Unbelievable Cowboy Plumbing Horror Show
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Roger repairs a mouldy shower that shouldn't need any attention given that it's only 10 years old. This shower is falling apart because regular plasterboard has turned to mush. It happens all the time but it shouldn't happen at all because there is a proven method of avoiding it.
Roger isn't happy with this bathroom repair and he's going to do the job properly with Abacus Elements board and do a 'belt and braces' job.
Shower leaking through the ceiling, leaks around shower, rotten bathroom tiles, water leaking through the ceiling.
#NoMoreLeaks #Bathroom #Plumbing
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In law, the householder shouldn't have to pay for this 'repair' because the original work was defective in design and materials specification or workmanship. There's no time limit on a latent defect it's not a 10 year limit just because the guarantee period is 10 years, you get 6 years from the date you know of the defect, there is case law on this. Unless the developer / builder is bust it's a viable claim and should be pursued for remedy from the originating fault party.
Michael, that may be the case but very few people have the means to pursue a case against big builders for what amounts to minor repairs. I doubt you would find a solicitor who would pursue it on a no win no fee basis. If you take the breakdown of a silicone seal around a shower tray as an example a builder could say that it is wear and tear and within the scope of routine maintenance. My argument is that silicone seals are not sufficient on there own to prevent water ingress because buildings move. There needs to be a backup, This is the argument against using plasterboard. It is not suitable for shower areas and that is now being acknowledged.
The British Standards have just been changed (20i8) to require tanking in shower areas. Given how long this has been a problem is well overdue.
How much did that job cost? I wouldnt have thought anything less than £3000.
TOP workmanship - sad to say but i rarely see such Top attention to detail and actual craftsmanship!
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I just wanted to say your videos are fantastic. I'm a handy man in the States and I see stuff exactly like this all the time. it blows my mind that the people installing this stuff from the get-go can't be bothered to do things properly. I am like you, in that I genuinely care about what I'm doing and I always try to do things the right way. I never cut corners. Indeed, doing so basically makes it so that you don't have to come back in the future for a fix. But on the other hand customers are so pleased with your work that they give you referrals to their friends and family and as well, if you're somewhat of a jack-of-all-trades they will call you back to do the other jobs that they have. In the long run, it pays dividends tenfold in the form of a larger client book.
So nice to find people who care about what they're doing and take pride in their work. Excellent video!!!
Not only that, he's extremely knowledgeable and willing to share it. Great guy!
From the start, Ryan was very helpful and is continuing to be helpful about his th-cam.com/users/postUgkxGqOCINHE0Z0E5gxzSdNi9NWGugRY5Hm2 Plans . Also, they have answered all the questions I have asked & I got outstanding support from his My Shed Plans full package.
I always wondered what Gordon Ramsay's brother did for a living...
He is a lot much gentle than Gordon. Soft spoken & kind :)
that is hilarious lol
Gordon Ramsay’s real brother is a heroin addict lol
@Sara Rossborough-Muhammad Exactly my thoughts - sounds/looks nothing like Gordon Ramsey - should try else where with that joke lol
I was thinking Chuckle Brothers. But you actually nailed it.
I'm a first time home owner (house is from 2004, we're the second owners) and as educational as these videos are they make me so nervous that there's all kinds of hidden disasters lurking inside our walls 😬
You, and me both. We're at the closing/appraisal phase because we took out an FHA loan, so the appraisal is mandatory for it. Watching these videos has given me new perspective. When I say new perspective I mean waking up from a red, sweat-soaked nightmare yelling things like "The foundation is cracked, we're all gonna die!" Lol this is obviously vastly over-dramatized, but you get the idea, LOL.
Sadly there will be. Builders cut corners to make money.
Best you can do is arm yourself with the knowledge and skills required to fix it yourself. I know there are things that will fail on my house, but I sleep well knowing that I won't be paying thousands to shady contractors to fix them.
Yeah, just watch youtube and you can fix pretty much everything. I found that my 2007 home didn't have the bathtub overflow drain connected to anything. Was sitting in the basement while the kid was in the bath and it started raining. I had to cut a hole in my drywall to see wtf was going on. Fairly shitty, and the builders went out of business so I don't even have the option to tell aomeone how stupid they are and how ashamed they should be, and that they're an embarrassment to their mother and father.
More you start to learn the more problems you will find with your home :P
"That's a clue isn't it?"
"He's a good man--and thorough".
M. Lebowski
With the price of new builds these days they should be built like palaces to be honest 😕
Hey there Ian, glad you liked it. Good news! We have Part 2 coming up on Friday 23rd November at 7pm GMT. Please make sure you come back and see this project completed!
