I've used 45ACP, 9mm, and 357Mag to stop criminals. All 3 were effective. For years I EDC'd a 5" 1911 and those are still my favorite pistols. But I switched to a G19 many years ago for EDC. For 1 or 2 bad guys I'd prefer a 45. For more I'd prefer the 9 because I can get more rounds on target more accurately and more quickly. The difference in weight is major. If I know I'll have to fight I'll skip it all and bring a long gun. If, like the military I were restricted to the use of FMJs, I'd switch back to 45. Finally, maybe one guy doesn't think 9mm kills bad guys. There are many documented fatal shootings by police agencies using 124gr 9mm+P Gold Dots. Carry whatever you like but understand that no pistol service caliber is a lightning bolt. You have to place your shot.
Thank you for your service, as a combat medic, in nam, we were issued the 1911, and i, like u have carried it ever since. I only carry the 230 grain fmj.
Dear SGT.... besides being my favorite cartridge caliber and the most pleasant for me to shoot, you now give me one another reason to have the .45 ACP and my 1911's on top of my preferences. Thank you!
Hey Sgt I think most people shoot 9mm because they know they need more rounds cause they can't shoot for 💩. You hear how police have a shootout and blast dozens of rounds and hit the person 3x. If you train with your weapon and learn to be proficient then all you need is a 1911. Thanks for the info stay well Sgt.
@@nelsondejesus7846 i agree with you a good marksmanship is a must in a real life situations i was once watching a Navy seal video and the instructor was describing that sometimes you dont have time to aim and the the best thing to neutralize the threat you have to point the gun on that direction of the threat and sometimes you wonder that even 18 to 20 round capacity is not enough when death is hovering above your head Jesus those real combatant stories are Educational
@@nelsondejesus7846 there was an article I read a while ago, and I don't remember where I found it, but it suggested that in general, an officer will empty his weapon in the attempt to resolve a situation requiring deadly force. In the case of the .38 caliber revolver, it meant 3-6 shots. After the adoption of higher capacity semi-automatics (and I believe the article was presenting a case AGAINST adopting semi-autos for this reason), we see the number of rounds fired in officer involved shootings skyrocket. Likely, this is because the officer is still emptying his weapon to resolve the issue. This, of course, is in line with your assessment that higher capacity is a crutch for lack of marksmanship, as it means that the officer may not even be trying to aim his shots and simply pulling the trigger as many times as he can while directing the muzzle of his service pistol in the direction of the suspect, and praying he goes down. Also, there was this quote by Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, “It has never been clear to me why increased magazine capacity in a defensive pistol is particularly choice. The bigger the magazine the bigger the gun, and the bigger the gun the harder it is to get hold of for people with small hands. And what, pray, does one need all those rounds for? How many lethal antagonists do you think you are going to be able to handle? Once when Bruce Nelson was asked by a suspect if the thirteen-round magazine in the P35 was not a big advantage, Bruce’s answer was, “Well, yes, if you plan to miss a lot.” The highest score I know of at this time achieved by one man against a group of armed adversaries was recorded in (of all places) the Ivory Coast! There, some years ago, a graduate student of mine laid out five goblins, with four dead and one totaled for the hospital. Of course there is the episode of Alvin York and his eight, but there is some dispute about that tale. (If you read it over very carefully you will see what I mean.) Be that as it may, I see no real need for a double column magazine. It is all the rage, of course, and like dual air bags, it is a popular current sales gimmick.”
Thanks for this video sarge! This was a breath of fresh air. Taylor knockdown factor should be taken into consideration more than just terminal ballistics. I’ve given this analogy before. Would you rather get hit by a real fast 115lb guy? Or would you rather get hit by a slower, 230 lb linebacker? Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. I can’t understand why that concept goes out the window when it comes to bullet weight. Long live the 45 ACP and John Moses browning, 230 grains of AMERICA!
It's not that it gets thrown out "when it comes to bullet weight" it gets thrown out by the "experts" when it comes to handguns. Stopping power is a very real thing in dangerous and large game hunting but is a myth apparently when it comes to handguns and self defense.
@@swiftbear pistol caliber rounds shot from a handgun do not have enough velocity to stretch a wound cavity further than what elastic human tissues can take without tearing. Part of what makes big rifle rounds so devastating in the first place is because BELOW 2100-2500 FPS, you would still make a hole in your target that is about the same size as the bullet. But if you shoot those rounds above 2100-2500 FPS, you start getting such violent expansion of the wound cavity that all the tissue surrounding the path of the bullet is stretched beyond its limit. Also, modern rifle rounds are designed to yaw and flip when impacting a soft target, which can also cause them to fragment and create multiple wound channels in random directions. A handgun can achieve none of these things except poke a hole in something that will be about the same size of the bullet, even if it yaws.
@@rondobrondo Your argument only sees velocity as the means of bullet effectiveness. Larger diameter and heavier bullets is what stops threats, it destroys tissue, bone and organs from the bullet itself. Velocity is just a bonus.
Excellent video! Didn't know about the Taylor Knockout Factor formula, learn something every day! I carry a Glock 21 for duty and a 45ACP pistol (either a Glock or 1911) as my EDC-CCW. As a firearms instructor, I have had MANY of these 9mm vs 45ACP discussions and these are my thoughts: If FMJ bullets are used, the .4515 or .452 inch bullet in 45ACP is obviously larger diameter than the .355 inch 9mm bullet, so there is more tissue damage even without expansion. With good JHP defensive loads, in our ballistic gel tests, the 45ACP averages .77 to .79 inches in diameter, whereas the 9mm averages .6 to .65 inches in diameter. The temporary wound cavity as well as the permanent wound cavity for a 45ACP is much better than a 9mm. Yes, there is more felt recoil and muzzle flip with the 45ACP than there is with the 9mm, but that can be overcome with training and practice. And yes, 9mm pistols typically hold more rounds than the 45ACP, but it will typically take more hits with a 9mm to subdue a subject than a 45ACP (and yes bullet placement counts). 15 years ago I would not recommend a 9mm as a defensive caliber, but after bullet manufacturers redesigned their bullets and powders to improve its performance, I do now recommend it. Although, personally I still prefer the 45ACP. Our agency is going to switch over to a 9mm Glock because the FBI switched over and will be required to carry a 9mm.
my department recently swapped out our Glock 21's for the Glock 45's in 9mm to make is easier and cheaper to train the applicants we have been getting these days. I've been at this for 35+ years and have gone from .45 to .38sp+p to 9mm to .45 and now back to 9mm. Of the plastic guns the M&P 45 was the most comfortable grip wise. My preference has always been the 45/44 caliber.
I see you are not a Glock fan. Either was I. Until I got my hands on a Glock 41. With a 5.3" barrell chambered in 45 with light and optics capability and 13+1 rounds at only 23 oz, it makes a good bedside weapon. Also, if you read the blog by the guy who makes Buffalo Bore and has experience with big/dangerous game, he also advocates the Taylor KF@@SGT1911
I was trained with the .45 acp in the Military and learned about a soldier taking out a German machine gun squad , there were 6 machine gunners , the soldier did it with a single magazine full of 230gr Ball ammo , That's amazing !
I’m sorry to burst your bubble but what you heard was probably morale boosting propaganda and nothing else. In no realistic world is it even remotely realistic that one man kills 6 machine gunners with one pistol bullet each. This scenario is far fetched even for a movie.
@@SGT1911 Not bullshit at all. It was heavily inflated for propaganda purposes and I can’t believe that people are actually believing things like these. The original war record only stated that Alvin shot a couple of them with his pistol. It didn’t mention anything about him killing 6 of them with one magazine. That was probably created after or during the war to boost the morale. The US military is well known for creating propaganda stories in order to boost the morale of its soldiers. It does so often. They tried to fabricate a story of how their “super tank” in WW2 took out a German King Tiger and it was revealed not long after that it was a fabricated story and the tank that they actually took out was a much weaker Panzer 4. I am not trying to discredit anyone here but you should be aware that the US Army is one big propaganda outlet and you shouldn’t blindly believe everything they say.
Aaaand SUBSCRIBED! I shoot both 9mm mainly for cost and there’s more variety of platforms. 45acp is actually 12.1mm and you punch a hole in em with it and that cavity is not closing back up! Sucks it’s approaching 50cents a shot for cheap stuff!
Integrative Preparedness on Patreon shared this video. Fantastic presentation. Been a .45 guy for 37 years. My 34 year old Springfield 1911 was having some hiccups, and I bought a Sig M18. I tried a Beretta 92FS in the 80's, sweet shooter, passing fad. A friend who was a Ranger turned me on to .45's in the early 80's, in my opinion, one of the best platforms there is. I never felt short of ammo. I now have this 9mm, it's not bad, but I am saving for a Wilson Combat 1911, because at this age, why not. Subscribing to your channel. Again, Fantastic presentation!
I have been rolling with a Ruger Vaquero 3-1/2 inch barrel birds head for a sidearm while hunting’ I will tell you this’ it puts 4 legged critters down just dandy’ I love the 9mm for a CCW weapon and in a Carbine length weapon it hits hard and packs the knockdown power needed in the hotter loadings’ I can hit what I shoot at so I’m not to concerned with what I have’ I’m more concerned with adrenaline and Murphy rearing his head then anything else, training is paramount’ arguments over caliber make me chuckle! Most people who never sent a pill down range get caught up in ballistic politics’ thanks Sarge for putting the video out! Well done on the finer points!
