In law, the householder shouldn't have to pay for this 'repair' because the original work was defective in design and materials specification or workmanship. There's no time limit on a latent defect it's not a 10 year limit just because the guarantee period is 10 years, you get 6 years from the date you know of the defect, there is case law on this. Unless the developer / builder is bust it's a viable claim and should be pursued for remedy from the originating fault party.
Michael, that may be the case but very few people have the means to pursue a case against big builders for what amounts to minor repairs. I doubt you would find a solicitor who would pursue it on a no win no fee basis. If you take the breakdown of a silicone seal around a shower tray as an example a builder could say that it is wear and tear and within the scope of routine maintenance. My argument is that silicone seals are not sufficient on there own to prevent water ingress because buildings move. There needs to be a backup, This is the argument against using plasterboard. It is not suitable for shower areas and that is now being acknowledged. The British Standards have just been changed (20i8) to require tanking in shower areas. Given how long this has been a problem is well overdue.
How much did that job cost? I wouldnt have thought anything less than £3000. TOP workmanship - sad to say but i rarely see such Top attention to detail and actual craftsmanship!
I just wanted to say your videos are fantastic. I'm a handy man in the States and I see stuff exactly like this all the time. it blows my mind that the people installing this stuff from the get-go can't be bothered to do things properly. I am like you, in that I genuinely care about what I'm doing and I always try to do things the right way. I never cut corners. Indeed, doing so basically makes it so that you don't have to come back in the future for a fix. But on the other hand customers are so pleased with your work that they give you referrals to their friends and family and as well, if you're somewhat of a jack-of-all-trades they will call you back to do the other jobs that they have. In the long run, it pays dividends tenfold in the form of a larger client book.
From the start, Ryan was very helpful and is continuing to be helpful about his th-cam.com/users/postUgkxGqOCINHE0Z0E5gxzSdNi9NWGugRY5Hm2 Plans . Also, they have answered all the questions I have asked & I got outstanding support from his My Shed Plans full package.
I'm a first time home owner (house is from 2004, we're the second owners) and as educational as these videos are they make me so nervous that there's all kinds of hidden disasters lurking inside our walls 😬
You, and me both. We're at the closing/appraisal phase because we took out an FHA loan, so the appraisal is mandatory for it. Watching these videos has given me new perspective. When I say new perspective I mean waking up from a red, sweat-soaked nightmare yelling things like "The foundation is cracked, we're all gonna die!" Lol this is obviously vastly over-dramatized, but you get the idea, LOL.
Best you can do is arm yourself with the knowledge and skills required to fix it yourself. I know there are things that will fail on my house, but I sleep well knowing that I won't be paying thousands to shady contractors to fix them.
Yeah, just watch youtube and you can fix pretty much everything. I found that my 2007 home didn't have the bathtub overflow drain connected to anything. Was sitting in the basement while the kid was in the bath and it started raining. I had to cut a hole in my drywall to see wtf was going on. Fairly shitty, and the builders went out of business so I don't even have the option to tell aomeone how stupid they are and how ashamed they should be, and that they're an embarrassment to their mother and father.
There's nothing more satisfying than seeing a proper job being done, and nothing more annoying than finding cowboy jobs where people just didn't care. Excellent video, thank you.
Someone isn't a legend just because he writes a book in my opinion. His content is very useful and he's fully transparent when it comes to the specifics of a job. He explains everything that needs to be done in detail and that has helped me on numerous occasions. Lets call him a "good plumber" then 😉
@@hajirpirouzfar9481 Ok a legend would be a well known explorer like Sir Francis Drake ,, think you need to say this guy seems to know what he's talking about rather than a legend !!!!!
Hello from Ohio ! I’m a contractor here and use a very similar if not the same product called WEDI. When we discovered and starting using it, it was a total game changer. Love your videos and live learning new things related to the industry!!
I work for one of the uk's largest house builders and we are obsessed with using ply and moisture board in every property we build. Moisture board is absolutely useless, the amount of strip outs we do a year is rediculous, the ply backing we install over stud work is equally junk and turns mouldy once the moisture board is compromised. Also we install the plasterboard over the shower tray upstands and leave it 10mm off the tray, causes us no end of issues and it's so upsetting for the new home owner. This video certainly offers an excellent way to avoid this issue. Great explanation.
@Kenny Groundhopper everything new is just shit. capitalism, efficiency, powerful companies, etc. they shower us with cheaply and shitly produced shit, because first of all it leaves them a larger profit margin if no effort and proper raw materials are applied, second of all, you are going to buy the next item or all call them back for help once the shitly made thing goes bust. it is a vicious circle and inevitable consequence of capitalism unfortunately. regulation would help, but companies are stronger than governments, they lobby, they bribe, so all decent efforts fail. i just end up doing everything for myself now. learned to do so many jobs over the years.
especialy when plugging a product that he.....you don't have to pay for, people need get in the real world. would love see the comments if the commentators got Rodgers Invoice.
When rehashing our bathroom, I bought this Elements board and insisted that it was properly installed according to the instructions. The plumber grumbled and made me pay extra for the added care needed. I'm glad I stood my ground.
ten years ago I did my own bathroom and thought I was too OCD on my approach. Glad to see I did exactly as described here . The manufactures often have great installation advice leaflets
A long time pro who takes pride in a good job. In the US when plaster gave way to drywall they used Greenwell for a few decades (probably with little testing) and as the guy said it did not hold up given cracked tiles over decades. Finally concrete board started to show up as demand for a better product increased and as far as I know a builder use this for showers now. The foam center is nice concrete board is heavy and hard to cut, builders probably would not pay for the additional complexity.
@@willpelton1619 that tape you discus is acutall a glass fiber metrial the paint hes layering over the top is a sealant you clearly dotn have any clue what you are talking about
@@willpelton1619 okay you work. For a firm that's been I'm business 75+ years I'm from. A family of people. Of. Multiple. Trades who have been working as builders plumbers joiners and electricians for generations starting Off with the Irish navvies turned tradesmen so I think I'll take advice from my family and what they were taught from there ancestors and what I know over some plumb on the internet we have a tendancie for testing things and I care to say this stuff looks identical to something we've used for years which is glass fiber weave with a polyurethane and/or silicone sealant painted on top that stuff is just the same just packaged with a label smacked on it and charged at a mark up creates a great seal and stops water and moisture seaping through admitted the markup is insane. On that stuff but for the average dick who doesn't have trade accounts with company's its just the same for a price
@@willpelton1619 admitted one thing I. Did question was why she. He used the tape stuff with the sealant paint why he didn't sell all of the seams and only around the screws and piping that did lead me to think. I.. Pretty sure moisture could see through the seams of the board just as easy as it could the screw holes when my. Uncle has done this kinda stuff using straight sheets of fiberglass and silicone sealants he has covered every single seam
Love the way you waterproofed! I'll be doing a project like that soon. The old smaller 50's tiles are falling off. Water damage. Mold, mildew. Faucet leaks. Water damage right outside bathtub in corner. Etc. I appreciate your detailed instruction and listing the products. I'll be watching the next video post haste.
We are about to have the bathroom redone in the 1930's house. Our current wall tiles are stuck on the brick wall without waterproof boards. The floor tiles are stuck on the plywood (which disintegrated below the bathtub). The builder who came to give a quote said we don't need waterproof board on walls and can stick tiles right on. And the floor tiles can be stuck on a new plywood board. Does it sound right to you?
Love the line, "this is an expensive, beautiful house but have use the cheapest of cheap..." Working in the S.F. bay area and on some of the wealthiest homes I see this; not just this damage; but the use of the "cheapest of the cheapest" material used. SO MANY TIMES I have come to help a homeowner to alleviate a problem that seems simple, only to see this massive cluster... Sometimes I have to ask when the work was done because the original contractor is liable for 10 years. If I touch it before, I become liable for it all!!!