I've just bought my 1st house, looked at loads bit not a single new build, as a spark I know how shit they are, definitely proof you a can polish a turd
They are mostly absolute sh!£
I just bought a new build home for 451k. New as in it was finished a month ago. In the first week of ownership I’ve had to fix both HVAC units and get the master shower (which is huge) regrouted due to cracking. Fun times.
New Builds are generally crap, but what do you expect when developers prioritse timescale and profits over quality. As for most of the subcontractors on domestic new builds, they work on price (not hourly rate) which just causes rushed/ slapdash installs and poor workmanship.
I like this guy. He cares about workmanship, unlike a lot of half assers out there!
A long time pro who takes pride in a good job. In the US when plaster gave way to drywall they used Greenwell for a few decades (probably with little testing) and as the guy said it did not hold up given cracked tiles over decades. Finally concrete board started to show up as demand for a better product increased and as far as I know a builder use this for showers now. The foam center is nice concrete board is heavy and hard to cut, builders probably would not pay for the additional complexity.
Rare breed, but as already said, it,s about the bottom line, that shower would win prizes now, not a good time for tradesmen....
@@willpelton1619 that tape you discus is acutall a glass fiber metrial the paint hes layering over the top is a sealant you clearly dotn have any clue what you are talking about
@@willpelton1619 okay you work. For a firm that's been I'm business 75+ years I'm from. A family of people. Of. Multiple. Trades who have been working as builders plumbers joiners and electricians for generations starting Off with the Irish navvies turned tradesmen so I think I'll take advice from my family and what they were taught from there ancestors and what I know over some plumb on the internet we have a tendancie for testing things and I care to say this stuff looks identical to something we've used for years which is glass fiber weave with a polyurethane and/or silicone sealant painted on top that stuff is just the same just packaged with a label smacked on it and charged at a mark up creates a great seal and stops water and moisture seaping through admitted the markup is insane. On that stuff but for the average dick who doesn't have trade accounts with company's its just the same for a price
@@willpelton1619 admitted one thing I. Did question was why she. He used the tape stuff with the sealant paint why he didn't sell all of the seams and only around the screws and piping that did lead me to think. I.. Pretty sure moisture could see through the seams of the board just as easy as it could the screw holes when my. Uncle has done this kinda stuff using straight sheets of fiberglass and silicone sealants he has covered every single seam
I work for one of the uk's largest house builders and we are obsessed with using ply and moisture board in every property we build.
Moisture board is absolutely useless, the amount of strip outs we do a year is rediculous, the ply backing we install over stud work is equally junk and turns mouldy once the moisture board is compromised. Also we install the plasterboard over the shower tray upstands and leave it 10mm off the tray, causes us no end of issues and it's so upsetting for the new home owner. This video certainly offers an excellent way to avoid this issue. Great explanation.
Adrian
That is really interesting to know. I would love to talk to that builder.
@Kenny Groundhopper everything new is just shit. capitalism, efficiency, powerful companies, etc. they shower us with cheaply and shitly produced shit, because first of all it leaves them a larger profit margin if no effort and proper raw materials are applied, second of all, you are going to buy the next item or all call them back for help once the shitly made thing goes bust. it is a vicious circle and inevitable consequence of capitalism unfortunately. regulation would help, but companies are stronger than governments, they lobby, they bribe, so all decent efforts fail. i just end up doing everything for myself now. learned to do so many jobs over the years.
If i was to ever learn a trade, i'd like to learn it from someone as knowledgeable as this guy!
This guy is a total legend. Wish i knew a plumber like him.
is he a plumber ??
Where have you read he's a Legend ,, what TV shows or books has he written , w
Someone isn't a legend just because he writes a book in my opinion.
His content is very useful and he's fully transparent when it comes to the specifics of a job. He explains everything that needs to be done in detail and that has helped me on numerous occasions.
Lets call him a "good plumber" then 😉
@@hajirpirouzfar9481 Ok a legend would be a well known explorer like Sir Francis Drake ,, think you need to say this guy seems to know what he's talking about rather than a legend !!!!!
I appreciate your point so thank you. That's why in my last response I said, let's call him a 'good plumber'. Have a lovely weekend.
The problem is, the job goes to the cheapest quote. Contractors quote as cheap as they can and then realise they have to cut corners just to break even. Never buy a new house, they're all crap!
As a tiler you get called out to these all the time. Customer thinks you just have to refix the bottom row of tiles but the job turns out like this one plus maybe a bit of plumbing work to cure a leak, bit of joinery to replace rotten studding and add extra noggins and yes one or two tiles break and you can't match them Suddenly you're telling them they're looking at the best part of a grand and they hit the roof like it's your fault.