Great video! The other advantage that a 45 ACP gives you, along with knockdown power, is they are generally subsonic with lower pressure, which translates into them not being as loud as a 9mm, 40, or 10mm.
Hey Sarge, gotta ask: What's your opinion of the 10 mm (in a 1911 platform, of course)? This caliber seems to give you a range of power options. At the top end, Buffalo Bore's 220 grain moving at 1295 fps gives a TKO of 16.28 (if my math is correct). Given this, would you still prefer the 45 acp over the 10 mm and why?
I own several 1911 pistols and a few 9mm poly micro pistols.The convenience of light carry is the only reason I have my 9mm pistols. I have always felt the 45 is superior.I remember the day I bought my first 9mm . When I opened up the box of ammo I couldn’t believe how small the bullets looked! Excellent video. Well done.
Sir I completely agree with you. I have been involved in things where the 45 and 9 mm was used on certain individuals in justified use of force. The 45 acp does a lot better job. The reason everyone thinks 9 mm is because of ammunition capacity and politics. Personally I can shoot a 45 acp better than the 9mm. I’m a 1911 man. People will argue with me. Now I deal with 4 legged critters and I use a 45 because it puts animals down humanely. A 9 mm is a ineffective round if you don’t shoot them in the brain. 9 mm punches little holes and doesn’t distribute energy well even with hollow points. I rely on 45 acp for everything.
But sarge my wussy hands can’t handle the 45🤣…just kidding, nice video I just started getting back to 45, got a Springfield milspec that I’m working on to make it peachy? Considering getting a commander size but heard to many complaints about it, guess there is only one way to find out.👍
My way of thinking also. But I have a question for you. Looking for my first 1911. What would you recommend? I know they range from 600$- to what ever you’re pocket book can afford but just looking for a good dependable and accurate one?
I prefer the 45 Auto myself. I agree with all your points. I must say that I carry one because it makes me feel like I have a real connection to the past. I carry a Dan Wesson 5”, amd I keep an old Winchester 1894 in 32 special under the seat.
Growing up, my Dad taught us shot placement was key, and more rounds are not always better. I joined the military at 17. I was trained with the 1911. When I got out of the service, I bought my Colt 1911a1. At 21, I became a cop. Back at that time we were not allowed to carry a .45 Acp. So I bought and carried a Ruger .357 Magnum. I shot well with it, and with new grips it fit me great. Then came the big switch, and they wanted us all to carry a 9mm. I bought a S&W model 39 single stack. I carried it just a short time, but it didn't fit me as well, and I scored better with my Ruger, so I went back to my .357 Mag. I could have bought a S&W Model 59, double stack but didn't like the feel of it either. Then everybody was carrying a Berretta 92. So, I bought one of those. I actually liked and I shot ok with it. But I still shot better with my Ruger, and my 1911a1. Still not allowed to carry my .45 Acp on duty, I carried it as my EDC off duty and still do, once in a while today almost 50 years later. I still hear my dad teaching me, "Round Placement is the key, over more rounds son". I still own my Colt 1911a1, my Ruger Security Six, and my Beretta 92. But I still like my Colt first for the same reasons you mention here.
Hi. .45 full size or commander 1911s are the way to go for the average healthy guy. But what about the older guys..70 yo or more? Would you suggest a 9 mm pistol or a .38 revolver?
Depends on hand strength. A 38 revolver is often easier to load. A 357 is nice because it is a little heavier than a 38, but you can still shoot 38 in the the 357 so recoil is lessened
I'm going to tell you what a fellow "old guy" told me. Go out and try what you think you can handle first and foremost. Depends on hand strength. I know a fellow who is deadly with a .22 Now he is in his 80's but he doesn't venture out a lot and never a night alone. I'm 60 and in good shape still so I still can tote around anything I'm comfortable using. But as I age I'll have to adapt. Only 9mm rounds I like are the heavy 135-147 gr. But out of a 4 inch barrel. My 2 cents.
Thank you for telling the truth about 45 vs 9. I am 76 years old been carrying a handgun every day sense I was 21. Retired from major law enforcement agency. Did specialized work for several government agencies. seen numerous gun shot victims and caused of few myself. you are dead on.
Thanks Dan. I think it is the inexperienced that believe all the 9mm hype. They don't practice and can control a 9mm so they think the polymer 9 is the answer. Those who know, know for a reason. Stay safe
Love my Colt Commander in .45 ACP. Also love my other 1911's in 9mm. My answer has always been an enthusiastic "Both!" Because of the reasons you stated about the "me too" caliber gang, in a SHTF scenario there will be plenty of 9mm available for scavenging.
The first pistol I bought was a 1911 45acp. My dad was in the Korean War and he carried a 1911 45acp because he said it had knockdown power. I love the 45acp it’s a badass round. Thank you for clarifying about the 45acp!
Totally agree. 45 does a bigger punch but the punch is slow and smooth, even pleasant I would say. 9 mm especially in P+ is fast, rough, dont like it .
You’re right on. The 1911 is a “defensive”, stop them cold piece. In the trenches, you bet. It’s not meant to be an “offensive” weapon. That’s what your rifle is for. Lots of rounds there for good or poor shots.
At handgun velocities, I want the biggest piece of metal that I can throw at the other guy. That is why I still like both 45 and the 40. Thanks for the work you do on all your videos.
It isn't about the size of the metal, it's about how the body responds to being shot and according to that, 9mm and 45 are roughly equal. This is why 5.56 is superior to 7.62x39 on humans; it's far faster and causes special physical effects, going beyond the hydrostatic equilibrium of the human body resulting in explosive cavitation aka exploding in a pile of mush
God bless you sir, so happy I subscribed. I've carried 9mm, 40 and 45, and I always come back to the .45 ACP. I currently carry the P220 but looking at getting a 1911. SGT1911, can you recommend a quality 1911 that I can carry everyday? Not looking for a safe queen, thanks.
Great video, TKOF was a consistent way to compare and I noted your comment on 22lr. I have been a fan of 22 for years and more recently, 22 mag. However. the subsonic speed of the 45 is worth the choice because it does not have the sonic boom . It also doesn't fly through 5 houses before it comes to a stop. I think it would be a great match with a mini 30 chambered in 300 black out, also subsonic. Thinking out loud, Its a lot easier to hide gunfire at the house if no one can hear it...I am a medic and have been for a while and I concur with the surgeon. I've seen more fatalities with .22lr than i have with 9mm. 45 acp will be the house and truck gun for all the aforementioned reasons.
.45acp 1-2 shots 40S&W 2-3 shots 9mm 3-5 shots if it starts out big it only gets bigger and more chance to disrupt tissue. The human body is elastic but permanent wound damage will be larger.
Dang it Sarge you're not just a pretty face, you got shmarts as well! 👍After watching too many of the 9mm vs 45acp videos I have to say that this one is the best. Thank you. I would like to ask you what is your favorite US military rifle?
Today I watched your show for the first time. Love the explanation. I've been a 1911 fan. Boy. Since I was in the military in the 70s and 30 years of law enforcement . I carry an officer's model everywhere I go.
I really enjoyed your style of story telling, and the Taylor Knockout Formula explanation. The biggest takeaway from these debates is to use what works best for you. An important thing to consider with these debates, is the weight and type of bullet. A .45 ACP hollow point at 230 grains at standard pressure is far less likely to expand like it’s 9mm 124 grain counterpart. Furthermore, it is important to consider, for reasons of life and liberty, the ammunition type of whatever group that choose to work with, if any. Also, availability of said ammunition. Based on this presentation, I’d say the best choice is a 10mm Auto, not considering price of acquisition or availability.
I heard a guy who works for Hornady say they can manufacture a projectile to do whatever you want it to, including expand at lower pressures and speed.
That Taylor KD scale seems off to me. I am no scientist, but as I am aware, bullet energy increases more with an increase of velocity than mass because velocity is squared whereas mass is linearly calculated. I don't know if that makes sense, but I don't see that reflected in Taylor's formula.
I believe there are more arguments concerning this subject than can be counted. This one does at least provide some consistent method of measurement. It Is better than simply arguing "because they don't make a 46" The one thing I am sure about is the number of views the video has gotten in such a short time. Thanks for watching.
Good points, Sarge. I have a few "micro" or "compact" 9mms I use in the spring/summer time, but I carry larger calibers in the fall/winter when it is easier (for me) to conceal a larger frame. I am going to be buying my first 1911 shortly after watching your videos & recommendations. Looking forward to my first .45! Just my 2 cents, but I think the best gun is the one that will be carried. I'd rather have a .22 in my pocket than a 30-06 in the safe. With that said, I think folks should carry the largest caliber they can personally shoot well. Keep up the great work on the videos!
You should seriously look at the Tisas 1911 45 military reproduction. For around $400 it is fabulous. I have had mine a few months now. Have run at least 500 rounds thru it and not one FTF or FTE. Small military sights which when you learn how to use them are great. A basic 1911 at personal protection short distances is point to shoot anyway and is what it was designed for. Perfect balance, great knockdown power and has performed for the military for almost 100 years
@John Webb It's well worth the extra $50 to buy a Rock Island 1911 instead of the Tisas. I own both, and I'd trust my life to the Rock Island, but I wouldn't carry the Tisas with the same confidence. Rock Island's line of 1911 models are WAY better built and fitted.
