Really? I feel like we are watching two different movies. The message I got from the movies were something along the lines of "Life's tough. You could (and for some people, will) lose the spark that you had after you enter adulthood, but don't stop moving, keep trudging along, because one day, you will get your spark back even if it looks to be impossible". A hopeful message, that's what I got from the movie.
@@blairturner139 it's not about potential though? It's about childish innocence. Most adults lose their childish innocence and became unable to enjoy the little things. That's the "spark" I was talking about.
The thing is, Menoa lied, or more specifically projected what she considered the “truth” of what happens when children grow up. The message of Kizuna is that forcing yourself to “grow up” to fit society’s expectations is what is driving the bonds to disappear. The reason why it’s happening to Matt and Tai is because they have also been taking this stance. It is shown early in the movie that they have been emotionally neglecting their partners. Pawning them off to be babysat by their younger siblings, scoffing at the thought of brining them to their classes, and living alone without them. Agumon himself said, “Are we not needed anymore” Matt, Tai, and Sora all lose their partners because they closed themselves off in a bid to become an “adult”. They have closed off their limitless possibilities and only look back at their childhood of resigned nostalgia. The end of the movie ends bittersweet but hopeful. They will meet again after all, they just need to find that spark of wonder again. Their adventure isn’t over, but we the audience have seen their struggles and how they have overcome them already. We can fantasize at what point in their adulthood they get them back, but we don’t really need it.
We have another film on the way now featuring the 02 cast. The digimon series has adult Tai working alongside Agumon at the UN so something is probally going to happen to reconnect the partners eventually. Or hey...maybe they do reunite but simply can't digivolve anymore and arnt bound by digivice? Also,your theory sound good. Okikawa had a partner at HIS age afterall.
This would actually have been an Amazing evil plan for a villain later on in the story, making the digidestined break their bonds on their own and making them vulnerable to get rid of later! Setting up a confrontation with them when they realized growing isn’t about losing that spark for adventure and “potential”- as people can ALWAYS keep changing, growing and shifting. Their dreams. If anything Kizuna prays off of the childish fear of what growing up means, or a very defeatist outlook of adulthood as a role you forever LOCK yourself into once you’ve chosen one.
Yeah I didn't really like when the Video kept calling the idea Misery porn considering the movie ends on an optimistic outlook creating more of a bittersweet ending rather then one that's meant to make people depressed. On top of that the video mentions the Digi destined not being Present but lets not forget that Our War game also focused mostly on the main 2...Heck it focuses less on Matt
I feel like the digimon 02 cast is far less likely to neglect their digimon, especially Daisuke/Davis, he's already working for his dream in the trailer.
I like the message of the movie, don’t force yourself to grow up just to meet society’s expectations. You’re allowed to love the things that made you happy as a kid, you’re allowed to hang out with your old friends. Forcing yourself to grow up will only make you unhappy
The movie was well done. They were going somewhere different with it and they did. The next installments will be unique as well. Ghost Game was and a lot of people throw shade at that too. New series' will have different stories/visions.
Yeah the message of the movie was to relate with us. The digidestined that have grown up with the show as a last hoorah before adulthood. The complaints about 02s ending being maybe retconned is so stupid. Y’all act like 02 was Shakespeare
12:40 Even the second Season establishes one adult Tamer and shows the Cast all grown up. Digimon dying just cause the DigiVice has run out of Power makes zero Sense eighter. Thats why some writers jumped of on the Story, because it completly ignored established Part of the Worldbuilding. If anything it would be interesting to see Agumon comming into terms whit Adult Taichi growing old and dying eventually.
@Sunae I again respectfully disagree. I found the movie to be about growing up and accepting that it will happen but it doesn't mean you have to he contempt jn a nepotism centered world. Children are naive and we can grow up looking at our past as cheap nostalgia for a short satisfaction but we can also hold it to heart and learn from our past that naive ideas like "never giving up" can shape a path to rhe careers and dream we want
Yiu shoild know just because some high school kid decided to post this oj the internet doesn't make everything he said true .There are a lot of things I agree and disagree with. For one say what you will about the digimom but they are meant to represent out childhood and even if we don't notice it we DO linger away from things we enjoyed as kids digimon aren't TOYS sure, but are to represent the same feeling as leaving a toy close to u to collect dust on the shelf. And I find the message not to be "oh ur growing up?? Boo hoo here adulthood and taxes" the movie is about accepting time is gonna change you and u might not hold those old friends so high or swe them as often. But they aren't gone because the adventures you had shaped u into a new person. Short of it... the end of the movie isn't somber because "I will see you again"
This movie failed to get me invested for two reasons: - They already did the loss of the partner Digimon before in TRI, where all of the partners get infected with Meicoomon's glitch and need to be reset and lose their memories; - The ending of 02 already shows that all ends well, with the chosen children being with their partners again. Because of these reasons, there was no impact for me in the revelation that Taichi and Yamato would lose their Digimon by the end, so I didn't feel much emotional connection at all. It felt cheap
Can’t say I agree. Rather, I saw it as a send off in recognition that nothing stays the same. Agumon and Taichi’s last conversation beat sums that up, when agumon remarks that taichi is so much bigger now, while taichi responds with Agumon’s lack of change. In a sense we, the audience, are placed in Taichi’s shoes. We grew up, and it’s time to look forward to other things in life now. Not to say that we should forget about the past, but that we shdnt be held back by it. If forgetting the past was indeed the message, we wouldn’t have a scene of Yamato and Taichi bawling their eyes out when their partners inevitably disappeared
I heard that people that created this movie said that it doesn’t contradict the epilogue of 02. The new Movie focusing on the 02 kids. Digimon Adventure 02 : The Beginning. Will probably connect to the epilogue.
I suggest you watch this other video explaining how it doesn't contradict 02. I really think the point of this movie was missed. The name is last Evolution, not Goodbye Digimon. th-cam.com/video/bK3eLxFclm4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LUelNjk75fBWB_co
When I heard about the supposed ending to LE I'm like nope this isn't my digimon because digimon has always been about hope. So breaking up your tamers and digimon is pointless.
Thank you! This movie is well made, but I really can't get past the core concepts and themes. Digimon, especially Tamers, is still a huge artistic inspiration of mine. Kizuna's message felt like nothing more than an insult for still caring about art as an adult.
Thank you and yes, that was my biggest issue. It felt like a huge disservice to the longtime fans who... it was made for. Thankfully we still have Digimon content on the horizon to look forward to that won't be so tone deaf!!
I do not understand Kizuna, its a great movie but it felt like it only existed to milk the fans’ tears, why are we crying that Tai and Matt’s Digimons vanished? We know they’re going to be together again in the future. The movie acted like they will never see each other again, also, I noticed how its only Tai, Matt and Sora that lose theirs and not the rest. Kizuna is weird to me cause, I think its execution is great, its gorgeous, but yeah it felt like they just try to milk the fans’ tears, which I have no idea why some fans acted like 02 ending never existed somehow..
Weird I felt like this for Tri. They basically milked the nostalgia. It is obvious that the Animation studio hold on the idea of this 7 movies as 3/4 of the Episodes were random boredom and almost every Plottwist was resolved in the next movie. The Digimon were all infected? Now they are all reborn. Oh, they don't remember anything? A few episodes later they remember everything. Tri. throws big names like Ygdrassil and Gennai, Dark masters etc. into the movies and reduce all of them to mere sidecharacters that do "something" and disppear like they will be anything but red herings. Basically many famservice that didn't lead anywhere.
@@TheMetastasia No I feel the same way with Tri. Whenever I look back at Tri I just cringed. From what I heard it was handled by people who weren’t even fans of digimon, but that’s just what I heard I’m not sure if its true. At least Kizuna was handled by the people that worked on Adventure, it at least felt like the old anime even though it’s different
Do we tho kisuna retconed how digimon bonds work so how do we know anything is still going happen same way 02 did back when 02 was made digimon evolved by either acumilating data or by tranfering the emotions of their partners inro energy This film retcons that to give a bs reason to make them didapear which was never suposed to happen
Fantastic vid! Even though I stopped caring about digimon many years ago, I listened to this all the way through with interest. Look forward to seeing more from you 👍
Very Pretty looking with ZERO substance and what there is, is actively Harmful to LORE, Characters, LOGIC, rules that are well established across all of the (insert series here) franchise. Yeah that really is becoming what these "kill the past" movies are.