@@caahacky Well before doing any work the customer should be made aware of what can happen and given all the options possible.
Weren't all houses new at one stage?? :-/ hahaha
@@NicholasCox85 yes but to.es have changed. Edwardian houses are the best because they had perfected the problems of Victorian time and still had money left to do things properly. Ever since WW1 the country has been skint and cutting corners.
True - once bitten twice shy.
I like this guy's candor. I'm currently having to fix my shower and everything said in this video is priceless.
You are a natural tutor. I really enjoyed watching your video. Thank you very much for being so logical and explains the process so well.
hope you’re still making videos. you remind me of my father who is a journeyman plumber and in the business for 40 years. currently 75 years old and still going.
We are about to have the bathroom redone in the 1930's house. Our current wall tiles are stuck on the brick wall without waterproof boards. The floor tiles are stuck on the plywood (which disintegrated below the bathtub). The builder who came to give a quote said we don't need waterproof board on walls and can stick tiles right on. And the floor tiles can be stuck on a new plywood board. Does it sound right to you?
You, like, did the job properly!! Such a refreshing change👍 Awesome vid - that studwork made me want to cry 😭. You wouldn't believe the stuff I've seen over the years... well, YOU would but most folks wouldn't. Might share some of them at some point. Got a vid coming out next Sat (I think?!?) touching on a similar topic. And to folk saying "don't use tiles" - nowt wrong with tiles if the job is done properly. 👍🛠👍
if you don't shame the companies pal they wont change.
the plumbing looked horrid as well... piped all crooked, no supports, flux not cleaned off so you get all that green corrosion... sigh
@@phiksit Yeah i thought that too - i am not a plumber but even i can see its crook!
Besides the good information presented, I find that the tools and materials links are useful and much appreciated. Even when I don't need anything right away, I always like to go to the website and write a quick summary and/or print out enough info for future reference and add it to my collection of "Product Knowledge" ring binders.
Framing in that bathroom, I wouldn't even do that on my shed. In the states we run either 2x4 or 2x6 from floor to ceiling 16" on center. We use a vapor barrier covering the wall then cement boards after. The screw with the round disk tie down is a nice feature.
We only use a vapor barrier if the shower doesn't get a waterproofing membrane. You DO NOT want a double barrier to water as if it does penetrate then it is trapped. A lot of guys are using schlueter showers which can be placed right over drywall. I'm not a fan as they don't carry all the products needed to complete a custom shower, if it is just a typical shower then yes but even then it is too expensive for a typical shower especially knowing there are identical products for 40% less. That round clip on the screws is to keep from tearing through the panel since a screw doesn't have a large enough head and the foam panel has a low density. Years ago we used a similar product to secure fiberglass faced foam boards for exterior stucco. They don't stick out because the screw force can pull the whole thing into the surface.
I do wonder about the water producing of the panel and the screws. I see a membrane being brush applied over a mesh tape over the screw and that is water proof and the foam core must be waterproof but in between is the layer of cementacious slurry over that mesh that covers the foam core which isn't waterproof. How does water not creep from porous cement based surface to behind the tape and find a seam or hole? It seems like it is just a gamble and a matter of time.
Hello from Ohio ! I’m a contractor here and use a very similar if not the same product called WEDI. When we discovered and starting using it, it was a total game changer. Love your videos and live learning new things related to the industry!!
Nice to find a guy that knows what he's talking about !!!! and looks the part as well , No shaved head , tattoos , or yob accent .. nice to listen to as well
Cement sheet and a membrane and waterproofer in grout then no problem ,plaster in any wet situation is crap
Love the line, "this is an expensive, beautiful house but have use the cheapest of cheap..." Working in the S.F. bay area and on some of the wealthiest homes I see this; not just this damage; but the use of the "cheapest of the cheapest" material used. SO MANY TIMES I have come to help a homeowner to alleviate a problem that seems simple, only to see this massive cluster... Sometimes I have to ask when the work was done because the original contractor is liable for 10 years. If I touch it before, I become liable for it all!!!
It's true, real craftsmen still exist! Thanks for a well-presented and interesting video.
I had someone this week ask me to do a Mickey Mouse job in their washroom I said hell no!
Lol
They wanted me to be a cowboy lol
Good work my friend
Love the way you waterproofed! I'll be doing a project like that soon. The old smaller 50's tiles are falling off. Water damage. Mold, mildew. Faucet leaks. Water damage right outside bathtub in corner. Etc. I appreciate your detailed instruction and listing the products. I'll be watching the next video post haste.
I would never ever buy a new build house in the UK, cheap shoddy rubbish with bad workmanship, has been for years !
Buld your own for sure , or buy a old house.