Excellent topic Nolan & well said Sgt 1911. I did an informal study of these 2 at my house. I actually own more 9s than .45s. The 9s were easier find/count because they were all in the safe. It took me a while though to round up the .45s: 1 was on my hip, another on the nightstand, another in the truck, etc...
I have read stats on bullet speed actually being one of the failures of the Taylor calculation when comparing the FMJ bullet. For instance, if the 9mm round moving at 1150 fps actually goes through the target faster with less cavitation than slower larger rounds like 45 ACP moving at 870 fps. can you detail this data as to whether it is accurate or not? BTW, I like both rounds but carry a single stack .45 for CC.
Interesting video SGT. I have used a 45 in 1911 in my career. It was always an effective round. According to data the fatality of a 9mm is effective to about 100 yds. However, the 45 acp is fatal to about 150 yds., according to foot pounds of energy. An astute observer should see that maybe there is something to a larger diameter & heavier bullet! Keep up the good videos!👍😊🇺🇸
@@SGT1911 a hunting guide I believe his name was Steven Hicks was sentenced to jail time. He was located in the Anchorage Area. Do you recall the name of your guide on your last hunt?
@@harrydexter8426 Yeah, that was. Ot his name. I have hunted different places in Alaska a few tines before this last time was my only bad trip. Thanks for asking
@@harrydexter8426 sounds like a real winner... he had to know better just did not care or too lazy. Some hunters may have talked. Even the hunters knwk they must have a guide if non-resident. But, what is meant by having a guide? 50 feet, 5 miles?
I like the 45 ACP. I often carry one. However, JMB originally intended his pistol to be chambered in the 38 ACP. Which he created in 1897. It is basically the equivalent of modern day 9mm: 115 grain at 1150fps. The army wanted a cartridge capable of stopping horses. They wanted the equivalent of a 45 Colt which they had successfully used in the past. JMB therefore, invented the 45 ACP to duplicate 45 Colt loadings at that time, which he accomplished. He had to enlarge his pistol to accommodate the larger round. It was then discovered that this larger pistol, utilizing the case of the 38 ACP could withstand much higher pressure, and yielded the 38 Super which was far superior to any pistol cartridge of that time. They were running 130 grains at close to 1300 FTPS. This pistol was used to shoot through car doors, driven by gangsters, which the 45 often failed to do. The 38 Super was, and still is, a fantastic cartridge in a 1911 platform. The 45 didn’t have the penetration of the Super or the 9mm. Along comes the 357 magnum, and America’s preference for revolvers, and that was that. Having said all of that, the 45 ACP has become a far more versatile cartridge than the 38 Super or the 9mm. It can be loaded from 120 grains at 1420 FTPS up to 255 grains at 925 FTPS with factory loads. All with the same pistol. That’s amazing really, especially for an auto loader. One can also run 45 Supers through it if needed for animals that bite back. That’s why I like it, and carry the 45 often. The 9mm is more than adequate for self defense against people, is much less expensive ammunition wise, has a million different pistols and sizes to chose from, is much easier for many to shoot well, and in general, has far greater capacity. Which is why my house gun is a full-size double stack 9mm with 20 rounds in the magazine. But, I live in the mountains. So, when I go out, I often carry my 45. I have one mag loaded 120 grain moving at 1420 and one magazine of hard cast 255 grains moving at 920. We have a literal ton of bears, including in my yard, but no grizzly bears. When hunting with pistols, I may use a 357 magnum or a 44 magnum. But, the 45 is easier to carry, conceal, and shoot well for me for everyday purposes. Thanks for the video.
Great video, I have a USP45 myself and I shoot it as well as my glock 19. Unfortunately, I am in California and we are limited to 10 round magazines. It is a no brainer when it comes to 10 rounds of 45 acp and 10 rounds of 9mm. Carrying the gun ofc is a different story but nothing that can’t be worked around.
I agree 100% with everything you said. I didn't even factor in the TKOF before reaching the same conclusion you did. I went off of the fact that back in 1904 the U.S. Army conducted the Thompson and LaGarde tests which is the only test to date where they actually shot something living with the various calibers they tested. After having shot several cattle in the exact same area under the exact same conditions they discovered repeatedly that it took 2 to 3 times more 9mm Luger rounds to equal the same effects as one .45 caliber round. There was no over-penetration by any of the calibers so all "useable" energy was dumped into the animals. On paper the 9mm actually had more calculated kinetic energy than the .45 caliber rounds yet that didn't matter. The overall diameter difference was .10" between the 2 rounds so that is not a factor of "2 to 3 times". The only factor that made the .45 caliber double that of the 9mm was the overall mass/weight. It would appear that momentum plays a pretty big role. People have always had the perception that the .45 ACP hits harder from combat to guys shooting steel plates and bowling pins and it doesn't matter what bullet design is used either because design doesn't change the overall mass only the shape. There's way too much evidence out there that points to the heavier slugs having a big advantage over smaller calibers regardless of designs for me to buy into the current marketing campaign being used to sell the 9mm. Gel blocks don't respond like the living and the FBI even said they don't have a way to test the actual effects of kinetic energy or momentum on anything living.
Forgive me for asking this question, but I am actually curious and I have not seen any information to answer it. I know that 9 mm has a better penetration through hard targets due to its speed, but how does it compare to the .45 ACP when moving through fluid or soft material like a fleshy target? Do they travel the same distance through such a medium? Does one more efficiently transfer its energy?
I watched a video this week which was supposed to be a replication of the FBI test. Both the 9mm and 45 traveled the same distance through 10% jell. the 45 just made twice as big of a hole. Bigger holes leak more
Thank you SGT. For me, I shoot the government sized 1911 in .45 acp best. I carry the government sized 1911 in .45 acp because I can shoot it well and it has been a successful round for 111 years.
My EDC is still the 357 magnum. The 357 is famous for it's One Shot Knock Down Power. I Hand Load for the 357 so this adds to it's versatility even more. Hp's , Anti-Personal loadings. 158 grain Lead SWC loads for Hunting, these work well on Feral Hogs and Deer, 125 grain SWC do a real number on Groundhogs. It is a Plus to have and Handgun and Rifle that use the same ammo. Revolver w/ 4 in Barrel and a Scoped Rifle with a 22 in Barrel.
Just shot my sr1911 for the first time today. I have to say I’m in love. Coming from shooting strictly 9mm , shooting the 45 was refreshingly awesome. You can feel the power in every shot. But it’s wasn’t overwhelming. The recoil was still manageable. I shot 1.5-2 inch groups from 30ft. I think I found my new favorite caliber ! What are your thoughts on the G30 as a EDC?
Try reading “The Thompson-LaGarde Report” that came out in 1903. The final sentence of which was, “The Board was of the opinion that a bullet which will have the shock effect and stopping power at short ranges necessary for a military pistol or revolver should have a caliber not less than .45.”
Great video- I love the 9mm and 45 ACP equally for different reasons and uses. However, my favorite part of the video was the knock down power “slides” and the surgeon story you shared. When you said that only one person survived a 45… my jaw dropped lol
SGT. My wife loves 9mm and 380 because she is more accurate with those rounds. Quite honestly I have extra large hands and I have always been able to control the recoil in 45 acp. I tried 9 mm and went thru over 12 different types of 9mm firearms and always found myself right back where I started 45 acp. I don't knock anyone who perfers 9mm 380, 40 s&w, 10mm, or even 22 LR. I just know for myself I'm dancing with 45acp at the prom, the nightclub, the engagement party, and the wedding. Loved the video, so continue to keep educating young, as well as older, inquiring minds. Peace✌️
I like what you said in this video but there’s a lot of cases and I know it’s less then 9mm but but there’s a bunch of cases where people surviving several shots to the body and in the face and still continue to be in the fight after getting shot by a 45, it comes down to shot placement and yea the more stopping power the better “odds” you have but the human body is very unpredictable like glass , some break easy while other take forever to break but this video explains it good , and I like the formula you did it makes more sense when you put it that way , awesome video 👍🏽
I agree with you. Heard of 16 times hit with the cute little 9 before he went down. As is said I shoot a a 45 because shooting twice or more is silly and expensive.
I am with you and Sgt York. I never even shot a 9mm. The 45 shoots so well that I have only been tempted to change by the 10mm but I don't live in grizzly country so I stayed with the 45acp. Take a look at the Taylor knock down factor for Buffalo Boar's 255 grain hardcast in 45acp. It will punch 45 inches into any black bear.
What i like about the Taylor knock down factor is that the math is just a quantitative way of explaining what a real big game expert hunter saw in his lifetime. People often argue its not an accurate way to express ft/lbs of energy and its not supposed to be, it’s all about how much impacting lead will lead to knock out based on real world experience and the math is just a clever way of comparing bullets. 45acp , 338 lapua, 50 bmg and 458 socom are perfect examples of real military use and need for a heavy hitter where a small light bullet didn’t do the job adequately . I live in Alaska and the Taylor knock down factor definitely explains Alaskans choice of pistols and hunting rifles.
I’m 100% on board with your assessments. Also, if they hate 1911s, there is a 13-round Glock 21 • 45 ACP. Lastly, Liberty Civil Defense 45 ACP is a sight to behold.
Amen, I have both but carry the .45 1911 and I pray I never have to use either of them; but feel safer with the .45. It’s all about the energy delivery.