I would say the Antithesis of this is SHIBUMI. Making a program that responds to what people call childishness but is simply hopes and dreams things that SHOULDN'T die lest we follow them. If anything Kizuna should have left the clock ticking and everything in but changed this one aspect Tai and yamato were listless they lost their dream and thus were losing their partners but overcoming that with their bond would mean just being ABLE to have hope and dreams is good enough. The whole negligence shit is forced as hell so i would remove that shit too.
8:44 it also doesn’t work considering in 02 they showed an adult with a Digimon partner. And a little later they showed the entire cast all grown up 25 years later with children of their own and still have their Digimon partners just fine. I get what the writers were going for but it doesn’t work with the end of 02. I guess even they realized that considering the new 02 movie coming up
to be fair, when I finally watched this movie I didn't feel much emotion knowing that the end of the second season was the true endpoint for the series. And on top of that, the last thing that killed my interest in the movie... ...was digimon adventure 2020. When I heard Agumon tell taichi that digimon can't change on their own, I almost shouted 'bullshit' at the tv screen because Adventure 2020 was filled with examples of the many different ways that digimon can grow and evolve, demonstrated by all the alternate evolutions that show up in that series. And it's topped off with Omegamon telling the defeated villain of adventure 2020 that it shouldn't be bound by neither good or evil in it's next reincarnation, because digimon hold endless potential. So a lot of what Kizuna was trying to tell fell flat for me because of the reboot.
That also is disproven by the X antibody movie correct? In that movie Dorumon managed to evolve on his own. And the game All-Stars Rumble has Digimon evolve without the aid of humans as well.
Although I'm not too familiar with the source material, I must say you have such a great way of presenting your arguement. You explain your point of view without coming across as being condescending or obnoxious. It's an endearing quality, and it makes your videos that much more enjoyable.
I haven't watched this movie beyond a few clips of the final battle because, as you said, it's depressing and 02 proves the ending was pointless anyway. Now instead if the ending had shown that the clock was false, or that reaffirming their bonds fixed it, I would have been more for it.
I think you may have missed something in your artificial digimon argument, in 02 Ken creates Chimairamon from the data of various other digimon, which is somewhat similar to what is discussed in the film. Anyway, even if I seem to me much more dstisfied with the film than you were, I thought this was a pretty good analysis and brought up some points I hadn't thought of before.
Yeah, I didn't want to go over every instance of artificial Digimon since it'd go on forever but Chimeramon is definitely a good example of one since it's from the same continuity. Him and BlackWarGreymon both. Thank you for the input and enjoying the video though, I'm glad that even those who enjoyed the film are able to enjoy my take on it.
I agree a lot with you. But 1 thing you seem to miss is were they show Sora looking at her broken Digivise. And Joe is seen in the hospital working. Just a foot note.
I may need to watch it again, but I took away that growing up too fast will lead you to diminish your child-like potential for life. Even though Tai and Matt were without focus for the future, they were too concerned with the future and missed the opportunity to slow down and remember childhood where "anything is possible". Once again, I may need to watch it again. Also, with the 02 epilogue, I think the point is that people remember the child-like wonder that opens us to the possibilities of life when they have children, which leads to the return of the digimon. What I've said just my opinion, but you did a great job making your points!
Everything ends eventually but just because you do grow up and age it doesn't mean you have to let go, yes you have to change and give up on childish things but I'm 39 but I still play games,watch anime,read manga and comics, and even act childish from time to time you never completely grow up I mean look at the logo I'm using its a character from MTG I used to play that and Yu-Gi-Oh but now (even though I have the cards) can't find no place or one to play and building up my hand eye coronation just to find out that I can now never be a pro gamer (most retire after 35) my dreams every one crushed having to work day labor and barely surviving begging for death everyday if I ever get what I need for it(poison, loaded gun,ect) I would instantly end my life I'm not in a relationship no children and don't want any all I seek is my end
I liked the video and respect your thoughts on it. I do have a few things to say. The story isn’t “you have to grow up and forget the past”, even though that is a line in the film, it’s “it is okay to grow up and leave some childish things behind”. The second is something I had a problem with until I realized this. Them losing their Digimon when they reach their potential rubbed me wrong until 1. I learned 02 was getting this treatment 2. Human potential is NEVER truly met, it keeps growing, which might be explored in the 02 movie
Personally liked the movie but regardless it really feels like this movie needs a dedicated sequel to fix some of the stuff in it. Like have the twist be that the characters only lost their potential because they put themselves in a box and gave up on wanting to be more than they currently were so they can rediscover their potential again later in another movie. Also would have preferred if the final forms at the end had been something more along the lines of biomerge from season 3 than just a regular evolution. As far as the other characters being handled offscreen that was likely only done because of the movie format to keep the pacing. They basically got the same treatment in Our War Game if you recall.
The biggest problem with this movie Main conflict is the 02 Epilog Which is still Cannon so this movie basically doesn't Matter.... The bottom line is this Film going to be render useless, The new movie is going to bring Teach the main characters how to bring their digimon back And then everyone will collectively agree that this movie does not exist just like what happened with tri
I haven't watched the movie in a while but what i got from the movie is that they lost their Digimon because life got in the way. Remember this is Japan we're talking about here, where people can and will work themselves to death. So the idea that culture, growing up and life itself would force them to distance themselves from their Digimon partners and neglect them, essentially it's the same as with the Vpets, Digimon are still fighting tamagotchi, neglecting them will eventually kill them too, makes perfect sense given the context of how life is in Japan. It also doesn't invalidate 02's epilogue, once you get past the turmoil of growing up and you finally settle down (there's also a big IF in finding that luxury of settling down) you will find your inner child again, eventually. If you have kids, your kids will become tamers too, and as they find their own Digimon partners you as a resolved adult will meet your old digimon partner again as well.
It's strange how a lot of people in the comments don't see the movie in a bad light. Even though a lot of things were told in the movie, they still think the message is different. Maybe people interpret the message based on how they felt watching the movie.
well in the end it left out the info were de destined were gathered to form some sort of plan to get teir partners back. I think there will be a continuation after kizuna were they will get the digimon back.
I feel this is something that needs to be praised. I heavily disagree with a lot of things that you said in fact there's not a lot that I agree with at all in your video. But I liked it. I actually want to hear a lot more and before the video ended I actually had to check my phone to see if I accidentally skipped past the whole chunk. I was that interested in hearing what you had to say about the movie. And despite our differences and opinion. I can appreciate this video and really enjoyed hearing your thoughts man
digimon never die truly, that was firmly set in stone from the first season of adventure, it's just that the link to them is lost at the end of last evolution kizuna, meaning they are gone from their human partners for the time being and will be unable to digivolve through that method again. remember that the link to the digidestined don't allow their digimon partners to continue existing, they just grant their partners extra power and guidance and the ability to exist in the human world eventually, plus it is shown at the end of 02 that they do reunite eventually, also they didn't explore where the digimon actually were drawing from through the children. sora actually did show that sora's digivice was stone already and suggested that she already lost biyomon already i'll agree that the rest of the digidestined didn't get enough attention though, they were all sidelined compared to the 2 that have always gotten the most attention
As a decently big fan of Digimon, I can say one thing. On my most previous rewatch of Kizuna. I basically just skipped the whole spy mission bit, then I went to watch it after the fact and I literally said "Wtf why was that section so short-"
Definitely can’t say I agree with you. Good Points made BUT this movie sets up why Digimon stands out from its competitors in similar anime. This hits you with the reality that things DO come to an end it unfortunate but it’s true. Best thing I can think of to compare it to is losing a dog. My dog was my closest friend and there’s no way I could prepare for him to pass but it’s common knowledge that we do outlive our dogs. That doesn’t mean you sit and dwell on it and just prepare for the end. You embrace it and make the relationship count. I know you say “all things are possible” with the series however that’s what would make this series age poorly and nothing would feel as heavy or real if it always ended in sunshine and rainbows.