@@atommachine No need, I already live in a house that my Father built over 60 years ago with proper engineering brick/slate damp-course, all brick walls
This fella is the kind we need in technical colleges to teach the skills needed for the building trade!
I love your frame of mind and ethics! Inspiration for the future trade! Well done Mate!
In the old days these builders would have a clerk of works who would have caught the dodgy jobs like this, cost cutting and profit on expensive properties now endemic
Great job. Love to see someone taking pride in their work and looking after the customer! That's how it's supposed to work!
Hey Roger, love your style mate, same problem everywhere, as far as pride in the job! I did my apprenticeship in West Oxfordshire 36 years ago, been in Canada for 27 years. I'd love to show you the big difference in our trade. If your ever around Toronto give me a shout.
Same in NZ sadly,weve replaced every shower in every house weve bought over he last 26yrs, onto our ensuite just now....wish there were more tradesmen like you !!
We have a saying regarding products and it is
In the past they were built UPTO A STANDARD
But are now built DOWN TO A PRICE.
We've noticed for some years now the same mentally with training "Qualified Trade" people as with some employers
I was taught that you do a job properly the first time, and have pride in your work
A lot of youngsters now adays don't know the meaning of pride, or the reason for doing the job correctly first time
@@javeedsultan8484 Spot on! The majority cares not (about anything) anymore!
Excellent video Roger. Nice tempo and explanation. I had this exact problem after a bathroom refit that lasted only 3 years because of plasterboard walls and lack of effective sealing. I've since looked at the way they do it in the USA and it's a far more comprehensive approach - cement/backer boards, taped and sealed joints and waterproof sealant applied. 3 layers of protection. We should adopt the same system in the UK.
Thanks Matt, we're sure you'll enjoy Part 2 - th-cam.com/video/Cn_KD5HfYH0/w-d-xo.html
The trouble is there's only 1 good workman out of at least 1000 cowboys in the UK.. got my neighbour in that was in the "Check a Trader" and 5 star rated on Google... Ripped me off and did half the work.... Hate em
Good to see a propper job done. As a self builder, I would say, half the contracors I have used are "....Rubbish" most simply labourers who have learned on the job and then gone solo. Even the C+G certed ones are very poor. One thing is true they all think that they are "The dogs" and charge accordingly.
I've used these insulation sheets on the floor in wet rooms but never knew/considered them for walls too. I normally use a particle board but they are so much harder to cut and fix, are heavier and more expensive. I then seal the joints etc as you have. I'm going to be using these in future. Thanks.
You can use something like Fermacell or any other waterproof cement board there, just seal the holes/joints internal corners with fiber tape and liquid sealing membrane
Excellent videography, editing and audio recording. Well done !
Thanks man!
This man goes above and beyond we need more builders like him
especialy when plugging a product that he.....you don't have to pay for, people need get in the real world.
would love see the comments if the commentators got Rodgers Invoice.
:P Not up for the standards here in sweden... a pro tip... insulate those pipes also that in the wall. Make em seemless (no hidden joints!) Pull out the copperpipes through the wall and make the coupling outside the walls so you dont get any leaks in the wall. Use silicone on every screw you screw in.
British standards in building are lightyears after the Swedish.
Also make sure your ventilation evacuates the steam...
And for the love of god... Dont use these built in water valves! Pull out your pipes, mount the mounting and attach your water valve on the outside!
Which part of the UK are you living in sir? I would be delighted to meet someone like you in person, I'm attending a plumbing school in north East London. I would really like to have an apprenticeship with you 😉
Absolutely love Roger's videos. He explains everything so simply, without any "hype" or (over)acting!
Clearly knows his stuff - and takes pride in his work.
Thanks to Roger (and the rest of the crew) for these videos. 👍
Tanx for uploading video always enjoy watching your video's find them very interesting and informative can't wait for part 2.
Thanks EK, we're sure you'll enjoy Part 2 - th-cam.com/video/Cn_KD5HfYH0/w-d-xo.html
Wish I could find a tradesman like you. Knows what he's doing and does the job properly.
The only thing I would add is that I would seriously beef up the studwork first, putting second studs (the right way round) along existing studs; also extra cross members, and all generously screwed together = no movement, so no cracking & no leaks. Yup, I have seen many shower / bath rooms like this. Nice vids, thanks.
See it all the time on new build , The shower tray get high off the floor why, ITS A NEW BUILD ?????? . Shower valve hanging off pipe work , So frustrating .
