When I had super tweeters in my a pillars I aimed them a little bit off axis so where they would not only bounce off the window if the window was closed but some what go outside the vehicle if the window was down it worked very well in my install for outside and inside the car
Your ear was trying to avoid high frequency sound making sound shrill and painful. At no time would sound going out the window technically sound good. You were attenuating highs be closer to level with with the rest of the range.
I have been following you on IG for a while and just subscribed to your TH-cam. these videos make me miss my old comp days in the late 80s to 90s. great videos! so much more to car audio than a amp and sub's. looking forward to more video's.
What about mounting the tweeter flat on the dash, ie straight up into the windshield? Is that ok or just a bad idea to begin with? Many oems have mounted speakers up there, making it easy to upgrade and mount an aftermarket speaker.
He shows speakers and I know both of them. And when I saw response curves I could recognize dayton RS100 just by them too haha :D Yeah... Hardcore audio fan here :D
lol I didn't recognize which speaker it was, but I really thougt it looked alot like a dayton... appearently it is??? Dayton is so much the underdog here, I have and like my Focals, there are a lot of tests, reviews, comparisons between carspeakers, but Dayton hardly ever is mentioned despite the fact they look AWESOME and seem to perform very well... for my new system I was thinking about using Dayton,
So question. What kind of decision matrix is good to think about when deciding car audio upgrades? Honestly, i have one good ear. So im not sure what kind of decisions to make or consider in speakers. Im not looking to blow a bunch of money over a decade or more to find out really. Like is dlp an option i want to consider with a low agtermarket receiver? Probably not, but stock speakers and a pair of kicker 10s...maybe. maybe that is enough, maybe aftermarket or even powered aftermarket speakers...before that, a quality receiver to prevent statis/distortion from screwing up your investment? Just a thought.
Oh damn. Were those Vifa/Tymphany XT25 ring radiator silk dome tweeters and 3" Dayton Audio midrange speakers? If so, what a coincidence because that tweeter is what I have in my doors (with the flange intact) and just yesterday, I was researching on adding a (very similar in appearance?) 3 inch/4 ohm Dayton midrange speaker, in a spot on my door panel by just cutting out the holes. and screwing them on. I'd then swap out my Skar Audio 6.5 midranges for good midbase speakers if the midranges sounded good, and maybe add 2 more 3" midranges.
OK here's a stumper... a lot of the medium to high end tweeters are very harsh and direct, maybe too direct. I wonder if it's better to redirect those off axis to take some of that sharpness out of the overly bright tweets. Just wondering! Great points on the charts though!
You should honestly just plan on testing every driver. There's not really a reliable way for the average joe to tell without some actual trial and error.
It certainly can be! I've definitely run into the phenomenon you've mentioned, and angling the tweeters slightly away from the listening position helped to smooth out the sound. I think the "harshness" you're referring to is more a function of SPL in relation to other drivers than it is the characteristics of the tweeter itself. Every driver is different, though! :)
I'm a drummer as well. Maybe our ears are so shot we can't hear high frequencies properly lol. I know all those rim shots and crashes wrecked my ears before I started wearing plugs. Good thoughts though. I'm doing a build on my pickup right now so I was fishing for ideas.
Mark, could you comment on separating mid range drivers and tweeters? I have a 71 chevelle I am working on and I am considering mounting the mids in the kick panels and the tweeters in the dash or a pillars. Does this negatively affect sq? or does it just come back to tuning still?
Im my F-150, the door grills pop right off and there's the tweeter hole along with the stock speaker(6x8). I thought I'd buy a tweeter and just stick it in. Nooo-you need to think it through, then do a dry run. Now I'm thinking: could I use that tweeter hole for a mid-range? Then mount a tweeter up on the sail. This is starting to get fun.
So I only have Coaxials (Alpine Type R 68) in my doors for a 2006 Miata with swivel tweeters. Should I try to position the tweeters directly towards me or into the foot well?
Do you have a tutorial on how to make a pillar pod from scratch that a car dont have any. I have a 1985 Isuzu Pick Up and i dont have a premade pillar in my truck. So im wondering how would i make one that would fit in my truck on the pillars??? thanks and hope there is a way to fabricate one.
On put two 8in in the passenger I have a 2002 Trailblazer Barn door but I don't know how to put them in and you tell me how to and I want to foot a 12-inch woofer in the back where is a 1 ohm amp power cap
actually, i use that beaming effect to make the sound 'centered' at both the passenger seat and driver seat. my technic is to aim the right tweeter to the right ear of the listener at the left seat, and aim the left tweeter to the left ear of the listener at the right seat. so at the one side, the loudness is reduced by beaming effect while on the other side the loudness is reduced by longer distance, and you get centered sound at both left and right seat.
