I can guarantee that the majority of the people who hate this game initially consumed it through leaks / got it spoiled by someone else who heard the leaks. It's a shame that such a nuanced and mature story just got watered down to "revenge bad" because we only knew the big, shocking story points back then. All the details got lost, and the gaming community was robbed of being told this story in a proper fashion
@@therealel1te284 i got leaked though. Theres two sides people that still gave it a chance whole heartedly though they got leaked e.g engaging with the world building etc. And those who saw the story hated the story from the jump played it and couldnt get past the fact that they hated the story therefore rushed it thinking revenge is bad...
@@spyral43 @therealel1te284 I actually can speak to this personally and can tell both of you the arguments I've seen blaming the leaks for how hated the game was is just a bad excuse used to try and discredit the opinion of a large portion of fans, and for me couldn't be further from the truth. I just did my first play through of part 1 two months ago on pc. I was so immersed and invested in both the story, and even more in Ellie and Joel, that I wasted money and bought a PS5 just to play part 2. Furthermore, I NEVER saw or even heard any of the leaks when they happened, and still don't know what was really leaked. So I literally went into both games as a complete outsider, the only thing I had ever heard was that TLoU was excellent, so I gave it a try. Because of this, I had a unique experience and perception by doing my actual 1st and NG+ play through for both parts all at once. And halfway through part 2 my feelings towards the franchise quickly took a turn for the worse. The enormous plot holes and character assassinations in part 2 was actually what was tragic. I can safely say Abby's section didn't work for me, it was actually painful, and I truly hated playing her, making me dislike her more and more as her part went on. Same goes with her friends, they all sucked, I always hated them all. I think a lot had to do with how they were clearly trying to force you to end up liking/sympathizing with them way too hard trying to get the player to understand the other side, but it was so forced and corny it fails. Lev was the only well written character from that side, everyone else was very unlikable and never developed even the slightest connection to. Because of this, the game's plot completely fails, as I felt 100% justified with everyone Ellie took out. So, I absolutely lost it when Abby was ultimately freed, and became even more enraged after the flashback on the porch, knowing how close they were to fixing their relationship all for it to be ripped away by this POS I was forced to just let go?? And I'm somehow supposed to think that was right? Not only did the plot fail to make me feel anything but pure disappointment with the story's writing, I'm actually starting to notice part 1 being ruined for me, as I currently do another play through, ultimately because of just how much I hated part 2's story. And I want to also make it clear I didn't have an issue with Joel dying, I did however think it could have been done better. Joel is just done dirty in part 2 as well as ellie. And I just thought it was crazy taking the aspect solely responsible for part 1's success, being joel and ellies characters, and completely nuking, essentially ruining them.
Still on Joels side, I would of tried to go about it another way, but if it were my son who was immue, find someone else, like he says. I don't know the rest of the human race, but I know my son. Also there would be no way Ellie could be the ONLY person immune. I remember hearing Neil say during the play testing, EVERY SINGLE PARENT who played, agreed, the people who didn't were like 50/50. You have to be a parent to get it, I didn't know what unconditional love was until I held my son...and if it meant I had to die later and I knew that, idc, is my son safe? Like I said, I would try to go about it in a different way. Anyway, I juat like discussing that part. Love you Troy, you'll always be Joel.❤ Also love the other actors emotions during Joels death, so many people were crying, obviously they just kept it out but how could you not?
when the death joel happened i cried, and went to hug my father, when the porch scene happend, i cried some more. i can see so many similarities between me and my dad, and joel and ellie (luckily my father never had to experience that kind of hurt, had to harden his heart like that...) so it just really hits.
Man just hearing troy baker explain everything on how they went into making this game just made me tear up and almost start balling in tears. This game is just so beautiful and forever will be one of my favorites. I'm excited for the new season on hbo but I'm also not ready to see joel go again. Pedro does an amazing job playing Joel to the point I feel as if he really is a real person
I'm so with him on his speech about whether or not it was the right story to tell. When I played the beginning of part 2, having avoided all the leaks, I was heartbroken, and angry, and disappointed. It wasn't the story I wanted. To me, The Last of Us was a story of love, and family, and it was a place of comfort. I wasn't ready to be faced with the depth and darkness that the second game held - but the more I let it sink in, the more I came to realize that it is in no way a bad story. In fact, it's a great one. It just wasn't necessarily the one I was hoping for.
I think, Neil got so much flag for this one because I think fans weren’t ready for this. Me as a fan, I knew this was going to come eventually because the hardcore fireflies may have wanted revenge for what Joel dis. But to address the flag, I feel fans wanted one more adventure with Joel and Ellie but this time we play as Ellie, then teased the events of part 2 at the end to make this a trilogy. He definitely could have made this a trilogy and made even bigger than it was. We as fans were divided because the story for some of us wasn’t for us. I’m not taking away what you guys performed and acted but the story was just not for everyone. For me. But I still go back because the gameplay is amazing and so much better than the first. The story still was impactful but just not the story I wanted to experience until we had one more adventure with Joel and Ellie.
The Last Of Us has played a pretty significant role in my life, i was 8 when it came out. I watched markiplier play it as he was releasing the videos, the next year my mom died. And my single father got custody of me, and i moved to a whole different state to live with him. One day he took me to get pizza and then took me to GameStop, i asked him to get the last of us for me and he did. I played it religiously, and went to bed watching the markiplier last of us playlist more times than i have fingers and toes, i still do as a 21 year old. As the years went on life was really hard, but the last of us always helped distract me, markipliers the last of us videos helped me sleep and brought me peace where i couldn't find any. I was 15 or 16 when part 2 came out, pop pre ordered it for me, it came out 5 days before my birthday, i had tried to stay away from the leaks that were surging on the internet but i finally couldn't take it anymore and watched angryjoes video on it, i didn't believe the leaks were real at all to be honest, after 7 years i refused to believe that things would go the way they did, but low and behold once i downloaded it, a hour into the game, he was dead. Right after Abby struck the killing blow i uninstalled the game and didn't play it for almost a year, i cant explain how hard that hit me. Now of course i eventually came back to it and beat it, but up until watching this video a part of me hated what Neil did, but after seeing this, i still hate what the hell he did. But i look at the game with a new found respect.
