No no no. You got it all wrong. The Night King raised them remember? Duuuhhhh. Then Daenarys explained to them in plain Dothraki why their lives would be much improved if they renounced their Night Kingy ways and came back to the flock. You have to read the expanded universe to understand the nuance.
@@marcuskurze9759 Personally, I hope the ending is considerably different from the show. And in all honesty, I actually would like for it to be a happy ending, at least happy in comparison to the show's ending. I know George R.R. Martin wanted a bittersweet ending, but with the lackluster ending we got with the show, a happy ending would be more welcome.
@@JakegothicsnakeI am open for surprises.It can hardly be more bitter than the ending in the Show.Some minor things would aready make it better so lets wait and see.
Imagine being paid millions to write the most successful tv show of all time, and using, “she just king of forgot” as reasoning for anything a primary character would or would not do in one of the most important episodes of said show.
@@fatallyfatcat5274 yeah fanfiction surely has a lot more knowledge and passion in it... you can see these guys didn't really care about the show at all, just about their success and inflated egos
@@thesaltydawg8386 they really didn't though. I watched an interview where they got asked by a fan who their favorite non POV character was and they said Sam Tarly (who is one, obviously) :D
I remember watching that and literally throwing the water bottle I was drinking at the TV. My gf at the time asked me why and I blew up saying they’ve ruined the show. Would’ve been one of the greatest shows ever had they just stuck to George’s plan. Can’t wait for the books
Girl power !!!!!! 15 year little girl kills the strongest creature in the universe. Its honestly disgusting more and more everytime you rewatch anything from s5-8
@@madamebkrt They "backed off" because they didn't have enoughtime for their 3 Netflix series.... In other words.... They got kicked off for their bad writing and they didn't want to embarrass themselves with the truth.... Lol!!
It's funny that they submitted themselves for the Emmys in the categories best writer and best script, even after the fan backlash. How arrogant can you be lol
Dumb and Dumber talked about how they didn't want to be "predictable" when they picked Arya to kill the Night King, and GRRM has warned against this too: something along the lines of "if you have a murder mystery, and you've planned the story until the big reveal where the butler did it, but people start guessing it was the butler, and you want to surprise them by saying that it was actually the chamberlain, then you've just ruined your entire work". It applies perfectly here
Infinite GB that had me SO MAD. like bro. Seems to me like if you knew about this then you knew about a whole lot of shit. Shit that could have made things different
If he knew it would happen then he knew about all those who would die and so didn’t give a shit about innocents dying. So yeah, perfect choice to rule the people lol
HBO: "You're positive you don't want an extra $5 million an episode in case you go over budget?" Dumb & Dumber: "Na brah. It's all good brah. We got this." HBO: "You're sure you don't want 10 episodes, or extra seasons? We can put the main cast on 4 season contract extensions. They don't mind. I mean some of them are fans of the books, and even GRRM suggested that this show go 12 seasons, along with a prequel series to go with it." Dumb & Dumber: "Nah brah. 6 good brah. Subvert them brah." HBO: "OK, but the idea was that the two shows would alternate every year, giving both series 2 years to film a season, since the budgets are so big." Dumb & Dumber: "Save time and money brah. They spend too much on catering brah. You know how fast ice cream melts in the desert brah? 'S bad brah."
@Leon Russell Extreme accuracy? No sir, you are mistaken. Euron was the captain of an Aegis guided missile cruiser. VFX guys didn't get the memo and used the asset of an old ship instead. That's the only explanation.
The worst thing about season 8 is that I would have loved to see Danny have reasons and time to develop a certain madness, but not in the course of one fucking episode! It would take at least a whole season to make it feasible
@@lukebullen705 I do juggle which was worse, the way the Night King is defeated in that one episode and how bad that episode was as a whole. Or Danny in episode 5 of the series just going 'welp I am evil now' and the show actually trying to make us feel sympathy for Cersei... uh NO!
I’m so annoyed with people complaining about Dany’s arc. Her ending is about the only one that makes sense and they were certain clues that definitely showed her arrogance and thirst for power had grown. Power is the root of all evil. Power corrupts all. Like these are typical story tropes for a reason, Dany didn’t need more fleshing out for being mad, especially when her dad was the mad king (no doubt some form of bipolar disorder). But Jon, he was absolutely robbed. You don’t build a character arc to make him Azor Ahai, resurrect him like he’s some god like figure with some long game purpose, add all of these clues just to later confirm he is indeed the true heir to the iron throne, just to completely plow through all of that and dismantle and erase his character development, sending him back over the wall, where he began as an insecure, self deprecating “bastard.”
Honestly. Better ending with less effort, while providing a scenario to maybe later pick up on. People from Essos wondering why the trade stopped, wights brought over on ships etc. But most importantly people also wouldn't shut up about that kind of ending.
I WANTED THAT. I wanted everyone at winterfell to either die or retreat into hiding. We’d lose important characters like Jorah Mormont and Berix Dondarion and Tormund, for sure but we’d GAIN a better story with higher stakes when both the dead AND Daenerys want to sack Kings Landing and then you could have had Cersei finally have a use for the wildfire, scarce as it was after she blew up the sept of Baelor. I think if only they decided to make a “Zombie” apocalypse style for the 8th season and then did a 9th season we could finally see characters like Jaime get redeemed, Cersei could even get redeemed or kill herself, Danearys could slowly lose her mind as time went on leading to Jon having to sacrifice her for the good fo the realm, and then instead of throwing Jon in prison we coule have seen Jon become the king of the seven kingdoms and lead the people out of darkness but also give the crown to bran knowing he’ll be well guarded as he retreated to the north for the rest of his days. Sansa could have had many kore good moments in the end commanding her forces, Arya could still have played a part in killing the Night King, or maybe she and Jon could have done it together. I could think of many great possible outcomes this show potentially had.
Jon forgot that horses exist when he went north of the wall to search for a wight, Dany forgot that she's NOT her father, Jamie (and apparently even Cercei) forgot that Cercei paid Bronn to kill him and Tyrion, Dany and Greyworm forgot every shred of kindness and decency that Missandei inspired in them, Tyrion forgot how to be smart, clever, or even mildly competent, Arya forgot all of her faceless man skills, Bronn forgot to even be around when anything important happens, Bran forgot that he is too withdrawn from the world to rule Winterfell, let alone the 7(6) Kingdoms, The North forgot that their king was imprisoned in Kings Landing by a foreign invading army with no king or queen to lead it, Sansa forgot that whether Jon or Bran sits on the throne there is no way in hell the North should be seperate from the other 6 kingdoms as you either have the crowned king of the north OR the oldest male Stark on the throne which means both have a better claim to the North than Sansa ever did or ever will, the Night King forgot that he is supposed to be the big bad for the whole show and not just a minor enemy dispatched early in the season, The Golden Horde forgot to be worth a shit (forgot their Elephants too), Jon forgot to pet Ghost, Jon, Dany, Tyrion, and Cercei all forgot that you put your army BEHIND your walls, not in front of them, Varys forgot he's supposed to be the best spymaster in the world, Scorpion ballistas forgot to not be utterly ridiculous plot devices in s8e4 and then forgot how to work at all in s8e5, .........It just never ends.
The two lines that really make me barf like a chicken: "Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet..." and "Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?" those quotes will go down in INFAMY
They defenitely did, I mean I already knew all of the things mentioned except the one with George R Martin foreshadowing how unfounded "subverting" can ruin a series, my hate percentage defenitely increased after that
Daenerys forgetting about the iron fleet was infuriating, but when you showed the clips of everyone reminding her I just died laughing at how stupid this show has become.
@@JayCity10 She didn't forget about the fleet. They were supposed to be in the iron islands as Euron acted like a coward and he said he's taking the iron fleet to the iron islands when he saw the undead fighter in King's Landing. Euron and Cersei deceived Daenerys and her people and that's why the fleet surprised her. But the dumbass at 3:59 probably forgot what they wrote and he said Dany forgot hahaha :D :D
@@diavolo23231 and jaime literally told her thats not the case when he arrived...and then her advisors who have spies everywhere reminded her about it....
@@kritikanchan9313 Yeah, if it is clear enough weather for them to see and hit her dragon, it is clear enough that she can spot them about half an hour before she even flies into range of them.
The second (and last ever) time I watched the ending, after acceptance had set in... wow she fucking nailed that throneroom scene. I was in anticipatory tears the whole time,
Honestly I didn't like her character very much. Too self-righteous and pretentious. Had a god complex and it was so bad she made herself look unlikeable even after freeing slaves.
@@Alpha1918 blame d&d in the books she’s very humble and sweet but still very lonely and sad. They were trying to hard on her badass moments and that’s why her arc got ruined they took so much of her story and her characterization out because they didn’t read the books
Arya had nothing to do with the night king. It’s like if Tormund killed Cersei. We know tormund can fight like Arya. Yeah it would be unexpected but it wouldn’t make sense narratively.
True. Only one besides Jon would could have realistically killed the NK was Davos (Reborn Amidst Salt and Smoke and Woke a Dragon out of Stone with Advicing Stannis to go North).
Arya got to avenge many deaths over the course of the series. She took down Littlefinger (along with Sansa), the entire Frey house, Meryn Trant, the Waif, Polliver, and probably some one else I'm forgetting. Jon was completely set up as the one to take on the Night King. It should've been his kill. I would've been okay with Arya helping him do it, but he should've been the one with the final blow.
D&D love Maisie and Arya as a stand alone person and character , they did it for her to have an epic scene. I swear that’s what drove them, not to make sense for the overall storyline or plot. Same with hooking her up with Gendry. I mean I loved it but it was rushed and unsatisfying.
You wanna hate D&D more.... Emilia Clarke was lied to about Daenerys burning the city...she was thinking that Dany will burn only the red keep triggering the wildfires inside ( that was the part of the original script which was altered at the last moment)...Emilia didn't know until the première where she watched it with 40 fans who donated for her charity and got herself embarrassed
@@Iamzani I am so looking forward to it as a fan of both the show and Emilia Clarke....dragon demands and anomaly inc have been voicing out against the injustice done to her...every fan of GOT,Daenerys and Emilia needs to know this...
Yeah it is a poor excuse. If they had filmed it better. Like Euron ambushing them on sea is totally possible. I mean he is the best and most experienced Admiral in Westeros after all. But you could do a better job telling the story. Like him hiding on fishing ships to just reveal their weapons when it is already too late or him activly avoiding line of sight and so on. But like that it is just sad....
"Why do you think I came all this way?" If he would have stood up and started dancing or turned into a bird and flown away that would have redeemed the season for me.
HOW TO HATE D&D/SEASON 8 EVEN MORE: 1.) Make the issue of Jon Snow's parentage -- central to the story for seven seasons -- meaningless. 2.) Make prophecies about Jon Snow being the "Prince Who Was Promised" or "Azor Ahai" meaningless. 3.) Make Jon Snow an unimportant background character who says "...but she's my queen" and "I don't want it." 4.) Make Dany go from valiant hero to mad queen over the course of one episode. 5.) Toss aside years of character building for no actual payoff (we're looking at Jaime, Sansa, Tyrion, Bran, etc.). 6.) Make Greyworm into, well, a whiny dimwit. 7.) Fundamentally change Bran's personality and character from Season 6 to Season 7 and then make him the King in Season 8. 8.) Make the "Long Night" last, well, a single night (or, at best, the amount of time that it takes to travel from the Wall to Winterfell). 9.) Turn the Golden Company into meaningless dragon fodder. 10.) Turn Euron Greyjoy into a stupid madman. 11.) Kill off a dragon by somehow not being able to see a ship or flying arrows. The next battle, have the dragon avoid thousands of flying arrows. 12.) Make Bronn the "Master of Coin."
Make Bronn Lord of Highgarden ffs As if the nobility of the Reach would accept a former sellsword as their Lord Paramount, considering some of them struggled even with the Tyrells' leadership, seeing them as upjumped stewards
This is the best summary so far 13. All prophecies heard for nothing ?! 14. bring a wight to kingslanding for nothing (waste of screen Time) 15. make Tyrion - the smartest charakter- stupid for the last season ...
@@yousoundweird4771 not just the last season... Also bringing the wight to king's landing was season 7, the season 6 finale was the last memorable episode they made.
ton because his older brother would get the family name and tittle. Not Sam. Sam was only sent because he wasn’t a fighter like his dad. And by him being the eldest he would get everything when his father dies. Old world stuff. The roadway gets everything. Only if it’s a boy.
@@eijiniizuma6184 he updated his blog recently to say he should be finished Winds of Winter next year. Also, he left in season 4 so anything from there on out was purely on D&D
@@arvi8843 George has no idea how to end his series and given the disaster that was the live action adaptation it appears as though everything he setup was for nothing I have no interest in continuing to support his work hes lost in a sea of muddled narrative
@@eijiniizuma6184 A lot of people stopped watching when there is no more source material, so yeah for sure he'll benefit off if it. GRR may or may not finish the books since if he is really focused on that and not other novels or gigs like House of Dragon, he'd have more time to write the book. Maybe he's burnout already or lacks motivation because he's already rich. Wahahaha I don't know.