As a plumber I always use a bar shower you can change the whole unit without disturbing the tiles, I find a lot of modern showers after 10 years. You can’t get the spare parts so you have to break the tiles to replace it .great vido
Framing in that bathroom, I wouldn't even do that on my shed. In the states we run either 2x4 or 2x6 from floor to ceiling 16" on center. We use a vapor barrier covering the wall then cement boards after. The screw with the round disk tie down is a nice feature.
We only use a vapor barrier if the shower doesn't get a waterproofing membrane. You DO NOT want a double barrier to water as if it does penetrate then it is trapped. A lot of guys are using schlueter showers which can be placed right over drywall. I'm not a fan as they don't carry all the products needed to complete a custom shower, if it is just a typical shower then yes but even then it is too expensive for a typical shower especially knowing there are identical products for 40% less. That round clip on the screws is to keep from tearing through the panel since a screw doesn't have a large enough head and the foam panel has a low density. Years ago we used a similar product to secure fiberglass faced foam boards for exterior stucco. They don't stick out because the screw force can pull the whole thing into the surface. I do wonder about the water producing of the panel and the screws. I see a membrane being brush applied over a mesh tape over the screw and that is water proof and the foam core must be waterproof but in between is the layer of cementacious slurry over that mesh that covers the foam core which isn't waterproof. How does water not creep from porous cement based surface to behind the tape and find a seam or hole? It seems like it is just a gamble and a matter of time.
hope you’re still making videos. you remind me of my father who is a journeyman plumber and in the business for 40 years. currently 75 years old and still going.
@@SkillBuilder hello, skillbuilder! nice of you to inquire. yes, he turned 80 this year and is mostly retired but still teaching plumbing at a community college trade school in hawaii two days a week. Working with his hands is his passion, so he still does small jobs for neighbors and clients as well. In the past 5 years of watching your videos i’ve also grown comfortable with handyman solutions around my own home. And my original fear of doing small maintenance tasks has mostly gone away. I no longer have to call a contractor for every little thing. Only big tasks and anything requiring a licensed tradesman like plumbing and electric.
you,re an absolute pleasure to watch Roger, as a guy who loves doing things properly myself i love watching the videos you make about plumbing, tools and everything in between, keep the good work up cheers Brian.
2:34 the problem is for some unknown reason we have a system of been cheapskates we don’t ask who can do it the best we ask who can do the job the cheapest which of course leads to the trader having to cut corners where the can to save money.
I knew literally nothing about shower repair or tiling, but after watching a lot of YT vids, including Roger here, I settled on Kerdi board which is an astonishing product very similar to the one he uses here. I just finished it yesterday, and it looks very good. The tiles are not perfectly straight but it's sealed up and ready to go. There is a LOT to know for a job like this and hats off to the builders who know how to do it right.
Just used this kit in my sons bathroom. The tiler arrived and was almost orgasmic at the job we'd done! So much so, he put pictures of it on his Facebook page saying "This is the king of prep I love!" All very easy to use. Great video as usual Roger - Thanks!
Got my bathroom reno coming up, and I will be watching the technicians with eagle eyes. This was very helpful and loaded me with lots of questions prior to my install for the crew. Thanks again.
The problem is, the job goes to the cheapest quote. Contractors quote as cheap as they can and then realise they have to cut corners just to break even. Never buy a new house, they're all crap!
As a tiler you get called out to these all the time. Customer thinks you just have to refix the bottom row of tiles but the job turns out like this one plus maybe a bit of plumbing work to cure a leak, bit of joinery to replace rotten studding and add extra noggins and yes one or two tiles break and you can't match them Suddenly you're telling them they're looking at the best part of a grand and they hit the roof like it's your fault.
@@NicholasCox85 yes but to.es have changed. Edwardian houses are the best because they had perfected the problems of Victorian time and still had money left to do things properly. Ever since WW1 the country has been skint and cutting corners.
The builder I worked for used to use either cement board or dedicated board which didn't need tiling. A lot of problems stem from the fact that there are no, (or very very few) apprenticeships in the building trade. Our local technical college was pulled down years ago. Nowadays, everything is done to a price. I always used to favour surface mounted shower fittings, so if the mixer needed fixing in the future and no spares were available, you didn't have to destroy tiles to change it.
Absolutely love Roger's videos. He explains everything so simply, without any "hype" or (over)acting! Clearly knows his stuff - and takes pride in his work. Thanks to Roger (and the rest of the crew) for these videos. 👍
Absolutely wonderful to see a proper professional doing a proper job. Cowboys belong in John Wayne movies and NOT in the building game. Well done, Sir !!
Good vid my friend i have been a plumber for 35 years i have been working down my workload for some time , watching your vid brings back a lot of memories. Everything you say in the vid is true i am so lucky that all my work is in a 5-mile radius of my house and i am able to pick and choose my jobs. If i never have to do another shower cubical again i will be a happy man but as you say nearly every new build has a cubical installed using plasterboard.
I've used these insulation sheets on the floor in wet rooms but never knew/considered them for walls too. I normally use a particle board but they are so much harder to cut and fix, are heavier and more expensive. I then seal the joints etc as you have. I'm going to be using these in future. Thanks.
You can use something like Fermacell or any other waterproof cement board there, just seal the holes/joints internal corners with fiber tape and liquid sealing membrane
Excellent video Roger. Nice tempo and explanation. I had this exact problem after a bathroom refit that lasted only 3 years because of plasterboard walls and lack of effective sealing. I've since looked at the way they do it in the USA and it's a far more comprehensive approach - cement/backer boards, taped and sealed joints and waterproof sealant applied. 3 layers of protection. We should adopt the same system in the UK.
I did a DYI reno where I replaced the tub and its enclosure. I used a vinyl tub enclosure, and rather than using green board, which was what was under the old tiles, I replaced it with cement board, which is 3/8" thick, and claimed to be completely waterproof.
I always used cement board for shower/tun enclosures. But I did use a very similar material to this to patch a shower in a rental apartment my friend owned. He was really cheap and only wanted to do the bare minimum. I cut out a section of tile about 2' high and the length of the tub, just enough to get past the wet and rotted parts, replaced the rotten wood as best I could, and then used the foam-core tile backer board and tiled it. I was skeptical of that stuff but now it's over 20 years later and it's still holding up.
Besides the good information presented, I find that the tools and materials links are useful and much appreciated. Even when I don't need anything right away, I always like to go to the website and write a quick summary and/or print out enough info for future reference and add it to my collection of "Product Knowledge" ring binders.
Oh the pain! When you removed that tile my old nightmares returned. I've encountered these same crumbling shower enclosures in two homes. Excellent video and I admire your attention to detail.
Interesting to see different methods & materials. I am a Brit now living in Canada. Unlike a lot of the contractors here I am not a fan of concrete board s a backer, instead I use glassfibre faced gypsum tile backer (horrible itchy stuff) then add Kerdi membrane, rolled out sideways so there is no cut in the corners & overlaps facing inward with a hang over at tub or pan lip before putting tile up meaning gravity will always bring water into the right side. The Kerdi stuff is good but it is expensive. They also make round patched to stick to the membrane with rubber seals around the mixer & spouts...well worth it. I am not a fan of using silicone to make bead seals...it eventually fails & this is a one shot deal! So far never had a leak. I only use mould resistant drywall at all. For the couple of bucks difference, it is not worth buying ordinary paper faced drywall.
Both of my showers were installed 20 years ago with the tiles on top of marine ply. No leaks, staining or cracks have ever occurred. The grouting and tiles are all as original. I did use 2 pack waterproof grout and high quality waterproof adhesive. If I was doing it today, I would use the abacus board, but it wasn't around at the time
Hey there Ian, glad you liked it. Good news! We have Part 2 coming up on Friday 23rd November at 7pm GMT. Please make sure you come back and see this project completed!
