You'll notice that those who are arguing for the Trinity/Twinity in the comments below just throw other "proof texts" at us but fail to address the evidence presented in this video proving that their cherished John 20:28 proof text isn't proof at all. This tactic is typical of people who have no real foundation for their belief, so they just ignore anything that contradicts it, and keep hurling cherries they've picked from Scripture at the wall hoping that one of them sticks.
💯 Well done. This point will stick with me: When Jesus said to Peter (Mt 16:17): "It was revealed to you by God" helped me understand why many refuse to see plain, simple truth! We should keep those words in mind and not get flustered by trying to make a seed grow when only God can make it grow. Thank you so much for your numerous clear discussions.
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Thank you my brother in Christ it's always a pleasure to hear you speak about the deeper things in God's, word ,please keep up the good work I look forward to hearing you speak every week.
Thomas was recognizing that it was the Father (God) working through Jesus (Lord). That to see Jesus was to also see the Father. Hence why Jesus would always say his words were no his own and that it was the Father speaking through him.
Can’t believe people are resting their Trinity hope on a few words that doubting Thomas said. Only the words that come out of Jesus’s mouth are certifiable. Even today when we are hit with a shocking revelation we say: oh my god! He was expressing shock about his lord and also the God in heaven.
It’s hard to believe that this is still an issue among believers. People are just going to believe what they want to believe and not the truth. Good job Eric. Hope you and Wendy are doing well.🙏
@@BeroeanPickets Jesus Christ is the fullness of the Godhead bodily. HE is literally the body of GOD The FATHER. God in the flesh. John 14:8-9 King James Version 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
@@Starbuckin If that's the case, why did Jesus call the Father his God and say that he was going to the Father? Do you think that maybe, just maybe, he wasn't speaking literally. You know, he was a smart guy. He could use metaphor. You know, metaphor??
@@BeroeanPickets Hebrews 1:8 says, "But about the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom'". The father calls Jesus God. Sometimes what God says doesn’t makes sense to the human mind. Like how we accept God lives outside time and space, is omnipresent and has no beginning. Those are beyond human comprehension too, but I assume you accept it.
@@Alittle06 no he doesn’t. If so, then the human king in psalm 45 (which is quoted in Hebrews) is also God. It’s nonsense . Psalm 45:6 Your throne, O God,[a] will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
That phrase "My Lord and my God" in John 20:28 is referenced in Psalm 35:23 where David says the same phrase but in reverse "God and my Lord". This leads me to conclude that Thomas was referring to the God of Israel and not to Jesus as his God and Lord. True, he said it to Jesus, but also in Matthew 16:23 Jesus said to Peter "Get thee behind me, Satan". Therefore, just as Thomas was not referring to Jesus, neither was Jesus referring to Peter.
Thanks Eric for your time and video, this is only my thoughts, when going back to Papyrus 66 and taking a look at John 20:17, Jesus stated " God my" and God of you all. Thus telling me that Jesus's God was the same God as the Peoples God, not some trinitarian idea. Just as John 1:1 doesn't use the word "word" it uses "message" . The last part of John 1:1 states " the message was God" not stating as all have become accustomed to reading "the word was "a" God".
Couldn’t this have just been an exclamation out of shock rather than a direct statement being addressed to Jesus? The guy doubted Jesus had resurrected and when he sees him he exclaims out of shock.
In the New Testament, the only instance where Jesus is directly addressed using the nominative form of κύριος (as opposed to the vocative κύριε) occurs in Thomas’ exclamation in John 20:28: “My Lord and my God” (Ὁ Κύριός μου καὶ ὁ Θεός μου).
It is interesting how trinitarians will try to use grammar to prove their point when it seems convenient, yet shy away from it when it isn't convenient, such as the case of John 1:1 and John 8:58.
John 14:9 Jesus said unto him, “Have I been so long a time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’? If you see Jesus you see the father. Thomas believed and understood this and was addressing two persons when he said my lord and my God.
You are exactly correct. Thomas was recognizing that it was the Father (God) working through Jesus (Lord). Hence why Jesus would always say his words were no his own and that it was the father speaking through him.
Could you please give me the link to the TH-cam about why you're pronouncing Jehovah with a Y Just want to learn more about the names of God Thank you for all you do❤❤❤❤
@TheresaStiffler - I'm preparing a video to fully explain that, but for now, when the name was first coined as an English translation, the letter J was pronounced like Y is now, so I prefer using a letter that more closely approximates the original pronounciation.
@exjwcareerhelp7493 - The word “God” in Hebrews 1:8 is translated from the Greek word theos, which can be translated either as 'God' or as 'god'. To translate theos, when referring to Jesus, as 'God' is based on the assumption that Jesus is the Most High God. It is an application of the Trinity doctrine; not proof thereof.