Yes it is pure laziness to get the waste pipe across the joists
What is the point of regulations if nobody police's them, the big house builders are more concerned about making more profit than giving the purchaser a building that is fit for purpose. A lot of people think if they purchase a new house they will not have any costs for probably 20 year how wrong they are, most start costing after a couple of year when the shoddy workmanship and materials start to fail. Sorry for the rant but really get annoyed when the job is not done right, and the good guys do not get jobs because they are too "dear" but what they are doing is providing a quality job with the right materials. Keep up the good work with the videos.
Totally agree, the quality of the work on a lot of these builds is quite often crap and it does make you wonder who the main builders get in to do the work. I've just purchased a 7 yr old house and having to sort out the floor tiles coming loose in both of the upstairs bathrooms and I do remember my solicitor telling me to never buy a brand new house as they're always over priced and I'd say its luck of the draw if you get issues and how bad they are and I do agree with bill in that if its happening in one house its happening in all them .
what's wrong with shower tray high off floor? Im interested
This is why you NEVER buy a new build, Absolute crap quality.
Thanks Roger! Great to see quality craftsmanship triumph over the easy money!! Cheers from the Colonies.
Thanks Salty. We have Part 2 coming up on Friday 23rd November at 7pm GMT. Please make sure you come back and see this project completed!
Marine ply is fine if used correctly, tile backer board over the top of plywood with a waterproof tanking matting and tape the joints then tile, it will never leak ever.
Moisture board or tile backer board on walls before shower tray then using the same tanking matting and taping joints, tile after the tray has been installed so it lips over tray and seal no problems at all.
Ply and moisture board absolutely fine if the person using it knows HOW
When rehashing our bathroom, I bought this Elements board and insisted that it was properly installed according to the instructions. The plumber grumbled and made me pay extra for the added care needed. I'm glad I stood my ground.
I Roger i've been a professional Tiler for 35 odd years, and i can tell your "Solid" !, good work mate :)
His rendering is far from it 😂
you,re an absolute pleasure to watch Roger, as a guy who loves doing things properly myself i love watching the videos you make about plumbing, tools and everything in between, keep the good work up cheers Brian.
Jesus who did the pipework, unsupported pipework, one pipe clip and verdigris all down the pipe, i would be seriously looking at the solder joins as well - where did he tie up his horse ! As previously said most new houses are complete crap built for speed and profit.
Probably used lead base acid core solder on the copper pipes!!
Verdigris in some cases can be caused by condensation over years trickling down the pipe, not always a leak!
Are you praying or blaspheming
An informative video and I’ll be watching the rest of the series.
Too bad they don’t sell the Elements board here in the U.S.. The Elements board looks to be light weight and of course as you said, waterproof. The closest thing we have to it (as far as I know) is Durock which is a concrete backer board which is cement based with a mesh in it. Then you have to waterproof it and it doesn’t have any real insulating properties to it.
I always enjoy your videos as you always do the work the way it should have been originally and you teach and inform the viewers along the way.
We have trades people like that here too but they are few and far between.
Thanks.
Ron
Schluter system is similar? Though any system will require taping of joints/corners etc
ten years ago I did my own bathroom and thought I was too OCD on my approach. Glad to see I did exactly as described here . The manufactures often have great installation advice leaflets
Being a person that does not like waste, may I thank everyone who has presented this video, British made abacus, yeah, make great Britain Great again,
As a sparkie and have seen how new builds are done I wouldn’t buy one my 1930’s house will still be standing when this shite has fallen down
Couldnt agree more mate...99% of new builds wont last 60 years....thats being generous
Nor me mate. I'm a chippy and I just won't do site work any more. Everything in sight is made from MDF and thrown in with a nail gun, cardboard doors, cheap & nasty kitchens, everything featureless, bland and ultra-cheap. Give me a Victorian house any day. Properly built to last, by guys who cared.
Agree. I live in a 1920s house, I have brand new ones on my road completed in 2013.
Already they're falling to bits.
@@KevinBower-gy5be where are you based Kev?
I’m in Derbyshire. Almost all of my work is done on heritage and listed buildings. All the best.
I’m confused. You said the stud work wasn’t adequate. Yet nothing was done unless I missed something?!?...
Watch at 9:14. He fixed the problem with a HORIZONTAL stud to secure the water valve.
Thanks Adrian
9.37 also shows the horizontal bracing. I have learned from this video that some people need everything explaining while others can relax with a bit of music and work out what is going on for themselves.
Skill Builder but some people haven’t got the experience or knowledge of some of you guys and what to look for as I have a similar set up in our house. Hence the question...... best not to bother asking you in the future 👍🏻
Adrian Mikeliunas cheers. Noticed it the second time of watching. Cheers 🤝
It looked like the studs were 24 inches o.c. In the U.S. they would have been 16 inches o.c. and it looked like the cement board was flexing a little when you showed how sturdy it is.