Neil, Troy, Ashley and Laura and the rest of the crew and cast, I will never be able to express correctly how this piece of art that is TLOU II changed me and made me feel. I'm 39 and I'm also a dad and playing this was one of the best (and worst, but I understand the intention and I'm fully with it) experience of my life. I'm tearing up just seeing the scenes here in this interview and I cannot commend enough the cast and Troy in particular with this 'reaction' for their performances. Those people are dedicated to their craft and delivered one of the best game that ever existed. I understand why some people were divided on it, I wasn't, It completely took me in, like I was in that world when It all happened. I will never be fully able to describe it, but It moved me in ways no other media managed to move me before.
I always feel like that those people that hate on TLOU part II so much just didn't get the point of the whole story on a deeper level. And I really hope that the creators and actors of the game know, that there's still many of us that appreciete the dedication and passion they've put into it. Wish I could experience this game for the first time again. There's only few games that left such a significant impact in me, but TLOU is definitely one of them.
I freakin love you man! And all the cast too! You made this game , you own the characters, they are you as much as you are them. Best effort and acting of all times.
Troy Baker as Joel is still one of the greatest performances in video game history!
Roger clark as Arthur morgan
@@Evan-k9wboth actors were amazing in their games.
@@Evan-k9wI agree man, but you can’t deny Troy’s epic performance. 💪💪 perfect games and perfect story.
@@Evan-k9w no one mentioned arthur
@@Evan-k9w "one of"
Knowing that Ashley lost her father in real life really makes the scene hit so much harder
And now Abby's actress in the show Kaitlyn Dever has lost her mother a few months before filming Season 2...
Especially since Troy and Ashley are so close, it adds so much to Joel seeing Ellie breaking down as she watches him die.
@@Kayjee17 Happily have met them both, and Laura Bailey!
The "I would do it all over again" was such an amazing touch to the ending
In other words "I would like to get paid a shit ton of money for barely appearing in the game again"
the game sucked, ND only makes remasters now
@@Ligmaballin You must live a fairly sad life.
@@Ligmaballinit’s like you didn’t watch the video?
@@mars1670 Fully no, because who cares for dog shit games? Happy for him though 👍
Nobody is a bigger fan of Ashley than Troy.
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17:48 wow I never knew that if you try to enter the shuttle without the space helmet Joel stops you that’s such a cool detail.
And this is just one of them. There are a lot of things people miss during their first playthrough.
That's the version I saw first. I was so impressed with Joel thinking about that
I have such incredible and unbridled respect for Laura Bailey, this role is rough and brutal. The threats towards her and her family are beyond unacceptable
Absolutely agree with this! No matter how I feel about Abbey as a character, I never get mad at the actors! In fact, I would actually commend them that they made the character so believable that everyone took it so personally 😂
It's not acceptable I agree but in a way it shows what a great job she did
even though it's stupid, making threats to neil makes more sense. why would you threaten an actor that had no say in the story? attacking the creator of the story makes more sense, but I don't recommend anyone doing any
That’s the funniest shit I’ve ever heard people making threats based on a video game LOL! 🤣
Neil should get the hate, he wrote a terrible character she does a great job
I dunno if Troy reads any of these comments but I absolutely love how deeply emotional he gets. I feel like he and I exist on the same wavelength, because the emotions that he feels come from deep from his core. It’s a story and he’s an actor, but you can tell that he feels everything and experiences it fully in the moment. I tear up easily as well because I can feel others pain as though it’s my own. It’s such a weird way to describe what I guess is just empathy, but it kinda goes further than that. I dunno how to fully describe it.
i'm your 90th like it was a great message
I feel this. I teared up every time he did for what I am guessing are the same reasons. Empathy is wild sometimes.
Love how much Troy cares about Ashley and Laura ❤
Baker's performance in his death scene is absolutely incredible. There is SO MUCH expression just in those grunts alone! They feel absolutely REAL. And then ofc: the delivery of, "Why don't you say whatever speech you've got rehearsed and get this over with." is just *chef's kiss*. An all-timer line.
Also: right after getting shot in the knee, Joel very clearly grumbles, "you stupid sumbitch" to himself. The subtitles don't spell it out but he unmistakably says that.
Joel had taken a calculated risk when he trusted this stranger (to go to a location that he KNOWS about, so he can avoid facing this HORDE with his dwindling stack of ammo in the middle of this intense BLIZZARD)... It clearly didn't pan out for him. And he knows now that he's made a mistake. Also: folks on patrol for Jackson have a history of saving and helping survivors they encounter. This is what Joel did when he saw Abby. I imagine that her being a young girl, not much older than Ellie, DEFINITELY played into his decision to save this survivor.
Yeah he definitely knows he's made a mistake considering he's dead 😂
Joels arc to his demise is why we love him... Why we love you bruh.. You sir, are a helluva actor.
Regardless of my complicated feelings about the story of Part 2, I have a deep respect for Troy and his passion for his craft.
You can tell he loves Joel more than any of us fans ever could. He understands the character more than any of us. He brought Joel to life, and he’ll forever have my respect for that.
If you don't like part II, you don't like good stories or movies, or maybe you didn't understand the messages behind it, which makes it so great. It's one of the best story games ever made, right up there with part I.
@@tob.meister i agree that its great but you dont have to be so condescending about your opinions
@@tob.meisterI hate how people like you think part 2 was some kind of IQ test. No we all understood the themes and overall plot of the story. That does not mean we have to like it.
@@tob.meister But, how is a story filled with plot armour and plot convenience "one of the best story games ever made"?
@@tob.meister "you don't like xyz so that means you're too dumb to understand it" do you hear yourself tob meister
I swear, Troy Baker is THE MVP when it comes to actors for video game characters. Absolutely NAILS every single role he gets!
For sure , i’m 99% positive he’ll be on the next Naughty Dog game. ( Different role ofc xd )
I'm so ready for Higgs again in DS2 next year
I still cry every time I see Joel in the last of us 2. Better acting than I’ve seen in movies and tv shows.