@@dolorescunningham4816those two verses are self explanatory. Nobody is calling Jesus “God”. The WHOLE book of Hebrews shows clearly why Jesus is not God. Read it. And then read it again. Understand the context, and the language, and the translation of that language.
@@dolorescunningham4816hebrews 1:8 is a quote from psalm 45:6 which reads: Your throne, O God,[a] will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. Psalm 45 is about a human king. If you conclude that Hebrews 1:8 is calling Jesus God almighty you must also logically conclude that the human king is God almighty. He isn’t. It’s nonsense. This is a very bad trinitarian translation. It is not the father speaking in hebrews. It is the author speaking about the son. The original text does not say “he says”. The text is about Jesus sitting down on Gods throne. Rev 3:21 To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne. Further see Hebrews 1:9 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[a] Does God almighty have a God? No - it does not make any sense.
God is a spirit and we worship in spirit and truth. When Jesus was baptized God's spirit fully manifested into him. At Pentecost God's spirit was put into each disciple. As Acts 2:38 says if we Repent, are baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins, we will be filled with God's holy spirit. Jesus stated that he and the father are one which does not mean he is God or that he is a trinity of God's. God's spirit is in Jesus and he speaks as God because God's word is in him. Thomas recognised that Jesus is lord and the holy spirit in him is God. Jesus never said he was God. He is the son of man and son of God. We kneel to our king and we worship the holy spirit (God) who is in Jesus. What Thomas did was completely appropriate. The trinity is a false doctrine that has been perpetrated on the masses by Babylonian/Catholic doctrine. Praise and glory to the holy father who gives us truth by his word and through his spirit. Praise to the lord Jesus who is the only door by which we are saved because he sent the helper (holy spirit) ten days after his ascension from his father through him. This is why Jesus was given all authority in heaven and earth and says that the angels worship him. Matt 28:18 Peace and blessings to you.
John 14:8-9 King James Version 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Why does Jesus have a God if he was God? Matt 27:46 And about three Jesus called out loudly: “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabacthani” - that is to say, ‘O my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?’ Rev 3:12 The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
You know, enough people are asking that question that I'm going to have to make an addendum to this video. I thought I'd made the answer to that question obvious, but apparently I have failed. Please be patient and I'll upload the answer soon.
@MannyTorres-wo6cv - Since no one has seen God at any time and for us to see God would result in our annihilation. ("But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." Exodus 33:20.) We have the only-begotten Son to reveal the Father to us. “No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.” (John 1:18) You see, if you focus on one text that can mean that God is literally with us, or it could mean that through his Son he is with us, and use that to support your belief, you are then required to ignore all the other evidence that contradicts your belief. Is that the kind of Christian you want to be? Be the courageous Christian who digs for truth and who is not afraid to stand up to "conventional wisdom".
Why does Jesus have a God? Matt 27:46 And about three Jesus called out loudly: “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabacthani” - that is to say, ‘O my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?’ Rev 3:12 The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
Jesus said he was going to raise up the temple of his body himself in three days. How could Jesus resurrect himself if he was not God? The father resurrected him and the Holy Spirit resurrected Jesus. How do you explain that?
@Alittle06 He didn't say that he'd resurrect himself. He said that he'd raise his body. He was raised a life-giving spirit, not a human in a fleshly body. (1 Corinthians 15:45) As a spirit, he couldn't be seen, so he would raise a human body from time to time so that he could talk with his disciples. Once he recreated the body with its flesh wounds for Thomas (John 20), but in the next chapter, he appears in a form that was not recognizable. (John 21).
He raised his body, I agree with you. Read 1cor 15 the whole chapter. Put your scripture into context. Earthly bodies will be raised as heavenly bodies. Jesus is the life giving spirit because He gives life. All you did was confirm that we have more than just a body. That Jesus had a spirit and body.
Another ‘cherry picking’ verse is 1 Corinthians 8:6 where it states: “There is ONE Lord, Jesus Christ” - which is then allied with Matthew 22:37 where Jesus states: “You must love the Lord your God with your whole heart…”.Some people will argue that those verses appear to suggest that our LORD Jesus Christ is the same as “the LORD your God” - given that “there is only ONE Lord”. You decide.
Even today there are men who are addressed as Lord. In England there is the "House of Lords". So, we need to understand the context and culture and why the Christians referred to Jesus as Lord and the Father as God. There is no "House of Gods" in England, because the word in English denotes a being far superior to a mere lord.
Why does Jesus have a God? Matt 27:46 And about three Jesus called out loudly: “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabacthani” - that is to say, ‘O my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?’ Rev 3:12 The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
If Jesus were God, wouldn't he have prayed the night before his death like this? Please, Myself, save Myself from this cup that is before me. Nevertheless, let My will be done. I really don't believe that Jesus was praying to himself!