Sarge, first off I have to say I enjoyed this video. Also I like the .45 a lot too and often carry one.. But I think some of your points are debatable. For me the biggest one was your use of Taylor Knockout Factor as "proof". TKOF was formulated by a man who was known mainly as an elephant hunter. To this day I'm sure this formula works well for hunting dangerous game with hard cast solids. But I think this is outdated for handguns. For military use ammo maybe, but I think for self-defense against 2-legged predators, that the 45 has perhaps a 5 to 10% edge in "knockdown power" (with good ammunition choices) over a 9mm. Which definitely changes the stopping power to capacity ratio, of say 16 rounds of 9mm vs 9 rounds of .45..
I am aware Taylor was a big game hunter. I also think there is no buggr game than a human. You make a good point but the target is not part of the calculation in any form, and thus irrelevant. If somehow we included the mass or density of the target in the calculation there would be a different story. Something to ponder. Thanks for commenting and thanks for watching
I want to say I appreciate that this is an opinion video. I appreciate the view points here. I carry all kinds of guns from .22 to .45 I like to think of having various guns for various occasions. Occasions that differ from each other. Like Secondary/back up firearm vs primary firearm Offensive hand gun vs defense handgun. Back up carry vs primary carry Winter carry vs summer carry Deep carry vs open carry To name a few. The .45 has its place The 10mm has its place The 9mm has its place as well And the humble .22 lr also has its place. So much is forgotten about firearm context. And the variables in so many different situations. In my opinion it’s better to talk about the right tool for the specific job and that includes all the calibers.
100% agree. I have witnessed a one round 22lr KIA. Depending on the occasion or location, 22 can be king. This video was limited to 45 vs 9mm. It could have included many others and also just knock-down power.
I fully agree with the logic. I have both 9mm and 45 ACP and I prefer the .45 as well. We could keep going into .357 mag where the shock factor goes way up beyond the 10mm however, the expansion is explosive and messy. The .44 mag is too much for defense. Pass throughs are almost certain, so it's a bad idea!
I am 57 years old, I remember back in the 1980s reading Guns and Ammo, every issue had a new "wonder nine", I tried a Ruger P-85, a S&W Model 59, a Beretta, and a few others. Then the FBI shootout happened and the 9mms started losing some appeal. There was a book written by a couple of police officers called "Handgun Stopping Power". Number 1 was the .357mag with 125 grain JHP, number two was the .45ACP with a 185 grain JHP and number 3 was 9mm+p with 124 grain JHP. There was only about 1.5 or 2% split between the top 3 spots in one shot stops. I have been a 1911 fan since I was a child watching John Wayne in "The Sands of Iwo Jima", I have several 1911s and one is usually with me every day. I think the only place the .45 is lacking for me is penetration with a good JHP. If I am out in the woods, I usually take a .357 and leave the .45 in the pack in the truck.
Great video... I agree with you. I like the 9 mm for range time... It's cheaper... Same reason military chose SIG for new pistols... For EDC I choose/use 45 ACP. For home defense I choose/use 45 ACP.
Awesome! I´ shooting a 9mm (Walther PDP Full size 5") for combat, a 1911 in .45acp for fun and a Smith & Wesson 686 plus deluxe in .357mag for great shooting... but I like the .45acp the most (Ruger sr1911).
Thank you very much. Sometimes I get tired of the recliner rangers and smart asses and then I get a comment like this from you. It makes my day. Thanks for watching .shoot safe
Interesting what you said at the end of the video about survivability. I personally know two guys who were shot with a 9mm and survived, body shots that is. On guy took one round through the chest, the other 9 rounds through the torso, Today the 9 shot guy carries a Glock in .357mag. Wont go near a 9mm, good arguments you had there. cheers.
I’ve been saying the same thing for years. The bullet advancement in 9mm didn’t happen in a bubble the same advancement happened in all calibers. The 45 acp is my favorite caliber unfortunately the arthritis in my hands favorite caliber is 9mm. But the 1911 is still my favorite platform.
The Army taught me the joys of the .45 a long time ago. After I got out, a cop I knew once told me that prisons are full of guys with 9 mm holes in them, but not so many with .45 holes. That said, I currently own two 9mm, one .40, and one .45. My normal EDC is the .40 while the .45 usually takes the role of the beside protector; however it gets to ride on my hip probably as often as the 9s do. LOVE my .45. And for everyone touting the great improvement of 9mm ammo, they make the very same ammo in the other calibers, also. HOOAH
Everyone wants to carry a 9mm but in an emergency they'd rather have a .45. The best chance is that you'll never have to use a gun to defend yourself, and the second chance is that the attacker will be discouraged when he realizes you're not an easy target because you're armed... and walk away. So it's best to own and carry the gun you like to use most at the gun club. Eng. RF
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This was so educational. As a fairly new gun owner I have a 9mm and a 45 acp. Thanks for the video.
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I've used 45ACP, 9mm, and 357Mag to stop criminals. All 3 were effective. For years I EDC'd a 5" 1911 and those are still my favorite pistols. But I switched to a G19 many years ago for EDC. For 1 or 2 bad guys I'd prefer a 45. For more I'd prefer the 9 because I can get more rounds on target more accurately and more quickly. The difference in weight is major. If I know I'll have to fight I'll skip it all and bring a long gun. If, like the military I were restricted to the use of FMJs, I'd switch back to 45. Finally, maybe one guy doesn't think 9mm kills bad guys. There are many documented fatal shootings by police agencies using 124gr 9mm+P Gold Dots. Carry whatever you like but understand that no pistol service caliber is a lightning bolt. You have to place your shot.
I agree 100% I witnessed a single 22lr do the job. Thanks for watching
Agree with you Sarge. Carried a 1911 in Nam and I still do, loaded with 45 ACP. Thank you.
Can't beat it
Thank you for your service, as a combat medic, in nam, we were issued the 1911, and i, like u have carried it ever since. I only carry the 230 grain fmj.
@@Lucky-mn6vcanyone who had have to use one has confidence it will do the job. All others we question. Thanks for watching
Carried that with the pig. 68 Black Virgin Mountain AO.
Hooah!
Dear SGT.... besides being my favorite cartridge caliber and the most pleasant for me to shoot, you now give me one another reason to have the .45 ACP and my 1911's on top of my preferences. Thank you!
Thanks for watching. Shoot safe
Hey Sgt I think most people shoot 9mm because they know they need more rounds cause they can't shoot for 💩. You hear how police have a shootout and blast dozens of rounds and hit the person 3x. If you train with your weapon and learn to be proficient then all you need is a 1911. Thanks for the info stay well Sgt.
@@nelsondejesus7846 i agree with you a good marksmanship is a must in a real life situations i was once watching a Navy seal video and the instructor was describing that sometimes you dont have time to aim and the the best thing to neutralize the threat you have to point the gun on that direction of the threat and sometimes you wonder that even 18 to 20 round capacity is not enough when death is hovering above your head Jesus those real combatant stories are Educational
@@nelsondejesus7846 there was an article I read a while ago, and I don't remember where I found it, but it suggested that in general, an officer will empty his weapon in the attempt to resolve a situation requiring deadly force. In the case of the .38 caliber revolver, it meant 3-6 shots. After the adoption of higher capacity semi-automatics (and I believe the article was presenting a case AGAINST adopting semi-autos for this reason), we see the number of rounds fired in officer involved shootings skyrocket. Likely, this is because the officer is still emptying his weapon to resolve the issue. This, of course, is in line with your assessment that higher capacity is a crutch for lack of marksmanship, as it means that the officer may not even be trying to aim his shots and simply pulling the trigger as many times as he can while directing the muzzle of his service pistol in the direction of the suspect, and praying he goes down.
Also, there was this quote by Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, “It has never been clear to me why increased magazine capacity in a defensive pistol is particularly choice. The bigger the magazine the bigger the gun, and the bigger the gun the harder it is to get hold of for people with small hands. And what, pray, does one need all those rounds for? How many lethal antagonists do you think you are going to be able to handle? Once when Bruce Nelson was asked by a suspect if the thirteen-round magazine in the P35 was not a big advantage, Bruce’s answer was, “Well, yes, if you plan to miss a lot.” The highest score I know of at this time achieved by one man against a group of armed adversaries was recorded in (of all places) the Ivory Coast! There, some years ago, a graduate student of mine laid out five goblins, with four dead and one totaled for the hospital. Of course there is the episode of Alvin York and his eight, but there is some dispute about that tale. (If you read it over very carefully you will see what I mean.) Be that as it may, I see no real need for a double column magazine. It is all the rage, of course, and like dual air bags, it is a popular current sales gimmick.”
Thanks for this video sarge! This was a breath of fresh air. Taylor knockdown factor should be taken into consideration more than just terminal ballistics. I’ve given this analogy before. Would you rather get hit by a real fast 115lb guy? Or would you rather get hit by a slower, 230 lb linebacker? Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. I can’t understand why that concept goes out the window when it comes to bullet weight. Long live the 45 ACP and John Moses browning, 230 grains of AMERICA!
Right on Nolan
It's not that it gets thrown out "when it comes to bullet weight" it gets thrown out by the "experts" when it comes to handguns. Stopping power is a very real thing in dangerous and large game hunting but is a myth apparently when it comes to handguns and self defense.
