I've been trying to fit aluminium windows today, manufacturer instructions non existent. Finished the day without a single glazing unit installed, stressed as anything. Trying to research this topic on TH-cam without success...but wait... It's Roger Bisby from skill builder with WITHOUT DOUBT the best aluminium window fitting video on TH-cam. Thanks for everything Roger, continually saving the day for builders everywhere!
@@patbosher8963 Nothing to do with qualification it’s all to do with attitude and skills and Roger sed he paid them that is disappointing as that supports all that unqualified feeling 😡😡😡 I got window company who messed up £6000 door. There was two options give me £3000 payment back and take the door and fit in they A...h...e 😉 or I keep the door and rest £3000 and I didn’t see them since and I got door for £3000 but it was with arguments and stuff but I got evidence 🛠🛠
This is why I do it myself , I know for sure I can balls it up but at least I haven't paid someone else to balls it up. Fantastic Roger, brilliant video as always. Thank you
Literally have no intentions of ever fitting these doors, however it's great to watch some one with such skill and knowledge on jobs like this. Nice one.
I honestly feel better knowing it's not just me this crap happens too. Sometimes it's as if wanting people to do there job properly is too much too ask.
Yeah ditto you pay people and expect them to do a proper job as it’s their so called profession but too many cowboys that want quick money , I’m like roger I try do it myself or watch them like a hawk , appreciate the good guys hate this but has to be done due to the bag eggs out there
It's great that you show that not everything goes to plan, there are so many TH-cam channels which act like everything goes perfectly. You fixed it and put it right. You care about your clients.
When I built my extension in 1989 I had new aluminium framed windows and I had to fix the rubber gasket in and my friend who was a glazier said spray some window cleaner on the gasket as it help it slide in. They were constructed differently to those as the trims had the gasket on and the rubber was on the inside. Great video and tips, thanks for sharing your expertise and knowledge, sometimes if you want a job done correctly you have to do it yourself. 👍
Your videos are great. We all cock up occasionally but you hit the nail on the head when you talk about caring. A good builder is the one for whom the outcome of the job supersedes the financial gain by a mile. They love it when the get it right. Cheers
I've just had pario doors supplied and fixed. Because of your vid, I double and treble checked all the measurements before ordering. All went well, so a big thanks to you!
Massive respect Roger for going to the trouble of actually raising the lintel .That size opening certainly isn’t a quick fix to sort it . Dead lucky it was 2 separates 👌🏼. Pride in your work is very important and a good habit to have but it is sadly lacking a lot nowadays 😕 Great video 👌🏼🧱👍🏼
Great work Roger. It’s certainly beyond my very average DIY skills. I had my installed by a local company who are a subsidiary of Sutton Windows. Fortunately, they did a good job.
Thanks. I'm having patio doors made and installed now. I'm checking everything they're doing, and have found mistakes and omissions already (they have yet to be made). Thanks to you! I'm no their case!
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Roger, you raised my blood pressure today. We had (had to pay 100% up front of over £11,000) 3 sets of aluminium 3 metre wide bi-fold doors installed in our extension, we gave them measurements of openings, they said they measure themselves to prevent mistakes. The doors came the wrong size, , then the last set came too short, missing locks and keys, installed using a clear silicone sealant around the frame showing all the coloured wedges, then the door seals were all binding, there were door seals cut too short, the locking mechanisms were too tight, screws missing in guides, screws that were fitted were stripped threads. The sills were the main problem, we gave them the measurements of floor height like you did, they f----d the height and we have a 10mm high sill which is a pain, nobody was interested. Thanks for getting as stressed as us.........😆
Wow Roger your videos are amazing what you manage to do! Would love to see more bifold doors resolving install mistakes! I want to reverse the way my doors open!
Hello Roger, I am a plumber myself but im amazed with your work! ive sat here watching your videos for hours! you take such pride in your work and its lovely to see. If i was to have a house built id defiantly want you doing it haha! Where are you based? All the best Roger!
Nice job Roger. There is a knack to those beads alright. Put the glass side in first, then keep pressure on the front edge and then a bit of a tap of a non marking rubber hammer. A spray of soapy water helps with the rubber seals too.
Have similar problem with a simple double door but with double glazing. Our (wooden) house was prefabricated with doors and windows pre-mounted. I suspect that the guys mounting the windows and doors did a "quick and dirty", no time to lose, on to the next......They went bankrupt a couple of years ago. Guess what, nobody wants to service to finally solve the problem....I am reluctant to pull out a triple glaze pane of say 1.20 * 2.00 mtrs.....seems like it is the only way to solve the problem though....Thanks for your very clear explanation Roger. Wish we had a trustworthy guy like you around the corner.....
rog when you mark your beads number them per sash 1t 1b 1r 1L easier than LL LR RR RL gets confusing especially when you have more openers,and when you put the gasket in use glass cleaner as lubricant if there tight ...keep up the good work.
Hi Roger. You want to try the origin bifolds. They are amazing to work with and fit. The company I work for are a premium installer for them. We've been fitting them in the Thames Valley area for years. If your ever in the Reading area pop into our show room where we have 3 different sets on show and I'll show you some of the features that make them easier to fit and miles ahead of the competition. The problem you had with the ffl we avoid by using a specific survey form that shows all the threshold and cill dimensions and the head detail. Once the survey is completed a copy is emailed to all parties involved so everyone is working to the same details.