I haven't seen this movie yet, but I'm already not a fan of its plot nor its ending. I mean, I get that the movie was supposed to be a send off for Taichi and Yamato (Tai and Matt for those of us who grew up watching the English Dub like me) and their partners. However, due to the epilogue of Adventure 02, the ending and message of this film makes no sense whatsoever, to me at least. But again, I haven't seen it yet so I probably don't know what I'm talking about.
Its almost like showing fan service while constantly giving a reminder that no matter how much the "children" try to bring back those good memories/times and even if they have a day or 2 like "the good old days" it will always still end with certain people separating as their needs and responsibilities change, like adulthood. What I got from the movie is that, change happens, whether you want it or not. It can sometimes be good, it can sometimes be horrible. When you change, other things change around you, expected or unexpected, it will happen and that's okay. You can take it in stride or you can hold onto that pain until you feel ready to let go. But you shouldn't let it define you and hold you back.
Hmm, I forgot completely about the ending of Digimon Adventure 02. NOw that I thnk about ti, Kizuna shold not have been made. It cancels out the ending ot digimon adventure 02. The ending there was much better. Including the adult grown 8 chosen ones are still bonded with their partner digimon. Not losing them as Kizuna portrays.
I never watched Digimon Tri , are the digidestined from the second season don’t appear at all? I thought they appeared in the intro as silhouettes getting defeated
I'm glad you said something about this movie because it makes absolutely no logical sense because I'm like okay if this is still supposed to take place in the universe of the Digimon adventure 1 and 2 it contradicts because why would I feel bad about ty and Matt losing their Digimon partners or there's a time frame from losing their Digimon partners when the epilogue of Digimon adventure 2 show the original cast in the '02 cast as adults with their Digimon partners with kids and their kids having Digimon as well so it makes no logical sense. I mean if the message is to grow up and let go of childhood innocence sure that's fine but contradicting the setup of a 20-year-old ending doesn't make logical sense that's why I didn't feel anything when with this movie because I'm just like did people forget about the original franchise that people forget how old to end it we jumped into the future we saw the epilogue we know that ty Matt and the rest of them are with their Digimon partners living their dreams having kids having families with their Digimon partners like ty isn't ambassador and Matt is a astronaut and guess what agumon and gabumon are there with them So why would I feel something for them losing their Digimon partners like you said this was misery p*** just for the hell of it because they wanted to try to get us to feel something and it's the same issue I had with Digimon try how Digimon try just kind of ignored the events of O2 but saying oh they exist but you know nobody went to go look for the O2 cast the O2 cash just went off on their own without TK and Curry it is just too many things from these new adventure One movies and shows that contradicts everything that the original adventure 1 and 02 set up if you're going to do this then you can't break your own canon just for the sake of it It feels like they were just doing this just because hey you guys remember the adventure One cast the most popular cast of all of the Digimon franchises Yeah let's bring them back for no reason whatsoever because nothing they've done told any story honestly I didn't feel anything from the try movies the tribe show or this movie because again I already saw the ending of O2 it's the same issue with Dragon Ball super You're bringing things back into a time period where we already saw the ending for a lot of these characters so to come out of nowhere and try to put misery or try to get us a feel something for these characters after we've already seen their happily ever after makes absolutely no logical sense That's why I couldn't get behind this movie.
The problem with Kizuma is that it gives us the SAME ending the original Adventure had. Which begs the question, what's the point if its just going to give us the SAME ending as the original? The answer is, THERE ISN'T! 1999 Adventure had the entire season build up to the ending, one key difference between the 1st season and all of its subsequent sequels is the fact that the children were TRAPPED in the digital world for most of the show and when they finally got the gate open, they had to leave their friends behind. It was bittersweet, sudden and a perfect way to end the show.. Now that i think about it, isn't the original 1999 ending ALREADY an ending about leaving your friends behind but not forgetting them? Inject the ending with so much young adult angst just makes it crap.
I didn't think of that but you're absolutely right. But it also did it in a nicer way, more in-line with the overall vibe of Digimon. Yeah, the Chosen Children left but at least their friends didn't DIE.
While I have my reservations with certain characters exclusive to these movies they exposit and ultimately hope filled message of not giving up on what you hold dear
The main reason I didn't care for Kizuna was as much as it wanted to pigeon hole the two main into the lives that the show said they had in the epilogue it also ignored the fact that their digimom were shown to be there when they were adults.
Upon watching the film, I too thought that the film was ultimately telling its adult fans who grew up with digimon to just move on and not watch anime like Digimon anymore. I mean they went on to create the reboot to gain a new generation of fans instead. They failed and now are releasing another dark 02 film sequel to Kizuna with tragedy as its theme I suppose. If you ask me the creators themselves need to move on from Adventure property and maybe make a digimon story that carries on the themes of Tamers instead.
I found the film enjoyable to a point. Tho I did feel that it was rushed. Perhaps it should have gone to at least a 2 part movie. As for Tai Chi and Yamato, lose their partners first, because they have no direction. Yet the other characters still have a higher level of creativitiy and inspiration. Joe is a Doctor, Izzy is running his own company, Mimi has an e-commerce operation...hence their minds are still active...hence I feel their partners are still around. I would have liked to have seen the rest of the cast stories be handle on-screen instad of off-screen. I am just content, not happy, that this cherished series got a type of closure.
Except the reasonig for losing them is absolutely the oppsote Tai, Matt and Sora lose theirs first becuase they already settled themselves into just 1 direction which, and that mentality is what leads to their "potential" to reach a limit since they alteady decided "I'm going to do this thing an nothing else matters" At first one would say "But hey! Izzy and specially Joe have always seemed to be fixed on what their goal was, even Joe didn't really want to be a digidestined some times" however both of them managed to further their careers without loosing focus of the world around them and their connection to their digimon, Agumon is pretty surprised at how Tai has changed and how his room is different, showing how their relationship isn't as close as it used to be, meanwhile we see Tentomon and Gomamon are chilling inside their respective partners place of work showing than even if Joe and Izzy are still invested in their "adult" responsibilities they have managed to keep them close and part of their lives While Tai, Matt and Sora failed on that front
@@VGInterviews my overall thought is that maybe Kizuna should not have been made...since I feel the end of Digimon 02 had a good ending already. Kizuna retconned or killed the ending that was tied up nicely at the end of Digimon 02. I fully agree with all ur points btw.
A Peter Pan narrative is fine, leaving behind your childhood is important, but using a Deus ex Machina to force your characters to do so is BS. You should never force a characters actions, the chooses they make is probably the most important part of the story. I say have the Digimon themselves make the decision to leave their humans behind. They leaving behind their rolls as pets to permanently Digivolve as guardians of the Digital World so evil cant keep re-emerging. Use the elements in your fictional world, don't just pull a problem out of your butt.
I must say u have great points and yes concept of digimom leaving was done abit poorly, but I must say i enjoyed the movie and what it does to digimon fans, I just see digimon leaving as a metaphore for friendship. We all had friends that we just had to leav, maybe because we were changing school, or life just happened. I dont see this movie as a sad thing, but as a message that its okey to live your life and enjoy it. Plus u never know when u will see that lost friend again.
Digimon are digital pets and just like real pets no matter how strong a bond you can't force a pet to live forever... You need to cherish time spent with them for it's not infinite
so you actually hit on the thesis of the movie fairly well (giving up on your hope and dreams) but miss it because of the way it delivers it (through Matt and Tai losing there digimon). i believe your nostalgia and bias is clouding your assessment of the film. The ending of film even clearly talks about how they will see them again and you yourself point out how in other series and seasons older people have Digimon. there are ways for them to be reunited. i admit the message of the movie wasn't the strongest it could have been but the movie is a metaphor for depression and giving up. The Ring appears to Tai and Matt because they are basically giving up on there dreams and not doing what they love. you even said how its strange Tai never invited Augmon over to his apartment before. they are moving on without them for mundane boring life. Meanwhile the reason Joe, Izzy and Mimi haven't lost there Digimon is because they are following there dreams and have hope for an infinite future still. Tai and Matt don't know what to do and are just doing what they are told they should do, not following there desires and dreams. Hence why they develop the ring. but we see both with hope in there eyes and drive towards a goal meaning they can and will see there Digimon again
I kind of disagree with your take on the movie. Because at the end to me, at least they showcase that. Yes at that current moment the Digimon are gone. But as the movie is concluding, we see references to the 02 ending of Digimon. Meaning when they become adults, the Digimon will come back it’s just that they need to take time to develop their lives and when they need them they’ll be there.
it's not the end. will continue with at least 2 more films and the director said that the original will always be that of 2 so they will reunite with their digimon
Definitely not a good case of "just another thing that happened inside time skip." Like what in the actual hell led the writer(s) to treat the digital monsters as merely kids' things? Toys to be put away, dropped for the sake of GROWN UP stuff. Imagine treating your childhood friend or your siblings like that just because they exist to be your friend as kid and NOTHING ELSE. It's just wrong. Even if it's fiction. That is why this shit isn't good at all.