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@@swiftbear pistol caliber rounds shot from a handgun do not have enough velocity to stretch a wound cavity further than what elastic human tissues can take without tearing. Part of what makes big rifle rounds so devastating in the first place is because BELOW 2100-2500 FPS, you would still make a hole in your target that is about the same size as the bullet. But if you shoot those rounds above 2100-2500 FPS, you start getting such violent expansion of the wound cavity that all the tissue surrounding the path of the bullet is stretched beyond its limit. Also, modern rifle rounds are designed to yaw and flip when impacting a soft target, which can also cause them to fragment and create multiple wound channels in random directions. A handgun can achieve none of these things except poke a hole in something that will be about the same size of the bullet, even if it yaws.
@@rondobrondo Your argument only sees velocity as the means of bullet effectiveness. Larger diameter and heavier bullets is what stops threats, it destroys tissue, bone and organs from the bullet itself. Velocity is just a bonus.
Excellent video!
Didn't know about the Taylor Knockout Factor formula, learn something every day!
I carry a Glock 21 for duty and a 45ACP pistol (either a Glock or 1911) as my EDC-CCW.
As a firearms instructor, I have had MANY of these 9mm vs 45ACP discussions and these are my thoughts:
If FMJ bullets are used, the .4515 or .452 inch bullet in 45ACP is obviously larger diameter than the .355 inch 9mm bullet, so there is more tissue damage even without expansion.
With good JHP defensive loads, in our ballistic gel tests, the 45ACP averages .77 to .79 inches in diameter, whereas the 9mm averages .6 to .65 inches in diameter.
The temporary wound cavity as well as the permanent wound cavity for a 45ACP is much better than a 9mm.
Yes, there is more felt recoil and muzzle flip with the 45ACP than there is with the 9mm, but that can be overcome with training and practice.
And yes, 9mm pistols typically hold more rounds than the 45ACP, but it will typically take more hits with a 9mm to subdue a subject than a 45ACP (and yes bullet placement counts).
15 years ago I would not recommend a 9mm as a defensive caliber, but after bullet manufacturers redesigned their bullets and powders to improve its performance, I do now recommend it. Although, personally I still prefer the 45ACP.
Our agency is going to switch over to a 9mm Glock because the FBI switched over and will be required to carry a 9mm.
Suck to carry a Glock, in my opinion. But it is a dependable handgun. Stay Safe
my department recently swapped out our Glock 21's for the Glock 45's in 9mm to make is easier and cheaper to train the applicants we have been getting these days. I've been at this for 35+ years and have gone from .45 to .38sp+p to 9mm to .45 and now back to 9mm. Of the plastic guns the M&P 45 was the most comfortable grip wise. My preference has always been the 45/44 caliber.
what would you recommend instead of a glock , thank you @@SGT1911
@@GhostShura1984 HK, Shadow Systems, Smith & Wesson. CANIK. almost anything
I see you are not a Glock fan. Either was I. Until I got my hands on a Glock 41. With a 5.3" barrell chambered in 45 with light and optics capability and 13+1 rounds at only 23 oz, it makes a good bedside weapon. Also, if you read the blog by the guy who makes Buffalo Bore and has experience with big/dangerous game, he also advocates the Taylor KF@@SGT1911
I agree with you completely! One hits like a Ford Pinto the other hits like a Mac truck!
Excatly
I was trained with the .45 acp in the Military and learned about a soldier taking out a German machine gun squad , there were 6 machine gunners , the soldier did it with a single magazine full of 230gr Ball ammo , That's amazing !
All you need is balls...both 230 grain and man size. Thanks for watching
I’m sorry to burst your bubble but what you heard was probably morale boosting propaganda and nothing else. In no realistic world is it even remotely realistic that one man kills 6 machine gunners with one pistol bullet each. This scenario is far fetched even for a movie.
@Mystic ToMato Bull shit. Alvin York and Audie Murphy beg to differ
@@SGT1911 Not bullshit at all. It was heavily inflated for propaganda purposes and I can’t believe that people are actually believing things like these. The original war record only stated that Alvin shot a couple of them with his pistol. It didn’t mention anything about him killing 6 of them with one magazine. That was probably created after or during the war to boost the morale. The US military is well known for creating propaganda stories in order to boost the morale of its soldiers. It does so often. They tried to fabricate a story of how their “super tank” in WW2 took out a German King Tiger and it was revealed not long after that it was a fabricated story and the tank that they actually took out was a much weaker Panzer 4. I am not trying to discredit anyone here but you should be aware that the US Army is one big propaganda outlet and you shouldn’t blindly believe everything they say.
And it takes 15 9mm rounds to do the same?
Aaaand SUBSCRIBED! I shoot both 9mm mainly for cost and there’s more variety of platforms. 45acp is actually 12.1mm and you punch a hole in em with it and that cavity is not closing back up! Sucks it’s approaching 50cents a shot for cheap stuff!
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Integrative Preparedness on Patreon shared this video. Fantastic presentation. Been a .45 guy for 37 years. My 34 year old Springfield 1911 was having some hiccups, and I bought a Sig M18. I tried a Beretta 92FS in the 80's, sweet shooter, passing fad. A friend who was a Ranger turned me on to .45's in the early 80's, in my opinion, one of the best platforms there is. I never felt short of ammo. I now have this 9mm, it's not bad, but I am saving for a Wilson Combat 1911, because at this age, why not.
Subscribing to your channel. Again, Fantastic presentation!
Thanks Bro. I carry a commander size 45 every day since 1980. Like you i never feel under-guned.
That aint fair
I have been rolling with a Ruger Vaquero 3-1/2 inch barrel birds head for a sidearm while hunting’ I will tell you this’ it puts 4 legged critters down just dandy’ I love the 9mm for a CCW weapon and in a Carbine length weapon it hits hard and packs the knockdown power needed in the hotter loadings’ I can hit what I shoot at so I’m not to concerned with what I have’ I’m more concerned with adrenaline and Murphy rearing his head then anything else, training is paramount’ arguments over caliber make me chuckle! Most people who never sent a pill down range get caught up in ballistic politics’ thanks Sarge for putting the video out! Well done on the finer points!
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The .45 is an adrenaline rush when firing for me! The 9mm is nice and smooth but lacks the "Bite" that has grown on me from the .45
It does bite. More like a dog than a bee. Thanks for watching
Great video! The other advantage that a 45 ACP gives you, along with knockdown power, is they are generally subsonic with lower pressure, which translates into them not being as loud as a 9mm, 40, or 10mm.
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I stumbled on your channel and absolutely love the content you cover. Keep bringing it Sarge!
I'll do that. Thanks for watching
Thank you sir I have always chosen the 45 I carry the Glock 30 sf very good for conceal carry. Your 100% correct 👍🏾
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Hey Sarge, gotta ask: What's your opinion of the 10 mm (in a 1911 platform, of course)? This caliber seems to give you a range of power options. At the top end, Buffalo Bore's 220 grain moving at 1295 fps gives a TKO of 16.28 (if my math is correct). Given this, would you still prefer the 45 acp over the 10 mm and why?
I have both. My preference is the 1911 comander size bobed pistol grip in 45, but I am equally as happy with the same pistol in 10mm. 9mm not as much.
Spot on. Women entering the ranks in the 1980s caused the 9mm phenomenon. Now, men want to be women. It’s a vicious cycle. .45 until I die. 😜
Right
Love the channel Sarge! I’m a .45 fan myself and won’t even think of a lesser caliber! Keep them coming brother!!
Thanks, and you keep watching
Shoot safe
I own several 1911 pistols and a few 9mm poly micro pistols.The convenience of light carry is the only reason I have my 9mm pistols. I have always felt the 45 is superior.I remember the day I bought my first 9mm . When I opened up the box of ammo I couldn’t believe how small the bullets looked! Excellent video. Well done.
I hear you
Sir I completely agree with you. I have been involved in things where the 45 and 9 mm was used on certain individuals in justified use of force. The 45 acp does a lot better job. The reason everyone thinks 9 mm is because of ammunition capacity and politics. Personally I can shoot a 45 acp better than the 9mm. I’m a 1911 man. People will argue with me. Now I deal with 4 legged critters and I use a 45 because it puts animals down humanely. A 9 mm is a ineffective round if you don’t shoot them in the brain. 9 mm punches little holes and doesn’t distribute energy well even with hollow points. I rely on 45 acp for everything.
You get it Bro. The 45 is not a game controller
But sarge my wussy hands can’t handle the 45🤣…just kidding, nice video I just started getting back to 45, got a Springfield milspec that I’m working on to make it peachy? Considering getting a commander size but heard to many complaints about it, guess there is only one way to find out.👍
@@gc641 I have many commanders. Never a problem. All I carry. Better for the wussy hands. 😁
My way of thinking also. But I have a question for you. Looking for my first 1911. What would you recommend? I know they range from 600$- to what ever you’re pocket book can afford but just looking for a good dependable and accurate one?
@@paulweaver6607 Springfielda and Sig
"I got one projectile knocking somebody on their ass". Well said, and thanks for posting!
Thanks for watching Paul
I prefer the 45 Auto myself. I agree with all your points. I must say that I carry one because it makes me feel like I have a real connection to the past. I carry a Dan Wesson 5”, amd I keep an old Winchester 1894 in 32 special under the seat.
32 win. Nice. I have several old winchester in various calibers, but not a 32
Growing up, my Dad taught us shot placement was key, and more rounds are not always better.