I've just bought my 1st house, looked at loads bit not a single new build, as a spark I know how shit they are, definitely proof you a can polish a turd
I just bought a new build home for 451k. New as in it was finished a month ago. In the first week of ownership I’ve had to fix both HVAC units and get the master shower (which is huge) regrouted due to cracking. Fun times.
New Builds are generally crap, but what do you expect when developers prioritse timescale and profits over quality. As for most of the subcontractors on domestic new builds, they work on price (not hourly rate) which just causes rushed/ slapdash installs and poor workmanship.
Love your videos Roger. Interesting how different things are in the UK compared to Australia or Queensland in particular. All bathrooms/showers are sheeted with plaster board or villaboard which is a hardies brand fiber cement sheet. The main difference is the whole floor an walls up to 2metres high is membraned with a rolled or painted on product. Generally a fool proof system. Usually a 30mm aluminum angle at the door entrance to allow for cement bed for tiles. To test the floor membrane, we put a partly blown up party balloon into the floor waste an flood test the floor with 20mm of water overnight.
I bought my first house, we moved one week ago, i had a couple of shower and the plasterboard at lower floor has started to show a leak. Just looking at it, I was already aware that the shower was not really great. I am an architect and i know how important is waterproofing. The bathroom has a very crap plastic shower tray which has been fixed just with silicon to the plywood, no membrane, no waterproofing nothing. The vynil sheet has been layed on the plywood directly sealing the perimeter with silicon around the shower tray, It is the worster thing i have never seen in my experience. I am starting to do the job by myself. Thank you for your video, it is really helpful to see from the pratical point of view..
This video is gold dust. Thank you for teaching me the right way to do it, Roger. New bathroom with shower now completed and it looks amazing. Eternally grateful.
My pleasure, Roger. Thanks once again, The first one was a rip out and a doorway moved to make way for a shower cubicle in a granny flat ensuite downstairs. I'm starting on the upstairs bathroom this week. Another complete rip out and replace but this time of a "delightful" blue 70s bathroom suite to be replaced with white. New tiles on walls and floor etc. That'll please the missus. Best of luck to you, mate, and I'll keep on sharing your excellent channel.
The only thing I would add is that I would seriously beef up the studwork first, putting second studs (the right way round) along existing studs; also extra cross members, and all generously screwed together = no movement, so no cracking & no leaks. Yup, I have seen many shower / bath rooms like this. Nice vids, thanks.
Great to see someone taking pride in doing something properly.Only thing is you can pretty much guarantee that old shower mixer will pack up 6 months after the job is finished. I would have swapped it out while it was accessable.
Having worked in both the UK and Australia, I can say the UK are way behind on this kind of installation. In Australia it’s now regulation to use this kind of system and waterproof the whole area. Also this job has to have a compliance certificate issued too. Keep up the good work Roger
New Zealand led the way on this, Aussie rules state you can just paint round the edges of a concrete floor, we paint the middle too. Aussie rules say the waterproofing membrane can stop at 1500mm from the shower rose, I keep standing there and shouting at the water to stop but sometimes it does not listen....so we cover the whole floor and 75mm up the perimeter.
Good to see a propper job done. As a self builder, I would say, half the contracors I have used are "....Rubbish" most simply labourers who have learned on the job and then gone solo. Even the C+G certed ones are very poor. One thing is true they all think that they are "The dogs" and charge accordingly.
The vertical seam (just the corner) is taped but we were already planning on a new shower at this point so we just did this to finish the video th-cam.com/video/Cn_KD5HfYH0/w-d-xo.html
Have not seen that Elements board here in the US but it looks quite nice. Every bathroom reno I've done, I have used the system from Schluter which is similar - a foam structural board with polymer facing. Then you can mortar a flat waterproofing membrane for vertical walls, and a corrugated waterproofing/decoupling membrane for horizontal surfaces. The decoupling allows the building to shift but isolates that movement from the tile work.
Thanks Roger 👍 Our 12yr old house is just beginning to spring problems, plumbing joints leaking through ceiling, toilet mechanisms failing, grout and silicone perishing. It’s April 2022, all the best skilled trades are booked up for months we’ll have to do a bit ourselves
Are you guys required inspections over there? At least where I live in the United States and you are building within city limits you are required to get certain inspections before certain building processes can continue. Would the inspector not find these issues like the shower valve not properly being supported and require the plumber to properly fix the problem before the tile guy can start his work? Also is the product you used like USG Durock board?
Have you every had anything inspected? Especially on a large jobsite. Inspector probably looked at one shower and said, "good. Do them all like this." Then the contractor gets lazy as the job goes on and doesnt do them all perfect.
Mate, many of the 'tradesmen' in the UK are not even trained properly anymore. You can buy tools and be a brickie on Monday, then if you like you can be a chippie on Tuesday. Standards in the UK are low and our inspections and regs are just are, imo, terrible.
Thanks Adrian 9.37 also shows the horizontal bracing. I have learned from this video that some people need everything explaining while others can relax with a bit of music and work out what is going on for themselves.
Skill Builder but some people haven’t got the experience or knowledge of some of you guys and what to look for as I have a similar set up in our house. Hence the question...... best not to bother asking you in the future 👍🏻
It looked like the studs were 24 inches o.c. In the U.S. they would have been 16 inches o.c. and it looked like the cement board was flexing a little when you showed how sturdy it is.
Top bloke. I am not a tradesman but I have learned a lot which is very useful when asking questions and importantly when talking to plumbers about a job you may consider having done. Thank you for making these information videoed. Very much appreciated.
Good stuff, looks easier to use then cement board. Think I'd have been tempted to rip out and reinstate that stud work with the studs facing the correct way though.
If I ever win the lottery, I’m hiring this guy. I want him to project manage the whole thing. I listen to your videos because I love your experience, your honesty and voice.
I got a builder like you. Mark. Man, i am so v lucky as these days, he is a rare find. A proper skilled builder with a conscious and pride in his work. I appreciate him immensely.
@@dean3583 False. The TV licence is a subscription to the BBC. We also have plumbing inspections but that is limited mainly to specific types of drainage and pressurised systems.
That’s not entirely true, if you’re paying a professional to do a job then he should do it right, after all he agreed the price. You can’t blame people for wanting the best price, this is why companies bid for contracts. Fair enough if you get your mates dad to do the job but if you pay a pro you expect it done right regardless of price.
You can expect whatever you get, but the fact is contractors face economic realities, and they will do things the least expensive way possible unless there are rigid specs, and effective inspections. It is up to the builder/homeowner to create those standards, if that's what they want. And yes, it will cost more, but it will be a better job.
Mark Sesum dunno what your point is. If someone is trained to professional standards then they’re a pro. Some pros will compete on price hence why bids are made.
I cant stand people that don't have pride doing the job right, they are a discredit to they're profession . Hats off to you sir, coming back and doing the job with pride.
Best advice ever and I have seen so many idiots build shower pans on you tube and am shocked in the poor workmanship. I am glad I did my shower room with the same process that you applied and I also did a course on tiling and plumbing. I don’t trust any builder because I will never know if the job is done to perfection. Glad that people like you are here to help and advise.
Nor me mate. I'm a chippy and I just won't do site work any more. Everything in sight is made from MDF and thrown in with a nail gun, cardboard doors, cheap & nasty kitchens, everything featureless, bland and ultra-cheap. Give me a Victorian house any day. Properly built to last, by guys who cared.