Nathan Ellis, this isn't entirely the window installers fault. It sounds like they installed it as high as the lintel would allow. In order to fix it he had to raise the lintel. Granted the installers should have said something but its not their fault.
@@markschiavone8003 yea but didn't they measure before tho as he gave them the line to measure to? Window fitters are terrible nowadays this happens all the time even tho they have the opening to measure to and they hold jobs up for months
rhys evans, doors come in stock sizes and it's the contractor's job to frame the opening to the stock size and since he had to move the lintel I'd say he framed the opening incorrectly.
@@markschiavone8003 whilst you can get off the peg doors in frame, in this instance (and normal for UK builders) is that the glaziers come and survey structural opening once they are built and make the doors / windows to suit the openings. The reason Roger was annoyed and had to change the opening was because the bi folds were made to the full opening and they had disregarded his instructions to have the cill finish on a given mark. Roger could not have calculated the size as different glaziers might use different cills. I sympathise with Roger as you can be all over a job but variables are the enemy. When you give instructions you hope they have been understood correctly but if you over do it they complain you are telling them how to do their job.
Great video Roger. Any plans to show the patio construction. I have something similar to do and would like to see how you decked up to and onto the main wall, the ledger plate fixings etc.
Roger, I've had water coming in the back door, water coming in the front door, and through the roof. ......... Previous owner had some shody work done..... The back door is UPVC, I'm going to swap it for a nice timber door when I get the time, I've bodged it for now drilling new weep holes through the threshold and masticing the sides of the threshold, it's working well. I swapped the front door, it had this concete step with holes that the frame dropped into and a recess for the door to close against (obviously it opens inwards) which sounds nice from the perspective of drafts but was just a recipe for water ingress, I've had the frame out, new frame in, filled the holes in the step and set the new frame further forwards so the door is further forward and doesn't close into the recess in the step but is above it on the raised part of the step, got it done just in time for the recent storms and no water ingress! Now just into the loft the patch the ripped felt, hopefully that will stop the water running down the cavity until I can get on the roof in better weather to check the tiles..... This was flagged by the mortgage company as rising damp and this is why people think rising damp and damp treatment is a con, I don't dispute it exists but more of than not it's penetrating damp not rising damp.
I like the fact that you are "old school" Roger, we hardly out source any work on contracting as they just don't care, I will do a job a different way if I know it will last 30yrs not 15. in our job anyone can make a mistake, it takes a tradesman to get over it! the guy on the patio behind you could have offered you a beer!!
Well done Roger glad you showed the toe and heal way of weight transfer of the glass have watched some on hear who don`t explain this in there videos and yes there are still lots of duff so called tradesmen out there who just don`t come back, thing is they get payed? whats all that about l don`t take any money until the job is complete and the customer is happy don`t get me wrong there are a lot of tradesmen who are worth there salt and have a lot of pride in the work they do and a lot of good youngsters who will fill us old uns boots, have been putting builders work right for 35 yrs so have seen many foul ups some big named company`s who should know better as well, great video well worth the watch
The old saying goes....."We do everything right....because we do it TWICE " . Technicians hate doing FOLLOW-UP jobs from another tech because it takes twice as long to find out where the first worker screwed up . Thanks for the video. We can always appreciate ways to learn CORRECTLY. JwgK
Welldone Roger I would of been spitting feathers over that,you hit the nail on head when you said it wasn't that your better it's just that you care more,I'm a carpenter from sheppey and I tend to watch more furniture making and shop projects than building,But I simply love this channel your a great bloke welldone and all the while you can keep it up.
Be good to see you do more about windows and doors, a big part of any building, but something that gets overlooked, when it comes to installer skill sets and best practices. And I speak as someone with 40+ years in the window industry.
Great video and you share the same anxiety I do about my level threshold. no one seems to have either the knowledge or experience to have any confidence with level thresholds. Particularly the slotted drains needed on the outside above dpc. It would make a great video to evaporate the mystique with this issue in relation to building control and mitigation of moisture away from bifold/sliding doors and brickwork beneath. Please please please produce this video.... I’m sure you’ll get a million views 🎉🎉 In the meantime keep up the good work you do on all fronts
Interesting comment, never trust anyone always check your self. Problem is if you are Joe (not a builder) Public how do you do that? I follow a number of channels where price, what you should charge etc comes up. How do people make an informed choice if you don’t know what you are looking for? Even yourself, bet the guys who did that job lifestyle were not the cheapest, yet caused you a massive headache and number of hours to correct the work Really enjoy the content, keep up the good work Robin and you do. Nice to see people do things well and care!
Did you check the low E was on the correct side, I would also advise packers on both jambs. This will keep the glass aligned with no tilt and makes forcing the door more difficult.
Little tip always make sure the packers are the same depth as the glass because if u dont get the packer under both pains of glass will cause a crack. Always check the bi folds have track drainage as alot dont so you have to drill face drainage in yourself. To allow the water to run out of the track onto the cill Also with the gaskett spray glass cleaner on the glass wen ure pushing the gaskett in helps it to pop in much easier. And also wen glazing always place a 2mm packer on the bottom then pack the top then pack the 2 sides as you are able to get a few more mm in lift if required. Hope this also helps.