Mind Made Design's - DIY since lower frequencies or omnidirectional and even lower frequencies are non directional port direction is not as important. You do gain more output having the driver aimed to the back of the car, however.
So I tried some 6.5" coaxials in the rear of my s13 (240sx hatch) and doing the towel technique I noticed a huge difference in sound quality having them pointing forwards rather than upwards into the roof/hatch. What are the thoughts of having forward facing rear speakers vs. just having them playing straight up?
Great explanation, Mark. Do you do have any recommendations regarding speaker placement for subwoofers? I know you can get more output just by moving a subwoofer box around the cargo area, so does this factor in to your decision making when planning subwoofer location? It seems like a very daunting decision, particularly when building a custom box.
Captain Buff The Third I've heard worse. A coworker of mine was telling me that he has a sound system with 10 inch tweeters in each door. Makes no sense.
Hector Perez yes one play lower frequency’s then the other. Mid bass blends with subwoofers better and play from around 60-250htz where a midrange has a higher response like 200-2500htz.
Hi I was wondering if you had any good ideas as to what to get my boyfriend for his birthday , he's really into car audio systems and is building his own and I want to get him something related to car audio but I don't know what to get because I don't want to buy something he wouldn't want or low quality
More cone surface area compared to a similar sized round subwoofer. Extra bass for you while not taking up extra real estate on the front panel of your sub box
i'm not trying to sound like a dick or mean spirited, it's a genuine question: aren't subs supposed to be felt and not heard? If that's the case, is sub axis not important or less important?
Yes and no. The frequencies a typical subwoofer plays are well within the human hearing range, so their contribution to the overall sound an audio system produces are auditory as well as tactile. That being said, as frequencies get lower, the amount of power required to maintain apparent volume goes up significantly. This greater need for power can be overcome somewhat by using a tactile transducer ("Bass Shaker"), which "tricks" the body into thinking there's more bass than there actually is. All that being said, the lower the frequency, the less directional the sound wave becomes, so where you point your sub is much less critical than where you point your mids and highs. What the original poster is referring to here is phase, more than axis. While they're mathematically a similar concept, their applications in audio is slightly different. In simplest terms, speakers can be in phase or out of phase in relation to each other--wire one speaker backwards and its sound waves cancel out the sound waves from another. Delving deeper into the science, you'll find that phase is highly variable across a frequency range, not just "in" or "out." Reflections off various surfaces further affect a speaker's phase response. There's a bunch of crazy math involved that's well beyond my (and many others') capabilities, which is why it's just easier to get ahold of some drivers and play around with positions to see where it sounds best to your ear. Sorry for the text wall! :]
Hi I was wondering if you had any good ideas as to what to get my boyfriend for his birthday , he's really into car audio systems and is building his own and I want to get him something related to car audio but I don't know what to get because I don't want to buy something he wouldn't want or low quality
The best Car audio tutorials for build and application... Keep up the Excellent work.
When I had super tweeters in my a pillars I aimed them a little bit off axis so where they would not only bounce off the window if the window was closed but some what go outside the vehicle if the window was down it worked very well in my install for outside and inside the car
Your ear was trying to avoid high frequency sound making sound shrill and painful. At no time would sound going out the window technically sound good. You were attenuating highs be closer to level with with the rest of the range.
I have been following you on IG for a while and just subscribed to your TH-cam. these videos make me miss my old comp days in the late 80s to 90s. great videos! so much more to car audio than a amp and sub's. looking forward to more video's.
What about mounting the tweeter flat on the dash, ie straight up into the windshield? Is that ok or just a bad idea to begin with? Many oems have mounted speakers up there, making it easy to upgrade and mount an aftermarket speaker.
He shows speakers and I know both of them. And when I saw response curves I could recognize dayton RS100 just by them too haha :D
Yeah... Hardcore audio fan here :D
lol I didn't recognize which speaker it was, but I really thougt it looked alot like a dayton... appearently it is???
Dayton is so much the underdog here, I have and like my Focals, there are a lot of tests, reviews, comparisons between carspeakers, but Dayton hardly ever is mentioned
despite the fact they look AWESOME and seem to perform very well...
for my new system I was thinking about using Dayton,
The updated studio looks really good.
I asked this question last video, thank you for answering it and very well I must add.
This is very helpful! I learn a lot from this channel.