9:58 “it’s not good, it’s great” nah that’s facts, like he said love it or hate it I don’t think there’s a better way to tell this story
A teenager in high school could probably formulate and execute this story better LOL lets be real. It has so many flaws to be released by multi million dollar company. If an indie company released this, itd be acceptable, but AAA is meant to be like the hollywood of video games.
@@aspirationrecords send me ur script of the last of us 2 I’ll be the judge of that. You say it like it’s so easy and anyone can do it so go ahead and send over your version of the last of us 2 let’s see how it holds up against the original 😂 someone’s just salty they had to play as Abby it sounds like
@@aspirationrecords This is the most oftenly regurgitated garbge take about this game I've seen. 99/100 times its simply because you just didn't get it. You just don't get what the game is doing.
@@aspirationrecords How's the script coming along?
@@icydarko05 No, no, no. While I completely agree with your sentiment, that's letting him off the hook for his asinine comment WAY too easy! "His script for The Last of Us 2", my ass! Let's see HIS original story AND it's sequel! What a tool that guy is!!
What a humble, top dude. The Astronaut story is really cool and touching.
TLOU 2 is one of the many games I wish I could play again for the first time. The game had already been out for a few years by the time I was finally able to play, so I already knew about Joel's death, and I so wish I could play without that knowledge to really get the full effective of his death scene: the shock and horror that one of my favorite video game characters was dying right in front of me, and the terror of what that meant for Ellie going forward. Anyway, I love listening to your insight on the making of both games and watching you play Part 2 is definitely on my list of needs.
LOL WHAAT?!
@@aspirationrecords I just feel like the experience was diluted for me a little bit knowing what was going to happen to Joel. Curse of knowledge and all that.
I just hope these actors/creators of the game remember that there are people who love part 2 as much as them, it’s not all the people who hate it. It’s my favorite game, movie, book, or whatever kind of story ever
The game has one of the most vile hate communities I've seen for any piece of media, but still, it was critically acclaimed and manages to have more positive user reviews than negative which is impressive considering it still gets review/rating bombed. It's special to a lot of people and I hope they'd know that. I also think the game is going to age like fine wine. Show season 2 will come out, more people will be exposed to the series, more newcomers will play the games, and if the 3rd game delivers the same quality as its predecessors I think the 2nd game will lose its controversial tag and it'll just be considered a masterpiece trilogy.
@@Washanuga I think people were just pissed that daddy joel died and fail to see the bigger narrative.
@@Igrium Oh absolutely this is a huge factor. I know there were some who complained about "wokeness," but a bigger reason imo was just feeling they were done dirty by Joel being killed so early. I've watched over a dozen of playthroughs and so many of them almost quit or were insanely critical of the game after Joel's death. But most of those people were turned around by the end of the game and admitted that they jumped to conclusions too soon.
@user-ck9lm6xi1o I find the "this game is woke" narrative so funny for part II like part I wasn't exactly the same. You playing as Joel was the only guy in a lot of scenes, and no one had a problem with that back then. The haters talk absolute nonsense when speaking about part II, as a guy who loves movies this game is a 10/10.
@@Igrium After 7 years of waiting, being lied to in the trailer, and having such a bad way to go, no wonder people are pissed.
What even "daddy Joel" means? You act like you didn't like him. Same could be said about "Mommy Abby"
Bigger narrative? Basic revenge story, not even redemption ark.
Goddamn. I haven't watched the documentary yet for Part II, but Troy already ripped my heart out with how much this meant to him. It is just such an incredible experience; the first time is something you really can't quite put into words.
I highly recommend watching the making of Part ll; it gives such an amazing in in-depth look at the process they went through for every aspect of the game: story, setting, characters, art, gameplay.
It also shows you all the actor's reactions to the various plot points as well as the feedback to the game, Laura Bailey’s interview, in particular, was heartbreaking.
@@UncreativeHandle48 I will, but I'm currently showing my friends Part II for the first time, and I don't wanna do this without them; they are way too much invested into the story for that! Unfortunately, this moves with the pace of a snail 🥲
Don’t worry, no one has watched the documentary for Part 2 either.
The porch scene is definitely the capstone of the story to me. Something I always thought was a great detail was when he says he has no regrets, how his expression hardens with conviction. It's such a classic Joel look. While he may have softened some from his time in Jackson, or at least / especially with Ellie, you see a bit of the old Joel in that look, and I think it's a great bit of character consistency.
Gosh. The way he talks about “just looking at her” in Joel’s death scene is so powerful. Love his passion for this story and his costars
When Joel saves Abby, I was like "So this is what it's like being saved by Joel."
woah this gives me chills as in in ellie pov if only she realized the first time when joel decided to save her from fireflies, those times were what its like being saved by joel...
as in you would feel so grateful that youre saved
When Troy described everything that went into Joel’s death scene, about how he wanted to do a good job so that Ashley did not have to relive the trauma of her father’s death more than she had to, I teared up. That really got to me. Everybody did an amazing job bringing this beautiful and heartbreaking tale to life.
It's so great to hear Troy talk about this and all the behind the scenes emotions and situations. You can only appreciate these actors and the whole team
"Sometimes you gotta lose, in order to gain, because most life lessons are learned, thru pain" - Joel
Also with the Golf Scene, someone was gonna suffer. If Abby didn't finish Joel, she would have taken out Ellie or Tommy to make Joel suffer. Joel would begged to be taken instead of them.
@@negan5986nah
@@negan5986 nah not even close
@@negan5986I agree that the story was pretty disappointing but the gameplay was absolutely great you can’t deny that and even if the story is worse than the last game it doesn’t necessarily mean that the game is bad
@@negan5986prefer the first game tho
@@negan5986except we dont know why other than "joel dead bad game"
This is why i respect actors and voice actors because of stories like these and seeing how much of themselves are in these characters
I was recently watching a play through of part II and although I got emotional over it before, it hit me way harder now. Yesterday were 6 months since my dad passed away, and while he was at the hospital and even now, I did this thing where I'd go and smell his clothes. I wanted to remember his smell, that mix of cigarettes with his favorite cologne. I completely forgot Ellie did that in the game, and when I got to that scene I cried so hard. Every moment of her remembering Joel was like seeing myself and my struggle to not forget my dad. How he sounds, looks, smells, the things he does and says, I'm constantly looking at videos and photos and whoever says this game wasn't good just hasn't gone through a similar emotion to look at it on a deeper level.