Clickbait it's not the end of the series 02's ending is the end of the series of the series it's confirmed as the ending. Does change the movie is flawed no but to say it's the end of the series is disingenuous for sure.
I just saw a different review that was praising the film. I probably have to agree with that other one, this review is more depressing than the movie was...
I would have loved to see a new character, the digidestined of darkness, laughing at the idea of a timer on digimon. He could procceed to smash his own digivice in front of everyone and then make his digimon (devimon) evolve without it, proving how BS that concept is.
I liked how the film went. After all they were always referred to as partners with a chosen purpose. Liking development and potential to the vast evolutions obtainable in all digimon content. I think the disappearing was a bit much, maybe should have just been unable to stay in the real world and their partners can no longer evolve them or access the digital world. Either way it’s an open ending if you want to take 02 as canon or not. But in real life you do lose relationships as you grow up and some relationships fulfill their purpose.
I hear you, but I feel you kind of missed what this film was about. Especially saying the other digi destined were not present is wrong. Sora knew the truth already which was very much presented early on when she didn’t want to fight anymore and enjoy the time she had left with her partner. She aspected what could not be changed as we all do in life. Not everything is a happy ending. We all love each day know that everything will end, but we keep moving forward. Loved ones will die. It was misery porn as you described it. It’s a cold reality that we all keep in the back of our heads. It’s not just about “ growing up”. Also the 02 ending was not considered canon. In fact Tri movies and this was a way to retcon that ending.
This is a good video, but I just dont agree with your points. Their digimon didn't die, they are just gone for a time. It was their last evolution, not their final appearance. It honestly felt more like a we will see you again rather than a goodbye. Especially when both Matt and Tai, go on to say exactly that. Also Sora, Joe, Mimi, and Izzy are shown without their Digimon at different points in the film. It's heavily implied that Sora already knew that Biyomon was going to disappear. That's why we see her choosing to not join the fight and just stay with her digimon. Then we see her clutching the stoned over digivice cheering Matt and Tai on and we dont see Biyomon in that scene. She was the first of the original gang to go through it. Later in the credits we see Izzi, Joe and Mimi all living their respective lives, but we dont see their digimon. Only Kari and TK still have theirs, and the rest of the 02 gang. This movie is centered around Matt and Tai, because they were the defacto leaders of the OG group, but indo agree that I wish we saw more of thr others. Lastly, I really recommend you watch this other video. It helps show just how touching and heartfelt this movie is, especially when you consider the ending of 02. th-cam.com/video/bK3eLxFclm4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LUelNjk75fBWB_co
Hard disagree. I think the message of this film is being misunderstood on a grand scale, despite being pretty overt and in your face. Loss is a natural part of life, and running from it or denying it will only sour the memory of your adventures together. I can understand where this criticism stems from, and it was inevitable with this theme, but i feel like people focus way too much on the climax where Tai and Matt face off against the past versions of their friends and reject living in the past. The movie isn't perfect in its message, but I for one never got the "You're too old for Digimon" takeaway. The whole movie is about grief and loss, which is a different and difficult subject from what Digimon usually goes for. The digimon arent toys, they arent something you can just throw away, they ARE their friends which is why it's so hard when the gang are faced with losing them. This hit very home for me as someone whos known people quite literally on the clock with illness, or has just lost people in general. The plot points could have been better in places, specifically with Izzy, but i'm a firm supporter that the message of this film is very positive and is a solid way to end the franchise. Life will take from you, it wont be fair, but it's still worth it to keep going even if its without some of the people you loved along the way.
I disagree strongly, I feel the end was perfect. As a metaphor for growing up and letting go of the more childish traits of your childhood it works perfectly I feel. We all gotta leave wonderland at some point
You say if partners return that makes Kizuna "pointless" .....so what u say about tri that makes 02 "pointless" too.....the main mystry that the 4 chosen children disappeared from the series and nobody noticed .....isn't Daisuke "Takeru" and "Hikari" classmate and also "Taichi" and "Yamato" junior ....they care for Meiko and don't know Daisuke team .......even when Impeldramon was infected they didn't think that he is their friend ..............but I'm 99% sure that the end is driving to 02 canon ......first thing Taichi is diplomatic and write something about digimons and that was in canon with Agumon....same for Yamato he studies Astronomy and in Canon he is astronomist with Gabumon ..........and I think there will a 25th anversiery for digimon about thier return ....and I wish to see Taimato coperate with Diaken in abrutal battle
based and correct, this movie is a shit cash grab that uses iconic moments all to say youire 20 now youre dog is dying, doesnt matter if you still care about youre friends, youre 20 now, you just dont want your dog anymore...
I think your problem is that you were expecting certain things to happen and then the writers wrote around it. I think that Kizuna has a beautiful message about "letting go of your childhood so you can enjoy your adult hood" as well as "cherish your childhood while you can" are all on theme in terms of digimon. We all expected izzy to save the day with his ideas, tai and matt to overcome the digivice countdown, digidestined group to defeat the hynosis and fight the big bad together with their friendship. Life doesnt work that way. And I think they did a great job. I started watching the series when I was 10 and now I'm 30 so it mirrored my life perfectly.
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Really? I feel like we are watching two different movies. The message I got from the movies were something along the lines of "Life's tough. You could (and for some people, will) lose the spark that you had after you enter adulthood, but don't stop moving, keep trudging along, because one day, you will get your spark back even if it looks to be impossible". A hopeful message, that's what I got from the movie.
Second this, more ppl need to see this.
I dont see that because our potential doesn't end at adult hood the mind is made up of millions of potential an things we can do its not limited
@@blairturner139 it's not about potential though? It's about childish innocence. Most adults lose their childish innocence and became unable to enjoy the little things. That's the "spark" I was talking about.
exactly!
@@hirobhyathat's even more stupid and insulting.
The thing is, Menoa lied, or more specifically projected what she considered the “truth” of what happens when children grow up. The message of Kizuna is that forcing yourself to “grow up” to fit society’s expectations is what is driving the bonds to disappear. The reason why it’s happening to Matt and Tai is because they have also been taking this stance. It is shown early in the movie that they have been emotionally neglecting their partners. Pawning them off to be babysat by their younger siblings, scoffing at the thought of brining them to their classes, and living alone without them.
Agumon himself said, “Are we not needed anymore”
Matt, Tai, and Sora all lose their partners because they closed themselves off in a bid to become an “adult”. They have closed off their limitless possibilities and only look back at their childhood of resigned nostalgia.
The end of the movie ends bittersweet but hopeful. They will meet again after all, they just need to find that spark of wonder again. Their adventure isn’t over, but we the audience have seen their struggles and how they have overcome them already. We can fantasize at what point in their adulthood they get them back, but we don’t really need it.
I like this theory!!
We have another film on the way now featuring the 02 cast. The digimon series has adult Tai working alongside Agumon at the UN so something is probally going to happen to reconnect the partners eventually. Or hey...maybe they do reunite but simply can't digivolve anymore and arnt bound by digivice?
Also,your theory sound good. Okikawa had a partner at HIS age afterall.
This would actually have been an Amazing evil plan for a villain later on in the story, making the digidestined break their bonds on their own and making them vulnerable to get rid of later! Setting up a confrontation with them when they realized growing isn’t about losing that spark for adventure and “potential”- as people can ALWAYS keep changing, growing and shifting. Their dreams. If anything Kizuna prays off of the childish fear of what growing up means, or a very defeatist outlook of adulthood as a role you forever LOCK yourself into once you’ve chosen one.
Yeah I didn't really like when the Video kept calling the idea Misery porn considering the movie ends on an optimistic outlook creating more of a bittersweet ending rather then one that's meant to make people depressed.