I joined the military at 17. I was trained with the 1911. When I got out of the service, I bought my Colt 1911a1. At 21, I became a cop. Back at that time we were not allowed to carry a .45 Acp. So I bought and carried a Ruger .357 Magnum. I shot well with it, and with new grips it fit me great.
Then came the big switch, and they wanted us all to carry a 9mm. I bought a S&W model 39 single stack. I carried it just a short time, but it didn't fit me as well, and I scored better with my Ruger, so I went back to my .357 Mag. I could have bought a S&W Model 59, double stack but didn't like the feel of it either.
Then everybody was carrying a Berretta 92. So, I bought one of those. I actually liked and I shot ok with it. But I still shot better with my Ruger, and my 1911a1. Still not allowed to carry my .45 Acp on duty, I carried it as my EDC off duty and still do, once in a while today almost 50 years later.
I still hear my dad teaching me, "Round Placement is the key, over more rounds son". I still own my Colt 1911a1, my Ruger Security Six, and my Beretta 92. But I still like my Colt first for the same reasons you mention here.
Shot placement will ways be #1. But hiw many times is shot placement perfect. Thanks for watching
Only when it counts...lol. Luckily in my military and law enforcement career's I never had to find out. Take care Sgt.
@@TheDukie54 Thanks for watching
Hi. .45 full size or commander 1911s are the way to go for the average healthy guy.
But what about the older guys..70 yo or more?
Would you suggest a 9 mm pistol or a .38 revolver?
Depends on hand strength. A 38 revolver is often easier to load. A 357 is nice because it is a little heavier than a 38, but you can still shoot 38 in the the 357 so recoil is lessened
I'm going to tell you what a fellow "old guy" told me. Go out and try what you think you can handle first and foremost. Depends on hand strength. I know a fellow who is deadly with a .22 Now he is in his 80's but he doesn't venture out a lot and never a night alone. I'm 60 and in good shape still so I still can tote around anything I'm comfortable using. But as I age I'll have to adapt. Only 9mm rounds I like are the heavy 135-147 gr. But out of a 4 inch barrel. My 2 cents.
Thank you for telling the truth about 45 vs 9. I am 76 years old been carrying a handgun every day sense I was 21. Retired from major law enforcement agency. Did specialized work for several government agencies. seen numerous gun shot victims and caused of few myself. you are dead on.
Thanks Dan. I think it is the inexperienced that believe all the 9mm hype. They don't practice and can control a 9mm so they think the polymer 9 is the answer. Those who know, know for a reason. Stay safe
Love my Colt Commander in .45 ACP. Also love my other 1911's in 9mm. My answer has always been an enthusiastic "Both!" Because of the reasons you stated about the "me too" caliber gang, in a SHTF scenario there will be plenty of 9mm available for scavenging.
this is why i have a Glock and a Glock clone. I can take someone's stuff if needed
The first pistol I bought was a 1911 45acp. My dad was in the Korean War and he carried a 1911 45acp because he said it had knockdown power. I love the 45acp it’s a badass round. Thank you for clarifying about the 45acp!
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Thank you. My thoughts exactly. Also, I find the recoil of the 45 is smooth where the 9mm is very bity. I have shot a lot of both.
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Totally agree. 45 does a bigger punch but the punch is slow and smooth, even pleasant I would say. 9 mm especially in P+ is fast, rough, dont like it .
I totally agree. I love my 1911! Which.45 ACP do you recommend for self defense?
I carry a commander size 1911 in 45 acp
You’re right on. The 1911 is a “defensive”, stop them cold piece. In the trenches, you bet. It’s not meant to be an “offensive” weapon. That’s what your rifle is for. Lots of rounds there for good or poor shots.
You got ir bro.
Can't say enough. THANKS. The King and Queen of all are still .45acp and .357 Mag.
You know it
At handgun velocities, I want the biggest piece of metal that I can throw at the other guy. That is why I still like both 45 and the 40. Thanks for the work you do on all your videos.
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It isn't about the size of the metal, it's about how the body responds to being shot and according to that, 9mm and 45 are roughly equal. This is why 5.56 is superior to 7.62x39 on humans; it's far faster and causes special physical effects, going beyond the hydrostatic equilibrium of the human body resulting in explosive cavitation aka exploding in a pile of mush
everyone has an opinion. Thanks for watching.
Great video sarge, is you use the numbers for the 185 grain at 1150 fps knock down becomes 13.74 lbs.
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God bless you sir, so happy I subscribed. I've carried 9mm, 40 and 45, and I always come back to the .45 ACP. I currently carry the P220 but looking at getting a 1911. SGT1911, can you recommend a quality 1911 that I can carry everyday? Not looking for a safe queen, thanks.
Springfield or Dan Wesson are safe choices. They can be $$ in some models others are cheaper. All are shooters
Glad you did the math, I ain’t got enough fingers to figure that out!
lol cell phone calculatoir
Great video, TKOF was a consistent way to compare and I noted your comment on 22lr. I have been a fan of 22 for years and more recently, 22 mag. However. the subsonic speed of the 45 is worth the choice because it does not have the sonic boom . It also doesn't fly through 5 houses before it comes to a stop. I think it would be a great match with a mini 30 chambered in 300 black out, also subsonic. Thinking out loud, Its a lot easier to hide gunfire at the house if no one can hear it...I am a medic and have been for a while and I concur with the surgeon. I've seen more fatalities with .22lr than i have with 9mm. 45 acp will be the house and truck gun for all the aforementioned reasons.
I have a mini in 300 and i must say i enjoy it. Thanks for the experience comment. I appreciate it. thanks for watching
How do Foot Pounds factor into the comparison of 9x19 v. .45 ACP v. 10mm?
@@rharrold devide your number by 7000. That is the foot lbs
@@SGT1911 Thanks, Sgt. P.S. Merry Christmas to you & I hope the New Year 2023 is well & good.
@@rharrold 👍
To your comment about the 22lr - a .45 (bigger diameter) also gives you more area and therefore a better chance to hit those vital areas
Damn SGT1911 this was a very informative video. It really gives you more perspective from a logical standpoint.
Thanks for watching David
.45acp 1-2 shots 40S&W 2-3 shots 9mm 3-5 shots if it starts out big it only gets bigger and more chance to disrupt tissue. The human body is elastic but permanent wound damage will be larger.
The bigger the hole, the bigger the flow.. blood flow that is
Dang it Sarge you're not just a pretty face, you got shmarts as well! 👍After watching too many of the 9mm vs 45acp videos I have to say that this one is the best.
Thank you. I would like to ask you what is your favorite US military rifle?
Modern, I have to say the scar. 1903 springfield, k98 mauser. All good
Today I watched your show for the first time. Love the explanation. I've been a 1911 fan. Boy. Since I was in the military in the 70s and 30 years of law enforcement . I carry an officer's model everywhere I go.
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The Sarge went there! Hilarious!! Love it👍
Why not? Thanks for watching
I have shot "things" with a 9mm, 10mm & 45. I will ALWAYS choose 10mm 1st followed CLOSELY by 45. 9 is a great back up to those.
9.mm back up sounds acceptable
I really enjoyed your style of story telling, and the Taylor Knockout Formula explanation. The biggest takeaway from these debates is to use what works best for you.
An important thing to consider with these debates, is the weight and type of bullet. A .45 ACP hollow point at 230 grains at standard pressure is far less likely to expand like it’s 9mm 124 grain counterpart.
Furthermore, it is important to consider, for reasons of life and liberty, the ammunition type of whatever group that choose to work with, if any. Also, availability of said ammunition. Based on this presentation, I’d say the best choice is a 10mm Auto, not considering price of acquisition or availability.
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I heard a guy who works for Hornady say they can manufacture a projectile to do whatever you want it to, including expand at lower pressures and speed.
@@ClergetMusic I’m sure they could, given the right circumstances.
That Taylor KD scale seems off to me. I am no scientist, but as I am aware, bullet energy increases more with an increase of velocity than mass because velocity is squared whereas mass is linearly calculated. I don't know if that makes sense, but I don't see that reflected in Taylor's formula.
I believe there are more arguments concerning this subject than can be counted. This one does at least provide some consistent method of measurement. It Is better than simply arguing "because they don't make a 46" The one thing I am sure about is the number of views the video has gotten in such a short time. Thanks for watching.
Good points, Sarge. I have a few "micro" or "compact" 9mms I use in the spring/summer time, but I carry larger calibers in the fall/winter when it is easier (for me) to conceal a larger frame. I am going to be buying my first 1911 shortly after watching your videos & recommendations. Looking forward to my first .45! Just my 2 cents, but I think the best gun is the one that will be carried. I'd rather have a .22 in my pocket than a 30-06 in the safe. With that said, I think folks should carry the largest caliber they can personally shoot well. Keep up the great work on the videos!
Well said
You should seriously look at the Tisas 1911 45 military reproduction. For around $400 it is fabulous. I have had mine a few months now. Have run at least 500 rounds thru it and not one FTF or FTE. Small military sights which when you learn how to use them are great. A basic 1911 at personal protection short distances is point to shoot anyway and is what it was designed for. Perfect balance, great knockdown power and has performed for the military for almost 100 years
@@johnwebb4191 I have a video on one here. Mine was junk. I do hear they are better now
@John Webb It's well worth the extra $50 to buy a Rock Island 1911 instead of the Tisas. I own both, and I'd trust my life to the Rock Island, but I wouldn't carry the Tisas with the same confidence. Rock Island's line of 1911 models are WAY better built and fitted.