On / Off Axis Response is an verry intresting subject.
glad all this info is in one nice place. enjoy these type of videos alot.
like to see a video on types of tweeter and which are best for different applications
make some tweeter pods please, that would be awesome :D
i enjoy instructional vids why because i can take that info into my future build
So question. What kind of decision matrix is good to think about when deciding car audio upgrades? Honestly, i have one good ear. So im not sure what kind of decisions to make or consider in speakers. Im not looking to blow a bunch of money over a decade or more to find out really. Like is dlp an option i want to consider with a low agtermarket receiver? Probably not, but stock speakers and a pair of kicker 10s...maybe. maybe that is enough, maybe aftermarket or even powered aftermarket speakers...before that, a quality receiver to prevent statis/distortion from screwing up your investment? Just a thought.
Off-axis response is so fun to play with, isn't it? I like your towel idea! :D
very well put! great video Mark.. thanks
What about aiming 6.5” bottom of the door speakers in a 3 way setup, would it make a difference in sound being a lower frequency speaker?
Oh damn. Were those Vifa/Tymphany XT25 ring radiator silk dome tweeters and 3" Dayton Audio midrange speakers? If so, what a coincidence because that tweeter is what I have in my doors (with the flange intact) and just yesterday, I was researching on adding a (very similar in appearance?) 3 inch/4 ohm Dayton midrange speaker, in a spot on my door panel by just cutting out the holes.
and screwing them on.
I'd then swap out my Skar Audio 6.5 midranges for good midbase speakers if the midranges sounded good, and maybe add 2 more 3" midranges.
Alejandro Alvarez i just posted asking the same. i recognized the vifa
Which capacitor should i use to blocked the bass coming out from the tweeter?
Hey Brock, check out this video here for help with that! th-cam.com/video/hscMuzfyxQ4/w-d-xo.html
OK here's a stumper... a lot of the medium to high end tweeters are very harsh and direct, maybe too direct. I wonder if it's better to redirect those off axis to take some of that sharpness out of the overly bright tweets. Just wondering! Great points on the charts though!
You should honestly just plan on testing every driver. There's not really a reliable way for the average joe to tell without some actual trial and error.
It certainly can be! I've definitely run into the phenomenon you've mentioned, and angling the tweeters slightly away from the listening position helped to smooth out the sound. I think the "harshness" you're referring to is more a function of SPL in relation to other drivers than it is the characteristics of the tweeter itself. Every driver is different, though! :)
I'm a drummer as well. Maybe our ears are so shot we can't hear high frequencies properly lol. I know all those rim shots and crashes wrecked my ears before I started wearing plugs. Good thoughts though. I'm doing a build on my pickup right now so I was fishing for ideas.
That's great Mark I had no idea that information about speakers. I'll remember that when I get my crescendo pwx 6.5 and F1 super tweeters
Mark, could you comment on separating mid range drivers and tweeters? I have a 71 chevelle I am working on and I am considering mounting the mids in the kick panels and the tweeters in the dash or a pillars. Does this negatively affect sq? or does it just come back to tuning still?
Im my F-150, the door grills pop right off and there's the tweeter hole along with the stock speaker(6x8). I thought I'd buy a tweeter and just stick it in. Nooo-you need to think it through, then do a dry run. Now I'm thinking: could I use that tweeter hole for a mid-range? Then mount a tweeter up on the sail. This is starting to get fun.
You make sound installation so easy! But how does one get the equipment u r using?
So I only have Coaxials (Alpine Type R 68) in my doors for a 2006 Miata with swivel tweeters. Should I try to position the tweeters directly towards me or into the foot well?
Do you have a tutorial on how to make a pillar pod from scratch that a car dont have any. I have a 1985 Isuzu Pick Up and i dont have a premade pillar in my truck. So im wondering how would i make one that would fit in my truck on the pillars??? thanks and hope there is a way to fabricate one.
keep up the good work Mark!!
On put two 8in in the passenger I have a 2002 Trailblazer Barn door but I don't know how to put them in and you tell me how to and I want to foot a 12-inch woofer in the back where is a 1 ohm amp power cap
good info. i like the SQ tips. all stuff i know but this is important stuff to know.
Thanks for the info!!!
Mark can we get a instructional on recessing amps or crossovers in the seat backs of the rear seats??? thanks great videos...
Another Great Video! Thanks Mark!
Super helpful! :D
actually, i use that beaming effect to make the sound 'centered' at both the passenger seat and driver seat. my technic is to aim the right tweeter to the right ear of the listener at the left seat, and aim the left tweeter to the left ear of the listener at the right seat. so at the one side, the loudness is reduced by beaming effect while on the other side the loudness is reduced by longer distance, and you get centered sound at both left and right seat.
Great video saw a familiar tweet in a cut, do you use vifas?
