You'll notice that those who are arguing for the Trinity/Twinity in the comments below just throw other "proof texts" at us but fail to address the evidence presented in this video proving that their cherished John 20:28 proof text isn't proof at all. This tactic is typical of people who have no real foundation for their belief, so they just ignore anything that contradicts it, and keep hurling cherries they've picked from Scripture at the wall hoping that one of them sticks.
Love the illustration ❤ And your pinned comment is spot on- we simply cannot cherry pick "proof texts", stringing along a group of verses and say "See, Jesus is Jehovah " like Ive had so many try to do to me. The so called proof texts are nothing of the sort if taken out of their context and forced into a pre-conceived interpretation. Well done as always my precious brother ❤️
I had thought of this same illustration quite awhile back and couldn’t agree with you more! But just recently in doing research in the Bible about when Jesus started ruling as King I think the Bible clear states that he began ruling as King when he sat down on the right hand of God… “But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said: “Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet”? Hebrews 13:1 “For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet”. 1 Cor 15:25 “And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth”. Matt 28:18 So in your illustration the King is God almighty Jehovah and the prince is Jesus. The prince never assumes the role and authority of the King unless the King is temporarily away in which the prince becomes the stand in King until the King returns. From the scriptures it seems that Jesus was given all authority over Heaven and Earth after his reelection and Ascension to heaven when he sat down at the right hand of God since he bought mankind through payment by means of the ransom sacrifice he made. So could Jesus be our temporary God and high priest until he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father at the end ?? “Next, the end, when he (Jesus) hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone” 1 Cor. 15:24-28 After all Jesus is our mediator between us and our God and Father, a temporary stand if you will as King/God. Would love to have your thoughts on this to further refine my proper view of Jesus and his role at this time in history. Thanks 😊
'He (Jesus) gave no thought to a seizure, namely that he should be equal to GOD...but emptied himself and took a slaves form... and and was obedient as far as death yes death on a torture stake...so that...every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of GOD the Father.' Php 2: 5-11 [NWT1984]
Jesús also was Jehovah’s worshiper and call him my God. (John 20:17; Apocalipsis 3:2) Now the idea Jesús is god is ok bc Jesús explained he is god but not in the mean to take his father’s place (John10:34) Jesús tought us to worship the father
I personally like your pronunciation of God's name as "Yehova". That is how the Hungarian language pronounces it. To me it seems to be closer to YHWH than the English translation. (Just my personal take.)
What was the ‘word’ before it became flesh in Jesus ? I do not believe it was Michael the angel. One way of considering this is that a word leaves a persons mouth to achieve or communicate something. it is the very essence and representation of that person but in a form that can be understood. If God spoke i. the OT then it was the word of God, same applies to Jesus, Divine. I think the trinity/non trinity arguments are a trick from Satan to divide those who honestly want to follow the Christ.
That is why it is so hard for JW's to understand the Trinity, they think "but how can Jesus be Jehovah, how can he be the Father?" . And that is also why Jesus did not come out and say plainly "I am God" because the Jews would have understood he was saying "I am the Father", so he said "I and the Father are One". The Trinity is visible all over the OT
@ouh I wasn't calling you a liar. I was saying you are expressing an opiniont that is a lie. It is someone else's lie. You didn't make it up. I've heard it often. But it is still a lie. Perhaps you've been fooled as many have because you trust the people who have been lying to you. The fact that you ask me for proof that Yehovah is the only Father, and Jesus is not Yehovah, without presenting any proof yourself shows me that you're just one of the many who've been dupped. Look for the proof so support the claims you've been taught and if you can't find it, come back and we'll talk.
@@BeroeanPickets i believe im commenting under your video not the other way around so you made the first assertion but nevermind. Do you believe Jesus was created?
As usual i disagree with you interpretation.If Jesus is not God then he is a created being.You cannot have it both ways.If he is not in essence God then Christians are idol worshippers.Any worship we give to an uncreated being is blasphemy!!