All sealed units shatter again if a packer is not plaiced under both pains i have seen many doors. Bi folds. Patio doors. Conservatory doors front doors with cracks in the corners due to incorrect packing
When we `heal and toe` our doors, once they are in the correct position we also pack the stiles as sometimes when your knocking in the beads the glass can move slightly and you can lose the parallel line of the gasket to the frame on the stiles.
Care and pride Roger, it the 2 things that make a man a proper tradesman ... Would of expected them more likely been 10mm short so had wiggle room . Was a right cockup and no idea how they measure any door fitment well if don't know the sill measures :-/ anyway you put it right, serious ballache but you more more man and more knowledge because of it ... Keep up the good work 👍
Things may of changed i worked for a double glazing firm , bricklayer building the conservatory bases but like most good tradesmen we learn other trades over the years and we keep learning ,if we work on a private house ,,say ,,, maybe we are installing double glazing ,,it could be on an extension we need building control to check our work , with double glazing firms the window fitters may not be a trade person and he or she do not need to have their worked checked by building control because the company is fensa registered , what this means is the company maybe,be approved installer but it does not mean the the people who work for them are, The window installer may not understand about damp barriers even lintels ,
I fit Bi folds quite often, tip for getting gasket in is use the glazing paddle between the glass and the bead and space a couple of 5mm packers inbetween, if the glass has integral blinds then can usually only use a 3mm packer, sweat and a few choice words my be needed
That's a good idea for uPVC but you shouldn't need it for aluminium. If you do pack between the glass and lock remember to use a low or zero modulus silicone which won't eat away at the glass unit sealant. Also, if you do pack between the lock and glass then pack between the glass and plastic on the hinge side as well.
Hi I’m looking for some bi folds doors with your experience is there a particular company you would recommend I’m not looking for cheap doors I’m looking for a high quality and well made product . Love your channel Many thanks Darren
Brilliant follow up and explanation about the glazing being used to transfer the load Roger 👍 I remember when you first talked about moving the lintel, it was beyond fair play. Be interested to know how you packed under the sill?
Try wedging a 2/3mm packer in while you put the gasket in, it helps keep the gap open between the glass an bead while you push the gasket in an just work you way along each bead, works for me mate.
Dave hill no he used the glass spatula that you have to keep taking out an an moving it, you can just slide a Packer along as you go. Both the Same principle.
@@sphendoozy6938 I ve fitted a few of these and ally windows and never seen the gasket go in so easy, used a spacer as you say soapy water and the spatula to push the gasket in. I'am not a window fitter by the way, but have two sons, so somedays a window, soffit, facia guy and somedays a plumbers mate.
I hate having trusted another "trade" with something, then having to redo a job myself, because they've ballsed it up. Recently been working on a job with contractors i've never used ( clients choice ) and the sparky drill straight through a 4" wall 4 times where the other side we'd had been just plastered and finished and had a 'window fitter' go through a ceiling one weekend, all of which we had to arrange to get repaired. Thats why i stick to people we know and trust, with quality workmanship.
And thats where we also have issue on who to hire. Not being in the trade and not knowing who to trust. Although guess like a lot of work. I'm in IT and a trust worthy tech but there are a lot of IT techs out there who'd rip you off.
Well done ! thanks for sharing . I have the same problem with my aluminium 3 pane bi fold doors and I got lots of condensation and it gets moulded all around the frame of the wall. Like you I don’t trust anyone wish I could do it myself . Paid for good product but workmanship is rubbish .
Never trust anyone. Had a puncture the other day and yes you’ve guessed it the spare was the wrong wheel for the van. Brought from a dealer but of corse just out of warranty. Excellent videos thanks.
I am dead chuffed for you, and your client it all worked out in the end Rodger, But it must have cost overall a small fortune, in time sweat, and some cash, to raise the lintels,i have never heard of such a thing,, you really are a hero to the trade.
Powder coated flat aluminium bar stuck to the inside of the frame it can be set to the exact height required for floor finish . works for some scenarios where the doors were mesured incorrectly .
They so heavily regulate now they want everything signed off through building control, but this is one reason why I prefer to do things myself... firstly I learn new skills when I read into how things should be done and talk to people giving me a broader skill set. But also it allows me to take my time, do things to a higher standard which I’m happy with, and put some care and attention into the work I do. I’m in the trade myself but often find it difficult to find tradesman who don’t do more than bare minimum and often I’m unhappy with the work carried out. Problem is getting other people in is it’s rush rush rush to complete the job in order to get onto next job, and often take the easy route to get the job done as quick and hassle free as possible. Prime example is if I’m laying tv cables, I stick them under the floor or in the loft, but likes of Virgin Media, sky and even many aerial installers... but particularly the prior 2 won’t even enter lofts let alone lift floorboards. Problem is though they want a paper trail all the time and things signing off through building control. Yet this as demonstrated by this bifold door installation shows that when it is signed off often it’s still no guarantee of decent workmanship.
