I have to admit people who want to tune their system if they haven’t watched this pro guy’s video they don’t know what they going to miss and after watching all the 5 ways system Setup videos you wont believe you did your own system setup sound I bet you you never heard the output will come from your system thanks a lot sir giving such so much off your time for free of cost I owe you big time the knowledge I have gained watching your videos I’m still watching them over an over like maybe I have missed anything I don’t wana miss any single point such a nicely detailed explanation for each and every aspect of the whole process once again thanks so much for all the effort you have done to teaching new people like me who wants to learn god bless you thank god we have people like you in the world
Thank you so much for making these videos.... For someone like me who doesnt know anyone who is running SQ its very hard to get a vision of how i am supposed to measure , setup, look for, and tune.... Very much appreciated and please keep making these videos
Would have liked to see both sides combined frequency response results. Then I think you could really see how the reflections effect the response. 🤷♂️ Great video though! Really appreciate the effort to help us CAR audiophiles! Keep up the great content!👍
Past experience suggests aiming both tweeters at the interior side of your headrest. The reason for this aiming is due to on and off axis performance of your tweeters. Tweeters beam there sound/are more directional so off axis drop-off occurs. The far side tweeter should be aimed for on axis results, while the near field tweeter is off axis, but supported by window reflections , therefore the typical dip that occurs from being off axis is then supported by the reflections from the near field window. This results with the far tweeter being on axis with minimal driver side window reflections, and the near field tweeter being off axis(with the degradation is SPL) but with the window reflections building the SPL back up. Of course this is frequency/tweeter/environment/etc dependent as well. Maybe this can help Provide a starting point for someone getting started in car audio.
Great experiment, you don't know how many times I begin to mount tweeters only to be like should I settle for different aiming or just go for the look. Andy at Audiofrog says put tweeters on axis and you pretty much backed that up and to me i feel i get all information that way out of the tweeters. Appreciate all your great work
Some actual scientific aiming other than theory. I aimed my tweeters towards the dome light, in pods (which also contain my mids) in the dash corners, and are within 15 degrees of axis for both front seats. I'm making new pods now (old ones didn't turn out a nice looking as I hoped) an I'll use some of your methods to aim the speakers for them. Thanks. I want to test Mids, on axis vs flat aiming up at the windshield, and tweeters in the pillars shooting right across the car, like some do and OEM do often)
man this is very interesting info you give us. Thank you! I will soon be making custom A-pillars for my polo and I wondered where to aim. Thought to aim the roof in the center initially.
I've been looking for a similar way to mount and aim tweeters, this is like, perfect! Can I ask where you got those 360 swivels? what brand? I'm looking for ones that are as small as possible, I found some 32mm, but I wish it was about 13 mm shorter.. :D
Try temporary mount tweeters higher (probably that's why you have dip 7-8k), and try to aim them between headrest. Second option try both to aim to left ear. Did you buy umik1?
So highest response wins because.... my take: more direct to room ratio. SBIR and where you perceive the source to be in LR space will affect your stage presentation of realism. So sometimes mainly driver side pointing a tad into the cabin reduces SBIR. Ps SBIR does show up in REW, looked a bit like comb filtering. It manifest as positional drift in where you think you hear a frequency come from. Can realy observe this by solo tweeter with slow bandpassed filter sweeps. Cheers - good vid.
Hi @raw-cat. Do you think that looking at the spectral decay graph would help with driver aiming? Since reflections affect what we hear, aiming drivers to minimize reflections maybe a useful.
@@RAW-CAt thank you for your reply. i dont know what beaming frequency is. i listen to a lot of reggae music. and usually on my pc system, i have the opposite of smile curve in my eq. bass is compulsory, mid where all the main instruments like from drums to sax trump guitars must come out. and the highs are always turned down. its like there is sunlight at noon and at evening. the evening sunlight is bright but barrable, not dark at all. while noon sunlight will cook ya. so bass up mid up highs moderately down.
The height is being perceived by the listener based on the reflections and the car interior, it has less to do with aiming. You can have your tweeters in the doors and still perceive the stage on top of the dash. Humans are pretty bad at determining the height of the sound as there is no built in mechanism in our heads to do that.
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I have to admit people who want to tune their system if they haven’t watched this pro guy’s video they don’t know what they going to miss and after watching all the 5 ways system Setup videos you wont believe you did your own system setup sound I bet you you never heard the output will come from your system thanks a lot sir giving such so much off your time for free of cost I owe you big time the knowledge I have gained watching your videos I’m still watching them over an over like maybe I have missed anything I don’t wana miss any single point such a nicely detailed explanation for each and every aspect of the whole process once again thanks so much for all the effort you have done to teaching new people like me who wants to learn god bless you thank god we have people like you in the world
Please please please use punctuation marks
Thank you so much for making these videos.... For someone like me who doesnt know anyone who is running SQ its very hard to get a vision of how i am supposed to measure , setup, look for, and tune.... Very much appreciated and please keep making these videos
Would have liked to see both sides combined frequency response results. Then I think you could really see how the reflections effect the response. 🤷♂️ Great video though! Really appreciate the effort to help us CAR audiophiles! Keep up the great content!👍
Past experience suggests aiming both tweeters at the interior side of your headrest. The reason for this aiming is due to on and off axis performance of your tweeters. Tweeters beam there sound/are more directional so off axis drop-off occurs. The far side tweeter should be aimed for on axis results, while the near field tweeter is off axis, but supported by window reflections , therefore the typical dip that occurs from being off axis is then supported by the reflections from the near field window. This results with the far tweeter being on axis with minimal driver side window reflections, and the near field tweeter being off axis(with the degradation is SPL) but with the window reflections building the SPL back up. Of course this is frequency/tweeter/environment/etc dependent as well. Maybe this can help
Provide a starting point for someone getting started in car audio.