John 10:33-36 The Jews answered him, "We do not stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God." Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, You are gods'?" If he calls them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), how then do you say of him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, 'You blaspheme,' because I say, 'I am the Son of God'? Jesus is God, but not God Almighty.
@BeroeanPickets I see no problem in acknowledging that there are many gods, as the Bible confirms. Even the angels are referred to as gods, or the belly. Of course Jesus is "a god," as even the NW states in John 1:1. If you keep that in mind and interpret John 20:28 that way, then it makes sense. Satan is also the god of this system. But only one is the almighty God: Yehovah.
Correct. But if you say that Jesus is God, then grammatically and syntactically, you're saying that he is Yehovah. Because in English God with a capital G is a proper noun, which means it's a name, not a title. A proper noun makes it unique and so it becomes synonymous with the almighty God.
@@BeroeanPickets OK, I understand the problem. It is perhaps the same problem as in German. Germans also have the impression that the word God can only refer to one being. But that does not correspond with what the Bible says. Perhaps we are thinking too humanly in this matter. I read somewhere that the Jews had a very different relationship to the word "God" and knew that this term did not only refer to the Most High. If you assume that Thomas actually understood it that way, then he wanted to say: "My divine Lord." There are also speculations, however, that Thomas said Lord to Jesus here and meant Jehovah when he said God. When interpreting it, you have to keep in mind that the Jews understood the word "God" differently than we do. It was not a term that only applied to Jehovah.
@@AndreDirschka It is merely the 'device' used to execute our Lord. An argument often made that he would not have been executed using a 'pagan' cross is not relevant as the execution 'device' is not relevant. On the other hand if one is arguing from an interpretation point of view you will note that Cross/Stake/Pole/Tree is used and while it could be argued that it should be interpreted more correctly as being one of those, as all scripture is inspired by our Heavenly Father and should be correct and consistent, it would seem that Cross/Stake/Pole/Tree is used almost 50/50 from my research. I agree that should not be the case as either it should be one or the other, but I have yet to find conclusive SCRIPTURAL, not historical which actually points more likely a cross, evidence for either. Also, it’s not a talisman or special or to be worn as a Christian symbol IMHO. Imagine wearing the gun that killed your friend or child around your neck so that you and other could be freed from a hostage situation.
Bonjour Monsieur Éric. Je ne suis pas d'accord avec vous sur vos compréhensions. Déjà, vous accusez les trinitaires, et en vous écoutant, il est flagrant que vous ne savez pas de quoi vous parlez ! Vous ne savez pas la notion et les versets bibliques sur lequel repose cette doctrine ! Déjà le mot Trinité n'existe pas dans la Bible. Donc nous pouvons être d'accord là dessus. Ensuite, les versets que vous citez, un trinitaire vous rigolera devant votre nez ! En effet, le trinitaire, ne croit pas que Jésus et le Père sont la même personne ! Donc utiliser des versets qui les distinguent, le trinitaire est aussi d'accord avec ! Pour un trinitaire, cher monsieur Éric, le Père et le Fils sont différents ! Donc utiliser des versets montrant la différence, les trinitaires le croient aussi ! Donc je vous invite à lire des ouvrages de référence expliquant pourquoi beaucoup de chrétiens croient en cette doctrine. Le trinitaire, cher monsieur Éric, croie que Jésus est le Fils de Dieu. Qu'il existe un seul Dieu. Dans la Bible on parle de "Dieu le Père", Jésus est "le Fils de Dieu" et l'esprit saint est "l'esprit de Dieu". Pour Jésus, jean 1:1 et philippiens 2:6 indique que Jésus est de nature Divine ! C'est pour cela que les trinitaires croient que Jésus a la même nature divine mais il est distinct du Père. Ainsi donc le trinitaire n'a pas la même compréhension sur ce que représente Dieu. Pour un trinitaire, Jésus a , cela s'appuie sur des versets bibliques, la nature divine. Je vous invite à relire apocalypse chapitre 5. Regarder la fin de ce chapitre :"13Toutes les créatures qui sont dans le ciel, sur la terre, sous la terre, sur la mer, tous les êtres qui s'y trouvent, je les entendis s’écrier: «A celui qui est assis sur le trône et à l'Agneau soient la louange, l'honneur, la gloire et la domination, aux siècles des siècles!» " avez-vous noté dans ce verset et dans ce chapitre que Jésus mérite la louange, l'honneur et la gloire comme son Père !. Je vous invite aussi à relire le livre des Hébreux qui montre que Jésus est le Fils dans la maison de son Père, alors que Moïse est présenté comme un serviteur !. Jésus nous a racheté et nous a adopté pour Dieu (jean 1:12). Enfin je vous laisse méditer sur ce verset : hébreu 13:8 "Jésus-Christ est le même hier, aujourd’hui, et éternellement". Si je résume : le mot Trinité ne figure pas dans la Bible. Donc se battre sur ce mot, c'est pour moi comme l'indique l'apôtre Paul à Timothée (2thim2:14) de