2nd game is my favourite!
Troy you shine in those flashbacks every single one is so emotional
Troy Baker is one of the most talented voice-actors in the gaming industry, such a lovable and nice person!
No one could've done Joel's character better than him.
Thank you so much for making TLOU 1 and 2 one of the most memorable and amazing games ever made!
When I last Met Troy Baker we had a small chat about this game. He essentially told me he thought the story was perfect. The way he talked about it you can tell how much he loves not only this story, but the character of Joel. My friends and I said we loved the story too, seemed like he’s genuinely excited to see how much people enjoyed it, and to share that with them. Such a nice guy, hope to meet him again!
I love how Troy speak of the death of Joel and the difficulty of scene, that wa so emotional. And the way when he speak the flashback , in particulary the museum, that was great Troymade a great performance on Joel
Troy likes shaun of the dead! Probably one of my favorite comedy movies ever
Ngl whenever he said 28 Days later first, I nodded my head and went, "That's a mighty valid choice. Super solid."
Then when he said SoTD I hit a little jig of excitement and applause
When i played it on launch, i hated the game. But as time went in i realized i was just incredibly hurt about Joel. And i came to realize what an incredible story the second game gave us. Absolutely love this series
Exact same for me. Now I just feel fortunate I got to experience this story and walk through these characters lives
Same. I had to force myself through it because I hated so many decisions that they made. Came back a year or two later to get the 100%… went into it telling myself you know what to expect now. You know you didn’t like it and what about it you didn’t like. So just try to appreciate it for what it IS, not what you wish it WAS. And because of that, I actually managed to fully enjoy my grounded and permadeath runs.
The golf scene still broke me.
I skip ALL of those cutscenes whenever I replay Part II😂😂
It broke Joel too.
@@_Cetarialworst game
honestly watching it again and hearing troy talking about it, made me tear up again, made me remember watching that scene for the first time and goddamn it was a rollercoaster
Such bullshit they made joel die worst game ever fuck
From 8:45 it’s just, the pain in his voice. Favourite part of this video.
I still campaign for Abby. How can you understand Joel, and not Abby when they're so similar? Joel lost his daughter, Abby lost her dad. Joel turns to hunter tactics, Abby joined the WLF, Joel turned into a shell of himself until meeting someone who brought the light back which led to him robbing the world of a potential cure. Abby avenges her father but loses herself only to find a better her after growing with Lev. Joel didn't have to kill Marlene, and Abby didn't need to spare Ellie. That's where they differ as far as choices go. Joel's storyline followed tragedy, and Abby veered from it. Ellie learns that lesson, too, but loses Dina among other things.
Tlou2 was just as good as the first. No one deserved the hate they got for fulfilling such a vast story.
Abby is AMAZINGLY written, it's so sad that everyone hates her just for Joel. It's like they didn't even play the game.
@@freshie3109@freshie3109 did they or did the game play them. The leaks ruined this game people came into it hating it they didnt allow the game to take them on the ride and therefore fell off i saw the leaks but i said to myself im still gonna play it because i waited 8 years for it and there has to be reason why they felt the need to tell this story and i ended up loving it.
Its alot im not going to deny that but its impact just as powerful as p1 and thats all i can ask for as a fan of the game...
@@freshie3109 its a hard game to get through - emotionally
couldn’t agree with you more!! it took me a second playthrough to truly realize and understand abby’s story. she’s actually my favorite new character in part 2. my second is lev!! their story is genius, and it’s easily one of my favorite redemptions in a game i’ve experienced in a while.
Dude I’m still recovering from Mel and Owen even though IM the one that did it
I love his breakdown of the game and he is so soft spoken. He is a brilliant actor and a great person.
I absolutely LOVE this game. Narrative, gameplay and EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. Troy and Ashley did a phenomenal job (and the rest of the crew)
I just feel grateful for having the opportunity to play both part 1 & 2 and get to experience this amazing story.
well said. gratitude is exactly what i feel as well, we are beyond lucky to get to experience this story, and i am going to be forever grateful
Perfect ensemble cast!! Joel Miller is the only videogame character loss that made me cry. I now see a story about 3 traumatised people with entertwined lives and how they deal with their PTSD. I prefer to be challenged as a viewer than being served my favorite food all the time. I think life experience makes a hell of a difference too. When my sister died of cancer in 2013, about a month before the first game was out, I had to grieve her death and accept that I would never get to show her how awesome it was, as she was a great spectator of my love & passion for games. Joel's death was then easier to accept. I had to allow myself to weep a bit thinking : "Isn't my sadness a little too much?" TLoU : Part 2 is the most powerful story that I know in all media and I love stuff like 6 Feet Under or Apocalypse Now. I don't think anything will get me to the core the way this series did, outside of actual human relationships. Ashley is a magnificient actress and I deeply love Abby. How do you reconcile with characters you love, but make each other suffer? Challenging naratives elevate art. This is what happened with The Last of Us as both parts do not end well. Thanks Troy for everything!! See you in Death Stranding 2!!! I miss Kojima's work!
The way Troy Baker transports you through Jol’s eyes and his deep reasoning of saving Ellie is so amazing. The fact Jol knew this was the consequence of his own actions, but knew it was worth it is so dark with such a tragic outcome, but yet so empowering and understanding. So unfortunate Ellie had to live in that moment from a different perspective and see her life change forever.
AYYYEE! I just watched the first one and I saw in the comments they are going to have him react to part 2. So stoked to actually see it lol
LIsten to this man talking. NOBODY loves Joel more than Troy. And then I have to put up with some people saying they understand Joel better and that the game is terrible... This game is nothing but a MASTERPIECE!