On top of that the video mentions the Digi destined not being Present but lets not forget that Our War game also focused mostly on the main 2...Heck it focuses less on Matt
I feel like the digimon 02 cast is far less likely to neglect their digimon, especially Daisuke/Davis, he's already working for his dream in the trailer.
I like the message of the movie, don’t force yourself to grow up just to meet society’s expectations. You’re allowed to love the things that made you happy as a kid, you’re allowed to hang out with your old friends.
Forcing yourself to grow up will only make you unhappy
They can do that without retconing the entire evelution process of digimon
Some people like digimon central got the opposite message?
The movie was well done. They were going somewhere different with it and they did. The next installments will be unique as well. Ghost Game was and a lot of people throw shade at that too. New series' will have different stories/visions.
Yeah the message of the movie was to relate with us. The digidestined that have grown up with the show as a last hoorah before adulthood. The complaints about 02s ending being maybe retconned is so stupid. Y’all act like 02 was Shakespeare
Or we get pokemon dancing around rotting corpse of pikachu and charizard
12:40 Even the second Season establishes one adult Tamer and shows the Cast all grown up. Digimon dying just cause the DigiVice has run out of Power makes zero Sense eighter.
Thats why some writers jumped of on the Story, because it completly ignored established Part of the Worldbuilding.
If anything it would be interesting to see Agumon comming into terms whit Adult Taichi growing old and dying eventually.
i respectfully disagree that just sound over complicated and edgy
@@Gundam_JAY not more then the Premise of that movie^^
@Sunae I again respectfully disagree. I found the movie to be about growing up and accepting that it will happen but it doesn't mean you have to he contempt jn a nepotism centered world. Children are naive and we can grow up looking at our past as cheap nostalgia for a short satisfaction but we can also hold it to heart and learn from our past that naive ideas like "never giving up" can shape a path to rhe careers and dream we want
Yiu shoild know just because some high school kid decided to post this oj the internet doesn't make everything he said true .There are a lot of things I agree and disagree with. For one say what you will about the digimom but they are meant to represent out childhood and even if we don't notice it we DO linger away from things we enjoyed as kids digimon aren't TOYS sure, but are to represent the same feeling as leaving a toy close to u to collect dust on the shelf.
And I find the message not to be "oh ur growing up?? Boo hoo here adulthood and taxes" the movie is about accepting time is gonna change you and u might not hold those old friends so high or swe them as often. But they aren't gone because the adventures you had shaped u into a new person. Short of it... the end of the movie isn't somber because "I will see you again"
@@Gundam_JAY I dispectfully disagree Your Edgy shit of them dying for no reason in Kizuna is down right retarded.
This movie failed to get me invested for two reasons:
- They already did the loss of the partner Digimon before in TRI, where all of the partners get infected with Meicoomon's glitch and need to be reset and lose their memories;
- The ending of 02 already shows that all ends well, with the chosen children being with their partners again.
Because of these reasons, there was no impact for me in the revelation that Taichi and Yamato would lose their Digimon by the end, so I didn't feel much emotional connection at all. It felt cheap
Tri and the ending of 02 is far worse than this movie tbh
@@Deepindigo11 doesn't make this one good
@arthurpprado so? What am saying is tri and 02 ending is far more cheap than this movie
@@Deepindigo11 and I'm saying that Kizuna isn't good either. You were the one who replied to my comment
And the following movie doesnt even acknowledge it at all.
Can’t say I agree. Rather, I saw it as a send off in recognition that nothing stays the same.
Agumon and Taichi’s last conversation beat sums that up, when agumon remarks that taichi is so much bigger now, while taichi responds with Agumon’s lack of change.
In a sense we, the audience, are placed in Taichi’s shoes. We grew up, and it’s time to look forward to other things in life now. Not to say that we should forget about the past, but that we shdnt be held back by it.
If forgetting the past was indeed the message, we wouldn’t have a scene of Yamato and Taichi bawling their eyes out when their partners inevitably disappeared
That is just bull crap. For starters digimon can change too, not to mention completely controdicting 02
I heard that people that created this movie said that it doesn’t contradict the epilogue of 02. The new Movie focusing on the 02 kids. Digimon Adventure 02 : The Beginning. Will probably connect to the epilogue.
I suggest you watch this other video explaining how it doesn't contradict 02. I really think the point of this movie was missed. The name is last Evolution, not Goodbye Digimon.
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When I heard about the supposed ending to LE I'm like nope this isn't my digimon because digimon has always been about hope. So breaking up your tamers and digimon is pointless.
Yeah, I didn't care for that either.
Thank you! This movie is well made, but I really can't get past the core concepts and themes.
Digimon, especially Tamers, is still a huge artistic inspiration of mine. Kizuna's message felt like nothing more than an insult for still caring about art as an adult.
Thank you and yes, that was my biggest issue. It felt like a huge disservice to the longtime fans who... it was made for. Thankfully we still have Digimon content on the horizon to look forward to that won't be so tone deaf!!
For me, it ended when both the 01 and 02 gangs teamed up to fight Diaboromon again.
No, that one doesn't exist... Omnimon was thrown aside in that movie...
I do not understand Kizuna, its a great movie but it felt like it only existed to milk the fans’ tears, why are we crying that Tai and Matt’s Digimons vanished? We know they’re going to be together again in the future. The movie acted like they will never see each other again, also, I noticed how its only Tai, Matt and Sora that lose theirs and not the rest.
Kizuna is weird to me cause, I think its execution is great, its gorgeous, but yeah it felt like they just try to milk the fans’ tears, which I have no idea why some fans acted like 02 ending never existed somehow..
@@Gundam79 Really? Pretty sure I still saw Gomamon and Palmon with their partners in the movie
@@Gundam79 Well that just bad movie direction, something important just happened off screen
Weird I felt like this for Tri. They basically milked the nostalgia. It is obvious that the Animation studio hold on the idea of this 7 movies as 3/4 of the Episodes were random boredom and almost every Plottwist was resolved in the next movie.
The Digimon were all infected? Now they are all reborn. Oh, they don't remember anything? A few episodes later they remember everything.
Tri. throws big names like Ygdrassil and Gennai, Dark masters etc. into the movies and reduce all of them to mere sidecharacters that do "something" and disppear like they will be anything but red herings.
Basically many famservice that didn't lead anywhere.
@@TheMetastasia No I feel the same way with Tri. Whenever I look back at Tri I just cringed. From what I heard it was handled by people who weren’t even fans of digimon, but that’s just what I heard I’m not sure if its true. At least Kizuna was handled by the people that worked on Adventure, it at least felt like the old anime even though it’s different
Do we tho kisuna retconed how digimon bonds work so how do we know anything is still going happen same way 02 did back when 02 was made digimon evolved by either acumilating data or by tranfering the emotions of their partners inro energy
This film retcons that to give a bs reason to make them didapear which was never suposed to happen
I've loved every digimon movie and last evolution is the one that got me the hardest, after losing my wife, my high school love it breaks me even more
Fantastic vid! Even though I stopped caring about digimon many years ago, I listened to this all the way through with interest. Look forward to seeing more from you 👍
So the Last Jedi of digimon movies?
Very Pretty looking with ZERO substance and what there is, is actively Harmful to LORE, Characters, LOGIC, rules that are well established across all of the (insert series here) franchise. Yeah that really is becoming what these "kill the past" movies are.
I would say the Antithesis of this is SHIBUMI. Making a program that responds to what people call childishness but is simply hopes and dreams things that SHOULDN'T die lest we follow them. If anything Kizuna should have left the clock ticking and everything in but changed this one aspect Tai and yamato were listless they lost their dream and thus were losing their partners but overcoming that with their bond would mean just being ABLE to have hope and dreams is good enough. The whole negligence shit is forced as hell so i would remove that shit too.
8:44 it also doesn’t work considering in 02 they showed an adult with a Digimon partner. And a little later they showed the entire cast all grown up 25 years later with children of their own and still have their Digimon partners just fine. I get what the writers were going for but it doesn’t work with the end of 02. I guess even they realized that considering the new 02 movie coming up
to be fair, when I finally watched this movie I didn't feel much emotion knowing that the end of the second season was the true endpoint for the series. And on top of that, the last thing that killed my interest in the movie...