@@Stroke-it-2-Handed 100% agree
Excellent topic Nolan & well said Sgt 1911. I did an informal study of these 2 at my house. I actually own more 9s than .45s. The 9s were easier find/count because they were all in the safe. It took me a while though to round up the .45s: 1 was on my hip, another on the nightstand, another in the truck, etc...
lol,, The ones you use we 45..
I have read stats on bullet speed actually being one of the failures of the Taylor calculation when comparing the FMJ bullet. For instance, if the 9mm round moving at 1150 fps actually goes through the target faster with less cavitation than slower larger rounds like 45 ACP moving at 870 fps. can you detail this data as to whether it is accurate or not? BTW, I like both rounds but carry a single stack .45 for CC.
I carry both. Depends on the occasion
Interesting video SGT. I have used a 45 in 1911 in my career. It was always an
effective round. According to data the fatality of a 9mm
is effective to about 100 yds.
However, the 45 acp is fatal
to about 150 yds., according to foot pounds of energy.
An astute observer should see that maybe there is something to a larger diameter & heavier bullet!
Keep up the good videos!👍😊🇺🇸
Stay safe Harry
@@SGT1911 a hunting guide I believe his name was Steven
Hicks was sentenced to jail
time. He was located in the Anchorage Area. Do you recall
the name of your guide on
your last hunt?
@@harrydexter8426 Yeah, that was. Ot his name. I have hunted different places in Alaska a few tines before this last time was my only bad trip. Thanks for asking
@@SGT1911 He was sentence to 6 months for several violations. As
I recall among the violations was
as a hunting guide leaving hunters
alone!
@@harrydexter8426 sounds like a real winner... he had to know better just did not care or too lazy. Some hunters may have talked. Even the hunters knwk they must have a guide if non-resident. But, what is meant by having a guide? 50 feet, 5 miles?
On hundred years of defending liberty and still going strong love this weapon 😊
100% right
I’ll take the 45 over the 9mm I don’t care about the amount they can carry
as I.. 45 ACP
Heard the exact same argument from a former special forces operator. Thanks for the video
The proof is in the pudding
I like the 45 ACP. I often carry one. However, JMB originally intended his pistol to be chambered in the 38 ACP. Which he created in 1897. It is basically the equivalent of modern day 9mm: 115 grain at 1150fps. The army wanted a cartridge capable of stopping horses. They wanted the equivalent of a 45 Colt which they had successfully used in the past. JMB therefore, invented the 45 ACP to duplicate 45 Colt loadings at that time, which he accomplished. He had to enlarge his pistol to accommodate the larger round. It was then discovered that this larger pistol, utilizing the case of the 38 ACP could withstand much higher pressure, and yielded the 38 Super which was far superior to any pistol cartridge of that time. They were running 130 grains at close to 1300 FTPS. This pistol was used to shoot through car doors, driven by gangsters, which the 45 often failed to do. The 38 Super was, and still is, a fantastic cartridge in a 1911 platform. The 45 didn’t have the penetration of the Super or the 9mm. Along comes the 357 magnum, and America’s preference for revolvers, and that was that. Having said all of that, the 45 ACP has become a far more versatile cartridge than the 38 Super or the 9mm. It can be loaded from 120 grains at 1420 FTPS up to 255 grains at 925 FTPS with factory loads. All with the same pistol. That’s amazing really, especially for an auto loader. One can also run 45 Supers through it if needed for animals that bite back. That’s why I like it, and carry the 45 often. The 9mm is more than adequate for self defense against people, is much less expensive ammunition wise, has a million different pistols and sizes to chose from, is much easier for many to shoot well, and in general, has far greater capacity. Which is why my house gun is a full-size double stack 9mm with 20 rounds in the magazine. But, I live in the mountains. So, when I go out, I often carry my 45. I have one mag loaded 120 grain moving at 1420 and one magazine of hard cast 255 grains moving at 920. We have a literal ton of bears, including in my yard, but no grizzly bears. When hunting with pistols, I may use a 357 magnum or a 44 magnum. But, the 45 is easier to carry, conceal, and shoot well for me for everyday purposes. Thanks for the video.
thanks for the info and thanks for watching
I have talked to a lot of convicts that's been shot with a 9 mm I never have talked to one it's got shot by 45
Point made. One and Done
Love my 1911s! .45 is my choice as well! No gonna say I don't own some 9s but the .45 is and always will be my choice! Great video as always!
Thanks MJ
The .45 is the Lords caliber!!!!👍👍
Totally agree brother my father having survived WW11 always told me one and done
Yeah man
Good video sgt. I have to confess i love my plastic 9's but this is food for thought. Thanks
Thanks David
Very good topics and very good video. Quite interesting! Thank you
Great video, I have a USP45 myself and I shoot it as well as my glock 19. Unfortunately, I am in California and we are limited to 10 round magazines. It is a no brainer when it comes to 10 rounds of 45 acp and 10 rounds of 9mm. Carrying the gun ofc is a different story but nothing that can’t be worked around.
I have been looking for a USP and haven't found one yet. Thanks for watching
@@SGT1911 it’s a phenomenal handgun. Good luck in your search 👍
@@Chris-iv7xu 👍
I agree 100% with everything you said. I didn't even factor in the TKOF before reaching the same conclusion you did. I went off of the fact that back in 1904 the U.S. Army conducted the Thompson and LaGarde tests which is the only test to date where they actually shot something living with the various calibers they tested. After having shot several cattle in the exact same area under the exact same conditions they discovered repeatedly that it took 2 to 3 times more 9mm Luger rounds to equal the same effects as one .45 caliber round. There was no over-penetration by any of the calibers so all "useable" energy was dumped into the animals. On paper the 9mm actually had more calculated kinetic energy than the .45 caliber rounds yet that didn't matter. The overall diameter difference was .10" between the 2 rounds so that is not a factor of "2 to 3 times". The only factor that made the .45 caliber double that of the 9mm was the overall mass/weight. It would appear that momentum plays a pretty big role. People have always had the perception that the .45 ACP hits harder from combat to guys shooting steel plates and bowling pins and it doesn't matter what bullet design is used either because design doesn't change the overall mass only the shape. There's way too much evidence out there that points to the heavier slugs having a big advantage over smaller calibers regardless of designs for me to buy into the current marketing campaign being used to sell the 9mm. Gel blocks don't respond like the living and the FBI even said they don't have a way to test the actual effects of kinetic energy or momentum on anything living.
I have only heard mention of the test you reference. Thanks for the comment. Thanks for watching
Forgive me for asking this question, but I am actually curious and I have not seen any information to answer it.
I know that 9 mm has a better penetration through hard targets due to its speed, but how does it compare to the .45 ACP when moving through fluid or soft material like a fleshy target?
Do they travel the same distance through such a medium? Does one more efficiently transfer its energy?
I watched a video this week which was supposed to be a replication of the FBI test. Both the 9mm and 45 traveled the same distance through 10% jell. the 45 just made twice as big of a hole. Bigger holes leak more
Thank you SGT. For me, I shoot the government sized 1911 in .45 acp best. I carry the government sized 1911 in .45 acp because I can shoot it well and it has been a successful round for 111 years.
100% right
My EDC is still the 357 magnum. The 357 is famous for it's One Shot Knock Down Power.
I Hand Load for the 357 so this adds to it's versatility even more.
Hp's , Anti-Personal loadings. 158 grain Lead SWC loads for Hunting, these work well on Feral Hogs and Deer, 125 grain SWC do a real number on Groundhogs.
It is a Plus to have and Handgun and Rifle that use the same ammo.
Revolver w/ 4 in Barrel and a Scoped Rifle with a 22 in Barrel.
There you go
Just shot my sr1911 for the first time today. I have to say I’m in love. Coming from shooting strictly 9mm , shooting the 45 was refreshingly awesome. You can feel the power in every shot. But it’s wasn’t overwhelming. The recoil was still manageable. I shot 1.5-2 inch groups from 30ft. I think I found my new favorite caliber !
What are your thoughts on the G30 as a EDC?
I am not a glock fan. You need to shoot what you shoot best. Shoot safe
Try reading “The Thompson-LaGarde Report” that came out in 1903. The final sentence of which was, “The Board was of the opinion that a bullet which will have the shock effect and stopping power at short ranges necessary for a military pistol or revolver should have a caliber not less than .45.”
Glad I found your site ! I subscribed. You got a lot of knowledge.🇺🇸👍
Thanks for the sub!
Thanks,totally agree with you!!!