Most newbuild houses in uk are what i call egg boxes built by any old agency supplied cowboy.
Expensive new houses built with the cheapest materials and poor labour skills. These houses will never last the test of time.
Best home repair video I have ever seen, Ever... Thanks for making it so much entertaining.
Shocking standard of workmanship on these new builds, we all know these new over priced houses are complete crap with idiots working on them.
The same is true of houses from the 1950s housing boom. Lot of cut corners.
This happens on every house ,The Building regs need changing and ENFORCING,Building inspectors are complicit in this .
Imported unskilled labour putting up flat pack houses. I've worked on these sites and had colleagues that were Romanian primary school teachers, Punjabi farmers and Pakistani pharmacists. Nothing wrong with that and lovely guys but their respective professions are not building site trades.
When you are faced with unrealistic build schedules, using the cheapest materials to hand, with Site Agents not checking Quality of Work anymore.....with tradesmen working morning, noon,afternoon and night to get plots finished on time....is it any wonder new builds are not fit for purpose......
i bet he has never work on sit in his life guts parts it in his ca
I quit a company just the other day that I'd seen enough of their lack of quality work. Half million $ home.. zero plumbb pipes in the whole thing, unfehted branches, no hangars.. horrible. 1 week in I knew I was quitting asap. Imo Workmanship > everything .
Third world plumbing! What has happened to GB?
Mass immigration forcing wages down = equals cheap workmanship.
This is nothing to do with mass migration but all to do with poor workmanship which is everywhere England included, but more so greed and bloated economy in the Western. We tend to blame everything thing on immigration …
Third world is too kind, I had lived there for 6 years and sometimes, I thought I was dealing with 4th world's quality of life and people's mentality, especially in London.
2:34 the problem is for some unknown reason we have a system of been cheapskates we don’t ask who can do it the best we ask who can do the job the cheapest which of course leads to the trader having to cut corners where the can to save money.
3:35 'Terrible, bodged studwork'...............8:56 proceeds to fit new board on the terrible original studwork.
Not true, the studwork was braced back against the masonry wall and was solid as a rock
Unfortunately, as home buyers, we dont know whats behind the walls. You can get inspections, etc. But these sort of issues come up after the fact most times. Unless you are building from scratch and as well be on the job site to watch, its going to happen. Not saying all contractors are like that, but the general public hires them because they dont have the time or knowledge, or both to do the job themselves. This video made me subscribe however, can never have to much knowledge when it comes to your house
Money, money, money. Squeeze as many dollars as you can out of each job. I did appliance repair and saw this many times. But I was like this fellow - simply *would not* allow shoddy work to exist. Cost more, but my customers loved it - and I got lots or referrals.
Thanks for your comment. We have Part 2 coming up on Friday 23rd November at 7pm GMT. Please make sure you come back and see this project completed!
Brilliant. Such a professional. Knows what he's doing and has pride in his work. Rare to see these days.
The most important question is how many cups of tea did the client offer you 😂
Builders here in the USA do this kind of crap all the time, use cheap crap where they think they can get away from it ,or make it last a few years they will be long gone .your work on the glue of the joints looks good take your time do it right .
There's nothing more satisfying than seeing a proper job being done, and nothing more annoying than finding cowboy jobs where people just didn't care.
Excellent video, thank you.
"i mean, this is a half milion pounds house and that is what you get..."
Half milions house buyers: dying inside like that bathroom.
I don't believe you should ever leave black mold. The suds should be cleaned and sealed.
okay good im not crazy too, the guy did not remove the molded part "proffesional" my ass 🙃
Tha mold will never grow back so long there is not a water source ie. leaks. Mold needs food (organic matter) in this case 2x4 and water.
Good stuff, looks easier to use then cement board.
Think I'd have been tempted to rip out and reinstate that stud work with the studs facing the correct way though.
Yep defo, see this in new build to save"space" like you can see 2" per wall in a bathroom!!
I’m the owner of a medium sized plumbing company (14) engineers and I can tell you that none of these multi National home builders give two dams on the standard of workmanship no matter how pretty they make the homes look on glossy magazines. The reason for such poor workmanship is due to the builders telling the trades what there going to earn which is very little so in return firms will draft in lots of low skilled workers ( labourers) who are happy with £80 a day then on that site of say 200 houses you have one skilled full professional who will earn say £200 ( the going rate for skilled worker ) to oversee and make sure it works. That’s it as long as it works it passes. So it’s greed of the builder not prepared to pay the going rate to have a proper job as show by this chap in the video
I’ve been offered sits across the country and I’ve been to check the sites out to see standard and have just turned round and said our lads couldn’t be this ruff to which the builder just grin and say someone will do it for this price
So there you have it greed wins the day not quality
I have been in the plumbing trade since the early 90's when I left school and I have to agree with you..