...was digimon adventure 2020.
When I heard Agumon tell taichi that digimon can't change on their own, I almost shouted 'bullshit' at the tv screen because Adventure 2020 was filled with examples of the many different ways that digimon can grow and evolve, demonstrated by all the alternate evolutions that show up in that series. And it's topped off with Omegamon telling the defeated villain of adventure 2020 that it shouldn't be bound by neither good or evil in it's next reincarnation, because digimon hold endless potential.
So a lot of what Kizuna was trying to tell fell flat for me because of the reboot.
That also is disproven by the X antibody movie correct? In that movie Dorumon managed to evolve on his own.
And the game All-Stars Rumble has Digimon evolve without the aid of humans as well.
adventure 02's ending is retconned by this movie. that epilogue was trash anyway so its for the best.
@@DrawciaGleam02 Not canon to this movie
I think you hit the nail right on the head. Introducing a sudden plot feature of the Digimon disappearing ended up making an odd message.
Although I'm not too familiar with the source material, I must say you have such a great way of presenting your arguement. You explain your point of view without coming across as being condescending or obnoxious. It's an endearing quality, and it makes your videos that much more enjoyable.
I haven't watched this movie beyond a few clips of the final battle because, as you said, it's depressing and 02 proves the ending was pointless anyway. Now instead if the ending had shown that the clock was false, or that reaffirming their bonds fixed it, I would have been more for it.
This absolutely needs more views and likes, you put so much effort and care into this review.
I think you may have missed something in your artificial digimon argument, in 02 Ken creates Chimairamon from the data of various other digimon, which is somewhat similar to what is discussed in the film.
Anyway, even if I seem to me much more dstisfied with the film than you were, I thought this was a pretty good analysis and brought up some points I hadn't thought of before.
Yeah, I didn't want to go over every instance of artificial Digimon since it'd go on forever but Chimeramon is definitely a good example of one since it's from the same continuity. Him and BlackWarGreymon both.
Thank you for the input and enjoying the video though, I'm glad that even those who enjoyed the film are able to enjoy my take on it.
I agree a lot with you. But 1 thing you seem to miss is were they show Sora looking at her broken Digivise. And Joe is seen in the hospital working. Just a foot note.
Yes, Sora’s adult life is explored in the “ To Sora” clip.
Oikawa Yukio himself certainly didn't grow up.
I may need to watch it again, but I took away that growing up too fast will lead you to diminish your child-like potential for life. Even though Tai and Matt were without focus for the future, they were too concerned with the future and missed the opportunity to slow down and remember childhood where "anything is possible". Once again, I may need to watch it again.
Also, with the 02 epilogue, I think the point is that people remember the child-like wonder that opens us to the possibilities of life when they have children, which leads to the return of the digimon.
What I've said just my opinion, but you did a great job making your points!
i agree with that
Everything ends eventually but just because you do grow up and age it doesn't mean you have to let go, yes you have to change and give up on childish things but I'm 39 but I still play games,watch anime,read manga and comics, and even act childish from time to time you never completely grow up I mean look at the logo I'm using its a character from MTG I used to play that and Yu-Gi-Oh but now (even though I have the cards) can't find no place or one to play and building up my hand eye coronation just to find out that I can now never be a pro gamer (most retire after 35) my dreams every one crushed having to work day labor and barely surviving begging for death everyday if I ever get what I need for it(poison, loaded gun,ect) I would instantly end my life I'm not in a relationship no children and don't want any all I seek is my end
I liked the video and respect your thoughts on it. I do have a few things to say. The story isn’t “you have to grow up and forget the past”, even though that is a line in the film, it’s “it is okay to grow up and leave some childish things behind”. The second is something I had a problem with until I realized this. Them losing their Digimon when they reach their potential rubbed me wrong until 1. I learned 02 was getting this treatment 2. Human potential is NEVER truly met, it keeps growing, which might be explored in the 02 movie
The new 02 movie is still cannon and therefore the entire story is not over yet. 🤷♂️
Personally liked the movie but regardless it really feels like this movie needs a dedicated sequel to fix some of the stuff in it. Like have the twist be that the characters only lost their potential because they put themselves in a box and gave up on wanting to be more than they currently were so they can rediscover their potential again later in another movie. Also would have preferred if the final forms at the end had been something more along the lines of biomerge from season 3 than just a regular evolution. As far as the other characters being handled offscreen that was likely only done because of the movie format to keep the pacing. They basically got the same treatment in Our War Game if you recall.
Anyone else get jump scared by Amogus 15 minutes in?
The biggest problem with this movie Main conflict is the 02 Epilog Which is still Cannon so this movie basically doesn't Matter....
The bottom line is this Film going to be render useless, The new movie is going to bring Teach the main characters how to bring their digimon back And then everyone will collectively agree that this movie does not exist just like what happened with tri
has it ended though? i think there was another movie in the works and it takes place after Kizuna and focuses on the 02 characters.
I haven't watched the movie in a while but what i got from the movie is that they lost their Digimon because life got in the way.
Remember this is Japan we're talking about here, where people can and will work themselves to death. So the idea that culture, growing up and life itself would force them to distance themselves from their Digimon partners and neglect them, essentially it's the same as with the Vpets, Digimon are still fighting tamagotchi, neglecting them will eventually kill them too, makes perfect sense given the context of how life is in Japan. It also doesn't invalidate 02's epilogue, once you get past the turmoil of growing up and you finally settle down (there's also a big IF in finding that luxury of settling down) you will find your inner child again, eventually. If you have kids, your kids will become tamers too, and as they find their own Digimon partners you as a resolved adult will meet your old digimon partner again as well.
It's strange how a lot of people in the comments don't see the movie in a bad light. Even though a lot of things were told in the movie, they still think the message is different. Maybe people interpret the message based on how they felt watching the movie.
Plus, the movie itself contradicts the Epilogue as Agumon and Gabumon are still around
you're such a natural at all this. keep it up!!
well in the end it left out the info were de destined were gathered to form some sort of plan to get teir partners back. I think there will be a continuation after kizuna were they will get the digimon back.
I feel this is something that needs to be praised. I heavily disagree with a lot of things that you said in fact there's not a lot that I agree with at all in your video. But I liked it. I actually want to hear a lot more and before the video ended I actually had to check my phone to see if I accidentally skipped past the whole chunk. I was that interested in hearing what you had to say about the movie. And despite our differences and opinion. I can appreciate this video and really enjoyed hearing your thoughts man
digimon never die truly, that was firmly set in stone from the first season of adventure, it's just that the link to them is lost at the end of last evolution kizuna, meaning they are gone from their human partners for the time being and will be unable to digivolve through that method again. remember that the link to the digidestined don't allow their digimon partners to continue existing, they just grant their partners extra power and guidance and the ability to exist in the human world eventually, plus it is shown at the end of 02 that they do reunite eventually, also they didn't explore where the digimon actually were drawing from through the children. sora actually did show that sora's digivice was stone already and suggested that she already lost biyomon already
i'll agree that the rest of the digidestined didn't get enough attention though, they were all sidelined compared to the 2 that have always gotten the most attention
you raised some very good points
As a decently big fan of Digimon, I can say one thing. On my most previous rewatch of Kizuna. I basically just skipped the whole spy mission bit, then I went to watch it after the fact and I literally said "Wtf why was that section so short-"
Definitely can’t say I agree with you. Good
Points made BUT this movie sets up why Digimon stands out from its competitors in similar anime. This hits you with the reality that things DO come to an end it unfortunate but it’s true. Best thing I can think of to compare it to is losing a dog. My dog was my closest friend and there’s no way I could prepare for him to pass but it’s common knowledge that we do outlive our dogs. That doesn’t mean you sit and dwell on it and just prepare for the end. You embrace it and make the relationship count. I know you say “all things are possible” with the series however that’s what would make this series age poorly and nothing would feel as heavy or real if it always ended in sunshine and rainbows.
How were the Four Sovereigns still alive?
I haven't seen this movie yet, but I'm already not a fan of its plot nor its ending. I mean, I get that the movie was supposed to be a send off for Taichi and Yamato (Tai and Matt for those of us who grew up watching the English Dub like me) and their partners. However, due to the epilogue of Adventure 02, the ending and message of this film makes no sense whatsoever, to me at least. But again, I haven't seen it yet so I probably don't know what I'm talking about.