@firstname lastname I know they should have passed the torch once they lost intrest in the series but they wanted all the credit. Now they got all the blam lmao they did a walder Frey on us
@@stewartmcminn7773 my god bruh i cant imagine what we're missing out on i wish there was a way to continue the show with season 8 being someones false vision
I don't blame them for not doing 12 episodes. They knew they can't pull it off much longer. They ran out of idea. Killing it early at least would make it much more forgivable considering if they did 12 mediocre episodes with immature dialogue. What happened to more sophisticated lines??
There was so much wrong with that. Dorne had been fighting for independence from the throne for centuries. But they're cool with the heir of Winterfell taking the Iron Throne, whilst Winterfell itself is granted the freedom to operate as it's own independent nation. BULLSHIIIIIIIT! Just bad writing
Actually for him to be a political schemer all along is less bullshit than it being for a dramatic reason. That part actually makes sense, he didn't do much throughout because he had seen what happens, and didn't want to ruin the trajectory of events so that he DOES end up powerful.
@@Jm649 brienne the greatest warrior got beaten by an girl the night king so easy destroyed with her teleporting skill she got almost every best moments she should have died atleast 6 times
@@deathlike13 Yes I agree. The NK was able to bring down a whole dragon with one spear, yet wasn't able to snap the neck of a small girl whilst catching her in mid air? The whole WW arc is a travesty of story telling in general tbh....Sad
To be fair, Jon did do a little more than simply ride one. It's like comparing riding on a wild stallion as the passenger and riding as the person commanding the stallion.
What irritates me most about that one is that there was literally NO NEED for Tormund's praising of Jon in that scene to have anything whatsoever to do with the dragon riding! Like... Jon had genuinely done tons of amazing sh*t that was all his own, and Tormund absolutely would have gushed about him that way no matter what, so why focus it around the ONE thing that was first and foremost Daenerys' thing!? What, like it would be too much of a stretch to suggest that Dany could start feeling jealous and insecure about Jon being loved based on his actual, well-earned merit? All it did to have it be about the dragon riding was give credence to the Dany fans who like to claim that "Jon got all the credit and did nothing while Dany did everything"- which simply isn't the case whatsoever, so why suddenly MAKE it the case as if Tormund couldn't have far more realistically just gushed about everything Jon had done for the North and the Free Folk? And yes, it also would have made a lot more sense anyway given that Tormund had in fact ridden on Drogon before himself.
@@stephaniel2850 Tormund didn't ride it.. he was just a passenger.. but yeah that scene was stupid af. Cuz he saw dany riding drogon and saving all of them while burning the "zombies" but he didn't say anything about that. But when dany allows jon to ride a dragon, suddenly jon becomes "King of the seven kingdoms" material for tormund. Stupid writing if u ask me.
He was way too busy with the very important business of screaming at a dragon to be involved in the defeat of the Night King in any meaningful way. Besides, you obviously don't need him there to help out when Arya can sneak past a closed ring of White Walkers and launch herself as if she's been fired from a gigantic sling shot. What a goddamn travesty this show turned out to be.
If Arya HAD to kill him. Have Jon fight the NK, in a well structured fight scene slowly driving him away from Bran. We just about hear Bran mutter "he's better than you." Jon is knocked down and Arya leaps in with a Tower of Joy callback to finish the fight.
Season 8 doesn't exist. It is so shity that D&D should be ashamed for what they did to this show. To think that we waited 2 years for it. Baffling. For me GoT ended in season 6.
I like to think to myself that after he destroyed the Wall that the Night King just marched south and killed everyone. And then he sat on the throne himself. The end.
yeah, if I showed up in their homes, tied them up, beat them senseless, and took a shit in their mouths I'm sure that would be unexpected, so by their logic it would be just fine for me to do that.
Do I think Hermione was skilled enought to kill Voldemort given the task? Yes. The same for Arya and the Night King. Does that mean they should abandon years and several books of build up and foreshadowing to do that? Of course not that would be ludicrous.
Naa the Visuals could be better. I mean look at lotr. It's like 20 years old and the visuals are still better. Thats a bit sad. And the music in Lord of the Rings is better. My opinion
Actually HBO tried toget D&D to go for at least 10 seasons but Dumass & Dipshit were too busy running out the door for those big Star Wars bucks. The fact that even in the abortion that was seasons 7&8 the actors ,cinematagrophers, CGI specialists and wardrobe and crafts were at such a high caliber prove that the destruction of what should have been telivisions greateset series was the work of two A-holes. When the next Star Wars comes out written by these two let's show them the North isn't the only ones that remember!
Helm’s Deep is hands down my favorite LOTR battle scene. I’ve seen it over 100 times and it NEVER gets old. Ever. D&D just didn’t care about their project anymore but were too selfish to hand it off to someone who would care.
They completely destroyed a franchise that could have spawned more sequels, merchandising, video games and maybe even a movie or three. I’m sure George R.R. is as pissed as anyone.
kesayo not for anything but George doesn’t have the right to be pissed. He didn’t finish the books. Anything that happened in the TV series is his fault. Should’ve finished what he started.
Dylan Kane that’s stupid. Do you know how big those 5 books are? There’s enough material there for them to have kept using but they instead chose to rush.
@@firstlast2632 Meanwhile the lazy Tolkien is knowned for a minuscule book and only 3 big books wrote in 12 years , and didn't even finish the prequel (Silmarillion).I can't believe this people read with their brain.
Every little thing wrong with this season makes me so angry. Nothing will ever touch Breaking Bad. Nice try Dan and Dave, comparing their shit show to BB, A or A+. WAFJ
@@karenm9170 Up until season 5-6, GoT was neck on neck with BB, i'd argue it actually trumped it at some point. BB did one thing better in my opinion: It actually delivered an ending worthy of rememberance. Also, i'll give extra points to Gilligan for coming up with the BB story instead of adapting a series of books and turning them into a show. However, BB plot moved at an extremely slow pace and apart from the dialogue/interactions between the characters, nothing breathtaking happened. Is there really any BB moment that can compare to the Blackwater Bay battle when it comes to visuals, atmosphere, backstory etc? I'd say no but feel free to prove me wrong, i'll be more than happy.
@@VelocityReviews Vikings went to shit somewhere around season 4, more or less when Ragnar started getting addicted on some Chinese drug. It only went downhills from there imo, including everyone starting to *TaLk-LiKE-rAg-NaR-bE-CaUsE-WeRe-EdgY-vi-KiNgS.* I loved the show, it was my favorite, I rewatched early seasons many times. But they broke my heart.
@dodo2208 She's didn't randomly decided to go out flying, she was going home. Plus she wasn't alone; Like all her counselors suddenly forgot about the fleet ? Bullshit.
well she still knew they existed but not at this particular place she was flying over with her air unit because she was careless and happy and enthusi ..xhashhahfhfhfhfh sorry I just can't hhahaha
With the Missandei name thing, they also continuously pronounce Catelyn like Kaitlyn instead of Cat-lyn even though it's said multiple times in the show, with characters even calling her Cat (not Kate) and they are the PRODUCERS
There are random clips of them now just being straight up disrespectful and acting like they know nothing and don't care about the show waaay before they destroyed it. I'd like a thriller about evil producers who take a man's work and produce it masterfully at first and then halfway through turn it into a nightmare, because it's actually bizarre and makes no sense. It's like they started to hate the fans, show, and story. Weirdos
I’m sure someone else has already said this, but Bran was the bad guy all along. He manipulated events the entire time with his powers so he could become king. Bran is immortal since he can warg into other people. It’s also established he can affect the past because of Hodor. And at the end Bran goes searching for Drogon so he can have a weapon of mass destruction. Bran was literally the Palpatine of GoT.
Same thing with calling Gendry Rivers. If he would have been an acknowledged bastard he would have been "Waters" not "Rivers". I can actually laugh about most of these things now but there is one dialoge I can't really forgive and that is Jaimes "I never cared about the innocent".
What pissed me of was that D&D called all of the dissatisfied fans "toxic fandom" and said things like "people are mad because they didn't get the ending they wanted", it is so frustrating to see the share lack of responsibility these guys feel for completely destroying the legacy of such an amazing artwork. The fact the they completely disregard valid points fans make about giant plot holes in the last season and shift blame back to the fans is so ridiculously immature. How about acknowledging that this "toxic fandom" made you rich in the first place and you owe them at least as little as some respect. Damn... its been almost 2 years and I'm still mad
they clearly did not have a lot of confidence in their battle, they must have thought that we would say something like "this has been done before but better"
Well, not everyone is into action to begin with. It's obvious there are people who were likely bored during Helm's Deep and any other battle sequence. The draw of GOT was never battles, after all. That said, they're not wrong about that... in a general sense. Yes, really long battles absolutely can get boring... if you as a writer fail to give them the stakes they need to hold our attention throughout the entire battle. It's just common sense.
@@frieza65 I thought Helms Deep was more suspenseful than anything. Just like the final battle in Saving Private Ryan, with the overwhelming sense of dread. The action just added to the experience, which is the main reason for creating a final battle. At least that's what I always thought.
yes battles get very boring (said in sarcasm)....... that´s why i don´t repeatedly watch battles like: helms deep, minas tirith, yavin 4, endor, naboo, mustafar, hell even the battle where dany´s army fights the lannisters for the first time
Because of them a lot of people will never rewatch GoT, myself included. What even is the point when all the jon snow scenes are now useless. Whats the point of cersei scenes if she just dies from bricks.
@John Smith Yeah, I was hoping that tyrion finds cersei somewhat alive in the rubble and he then strangles her in anger of her actions leading to the deaths of so many civilians. That would have been awesome but no, dumb and dumber were more interested in Romeo & Juliet type of love stories.
You guys forget about bran i thaught he would get an awesome part being a wizard or warp in the dragon and the night king didnt made sence either or the thing when brienne the strongest warrior got beaten by an little girl
@@joaocbcneto hope George RR Martín does something with all those prophecies and doesn't just forget about them (like some morons (D&D) did). 7 seasons of 'The prince that was promised' for nothing. And by the way Rhaegar is an idiot in both books and show. 'The dragon must have 3 heads?' that is not even a real prophecy, or 'A song of ice and fire' that is not a prophecy either. The Pact of Ice and Fire is a contract Cregan Stark and Rhaenyra Targaryen made, he would fight for her and his son will have a Targaryen princess as a bride (The Targaryen broke that contract). Sorry about that lecture, couldn't stop myself :)
Basically once the material ran out, they didn't have a goddamn clue what they were doing. They could have turned around and rewrote all that material they omitted out of the story back into the show. Made a few more seasons out of it. HBO even wanted them to keep going, but they were more interested in ending it as quickly as possible so they could wreck another franchise.
That's why they should have made the show last 12 seasons. George would have a lot of time ti finish Winds of Winder and pergaps A dream of Spring and all would turn out to be the best tv series in history.
I truly don’t understand why George and “Dumb and Dumber” didn’t didn’t hire a new show runner once it was obvious they didn’t want to work on the show anymore. 6 well done seasons of GoT then they get to work on Star Wars while some else makes another great 6 or 7 seasons that end the show would be the perfect think to happen. Now we have this shitty ending and they got what they deserved and were fired from Star Wars
I can’t believe the HBO executives let them get away with the absolute shit they peddled. I understand giving writers creative freedom but if I was one of the executives and read the script for season 7 and season 8 I would’ve fired them on the spot and got writers in who knew what to do
@@yashfinkazmi "Masterpiece"? Think that's going just a bit too far... It's a fantasy series, one that most likely will never be finished, and not even an original one at that.
@@looneyburgmusic I think I exaggerated things a bit but still there are too many loose ends to tie in one book that's the problem with this gardening way it's hard to end things
"Dany's not her father, she's not insane, and she's not a sadist-" Me: **looking at Season 8** You were on the verge of greatness, you were _this_ close!
I hated that. Imagine having to kill a reanimated corpse of your own child,to se your baby die once again. It was just bullshit how she didn't feel anything. Rhaegal too,he was shot out of the sky and fell into the sea. She was upset for like five minutes.
Your "gone mad" montage is on point. And Dany's reaction to her brother's death was clearly one of shock and numbness. She wasn't sadistically gleeful or coldly psychopathic. She even named a dragon after him. D & D are the worst.
I don't even think it was shock and numbness. I think she understood that she had tried to help Viserys with the Dothraki, he rejected her advice and the advice of Jorah, he had abused and threatened her for her whole life, and she finally understood that all of those offenses he commited against the Khalesar could be forgiven to a degree since he wasn't one of the Dothraki. However, once he walked into that building, armed, and threatened the Khaleesi and her son, he crossed the line and she was resigned to the fact that that offense was unforgivable and would cost him his life. It wasn't shock or numbness, it was just one of acceptance.
@Dillon notmylastname The worst part of that scene is they could have made it actually make sense by just using Bran. Bran follows Jon's crew Warging a raven, he sees that shit is quickly heading sideways. He then goes to the Weirwood in Winterfell and sits where Ned sat. He then Wargs Rhaegal in order to save Jon. Dany sees Rhaegal going awol or making some pre existing crys for help while flying away. (maybe akin to the noises Drogon was making when Dany handed him over to the slavers in Astapor) Dany then sees the army of the dead, saves Jon's crew, and the wight gets taken. But nope what we get is a bunch of scenes that completely ruins any suspensions of disbelief. It's so clear that they only did a rough draft of the later seasons and spent the rest of their time just fucking around, letting other talented members of the crew to salvage the wreckage.