When i moved into my current house it had new double UPVC doors and the locking on them was an absolute nightmare. Snapped a key in the lock in the first week and finally managed to get them open. I had to adjust pretty much every single thing on them to get them to work properly. I think most of these places literally chuck the doors in and cant be arsed with making sure they are right. I could see daylight through the top of mine when they were closed.....
They take a lot of setting up to be perfect. I fit a lot of multi points in the wooden doors I make and often set up of the lock can take longer than the actual door install.
Nice job roger. I feel your pain I've worked in double glazing for 18 years no one can ever get a door hight right. I see this fuck up at least twice a month.
Completely agree I see a lot of people spending so much time adjusting locks and keeps and most the time it’s down to lazy people that can’t be arsed to glaze things right. I hate to say I work with these people 😩
by the way what is that face/image that appears in the rear window, (top right of the screen) at around 20:21 when the end music starts playing? Its a but freaky lol xD
Hey roger, i would love to see a video on how you store your tools. I have so many varied tools for all kinds of jobs, may use some of them once every 5 years. But i struggle to find them at that time. Do you have a system or some tips to share?
It is so sad that so many trades really don't give a damn about the job they are on. I have to say I was a bit shocked to see your video. I thought that folding door specialists might have actually tried to open the doors once they had fitted them. Presumably they would have fouled somewhere. Thanks for the lesson. You are a talented guy with the skills to put it across very well. Now about my cylinder aquastat.........
I did ask and I was even willing to pay for one of them to help me but they didn't return my call. As it was the tricky part was clicking those beads back in. I am glad I persisted with it, I hate having to ask people to rescue me.
Is this your own gaff then? Not nice for you but heartening that even pros like yourself have to deal with botched building works. We've had a string of cowboys through our house!
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I've been trying to fit aluminium windows today, manufacturer instructions non existent. Finished the day without a single glazing unit installed, stressed as anything. Trying to research this topic on TH-cam without success...but wait... It's Roger Bisby from skill builder with WITHOUT DOUBT the best aluminium window fitting video on TH-cam. Thanks for everything Roger, continually saving the day for builders everywhere!
This is the exact reason I do literally everything my self, takes me ages but at least I know it's going to be done how I want it.
Theres so many unqualified and rogue builders now. Something should be done to stop it. These loopholes are ready to jump into.
@@patbosher8963
Nothing to do with qualification it’s all to do with attitude and skills and
Roger sed he paid them that is disappointing as that supports all that unqualified feeling 😡😡😡 I got window company who messed up £6000 door. There was two options give me £3000 payment back and take the door and fit in they A...h...e 😉 or I keep the door and rest £3000 and I didn’t see them since and I got door for £3000 but it was with arguments and stuff but I got evidence 🛠🛠
@@TeeTee-zm2re sorry wasn’t clear it was bifold door with blinds built in glass. 3000 long
This is why I do it myself , I know for sure I can balls it up but at least I haven't paid someone else to balls it up.
Fantastic Roger, brilliant video as always. Thank you
Same here. Before lockdown I couldn’t instal a tap and now I’m re slating my roof 😎✌️
Literally have no intentions of ever fitting these doors, however it's great to watch some one with such skill and knowledge on jobs like this. Nice one.
I honestly feel better knowing it's not just me this crap happens too. Sometimes it's as if wanting people to do there job properly is too much too ask.
I know what you mean. Robin seems to pick good guys and keep them. We went too cheap with this one.
I know what you mean. It's like when people use the wrong word in their sentence.
Yeah ditto you pay people and expect them to do a proper job as it’s their so called profession but too many cowboys that want quick money , I’m like roger I try do it myself or watch them like a hawk , appreciate the good guys hate this but has to be done due to the bag eggs out there
@@untrainedprofessionals2374 Honestly, who cares? Get a life!
@@TELE6220 I can tell you're a lot of fun at a party. BORING!
It's great that you show that not everything goes to plan, there are so many TH-cam channels which act like everything goes perfectly.
You fixed it and put it right.
You care about your clients.
When I built my extension in 1989 I had new aluminium framed windows and I had to fix the rubber gasket in and my friend who was a glazier said spray some window cleaner on the gasket as it help it slide in. They were constructed differently to those as the trims had the gasket on and the rubber was on the inside. Great video and tips, thanks for sharing your expertise and knowledge, sometimes if you want a job done correctly you have to do it yourself. 👍
Well done Roger. You called it right - you care many don’t
Your videos are great. We all cock up occasionally but you hit the nail on the head when you talk about caring. A good builder is the one for whom the outcome of the job supersedes the financial gain by a mile. They love it when the get it right.
Cheers
I've just had pario doors supplied and fixed. Because of your vid, I double and treble checked all the measurements before ordering. All went well, so a big thanks to you!
Good advice on toe and heeling,
You are 100% right on others not caring.
Good video 👍🏻
Massive respect Roger for going to the trouble of actually raising the lintel .That size opening certainly isn’t a quick fix to sort it . Dead lucky it was 2 separates 👌🏼.
Pride in your work is very important and a good habit to have but it is sadly lacking a lot nowadays 😕
Great video 👌🏼🧱👍🏼
Totally agree.