Looks like the last ditch effort of Trinity lovers to keep Gods children chasing ghosts. Get them confused and exhausted. The Bible is so simple explaining who God is and who his son is. Keep them chasing another made up reality. Stick to the simple facts:father son and you will be ok.
I've never known a trinitarian to say "Jesus is God but not God Almighty." That's the weak JW rebuttal to Isaiah 9:6. This entire video is debunking a strawman. Are you really unfamiliar with the distinction between the ontological Trinity and the economic Trinity? Jesus is God in essence, ontologically identical to the Father. The exact representation of His very being. God's being is infinite, eternal, uncreated. That's what makes God God. And what God is the Word is.
@@BeroeanPickets I think I know where the rub is: We know Jesus is not God and not Jehovah, but I do believe that Jesus is divine, I will tell you what I mean later. But first, the problem is Beroean Pickets you have told us who Jesus is not. OK make a video investigating who you think Jesus is. That will clear the confusion and misunderstandings a lot. It is a big job because to tell you the truth, I am still investigating that. Thank you much
Bonjour Monsieur Eric. Je ne suis pas d'accord avec votre application. Reprenons votre excellent exemple sur le roi Charles et le l'héritier William. Je suis d'accord avec vous que Dieu le Père c'est le roi Charles dans votre exemple et Jésus l'héritier. Comme vous le dites, William ne cherches pas à usuper son père comme Jésus non plus. Là dessus nous sommes d'accord. William par contre lors de déplacement à l'étranger représente son Père et on lui accorde l'honneur comme si c'était le roi ! Il en est de même pour Jésus. Jésus est présenté comme le Fils de Dieu, il a la même nature divine que son Père. C'est ce que croivent les trinitaires aussi ! Enfin, William mérite aussi les honneurs car il est l'héritier ! Ce que n'aura pas les autres membres de la famille royale. Nous n'avons pas la même compréhension des versets bibliques. Je ne me batterai pas avec vous sur un débat stérile. La seule chose que je trouve dommage c'est de traiter ceux qui ne sont pas d'accord avec vous de *faux" croyants. Personnellement, voici ma conclusion : je ne fréquenterai pas d'anciens témoin de Jéhovah (surtout ceux qui ont exercé la fonction d'anciens), car je trouve que beaucoup d'ex tj ont conservé une mentalité orgueilleuse de croire qu'ils comprennent mieux que les autres. Personnellement, les chrétiens que je fréquente, je ne retrouve pas cette mentalité hautaine et orgueilleuse qui puisse avoir chez les témoins de Jéhovah et les ex tj. C'est mon avis personnel et c'est mon constat. Je préfère fréquenté des chrétiens humble que des chrétiens qui pensent qu'il n'y a que eux qui comprennent tout. Je vous souhaite donc une bonne étude de la parole de Dieu. Personnellement, j'ai vu de très nombreux "anciens" témoin de Jéhovah qui étaient très arrogant et qui faisait beaucoup de mal. Vous avez été "ancien", la wachtower vous a appris à être orgueilleux et à traiter de manière très méchante les autres. J'ai vécu et vu beaucoup de mauvais comportements de la part de beaucoup d'anciens chez les témoins de Jéhovah. Je pense que cela fait partie de notre vécu dans cette organisation religieuse. Que nous conservons encore des traces de cette mentalité de Pharisiens ! C'est mon avis personnel. C'est mon ressenti.
@JeremieWisniewski-deCerisiers L'exemple que vous présentez n'est pas ce que croient les Trinitaires. Si c'était le cas, je n'aurais aucun problème avec leur croyance. Ils croient que Jésus est Dieu, que Yehovah est Dieu et que le Saint-Esprit est Dieu, non pas de manière représentative, mais pleinement.
@BeroeanPickets l'exemple que je prends est réellement ce que croient les trinitaires... L'église dont je suis aujourd'hui membre est une église qui croit en la Trinité. La Trinité est présenté comme je l'ai indiqué. Jésus a la nature divine comme le père est divin.