They're working on a show for Netflix based on some sci fi book series. Can you imagine going from the biggest show ever, to then Disney (where they got fired for failing to come up with an idea after being given an entire year to figure it out) to back to making shows based on an existing book series? Its like these guys only know how to adapt other people's work.
@@luismiranda8944 Well the only thing they actually did well is adapting GRRM’s existing books. They overreached, but then were brought back into their place.
One of the biggest tragedies for me, personally, was watching Jon go from being an incredibly likeable character for his undying loyalty to honour and doing the right thing, to being a guy who will just turn a blind eye to injustice for some strange. “She’s my queen” is just so anti-Jon and they make him say it about 17 times. What a bloody disaster.
Seriously Arya, Sansa, Tyrion, Varys, every fucking person saying: "Daenerys is fucked up" and Jon, a guy who refused to bend the knee which became the whole plot of season 7 just tells them "BuT sHe'S mY qUeEn" 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
bUT sHE iS mY QUUUEeeen 💀 annoyed me more than anything else in the show i swear. tbh just say ''yeah she crazy but i love her'' and then do the same shit idc just fk that line wholeheartedly xD
in the books euron captures a lot of coastal land and rival ships and recruits pirates to join him. he also has connections he established overseas during his voyage. its not really THAT big of a stretch tbh. and they iron isalnds people arent just fishermen...
@@ipraytovodka the books are close to irrelevant for the series because if i dont know the books and im just going off of whats being shown to me none of that is conveyed.. not through storytelling and certainly through the visualization of that story.. to me its just a rather small rocky island and euron told his 20-30 men in attendance to "cut down every tree they can find"... good writing doesnt leave that off to the viewer to piece together via speculation....
Bran becoming king and being like "planned it all along" while sending Jon back to the nightwatch pissed me off the most (after Dannys total character execution).
Because something important will happen in the books, it's just that D&D had no idea what nor where they clever enough to read a few fan theories and make their own version.
Because he knew it would send Dany into a murderous rage and Jon would kill her, be exiled, and Bran would be King. It was all for the throne and his selfish ambitions!
Didn't Martin actually tell them the ending several years in advance, so that if he wasn't able to finish the books, the show would still end? I'm starting to think they either scrapped Martins original ending or Martin trolled them by giving them an entirely different one.
This is what happens when you put people in a position that they have NO right being in & give them a pen. They slaughtered GOT. Wars can get boring....proof positive these two had no idea what they were doing. Once the content was gone from the books, they showed how untalented & egotistic they are. Even now, in interviews, they have little clue & you can tell they don't care. They thought they were going to get more somewhere else, got bored of doing GOT, thought they were going to jump on another cash cow & leave, what they thought, was a dying one behind. They killed what could've been one the greatest stories, it had everything at first & it's potential was so great. Seriously, if they didn't want to do it anymore, give it to someone else, don't make people wait 10 years for THIS!
@@susan945 when they said 'battles can get boring' and then the video showed the LOTR battle of Helm's Deep... I LOVED that battle and it's one of my favourites of all time. Not ONCE was I bored whilst watching it. Battle can be boring if you don't know how to write battles....like D&D
That ending really just sucked up the Starks, making Bran "I can't be lord of anything" king and then making the Stark land seperate under Sansa as queen. And everyone was like, "that's cool, I don't want any independence like her, despite just having fought a war, we'll just obey this weird kid instead".
@@jonstfrancis i think the starks were do some recompense for all the shit they went through. But because of how it was all setup and how the ending played out, it felt kind of like a copout.
I was willing to excuse season 7 because I told myself that they were just saving up all the awesomeness for the last season. Turns out I was just another sweet summer child...
Where else would the show have gone? Everything that was bad about this season has been set up since season 7. But no one complained then. To be honest the show started to go off the rails after Martin left.
Meaning that went down hill in season 4. He left in season 3, I heard that from the started that season 4 was showing some weakness in season 5 it really started to show, but the battles scenes were great.
@@sophiawilson8696 Yeah, pretty much. We saw the awfully constructed Dorne storyline in season 5 and the butchering of Stannis's arc in season 6. Other than that, season 5 was tolerable, but the battle scenes in season 6 really papered over its cracks to some extent. By then, the quality of the dialogue had noticeably decreased, and season 7 was just all over the place. By then it was clear that they had given up with world building, and things were plot-driven rather than character-driven, with everything being rushed to reach the conclusion rather than progressing with the plot more organically.
I had zero expectations for s 8 after watching s 7. So in that regard I can't say I was disappointed... It was laughingly bad, so at least I got some entertainment from it.
@@ismailniyaz5167 Season 5 was god awful. So were Season 7 and 8 . Season 6 wasn't as bad, but poorly written as well. Arya's scenes in Braavos in Season 5 were boring AF, after all the buildup that was done to it for four seasons.
@@blaubeer8039 Not at all. Robb calls the banners like everyone else was doing in Westeros and only retaliated after the Lannisters attacked the Riverlands. You need to remember the real first battle (Whispering Woods) was Robb LIBERATING Riverrun from the Lannister siege. So no, Robb wasn't the attacker.
@@blaubeer8039 He was naive, not mad. It'd be mad of him to not take any action after the south deliberately killed their warden and (unbeknownst to them) attempted to murder one of the sons of that warden, then hold that warden's daughters hostage to force the Starks and by extension the rest of the north to swear fealty to crown. His actions were unfortunate not terrible. I'm not arguing for anyone else here but Robb, he lost the war due to betrayal. He lost because like any good Stark he was honor bound to act and acted accordingly to how Starks are known to act: Honorably; and thus ended up like father. Robb was just going about what was expected of him after these atrocities were committed, hell The Great Jon Umber was there urging him on and his mother didn't stop him as she wanted to reunite her family which was torn apart because the Baratheon King came up north to visit his old friend to convince him to march back south with him and is what cause this whole thing to begin with, Robb was doing what he could clean up this mess. None of those actions sound like the actions of a mad man. They sound like the actions of a duty bound first born son doing what he could with what he had to reunite his family and perhaps gain vengeance against the Lannisters aka the family that really helped make this mess. TV Arya? Yeah she was going insane when she kept reciting the name of everyone she wanted to kill. No argument there.
@@blaubeer8039 He marched south only over "only some offended family honor"?.... Jesus.... His father, the warden of the North, was taken hostage and then beheaded after he found out a conspiracy of legitimacy in King's Landing, and after the rightful King was killed as well. How's Robb standing up against all the injustice that was going on "worse"?
"When dead mean and worse come hunting for us in The night do you think it matters who sits on the iron throne?" What i like about House of the Dragon is that they emphasize the importance of the prince that was promised and how a Targaryen must be the one sitting on the iron throne when the Night king and his army arrive
Bran becoming the the King and killing Dany just like that pisses me off to this day. Will you wear the crown: why do you think I came all thiss way? Bullshit!!!
just confirms Bran is the real villain. (Not really, it was bad writing) Think about it! He could see all the past and what was going on and he even watched his sister get raped and was like "you looked so pretty your wedding night" then lies about no wanting until he has the chance to be King. Tyrion shoulda been like "wait a second!"
@@HorFell ikr!! He is the real villian here. Tyrion is supposed to be the smartest here. That's why I was so pissed off when he said "why do you think I came all this way?"
Danny becoming a mad queen and bran becoming a king makes perfect sense to me, however, the plot was rushed to the point it didn't. If the story line was strong and not lazy, it would have been hell of a series
These guys managed to f* up the most incredible show of all time... They should never get another job on Hollywood... Truth is that they did not care, because they got that Star Wars job... hate those guys
Joaquim Eugênio Fernandes de Lima You know they created the show? And wrote all the other seasons? Just because the ending didn’t turn like you expected it isn’t a bad show neither are the writers. Wasn’t GoT about the unexpected plot twists? How could you then be mad at these plot twists? But there is one negative point: they rushed the ending.
Stimme der Vernunft Ok when did it star to go down? Season 7? You know that the material from the books only reaches to season 5 and the sixth season has the best episodes and is, as far as I know the best rated season of GoT (at least second best rated).
@@scipio5333 In my Opinion it started in season 5. The Dorne plotline was really bad, tyrion wasn't as good as before and the braavos plotline was erster mediocre too. But it still had good scenes. It was rotten inside but looked good. Season 7 was when it really started to fall apart. There were not enough good scenes to compensate for the bad ones and the old good thing i have to say about season 8 is that it can't geht worse anymore.
@@scipio5333If i write a book, a murder mystery, and i know the butler did it. I see someone figure out the butler did it, so now i panic and change it so the chambermaid did it. All the clues and foreshadowing is crap and its not gonna make any sense. Casual viewers probably liked the end of the show, cause they liked the characters and the visuals. But they didnt make sense, the characters actions didnt make sense. The show was incredibly inconsistent. 1 episode Euron gos 3 for 3 and snipes viserion out of the sky. The next episode the entire fleet cant hit 1 dragon, that 1 dragon proceeds to destroy all of kings landing alone. Why did Daenarys even need the north? At the start of s7 she had 3 dragons and a bigger army. Why in s6 did jon just stand there while cavalry charged him? Why did the show try and make us think Sansa and Arya would ever betray each other? How does the Iron Fleet teleport from Kings Landing to Casterly Rock to Dorne to Kingslanding and then to Highgarden? Why is the show about massive battles and set pieces in the last 4 seasons instead of being a political character driven drama. Why did characters all start getting plot armor? Why was the most important character to die in the battle against the dead an old knight who got friend zoned? Also Martin stepped away from working on the show after season 4.
HBO: "Who should kill the Night King?" 1) Jon Snow: who has had the most to do the white walkers and has fought them since the very first season 2) Arya: who's story has had absolutely nothing to do with the white walkers and didn't even know about them being a threat till season 7 D&D: "Nah it wouldn't be right for it to be Jon. Arya's the right choice :)" 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
It was believed that she was going to be the one to kill him, even hinted at by George. However no one just expected her to fly out of nowhere and just instantly stab him. I'm fine with her making the kill... but it was so out of nowhere and ended so quickly... we never even saw the night king fight really... Like everything in the last 2 seasons they just rushed the shit out of it so it didn't feel deserved.
I mean Dany literally turns into a mad queen over the course of one episode. They kind of hinted at it but it's genuinely over the course of an episode that she goes from "I can't rule over ashes" to literally burning innocent people to ashes.
Personally I would've preferred Jon, just because they built up a rivalry with him and the Night king since Hardhome and it looked like it was going somewhere, and he has the most to do with the White walkers out of all the other characters(idk maybe D&D just kinda forgot, who knows?) I understand why people like Arya killing him, it's all matter of opinion. But to me it would be like if in Harry Potter Ron or Hermione defeated Voldemort instead of Harry
@@JLee-ws4dl I think they screwed themselves over by not doing very much with Arya and doing a ton with Jon Snow. It wasn't wrong to expect Jon to be the one to kill the night king because they spent so much time on him and even brought him back to life just for him to be sent back to the far north....
It took me almost two full years to recover from how bad Season 8 was. I rewatch some of the earlier seasons and just fall in love with this show all over again. Until I remember how terrible season 8 was, then I just stop watching.
Then do as I did. For me season 8 doesn’t exist. Period. And invent in your head a better ending, that is going to be way better than what we had. This show deserved better
Just binge watched for the first time since my first watch through (which was the month before the final season). I was so scorned. & now I am scorned all over again. Went from one of the biggest things in pop culture that was building a huge legacy for it to disappear overnight. If you search GOT nothing recent comes up. The ending completely sent everything this story was and could’ve been up in smoke.
I hated that line "avoid the unexpected". That is the literal subverting our expectations. And it's AWFUL! This is why Hollywood sucks and books are brilliant. Authors are the true storytellers.
Pretty sure D&D blew most of the budget on strippers and cocaine then realized they had one night to put a script in front of the execs at HBO and thats how we got the final season.
If that was a truth, I would be more willing to forgive for a reason like this. I mean addiction is hard. But we all know the truth, of theirs greediness so fuck this 2 bastards
I'm not even mad that Daenerys went mad despite the fact I wanted her to win the game of thrones, I think it would have been epic to witness her descent into madness over the course of an entire season. Not like, Jon's your nephew, bye bye dragon, bye bye Missandei...and the bells....DRACARYS!!
talaneobernardo yesss! I think if it had been set up properly it would have been devastating but it’s GoT, no one was expecting a perfect happy ending for all the characters
the problem people have with this is not that daeny goes mad (that was foreshadowed in ike the first book) but that her character developement goes from sane to mad in what seems to be a couple of seconds
I have a big issue with varys turning on her so quickly in favor of Jon bc cocks or whatever, when he's basically been secretly backing her claim to the throne since the beginning
Honestly my whole hope for the long night was a whole 8-9 episode with in darkness, takes at least a few years or at least months, and i know it's call Winterfell but I wouldn't mind if Winterfell, fell to winter, so we can see the effects of the night king making his way down to the south
Subverting expectations can be good when executed properly. What it has turned into in the hands of flawed writers is the equivalent of a jump scare. It's cheap and only there to surprise you.