Yeah and these people understand part I better than Neil Durckman... Who is also the director of the first game lmao, saying that he destroyed the first game (yeah he hates his game and the characters he created)
If this is a masterpiece, then standards must've dropped. It's an insult to storytelling and character development!
@ariefbudiman2592 In what ways?
When we leave Joel in Part 1 he's learned to love again, when we meet him again in Part 2 he's become part of a community and started working in teams, he's basically warmer and let his guard down after 6 years of happiness - he sees a girl in danger he now jumps in to help because he's trying to be a good man for Ellie - and it costs him his life.
Ellie struggles with anger and a lust for revenge costing her everything and turning her into the monster she set out to destroy, and catches herself at the last moment choosing to be the better person.
Abby goes through exactly the same arc Joel did in Part 1, giving into her demons and then finding new purpose and love, and becoming a better person as a result.
These are all very realistic and well told character arcs, you don't have to agree with them or like the overall story, but to say they're an insult to storytelling is to misunderstand the craft.
@@Deathlygunn people don't even try to understand. Most of them haven't played the game even.
@@ariefbudiman2592 What is a masterpiece in you opinion?
I pre-ordered the game and played it side by side with my best friend over PS party chat and we moved pretty much at the same time and it was one of my favorite experiences in gaming.
This game is the best ever game, story wise, and play experience. It is and will always be a masterpiece.
I’m so glad to see someone who isn’t completely shitting on a game like this. It’s amazing.
@QUANDIEGOOCH817 I'm a games player of many, many years, and I played a lot of games. None of them has a very complex, very emotional story like this game. The player gets to experience both sides. In the end, it makes you think that there's no hero and no enemy ...it is just pain and how a human being is reacting to it. The game is not only about revenge but about forgiveness, too, and it's hard. I've learnt so much from this game. It is deep. The real heroes are all the ones who participate in making this masterpiece.
My father was murdered this year back in April. I came back to him lying on the ground bleeding out. I picked him up to my knees and I started talking to him. All he could do was just look at me while he drowned on his own blood. It's never been the same since
I'm sorry for your loss
I hope your mental health is OK now
This game changed my life for the better
Worst game ever
@@negan5986 absolutely clears TWD game lol
@@negan5986 bros in every comment 💀
@@antoniobrown717frrr!! 😂😭
Imagine something that bad changing someone's life... (how poor this fella should have been)
I remember when it first released, I was pissed, this sounded terrible, I couldn't believe this is how the story was, until I watched someone platinum the game and explained the game is supposed to make you feel like awful the entire time. So I decided after that video I played pt1 and then later got pt2 a few months later to finally make my own opinion. It was fantastic, and its true I really just felt like trash the whole time and then I played as Abby and got to love her character and feel bad for all of what ellie had been doing. this is a fantastic game with a tragic story. Please don't just hate it because your favorite character died
@@AwkwardDogeE Fans of the first game who played day one waited seven years for this. It needed to fill some big shoes. Not sure if it did. Also those people knew Joel and Ellie for seven years. It's hard to let go sometimes and shouldn't be downplayed because you had a great experience.
@@blakebraswell9095 Lets be real !!! The game is like this ( man are perceived in the game as morons or killed in horrible fashion) because Blackrock started there DEI propaganda in games !!!!
@@gvibes69 I agree but I don't like to get banned for arguing with people who won't listen.
Joel is the same one who doesn't check to see if Henry and Sam have been bitten, he goes to sleep with them after having known them for just half a day. Isn't that strange for an experienced survivor like him? Isn't that out of character? In my opinion no. Joel in the first game does not always make the right choice, he is almost always saved by other characters (Tommy, Bill, Ellie, Henry). Joel is not an infallible character. The beginning of TLOU2 is perfect like this
This 👆🏻
this makes no sense, he was literally skeptical about them since he met them. when someone is bitten the side effects happen within hours, so while he was skeptical of them he was most likely looking out for that too. he fiannly starts to soften up a little on them after they save his and ellies life. In part II he steps into a room full of strangers (the middle of the room I might add) and blatantly allows his brother to give out their names
@@Jasonajd Just like the 1st game, Joel goes to a hideout with some stranger he knew just 10 minutes ago (Sam and Henry).
Henry could’ve killed Joel while he was asleep, Sam could’ve shot Joel on sight.
Things just happen and that’s life.
@@RatedRLoquender u realize we’re talking about 1 stranger right? w a kid? who he knows he could easily take on vs a room full of strangers
@@Jasonajd Oh yeah, you’re right, kids can’t commit murder, my bad.
this game took me like 3 years, multiple playthroughs and so many long discussions with friends to come appreciate just how utterly flawless it is. It's not happy conclusions that you come to, but all character actions do make sense when you understand the the horrible world the characters live in. Basically the only reason to keep living is the people you care about. So when someone takes them revenge is all you can do to deal with the loss of what can be seen as the only reason to live in this world. It applies in even enemy encounters, you'll hear someone scream their friends name as Ellie jabs her knife into them. setting them on the same path. My friends and I agree that if you played as Abby in the first game and we bonded with her and her dad, then some lunatic(Joel) killed him, we'd have the same unforgiving need for revenge. After my first playthrough, I felt very much like Ironman in civil war in that I hundred percent understood all of Abby's reasons for wanting to kill Joel but I still had an irrational rage because she killed a character I loved, i.e "I don't care he killed my mom". 5 playthroughs later and tons of refection I've come to appreciate Abby as a character. Also side note to the people who say "Joel letting his guard down is out o character. I say that is the point, as soon as Joel made it back to Jackson, he wanted to let go of the past and try and enjoy his life for the first time since Sarah. Add the fact that he's been living in relative comfort for years at this point, It all makes sense......wooooo wrote so much more than I planned to.