Alan Green 🧱👍🏽
Great work Roger. It’s certainly beyond my very average DIY skills. I had my installed by a local company who are a subsidiary of Sutton Windows. Fortunately, they did a good job.
I have to install a 5 panel door system now. This is going to be very helpful. Thank you. Told in the manner of a genuine craftsman. Well done.
Great advice, re positioning wedges and honestly presented - thanks.
Thanks. I'm having patio doors made and installed now. I'm checking everything they're doing, and have found mistakes and omissions already (they have yet to be made). Thanks to you! I'm no their case!
16 dislikes, is that the window company's fitters😂😂😂
Well done on putting it right👍
Turns out dislikes come because people come here via TH-cam AI getting it wrong. Person then thinks I don't like this. Why and I getting this in my feed. I'll hit dislike to stop this. That's what I hear now TH-cam is moving away from subscriptions...
Roger, you raised my blood pressure today. We had (had to pay 100% up front of over £11,000) 3 sets of aluminium 3 metre wide bi-fold doors installed in our extension, we gave them measurements of openings, they said they measure themselves to prevent mistakes. The doors came the wrong size, , then the last set came too short, missing locks and keys, installed using a clear silicone sealant around the frame showing all the coloured wedges, then the door seals were all binding, there were door seals cut too short, the locking mechanisms were too tight, screws missing in guides, screws that were fitted were stripped threads. The sills were the main problem, we gave them the measurements of floor height like you did, they f----d the height and we have a 10mm high sill which is a pain, nobody was interested. Thanks for getting as stressed as us.........😆
sorry for that. Drives me nuts as well.
nice clear description on packing the glass in the frame. thanks
Great show good to know there's people out there who can put their hand to anything.
"Care" being the operative word....Nice job
U talk in a really realy good way , u definitely deserve a salute from me👍👍👍👍
Great effort Rodger , loving your determination to do it right 👍👏👏👏
Wow Roger your videos are amazing what you manage to do! Would love to see more bifold doors resolving install mistakes! I want to reverse the way my doors open!
Hello Roger, I am a plumber myself but im amazed with your work! ive sat here watching your videos for hours! you take such pride in your work and its lovely to see. If i was to have a house built id defiantly want you doing it haha! Where are you based? All the best Roger!
Hi Ashley
I live in Surrey but I am not looking for any more work. I am retirement age and my wife wants me to finish our house.
@@SkillBuilder Dont retire Roger i look forward to watching your videos mate! all the best mate.
Nice job Roger.
There is a knack to those beads alright.
Put the glass side in first, then keep pressure on the front edge and then a bit of a tap of a non marking rubber hammer.
A spray of soapy water helps with the rubber seals too.
Have similar problem with a simple double door but with double glazing. Our (wooden) house was prefabricated with doors and windows pre-mounted. I suspect that the guys mounting the windows and doors did a "quick and dirty", no time to lose, on to the next......They went bankrupt a couple of years ago. Guess what, nobody wants to service to finally solve the problem....I am reluctant to pull out a triple glaze pane of say 1.20 * 2.00 mtrs.....seems like it is the only way to solve the problem though....Thanks for your very clear explanation Roger. Wish we had a trustworthy guy like you around the corner.....
Mate I wish all my contractors were as caring about their work as you are. A star to be sure 👍
rog when you mark your beads number them per sash 1t 1b 1r 1L easier than LL LR RR RL gets confusing especially when you have more openers,and when you put the gasket in use glass cleaner as lubricant if there tight ...keep up the good work.
Hi Roger. You want to try the origin bifolds. They are amazing to work with and fit. The company I work for are a premium installer for them. We've been fitting them in the Thames Valley area for years. If your ever in the Reading area pop into our show room where we have 3 different sets on show and I'll show you some of the features that make them easier to fit and miles ahead of the competition. The problem you had with the ffl we avoid by using a specific survey form that shows all the threshold and cill dimensions and the head detail. Once the survey is completed a copy is emailed to all parties involved so everyone is working to the same details.
That is exactly what I needed. I will get in touch and come and see you. We can do a video covering the top things to consider.
@@SkillBuilder sounds good to me.
Thanks Roger, priceless advice given time and time again.
Ball ache on every job somewhere, too many people about that don't care enough to get it right first time.
Nathan Ellis, this isn't entirely the window installers fault. It sounds like they installed it as high as the lintel would allow. In order to fix it he had to raise the lintel. Granted the installers should have said something but its not their fault.
@@markschiavone8003 yea but didn't they measure before tho as he gave them the line to measure to?
Window fitters are terrible nowadays this happens all the time even tho they have the opening to measure to and they hold jobs up for months
rhys evans, doors come in stock sizes and it's the contractor's job to frame the opening to the stock size and since he had to move the lintel I'd say he framed the opening incorrectly.
@@markschiavone8003 whilst you can get off the peg doors in frame, in this instance (and normal for UK builders) is that the glaziers come and survey structural opening once they are built and make the doors / windows to suit the openings. The reason Roger was annoyed and had to change the opening was because the bi folds were made to the full opening and they had disregarded his instructions to have the cill finish on a given mark. Roger could not have calculated the size as different glaziers might use different cills. I sympathise with Roger as you can be all over a job but variables are the enemy. When you give instructions you hope they have been understood correctly but if you over do it they complain you are telling them how to do their job.