Exactly! Any good writer will tell you that you have to have, for the most part, your story mapped out from beginning to end early in the writing process, and if you set something up that will serve as a surprise toward the end, but the readers figure out your foreshadowing before the surprise is revealed, you can't just decide you're going to change the ending so your readers will be proven wrong. It f's up the entire story if you change things based on the readers' theories, or even if you just foreshadow something multiple times (in a book that isn't a part of a series) and then do the opposite of what you foreshadowed at the end of the book. This also applies to writing movie and television scripts. Don't foreshadow something over the course of a movie or tv series and then not pay that off.
How can bran see everything ahead of his time? He is the memory. He knows the present and the past and nothing of the future. He can assume, but how sure will he be that when he gives the dagger to arya, she will use it to kill TNK? (including other things he did that led him to be the king)
Everyone doesn't get that D&D believe writing is 'good' just if no one predicted it. They don't care if they contradict themselves or their characters, all they care about is 'shocking' the viewer.
I prefer predicted but well established story than plot-twisted crap with so much plot holes that when I watched it my mind kept telling me it wasn't happening
It makes me happy to know that deep down I’m sure they both know how much their previous fans truly hate them and the garbage they sold us for season 8
@@Tombbistol Dany probably learned how to make fire zombies off screen at some point from Beric or Meli. D&D just sort of forgot to mention it in the show.
Yeah, not to mention the end of the Dothraki was tremendously, isanely idiotic. S8E3 is the worst episode in the entire show, while it should be one of the best
In a recent interview, D&D gave away the fact that Benioffs dad worked with the head of HBO at the time they got the job, which means his dad got them that job and they proceeded to fail upwards
Tyrion lost all his character flaws (except drinking) and proceeded to lose his character traits. He was quick witted and smart at politics. In the end, he couldn't make a single smart move until it was completely obvious.
He became stupid cause they don't know how to writte intelligent characters(look what they did to littlefinger and varys) and omitted the tysha revelation turning him into a different person who now for some reason cares about breaking the wheel and trusts cersei
@@54marklGeorge did not become lazy, obviously you have not read the books and are completely ignorant of the incredible world he's created. Dumb and Dummer pissed all over George, all the fans and hbo.
He is obviously not happy with it, didnt you see the end bit wher he talks? He doesnt wanna insult or talk bad because he is a good guy but he saya it in a kind way
@@mr.fantastic6568 he must care. Imagine spending all that time making your books perfect only for D&D to rush the TV series ending and screw it up even though they had the option of more series. Its like making the perfect 7 tier wedding cake and finishing it off with a house brick on top
The Dothraki kinda forgot they were dead
haha good one
Because what's dead may never die...or something?
Christopher Herrera that happens to me sometimes
No no no. You got it all wrong. The Night King raised them remember? Duuuhhhh. Then Daenarys explained to them in plain Dothraki why their lives would be much improved if they renounced their Night Kingy ways and came back to the flock. You have to read the expanded universe to understand the nuance.
Lol. She split her army. Pay attention to the show
The one death in Game of Thrones that no one expected: Game of Thrones
"If you thought this was going to end well, you haven't been paying attention." Ramsay Snow, Season *Three*
Britannia they were 2 of most expected deaths. Both men were honourable idiots. I knew robb was dead the moment he married
actually we've been expecting it since season 5
@@genesisdawn6672 but it did have a happy ending....
Now that's really game of thronesish
You guys I think David and Dan are geniuses. They pulled off the biggest plot twist of all times.
They've killed the show itself.
Bittersweet... Sweet being: there might be books someday with better ending
@@rebatsu GRRM already said that the end of the books will be different.We can hope.
@@marcuskurze9759 Personally, I hope the ending is considerably different from the show. And in all honesty, I actually would like for it to be a happy ending, at least happy in comparison to the show's ending. I know George R.R. Martin wanted a bittersweet ending, but with the lackluster ending we got with the show, a happy ending would be more welcome.
@@JakegothicsnakeI am open for surprises.It can hardly be more bitter than the ending in the Show.Some minor things would aready make it better so lets wait and see.
Jakegothicsnake I’d settle for an ending that makes sense
Imagine being paid millions to write the most successful tv show of all time, and using, “she just king of forgot” as reasoning for anything a primary character would or would not do in one of the most important episodes of said show.
Bloody fanfictions are usually more intelligently witten than season 8
@@fatallyfatcat5274 yeah fanfiction surely has a lot more knowledge and passion in it... you can see these guys didn't really care about the show at all, just about their success and inflated egos
It was career suicide. Utter contempt.
Even more simply imagine saying a character "kinda forgot" about the largest fleet in the world. That's a hell of a threat to forget.
“Somehow, Palpatine returned.”
Sam being the oldest Tarly is literally the reason he was sent to the wall.
D&D didnt read the books that they are writing....
@@thesaltydawg8386 They kinda forgot.
@@thesaltydawg8386 they really didn't though. I watched an interview where they got asked by a fan who their favorite non POV character was and they said Sam Tarly (who is one, obviously) :D
This killed me when i heard them say it
Jack it's sad but it's probably true lol
France kinda forgot about Hitler.
Lmfao
David Keane holy shit lmao
Jesus dude ROFL
Hah, thats dark mate, love it 😂
Lmao
I was surprised that Khal Drogo did not appear for the final battle.
Yep, Thankfully he became the Aquaman.
Edo tensei
Elias Alvarez good joke😂
The word is sad. Not surprised. Sad.
He was there! He was standing behind ghost in the darkness 😂
Arya scream jumping at the night king is one of the funniest things to go back and rewatch now. Wtf kind of assassin is that lol
Ikr
All those years, all that work and effort all that practice.
To learn how to drop a knife from one hand to the other.
I remember watching that and literally throwing the water bottle I was drinking at the TV. My gf at the time asked me why and I blew up saying they’ve ruined the show. Would’ve been one of the greatest shows ever had they just stuck to George’s plan. Can’t wait for the books
Girl power !!!!!! 15 year little girl kills the strongest creature in the universe. Its honestly disgusting more and more everytime you rewatch anything from s5-8
@@ratkovac7 18 years old and really, I had no issue with her killing the night king, it was the setup and how she just appeared.
Funny how they rushed GoT for Star Wars only to get kicked off of that project LOL
LOL WHAT?? They got kicked? TELL ME MORE!!
@@madamebkrt They "backed off" because they didn't have enoughtime for their 3 Netflix series.... In other words.... They got kicked off for their bad writing and they didn't want to embarrass themselves with the truth.... Lol!!
@@plls2880 LOL serves them right tbh
@@madamebkrt Ik right!!!
Poetic justice;) or may I say "Game of Thrones" justice was served just right
It's funny that they submitted themselves for the Emmys in the categories best writer and best script, even after the fan backlash. How arrogant can you be lol
Omg that's actually fucked these guys are actual cocks lmao
@@HaribeI Cocksuckers
Cockcuckers
imagine if they win
@@HaribeI cucksockers
What do we say to good writing?
D&D: Not today!
😂🤣😂🤣😂👊
Haha
Seriously though this has been copy pasted in so many comment sections
This foolishness raises my blood pressure higher than McDonald’s. Boycott this pair of health hazards.
I heard the Night King just got signed by Disney, fucking pussy ass fake king
Dumb and Dumber talked about how they didn't want to be "predictable" when they picked Arya to kill the Night King, and GRRM has warned against this too: something along the lines of "if you have a murder mystery, and you've planned the story until the big reveal where the butler did it, but people start guessing it was the butler, and you want to surprise them by saying that it was actually the chamberlain, then you've just ruined your entire work". It applies perfectly here
"WhY dO yoU tHiNk I caME All tHiS wAY" ....... this line pissed me off
Infinite GB that had me SO MAD. like bro. Seems to me like if you knew about this then you knew about a whole lot of shit. Shit that could have made things different
I'm always amazed how many people put actual effort into typing whole sentences in this way.
@@kaloryfer99999 people who think its an effort r actually retarded *facts
@@infinitegb2693 They can't type too gud and not have gud brains. So typing in alternating capital letters appears difficult.
If he knew it would happen then he knew about all those who would die and so didn’t give a shit about innocents dying. So yeah, perfect choice to rule the people lol
HBO: "You're positive you don't want an extra $5 million an episode in case you go over budget?"
Dumb & Dumber: "Na brah. It's all good brah. We got this."
HBO: "You're sure you don't want 10 episodes, or extra seasons? We can put the main cast on 4 season contract extensions. They don't mind. I mean some of them are fans of the books, and even GRRM suggested that this show go 12 seasons, along with a prequel series to go with it."
Dumb & Dumber: "Nah brah. 6 good brah. Subvert them brah."
HBO: "OK, but the idea was that the two shows would alternate every year, giving both series 2 years to film a season, since the budgets are so big."
Dumb & Dumber: "Save time and money brah. They spend too much on catering brah. You know how fast ice cream melts in the desert brah? 'S bad brah."
"Subvert them bra" 😂
Ths sad thing is, that's basically what actually happened.
@@estetty this comment is way to true
Controlled Chaos you have won the Internet.
"Are you just doing this so you can make Star Wars?"
"Nah brah, who told you that?"
"I'm calling Kathy"
"Fuck."
Danny was hundreds of feet in the air and they're trying to tell me she couldn't see behind a medium sized land mass
Are you perchance familiar with Wanted: Weapons of Fate?
Arrow bending baby.
@Yowatsapp 05 it really do be like that
@Leon Russell Extreme accuracy? No sir, you are mistaken. Euron was the captain of an Aegis guided missile cruiser. VFX guys didn't get the memo and used the asset of an old ship instead. That's the only explanation.
@Leon Russell heat seeking spears CLEARLY
That´s special ironborn magic: What´s offscreen is invisible!
The worst thing about season 8 is that I would have loved to see Danny have reasons and time to develop a certain madness, but not in the course of one fucking episode! It would take at least a whole season to make it feasible
How about a whole show? Because she kinda hasn't changed at all since episode 5.
The night king being defeated in one episode a bigger travesty imo
@@lukebullen705 I do juggle which was worse, the way the Night King is defeated in that one episode and how bad that episode was as a whole. Or Danny in episode 5 of the series just going 'welp I am evil now' and the show actually trying to make us feel sympathy for Cersei... uh NO!
Not even just one episode, _one fucking scene_
I’m so annoyed with people complaining about Dany’s arc. Her ending is about the only one that makes sense and they were certain clues that definitely showed her arrogance and thirst for power had grown.
Power is the root of all evil. Power corrupts all. Like these are typical story tropes for a reason, Dany didn’t need more fleshing out for being mad, especially when her dad was the mad king (no doubt some form of bipolar disorder).
But Jon, he was absolutely robbed. You don’t build a character arc to make him Azor Ahai, resurrect him like he’s some god like figure with some long game purpose, add all of these clues just to later confirm he is indeed the true heir to the iron throne, just to completely plow through all of that and dismantle and erase his character development, sending him back over the wall, where he began as an insecure, self deprecating “bastard.”
Season 8 was what happens when someone is still working after giving their two weeks notice.
If this ain't right I don't know what is -smfh-
Spot on!
I put in a 2 week notice a week ago and this made me laugh, so trueee
fuck yeah
More like 2 year notice ... heh heh
I would rather the show ended with the Night King killing everyone and the whole place covered in snow.... would be a better ending
True. And it would make sense considering how hopeless the whole situation looked. Would be real expectation subversion
And then have it be all ice dancing, snowball fights, and ice paradise? Awesome!
Honestly. Better ending with less effort, while providing a scenario to maybe later pick up on. People from Essos wondering why the trade stopped, wights brought over on ships etc.
But most importantly people also wouldn't shut up about that kind of ending.
I WANTED THAT. I wanted everyone at winterfell to either die or retreat into hiding. We’d lose important characters like Jorah Mormont and Berix Dondarion and Tormund, for sure but we’d GAIN a better story with higher stakes when both the dead AND Daenerys want to sack Kings Landing and then you could have had Cersei finally have a use for the wildfire, scarce as it was after she blew up the sept of Baelor. I think if only they decided to make a “Zombie” apocalypse style for the 8th season and then did a 9th season we could finally see characters like Jaime get redeemed, Cersei could even get redeemed or kill herself, Danearys could slowly lose her mind as time went on leading to Jon having to sacrifice her for the good fo the realm, and then instead of throwing Jon in prison we coule have seen Jon become the king of the seven kingdoms and lead the people out of darkness but also give the crown to bran knowing he’ll be well guarded as he retreated to the north for the rest of his days. Sansa could have had many kore good moments in the end commanding her forces, Arya could still have played a part in killing the Night King, or maybe she and Jon could have done it together. I could think of many great possible outcomes this show potentially had.
Would've made more sense than the trashfest we got
Dany forgot about the iron fleet and the dothraki forgot they were dead
Jon forgot that horses exist when he went north of the wall to search for a wight, Dany forgot that she's NOT her father, Jamie (and apparently even Cercei) forgot that Cercei paid Bronn to kill him and Tyrion, Dany and Greyworm forgot every shred of kindness and decency that Missandei inspired in them, Tyrion forgot how to be smart, clever, or even mildly competent, Arya forgot all of her faceless man skills, Bronn forgot to even be around when anything important happens, Bran forgot that he is too withdrawn from the world to rule Winterfell, let alone the 7(6) Kingdoms, The North forgot that their king was imprisoned in Kings Landing by a foreign invading army with no king or queen to lead it, Sansa forgot that whether Jon or Bran sits on the throne there is no way in hell the North should be seperate from the other 6 kingdoms as you either have the crowned king of the north OR the oldest male Stark on the throne which means both have a better claim to the North than Sansa ever did or ever will, the Night King forgot that he is supposed to be the big bad for the whole show and not just a minor enemy dispatched early in the season, The Golden Horde forgot to be worth a shit (forgot their Elephants too), Jon forgot to pet Ghost, Jon, Dany, Tyrion, and Cercei all forgot that you put your army BEHIND your walls, not in front of them, Varys forgot he's supposed to be the best spymaster in the world, Scorpion ballistas forgot to not be utterly ridiculous plot devices in s8e4 and then forgot how to work at all in s8e5, .........It just never ends.