I don't know anyone in the building trade that has bought one of these new house and never have and there even worse now than they have ever been..
Roger this and your other bathroom pull down were great having done two in my own house I watched to check if I had done it right! Certainly wish I had seen this three/four years ago. At least I have the access to allow me to check. But if I have to do it again, Ill be able to do it right.
Regards Graham
I have been in the trade for 30 years this video is fantastic but the customer always wants the cheapest possible job
Not one which doesn't actually work though!
Hi Jeffrey. This customer changed their mind, we're sure you'll enjoy Part 2 - th-cam.com/video/Cn_KD5HfYH0/w-d-xo.html
Sorry, is it wrong for the customer to expect decent work when what they receive is high price incompetency? Always pertains to nothing; most, many some are proper use always is not.
This video shows good communication between the customer and tradesmen both win.
@Buggs Bunny unhappy customers will soon start to break legs of those dickheads who builds a leak into the situation. So you are not going to run too far
Cracking tutorial, thank you Roger!
Thanks Arfur, Part 2 is here: th-cam.com/video/Cn_KD5HfYH0/w-d-xo.html
There’s so much on the market now to make this job both easy and long lasting there’s no excuse for it.
Shame on the developer and let’s see a clerk of works back on these jobs.
Yeah but it's more expensive the first time lol
Marc Favell aye it is more expensive but the money people want for a substandard job is criminal.
Very useful. Best greetings from Norway
Having looked at the video again the main problem here seems to be leaks in the plumbing - not due to the silicone seal, tiling or grout. So the real culprit hear is the plumber and whoever did the framing. Fortunately for this customer the tiles were put on plasterboard and the problem became visible pretty quickly. If however the tiles had been put on the top of the system you used, it could have been months or years before the problem became visible and you would be looking at a much greater repair. You also talk about moisture getting through the tiles and wetting the paper on the plasterboard behind, this is not the case unless there is a breakdown in the grout due to poor tiling materials or not properly maintaining the grout or sealant. You also talk about mould, mould forms on the face of the grout and works it way behind the tiles, not the other way around. The solution to mould or moisture is ventilation and cleaning regularly with some form of mould preventer, especially if there is insufficient ventilation. As for moisture making its way through the tiles, when you consider the tiles are being drenched by the shower and prevent this water getting through to the wall, it's hardly likely that a bit of moisture will make its way through the tiles to the wall, especially as both the tiles and grout are waterproof. The main problem with showers is normally a leak in the pipe work behind the shower or poorly applied or maintained silicone seal - not the tiles or the tiles being fixed to plasterboard. Really is time for a rethink on this and to stop advocating systems that can do more harm than good as most of the problems are caused by poor plumbing practices, not poor tiling or substrates.
Thought that myself, if the plumbing leak free and the surface is defect free all that is not required. Have seen many plasterboard Ed bathrooms and showers in perfect nick as they were installed correctly and looked after. Still interesting though
Paul Nutter
Thank you for the reply Paul. I'm a subscriber to Skill Builders and think the guys make really interesting and informative videos and produce really good quality of work.
However in this case I felt I had to tackle the myth that plasterboard is not suitable for tiling, especially as the comment was made that if an installer tells you it's okay to tile on plasterboard, show them the door.
Unfortunately this is one of the times people are being taken in by all the marketing hype to sell products without fully understanding the possible implications. I would love to hear Roger's views and thoughts on my observations.
@@alexmcneely1680 most failures I see are caused by poor grouting and sealing from either a loose bath or tray or not cleaning tiles before sealing and not forcing grout behind the tiles. Remember the bevel edge tiles that didn't need spacers. Didn't work as the grout couldn't get behind to seal. OK for a whb though😁
Love your videos Roger.
Interesting how different things are in the UK compared to Australia or
Queensland in particular. All bathrooms/showers are sheeted with plaster board or villaboard which is a hardies brand fiber cement sheet. The main difference is the whole floor an walls up to 2metres high is membraned with a rolled or painted on product. Generally a fool proof system. Usually a 30mm aluminum angle at the door entrance to allow for cement bed for tiles. To test the floor membrane, we put a partly blown up party balloon into the floor waste an flood test the floor with 20mm of water overnight.
in finland same....how in uk you can still build like that ?
That valve was a broken water line waiting to happen. Ridiculous. No Plumbing inspections in the UK ?
@@dean3583 False. The TV licence is a subscription to the BBC. We also have plumbing inspections but that is limited mainly to specific types of drainage and pressurised systems.