I've been on jobs even if they are standard sizing they come out and measure.. aluminium ones especially!
Really clear introduction to bifold doors installation.
Great video Roger. Any plans to show the patio construction. I have something similar to do and would like to see how you decked up to and onto the main wall, the ledger plate fixings etc.
I think you're right when using just the pressure from your hands getting the beads to snap in and seat nicely,
using a mallet can easily dent them.
An excellent lesson & explanation of "Toe & Heel" for a door
Roger, I've had water coming in the back door, water coming in the front door, and through the roof. ......... Previous owner had some shody work done..... The back door is UPVC, I'm going to swap it for a nice timber door when I get the time, I've bodged it for now drilling new weep holes through the threshold and masticing the sides of the threshold, it's working well. I swapped the front door, it had this concete step with holes that the frame dropped into and a recess for the door to close against (obviously it opens inwards) which sounds nice from the perspective of drafts but was just a recipe for water ingress, I've had the frame out, new frame in, filled the holes in the step and set the new frame further forwards so the door is further forward and doesn't close into the recess in the step but is above it on the raised part of the step, got it done just in time for the recent storms and no water ingress! Now just into the loft the patch the ripped felt, hopefully that will stop the water running down the cavity until I can get on the roof in better weather to check the tiles..... This was flagged by the mortgage company as rising damp and this is why people think rising damp and damp treatment is a con, I don't dispute it exists but more of than not it's penetrating damp not rising damp.
Very true the checking up bit. Alot of guys out there just dont care!. Nice vid. Cheers
Lovely Roger. Never done aly doors so good to know!
I like the fact that you are "old school" Roger, we hardly out source any work on contracting as they just don't care, I will do a job a different way if I know it will last 30yrs not 15. in our job anyone can make a mistake, it takes a tradesman to get over it! the guy on the patio behind you could have offered you a beer!!
Well done Roger glad you showed the toe and heal way of weight transfer of the glass have watched some on hear who don`t explain this in there videos and yes there are still lots of duff so called tradesmen out there who just don`t come back, thing is they get payed? whats all that about l don`t take any money until the job is complete and the customer is happy don`t get me wrong there are a lot of tradesmen who are worth there salt and have a lot of pride in the work they do and a lot of good youngsters who will fill us old uns boots, have been putting builders work right for 35 yrs so have seen many foul ups some big named company`s who should know better as well, great video well worth the watch
The old saying goes....."We do everything right....because we do it TWICE " . Technicians hate doing FOLLOW-UP jobs from another tech because it takes twice as long to find out where the first worker screwed up . Thanks for the video. We can always appreciate ways to learn CORRECTLY. JwgK
Great job Roger! That's how things should be done! Cheers.
Welldone Roger I would of been spitting feathers over that,you hit the nail on head when you said it wasn't that your better it's just that you care more,I'm a carpenter from sheppey and I tend to watch more furniture making and shop projects than building,But I simply love this channel your a great bloke welldone and all the while you can keep it up.
Nice one roger window fitters always in such a rush
Be good to see you do more about windows and doors, a big part of any building, but something that gets overlooked, when it comes to installer skill sets and best practices.
And I speak as someone with 40+ years in the window industry.
fantastic learning ... and understanding of pic doors & Glazing .. great stuff
Great video and you share the same anxiety I do about my level threshold. no one seems to have either the knowledge or experience to have any confidence with level thresholds. Particularly the slotted drains needed on the outside above dpc.
It would make a great video to evaporate the mystique with this issue in relation to building control and mitigation of moisture away from bifold/sliding doors and brickwork beneath. Please please please produce this video.... I’m sure you’ll get a million views 🎉🎉
In the meantime keep up the good work you do on all fronts
We are going to do something on it for sure.
Interesting comment, never trust anyone always check your self. Problem is if you are Joe (not a builder) Public how do you do that? I follow a number of channels where price, what you should charge etc comes up. How do people make an informed choice if you don’t know what you are looking for? Even yourself, bet the guys who did that job lifestyle were not the cheapest, yet caused you a massive headache and number of hours to correct the work
Really enjoy the content, keep up the good work Robin and you do. Nice to see people do things well and care!
Great work Roger, I feel you would talk and act exactly the same way even if you weren’t filming for a TH-cam vid 😂
Good work and attitude Rodger.
Saw this video when it came out. Bloody glad I remembered seeing it today, helped me cure a sagging door in no time. Thank you Roger. :)
That is great. Little things like having a door that opens and closes properly can be disproportionately satisfying. The Japanese have a word for it.
Well done! Thinking man's builder. A very rare animal these days.
Well done Roger old chap! 👍🏼
Exactly what my dear old dad said to me. Great video as usual.
Did you check the low E was on the correct side, I would also advise packers on both jambs.
This will keep the glass aligned with no tilt and makes forcing the door more difficult.