La vérité est contenue dans la Bible. La bible nous indique qu'elle est vivante la parole. Nous sommes actuellement imparfait, nous avons encore en nous le péché... Je suis pêcheur monsieur Éric (comme vous aussi). Actuellement nous ne comprenons pas tout. Ce n'est pas parce que nous avons des compréhension différentes sur certains versets que nous ne sommes pas individuellement des enfants de Dieu. Aujourd'hui, ma compréhension de la Bible me fait comprendre qu'il y a des enfants de Dieu peu importe l'église que nous fréquentons. Que chaque chrétien devrait être un étudiant assidu de la Bible et vérifier toutes choses dans les écritures. Que certains versets laissent plusieurs possibilités. Du moment que l'on s'appuie sur la Bible et que les versets ne sont pas claires, je pense que nous saurons complètement lorsque nous serons parfait. Lorsque nous serons parfait alors nous comprendrons complètement. En attendant, il nous faut demander l'aide de Dieu pour comprendre sa Parole. J'attends le retour du Seigneur Jésus comme l'indique apocalypse
@JeremieWisniewski-deCerisiers Je suis désolé, mais vous ne pouvez pas changer le sens de la trinité et continuer à l'appeler la trinité. Le fait est que Jésus n'est pas Dieu. Il est divin, c'est un dieu, mais pas "le seul vrai Dieu". (Jean 17:3)
@BeroeanPickets nous ne sommes donc pas d'accord sur ce que signifie être divin... S'il est divin, c'est qu'il est Dieu... Un couple, c'est l'union d'un homme et d'une femme. Ils sont différents et pourtant ils possèdent la même nature, la nature humaine. Pourtant il n'y a pas deux couples, mais un couple. Il en est de même pour Dieu
You'll notice that those who are arguing for the Trinity/Twinity in the comments below just throw other "proof texts" at us but fail to address the evidence presented in this video proving that their cherished John 20:28 proof text isn't proof at all. This tactic is typical of people who have no real foundation for their belief, so they just ignore anything that contradicts it, and keep hurling cherries they've picked from Scripture at the wall hoping that one of them sticks.
Thank you Erik, very well explained, thank you for your effort, it's quite simple to understand.
Thank you for turning away from false religion and staying true to YAH and teaching the real Truth!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the excellent video and the giving of your time Eric.
Excellent illustration Eric 🥰
Love the illustration ❤ And your pinned comment is spot on- we simply cannot cherry pick "proof texts", stringing along a group of verses and say "See, Jesus is Jehovah " like Ive had so many try to do to me. The so called proof texts are nothing of the sort if taken out of their context and forced into a pre-conceived interpretation. Well done as always my precious brother ❤️
I had thought of this same illustration quite awhile back and couldn’t agree with you more! But just recently in doing research in the Bible about when Jesus started ruling as King I think the Bible clear states that he began ruling as King when he sat down on the right hand of God…
“But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said: “Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet”? Hebrews 13:1
“For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet”. 1 Cor 15:25
“And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth”. Matt 28:18
So in your illustration the King is God almighty Jehovah and the prince is Jesus. The prince never assumes the role and authority of the King unless the King is temporarily away in which the prince becomes the stand in King until the King returns. From the scriptures it seems that Jesus was given all authority over Heaven and Earth after his reelection and Ascension to heaven when he sat down at the right hand of God since he bought mankind through payment by means of the ransom sacrifice he made. So could Jesus be our temporary God and high priest until he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father at the end ??
“Next, the end, when he (Jesus) hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone” 1 Cor. 15:24-28
After all Jesus is our mediator between us and our God and Father, a temporary stand if you will as King/God. Would love to have your thoughts on this to further refine my proper view of Jesus and his role at this time in history. Thanks 😊
'He (Jesus) gave no thought to a seizure, namely that he should be equal to GOD...but emptied himself and took a slaves form... and and was obedient as far as death yes death on a torture stake...so that...every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of GOD the Father.' Php 2: 5-11 [NWT1984]
@aiercooledengine - Thank you for sharing that important scripture, brother!