Do you have any experience with aperiodic enclosures or have any resources to share?
Owen Wallace google is your friend
Im gonna face it directly to my face
Nice information, How about subwoofer position?
Mind Made Design's - DIY since lower frequencies or omnidirectional and even lower frequencies are non directional port direction is not as important. You do gain more output having the driver aimed to the back of the car, however.
Depends... Experiment
So I tried some 6.5" coaxials in the rear of my s13 (240sx hatch) and doing the towel technique I noticed a huge difference in sound quality having them pointing forwards rather than upwards into the roof/hatch. What are the thoughts of having forward facing rear speakers vs. just having them playing straight up?
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Hey Mark, I was wondering how do you deal with A-Piller speaker pods that have Airbags in them?
Mount them if you want to crash and kill your unsuspecting partner
Can tweeter be used without pods?
question. I have an Eq with one input and a head unit with front, center, rear, and sub output. which one do I use or does it matter.
Front, sub may be set for lowpass
Great explanation, Mark. Do you do have any recommendations regarding speaker placement for subwoofers? I know you can get more output just by moving a subwoofer box around the cargo area, so does this factor in to your decision making when planning subwoofer location? It seems like a very daunting decision, particularly when building a custom box.
With subs you can get away without it to some extent, but if you want to have the most accurate sound you'll need to account for it.
Be sure to watch all the Sound Quality Tuning series videos here: th-cam.com/video/1Rs2ZghGXEc/w-d-xo.html
mm
dayton speakers ? :)
thanks
Can you add Turkish subtitles to your videos?
What happen to the rest of the jeep build
can you find a 3.5" with 16 or 8 omh subwoofer
Partsexpress is your best bet
Thanks you!
Captain Buff The Third I've heard worse. A coworker of mine was telling me that he has a sound system with 10 inch tweeters in each door. Makes no sense.
any different between mid ranges and mid bass?
Hector Perez yes one play lower frequency’s then the other. Mid bass blends with subwoofers better and play from around 60-250htz where a midrange has a higher response like 200-2500htz.
Hi I was wondering if you had any good ideas as to what to get my boyfriend for his birthday , he's really into car audio systems and is building his own and I want to get him something related to car audio but I don't know what to get because I don't want to buy something he wouldn't want or low quality
Totally out of subject but could u explain differences between square subs vs round???
More cone surface area compared to a similar sized round subwoofer. Extra bass for you while not taking up extra real estate on the front panel of your sub box
Why i cant find anywhere a good sound demo, from those facy expensive car audio builds? All are recorded with a phone
Now how are you supposed to time align when the components are far apart and hooked up together
@aztekkthundergod wrong
Need a dsp
peerless xt25 tweeter dayton rs woofer
so if your sub is facing back its 180° off axis
i'm not trying to sound like a dick or mean spirited, it's a genuine question: aren't subs supposed to be felt and not heard? If that's the case, is sub axis not important or less important?
I aways thought bass was multidirectional meaning it didnt matter
Yes and no. The frequencies a typical subwoofer plays are well within the human hearing range, so their contribution to the overall sound an audio system produces are auditory as well as tactile. That being said, as frequencies get lower, the amount of power required to maintain apparent volume goes up significantly. This greater need for power can be overcome somewhat by using a tactile transducer ("Bass Shaker"), which "tricks" the body into thinking there's more bass than there actually is.
All that being said, the lower the frequency, the less directional the sound wave becomes, so where you point your sub is much less critical than where you point your mids and highs.
What the original poster is referring to here is phase, more than axis. While they're mathematically a similar concept, their applications in audio is slightly different. In simplest terms, speakers can be in phase or out of phase in relation to each other--wire one speaker backwards and its sound waves cancel out the sound waves from another. Delving deeper into the science, you'll find that phase is highly variable across a frequency range, not just "in" or "out." Reflections off various surfaces further affect a speaker's phase response.
There's a bunch of crazy math involved that's well beyond my (and many others') capabilities, which is why it's just easier to get ahold of some drivers and play around with positions to see where it sounds best to your ear.
Sorry for the text wall! :]
+rhkips thanks for the explanation! cleared it up for me
***** Why the hate? he explained it really well
Off axis always sounds more natural to me. On axis sounds too piercing to me
No I've never had to do that
You don't care for tweeters that swivel? I like them.
wheres the jeep project?
👈😎👉👍
using "actually" too much, just sayin...
Hi I was wondering if you had any good ideas as to what to get my boyfriend for his birthday , he's really into car audio systems and is building his own and I want to get him something related to car audio but I don't know what to get because I don't want to buy something he wouldn't want or low quality