The two lines that really make me barf like a chicken: "Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet..." and "Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?" those quotes will go down in INFAMY
This show forgot Euron Greyjoy in general...
Jaime kinda forgots about his character development. Tormund kinda forgot about his character traits.
D&D kinda forgot about good writing.
@@DrZuluGaming haha awesome
"Kinda" forgetting about the Iron fleet is like Allies in WW2 "kinda" forgetting about Japan.
AFTER Pearl Harbor
Or the Bismarck "kinda forgetting" about the Home Fleet
Or Hitler kinda forgetting about the Soviet Army
Like landing at Normandy and forgetting about the German army.
"Rommel kinda forget about the Allied Landings"
"This will make you hate D&D even more!"
Challenge Accepted.
Achievement unlocked.
Genius!.
They defenitely did, I mean I already knew all of the things mentioned except the one with George R Martin foreshadowing how unfounded "subverting" can ruin a series, my hate percentage defenitely increased after that
Cat Metal 💯💯💯💯💯
Yeah. I think this made me angrier than anything I've watched before.
my hate is noting anymore
Daenerys forgetting about the iron fleet was infuriating, but when you showed the clips of everyone reminding her I just died laughing at how stupid this show has become.
To be fair, she kind of forgot about it. 😂😂😂
@@JayCity10 She didn't forget about the fleet. They were supposed to be in the iron islands as Euron acted like a coward and he said he's taking the iron fleet to the iron islands when he saw the undead fighter in King's Landing. Euron and Cersei deceived Daenerys and her people and that's why the fleet surprised her. But the dumbass at 3:59 probably forgot what they wrote and he said Dany forgot hahaha :D :D
@@diavolo23231 and jaime literally told her thats not the case when he arrived...and then her advisors who have spies everywhere reminded her about it....
@@ipraytovodka also, no matter she forgot, anyone can see such a huge armada from up above in the broad daylight.
@@kritikanchan9313 Yeah, if it is clear enough weather for them to see and hit her dragon, it is clear enough that she can spot them about half an hour before she even flies into range of them.
Who has a better story than Bran???
Jon snow: 🙋🏻♂️
Breanne: 🙋
Camera man: 🙋🏿♂️
Why is cameraman black?
What's that supposed to mean?
Just kidding 🤣🤣🤣
@@TJ-fe7rr not funny didn't laugh
"Then Bran"?
When Bran what??
Bran the boring
Why Is Brienne a dude
Can we all just appreciate Emilia Clarke's beautiful performance till the very end. She tried....
Emilia Clarke fought valiantly, Emilia Clarke fought bravely, Emilia Clarke died.
All the actors did a great job.
The second (and last ever) time I watched the ending, after acceptance had set in... wow she fucking nailed that throneroom scene. I was in anticipatory tears the whole time,
Honestly I didn't like her character very much. Too self-righteous and pretentious. Had a god complex and it was so bad she made herself look unlikeable even after freeing slaves.
@@Alpha1918 blame d&d in the books she’s very humble and sweet but still very lonely and sad. They were trying to hard on her badass moments and that’s why her arc got ruined they took so much of her story and her characterization out because they didn’t read the books
Arya had nothing to do with the night king. It’s like if Tormund killed Cersei. We know tormund can fight like Arya. Yeah it would be unexpected but it wouldn’t make sense narratively.
This.
True. Only one besides Jon would could have realistically killed the NK was Davos (Reborn Amidst Salt and Smoke and Woke a Dragon out of Stone with Advicing Stannis to go North).
Arya got to avenge many deaths over the course of the series. She took down Littlefinger (along with Sansa), the entire Frey house, Meryn Trant, the Waif, Polliver, and probably some one else I'm forgetting. Jon was completely set up as the one to take on the Night King. It should've been his kill. I would've been okay with Arya helping him do it, but he should've been the one with the final blow.
D&D love Maisie and Arya as a stand alone person and character , they did it for her to have an epic scene. I swear that’s what drove them, not to make sense for the overall storyline or plot. Same with hooking her up with Gendry. I mean I loved it but it was rushed and unsatisfying.
@@livinglife3483 Not to mention Arya and Gendry's relationship was suddenly cut short, and no closure given in the Finale.
You wanna hate D&D more....
Emilia Clarke was lied to about Daenerys burning the city...she was thinking that Dany will burn only the red keep triggering the wildfires inside ( that was the part of the original script which was altered at the last moment)...Emilia didn't know until the première where she watched it with 40 fans who donated for her charity and got herself embarrassed
another dragon demands viewer?
@@Iamzani yeah I am....so you are aware of that too??
@@suganthram7767 yes sir it will be mentioned in my upcoming series, ive been a lil bit in contact with dragon too
@@Iamzani I am so looking forward to it as a fan of both the show and Emilia Clarke....dragon demands and anomaly inc have been voicing out against the injustice done to her...every fan of GOT,Daenerys and Emilia needs to know this...
@@suganthram7767 yes it pains to me see people still praising D&D for their work without also acknowledging the damage they have done
Dany *forgot* about the Iron Fleet..... is probably the poorest excuse I've heard from them ever.
"kind of forgot"
kinda sorta 💀
Yeah it is a poor excuse. If they had filmed it better. Like Euron ambushing them on sea is totally possible. I mean he is the best and most experienced Admiral in Westeros after all. But you could do a better job telling the story. Like him hiding on fishing ships to just reveal their weapons when it is already too late or him activly avoiding line of sight and so on.
But like that it is just sad....
Aaarghhhh....
More like *they* forgot
"Why do you think I came all this way?"
If he would have stood up and started dancing or turned into a bird and flown away that would have redeemed the season for me.
This had me rolling thank you for this comment😂😂😂. I just imagined Bran standing up and dancing like the pirates in Sea of Thieves
HOW TO HATE D&D/SEASON 8 EVEN MORE:
1.) Make the issue of Jon Snow's parentage -- central to the story for seven seasons -- meaningless.
2.) Make prophecies about Jon Snow being the "Prince Who Was Promised" or "Azor Ahai" meaningless.
3.) Make Jon Snow an unimportant background character who says "...but she's my queen" and "I don't want it."
4.) Make Dany go from valiant hero to mad queen over the course of one episode.
5.) Toss aside years of character building for no actual payoff (we're looking at Jaime, Sansa, Tyrion, Bran, etc.).
6.) Make Greyworm into, well, a whiny dimwit.
7.) Fundamentally change Bran's personality and character from Season 6 to Season 7 and then make him the King in Season 8.
8.) Make the "Long Night" last, well, a single night (or, at best, the amount of time that it takes to travel from the Wall to Winterfell).
9.) Turn the Golden Company into meaningless dragon fodder.
10.) Turn Euron Greyjoy into a stupid madman.
11.) Kill off a dragon by somehow not being able to see a ship or flying arrows. The next battle, have the dragon avoid thousands of flying arrows.
12.) Make Bronn the "Master of Coin."
Make Bronn Lord of Highgarden ffs
As if the nobility of the Reach would accept a former sellsword as their Lord Paramount, considering some of them struggled even with the Tyrells' leadership, seeing them as upjumped stewards
This is the best summary so far
13. All prophecies heard for nothing ?!
14. bring a wight to kingslanding for nothing (waste of screen Time)
15. make Tyrion - the smartest charakter- stupid for the last season ...
White walkers and the night king's signs that look like whirlpool - meaningless.
@@yousoundweird4771 not just the last season...
Also bringing the wight to king's landing was season 7, the season 6 finale was the last memorable episode they made.
I agree with everything except, well, Euron was already a stupid madman
Dickon being sams older brother doesn’t even make sense.
Sam wouldn’t be sent to the nights watch if he had an older brother.
Exactly.
Yes. But it was nice to see Tom Hopper for a few minutes before he got roasted.
Why not?
ton because his older brother would get the family name and tittle. Not Sam. Sam was only sent because he wasn’t a fighter like his dad. And by him being the eldest he would get everything when his father dies. Old world stuff. The roadway gets everything. Only if it’s a boy.
@@TheCrusaders13 ohh okay thanks
I'm more disappointed than Cersie when she didn’t get any Elephants.
agreed
...and still forced to take a thumb up the bum like some pirate's hooker.
Yeah! what was that disgraced version of The Golden Company??? Battle of Kings Landing wasn't even a battle...😭
@@AnonYmous-hu7jo
Lol the Golden Company had the durability of a Minecraft Golden Pickaxe 😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
As bad as the final season was, the real victim was George who had his franchise soiled by the show.
george refuses to complete his work hes partially to blame for this disaster
@@eijiniizuma6184 he updated his blog recently to say he should be finished Winds of Winter next year. Also, he left in season 4 so anything from there on out was purely on D&D
He'll benefit from it actually, people want real closure thus anticipation for the remaining books. 🤣
@@arvi8843 George has no idea how to end his series and given the disaster that was the live action adaptation it appears as though everything he setup was for nothing I have no interest in continuing to support his work hes lost in a sea of muddled narrative
@@eijiniizuma6184 A lot of people stopped watching when there is no more source material, so yeah for sure he'll benefit off if it. GRR may or may not finish the books since if he is really focused on that and not other novels or gigs like House of Dragon, he'd have more time to write the book. Maybe he's burnout already or lacks motivation because he's already rich. Wahahaha I don't know.
What's worse is that HBO itself offered them 12 seasons but they refused...
Couldve been the highest grossing TV show that was ever made.. but not today
@firstname lastname I know they should have passed the torch once they lost intrest in the series but they wanted all the credit. Now they got all the blam lmao they did a walder Frey on us
they also offered to let another team take over the project
@@stewartmcminn7773 my god bruh i cant imagine what we're missing out on i wish there was a way to continue the show with season 8 being someones false vision
I don't blame them for not doing 12 episodes. They knew they can't pull it off much longer. They ran out of idea. Killing it early at least would make it much more forgivable considering if they did 12 mediocre episodes with immature dialogue. What happened to more sophisticated lines??
I remember when Bran said “why do you think I’ve come all this way” my whole family screamed “Bullshit!”
I love this comment so much.
There was so much wrong with that.
Dorne had been fighting for independence from the throne for centuries. But they're cool with the heir of Winterfell taking the Iron Throne, whilst Winterfell itself is granted the freedom to operate as it's own independent nation. BULLSHIIIIIIIT! Just bad writing
Actually for him to be a political schemer all along is less bullshit than it being for a dramatic reason. That part actually makes sense, he didn't do much throughout because he had seen what happens, and didn't want to ruin the trajectory of events so that he DOES end up powerful.
My whole family including me saw that and we called it horseshit
Who else thought this shows ending was perfect despite what everyone says
Same here bro she was like playing assains creed there
You guys forget its game of arya not game of thrones
Oh god so much this. Or the adventures of Tormund and Brienne, give me a break -__-
@@Jm649 brienne the greatest warrior got beaten by an girl the night king so easy destroyed with her teleporting skill she got almost every best moments she should have died atleast 6 times
@@deathlike13 Yes I agree. The NK was able to bring down a whole dragon with one spear, yet wasn't able to snap the neck of a small girl whilst catching her in mid air? The whole WW arc is a travesty of story telling in general tbh....Sad
Bran was like :
"I cant be lord of anything, ive never said i couldnt be king of everything LOOOOOL"
I smirk on this one. When he said, why would he be here.
George R R Martin : Missandei
D&D : Miss Sunday
“Miss Sunday” I’m dead 😂
More like meeesinday
Missing Day* lmao
Me Sundae
Ice Cream Sunday 😆
Or when Tormund says "What kind of crazy bastard rides a dragon?" After he had already ridden one in himself lol
With like 5 other people including Dany who is literally the mother of dragons and the person who saved him.
To be fair, Jon did do a little more than simply ride one. It's like comparing riding on a wild stallion as the passenger and riding as the person commanding the stallion.
He *kinda forgot* he did that
What irritates me most about that one is that there was literally NO NEED for Tormund's praising of Jon in that scene to have anything whatsoever to do with the dragon riding! Like... Jon had genuinely done tons of amazing sh*t that was all his own, and Tormund absolutely would have gushed about him that way no matter what, so why focus it around the ONE thing that was first and foremost Daenerys' thing!? What, like it would be too much of a stretch to suggest that Dany could start feeling jealous and insecure about Jon being loved based on his actual, well-earned merit?
All it did to have it be about the dragon riding was give credence to the Dany fans who like to claim that "Jon got all the credit and did nothing while Dany did everything"- which simply isn't the case whatsoever, so why suddenly MAKE it the case as if Tormund couldn't have far more realistically just gushed about everything Jon had done for the North and the Free Folk? And yes, it also would have made a lot more sense anyway given that Tormund had in fact ridden on Drogon before himself.