Thanks for watching
Great video- I love the 9mm and 45 ACP equally for different reasons and uses. However, my favorite part of the video was the knock down power “slides” and the surgeon story you shared. When you said that only one person survived a 45… my jaw dropped lol
It is 100% true story. The man said it to my face. Thanks for watching
Amazing! Love your channel- one of the best on the tube! @@SGT1911
SGT. My wife loves 9mm and 380 because she is more accurate with those rounds. Quite honestly I have extra large hands and I have always been able to control the recoil in 45 acp. I tried 9 mm and went thru over 12 different types of 9mm firearms and always found myself right back where I started 45 acp. I don't knock anyone who perfers 9mm 380, 40 s&w, 10mm, or even 22 LR. I just know for myself I'm dancing with 45acp at the prom, the nightclub, the engagement party, and the wedding. Loved the video, so continue to keep educating young, as well as older, inquiring minds. Peace✌️
Thanks for watching
I like what you said in this video but there’s a lot of cases and I know it’s less then 9mm but but there’s a bunch of cases where people surviving several shots to the body and in the face and still continue to be in the fight after getting shot by a 45, it comes down to shot placement and yea the more stopping power the better “odds” you have but the human body is very unpredictable like glass , some break easy while other take forever to break but this video explains it good , and I like the formula you did it makes more sense when you put it that way , awesome video 👍🏽
Thanks for watching
A lot of nuggets of wisdom!! Listen carefully to the Sgt.!! Because is a lot to unpack. I subscribe and sending greetings from Chile!!
Thanks for watching, Bro. I appreciate it
I agree with you. Heard of 16 times hit with the cute little 9 before he went down. As is said I shoot a a 45 because shooting twice or more is silly and expensive.
100% right. A waste of ammo
Although I am admittedly a 10mm guy, I absolutely love my FN FNX 45 Tactical. 15 rounds of 45 acp!
Who wouldn't. Thanks for watching
I am with you and Sgt York. I never even shot a 9mm. The 45 shoots so well that I have only been tempted to change by the 10mm but I don't live in grizzly country so I stayed with the 45acp. Take a look at the Taylor knock down factor for Buffalo Boar's 255 grain hardcast in 45acp. It will punch 45 inches into any black bear.
Thanks for the comment, Richard. I will take a look
That trauma surgeon’s answer towards the end makes a good point
I believed him
What i like about the Taylor knock down factor is that the math is just a quantitative way of explaining what a real big game expert hunter saw in his lifetime. People often argue its not an accurate way to express ft/lbs of energy and its not supposed to be, it’s all about how much impacting lead will lead to knock out based on real world experience and the math is just a clever way of comparing bullets. 45acp , 338 lapua, 50 bmg and 458 socom are perfect examples of real military use and need for a heavy hitter where a small light bullet didn’t do the job adequately . I live in Alaska and the Taylor knock down factor definitely explains Alaskans choice of pistols and hunting rifles.
I hunt Alaska, and I get it. A pissed off brown bear will demonstrate the Taylor finding in a much more violent manner. Thanks for watching
...excellent video on a contentious subject...you showed us the numbers. Very clear and well done.
Thanks, Sarge, and thanks for watching
"Velocity and expansion are variables! Mass and cross section are constants!" The late Colonel Cooper
The man said it, Mass and cross section are constants!
I’m 100% on board with your assessments. Also, if they hate 1911s, there is a 13-round Glock 21 • 45 ACP. Lastly, Liberty Civil Defense 45 ACP is a sight to behold.
Thanks for watching
Amen, I have both but carry the .45 1911 and I pray I never have to use either of them; but feel safer with the .45. It’s all about the energy delivery.
You ARE safer. No bullseye required
Thanks for watching
Sarge, first off I have to say I enjoyed this video. Also I like the .45 a lot too and often carry one..
But I think some of your points are debatable. For me the biggest one was your use of Taylor Knockout Factor as "proof".
TKOF was formulated by a man who was known mainly as an elephant hunter. To this day I'm sure this formula works well for hunting dangerous game with hard cast solids. But I think this is outdated for handguns. For military use ammo maybe, but I think for self-defense against 2-legged predators, that the 45 has perhaps a 5 to 10% edge in "knockdown power" (with good ammunition choices) over a 9mm. Which definitely changes the stopping power to capacity ratio, of say 16 rounds of 9mm vs 9 rounds of .45..
I am aware Taylor was a big game hunter. I also think there is no buggr game than a human. You make a good point but the target is not part of the calculation in any form, and thus irrelevant. If somehow we included the mass or density of the target in the calculation there would be a different story. Something to ponder. Thanks for commenting and thanks for watching
I want to say I appreciate that this is an opinion video. I appreciate the view points here.
I carry all kinds of guns from .22 to .45
I like to think of having various guns for various occasions.
Occasions that differ from each other. Like
Secondary/back up firearm vs primary firearm
Offensive hand gun vs defense handgun.
Back up carry vs primary carry
Winter carry vs summer carry
Deep carry vs open carry
To name a few.
The .45 has its place
The 10mm has its place
The 9mm has its place as well
And the humble .22 lr also has its place. So much is forgotten about firearm context. And the variables in so many different situations. In my opinion it’s better to talk about the right tool for the specific job and that includes all the calibers.
100% agree. I have witnessed a one round 22lr KIA. Depending on the occasion or location, 22 can be king. This video was limited to 45 vs 9mm. It could have included many others and also just knock-down power.
@@SGT1911 thanks for responding my message! I look forward to seeing more of your content.
@@Magilla_Gorilla7.62x39 👍
I fully agree with the logic. I have both 9mm and 45 ACP and I prefer the .45 as well. We could keep going into .357 mag where the shock factor goes way up beyond the 10mm however, the expansion is explosive and messy. The .44 mag is too much for defense. Pass throughs are almost certain, so it's a bad idea!
Thanks for watching
I am 57 years old, I remember back in the 1980s reading Guns and Ammo, every issue had a new "wonder nine", I tried a Ruger P-85, a S&W Model 59, a Beretta, and a few others. Then the FBI shootout happened and the 9mms started losing some appeal. There was a book written by a couple of police officers called "Handgun Stopping Power". Number 1 was the .357mag with 125 grain JHP, number two was the .45ACP with a 185 grain JHP and number 3 was 9mm+p with 124 grain JHP. There was only about 1.5 or 2% split between the top 3 spots in one shot stops. I have been a 1911 fan since I was a child watching John Wayne in "The Sands of Iwo Jima", I have several 1911s and one is usually with me every day. I think the only place the .45 is lacking for me is penetration with a good JHP. If I am out in the woods, I usually take a .357 and leave the .45 in the pack in the truck.
I like the 357-wheel gun. very dependable
I carry 9mm for ease of concealment and capacity. But I do love a 45acp handgun and the cartridge itself. Hoorah
Different season of the year often require different others so one need more than one option. Thanks for watching
@@SGT1911 nah, South Florida only has 1 season
@@DB2A7 you are right. Short season. Me a d MrsSGT1911 "did" go to Sanibel every year
I carried a 45 ACP in the NAVY and still do in my rotation which also includes 40 S&W and 9mm Lugar.
Carry what you need to do the job. I prefer overkill. Lol. Thanks for watching
I have carried a full sized 1911 for years and love it
Absolutely
That is such a good video. Thank you for the clear thinking and reasoning.
thanks for watching
Great video... I agree with you. I like the 9 mm for range time... It's cheaper... Same reason military chose SIG for new pistols...
For EDC I choose/use 45 ACP. For home defense I choose/use 45 ACP.
Hooah. Thanks for watching
I'm glad I found your channel, its awesome thank you Sir.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome! I´ shooting a 9mm (Walther PDP Full size 5") for combat, a 1911 in .45acp for fun and a Smith & Wesson 686 plus deluxe in .357mag for great shooting... but I like the .45acp the most (Ruger sr1911).
Thanks for watching
I sure do enjoy your videos Sarge! Thank you for your Service!!
Thank you very much. Sometimes I get tired of the recliner rangers and smart asses and then I get a comment like this from you. It makes my day. Thanks for watching .shoot safe
@@SGT1911 God bless you.
@METALITHrevetments thanks for watching
Interesting what you said at the end of the video about survivability. I personally know two guys who were shot with a 9mm and survived, body shots that is. On guy took one round through the chest, the other 9 rounds through the torso, Today the 9 shot guy carries a Glock in .357mag. Wont go near a 9mm, good arguments you had there. cheers.
Based on numbers, not egos
I’ve been saying the same thing for years. The bullet advancement in 9mm didn’t happen in a bubble the same advancement happened in all calibers. The 45 acp is my favorite caliber unfortunately the arthritis in my hands favorite caliber is 9mm. But the 1911 is still my favorite platform.
Well said. We are on the same page. Thanks for watching
1911 in 45ACP is my favorite Sir! But I also have some in 9mm. I always enjoy your videos my friend. Thank You for your service Sir.
Thanks for you positive support Bill. I appreciate it
Keep on keeping on Sarge. You definitely got your shit together. Thanks for all your reviews.
Thanks for watching 12ga.
Best comparison explanation I've ever seen Sir, thank you for this🤝
Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for watching
The Army taught me the joys of the .45 a long time ago. After I got out, a cop I knew once told me that prisons are full of guys with 9 mm holes in them, but not so many with .45 holes. That said, I currently own two 9mm, one .40, and one .45. My normal EDC is the .40 while the .45 usually takes the role of the beside protector; however it gets to ride on my hip probably as often as the 9s do. LOVE my .45. And for everyone touting the great improvement of 9mm ammo, they make the very same ammo in the other calibers, also. HOOAH
HOOAH
Everyone wants to carry a 9mm but in an emergency they'd rather have a .45.
The best chance is that you'll never have to use a gun to defend yourself, and the second chance is that the attacker will be discouraged when he realizes you're not an easy target because you're armed... and walk away.
So it's best to own and carry the gun you like to use most at the gun club. Eng. RF
100% Thanks for watching