ne pas se battre sur des mots. Je sais très bien que vous me jugerez de faux chrétiens car je ne suis pas d'accord avec vous. Je vous dit sincèrement que votre jugement je m'en fou car mon juge c'est le Seigneur Jésus. Seul le Seigneur connaît ceux qui lui appartient. Je vais être assez honnête envers vous monsieur Éric : je trouve que traiter les autres chrétiens de "faux chrétiens" c'est que l'on a un gros ego et que l'on est bien orgueilleux. En effet, ma lecture du nouveau testament me convainc d'une chose : Jésus est le chef de l'église. L'église étant composé de tous les croyants qui reconnaissent leurs états de pêcheurs, qui se repentent et qui suivent le Christ. Que le Salut n'est pas dans l'appartenance à une Église en particulier, mais dans notre relation personnelle avec notre Dieu (YHWH). Que chaque chrétien devrait être un lecteur et un étudiant de la Parole de Dieu. Personnellement, mon étude personnelle de ma Bible ne me permets pas d'arriver à vos conclusions. Je pense que nous n'étudions certainement pas de la même manière la Bible. Personnellement, je ne remettrai pas en cause votre état d'enfant de Dieu. Je vous ai partagé mon point de vue. Je sais très bien que nous ne tomberons pas d'accord. Je vous souhaite donc une excellente étude de la Bible. Que notre Dieu YHWH vous protège aussi. Je continuerai de prier pour vous, car c'est ce que souhaite Dieu : de prier pour les uns pour les autres. Un lecteur et étudiant de la Bible qui est un pêcheur, mais par grâce j'ai l'espérance de la vie éternelle.
Why does Jesus have a God? Matt 27:46 And about three Jesus called out loudly: “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabacthani” - that is to say, ‘O my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?’ Rev 3:12 The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name. John 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
@@shanebekkeroui, et ?? Je crois en ces versets. Ces versets ne sont pas contradictoire avec la nature divine du Christ. Au moment du sacrifice, Jésus porte notre péché. Il est donc à ce moment séparé de son Père. Apocalypse indique que l'agneau est assis à la droite de son Père sur le trône de son Père !
A good responce as far as it goes but you still have not answered the question why is Thomas calling him God? It seems the only real difference in your doctrines that you are against shunning but still hold to most of JW false interpretations of scripture.
@edwardmctaggart - Duh! I explained that Thomas is NOT CALLING HIM GOD. If you don't get it after watching the video, I have nothing more to add. The fact that you get into ad hominem attack shows your true motivation.
”And Thomas **answered** and said to *Him*, “My Lord and my God!” Sadly Eric, you chose to use a translation that does not clearly show that Thomas was explicitly talking to Jesus and calling *HIM* My God. That is the first (very) negative point in your presentation. Then, in typical WT fashion, you set aside explicit Scripture and replace it with your own tortuous human logic to work uphill for 13 minutes to “justify” ignoring what Scripture actually states. I have greatly admired your ability to demolish WT logic and logical fallacies. Sadly, when it comes to the Deity of the Messiah, you fall back to their level of reasoning. One can leave the WTBTS, but they have not (yet) totally left you. Sincerely, Eric (the other one)
@Eric-NI I'm curious, what translation would you have used? I've just looked at biblehub and every translation renders his words "My Lord and my God!" as an exclamation. biblehub.com/john/20-28.htm Check it out and explain to me just how it is that I'm falling back on the level of reasoning of the WTBTS.
****Literal Translations** Literal Standard Version And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Berean Literal Bible Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Young's Literal Translation And Thomas answered and said to him, 'My Lord and my God;' Smith's Literal Translation And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.
You'll notice that those who are arguing for the Trinity/Twinity in the comments below just throw other "proof texts" at us but fail to address the evidence presented in this video proving that their cherished John 20:28 proof text isn't proof at all. This tactic is typical of people who have no real foundation for their belief, so they just ignore anything that contradicts it, and keep hurling cherries they've picked from Scripture at the wall hoping that one of them sticks.
💯 Well done. This point will stick with me: When Jesus said to Peter (Mt 16:17): "It was revealed to you by God" helped me understand why many refuse to see plain, simple truth! We should keep those words in mind and not get flustered by trying to make a seed grow when only God can make it grow. Thank you so much for your numerous clear discussions.
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May God's holy spirit 🕊️ . .
Continue to guide you , my brother
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Excellent Eric
Lord means ownship and authority, God means the spirit within that Lord, which is One, One God
Thank you my brother in Christ it's always a pleasure to hear you speak about the deeper things in God's, word ,please keep up the good work I look forward to hearing you speak every week.