@@atommachine No need, I already live in a house that my Father built over 60 years ago with proper engineering brick/slate damp-course, all brick walls
An informative video and I’ll be watching the rest of the series. Too bad they don’t sell the Elements board here in the U.S.. The Elements board looks to be light weight and of course as you said, waterproof. The closest thing we have to it (as far as I know) is Durock which is a concrete backer board which is cement based with a mesh in it. Then you have to waterproof it and it doesn’t have any real insulating properties to it. I always enjoy your videos as you always do the work the way it should have been originally and you teach and inform the viewers along the way. We have trades people like that here too but they are few and far between. Thanks. Ron
Roger, I watched a video of an experienced installer who says that once the water gets in either through the grout or bad sealant you will still have to rip the whole lot out and redo, he says the expensive board is a waste of money. I can see his point. But I can also see the advantage of not allowing the water to soak into the substrate via the grout lines.
You, like, did the job properly!! Such a refreshing change👍 Awesome vid - that studwork made me want to cry 😭. You wouldn't believe the stuff I've seen over the years... well, YOU would but most folks wouldn't. Might share some of them at some point. Got a vid coming out next Sat (I think?!?) touching on a similar topic. And to folk saying "don't use tiles" - nowt wrong with tiles if the job is done properly. 👍🛠👍
Hey Roger, love your style mate, same problem everywhere, as far as pride in the job! I did my apprenticeship in West Oxfordshire 36 years ago, been in Canada for 27 years. I'd love to show you the big difference in our trade. If your ever around Toronto give me a shout.
Same in NZ sadly,weve replaced every shower in every house weve bought over he last 26yrs, onto our ensuite just now....wish there were more tradesmen like you !!
We have a saying regarding products and it is In the past they were built UPTO A STANDARD But are now built DOWN TO A PRICE. We've noticed for some years now the same mentally with training "Qualified Trade" people as with some employers I was taught that you do a job properly the first time, and have pride in your work A lot of youngsters now adays don't know the meaning of pride, or the reason for doing the job correctly first time
Hello from across the pond. Gave you like for knowledge and professionalism. We in the US use cement board in tub surrounds. Never ever sheet rock or wallboard as the backer for tile. Thanks for explaining your way of doing this properly for those who have been terribly misinformed.
Imported unskilled labour putting up flat pack houses. I've worked on these sites and had colleagues that were Romanian primary school teachers, Punjabi farmers and Pakistani pharmacists. Nothing wrong with that and lovely guys but their respective professions are not building site trades.
When you are faced with unrealistic build schedules, using the cheapest materials to hand, with Site Agents not checking Quality of Work anymore.....with tradesmen working morning, noon,afternoon and night to get plots finished on time....is it any wonder new builds are not fit for purpose......
Unfortunately, as home buyers, we dont know whats behind the walls. You can get inspections, etc. But these sort of issues come up after the fact most times. Unless you are building from scratch and as well be on the job site to watch, its going to happen. Not saying all contractors are like that, but the general public hires them because they dont have the time or knowledge, or both to do the job themselves. This video made me subscribe however, can never have to much knowledge when it comes to your house
Money, money, money. Squeeze as many dollars as you can out of each job. I did appliance repair and saw this many times. But I was like this fellow - simply *would not* allow shoddy work to exist. Cost more, but my customers loved it - and I got lots or referrals.
We've just had our bathroom done in our 100 odd year old house and the lad tiled onto an old plaster and lath wall, punching a couple of holes through it for shower pipes. Instead of using any moisture board he just pasted some green tanking solution all over the walls...worried we're likely to see moisture issues in future! How do you rate these paste-on-the-wall tanking solutions?
did mine as i had to put new tray in . i used cement board then tanked it , wasn't overly expensive for materials compared to right materials . didn't cost me labour. I'm not a trade person but I will go the extra mile to get it done right .
House buyers are ticked up financially to their eyeballs when buying a home that when it comes to paying for repairs they usually take the cheapest quote as they don't have no funds left apart from a huge mortgage
See 'Shower Horror Show Part 2' - th-cam.com/video/Cn_KD5HfYH0/w-d-xo.html
In law, the householder shouldn't have to pay for this 'repair' because the original work was defective in design and materials specification or workmanship. There's no time limit on a latent defect it's not a 10 year limit just because the guarantee period is 10 years, you get 6 years from the date you know of the defect, there is case law on this. Unless the developer / builder is bust it's a viable claim and should be pursued for remedy from the originating fault party.
Michael, that may be the case but very few people have the means to pursue a case against big builders for what amounts to minor repairs. I doubt you would find a solicitor who would pursue it on a no win no fee basis. If you take the breakdown of a silicone seal around a shower tray as an example a builder could say that it is wear and tear and within the scope of routine maintenance. My argument is that silicone seals are not sufficient on there own to prevent water ingress because buildings move. There needs to be a backup, This is the argument against using plasterboard. It is not suitable for shower areas and that is now being acknowledged.
The British Standards have just been changed (20i8) to require tanking in shower areas. Given how long this has been a problem is well overdue.
How much did that job cost? I wouldnt have thought anything less than £3000.
TOP workmanship - sad to say but i rarely see such Top attention to detail and actual craftsmanship!
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I just wanted to say your videos are fantastic. I'm a handy man in the States and I see stuff exactly like this all the time. it blows my mind that the people installing this stuff from the get-go can't be bothered to do things properly. I am like you, in that I genuinely care about what I'm doing and I always try to do things the right way. I never cut corners. Indeed, doing so basically makes it so that you don't have to come back in the future for a fix. But on the other hand customers are so pleased with your work that they give you referrals to their friends and family and as well, if you're somewhat of a jack-of-all-trades they will call you back to do the other jobs that they have. In the long run, it pays dividends tenfold in the form of a larger client book.
So nice to find people who care about what they're doing and take pride in their work. Excellent video!!!
Not only that, he's extremely knowledgeable and willing to share it. Great guy!
From the start, Ryan was very helpful and is continuing to be helpful about his th-cam.com/users/postUgkxGqOCINHE0Z0E5gxzSdNi9NWGugRY5Hm2 Plans . Also, they have answered all the questions I have asked & I got outstanding support from his My Shed Plans full package.
I'm a first time home owner (house is from 2004, we're the second owners) and as educational as these videos are they make me so nervous that there's all kinds of hidden disasters lurking inside our walls 😬
You, and me both. We're at the closing/appraisal phase because we took out an FHA loan, so the appraisal is mandatory for it. Watching these videos has given me new perspective. When I say new perspective I mean waking up from a red, sweat-soaked nightmare yelling things like "The foundation is cracked, we're all gonna die!" Lol this is obviously vastly over-dramatized, but you get the idea, LOL.
Sadly there will be. Builders cut corners to make money.
Best you can do is arm yourself with the knowledge and skills required to fix it yourself. I know there are things that will fail on my house, but I sleep well knowing that I won't be paying thousands to shady contractors to fix them.
Yeah, just watch youtube and you can fix pretty much everything. I found that my 2007 home didn't have the bathtub overflow drain connected to anything. Was sitting in the basement while the kid was in the bath and it started raining. I had to cut a hole in my drywall to see wtf was going on. Fairly shitty, and the builders went out of business so I don't even have the option to tell aomeone how stupid they are and how ashamed they should be, and that they're an embarrassment to their mother and father.
More you start to learn the more problems you will find with your home :P
There's nothing more satisfying than seeing a proper job being done, and nothing more annoying than finding cowboy jobs where people just didn't care.
Excellent video, thank you.
This guy is a total legend. Wish i knew a plumber like him.
is he a plumber ??
Where have you read he's a Legend ,, what TV shows or books has he written , w
Someone isn't a legend just because he writes a book in my opinion.
His content is very useful and he's fully transparent when it comes to the specifics of a job. He explains everything that needs to be done in detail and that has helped me on numerous occasions.