Little tip always make sure the packers are the same depth as the glass because if u dont get the packer under both pains of glass will cause a crack. Always check the bi folds have track drainage as alot dont so you have to drill face drainage in yourself. To allow the water to run out of the track onto the cill
Also with the gaskett spray glass cleaner on the glass wen ure pushing the gaskett in helps it to pop in much easier. And also wen glazing always place a 2mm packer on the bottom then pack the top then pack the 2 sides as you are able to get a few more mm in lift if required. Hope this also helps.
Would like to see toughened glass crack and not shatter,lam cracks like a bitch though.
Toughned glass cracks easier than normal glass. tougned is stronger from the face but not the corners
@@jayglover74 toughened doesn't crack it shatters.
I can assure you it does
All sealed units shatter again if a packer is not plaiced under both pains i have seen many doors. Bi folds. Patio doors. Conservatory doors front doors with cracks in the corners due to incorrect packing
When we `heal and toe` our doors, once they are in the correct position we also pack the stiles as sometimes when your knocking in the beads the glass can move slightly and you can lose the parallel line of the gasket to the frame on the stiles.
Yes I should have mentioned that. I did it once I was happy but forgot to say so.
Yep. Like I say to my missus. I am perfectly capable of stuffing it up myself. I don't need to pay someone to do it for me.
very informative
Care and pride Roger, it the 2 things that make a man a proper tradesman ...
Would of expected them more likely been 10mm short so had wiggle room .
Was a right cockup and no idea how they measure any door fitment well if don't know the sill measures :-/
anyway you put it right, serious ballache but you more more man and more knowledge because of it ...
Keep up the good work 👍
Too short would have been great
Keep up the great work - helpful and insightful content Roger. 👍🏽
Things may of changed i worked for a double glazing firm , bricklayer building the conservatory bases but like most good tradesmen we learn other trades over the years and we keep learning ,if we work on a private house ,,say ,,, maybe we are installing double glazing ,,it could be on an extension we need building control to check our work , with double glazing firms the window fitters may not be a trade person and he or she do not need to have their worked checked by building control because the company is fensa registered , what this means is the company maybe,be approved installer but it does not mean the the people who work for them are, The window installer may not understand about damp barriers even lintels ,
That is a good observation
I fit Bi folds quite often, tip for getting gasket in is use the glazing paddle between the glass and the bead and space a couple of 5mm packers inbetween, if the glass has integral blinds then can usually only use a 3mm packer, sweat and a few choice words my be needed
Gotta love the integral blinds. Especially when they fail and you need to change the glass
It's also good practice to pack out the area between the lock and the glass. Can help with the locking mechanism. Especially on PVCU doors.
Good tip. I think once you have it set right there is no harm in putting in more packers.
Mike Clewlow good advice , helps stop the tea-leafs spreading the rollers away from the keeps
That's a good idea for uPVC but you shouldn't need it for aluminium. If you do pack between the glass and lock remember to use a low or zero modulus silicone which won't eat away at the glass unit sealant. Also, if you do pack between the lock and glass then pack between the glass and plastic on the hinge side as well.
Hi I’m looking for some bi folds doors with your experience is there a particular company you would recommend I’m not looking for cheap doors I’m looking for a high quality and well made product .
Love your channel
Many thanks
Darren
Brilliant follow up and explanation about the glazing being used to transfer the load Roger 👍 I remember when you first talked about moving the lintel, it was beyond fair play. Be interested to know how you packed under the sill?
Hi Chris I put in a slip course of cut bricks
@@SkillBuilder Hi Roger, ah I thought so, cheers for saying!
Brilliant channel
Try wedging a 2/3mm packer in while you put the gasket in, it helps keep the gap open between the glass an bead while you push the gasket in an just work you way along each bead, works for me mate.
Good idea, it would have been great to have a decent window fitter there to guide me.
Tip for you - use a timber wedge instead will make it a lot easier
Didn't Roger say and do this in the video?
Dave hill no he used the glass spatula that you have to keep taking out an an moving it, you can just slide a Packer along as you go. Both the Same principle.
@@sphendoozy6938 I ve fitted a few of these and ally windows and never seen the gasket go in so easy, used a spacer as you say soapy water and the spatula to push the gasket in. I'am not a window fitter by the way, but have two sons, so somedays a window, soffit, facia guy and somedays a plumbers mate.
I hate having trusted another "trade" with something, then having to redo a job myself, because they've ballsed it up. Recently been working on a job with contractors i've never used ( clients choice ) and the sparky drill straight through a 4" wall 4 times where the other side we'd had been just plastered and finished and had a 'window fitter' go through a ceiling one weekend, all of which we had to arrange to get repaired. Thats why i stick to people we know and trust, with quality workmanship.
And thats where we also have issue on who to hire. Not being in the trade and not knowing who to trust. Although guess like a lot of work. I'm in IT and a trust worthy tech but there are a lot of IT techs out there who'd rip you off.
Well done ! thanks for sharing . I have the same problem with my aluminium 3 pane bi fold doors and I got lots of condensation and it gets moulded all around the frame of the wall. Like you I don’t trust anyone wish I could do it myself . Paid for good product but workmanship is rubbish .
Probably the first fitters were O'Reilly's men
Haha. You orelly men!