@RonalsRogers-or7jq - Thank you so much!
Well explained brother Eric.
Thomas was recognizing that it was the Father (God) working through Jesus (Lord). That to see Jesus was to also see the Father. Hence why Jesus would always say his words were no his own and that it was the Father speaking through him.
Can’t believe people are resting their Trinity hope on a few words that doubting Thomas said. Only the words that come out of Jesus’s mouth are certifiable. Even today when we are hit with a shocking revelation we say: oh my god! He was expressing shock about his lord and also the God in heaven.
OK . Though i disagree i shall continue to watch your videos because Ii do find them intersting. All the best to you.
Me too. I disagree also but love Eric's Videos. ❤
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It’s hard to believe that this is still an issue among believers. People are just going to believe what they want to believe and not the truth. Good job Eric. Hope you and Wendy are doing well.🙏
@KillTheEgo1223 - I know! There are none so blind, right?
@@BeroeanPickets Jesus Christ is the fullness of the Godhead bodily. HE is literally the body of GOD The FATHER. God in the flesh.
John 14:8-9
King James Version
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
@@Starbuckin If that's the case, why did Jesus call the Father his God and say that he was going to the Father? Do you think that maybe, just maybe, he wasn't speaking literally. You know, he was a smart guy. He could use metaphor. You know, metaphor??
@@BeroeanPickets
Hebrews 1:8 says, "But about the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom'".
The father calls Jesus God.
Sometimes what God says doesn’t makes sense to the human mind.
Like how we accept God lives outside time and space, is omnipresent and has no beginning.
Those are beyond human comprehension too, but I assume you accept it.
@@Alittle06 no he doesn’t. If so, then the human king in psalm 45 (which is quoted in Hebrews) is also God. It’s nonsense .
Psalm 45:6 Your throne, O God,[a] will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
That phrase "My Lord and my God" in John 20:28 is referenced in Psalm 35:23 where David says the same phrase but in reverse "God and my Lord". This leads me to conclude that Thomas was referring to the God of Israel and not to Jesus as his God and Lord. True, he said it to Jesus, but also in Matthew 16:23 Jesus said to Peter "Get thee behind me, Satan". Therefore, just as Thomas was not referring to Jesus, neither was Jesus referring to Peter.
Thanks Eric for your time and video, this is only my thoughts, when going back to Papyrus 66 and taking a look at John 20:17, Jesus stated " God my" and God of you all. Thus telling me that Jesus's God was the same God as the Peoples God, not some trinitarian idea. Just as John 1:1 doesn't use the word "word" it uses "message" . The last part of John 1:1 states " the message was God" not stating as all have become accustomed to reading "the word was "a" God".
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The false doctrine is the one that you are espoused.😢
Couldn’t this have just been an exclamation out of shock rather than a direct statement being addressed to Jesus? The guy doubted Jesus had resurrected and when he sees him he exclaims out of shock.
It was most definitely an exclamation. biblehub.com/john/20-28.htm
In the New Testament, the only instance where Jesus is directly addressed using the nominative form of κύριος (as opposed to the vocative κύριε) occurs in Thomas’ exclamation in John 20:28: “My Lord and my God” (Ὁ Κύριός μου καὶ ὁ Θεός μου).
It is interesting how trinitarians will try to use grammar to prove their point when it seems convenient, yet shy away from it when it isn't convenient, such as the case of John 1:1 and John 8:58.
John 14:9
Jesus said unto him, “Have I been so long a time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’?
If you see Jesus you see the father. Thomas believed and understood this and was addressing two persons when he said my lord and my God.
Speculation
@ context.
You are exactly correct. Thomas was recognizing that it was the Father (God) working through Jesus (Lord). Hence why Jesus would always say his words were no his own and that it was the father speaking through him.
Could you please give me the link to the TH-cam about why you're pronouncing Jehovah with a Y
Just want to learn more about the names of God
Thank you for all you do❤❤❤❤
@TheresaStiffler - I'm preparing a video to fully explain that, but for now, when the name was first coined as an English translation, the letter J was pronounced like Y is now, so I prefer using a letter that more closely approximates the original pronounciation.
Logical comment Eric. Please explain why God addresses his son is God in Hebrews 1:8 and 9?
He doesn’t.
@@JKV84 Explain that Scripture then?🤔
@exjwcareerhelp7493 - The word “God” in Hebrews 1:8 is translated from the Greek word theos, which can be translated either as 'God' or as 'god'. To translate theos, when referring to Jesus, as 'God' is based on the assumption that Jesus is the Most High God. It is an application of the Trinity doctrine; not proof thereof.