@@stephaniel2850 Tormund didn't ride it.. he was just a passenger.. but yeah that scene was stupid af. Cuz he saw dany riding drogon and saving all of them while burning the "zombies" but he didn't say anything about that. But when dany allows jon to ride a dragon, suddenly jon becomes "King of the seven kingdoms" material for tormund. Stupid writing if u ask me.
Bran stood by and let Bad things happen. Didn’t say a word.
Mad Bran confirmed.
He was especially mad then since he can't stand xD
If he was so all seeing why didn't he warn about Dany? Were the ravens down?
Battles can actually be pretty boring WHEN I CAN'T FUCKING SEE THEM SHARON
putting a lord of the rings clip in here was almost cruel
But a needed evil
Necessary evil
Some problems you need to go right for the jugular and not beat around the bush...
Or you could put any battle from braveheart for that matter. None of them boring, all of them really long.
Good movie but I wish they wouldn't have had Aragorn yelling "FIRE!" instead of "LOOSE" when commanding the archers.
I don't get why Jon didn't have a kick ass fight with the Night King. Even if he lost and Arya still killed the Night King, Jon should've fought him.
He was way too busy with the very important business of screaming at a dragon to be involved in the defeat of the Night King in any meaningful way. Besides, you obviously don't need him there to help out when Arya can sneak past a closed ring of White Walkers and launch herself as if she's been fired from a gigantic sling shot. What a goddamn travesty this show turned out to be.
If Arya HAD to kill him. Have Jon fight the NK, in a well structured fight scene slowly driving him away from Bran. We just about hear Bran mutter "he's better than you." Jon is knocked down and Arya leaps in with a Tower of Joy callback to finish the fight.
Nah it should of been podrick picking up long claw and kicking the kings ass
I wanted Arya and Jon teaming against the Night King
@@toungeenaamoo yeah, same. it should've went that way. with both delivering killing blows to the NK. or JS ultimately doing the deed.
Season 8 doesn't exist. It is so shity that D&D should be ashamed for what they did to this show. To think that we waited 2 years for it. Baffling.
For me GoT ended in season 6.
I like to think to myself that after he destroyed the Wall that the Night King just marched south and killed everyone. And then he sat on the throne himself. The end.
TWO YEARS!! FOR WHAT!?
For me it ended in Season 4 😂 Season 6 was good, but we had to get through Season 5 to reach it
So glad they decided to stop after season 4.
You suggest they go Alan Smithee with it
Dany: "Did you die"?
The Dothraki: "Sadly yes. But I managed to survive"
Arya killing the NK is like Hermione killing Voldermort. BUT ITS UNEXPECTED!!!!!
yeah, if I showed up in their homes, tied them up, beat them senseless, and took a shit in their mouths I'm sure that would be unexpected, so by their logic it would be just fine for me to do that.
Do I think Hermione was skilled enought to kill Voldemort given the task? Yes. The same for Arya and the Night King. Does that mean they should abandon years and several books of build up and foreshadowing to do that? Of course not that would be ludicrous.
subverting expectations dude
@@jeffstut55 Only expectation they subverted was the one where we expected it to be good or make any fucking sense.
@@LucasBR702 Of course there would be someone here relating this to gender smh
Season 8. The only season i haven't watched more than once....
@Ricardo Diaz agree. S7 you could predict the demise
Wow so true lol
S7 is worse. writing as bad, much less blockbuster action.
I did not watch it period. After season 7.
same... whenever I rewatch I stop at 6 or 7
The story was a serious turd. But the visuals damn. Great visual artists. And the music score was epic. HBO D&D wasted many people's efforts.
This is the saddest part.
Naa the Visuals could be better. I mean look at lotr. It's like 20 years old and the visuals are still better. Thats a bit sad. And the music in Lord of the Rings is better. My opinion
Actually HBO tried toget D&D to go for at least 10 seasons but Dumass & Dipshit were too busy running out the door for those big Star Wars bucks. The fact that even in the abortion that was seasons 7&8 the actors ,cinematagrophers, CGI specialists and wardrobe and crafts were at such a high caliber prove that the destruction of what should have been telivisions greateset series was the work of two A-holes. When the next Star Wars comes out written by these two let's show them the North isn't the only ones that remember!
They shit on the huge efforts of all the cast and crew
When you could actually see ... the visuals were great. How did they fk up the night scenes so much though. I couldn't see jack sht.
Helm’s Deep is hands down my favorite LOTR battle scene. I’ve seen it over 100 times and it NEVER gets old. Ever. D&D just didn’t care about their project anymore but were too selfish to hand it off to someone who would care.
They completely destroyed a franchise that could have spawned more sequels, merchandising, video games and maybe even a movie or three. I’m sure George R.R. is as pissed as anyone.
kesayo not for anything but George doesn’t have the right to be pissed. He didn’t finish the books. Anything that happened in the TV series is his fault. Should’ve finished what he started.
@@dylankane9709 agreed
Dylan Kane that’s stupid. Do you know how big those 5 books are? There’s enough material there for them to have kept using but they instead chose to rush.
Dylan Kane you are just a dumbass it takes time to write books he can’t just rush a book out there it wouldn’t turn out good just like the show
@@firstlast2632 Meanwhile the lazy Tolkien is knowned for a minuscule book and only 3 big books wrote in 12 years , and didn't even finish the prequel (Silmarillion).I can't believe this people read with their brain.
You forgot the part where jamie and cersei could have took three steps to the left and survived
Every little thing wrong with this season makes me so angry. Nothing will ever touch Breaking Bad. Nice try Dan and Dave, comparing their shit show to BB, A or A+. WAFJ
@@karenm9170 Up until season 5-6, GoT was neck on neck with BB, i'd argue it actually trumped it at some point. BB did one thing better in my opinion: It actually delivered an ending worthy of rememberance. Also, i'll give extra points to Gilligan for coming up with the BB story instead of adapting a series of books and turning them into a show. However, BB plot moved at an extremely slow pace and apart from the dialogue/interactions between the characters, nothing breathtaking happened. Is there really any BB moment that can compare to the Blackwater Bay battle when it comes to visuals, atmosphere, backstory etc? I'd say no but feel free to prove me wrong, i'll be more than happy.
They were doomed. That was kind of the point.
Vikings was always better IMO But that’s because Vikings is my favorite show period
@@VelocityReviews Vikings went to shit somewhere around season 4, more or less when Ragnar started getting addicted on some Chinese drug. It only went downhills from there imo, including everyone starting to *TaLk-LiKE-rAg-NaR-bE-CaUsE-WeRe-EdgY-vi-KiNgS.* I loved the show, it was my favorite, I rewatched early seasons many times. But they broke my heart.
Just the phrase "she just... kinda forgot".
WHAT DO YOU MEAN "KINDA"
@Jack To be fair Daenerys was always stupid...
@@saeedvazirian Stupid, yes. Dumber than Hodor? No.
@dodo2208 She's didn't randomly decided to go out flying, she was going home. Plus she wasn't alone; Like all her counselors suddenly forgot about the fleet ? Bullshit.
well she still knew they existed but not at this particular place she was flying over with her air unit because she was careless and happy and enthusi ..xhashhahfhfhfhfh sorry I just can't hhahaha
With the Missandei name thing, they also continuously pronounce Catelyn like Kaitlyn instead of Cat-lyn even though it's said multiple times in the show, with characters even calling her Cat (not Kate) and they are the PRODUCERS
There are random clips of them now just being straight up disrespectful and acting like they know nothing and don't care about the show waaay before they destroyed it. I'd like a thriller about evil producers who take a man's work and produce it masterfully at first and then halfway through turn it into a nightmare, because it's actually bizarre and makes no sense. It's like they started to hate the fans, show, and story. Weirdos
I’m sure someone else has already said this, but Bran was the bad guy all along. He manipulated events the entire time with his powers so he could become king. Bran is immortal since he can warg into other people. It’s also established he can affect the past because of Hodor. And at the end Bran goes searching for Drogon so he can have a weapon of mass destruction. Bran was literally the Palpatine of GoT.
That's my take on it as well.
No? No? No? When in the show was is shown that Bran wanted to be king? Or that he did all he did for that reason?
lauretta mensah bran “why do you think I came all this way?”
If that were the case it would have made the whole conclusion a lot more satisfying, but it's obvious that isn't what the writers intended.
He was supposed to be an archivist...
It’s Jon’s arc that irritates me the most. Heartbreakingly bad.
Sean V Honeslty Jamie’s makes me the most annoyed. Only because we watched as Jaime became an increasingly selfless man just to see him do a full 180
Let's face it. Not a single arc works 😂😂 how is that even possible!!
thorna100 Theon’s did
@@r2d2fromstartrek16 Barely. They still screwed up his death with a dumb banzai charge.
@@r2d2fromstartrek16 yea I'm not convinced. At least at best it was a generic arc.
Same thing with calling Gendry Rivers. If he would have been an acknowledged bastard he would have been "Waters" not "Rivers".
I can actually laugh about most of these things now but there is one dialoge I can't really forgive and that is Jaimes "I never cared about the innocent".
Feel your pain
Gendry was a rivers.
@@sandorclegane9622Paulie no he was raised in Kingslanding, not the Riverlands. besides, he wasn't even an acknowledged bastard so he has no last name
Jahkyah Winston he was born in the river lands so he’s a rivers
@@sandorclegane9622 where did you get that information
What pissed me of was that D&D called all of the dissatisfied fans "toxic fandom" and said things like "people are mad because they didn't get the ending they wanted", it is so frustrating to see the share lack of responsibility these guys feel for completely destroying the legacy of such an amazing artwork. The fact the they completely disregard valid points fans make about giant plot holes in the last season and shift blame back to the fans is so ridiculously immature. How about acknowledging that this "toxic fandom" made you rich in the first place and you owe them at least as little as some respect. Damn... its been almost 2 years and I'm still mad
"Battles can get boring really quickly" ???? Where did you learn that writing class ???
they clearly did not have a lot of confidence in their battle, they must have thought that we would say something like "this has been done before but better"
"Yes, because it gets boring writing clang, cling, clang for a hundred pages." Said no author ever until these dumbshits.
Well, not everyone is into action to begin with. It's obvious there are people who were likely bored during Helm's Deep and any other battle sequence. The draw of GOT was never battles, after all.
That said, they're not wrong about that... in a general sense. Yes, really long battles absolutely can get boring... if you as a writer fail to give them the stakes they need to hold our attention throughout the entire battle. It's just common sense.
@@frieza65 I thought Helms Deep was more suspenseful than anything. Just like the final battle in Saving Private Ryan, with the overwhelming sense of dread. The action just added to the experience, which is the main reason for creating a final battle. At least that's what I always thought.
yes battles get very boring (said in sarcasm)....... that´s why i don´t repeatedly watch battles like: helms deep, minas tirith, yavin 4, endor, naboo, mustafar, hell even the battle where dany´s army fights the lannisters for the first time
Because of them a lot of people will never rewatch GoT, myself included. What even is the point when all the jon snow scenes are now useless. Whats the point of cersei scenes if she just dies from bricks.
@John Smith Yeah, I was hoping that tyrion finds cersei somewhat alive in the rubble and he then strangles her in anger of her actions leading to the deaths of so many civilians. That would have been awesome but no, dumb and dumber were more interested in Romeo & Juliet type of love stories.
@John Smith but not all prophecies are real. Most of them all bullshit. The prince that was promised was also a bullshit prophecy.
You guys forget about bran i thaught he would get an awesome part being a wizard or warp in the dragon and the night king didnt made sence either or the thing when brienne the strongest warrior got beaten by an little girl
@@EdenDGarden it was a show retcon thought.
@@joaocbcneto hope George RR Martín does something with all those prophecies and doesn't just forget about them (like some morons (D&D) did).
7 seasons of 'The prince that was promised' for nothing.
And by the way Rhaegar is an idiot in both books and show. 'The dragon must have 3 heads?' that is not even a real prophecy, or 'A song of ice and fire' that is not a prophecy either. The Pact of Ice and Fire is a contract Cregan Stark and Rhaenyra Targaryen made, he would fight for her and his son will have a Targaryen princess as a bride (The Targaryen broke that contract).
Sorry about that lecture, couldn't stop myself :)
Bran: i can not be lord of anything
Tyrion: what about king? 😏
Bran: say no more.
he is not a lord its different
Bran: shit negro, thats all u had to say
@@mcsroom8930 Bran the Broken, First of his name, LORD of the Six Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm
He is a lord
@@MMadesen fu
@@mcsroom8930 and you my friend
The brother part is especially infuriating since Sam being the older brother is literally the entire reason for his character
They rushed it for Star Wars, &&&& now they're out at star wars.....
Dracarys to them
God the Sequels are already terrible just imagine how much worse they could have been
Yeah considering all the bad press Star Wars has gotten they definitely didn’t need anymore. D&D were definitely fired from it.
Basically once the material ran out, they didn't have a goddamn clue what they were doing. They could have turned around and rewrote all that material they omitted out of the story back into the show. Made a few more seasons out of it. HBO even wanted them to keep going, but they were more interested in ending it as quickly as possible so they could wreck another franchise.