Lol dear god. "Flawless." Yikes. Opinions are one thing but lets not make utterly ridiculous statements like theyre fact
@@aspirationrecords agree to disagree agree my friend
This TLoU series with Troy is one of the best game dev/voice actor interviews and discussions on TH-cam! Every single videogame-adjacent thing I’ve seen Troy do has been so excellent, so wonderfully honest…so professionally entertaining!…
Many would agree that everything he’s done is decidedly among the best versions of that thing. 🤙🏼
I don’t care what anyone says, I love this story
It's such an incredible journey. The pacing may not be the best but god damn is it an emotional roller coaster. This game will be looked back on as one of the best stories ever told. I have never ugly cried so hard lmao
@@getampt22 Umm... no it won't haha
@@Ligmaballinit will be, and already is
@@bug688 Go check the reviews unless you want a reality check
@@Ligmaballin I mean you can also check the amount of awards this game got. This game was mass review bombed by certain groups, but in time will be re-evaluated when all the dust has cleared from the initial controversy
I believe that this is so incredibly beautiful, the love and admiration that Troy has for this game and the people who were involved is so special and inspiring. Especially when he talked about Laura and Ashley who are just so incredible, the fact that Laura put in so much effort and dedication into her performance even though she knew what was going to happen is such a powerful thing and I truly don’t understand how anyone can hate her.
It also really warmed my heart that he did his best so that Ashley wouldn’t have to do a retake of Joel’s death scene, so proud to live in a world where these people exist.
I was just thinking of something painful that could happen for a potential THE LAST OF US PART III... and I can base this off personal loss. My grandfather passed away 8 years ago, and as time went on, I forgot what his voice sounded like.
That could happen to Ellie, she suddenly starts to forget what Joel's voice sounded like.
I highly doubt Ellie would be able to forget him after seeing how hard the PTSD hit her all the way until the end of the game BUT I am curious to see how far you planned out your thought? Like genuinely curious!
What do you think would be the blueprint for how that game would go from start to finish?
Because I feel like Ellie is done with all the fighting (not counting self defense for her and her remaining loved ones of course), so what story driven action would be in the game? Or would it be more of a slowed-down life simulator kind of thing?
This is a good idea, but i dont think its enough to make whole 'nother game about it
@@faded3671 it's a contributing factor
I couldn’t handle one more game
What Part III will be about is something i've thought about quite a bit. The theme I keep coming back to is one where she finds a way to love herself. Which I know sounds cheesy. But the overarching theme of the entire series is love. Part I is about Joel learning to love someone again after having shut himself down due to Sarah's death. Left Behind is about Ellie's first love. And Part II is about the destructive quality of love. And Ellie as a character, as we hear in the porch seen, doesn't really care about herself much. She thinks her only real purpose in life is to just sacrifice herself for a potential cure. So, I think it'd be interesting if after Part II that Part III was a positive version of the concept of love where she's trying to find herself. Joel tells her at the end of Part I that you need to find something to fight for, and that's just something she hasn't attempted to do. Of course I have no idea what the gameplay loop for something like that would even be.
I'm not ready for the season 2 show.
Thank you so much for your amazing performances - Troy, Ashley, and Laura
I’ve always been interested in playing the Guitar. I stopped for a while cause I gave up but playing Part 2 has since reignited that interested. That Porch Scene is solidifies my whole reasoning to start again. There’s of course the first Future Days scene or the Take on Me, but Helplessly Hoping just hits different
I absolutely love Troy's vulnerability and his love for Ashley and her performance. I, too, have all these feelings, and it fills me with joy to see that the actors love their characters, the story, and every other part of this game as much as I do. Incredible. I am here with you, Troy, and crying along side you.
An absolute masterpiece in storytelling. How can such a dark story be this beautiful. 90% of the hate came absolutely from the immaturity of the gaming community. People don’t wanna be challenged, they want things black and white, simple. They don’t want to see a nuanced or critical look on characters. That is what makes this story so brave and genius at the same time. It puts real, radical and earned character growth over simple fan service.
Some of the criticism is warranted such as the pacing issues and inconsistencies.
@@paballomolata8844the pacing thing is personal taste like everything else. I played through it over a number of days, almost like I was watching a series. And I liked the ebb and flow of the story a lot. I was excited to see where it was going when we made the switch to Abby.
@@lungfulldrummer8921 That's true but it's foolish to dismiss it as "immature" like the Original commenter said. Plus the Abby storyline felt like the game was trying to hard to the players to connect with Abby and her friends. It would've been way cooler if it was revealed that the doctor Joel killed was Abby's father nearly towards the end. That would
Come on, man. THIS dismissiveness of true fans who just so happen not to like the second game is so infuriating and unfair. Y'all wax poetic about how the sequel is about love and forgiveness and mirrors of pain and Abby is sympathetic , but then turn around and in the same breath dismiss someone (like me) who is an absolute TLOU STAN, but I DON'T LIKE THE STORY PART 2 TELLS. That doesn't make me a literary illiterate. It doesn't make me immature. It doesn't make me ANY of the condescending adjectives and nouns you throw at me. Let's love the game if you love it, but don't be a hypocrite in your rush to berate everyone with a different opinion.
@@Nelson_Swamp You basically made the longer version of my initial comment
The legend. Such pain in this story. It took me a couple years to come back to this game and seeing it more clearly. Revenge, pain, loss and a cycle of destruction and maybe hope
Masterpiece in storytelling! This game haunted me for months after I finished. A big thank you to everyone involved with The Last of Us.
I love hearing the cast talk about this game… I’d love to see a video of Ashley and a video of Laura doing this too
I swear I love Troy baker for playing Joel , I would give anything that Joel doesn’t die , the last of us part 1&2 are goated games FOR SURE, but part 2 made me go nuts and crazy for killing him, this game just broke in millions of pieces
I lost my father the year before this game released. Life kind of spiraled for me from then until the pandemic. This game really helped me process that grief. Very grateful for this game.
It was the flashbacks with younger Ellie and Joel that helped me process the death of my best friend. It felt like a meditation on grief that I'll always be thankful for.
i WILL DIE ON THIS HILL: if abby did not kill joel SOMEONE ELSE WOULD HAVE he killed so many dads or moms, Abby just got there first
Idk if that’s accurate honestly.
What Joel did against the fireflies and Abby’s people was so personal and so brutal, it was a much more likely cause that that would be the thing to bite him in the ass over some random hunter or person he killed two decades ago or something small.