Jesús also was Jehovah’s worshiper and call him my God. (John 20:17; Apocalipsis 3:2) Now the idea Jesús is god is ok bc Jesús explained he is god but not in the mean to take his father’s place (John10:34) Jesús tought us to worship the father
VERY WELL EXPLAINED !! 😉👌
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@akatheheretic3014- Thank you so very much. 💛
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I personally like your pronunciation of God's name as "Yehova". That is how the Hungarian language pronounces it. To me it seems to be closer to YHWH than the English translation. (Just my personal take.)
What was the ‘word’ before it became flesh in Jesus ? I do not believe it was Michael the angel. One way of considering this is that a word leaves a persons mouth to achieve or communicate something. it is the very essence and representation of that person but in a form that can be understood. If God spoke i. the OT then it was the word of God, same applies to Jesus, Divine. I think the trinity/non trinity arguments are a trick from Satan to divide those who honestly want to follow the Christ.
It's not both Jehovah and Jesus are God, Jehovah is God's name, the Father and Jesus are Jehovah. You use Jehovah as it being only the Father's name
That is why it is so hard for JW's to understand the Trinity, they think "but how can Jesus be Jehovah, how can he be the Father?" . And that is also why Jesus did not come out and say plainly "I am God" because the Jews would have understood he was saying "I am the Father", so he said "I and the Father are One". The Trinity is visible all over the OT
@ouh You are expressing an opinion which is less than worthless because it is a lie.
@@BeroeanPickets prove Jehovah is only the Father, show it from the Bible instead of saying im a liar
@ouh I wasn't calling you a liar. I was saying you are expressing an opiniont that is a lie. It is someone else's lie. You didn't make it up. I've heard it often. But it is still a lie. Perhaps you've been fooled as many have because you trust the people who have been lying to you. The fact that you ask me for proof that Yehovah is the only Father, and Jesus is not Yehovah, without presenting any proof yourself shows me that you're just one of the many who've been dupped. Look for the proof so support the claims you've been taught and if you can't find it, come back and we'll talk.
@@BeroeanPickets i believe im commenting under your video not the other way around so you made the first assertion but nevermind. Do you believe Jesus was created?
As usual i disagree with you interpretation.If Jesus is not God then he is a created being.You cannot have it both ways.If he is not in essence God then Christians are idol worshippers.Any worship we give to an uncreated being is blasphemy!!
Looks like the last ditch effort of Trinity lovers to keep Gods children chasing ghosts. Get them confused and exhausted. The Bible is so simple explaining who God is and who his son is. Keep them chasing another made up reality. Stick to the simple facts:father son and you will be ok.
I've never known a trinitarian to say "Jesus is God but not God Almighty." That's the weak JW rebuttal to Isaiah 9:6. This entire video is debunking a strawman. Are you really unfamiliar with the distinction between the ontological Trinity and the economic Trinity?
Jesus is God in essence, ontologically identical to the Father. The exact representation of His very being. God's being is infinite, eternal, uncreated. That's what makes God God. And what God is the Word is.
It is the Twinitarians, exJWs who go partway to believing the Trinity who claim that Jesus is God, but not God Almighty.
@@BeroeanPickets I think I know where the rub is: We know Jesus is not God and not Jehovah, but I do believe that Jesus is divine, I will tell you what I mean later. But first, the problem is Beroean Pickets you have told us who Jesus is not. OK make a video investigating who you think Jesus is. That will clear the confusion and misunderstandings a lot. It is a big job because to tell you the truth, I am still investigating that. Thank you much
Bonjour Monsieur Eric. Je ne suis pas d'accord avec votre application. Reprenons votre excellent exemple sur le roi Charles et le l'héritier William. Je suis d'accord avec vous que Dieu le Père c'est le roi Charles dans votre exemple et Jésus l'héritier. Comme vous le dites, William ne cherches pas à usuper son père comme Jésus non plus. Là dessus nous sommes d'accord. William par contre lors de déplacement à l'étranger représente son Père et on lui accorde l'honneur comme si c'était le roi ! Il en est de même pour Jésus. Jésus est présenté comme le Fils de Dieu, il a la même nature divine que son Père. C'est ce que croivent les trinitaires aussi ! Enfin, William mérite aussi les honneurs car il est l'héritier ! Ce que n'aura pas les autres membres de la famille royale.