Great video man!
Its almost like showing fan service while constantly giving a reminder that no matter how much the "children" try to bring back those good memories/times and even if they have a day or 2 like "the good old days" it will always still end with certain people separating as their needs and responsibilities change, like adulthood.
What I got from the movie is that, change happens, whether you want it or not. It can sometimes be good, it can sometimes be horrible. When you change, other things change around you, expected or unexpected, it will happen and that's okay. You can take it in stride or you can hold onto that pain until you feel ready to let go. But you shouldn't let it define you and hold you back.
I don't fucking believe it....Its just a commenter say
This is the "Last Jedi" of Digimon
HOLY FUCK...........
Kill it if you have too.....
Hmm, I forgot completely about the ending of Digimon Adventure 02. NOw that I thnk about ti, Kizuna shold not have been made. It cancels out the ending ot digimon adventure 02. The ending there was much better. Including the adult grown 8 chosen ones are still bonded with their partner digimon. Not losing them as Kizuna portrays.
"I may not know art, but I know what I like."
The Final Digivoltion is one of the most heartbreaking scenes in the franchise. IT HURTS!😭
I never watched Digimon Tri , are the digidestined from the second season don’t appear at all? I thought they appeared in the intro as silhouettes getting defeated
Yeah they don’t appear in Tri outside of that scene. They’re getting their own movie in the not too distant future.
The ending of this, does not follow up with the epilogue from the end of season 2.
I'm glad you said something about this movie because it makes absolutely no logical sense because I'm like okay if this is still supposed to take place in the universe of the Digimon adventure 1 and 2 it contradicts because why would I feel bad about ty and Matt losing their Digimon partners or there's a time frame from losing their Digimon partners when the epilogue of Digimon adventure 2 show the original cast in the '02 cast as adults with their Digimon partners with kids and their kids having Digimon as well so it makes no logical sense. I mean if the message is to grow up and let go of childhood innocence sure that's fine but contradicting the setup of a 20-year-old ending doesn't make logical sense that's why I didn't feel anything when with this movie because I'm just like did people forget about the original franchise that people forget how old to end it we jumped into the future we saw the epilogue we know that ty Matt and the rest of them are with their Digimon partners living their dreams having kids having families with their Digimon partners like ty isn't ambassador and Matt is a astronaut and guess what agumon and gabumon are there with them So why would I feel something for them losing their Digimon partners like you said this was misery p*** just for the hell of it because they wanted to try to get us to feel something and it's the same issue I had with Digimon try how Digimon try just kind of ignored the events of O2 but saying oh they exist but you know nobody went to go look for the O2 cast the O2 cash just went off on their own without TK and Curry it is just too many things from these new adventure One movies and shows that contradicts everything that the original adventure 1 and 02 set up if you're going to do this then you can't break your own canon just for the sake of it It feels like they were just doing this just because hey you guys remember the adventure One cast the most popular cast of all of the Digimon franchises Yeah let's bring them back for no reason whatsoever because nothing they've done told any story honestly I didn't feel anything from the try movies the tribe show or this movie because again I already saw the ending of O2 it's the same issue with Dragon Ball super You're bringing things back into a time period where we already saw the ending for a lot of these characters so to come out of nowhere and try to put misery or try to get us a feel something for these characters after we've already seen their happily ever after makes absolutely no logical sense That's why I couldn't get behind this movie.
The problem with Kizuma is that it gives us the SAME ending the original Adventure had. Which begs the question, what's the point if its just going to give us the SAME ending as the original? The answer is, THERE ISN'T! 1999 Adventure had the entire season build up to the ending, one key difference between the 1st season and all of its subsequent sequels is the fact that the children were TRAPPED in the digital world for most of the show and when they finally got the gate open, they had to leave their friends behind. It was bittersweet, sudden and a perfect way to end the show.. Now that i think about it, isn't the original 1999 ending ALREADY an ending about leaving your friends behind but not forgetting them? Inject the ending with so much young adult angst just makes it crap.
I didn't think of that but you're absolutely right. But it also did it in a nicer way, more in-line with the overall vibe of Digimon. Yeah, the Chosen Children left but at least their friends didn't DIE.
I didn't too much care for the idea of losing your Digimon in adulthood either.
It’s not really goodbye. It’s just finding the next new world
While I have my reservations with certain characters exclusive to these movies they exposit and ultimately hope filled message of not giving up on what you hold dear
This entire video essay comes from the angle of someone who is still young and immature. For someone who had to mature last kizuna resonated with me.
The main reason I didn't care for Kizuna was as much as it wanted to pigeon hole the two main into the lives that the show said they had in the epilogue it also ignored the fact that their digimom were shown to be there when they were adults.
Upon watching the film, I too thought that the film was ultimately telling its adult fans who grew up with digimon to just move on and not watch anime like Digimon anymore. I mean they went on to create the reboot to gain a new generation of fans instead. They failed and now are releasing another dark 02 film sequel to Kizuna with tragedy as its theme I suppose. If you ask me the creators themselves need to move on from Adventure property and maybe make a digimon story that carries on the themes of Tamers instead.
I found the film enjoyable to a point. Tho I did feel that it was rushed. Perhaps it should have gone to at least a 2 part movie. As for Tai Chi and Yamato, lose their partners first, because they have no direction. Yet the other characters still have a higher level of creativitiy and inspiration. Joe is a Doctor, Izzy is running his own company, Mimi has an e-commerce operation...hence their minds are still active...hence I feel their partners are still around. I would have liked to have seen the rest of the cast stories be handle on-screen instad of off-screen. I am just content, not happy, that this cherished series got a type of closure.
Except the reasonig for losing them is absolutely the oppsote Tai, Matt and Sora lose theirs first becuase they already settled themselves into just 1 direction which, and that mentality is what leads to their "potential" to reach a limit since they alteady decided "I'm going to do this thing an nothing else matters"
At first one would say "But hey! Izzy and specially Joe have always seemed to be fixed on what their goal was, even Joe didn't really want to be a digidestined some times" however both of them managed to further their careers without loosing focus of the world around them and their connection to their digimon, Agumon is pretty surprised at how Tai has changed and how his room is different, showing how their relationship isn't as close as it used to be, meanwhile we see Tentomon and Gomamon are chilling inside their respective partners place of work showing than even if Joe and Izzy are still invested in their "adult" responsibilities they have managed to keep them close and part of their lives
While Tai, Matt and Sora failed on that front
@@VGInterviews my overall thought is that maybe Kizuna should not have been made...since I feel the end of Digimon 02 had a good ending already. Kizuna retconned or killed the ending that was tied up nicely at the end of Digimon 02. I fully agree with all ur points btw.
I think you mean, tai and Matt lol
A Peter Pan narrative is fine, leaving behind your childhood is important, but using a Deus ex Machina to force your characters to do so is BS. You should never force a characters actions, the chooses they make is probably the most important part of the story.
I say have the Digimon themselves make the decision to leave their humans behind. They leaving behind their rolls as pets to permanently Digivolve as guardians of the Digital World so evil cant keep re-emerging. Use the elements in your fictional world, don't just pull a problem out of your butt.
you have to understand that them leaving might not be permanent
im halfway in and i can say kizuna should have been a 3 part series of movies
Ooh, interesting!
Some people praised it for not being a set of movies like tri was though.
I must say u have great points and yes concept of digimom leaving was done abit poorly, but I must say i enjoyed the movie and what it does to digimon fans, I just see digimon leaving as a metaphore for friendship. We all had friends that we just had to leav, maybe because we were changing school, or life just happened. I dont see this movie as a sad thing, but as a message that its okey to live your life and enjoy it. Plus u never know when u will see that lost friend again.
As out of character, boring, and kind of stupid Tri was, id rather watch that a hundred times over
Kizuna was justa stupid forces drama,because Adventure 02 epilogue is the canon final
Digimon are digital pets and just like real pets no matter how strong a bond you can't force a pet to live forever... You need to cherish time spent with them for it's not infinite
Your doubts about Kizuna are similar to the doubts I had about the series finale to the Disney show Amphibia!!
Yeah, although i think for very different reasons
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Oh, you watched that show too?