Great experiment, you don't know how many times I begin to mount tweeters only to be like should I settle for different aiming or just go for the look. Andy at Audiofrog says put tweeters on axis and you pretty much backed that up and to me i feel i get all information that way out of the tweeters. Appreciate all your great work
Some actual scientific aiming other than theory.
I aimed my tweeters towards the dome light, in pods (which also contain my mids) in the dash corners, and are within 15 degrees of axis for both front seats. I'm making new pods now (old ones didn't turn out a nice looking as I hoped) an I'll use some of your methods to aim the speakers for them. Thanks.
I want to test Mids, on axis vs flat aiming up at the windshield, and tweeters in the pillars shooting right across the car, like some do and OEM do often)
As far as midrange I would rather have the extra db off the glass but I like also getting the direct on axis information from my mids.
man this is very interesting info you give us. Thank you! I will soon be making custom A-pillars for my polo and I wondered where to aim. Thought to aim the roof in the center initially.
Interesting, I have cups ordered to do the same type experiment with both the tweeter and mids. With a swivel mount for all four cups.
I've been looking for a similar way to mount and aim tweeters, this is like, perfect! Can I ask where you got those 360 swivels? what brand? I'm looking for ones that are as small as possible, I found some 32mm, but I wish it was about 13 mm shorter.. :D
Try temporary mount tweeters higher (probably that's why you have dip 7-8k), and try to aim them between headrest. Second option try both to aim to left ear. Did you buy umik1?
So highest response wins because.... my take: more direct to room ratio.
SBIR and where you perceive the source to be in LR space will affect your stage presentation of realism. So sometimes mainly driver side pointing a tad into the cabin reduces SBIR.
Ps SBIR does show up in REW, looked a bit like comb filtering. It manifest as positional drift in where you think you hear a frequency come from. Can realy observe this by solo tweeter with slow bandpassed filter sweeps.
Cheers - good vid.
@@RAW-CAt side boundary interference response
@@sqcaraudioProfessor SQ the left and right school these guys haha im not surprised at all to be finding you here 😀
Thank you really much making these videos.
Testing Testing Testing. Good way to learn for sure.
@@RAW-CAt
I agree. Sometimes theories and computer simulation are not the same as testing real world response. Same with subwoofer boxes.
Hi @raw-cat. Do you think that looking at the spectral decay graph would help with driver aiming? Since reflections affect what we hear, aiming drivers to minimize reflections maybe a useful.
Spectral decay is not needed for that, RTA shows all the reflections.
@@RAW-CAt how do you separate the reflective sound from the sound originating from the speaker?
@@edoubleist using a gated sweep measurement.
Does it apply to the midrange as well? Like mid and tweeter both in a pilller both facing headrest? Thank for kind work you r doing
@@RAW-CAt thank you for your reply. i dont know what beaming frequency is. i listen to a lot of reggae music. and usually on my pc system, i have the opposite of smile curve in my eq. bass is compulsory, mid where all the main instruments like from drums to sax trump guitars must come out. and the highs are always turned down. its like there is sunlight at noon and at evening. the evening sunlight is bright but barrable, not dark at all. while noon sunlight will cook ya. so bass up mid up highs moderately down.
Do you have a link for the lil mount you used to screw into the a pillar
Can't find the original listing , but something like this:
a.aliexpress.com/_EHPYsGb
@@RAW-CAt thank you!
now do this midranges :)
It’s really necessary to position the tweeter and mids with the laser pointer?
No it is not. The purpose of this video was to show how aiming affects the RTA.
Prob a dumb question but are both pointed to your headrest or is passengers pointed to the passenger headrest?
I choose both pointing at the driver.
Hey 
where do you think a good laser is shot?
Wow! You have a face!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Love your videos, love your work!
nice but i cant see exactly how u set up ur mic?
I use a moving microphone technique.
Where to aim for a high soundstaging?
The height is being perceived by the listener based on the reflections and the car interior, it has less to do with aiming. You can have your tweeters in the doors and still perceive the stage on top of the dash. Humans are pretty bad at determining the height of the sound as there is no built in mechanism in our heads to do that.
Reflection might be better shown with the waterfall diagram...
Really? How is that? Waterfall shows ringing and resonances, that is frequency over time. RTA shows reflections as cancelations due to phase shift.
Bro, which part of England speaks like you?
No one talks like me😁 I'm an imigrant that learned english from american cartoons🤦
@@RAW-CAthahaha me speaking to myself reading that comment of yours, “I like this guy already subbed”! 😄