You also have to remember he was chilled out in Boston with Tess for a while, smuggling the supplies bill brought in. It’s not like he was out there being crazy forever.
@@magiccookies420I mean, in the first game Joel himself says multiple times that they did some pretty bad shit, and it shows in the right moments (torturing people, he knows pretty well the bandits tactics in the city, he is a really cold blooded killer)
@@magiccookies420 i'm not saying it HAS to be a revenge kill but there was a lot of people he wronged and even with tommy too when it first started, but also he could have been killed by some random getting scared and shooting on sight. no matter what i dont think joel would have ever died of old age
Not one doctor would kill the only chance at having a vaccine, They would keep doing research on her, So it was fucked up to begin with😢
Yeah, Joel’s fate was essentially a ticking time bomb. He was always going to have his past catch up to him
his voice is so soothing. hope you're well big T
This is the most amazing video ever. Troy, thank you for playing the role of all our lives truly.
The Last od us Part II broke me.... I played on release..... got to that point..... And cried for like at least an hour, had to stop gaming for a couple days. Then i came back and i cried like EVERY DAY for 2 Weeks while playing the game..... Its a brilliant game and my fav franchise
@@ewabator2124 You realize their experiences are just as valid as yours even if they hated it right? Calling people butt hurt is what leads to mindless name calling, instead of real discussion.
@@blakebraswell9095 their Feelings are valid as Long as they keep what they say in a Line. But fact ist that people creating the Game been called Out big time, got send de*th threats etc. People who dont Like the Game get super rude and im tired of it. And they would keep beeing Like that for years. Like let people Love whatever they Love and find a Hobby that you Love aß Well instead of rambeling about how you dont Like The Game... And that years later ...
Can't wait for the sea levels to rise at season 2 of the hbo series due to the amount of tears
Or global warming 👴
Both games are absolutely masterpieces
I never wanted to leave that museum flashback on my first playthrough. After crying my eyes out for Joel I wanted to spend as much of the given time with him as possible. So I was taking my time, looking at absolutely everything, I didn't want it to end. I was saying to my friend who was also playing the game on her end, "We're going to space now." This is a brilliant game. Did it squeeze all the emotions out of me and leave me just an exhausted mess? Absolutely. But I love the journey it took me on. Over the course of the game it's like my eyes were opened. And that museum part will always be one of my favorite things about it.
Joel the GOAT
8:30 such compassion, empathy. So humane! God bless you Troy! Joel, Ellie, Abby are legends!
Timing is crazy. Just finished my last of us marathon
Troy is such a talent. TLoU2 is an experience that the series could never top. Its an empathy exercise, an active one.
I feel that 19:30 made Joel’s decision all the more worth it
To me it changed it from a selfish decision (he saved her because couldn't bear to lose her) to a noble one (he would save her again even if it meant he lost her himself). He finally owned it (up til then he had lied to her to avoid paying the cost). Because he owned it and was finally honest she was able to start forgiving him. Tragically he would die the next day so they never got to fully reconcile, but he died knowing she still loved him and that was all he wanted.
The story was just perfect. You all made THE RIGHT decisions with the plot. And the true fans can’t wait for the third installment. I loved every moment of Parts 1 and 2; I lived all those emotions too. I can’t enjoy other games in the same way as TLOU - its a VERY special piece of art. You should be all proud, Troy.
This game was meant to be divisive no doubt. But i'll always say that the leaks ruined it early for the haters. They werent able to experience it firsthand. Tragic really.
It's 100% this. I can guarantee that the majority of the people who hate this game initially consumed it through leaks / got it spoiled by someone else who heard the leaks. It's a shame that such a nuanced and mature story just got watered down to "revenge bad" because we only knew the big, shocking story points back then. All the details got lost, and the gaming community was robbed of being told this story in a proper fashion
@@therealel1te284 i got leaked though.
Theres two sides people that still gave it a chance whole heartedly though they got leaked e.g engaging with the world building etc. And those who saw the story hated the story from the jump played it and couldnt get past the fact that they hated the story therefore rushed it thinking revenge is bad...
@@spyral43 @therealel1te284 I actually can speak to this personally and can tell both of you the arguments I've seen blaming the leaks for how hated the game was is just a bad excuse used to try and discredit the opinion of a large portion of fans, and for me couldn't be further from the truth. I just did my first play through of part 1 two months ago on pc. I was so immersed and invested in both the story, and even more in Ellie and Joel, that I wasted money and bought a PS5 just to play part 2. Furthermore, I NEVER saw or even heard any of the leaks when they happened, and still don't know what was really leaked. So I literally went into both games as a complete outsider, the only thing I had ever heard was that TLoU was excellent, so I gave it a try. Because of this, I had a unique experience and perception by doing my actual 1st and NG+ play through for both parts all at once. And halfway through part 2 my feelings towards the franchise quickly took a turn for the worse. The enormous plot holes and character assassinations in part 2 was actually what was tragic. I can safely say Abby's section didn't work for me, it was actually painful, and I truly hated playing her, making me dislike her more and more as her part went on. Same goes with her friends, they all sucked, I always hated them all. I think a lot had to do with how they were clearly trying to force you to end up liking/sympathizing with them way too hard trying to get the player to understand the other side, but it was so forced and corny it fails. Lev was the only well written character from that side, everyone else was very unlikable and never developed even the slightest connection to. Because of this, the game's plot completely fails, as I felt 100% justified with everyone Ellie took out. So, I absolutely lost it when Abby was ultimately freed, and became even more enraged after the flashback on the porch, knowing how close they were to fixing their relationship all for it to be ripped away by this POS I was forced to just let go?? And I'm somehow supposed to think that was right? Not only did the plot fail to make me feel anything but pure disappointment with the story's writing, I'm actually starting to notice part 1 being ruined for me, as I currently do another play through, ultimately because of just how much I hated part 2's story. And I want to also make it clear I didn't have an issue with Joel dying, I did however think it could have been done better. Joel is just done dirty in part 2 as well as ellie. And I just thought it was crazy taking the aspect solely responsible for part 1's success, being joel and ellies characters, and completely nuking, essentially ruining them.