Yep
The ending felt very contrived, like it was planed from the start and writers had to course correct at the last second
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Considering the drama surrounding true colors, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.
Akira "made stuff up as he went" I'm pretty sure they would call it plagiarism if he didn't make the stuff up.
pedantic but its well known "make stuff up as he went along" is used in contrast to planning the story out carefully years in advance IE gODA.
so you actually hit on the thesis of the movie fairly well (giving up on your hope and dreams) but miss it because of the way it delivers it (through Matt and Tai losing there digimon). i believe your nostalgia and bias is clouding your assessment of the film.
The ending of film even clearly talks about how they will see them again and you yourself point out how in other series and seasons older people have Digimon. there are ways for them to be reunited. i admit the message of the movie wasn't the strongest it could have been but the movie is a metaphor for depression and giving up. The Ring appears to Tai and Matt because they are basically giving up on there dreams and not doing what they love. you even said how its strange Tai never invited Augmon over to his apartment before. they are moving on without them for mundane boring life.
Meanwhile the reason Joe, Izzy and Mimi haven't lost there Digimon is because they are following there dreams and have hope for an infinite future still. Tai and Matt don't know what to do and are just doing what they are told they should do, not following there desires and dreams. Hence why they develop the ring. but we see both with hope in there eyes and drive towards a goal meaning they can and will see there Digimon again
I kind of disagree with your take on the movie. Because at the end to me, at least they showcase that. Yes at that current moment the Digimon are gone. But as the movie is concluding, we see references to the 02 ending of Digimon. Meaning when they become adults, the Digimon will come back it’s just that they need to take time to develop their lives and when they need them they’ll be there.
it's not the end. will continue with at least 2 more films and the director said that the original will always be that of 2 so they will reunite with their digimon
And once again tk and kari ate just used just as extentions to their brothers with nothing of their owen
Definitely not a good case of "just another thing that happened inside time skip." Like what in the actual hell led the writer(s) to treat the digital monsters as merely kids' things? Toys to be put away, dropped for the sake of GROWN UP stuff. Imagine treating your childhood friend or your siblings like that just because they exist to be your friend as kid and NOTHING ELSE. It's just wrong. Even if it's fiction. That is why this shit isn't good at all.
I dunno, the ending is about losing childhood interests in becoming an adult. Maybe it’s not happy, but it reality
This movie is an insult and it retcons the end of 02, also why do these movies have such a hate boner for sora? what did she ever do to anybody?
Clickbait it's not the end of the series 02's ending is the end of the series of the series it's confirmed as the ending. Does change the movie is flawed no but to say it's the end of the series is disingenuous for sure.
Yeah you forgot the TV spot for this movie it was marketed as THE END of adventure for good after TRI bombed hard.
The writers really saw it was for adult fans and made the message of the movie "you need to grow up" 😂 wtf
I just saw a different review that was praising the film. I probably have to agree with that other one, this review is more depressing than the movie was...
I would have loved to see a new character, the digidestined of darkness, laughing at the idea of a timer on digimon. He could procceed to smash his own digivice in front of everyone and then make his digimon (devimon) evolve without it, proving how BS that concept is.
Ask Nintendo.
I liked how the film went. After all they were always referred to as partners with a chosen purpose. Liking development and potential to the vast evolutions obtainable in all digimon content. I think the disappearing was a bit much, maybe should have just been unable to stay in the real world and their partners can no longer evolve them or access the digital world. Either way it’s an open ending if you want to take 02 as canon or not. But in real life you do lose relationships as you grow up and some relationships fulfill their purpose.
Yeah I thought not having the digivices work anymore would have been fine.
Tri series and their movies are a joke, is depressing, is like they dont want the old fanbase around anymore
l think this guy is one of those that cant let go XD
I hear you, but I feel you kind of missed what this film was about. Especially saying the other digi destined were not present is wrong. Sora knew the truth already which was very much presented early on when she didn’t want to fight anymore and enjoy the time she had left with her partner. She aspected what could not be changed as we all do in life. Not everything is a happy ending. We all love each day know that everything will end, but we keep moving forward. Loved ones will die. It was misery porn as you described it. It’s a cold reality that we all keep in the back of our heads.
It’s not just about “ growing up”. Also the 02 ending was not considered canon. In fact Tri movies and this was a way to retcon that ending.
This is a good video, but I just dont agree with your points. Their digimon didn't die, they are just gone for a time. It was their last evolution, not their final appearance. It honestly felt more like a we will see you again rather than a goodbye. Especially when both Matt and Tai, go on to say exactly that.
Also Sora, Joe, Mimi, and Izzy are shown without their Digimon at different points in the film. It's heavily implied that Sora already knew that Biyomon was going to disappear. That's why we see her choosing to not join the fight and just stay with her digimon. Then we see her clutching the stoned over digivice cheering Matt and Tai on and we dont see Biyomon in that scene. She was the first of the original gang to go through it. Later in the credits we see Izzi, Joe and Mimi all living their respective lives, but we dont see their digimon. Only Kari and TK still have theirs, and the rest of the 02 gang. This movie is centered around Matt and Tai, because they were the defacto leaders of the OG group, but indo agree that I wish we saw more of thr others.
Lastly, I really recommend you watch this other video. It helps show just how touching and heartfelt this movie is, especially when you consider the ending of 02.
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Hard disagree. I think the message of this film is being misunderstood on a grand scale, despite being pretty overt and in your face. Loss is a natural part of life, and running from it or denying it will only sour the memory of your adventures together. I can understand where this criticism stems from, and it was inevitable with this theme, but i feel like people focus way too much on the climax where Tai and Matt face off against the past versions of their friends and reject living in the past. The movie isn't perfect in its message, but I for one never got the "You're too old for Digimon" takeaway. The whole movie is about grief and loss, which is a different and difficult subject from what Digimon usually goes for. The digimon arent toys, they arent something you can just throw away, they ARE their friends which is why it's so hard when the gang are faced with losing them. This hit very home for me as someone whos known people quite literally on the clock with illness, or has just lost people in general. The plot points could have been better in places, specifically with Izzy, but i'm a firm supporter that the message of this film is very positive and is a solid way to end the franchise. Life will take from you, it wont be fair, but it's still worth it to keep going even if its without some of the people you loved along the way.
Their digimon left because there was nothing left for the children to learn.
I respectfuly completely disagree. I find Last Evolution Kizuna to be a msterpiece and it is not the end of the series.
You're wrong but I mean you're entitled to that opinion
I disagree strongly, I feel the end was perfect. As a metaphor for growing up and letting go of the more childish traits of your childhood it works perfectly I feel. We all gotta leave wonderland at some point
You say if partners return that makes Kizuna "pointless" .....so what u say about tri that makes 02 "pointless" too.....the main mystry that the 4 chosen children disappeared from the series and nobody noticed .....isn't Daisuke "Takeru" and "Hikari" classmate and also "Taichi" and "Yamato" junior ....they care for Meiko and don't know Daisuke team .......even when Impeldramon was infected they didn't think that he is their friend ..............but I'm 99% sure that the end is driving to 02 canon ......first thing Taichi is diplomatic and write something about digimons and that was in canon with Agumon....same for Yamato he studies Astronomy and in Canon he is astronomist with Gabumon ..........and I think there will a 25th anversiery for digimon about thier return ....and I wish to see Taimato coperate with Diaken in abrutal battle
based and correct, this movie is a shit cash grab that uses iconic moments all to say youire 20 now youre dog is dying, doesnt matter if you still care about youre friends, youre 20 now, you just dont want your dog anymore...
Disagree
I think your problem is that you were expecting certain things to happen and then the writers wrote around it. I think that Kizuna has a beautiful message about "letting go of your childhood so you can enjoy your adult hood" as well as "cherish your childhood while you can" are all on theme in terms of digimon. We all expected izzy to save the day with his ideas, tai and matt to overcome the digivice countdown, digidestined group to defeat the hynosis and fight the big bad together with their friendship. Life doesnt work that way. And I think they did a great job. I started watching the series when I was 10 and now I'm 30 so it mirrored my life perfectly.
so lets just scrap the epilogue that is canon for EDGY pop culture "Kill the past" propaganda?
@@snintendog lol is that what I said?
@@NightWrencher yes i havent seen such EDGE since the 00s where hot topic was everywhere in school.