That's why they should have made the show last 12 seasons. George would have a lot of time ti finish Winds of Winder and pergaps A dream of Spring and all would turn out to be the best tv series in history.
Star wars had already been wrecked before they got their hands on it.
I truly don’t understand why George and “Dumb and Dumber” didn’t didn’t hire a new show runner once it was obvious they didn’t want to work on the show anymore. 6 well done seasons of GoT then they get to work on Star Wars while some else makes another great 6 or 7 seasons that end the show would be the perfect think to happen. Now we have this shitty ending and they got what they deserved and were fired from Star Wars
I can’t believe the HBO executives let them get away with the absolute shit they peddled. I understand giving writers creative freedom but if I was one of the executives and read the script for season 7 and season 8 I would’ve fired them on the spot and got writers in who knew what to do
@@patwaddington I think hbo didn't expected the backlash
Note to self, never watch, read, or get involved in anything that has "D&D" on it.
What about dungeon and dragons
Or "GRRM", since we all don't live forever, and that's how long it will take Mr. Lazy to finish the damn story
@@looneyburgmusic do you think it's easy to write a masterpiece like this? There are too many loose ends
@@yashfinkazmi "Masterpiece"?
Think that's going just a bit too far... It's a fantasy series, one that most likely will never be finished, and not even an original one at that.
@@looneyburgmusic I think I exaggerated things a bit but still there are too many loose ends to tie in one book that's the problem with this gardening way it's hard to end things
"Dany's not her father, she's not insane, and she's not a sadist-"
Me: **looking at Season 8** You were on the verge of greatness, you were _this_ close!
D&D forgot that Danaerys should probably have emotions, finding out that Viserion was now a wight...
They didn’t even discuss it after that. And Bran saying “We don’t have time for this”. Bitch you are the one not doing anything.
I hated that. Imagine having to kill a reanimated corpse of your own child,to se your baby die once again.
It was just bullshit how she didn't feel anything. Rhaegal too,he was shot out of the sky and fell into the sea. She was upset for like five minutes.
Your "gone mad" montage is on point. And Dany's reaction to her brother's death was clearly one of shock and numbness. She wasn't sadistically gleeful or coldly psychopathic. She even named a dragon after him. D & D are the worst.
I don't even think it was shock and numbness. I think she understood that she had tried to help Viserys with the Dothraki, he rejected her advice and the advice of Jorah, he had abused and threatened her for her whole life, and she finally understood that all of those offenses he commited against the Khalesar could be forgiven to a degree since he wasn't one of the Dothraki. However, once he walked into that building, armed, and threatened the Khaleesi and her son, he crossed the line and she was resigned to the fact that that offense was unforgivable and would cost him his life.
It wasn't shock or numbness, it was just one of acceptance.
Actually, if you read the books, it was exactly that kind of reaction. The problem isn't Daenerys becoming mad, but HOW they've told us that.
@@narlabegins
I have read the books and she was niether gleeful or cold about her brother's death.
@@annabelstien2851 She even calls him "the man who used to be his brother" in her mind, before his death.
@@blaubeer8039 Exactly this. The "what" isn't ths problem, but the "how" is flawed as hell.
Bran spends his entire puberty going to beyond the wall and back when Jon and his A team killers did it in one episode 🧐
Yeah but Bran was crippled while the other guys returned on a dragon/horse
@Dillon notmylastname The worst part of that scene is they could have made it actually make sense by just using Bran. Bran follows Jon's crew Warging a raven, he sees that shit is quickly heading sideways. He then goes to the Weirwood in Winterfell and sits where Ned sat. He then Wargs Rhaegal in order to save Jon. Dany sees Rhaegal going awol or making some pre existing crys for help while flying away. (maybe akin to the noises Drogon was making when Dany handed him over to the slavers in Astapor) Dany then sees the army of the dead, saves Jon's crew, and the wight gets taken.
But nope what we get is a bunch of scenes that completely ruins any suspensions of disbelief. It's so clear that they only did a rough draft of the later seasons and spent the rest of their time just fucking around, letting other talented members of the crew to salvage the wreckage.
@@Johan-ct3xg Yeah well the freaking Gendry ran back to the wall in like few hours
He stayed there cuz he was becoming the 3 eyed raven. Can't be done in one episode
The A team!
Anyone who hires D&D today is basically saying "We don't care about talent or logic"
We forgot that they wrote GoT.
disney would probably do it when you consider the hired jj abrams
They're working on a show for Netflix based on some sci fi book series. Can you imagine going from the biggest show ever, to then Disney (where they got fired for failing to come up with an idea after being given an entire year to figure it out) to back to making shows based on an existing book series? Its like these guys only know how to adapt other people's work.
@@luismiranda8944 Well the only thing they actually did well is adapting GRRM’s existing books. They overreached, but then were brought back into their place.
There perfect for the velma show
One of the biggest tragedies for me, personally, was watching Jon go from being an incredibly likeable character for his undying loyalty to honour and doing the right thing, to being a guy who will just turn a blind eye to injustice for some strange. “She’s my queen” is just so anti-Jon and they make him say it about 17 times. What a bloody disaster.
Seriously Arya, Sansa, Tyrion, Varys, every fucking person saying: "Daenerys is fucked up" and Jon, a guy who refused to bend the knee which became the whole plot of season 7 just tells them "BuT sHe'S mY qUeEn" 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Totally! And I feel like he truly loved Ygritte but still left her to do what he felt was right.
this!!!
bUT sHE iS mY QUUUEeeen 💀 annoyed me more than anything else in the show i swear. tbh just say ''yeah she crazy but i love her'' and then do the same shit idc just fk that line wholeheartedly xD
I think screen rant was on to something when they said that Jon's lines were the victim of find+replace bug
Euron Geyjoy: "Let's build the largest fleet the world has ever seen!"
Iron Islands: "Do you see many trees here, man?"
yea i always wondered about that.. so dumb
in the books euron captures a lot of coastal land and rival ships and recruits pirates to join him. he also has connections he established overseas during his voyage. its not really THAT big of a stretch tbh. and they iron isalnds people arent just fishermen...
@@ipraytovodka the books are close to irrelevant for the series because if i dont know the books and im just going off of whats being shown to me none of that is conveyed.. not through storytelling and certainly through the visualization of that story.. to me its just a rather small rocky island and euron told his 20-30 men in attendance to "cut down every tree they can find"... good writing doesnt leave that off to the viewer to piece together via speculation....
@@obiwankenobi661 oh im not excusing this shitty directing...just pointing out they left out a chunk that explains exactly that
@@ipraytovodka yeah apparently getting a deal from disney was more important to these asswipes
GRRM killed our most beloved characters.
D and D killed our most beloved story.
They had to rush out for Star Wars
DuelTubeChannel that doesnt justify it. It only makes it more pathetic.
@@goobiethicc5054 I didn't want to justify them
@@goobiethicc5054 They never even considered people are not going to watch the new Star Wars because they knew D&D were in on it
Bran becoming king and being like "planned it all along" while sending Jon back to the nightwatch pissed me off the most (after Dannys total character execution).
How did the undead break through stone and/or concrete in the crypts when they captured an undead to bring to Cersei in a wooden crate?
The undead kind of forgot that concrete was hard to break.
@@Adino1 this is gold
plot armor and time machines,they get used a lot once the real material ran out.
Why does everyone keep saying concrete? The idea of a medieval fantasy having concrete building practices is ridiculous lol
@@TheJerbol didn't the Roman's use concrete? RIP to the Mad Villain btw
Why did bran acted as though jon finding out about his parents was really important if nothing was done with it
Because something important will happen in the books, it's just that D&D had no idea what nor where they clever enough to read a few fan theories and make their own version.
Because consistency didn't matter to D&D. Nor did good writing.
Because he knew it would send Dany into a murderous rage and Jon would kill her, be exiled, and Bran would be King. It was all for the throne and his selfish ambitions!
Danaerys committing genocide and then getting killed for it isn't important at all.
Cuz he kinda forgot
Plot twist: it’s all a conspiracy and GRR Martin asked them to do this so that people would flock to his books in the future to see the true ending.
Smoking poles is your destiny
Dumbass. George has no say in the show. It was D&D who wrote this bullshit.
Imagine that 😳😅
Didn't Martin actually tell them the ending several years in advance, so that if he wasn't able to finish the books, the show would still end?
I'm starting to think they either scrapped Martins original ending or Martin trolled them by giving them an entirely different one.
@@thekub32 r/woooosh for you sir.
If you need a segment after every episode of the writers explaining what happened in the episode, that’s a hell of a red flag
Exactly what the walking dead has done for the past few seasons to make up for their ineptitude too
D&D’s “Dany forgot about the iron fleet” is this generation’s “Jar Jar is the key to all of this.”
Matthew Doyle Jar Jar had thought put into it.
At least the jar jar craziness made a little sense 😂😂
There isn’t a generational gap between those two things
Nice try but... doesn’t work
No Dany didn't forget about the iron fleet. Dany KINDA forgot about the iron fleet
Now that Disney hired these two for Star Wars I bet Jar Jar becomes the key.
No, I want them to feel more pain. Star Wars wasn't enough
This is what happens when you put people in a position that they have NO right being in & give them a pen. They slaughtered GOT. Wars can get boring....proof positive these two had no idea what they were doing. Once the content was gone from the books, they showed how untalented & egotistic they are. Even now, in interviews, they have little clue & you can tell they don't care. They thought they were going to get more somewhere else, got bored of doing GOT, thought they were going to jump on another cash cow & leave, what they thought, was a dying one behind. They killed what could've been one the greatest stories, it had everything at first & it's potential was so great. Seriously, if they didn't want to do it anymore, give it to someone else, don't make people wait 10 years for THIS!
Make them bleed...
@@susan945 when they said 'battles can get boring' and then the video showed the LOTR battle of Helm's Deep... I LOVED that battle and it's one of my favourites of all time. Not ONCE was I bored whilst watching it. Battle can be boring if you don't know how to write battles....like D&D
Boycott D&D for butchering GoT
I want to KINDA forget i ever watched season 7 and 8
@Finq08 i want a series completely based on books
@Finq08 season 5 was slow but it was still good
@@Timo11042 you cannot place your opinion above someone elses.
Timo wait what was bad about season five it just seemed like another season to me
@@bobjones5869 same I liked s5 and 6, I just wish those books were out sooner.
I'm surprised that Melisandre didn't go to the Night King and say he was the Prince that was Promised
Tyrion: Who has a better story than Bran the broken?
Me: Probably anyone else.
Edit: wow thanks everyone for the likes.
Haha. Point.
Bran the broken. *Gods!* what a stupid name.
LITERALLY anyone else
That ending really just sucked up the Starks, making Bran "I can't be lord of anything" king and then making the Stark land seperate under Sansa as queen. And everyone was like, "that's cool, I don't want any independence like her, despite just having fought a war, we'll just obey this weird kid instead".
@@jonstfrancis i think the starks were do some recompense for all the shit they went through. But because of how it was all setup and how the ending played out, it felt kind of like a copout.
I was willing to excuse season 7 because I told myself that they were just saving up all the awesomeness for the last season. Turns out I was just another sweet summer child...
Where else would the show have gone? Everything that was bad about this season has been set up since season 7. But no one complained then. To be honest the show started to go off the rails after Martin left.
Meaning that went down hill in season 4. He left in season 3, I heard that from the started that season 4 was showing some weakness in season 5 it really started to show, but the battles scenes were great.
@@sophiawilson8696 Yeah, pretty much. We saw the awfully constructed Dorne storyline in season 5 and the butchering of Stannis's arc in season 6. Other than that, season 5 was tolerable, but the battle scenes in season 6 really papered over its cracks to some extent. By then, the quality of the dialogue had noticeably decreased, and season 7 was just all over the place. By then it was clear that they had given up with world building, and things were plot-driven rather than character-driven, with everything being rushed to reach the conclusion rather than progressing with the plot more organically.
I had zero expectations for s 8 after watching s 7. So in that regard I can't say I was disappointed... It was laughingly bad, so at least I got some entertainment from it.
@@ismailniyaz5167 Season 5 was god awful. So were Season 7 and 8 . Season 6 wasn't as bad, but poorly written as well. Arya's scenes in Braavos in Season 5 were boring AF, after all the buildup that was done to it for four seasons.
Robb Stark sent 2,000 men to their graves in season 1... mad robb confirmed
He also beheaded Lord Karstark
@@blaubeer8039 Not at all. Robb calls the banners like everyone else was doing in Westeros and only retaliated after the Lannisters attacked the Riverlands. You need to remember the real first battle (Whispering Woods) was Robb LIBERATING Riverrun from the Lannister siege. So no, Robb wasn't the attacker.
@@blaubeer8039 He was naive, not mad. It'd be mad of him to not take any action after the south deliberately killed their warden and (unbeknownst to them) attempted to murder one of the sons of that warden, then hold that warden's daughters hostage to force the Starks and by extension the rest of the north to swear fealty to crown. His actions were unfortunate not terrible. I'm not arguing for anyone else here but Robb, he lost the war due to betrayal. He lost because like any good Stark he was honor bound to act and acted accordingly to how Starks are known to act: Honorably; and thus ended up like father.