Lets call him a "good plumber" then 😉
@@hajirpirouzfar9481 Ok a legend would be a well known explorer like Sir Francis Drake ,, think you need to say this guy seems to know what he's talking about rather than a legend !!!!!
I appreciate your point so thank you. That's why in my last response I said, let's call him a 'good plumber'. Have a lovely weekend.
Hello from Ohio ! I’m a contractor here and use a very similar if not the same product called WEDI. When we discovered and starting using it, it was a total game changer. Love your videos and live learning new things related to the industry!!
I work for one of the uk's largest house builders and we are obsessed with using ply and moisture board in every property we build.
Moisture board is absolutely useless, the amount of strip outs we do a year is rediculous, the ply backing we install over stud work is equally junk and turns mouldy once the moisture board is compromised. Also we install the plasterboard over the shower tray upstands and leave it 10mm off the tray, causes us no end of issues and it's so upsetting for the new home owner. This video certainly offers an excellent way to avoid this issue. Great explanation.
Adrian
That is really interesting to know. I would love to talk to that builder.
@Kenny Groundhopper everything new is just shit. capitalism, efficiency, powerful companies, etc. they shower us with cheaply and shitly produced shit, because first of all it leaves them a larger profit margin if no effort and proper raw materials are applied, second of all, you are going to buy the next item or all call them back for help once the shitly made thing goes bust. it is a vicious circle and inevitable consequence of capitalism unfortunately. regulation would help, but companies are stronger than governments, they lobby, they bribe, so all decent efforts fail. i just end up doing everything for myself now. learned to do so many jobs over the years.
This man goes above and beyond we need more builders like him
especialy when plugging a product that he.....you don't have to pay for, people need get in the real world.
would love see the comments if the commentators got Rodgers Invoice.
When rehashing our bathroom, I bought this Elements board and insisted that it was properly installed according to the instructions. The plumber grumbled and made me pay extra for the added care needed. I'm glad I stood my ground.
ten years ago I did my own bathroom and thought I was too OCD on my approach. Glad to see I did exactly as described here . The manufactures often have great installation advice leaflets
I like this guy. He cares about workmanship, unlike a lot of half assers out there!
A long time pro who takes pride in a good job. In the US when plaster gave way to drywall they used Greenwell for a few decades (probably with little testing) and as the guy said it did not hold up given cracked tiles over decades. Finally concrete board started to show up as demand for a better product increased and as far as I know a builder use this for showers now. The foam center is nice concrete board is heavy and hard to cut, builders probably would not pay for the additional complexity.
Rare breed, but as already said, it,s about the bottom line, that shower would win prizes now, not a good time for tradesmen....
@@willpelton1619 that tape you discus is acutall a glass fiber metrial the paint hes layering over the top is a sealant you clearly dotn have any clue what you are talking about
@@willpelton1619 okay you work. For a firm that's been I'm business 75+ years I'm from. A family of people. Of. Multiple. Trades who have been working as builders plumbers joiners and electricians for generations starting Off with the Irish navvies turned tradesmen so I think I'll take advice from my family and what they were taught from there ancestors and what I know over some plumb on the internet we have a tendancie for testing things and I care to say this stuff looks identical to something we've used for years which is glass fiber weave with a polyurethane and/or silicone sealant painted on top that stuff is just the same just packaged with a label smacked on it and charged at a mark up creates a great seal and stops water and moisture seaping through admitted the markup is insane. On that stuff but for the average dick who doesn't have trade accounts with company's its just the same for a price
@@willpelton1619 admitted one thing I. Did question was why she. He used the tape stuff with the sealant paint why he didn't sell all of the seams and only around the screws and piping that did lead me to think. I.. Pretty sure moisture could see through the seams of the board just as easy as it could the screw holes when my. Uncle has done this kinda stuff using straight sheets of fiberglass and silicone sealants he has covered every single seam
Brilliant. Such a professional. Knows what he's doing and has pride in his work. Rare to see these days.
Love the way you waterproofed! I'll be doing a project like that soon. The old smaller 50's tiles are falling off. Water damage. Mold, mildew. Faucet leaks. Water damage right outside bathtub in corner. Etc. I appreciate your detailed instruction and listing the products. I'll be watching the next video post haste.
Honest genuine plumber. You can see this person has pride in his work. He must be feed up seeing all these poor quality work. Thanks for video
We are about to have the bathroom redone in the 1930's house. Our current wall tiles are stuck on the brick wall without waterproof boards. The floor tiles are stuck on the plywood (which disintegrated below the bathtub). The builder who came to give a quote said we don't need waterproof board on walls and can stick tiles right on. And the floor tiles can be stuck on a new plywood board. Does it sound right to you?
I like this guy's candor. I'm currently having to fix my shower and everything said in this video is priceless.
Love the line, "this is an expensive, beautiful house but have use the cheapest of cheap..." Working in the S.F. bay area and on some of the wealthiest homes I see this; not just this damage; but the use of the "cheapest of the cheapest" material used. SO MANY TIMES I have come to help a homeowner to alleviate a problem that seems simple, only to see this massive cluster... Sometimes I have to ask when the work was done because the original contractor is liable for 10 years. If I touch it before, I become liable for it all!!!
This fella is the kind we need in technical colleges to teach the skills needed for the building trade!
As a plumber I always use a bar shower you can change the whole unit without disturbing the tiles, I find a lot of modern showers after 10 years. You can’t get the spare parts so you have to break the tiles to replace it .great vido
I watched countless videos you put on TH-cam, always done properly and explained in a way I can do most work myself. Many thanks Roger
Framing in that bathroom, I wouldn't even do that on my shed. In the states we run either 2x4 or 2x6 from floor to ceiling 16" on center. We use a vapor barrier covering the wall then cement boards after. The screw with the round disk tie down is a nice feature.
We only use a vapor barrier if the shower doesn't get a waterproofing membrane. You DO NOT want a double barrier to water as if it does penetrate then it is trapped. A lot of guys are using schlueter showers which can be placed right over drywall. I'm not a fan as they don't carry all the products needed to complete a custom shower, if it is just a typical shower then yes but even then it is too expensive for a typical shower especially knowing there are identical products for 40% less. That round clip on the screws is to keep from tearing through the panel since a screw doesn't have a large enough head and the foam panel has a low density. Years ago we used a similar product to secure fiberglass faced foam boards for exterior stucco. They don't stick out because the screw force can pull the whole thing into the surface.
I do wonder about the water producing of the panel and the screws. I see a membrane being brush applied over a mesh tape over the screw and that is water proof and the foam core must be waterproof but in between is the layer of cementacious slurry over that mesh that covers the foam core which isn't waterproof. How does water not creep from porous cement based surface to behind the tape and find a seam or hole? It seems like it is just a gamble and a matter of time.
hope you’re still making videos. you remind me of my father who is a journeyman plumber and in the business for 40 years. currently 75 years old and still going.
How is your Dad? hope he is stil thriving
@@SkillBuilder hello, skillbuilder! nice of you to inquire. yes, he turned 80 this year and is mostly retired but still teaching plumbing at a community college trade school in hawaii two days a week. Working with his hands is his passion, so he still does small jobs for neighbors and clients as well.
In the past 5 years of watching your videos i’ve also grown comfortable with handyman solutions around my own home. And my original fear of doing small maintenance tasks has mostly gone away. I no longer have to call a contractor for every little thing. Only big tasks and anything requiring a licensed tradesman like plumbing and electric.
you,re an absolute pleasure to watch Roger, as a guy who loves doing things properly myself i love watching the videos you make about plumbing, tools and everything in between, keep the good work up cheers Brian.
2:34 the problem is for some unknown reason we have a system of been cheapskates we don’t ask who can do it the best we ask who can do the job the cheapest which of course leads to the trader having to cut corners where the can to save money.