@@stuart.barkley ...lick o paint...half an hour
That would be the big hairy orangutan 😉
" Lick o paint , lick o paint , job done mr fawlty "
Great tips roger, especially the packers
Never trust anyone. Had a puncture the other day and yes you’ve guessed it the spare was the wrong wheel for the van. Brought from a dealer but of corse just out of warranty. Excellent videos thanks.
Great channel, love it. How did you remove the ally beads?
Once you pull out the rubber gasket the ally beads almost fall out
No one expects miracles but everyone must do a good job for it to be a brilliant job in the end!
The thing about Roger is that he cares about it. And he's got a lovely tool.
I know he's wearing shorts but I couldn't see his tool.
I am dead chuffed for you, and your client it all worked out in the end Rodger, But it must have cost overall a small fortune, in time sweat, and some cash, to raise the lintels,i have never heard of such a thing,, you really are a hero to the trade.
But safe to say, you won't busing them again.
Good problem solving though, even if it was totally unavoidable by other parties.
Any work with a civils component always has these issues, having a backup plan in mind always helps.
Powder coated flat aluminium bar stuck to the inside of the frame it can be set to the exact height required for floor finish . works for some scenarios where the doors were mesured incorrectly .
Cheap and easy to do
I still think it was his mattress with the £20s 😂 😂 😂
They so heavily regulate now they want everything signed off through building control, but this is one reason why I prefer to do things myself... firstly I learn new skills when I read into how things should be done and talk to people giving me a broader skill set. But also it allows me to take my time, do things to a higher standard which I’m happy with, and put some care and attention into the work I do. I’m in the trade myself but often find it difficult to find tradesman who don’t do more than bare minimum and often I’m unhappy with the work carried out. Problem is getting other people in is it’s rush rush rush to complete the job in order to get onto next job, and often take the easy route to get the job done as quick and hassle free as possible. Prime example is if I’m laying tv cables, I stick them under the floor or in the loft, but likes of Virgin Media, sky and even many aerial installers... but particularly the prior 2 won’t even enter lofts let alone lift floorboards. Problem is though they want a paper trail all the time and things signing off through building control. Yet this as demonstrated by this bifold door installation shows that when it is signed off often it’s still no guarantee of decent workmanship.
When i moved into my current house it had new double UPVC doors and the locking on them was an absolute nightmare. Snapped a key in the lock in the first week and finally managed to get them open. I had to adjust pretty much every single thing on them to get them to work properly. I think most of these places literally chuck the doors in and cant be arsed with making sure they are right. I could see daylight through the top of mine when they were closed.....
They take a lot of setting up to be perfect. I fit a lot of multi points in the wooden doors I make and often set up of the lock can take longer than the actual door install.
what suction pads are they?
Good work
Glad everything has turned out ok👍. Looked like a bit of graft. You probably needed a biscuit after lifting that lintle.
The biggest problem was deciding what to do. I couldn't leave it.
Nice job roger. I feel your pain I've worked in double glazing for 18 years no one can ever get a door hight right. I see this fuck up at least twice a month.
Doing locksmith work I would say around 50% of lock mechanism failure is down to doors being packed like a fixed pane.
Completely agree I see a lot of people spending so much time adjusting locks and keeps and most the time it’s down to lazy people that can’t be arsed to glaze things right. I hate to say I work with these people 😩
great video. what type of flooring did you lay? is it laminate or LVT?
Palio LVT
@@SkillBuilder is that the stick down type of the click together system?
by the way what is that face/image that appears in the rear window, (top right of the screen) at around 20:21 when the end music starts playing? Its a but freaky lol xD
Hey roger, i would love to see a video on how you store your tools. I have so many varied tools for all kinds of jobs, may use some of them once every 5 years. But i struggle to find them at that time. Do you have a system or some tips to share?
lol I bet you would like to see where he stores his tools 'eh Pikey Dan.
Try bohle triples glass suckers this what we use when fitting glass. much better then the pump ones
It is so sad that so many trades really don't give a damn about the job they are on. I have to say I was a bit shocked to see your video. I thought that folding door specialists might have actually tried to open the doors once they had fitted them. Presumably they would have fouled somewhere. Thanks for the lesson. You are a talented guy with the skills to put it across very well. Now about my cylinder aquastat.........
Nice job in the end Roger! To achieve the level threshold on the outside does the decking overhang the cill or butt up to it?
The deck sails onto the cill and there is a drain because the underside is a dry storage area for bikes and lawnmower etc.
Good stuff
Great problem solving..
Hello from serbia can you tell me what is in quality deference between
Bifold Aluminium door upper hinges.
And lower hinges what is beter.
"Door fitters wanted - no John Waynes need apply". We have to feel blessed they dont think they're engineers, building planes, trains etc!
Good video. Very interesting about the toe-ing and heel-ing. Must admit I'd ask the fitters to come back to at least help rebuild the door
I did ask and I was even willing to pay for one of them to help me but they didn't return my call. As it was the tricky part was clicking those beads back in. I am glad I persisted with it, I hate having to ask people to rescue me.
Cowboys springs to mind
It’s virtually impossible to get anything done properly these days
Is this your own gaff then? Not nice for you but heartening that even pros like yourself have to deal with botched building works. We've had a string of cowboys through our house!