@@dolorescunningham4816those two verses are self explanatory. Nobody is calling Jesus “God”. The WHOLE book of Hebrews shows clearly why Jesus is not God. Read it. And then read it again. Understand the context, and the language, and the translation of that language.
@@dolorescunningham4816hebrews 1:8 is a quote from psalm 45:6 which reads:
Your throne, O God,[a] will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Psalm 45 is about a human king.
If you conclude that Hebrews 1:8 is calling Jesus God almighty you must also logically conclude that the human king is God almighty. He isn’t. It’s nonsense.
This is a very bad trinitarian translation.
It is not the father speaking in hebrews. It is the author speaking about the son. The original text does not say “he says”.
The text is about Jesus sitting down on Gods throne.
Rev 3:21
To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Further see Hebrews 1:9
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[a]
Does God almighty have a God? No - it does not make any sense.
God is a spirit and we worship in spirit and truth. When Jesus was baptized God's spirit fully manifested into him. At Pentecost God's spirit was put into each disciple. As Acts 2:38 says if we Repent, are baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins, we will be filled with God's holy spirit. Jesus stated that he and the father are one which does not mean he is God or that he is a trinity of God's. God's spirit is in Jesus and he speaks as God because God's word is in him. Thomas recognised that Jesus is lord and the holy spirit in him is God. Jesus never said he was God. He is the son of man and son of God. We kneel to our king and we worship the holy spirit (God) who is in Jesus. What Thomas did was completely appropriate. The trinity is a false doctrine that has been perpetrated on the masses by Babylonian/Catholic doctrine. Praise and glory to the holy father who gives us truth by his word and through his spirit. Praise to the lord Jesus who is the only door by which we are saved because he sent the helper (holy spirit) ten days after his ascension from his father through him. This is why Jesus was given all authority in heaven and earth and says that the angels worship him. Matt 28:18 Peace and blessings to you.
John 14:8-9
King James Version
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Why does Jesus have a God if he was God?
Matt 27:46 And about three Jesus called out loudly: “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabacthani” - that is to say, ‘O my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?’
Rev 3:12 The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
Ok, I watched the video. And what was the conclusion about Thomas’ words? Why did he call Jesus “my God”?
You know, enough people are asking that question that I'm going to have to make an addendum to this video. I thought I'd made the answer to that question obvious, but apparently I have failed. Please be patient and I'll upload the answer soon.
@ that will be greatly appreciated, dear Eric
Why is Jesus called Immanuel in Isa 7:14 and Matt 1:3?
The Word says that Immanuel means, "God is with us".
@MannyTorres-wo6cv - Since no one has seen God at any time and for us to see God would result in our annihilation. ("But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." Exodus 33:20.) We have the only-begotten Son to reveal the Father to us.
“No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.” (John 1:18)
You see, if you focus on one text that can mean that God is literally with us, or it could mean that through his Son he is with us, and use that to support your belief, you are then required to ignore all the other evidence that contradicts your belief. Is that the kind of Christian you want to be? Be the courageous Christian who digs for truth and who is not afraid to stand up to "conventional wisdom".
Why does Jesus have a God?
Matt 27:46 And about three Jesus called out loudly: “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabacthani” - that is to say, ‘O my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?’
Rev 3:12 The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
Jesus said he was going to raise up the temple of his body himself in three days. How could Jesus resurrect himself if he was not God? The father resurrected him and the Holy Spirit resurrected Jesus.
How do you explain that?
@Alittle06 He didn't say that he'd resurrect himself. He said that he'd raise his body. He was raised a life-giving spirit, not a human in a fleshly body. (1 Corinthians 15:45) As a spirit, he couldn't be seen, so he would raise a human body from time to time so that he could talk with his disciples. Once he recreated the body with its flesh wounds for Thomas (John 20), but in the next chapter, he appears in a form that was not recognizable. (John 21).
He raised his body, I agree with you. Read 1cor 15 the whole chapter. Put your scripture into context. Earthly bodies will be raised as heavenly bodies. Jesus is the life giving spirit because He gives life. All you did was confirm that we have more than just a body. That Jesus had a spirit and body.
Don't you also , kinda , do the same thing ?
@StuartDavidson-o3x - Can you explain?
Is IT the burden of the Cross, Or, Torture stake?
Another ‘cherry picking’ verse is 1 Corinthians 8:6 where it states: “There is ONE Lord, Jesus Christ” - which is then allied with Matthew 22:37 where Jesus states: “You must love the Lord your God with your whole heart…”.Some people will argue that those verses appear to suggest that our LORD Jesus Christ is the same as “the LORD your God” - given that “there is only ONE Lord”. You decide.
Even today there are men who are addressed as Lord. In England there is the "House of Lords". So, we need to understand the context and culture and why the Christians referred to Jesus as Lord and the Father as God. There is no "House of Gods" in England, because the word in English denotes a being far superior to a mere lord.