Robb was just going about what was expected of him after these atrocities were committed, hell The Great Jon Umber was there urging him on and his mother didn't stop him as she wanted to reunite her family which was torn apart because the Baratheon King came up north to visit his old friend to convince him to march back south with him and is what cause this whole thing to begin with, Robb was doing what he could clean up this mess. None of those actions sound like the actions of a mad man. They sound like the actions of a duty bound first born son doing what he could with what he had to reunite his family and perhaps gain vengeance against the Lannisters aka the family that really helped make this mess. TV Arya? Yeah she was going insane when she kept reciting the name of everyone she wanted to kill. No argument there.
@@blaubeer8039 He marched south only over "only some offended family honor"?.... Jesus.... His father, the warden of the North, was taken hostage and then beheaded after he found out a conspiracy of legitimacy in King's Landing, and after the rightful King was killed as well. How's Robb standing up against all the injustice that was going on "worse"?
in retrospect, robb was actually one of the best characters
"When dead mean and worse come hunting for us in The night do you think it matters who sits on the iron throne?" What i like about House of the Dragon is that they emphasize the importance of the prince that was promised and how a Targaryen must be the one sitting on the iron throne when the Night king and his army arrive
Bran becoming the the King and killing Dany just like that pisses me off to this day.
Will you wear the crown: why do you think I came all thiss way? Bullshit!!!
just confirms Bran is the real villain. (Not really, it was bad writing) Think about it! He could see all the past and what was going on and he even watched his sister get raped and was like "you looked so pretty your wedding night" then lies about no wanting until he has the chance to be King. Tyrion shoulda been like "wait a second!"
@@HorFell ikr!! He is the real villian here. Tyrion is supposed to be the smartest here. That's why I was so pissed off when he said "why do you think I came all this way?"
@@sneh5748 Yeah, there is a theory that Bloodraven possessed him and he is not a Bran anymore. But I doubt D&D even know about Bloodraven.
Danny becoming a mad queen and bran becoming a king makes perfect sense to me, however, the plot was rushed to the point it didn't. If the story line was strong and not lazy, it would have been hell of a series
@@HorFell he completely manipulated everyone
These guys managed to f* up the most incredible show of all time...
They should never get another job on Hollywood...
Truth is that they did not care, because they got that Star Wars job... hate those guys
Joaquim Eugênio Fernandes de Lima You know they created the show? And wrote all the other seasons? Just because the ending didn’t turn like you expected it isn’t a bad show neither are the writers. Wasn’t GoT about the unexpected plot twists? How could you then be mad at these plot twists?
But there is one negative point: they rushed the ending.
@@scipio5333 They are bad Writers. As soon as they had no more Sourcematerial from the books it started to go downhill.
Stimme der Vernunft Ok when did it star to go down? Season 7? You know that the material from the books only reaches to season 5 and the sixth season has the best episodes and is, as far as I know the best rated season of GoT (at least second best rated).
@@scipio5333 In my Opinion it started in season 5. The Dorne plotline was really bad, tyrion wasn't as good as before and the braavos plotline was erster mediocre too. But it still had good scenes. It was rotten inside but looked good. Season 7 was when it really started to fall apart. There were not enough good scenes to compensate for the bad ones and the old good thing i have to say about season 8 is that it can't geht worse anymore.
@@scipio5333If i write a book, a murder mystery, and i know the butler did it. I see someone figure out the butler did it, so now i panic and change it so the chambermaid did it. All the clues and foreshadowing is crap and its not gonna make any sense. Casual viewers probably liked the end of the show, cause they liked the characters and the visuals. But they didnt make sense, the characters actions didnt make sense. The show was incredibly inconsistent. 1 episode Euron gos 3 for 3 and snipes viserion out of the sky. The next episode the entire fleet cant hit 1 dragon, that 1 dragon proceeds to destroy all of kings landing alone. Why did Daenarys even need the north? At the start of s7 she had 3 dragons and a bigger army. Why in s6 did jon just stand there while cavalry charged him? Why did the show try and make us think Sansa and Arya would ever betray each other? How does the Iron Fleet teleport from Kings Landing to Casterly Rock to Dorne to Kingslanding and then to Highgarden? Why is the show about massive battles and set pieces in the last 4 seasons instead of being a political character driven drama. Why did characters all start getting plot armor? Why was the most important character to die in the battle against the dead an old knight who got friend zoned? Also Martin stepped away from working on the show after season 4.
HBO: "Who should kill the Night King?"
1) Jon Snow: who has had the most to do the white walkers and has fought them since the very first season
2) Arya: who's story has had absolutely nothing to do with the white walkers and didn't even know about them being a threat till season 7
D&D: "Nah it wouldn't be right for it to be Jon. Arya's the right choice :)"
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Jon was my favorite character in the books, yet when they brought him back he ended up just not being useful in the end
It was believed that she was going to be the one to kill him, even hinted at by George. However no one just expected her to fly out of nowhere and just instantly stab him.
I'm fine with her making the kill... but it was so out of nowhere and ended so quickly... we never even saw the night king fight really... Like everything in the last 2 seasons they just rushed the shit out of it so it didn't feel deserved.
I mean Dany literally turns into a mad queen over the course of one episode. They kind of hinted at it but it's genuinely over the course of an episode that she goes from "I can't rule over ashes" to literally burning innocent people to ashes.
Personally I would've preferred Jon, just because they built up a rivalry with him and the Night king since Hardhome and it looked like it was going somewhere, and he has the most to do with the White walkers out of all the other characters(idk maybe D&D just kinda forgot, who knows?) I understand why people like Arya killing him, it's all matter of opinion. But to me it would be like if in Harry Potter Ron or Hermione defeated Voldemort instead of Harry
@@JLee-ws4dl I think they screwed themselves over by not doing very much with Arya and doing a ton with Jon Snow. It wasn't wrong to expect Jon to be the one to kill the night king because they spent so much time on him and even brought him back to life just for him to be sent back to the far north....
It took me almost two full years to recover from how bad Season 8 was. I rewatch some of the earlier seasons and just fall in love with this show all over again. Until I remember how terrible season 8 was, then I just stop watching.
Then do as I did. For me season 8 doesn’t exist. Period. And invent in your head a better ending, that is going to be way better than what we had. This show deserved better
Just binge watched for the first time since my first watch through (which was the month before the final season). I was so scorned. & now I am scorned all over again. Went from one of the biggest things in pop culture that was building a huge legacy for it to disappear overnight. If you search GOT nothing recent comes up. The ending completely sent everything this story was and could’ve been up in smoke.
lol you should have gotten the message after season 4.
Season 7 and 8 sucks a lot
2:58 "Avoid the expected"
He's right, no one expected the finale to be so bad...
HA true.. not even Ned’s death shocked and sadden us as much so they got what they wanted I guess
I hated that line "avoid the unexpected". That is the literal subverting our expectations. And it's AWFUL! This is why Hollywood sucks and books are brilliant. Authors are the true storytellers.
Pretty sure D&D blew most of the budget on strippers and cocaine then realized they had one night to put a script in front of the execs at HBO and thats how we got the final season.
That would explain SO MUCH
If that was a truth, I would be more willing to forgive for a reason like this. I mean addiction is hard. But we all know the truth, of theirs greediness so fuck this 2 bastards
D&D look like the type who gets off on fiddling with little boys.
I don’t really know if they do I’m just saying it out of anger
Cato Sicarius its so ridiculous yet not that far fetched😂😂
I'm go ahead and agree
I'm not even mad that Daenerys went mad despite the fact I wanted her to win the game of thrones, I think it would have been epic to witness her descent into madness over the course of an entire season. Not like, Jon's your nephew, bye bye dragon, bye bye Missandei...and the bells....DRACARYS!!
talaneobernardo yesss! I think if it had been set up properly it would have been devastating but it’s GoT, no one was expecting a perfect happy ending for all the characters
But the main reason why Daenerys' heel turn pissed me off was mostly about how they cheesed that off.
the problem people have with this is not that daeny goes mad (that was foreshadowed in ike the first book) but that her character developement goes from sane to mad in what seems to be a couple of seconds
I have a big issue with varys turning on her so quickly in favor of Jon bc cocks or whatever, when he's basically been secretly backing her claim to the throne since the beginning
SO TRUE THANK U
I thought i'm the only one who was looking forward to see that.
Honestly my whole hope for the long night was a whole 8-9 episode with in darkness, takes at least a few years or at least months, and i know it's call Winterfell but I wouldn't mind if Winterfell, fell to winter, so we can see the effects of the night king making his way down to the south
That GRRM clip completely demolishes the argument that random subversion of expectations is a good writing device.
Common sense demolished that argument
@@dtpiers6136 Some people are impervious to common sense
Subverting expectations can be good when executed properly. What it has turned into in the hands of flawed writers is the equivalent of a jump scare. It's cheap and only there to surprise you.
Exactly! Any good writer will tell you that you have to have, for the most part, your story mapped out from beginning to end early in the writing process, and if you set something up that will serve as a surprise toward the end, but the readers figure out your foreshadowing before the surprise is revealed, you can't just decide you're going to change the ending so your readers will be proven wrong. It f's up the entire story if you change things based on the readers' theories, or even if you just foreshadow something multiple times (in a book that isn't a part of a series) and then do the opposite of what you foreshadowed at the end of the book. This also applies to writing movie and television scripts. Don't foreshadow something over the course of a movie or tv series and then not pay that off.
@@rvantong Yes, the red wedding is a perfect example of good execution.
Bran saw everything and made everything go the way it did to become the king...
Mad Bran confirmed
Watch GoT WTF edition Season 8 Ep 6 on TH-cam. It's like that, and it made more sense than the actual show.
I can't believe how poor a job they did making people forget that this is not Bran. His soul is just one of many inhabiting that body.
How can bran see everything ahead of his time? He is the memory. He knows the present and the past and nothing of the future. He can assume, but how sure will he be that when he gives the dagger to arya, she will use it to kill TNK? (including other things he did that led him to be the king)
@@rhysand6629 Arya's plot armor is maximum. Well over 9000
@@ShamblesMD that did not answer my question- if it is ever answerable.
Everyone doesn't get that D&D believe writing is 'good' just if no one predicted it. They don't care if they contradict themselves or their characters, all they care about is 'shocking' the viewer.
What else do you expect from graduates of the Rian Johnson School of Scriptwriting?
Krav Magoo
Damn, you beat me to it
I prefer predicted but well established story than plot-twisted crap with so much plot holes that when I watched it my mind kept telling me it wasn't happening
Sansa should kill the night king
Well they definitely “shocked” me... I couldn’t believe the absolute fucking shit show I was watching
It makes me happy to know that deep down I’m sure they both know how much their previous fans truly hate them and the garbage they sold us for season 8
I laughed so loud upon reading “Return of the Dothraki”🤣
After the End of Dothraki 🤣
Yep, clearly Drogon flew to Egypt and fetched Dany book of the dead and resurrected all the dothrakis and unsullied died from battle of Winterfell .
Dothraki came backy
@@Tombbistol Dany probably learned how to make fire zombies off screen at some point from Beric or Meli. D&D just sort of forgot to mention it in the show.
@@xenosaga8436 "D&D sort of forgot, but Dany didn't"
Yeah, not to mention the end of the Dothraki was tremendously, isanely idiotic. S8E3 is the worst episode in the entire show, while it should be one of the best
In a recent interview, D&D gave away the fact that Benioffs dad worked with the head of HBO at the time they got the job, which means his dad got them that job and they proceeded to fail upwards
Rich nepotism
No talent and nepotism, deadliest combo
Man Benioff was one of the writers of Wolverine Origins what where people actually expecting good writing.
You people are the bottom of the barrel. Please post what you’ve brought to the world around you so we can laugh and shit on it. Cowards!
@@shrutefarms4741 yes you need to be an accomplished writer to critique writing, just like you need to be a professional chef to critique food right?
I liked Tyrion better when he was in King's Landing, that's where he belonged. The moment he joined Dany it's like he became more stupid or sumthin'
The moment he became stupid is when the show ran out of book material. In Fact that happened to the entire show
Tyrion lost all his character flaws (except drinking) and proceeded to lose his character traits. He was quick witted and smart at politics. In the end, he couldn't make a single smart move until it was completely obvious.
D&D started writing it because George Martin was too lazy, everything became stupider. They can’t really write.
He became stupid cause they don't know how to writte intelligent characters(look what they did to littlefinger and varys) and omitted the tysha revelation turning him into a different person who now for some reason cares about breaking the wheel and trusts cersei
@@54marklGeorge did not become lazy, obviously you have not read the books and are completely ignorant of the incredible world he's created.
Dumb and Dummer pissed all over George, all the fans and hbo.
All I want is a honest talk from Martin about season 8. Like, how is he feeling about it? Cause man, I´m pissed, now imagine this guy
He is obviously not happy with it, didnt you see the end bit wher he talks? He doesnt wanna insult or talk bad because he is a good guy but he saya it in a kind way
@@femalehitchhikersguidetoth8990 That clip is from 2011
He has a clip saying”we could gave gone more seasons and episodes but they didnt think so. There was enough material for more seasons” so yeah
He dosent care
Its why his books arent finished yet
@@mr.fantastic6568 he must care. Imagine spending all that time making your books perfect only for D&D to rush the TV series ending and screw it up even though they had the option of more series. Its like making the perfect 7 tier wedding cake and finishing it off with a house brick on top