@@dean3583 was that pun intentional :-)
Wow - they have lost half of the bathroom with the depth of that stud work
Not to mention the stud & pipe work are awful
Cowboys
Could you use that board on top of plywood on the floor to create a wetroom?
Yes if you look at our other videos you will see it done.
There's a toilet waste behind the stud work, hence it's about 100/110 mm off the wall
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Yep, there's a soil pipe there. Personally I would have rebuilt it using 4x2 and used the solid wall behind to make sure it doesn't move. I'd definitely not have left the crap that was there.
I'd also have built in a shelf into the space, which would be very useful in a shower. Did exactly that in my own bathroom about 10 years ago, using tile backing board just like in the video and it's been great. Remember to put a slight slope on any flat surfaces in the shower - enough to help water to run down but not too much so your bottles and soap don't fall off.
I'd also struggle with that mixer fitting not being centred, but that's probably just me.
On a £500,000 house the workmanship is awful but saying that it shouldn’t come down to how much the house is worth it’s should come down to doing the job right first time no matter what the job or where your working.
JW You are right in principle but market forces come into play. On a more expensive product you would assume the materials and workmanship reflected the price. Property defies the conventions of the market because the price is largely determined by location. You can sell an inferior product in a good location easier than you can sell a good product in a part of town where you dare not venture out at night. House builders are very aware that they don't have to try too hard in this market.
He’s a good bloke Roger knows his stuff good all rounder I learned a few things from him,he’s right do a job properly you”ll never be out of work the only call back you want is for more work n ot repairs.
Great to see someone taking pride in doing something properly.Only thing is you can pretty much guarantee that old shower mixer will pack up 6 months after the job is finished. I would have swapped it out while it was accessable.
Yes we went for full replacement here: th-cam.com/video/Cn_KD5HfYH0/w-d-xo.html
pricing up this kind of repair is a nightmare as you just don't know what your gonna find.
Very true Chris
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Its not rocket science - People just aren't prepared to pay the money for a proper job half the time.
And they end up paying more to redo anything .
That’s not entirely true, if you’re paying a professional to do a job then he should do it right, after all he agreed the price. You can’t blame people for wanting the best price, this is why companies bid for contracts. Fair enough if you get your mates dad to do the job but if you pay a pro you expect it done right regardless of price.
You can expect whatever you get, but the fact is contractors face economic realities, and they will do things the least expensive way possible unless there are rigid specs, and effective inspections. It is up to the builder/homeowner to create those standards, if that's what they want. And yes, it will cost more, but it will be a better job.
Marine plywood for shower area..
Mark Sesum dunno what your point is. If someone is trained to professional standards then they’re a pro. Some pros will compete on price hence why bids are made.
I thought with an Aqualisa shower like the one shown in the video you should have a space around the valve (mortar guard) so there is a gap between valve board and tiles. If there is a problem with the valve ie: it needs to be changed or the O rings leak on the H & C water elbows to the valve. In your video you can only do it by removing tiles and cutting out the board to get to the valve to make any repairs.
all this nice work on top of moldy studs...
Terrific presentation, a natural communicator, not breakneck delivery but concise and easy to follow. A natural teacher.
So this is what Gordon Ramsey’s brother does for a living..
This man is one of the best. He cares about doing a good job. There are so many cowboys around.
I dont understand why the tiles leak through to the board in the first place… what about sealing the grout properly?
Do not rely on one thing, many a child is born through the reliance on a thin piece of rubber.
This guy should be teaching the nations plumbers
This guy know his stuff - what a brilliant tradesman.
Thanks paris monty, make sure you watch Part 2 (coming soon)
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Having worked in both the UK and Australia, I can say the UK are way behind on this kind of installation. In Australia it’s now regulation to use this kind of system and waterproof the whole area. Also this job has to have a compliance certificate issued too. Keep up the good work Roger
Paul Lenton
They have just changed the regs in the U.K so we now have to tank shower areas. We are only 20 years late on this
Correct Paul. Certificate issued on completion with all the relevant info on it from who and what was installed.
New Zealand led the way on this, Aussie rules state you can just paint round the edges of a concrete floor, we paint the middle too. Aussie rules say the waterproofing membrane can stop at 1500mm from the shower rose, I keep standing there and shouting at the water to stop but sometimes it does not listen....so we cover the whole floor and 75mm up the perimeter.
Nice one, Roger! I'm in the process of installing a similar product called Qboard in my bathroom and this video was really helpful.
Glad you liked it Lorna!
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New builds are a pile of crap as this video shows!
at that point i would of just rid did the whole shower, what’s the point of saving any of it when you know it was built by hacks
We did do that in the next video