Why does Jesus have a God?
Matt 27:46 And about three Jesus called out loudly: “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabacthani” - that is to say, ‘O my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?’
Rev 3:12 The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
If Jesus were God, wouldn't he have prayed the night before his death like this? Please, Myself, save Myself from this cup that is before me. Nevertheless, let My will be done. I really don't believe that Jesus was praying to himself!
John 10:33-36 The Jews answered him, "We do not stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God." Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, You are gods'?" If he calls them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), how then do you say of him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, 'You blaspheme,' because I say, 'I am the Son of God'? Jesus is God, but not God Almighty.
But God is God. There are not two Gods. Here, what this video to understand the difference: th-cam.com/video/rJYQU9pHZHY/w-d-xo.html
@BeroeanPickets I see no problem in acknowledging that there are many gods, as the Bible confirms. Even the angels are referred to as gods, or the belly. Of course Jesus is "a god," as even the NW states in John 1:1. If you keep that in mind and interpret John 20:28 that way, then it makes sense. Satan is also the god of this system. But only one is the almighty God: Yehovah.
Correct. But if you say that Jesus is God, then grammatically and syntactically, you're saying that he is Yehovah. Because in English God with a capital G is a proper noun, which means it's a name, not a title. A proper noun makes it unique and so it becomes synonymous with the almighty God.
@@BeroeanPickets OK, I understand the problem. It is perhaps the same problem as in German. Germans also have the impression that the word God can only refer to one being. But that does not correspond with what the Bible says. Perhaps we are thinking too humanly in this matter. I read somewhere that the Jews had a very different relationship to the word "God" and knew that this term did not only refer to the Most High. If you assume that Thomas actually understood it that way, then he wanted to say: "My divine Lord." There are also speculations, however, that Thomas said Lord to Jesus here and meant Jehovah when he said God. When interpreting it, you have to keep in mind that the Jews understood the word "God" differently than we do. It was not a term that only applied to Jehovah.
@@AndreDirschka It is merely the 'device' used to execute our Lord. An argument often made that he would not have been executed using a 'pagan' cross is not relevant as the execution 'device' is not relevant. On the other hand if one is arguing from an interpretation point of view you will note that Cross/Stake/Pole/Tree is used and while it could be argued that it should be interpreted more correctly as being one of those, as all scripture is inspired by our Heavenly Father and should be correct and consistent, it would seem that Cross/Stake/Pole/Tree is used almost 50/50 from my research. I agree that should not be the case as either it should be one or the other, but I have yet to find conclusive SCRIPTURAL, not historical which actually points more likely a cross, evidence for either. Also, it’s not a talisman or special or to be worn as a Christian symbol IMHO. Imagine wearing the gun that killed your friend or child around your neck so that you and other could be freed from a hostage situation.
Bonjour Monsieur Éric. Je ne suis pas d'accord avec vous sur vos compréhensions.
Déjà, vous accusez les trinitaires, et en vous écoutant, il est flagrant que vous ne savez pas de quoi vous parlez ! Vous ne savez pas la notion et les versets bibliques sur lequel repose cette doctrine ! Déjà le mot Trinité n'existe pas dans la Bible. Donc nous pouvons être d'accord là dessus. Ensuite, les versets que vous citez, un trinitaire vous rigolera devant votre nez ! En effet, le trinitaire, ne croit pas que Jésus et le Père sont la même personne ! Donc utiliser des versets qui les distinguent, le trinitaire est aussi d'accord avec ! Pour un trinitaire, cher monsieur Éric, le Père et le Fils sont différents ! Donc utiliser des versets montrant la différence, les trinitaires le croient aussi ! Donc je vous invite à lire des ouvrages de référence expliquant pourquoi beaucoup de chrétiens croient en cette doctrine. Le trinitaire, cher monsieur Éric, croie que Jésus est le Fils de Dieu. Qu'il existe un seul Dieu. Dans la Bible on parle de "Dieu le Père", Jésus est "le Fils de Dieu" et l'esprit saint est "l'esprit de Dieu". Pour Jésus, jean 1:1 et philippiens 2:6 indique que Jésus est de nature Divine ! C'est pour cela que les trinitaires croient que Jésus a la même nature divine mais il est distinct du Père. Ainsi donc le trinitaire n'a pas la même compréhension sur ce que représente Dieu. Pour un trinitaire, Jésus a , cela s'appuie sur des versets bibliques, la nature divine.