I knew literally nothing about shower repair or tiling, but after watching a lot of YT vids, including Roger here, I settled on Kerdi board which is an astonishing product very similar to the one he uses here. I just finished it yesterday, and it looks very good. The tiles are not perfectly straight but it's sealed up and ready to go. There is a LOT to know for a job like this and hats off to the builders who know how to do it right.
You are a natural tutor. I really enjoyed watching your video. Thank you very much for being so logical and explains the process so well.
The new generation needs to really listen and watch this guy. Good tradesmen are so hard to find. This guy is refreshing. Thank you.
Nah mate, they'd rather buy cheap as possible, bash it in quick as possible then off they f*ck to smash out some lines of coke.
Great job. Love to see someone taking pride in their work and looking after the customer! That's how it's supposed to work!
Just used this kit in my sons bathroom. The tiler arrived and was almost orgasmic at the job we'd done! So much so, he put pictures of it on his Facebook page saying "This is the king of prep I love!" All very easy to use. Great video as usual Roger - Thanks!
That is great to hear. We love it when a plan comes together
Got my bathroom reno coming up, and I will be watching the technicians with eagle eyes. This was very helpful and loaded me with lots of questions prior to my install for the crew. Thanks again.
The problem is, the job goes to the cheapest quote. Contractors quote as cheap as they can and then realise they have to cut corners just to break even. Never buy a new house, they're all crap!
As a tiler you get called out to these all the time. Customer thinks you just have to refix the bottom row of tiles but the job turns out like this one plus maybe a bit of plumbing work to cure a leak, bit of joinery to replace rotten studding and add extra noggins and yes one or two tiles break and you can't match them Suddenly you're telling them they're looking at the best part of a grand and they hit the roof like it's your fault.
@@caahacky Well before doing any work the customer should be made aware of what can happen and given all the options possible.
Weren't all houses new at one stage?? :-/ hahaha
@@NicholasCox85 yes but to.es have changed. Edwardian houses are the best because they had perfected the problems of Victorian time and still had money left to do things properly. Ever since WW1 the country has been skint and cutting corners.
True - once bitten twice shy.
Terrific presentation, a natural communicator, not breakneck delivery but concise and easy to follow. A natural teacher.
Wish I could find a tradesman like you. Knows what he's doing and does the job properly.
The builder I worked for used to use either cement board or dedicated board which didn't need tiling.
A lot of problems stem from the fact that there are no, (or very very few) apprenticeships in the building trade.
Our local technical college was pulled down years ago. Nowadays, everything is done to a price.
I always used to favour surface mounted shower fittings, so if the mixer needed fixing in the future and no
spares were available, you didn't have to destroy tiles to change it.
I dont understand why the tiles leak through to the board in the first place… what about sealing the grout properly?
Do not rely on one thing, many a child is born through the reliance on a thin piece of rubber.
Absolutely love Roger's videos. He explains everything so simply, without any "hype" or (over)acting!
Clearly knows his stuff - and takes pride in his work.
Thanks to Roger (and the rest of the crew) for these videos. 👍
If i was to ever learn a trade, i'd like to learn it from someone as knowledgeable as this guy!
Thanks for the heads up knowledge is everything
My grandad always used to day learn from the best around
This man is one of the best. He cares about doing a good job. There are so many cowboys around.
Absolutely wonderful to see a proper professional doing a proper job. Cowboys belong in John Wayne movies and NOT in the building game. Well done, Sir !!
Good vid my friend i have been a plumber for 35 years i have been working down my workload for some time , watching your vid brings back a lot of memories. Everything you say in the vid is true i am so lucky that all my work is in a 5-mile radius of my house and i am able to pick and choose my jobs. If i never have to do another shower cubical again i will be a happy man but as you say nearly every new build has a cubical installed using plasterboard.
"That's a clue isn't it?"
"He's a good man--and thorough".
M. Lebowski
I've used these insulation sheets on the floor in wet rooms but never knew/considered them for walls too. I normally use a particle board but they are so much harder to cut and fix, are heavier and more expensive. I then seal the joints etc as you have. I'm going to be using these in future. Thanks.
You can use something like Fermacell or any other waterproof cement board there, just seal the holes/joints internal corners with fiber tape and liquid sealing membrane
Excellent video Roger. Nice tempo and explanation. I had this exact problem after a bathroom refit that lasted only 3 years because of plasterboard walls and lack of effective sealing. I've since looked at the way they do it in the USA and it's a far more comprehensive approach - cement/backer boards, taped and sealed joints and waterproof sealant applied. 3 layers of protection. We should adopt the same system in the UK.
Thanks Matt, we're sure you'll enjoy Part 2 - th-cam.com/video/Cn_KD5HfYH0/w-d-xo.html
I did a DYI reno where I replaced the tub and its enclosure. I used a vinyl tub enclosure, and rather than using green board, which was what was under the old tiles, I replaced it with cement board, which is 3/8" thick, and claimed to be completely waterproof.
I always used cement board for shower/tun enclosures. But I did use a very similar material to this to patch a shower in a rental apartment my friend owned. He was really cheap and only wanted to do the bare minimum. I cut out a section of tile about 2' high and the length of the tub, just enough to get past the wet and rotted parts, replaced the rotten wood as best I could, and then used the foam-core tile backer board and tiled it. I was skeptical of that stuff but now it's over 20 years later and it's still holding up.
Thanks Roger! Great to see quality craftsmanship triumph over the easy money!! Cheers from the Colonies.
Thanks Salty. We have Part 2 coming up on Friday 23rd November at 7pm GMT. Please make sure you come back and see this project completed!
Besides the good information presented, I find that the tools and materials links are useful and much appreciated. Even when I don't need anything right away, I always like to go to the website and write a quick summary and/or print out enough info for future reference and add it to my collection of "Product Knowledge" ring binders.
Oh the pain! When you removed that tile my old nightmares returned. I've encountered these same crumbling shower enclosures in two homes. Excellent video and I admire your attention to detail.
Interesting to see different methods & materials. I am a Brit now living in Canada.
Unlike a lot of the contractors here I am not a fan of concrete board s a backer, instead I use glassfibre faced gypsum tile backer (horrible itchy stuff) then add Kerdi membrane, rolled out sideways so there is no cut in the corners & overlaps facing inward with a hang over at tub or pan lip before putting tile up meaning gravity will always bring water into the right side. The Kerdi stuff is good but it is expensive. They also make round patched to stick to the membrane with rubber seals around the mixer & spouts...well worth it. I am not a fan of using silicone to make bead seals...it eventually fails & this is a one shot deal! So far never had a leak. I only use mould resistant drywall at all. For the couple of bucks difference, it is not worth buying ordinary paper faced drywall.
Both of my showers were installed 20 years ago with the tiles on top of marine ply. No leaks, staining or cracks have ever occurred. The grouting and tiles are all as original. I did use 2 pack waterproof grout and high quality waterproof adhesive. If I was doing it today, I would use the abacus board, but it wasn't around at the time
With the price of new builds these days they should be built like palaces to be honest 😕
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I've just bought my 1st house, looked at loads bit not a single new build, as a spark I know how shit they are, definitely proof you a can polish a turd
They are mostly absolute sh!£
I just bought a new build home for 451k. New as in it was finished a month ago. In the first week of ownership I’ve had to fix both HVAC units and get the master shower (which is huge) regrouted due to cracking. Fun times.
New Builds are generally crap, but what do you expect when developers prioritse timescale and profits over quality. As for most of the subcontractors on domestic new builds, they work on price (not hourly rate) which just causes rushed/ slapdash installs and poor workmanship.
I always wondered what Gordon Ramsay's brother did for a living...