Troy, thank you for giving us Joel.
9:45 Troy Is a Good man
I have wash that famous scene so many times and on this day I still cry
You wash it?
those Long SIGH, those damn Long SIGH man. He known too well what troy got himself into.
Damn, completed the game years ago, but just hearing Troy describing how they shot the scene got me all emotional and teared up again...
Phenomenal stuff man.
Remember sitting there for 30 minutes just stearic at the screen in shock....
Man, I can listen to troy all day telling stories in his voice. This man is just too good.
It's so cool to hear about the little details that were improvised - Baby girl gets me every time ♥
Still on Joels side, I would of tried to go about it another way, but if it were my son who was immue, find someone else, like he says. I don't know the rest of the human race, but I know my son. Also there would be no way Ellie could be the ONLY person immune. I remember hearing Neil say during the play testing, EVERY SINGLE PARENT who played, agreed, the people who didn't were like 50/50. You have to be a parent to get it, I didn't know what unconditional love was until I held my son...and if it meant I had to die later and I knew that, idc, is my son safe? Like I said, I would try to go about it in a different way. Anyway, I juat like discussing that part. Love you Troy, you'll always be Joel.❤
Also love the other actors emotions during Joels death, so many people were crying, obviously they just kept it out but how could you not?
when the death joel happened i cried, and went to hug my father, when the porch scene happend, i cried some more. i can see so many similarities between me and my dad, and joel and ellie (luckily my father never had to experience that kind of hurt, had to harden his heart like that...) so it just really hits.
O joel é um dos personagens mais completos do mundo dos games. Troy baker você tá de parabéns você deu vida à um personagem completo parabéns 👏👏👏...
Man just hearing troy baker explain everything on how they went into making this game just made me tear up and almost start balling in tears. This game is just so beautiful and forever will be one of my favorites. I'm excited for the new season on hbo but I'm also not ready to see joel go again. Pedro does an amazing job playing Joel to the point I feel as if he really is a real person
we aint forgetting about your "review" lil bro
Wilding
Cry harder, Jesus christ, you people need to grow up
@@justananomalysthu bootlicker
I'm so with him on his speech about whether or not it was the right story to tell. When I played the beginning of part 2, having avoided all the leaks, I was heartbroken, and angry, and disappointed. It wasn't the story I wanted. To me, The Last of Us was a story of love, and family, and it was a place of comfort. I wasn't ready to be faced with the depth and darkness that the second game held - but the more I let it sink in, the more I came to realize that it is in no way a bad story. In fact, it's a great one. It just wasn't necessarily the one I was hoping for.
I think, Neil got so much flag for this one because I think fans weren’t ready for this. Me as a fan, I knew this was going to come eventually because the hardcore fireflies may have wanted revenge for what Joel dis. But to address the flag, I feel fans wanted one more adventure with Joel and Ellie but this time we play as Ellie, then teased the events of part 2 at the end to make this a trilogy. He definitely could have made this a trilogy and made even bigger than it was. We as fans were divided because the story for some of us wasn’t for us. I’m not taking away what you guys performed and acted but the story was just not for everyone. For me. But I still go back because the gameplay is amazing and so much better than the first. The story still was impactful but just not the story I wanted to experience until we had one more adventure with Joel and Ellie.
I always knew Joel's death was inevitable but playing as Abby after was people's last straw
The Last of Us Part II IS my favorite game. I love it much more than Part I and will stand by it til i die.
Neegan comments be rage baiting because it was a golf club and not a wooden bat
The Last Of Us has played a pretty significant role in my life, i was 8 when it came out. I watched markiplier play it as he was releasing the videos, the next year my mom died. And my single father got custody of me, and i moved to a whole different state to live with him. One day he took me to get pizza and then took me to GameStop, i asked him to get the last of us for me and he did. I played it religiously, and went to bed watching the markiplier last of us playlist more times than i have fingers and toes, i still do as a 21 year old. As the years went on life was really hard, but the last of us always helped distract me, markipliers the last of us videos helped me sleep and brought me peace where i couldn't find any. I was 15 or 16 when part 2 came out, pop pre ordered it for me, it came out 5 days before my birthday, i had tried to stay away from the leaks that were surging on the internet but i finally couldn't take it anymore and watched angryjoes video on it, i didn't believe the leaks were real at all to be honest, after 7 years i refused to believe that things would go the way they did, but low and behold once i downloaded it, a hour into the game, he was dead. Right after Abby struck the killing blow i uninstalled the game and didn't play it for almost a year, i cant explain how hard that hit me. Now of course i eventually came back to it and beat it, but up until watching this video a part of me hated what Neil did, but after seeing this, i still hate what the hell he did. But i look at the game with a new found respect.
Neil, Troy, Ashley and Laura and the rest of the crew and cast, I will never be able to express correctly how this piece of art that is TLOU II changed me and made me feel. I'm 39 and I'm also a dad and playing this was one of the best (and worst, but I understand the intention and I'm fully with it) experience of my life. I'm tearing up just seeing the scenes here in this interview and I cannot commend enough the cast and Troy in particular with this 'reaction' for their performances. Those people are dedicated to their craft and delivered one of the best game that ever existed.
I understand why some people were divided on it, I wasn't, It completely took me in, like I was in that world when It all happened.
I will never be fully able to describe it, but It moved me in ways no other media managed to move me before.
I always feel like that those people that hate on TLOU part II so much just didn't get the point of the whole story on a deeper level. And I really hope that the creators and actors of the game know, that there's still many of us that appreciete the dedication and passion they've put into it. Wish I could experience this game for the first time again. There's only few games that left such a significant impact in me, but TLOU is definitely one of them.
24:30 Have you heard of Epic the Musical by Jorge Rivera-Herrans? It's seriously good!
Didnt expect to hear my favorite tramua musical on a video on my favorite tramua video game
I freakin love you man! And all the cast too! You made this game , you own the characters, they are you as much as you are them. Best effort and acting of all times.