Je vous invite à relire apocalypse chapitre 5. Regarder la fin de ce chapitre :"13Toutes les créatures qui sont dans le ciel, sur la terre, sous la terre, sur la mer, tous les êtres qui s'y trouvent, je les entendis s’écrier: «A celui qui est assis sur le trône et à l'Agneau soient la louange, l'honneur, la gloire et la domination, aux siècles des siècles!» " avez-vous noté dans ce verset et dans ce chapitre que Jésus mérite la louange, l'honneur et la gloire comme son Père !. Je vous invite aussi à relire le livre des Hébreux qui montre que Jésus est le Fils dans la maison de son Père, alors que Moïse est présenté comme un serviteur !. Jésus nous a racheté et nous a adopté pour Dieu (jean 1:12). Enfin je vous laisse méditer sur ce verset : hébreu 13:8 "Jésus-Christ est le même hier, aujourd’hui, et éternellement".
Si je résume : le mot Trinité ne figure pas dans la Bible. Donc se battre sur ce mot, c'est pour moi comme l'indique l'apôtre Paul à Timothée (2thim2:14) de ne pas se battre sur des mots.
Je sais très bien que vous me jugerez de faux chrétiens car je ne suis pas d'accord avec vous. Je vous dit sincèrement que votre jugement je m'en fou car mon juge c'est le Seigneur Jésus. Seul le Seigneur connaît ceux qui lui appartient.
Je vais être assez honnête envers vous monsieur Éric : je trouve que traiter les autres chrétiens de "faux chrétiens" c'est que l'on a un gros ego et que l'on est bien orgueilleux. En effet, ma lecture du nouveau testament me convainc d'une chose : Jésus est le chef de l'église. L'église étant composé de tous les croyants qui reconnaissent leurs états de pêcheurs, qui se repentent et qui suivent le Christ. Que le Salut n'est pas dans l'appartenance à une Église en particulier, mais dans notre relation personnelle avec notre Dieu (YHWH). Que chaque chrétien devrait être un lecteur et un étudiant de la Parole de Dieu.
Personnellement, mon étude personnelle de ma Bible ne me permets pas d'arriver à vos conclusions. Je pense que nous n'étudions certainement pas de la même manière la Bible.
Personnellement, je ne remettrai pas en cause votre état d'enfant de Dieu.
Je vous ai partagé mon point de vue. Je sais très bien que nous ne tomberons pas d'accord. Je vous souhaite donc une excellente étude de la Bible. Que notre Dieu YHWH vous protège aussi. Je continuerai de prier pour vous, car c'est ce que souhaite Dieu : de prier pour les uns pour les autres. Un lecteur et étudiant de la Bible qui est un pêcheur, mais par grâce j'ai l'espérance de la vie éternelle.
Why does Jesus have a God?
Matt 27:46 And about three Jesus called out loudly: “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabacthani” - that is to say, ‘O my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?’
Rev 3:12 The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
John 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
@@shanebekkeroui, et ??
Je crois en ces versets. Ces versets ne sont pas contradictoire avec la nature divine du Christ.
Au moment du sacrifice, Jésus porte notre péché. Il est donc à ce moment séparé de son Père. Apocalypse indique que l'agneau est assis à la droite de son Père sur le trône de son Père !
A good responce as far as it goes but you still have not answered the question why is Thomas calling him God? It seems the only real difference in your doctrines that you are against shunning but still hold to most of JW false interpretations of scripture.
@edwardmctaggart - Duh! I explained that Thomas is NOT CALLING HIM GOD. If you don't get it after watching the video, I have nothing more to add. The fact that you get into ad hominem attack shows your true motivation.
”And Thomas **answered** and said to *Him*, “My Lord and my God!”
Sadly Eric, you chose to use a translation that does not clearly show that Thomas was explicitly talking to Jesus and calling *HIM* My God.
That is the first (very) negative point in your presentation.
Then, in typical WT fashion, you set aside explicit Scripture and replace it with your own tortuous human logic to work uphill for 13 minutes to “justify” ignoring what Scripture actually states.
I have greatly admired your ability to demolish WT logic and logical fallacies. Sadly, when it comes to the Deity of the Messiah, you fall back to their level of reasoning.
One can leave the WTBTS, but they have not (yet) totally left you.
Sincerely, Eric (the other one)
@Eric-NI I'm curious, what translation would you have used? I've just looked at biblehub and every translation renders his words "My Lord and my God!" as an exclamation.
biblehub.com/john/20-28.htm
Check it out and explain to me just how it is that I'm falling back on the level of reasoning of the WTBTS.
@@BeroeanPickets Every literal translation on Biblehub.
Also look at the Greek
****Literal Translations**
Literal Standard Version
And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Berean Literal Bible
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Young's Literal Translation
And Thomas answered and said to him, 'My Lord and my God;'
Smith's Literal Translation
And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.
Greek interlinear
Answered Thomas and said to Him The Lord of Me and the God of me
See also Kingdom Interlinear
@@Eric-NI Exactly. They all say "My Lord and my God". Your point?