He is a lot much gentle than Gordon. Soft spoken & kind :)
that is hilarious lol
Gordon Ramsay’s real brother is a heroin addict lol
@Sara Rossborough-Muhammad Exactly my thoughts - sounds/looks nothing like Gordon Ramsey - should try else where with that joke lol
I was thinking Chuckle Brothers. But you actually nailed it.
Love your videos Roger.
Interesting how different things are in the UK compared to Australia or
Queensland in particular. All bathrooms/showers are sheeted with plaster board or villaboard which is a hardies brand fiber cement sheet. The main difference is the whole floor an walls up to 2metres high is membraned with a rolled or painted on product. Generally a fool proof system. Usually a 30mm aluminum angle at the door entrance to allow for cement bed for tiles. To test the floor membrane, we put a partly blown up party balloon into the floor waste an flood test the floor with 20mm of water overnight.
in finland same....how in uk you can still build like that ?
I bought my first house, we moved one week ago, i had a couple of shower and the plasterboard at lower floor has started to show a leak. Just looking at it, I was already aware that the shower was not really great.
I am an architect and i know how important is waterproofing.
The bathroom has a very crap plastic shower tray which has been fixed just with silicon to the plywood, no membrane, no waterproofing nothing.
The vynil sheet has been layed on the plywood directly sealing the perimeter with silicon around the shower tray, It is the worster thing i have never seen in my experience. I am starting to do the job by myself. Thank you for your video, it is really helpful to see from the pratical point of view..
It's true, real craftsmen still exist! Thanks for a well-presented and interesting video.
Best home repair video I have ever seen, Ever... Thanks for making it so much entertaining.
This video is gold dust. Thank you for teaching me the right way to do it, Roger. New bathroom with shower now completed and it looks amazing. Eternally grateful.
Thanks Neil, I am very glad you have done it right
My pleasure, Roger. Thanks once again, The first one was a rip out and a doorway moved to make way for a shower cubicle in a granny flat ensuite downstairs. I'm starting on the upstairs bathroom this week. Another complete rip out and replace but this time of a "delightful" blue 70s bathroom suite to be replaced with white. New tiles on walls and floor etc. That'll please the missus. Best of luck to you, mate, and I'll keep on sharing your excellent channel.
Tradesman who takes pride of his work. Rare breed these days of age.
The only thing I would add is that I would seriously beef up the studwork first, putting second studs (the right way round) along existing studs; also extra cross members, and all generously screwed together = no movement, so no cracking & no leaks. Yup, I have seen many shower / bath rooms like this. Nice vids, thanks.
I love your frame of mind and ethics! Inspiration for the future trade! Well done Mate!
Great to see someone taking pride in doing something properly.Only thing is you can pretty much guarantee that old shower mixer will pack up 6 months after the job is finished. I would have swapped it out while it was accessable.
Yes we went for full replacement here: th-cam.com/video/Cn_KD5HfYH0/w-d-xo.html
Having worked in both the UK and Australia, I can say the UK are way behind on this kind of installation. In Australia it’s now regulation to use this kind of system and waterproof the whole area. Also this job has to have a compliance certificate issued too. Keep up the good work Roger
Paul Lenton
They have just changed the regs in the U.K so we now have to tank shower areas. We are only 20 years late on this
Correct Paul. Certificate issued on completion with all the relevant info on it from who and what was installed.
New Zealand led the way on this, Aussie rules state you can just paint round the edges of a concrete floor, we paint the middle too. Aussie rules say the waterproofing membrane can stop at 1500mm from the shower rose, I keep standing there and shouting at the water to stop but sometimes it does not listen....so we cover the whole floor and 75mm up the perimeter.
Good to see a propper job done. As a self builder, I would say, half the contracors I have used are "....Rubbish" most simply labourers who have learned on the job and then gone solo. Even the C+G certed ones are very poor. One thing is true they all think that they are "The dogs" and charge accordingly.
Why haven't you taped up the vertical seam?
The vertical seam (just the corner) is taped but we were already planning on a new shower at this point so we just did this to finish the video
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Excellent videography, editing and audio recording. Well done !
Thanks man!
Cement sheet and a membrane and waterproofer in grout then no problem ,plaster in any wet situation is crap
Have not seen that Elements board here in the US but it looks quite nice. Every bathroom reno I've done, I have used the system from Schluter which is similar - a foam structural board with polymer facing. Then you can mortar a flat waterproofing membrane for vertical walls, and a corrugated waterproofing/decoupling membrane for horizontal surfaces. The decoupling allows the building to shift but isolates that movement from the tile work.
Thanks Roger 👍 Our 12yr old house is just beginning to spring problems, plumbing joints leaking through ceiling, toilet mechanisms failing, grout and silicone perishing. It’s April 2022, all the best skilled trades are booked up for months we’ll have to do a bit ourselves
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Are you guys required inspections over there? At least where I live in the United States and you are building within city limits you are required to get certain inspections before certain building processes can continue. Would the inspector not find these issues like the shower valve not properly being supported and require the plumber to properly fix the problem before the tile guy can start his work? Also is the product you used like USG Durock board?
Have you every had anything inspected? Especially on a large jobsite. Inspector probably looked at one shower and said, "good. Do them all like this." Then the contractor gets lazy as the job goes on and doesnt do them all perfect.
thats why jet fuel knocked down a skyscraper right ? cuz of ya usa standards ?
That isn't true. The floors were held up on brackets which failed and the cumulative weight did the rest. How did those explosives get there?
Mate, many of the 'tradesmen' in the UK are not even trained properly anymore. You can buy tools and be a brickie on Monday, then if you like you can be a chippie on Tuesday. Standards in the UK are low and our inspections and regs are just are, imo, terrible.
NO! Jet fuel can't even soften steel, that's what acetylene and oxygen can ONLY do.
Tanx for uploading video always enjoy watching your video's find them very interesting and informative can't wait for part 2.
Thanks EK, we're sure you'll enjoy Part 2 - th-cam.com/video/Cn_KD5HfYH0/w-d-xo.html
I’m confused. You said the stud work wasn’t adequate. Yet nothing was done unless I missed something?!?...
Watch at 9:14. He fixed the problem with a HORIZONTAL stud to secure the water valve.
Thanks Adrian
9.37 also shows the horizontal bracing. I have learned from this video that some people need everything explaining while others can relax with a bit of music and work out what is going on for themselves.
Skill Builder but some people haven’t got the experience or knowledge of some of you guys and what to look for as I have a similar set up in our house. Hence the question...... best not to bother asking you in the future 👍🏻
Adrian Mikeliunas cheers. Noticed it the second time of watching. Cheers 🤝
It looked like the studs were 24 inches o.c. In the U.S. they would have been 16 inches o.c. and it looked like the cement board was flexing a little when you showed how sturdy it is.
Quality of workmanship is absolutely brilliant - wonderful to see!!!
Top bloke. I am not a tradesman but I have learned a lot which is very useful when asking questions and importantly when talking to plumbers about a job you may consider having done. Thank you for making these information videoed. Very much appreciated.
Yep but remember, some 'tradesmen' don't always do what they say they're going to do. Don't ask me how I know 🙂.
Good stuff, looks easier to use then cement board.
Think I'd have been tempted to rip out and reinstate that stud work with the studs facing the correct way though.
Yep defo, see this in new build to save"space" like you can see 2" per wall in a bathroom!!
I don't believe you should ever leave black mold. The suds should be cleaned and sealed.
okay good im not crazy too, the guy did not remove the molded part "proffesional" my ass 🙃
Tha mold will never grow back so long there is not a water source ie. leaks. Mold needs food (organic matter) in this case 2x4 and water.
pricing up this kind of repair is a nightmare as you just don't know what your gonna find.
Very true Chris
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If I ever win the lottery, I’m hiring this guy. I want him to project manage the whole thing.