Nous n'avons pas la même compréhension des versets bibliques. Je ne me batterai pas avec vous sur un débat stérile.
La seule chose que je trouve dommage c'est de traiter ceux qui ne sont pas d'accord avec vous de *faux" croyants.
Personnellement, voici ma conclusion : je ne fréquenterai pas d'anciens témoin de Jéhovah (surtout ceux qui ont exercé la fonction d'anciens), car je trouve que beaucoup d'ex tj ont conservé une mentalité orgueilleuse de croire qu'ils comprennent mieux que les autres. Personnellement, les chrétiens que je fréquente, je ne retrouve pas cette mentalité hautaine et orgueilleuse qui puisse avoir chez les témoins de Jéhovah et les ex tj. C'est mon avis personnel et c'est mon constat. Je préfère fréquenté des chrétiens humble que des chrétiens qui pensent qu'il n'y a que eux qui comprennent tout.
Je vous souhaite donc une bonne étude de la parole de Dieu.
Personnellement, j'ai vu de très nombreux "anciens" témoin de Jéhovah qui étaient très arrogant et qui faisait beaucoup de mal. Vous avez été "ancien", la wachtower vous a appris à être orgueilleux et à traiter de manière très méchante les autres. J'ai vécu et vu beaucoup de mauvais comportements de la part de beaucoup d'anciens chez les témoins de Jéhovah. Je pense que cela fait partie de notre vécu dans cette organisation religieuse. Que nous conservons encore des traces de cette mentalité de Pharisiens ! C'est mon avis personnel. C'est mon ressenti.
@JeremieWisniewski-deCerisiers L'exemple que vous présentez n'est pas ce que croient les Trinitaires. Si c'était le cas, je n'aurais aucun problème avec leur croyance. Ils croient que Jésus est Dieu, que Yehovah est Dieu et que le Saint-Esprit est Dieu, non pas de manière représentative, mais pleinement.
@BeroeanPickets l'exemple que je prends est réellement ce que croient les trinitaires... L'église dont je suis aujourd'hui membre est une église qui croit en la Trinité. La Trinité est présenté comme je l'ai indiqué. Jésus a la nature divine comme le père est divin.
La vérité est contenue dans la Bible. La bible nous indique qu'elle est vivante la parole.
Nous sommes actuellement imparfait, nous avons encore en nous le péché... Je suis pêcheur monsieur Éric (comme vous aussi). Actuellement nous ne comprenons pas tout. Ce n'est pas parce que nous avons des compréhension différentes sur certains versets que nous ne sommes pas individuellement des enfants de Dieu. Aujourd'hui, ma compréhension de la Bible me fait comprendre qu'il y a des enfants de Dieu peu importe l'église que nous fréquentons. Que chaque chrétien devrait être un étudiant assidu de la Bible et vérifier toutes choses dans les écritures. Que certains versets laissent plusieurs possibilités. Du moment que l'on s'appuie sur la Bible et que les versets ne sont pas claires, je pense que nous saurons complètement lorsque nous serons parfait. Lorsque nous serons parfait alors nous comprendrons complètement. En attendant, il nous faut demander l'aide de Dieu pour comprendre sa Parole. J'attends le retour du Seigneur Jésus comme l'indique apocalypse
@JeremieWisniewski-deCerisiers Je suis désolé, mais vous ne pouvez pas changer le sens de la trinité et continuer à l'appeler la trinité. Le fait est que Jésus n'est pas Dieu. Il est divin, c'est un dieu, mais pas "le seul vrai Dieu". (Jean 17:3)
@BeroeanPickets nous ne sommes donc pas d'accord sur ce que signifie être divin... S'il est divin, c'est qu'il est Dieu... Un couple, c'est l'union d'un homme et d'une femme. Ils sont différents et pourtant ils possèdent la même nature, la nature humaine. Pourtant il n'y a pas deux couples, mais un couple. Il en est de même pour Dieu