I listen to your videos because I love your experience, your honesty and voice.
I got a builder like you. Mark. Man, i am so v lucky as these days, he is a rare find. A proper skilled builder with a conscious and pride in his work. I appreciate him immensely.
That valve was a broken water line waiting to happen. Ridiculous. No Plumbing inspections in the UK ?
@@dean3583 False. The TV licence is a subscription to the BBC. We also have plumbing inspections but that is limited mainly to specific types of drainage and pressurised systems.
@@dean3583 was that pun intentional :-)
Being a person that does not like waste, may I thank everyone who has presented this video, British made abacus, yeah, make great Britain Great again,
Its not rocket science - People just aren't prepared to pay the money for a proper job half the time.
And they end up paying more to redo anything .
That’s not entirely true, if you’re paying a professional to do a job then he should do it right, after all he agreed the price. You can’t blame people for wanting the best price, this is why companies bid for contracts. Fair enough if you get your mates dad to do the job but if you pay a pro you expect it done right regardless of price.
You can expect whatever you get, but the fact is contractors face economic realities, and they will do things the least expensive way possible unless there are rigid specs, and effective inspections. It is up to the builder/homeowner to create those standards, if that's what they want. And yes, it will cost more, but it will be a better job.
Marine plywood for shower area..
Mark Sesum dunno what your point is. If someone is trained to professional standards then they’re a pro. Some pros will compete on price hence why bids are made.
I cant stand people that don't have pride doing the job right, they are a discredit to they're profession . Hats off to you sir, coming back and doing the job with pride.
Best advice ever and I have seen so many idiots build shower pans on you tube and am shocked in the poor workmanship. I am glad I did my shower room with the same process that you applied and I also did a course on tiling and plumbing. I don’t trust any builder because I will never know if the job is done to perfection. Glad that people like you are here to help and advise.
As a sparkie and have seen how new builds are done I wouldn’t buy one my 1930’s house will still be standing when this shite has fallen down
Couldnt agree more mate...99% of new builds wont last 60 years....thats being generous
Nor me mate. I'm a chippy and I just won't do site work any more. Everything in sight is made from MDF and thrown in with a nail gun, cardboard doors, cheap & nasty kitchens, everything featureless, bland and ultra-cheap. Give me a Victorian house any day. Properly built to last, by guys who cared.
Agree. I live in a 1920s house, I have brand new ones on my road completed in 2013.
Already they're falling to bits.
@@KevinBower-gy5be where are you based Kev?
I’m in Derbyshire. Almost all of my work is done on heritage and listed buildings. All the best.
I would never ever buy a new build house in the UK, cheap shoddy rubbish with bad workmanship, has been for years !
Buld your own for sure , or buy a old house.
@@atommachine No need, I already live in a house that my Father built over 60 years ago with proper engineering brick/slate damp-course, all brick walls
An informative video and I’ll be watching the rest of the series.
Too bad they don’t sell the Elements board here in the U.S.. The Elements board looks to be light weight and of course as you said, waterproof. The closest thing we have to it (as far as I know) is Durock which is a concrete backer board which is cement based with a mesh in it. Then you have to waterproof it and it doesn’t have any real insulating properties to it.
I always enjoy your videos as you always do the work the way it should have been originally and you teach and inform the viewers along the way.
We have trades people like that here too but they are few and far between.
Thanks.
Ron
Schluter system is similar? Though any system will require taping of joints/corners etc
I have no project at present but loved the precision of doing the best possible job to prevent future problems.
Roger, I watched a video of an experienced installer who says that once the water gets in either through the grout or bad sealant you will still have to rip the whole lot out and redo, he says the expensive board is a waste of money. I can see his point. But I can also see the advantage of not allowing the water to soak into the substrate via the grout lines.
You, like, did the job properly!! Such a refreshing change👍 Awesome vid - that studwork made me want to cry 😭. You wouldn't believe the stuff I've seen over the years... well, YOU would but most folks wouldn't. Might share some of them at some point. Got a vid coming out next Sat (I think?!?) touching on a similar topic. And to folk saying "don't use tiles" - nowt wrong with tiles if the job is done properly. 👍🛠👍
if you don't shame the companies pal they wont change.
the plumbing looked horrid as well... piped all crooked, no supports, flux not cleaned off so you get all that green corrosion... sigh
@@phiksit Yeah i thought that too - i am not a plumber but even i can see its crook!
Hey Roger, love your style mate, same problem everywhere, as far as pride in the job! I did my apprenticeship in West Oxfordshire 36 years ago, been in Canada for 27 years. I'd love to show you the big difference in our trade. If your ever around Toronto give me a shout.
Same in NZ sadly,weve replaced every shower in every house weve bought over he last 26yrs, onto our ensuite just now....wish there were more tradesmen like you !!
We have a saying regarding products and it is
In the past they were built UPTO A STANDARD
But are now built DOWN TO A PRICE.
We've noticed for some years now the same mentally with training "Qualified Trade" people as with some employers
I was taught that you do a job properly the first time, and have pride in your work
A lot of youngsters now adays don't know the meaning of pride, or the reason for doing the job correctly first time
@@javeedsultan8484 Spot on! The majority cares not (about anything) anymore!
I Roger i've been a professional Tiler for 35 odd years, and i can tell your "Solid" !, good work mate :)
His rendering is far from it 😂
It is so refreshing to see a master of his trade explain things. Wonderful.
Hello from across the pond. Gave you like for knowledge and professionalism. We in the US use cement board in tub surrounds. Never ever sheet rock or wallboard as the backer for tile. Thanks for explaining your way of doing this properly for those who have been terribly misinformed.
Shocking standard of workmanship on these new builds, we all know these new over priced houses are complete crap with idiots working on them.
The same is true of houses from the 1950s housing boom. Lot of cut corners.
This happens on every house ,The Building regs need changing and ENFORCING,Building inspectors are complicit in this .
Imported unskilled labour putting up flat pack houses. I've worked on these sites and had colleagues that were Romanian primary school teachers, Punjabi farmers and Pakistani pharmacists. Nothing wrong with that and lovely guys but their respective professions are not building site trades.
When you are faced with unrealistic build schedules, using the cheapest materials to hand, with Site Agents not checking Quality of Work anymore.....with tradesmen working morning, noon,afternoon and night to get plots finished on time....is it any wonder new builds are not fit for purpose......
i bet he has never work on sit in his life guts parts it in his ca
Unfortunately, as home buyers, we dont know whats behind the walls. You can get inspections, etc. But these sort of issues come up after the fact most times. Unless you are building from scratch and as well be on the job site to watch, its going to happen. Not saying all contractors are like that, but the general public hires them because they dont have the time or knowledge, or both to do the job themselves. This video made me subscribe however, can never have to much knowledge when it comes to your house
Money, money, money. Squeeze as many dollars as you can out of each job. I did appliance repair and saw this many times. But I was like this fellow - simply *would not* allow shoddy work to exist. Cost more, but my customers loved it - and I got lots or referrals.
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This guy know his stuff - what a brilliant tradesman.
Thanks paris monty, make sure you watch Part 2 (coming soon)
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We've just had our bathroom done in our 100 odd year old house and the lad tiled onto an old plaster and lath wall, punching a couple of holes through it for shower pipes. Instead of using any moisture board he just pasted some green tanking solution all over the walls...worried we're likely to see moisture issues in future! How do you rate these paste-on-the-wall tanking solutions?
did mine as i had to put new tray in . i used cement board then tanked it , wasn't overly expensive for materials compared to right materials . didn't cost me labour. I'm not a trade person but I will go the extra mile to get it done right .
House buyers are ticked up financially to their eyeballs when buying a home that when it comes to paying for repairs they usually take the cheapest quote as they don't have no funds left apart from a huge mortgage