The Breaking Point: This Wood Boiler Became TOO MUCH!
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This week I’m struggling with a nasty illness and trying to keep up with the wood boiler but I ultimately gave up! Join me as I buck and split wood, and try to get enough logs stacked to keep our house warm!
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Hi, we live close by, Had your channel pointed out to me last week. We have been watching the build as we drive by. We are building a garage soon, so lots of good info here. Especially dealing with this township. I’ll be adding our building experience to my channel as well. Cheers!
Hey girl you got guts I give you that. But where is your man to help you out no disrespect??
Rhett
Looks like a Peavey hook...
@@BOBD1052 They are very similar and perform similarly but that is actually a cant hook...Peavey's have a point. A cant hook is more for turning a cant/log on the sawmill. The Peavey point is used get under the end of a log to change it's orientation for rolling it or to shift a log when in a stack of logs.
1. You're awesome.
2. Log splitter for sure. Extra help goes a long way.
3. Create a "wood closet" in the house to make use of the heated floor to store logs and bark and let it dry out. And/or....
4. Build a skid sized shed beside the boiler. Vent some of that heat in to the shed and use that to store all your stockpile and dry out.
5. Visit your local mills, window mftr, lumber yards and raid their end cuts/scrap/firewood bins.
Your last suggestion is a really good idea
Rent a splitter for a day ??
I keep the wood away from the house and only bring in what we need….don’t invite pests into the house….just my thoughts.
do not ever store logs in your house, lol they will be full of bugs that will come out in the house do to the warmth,
I have been using a wood burner for over 15 years and find if you keep it fairly full and never let it go out you can operate with a lot less work. If your fire is hot enough, you can dry out unseasoned or wet wood non stop without trouble. Also if the furnace goes out, you can get it going s lot faster using a good ice melting flame thrower using a 20 lb propane tank. I admire your wood splitting skills; I’m 84 and now score the top of the log with the chain saw and put a splitting mail in the cut and hit it with a 10lb sledge (long handled) swinging underhanded using only one hand. This is a very easy method utilizing very little energy as once you start the motion, the pendulum effect takes over and all you need to is hang on and let the weight of the sledge take over.you hold the sledge with your hand about 1/2 down the handle and using your elbow for stability. Your other hand can be held out straight for counter balance. Once you get the hang of it it becomes a joy and even your back is relaxed. Just an idea I thought I would share with you. You are so young and energetic that it may be a bit tame for you. All the best to your family. God Bless.. old bear
Wow that you so so much for all of this!
You sir are spot on.
I'm so damn impressed with you. I mean, sick out there doing all of that while taking care of your family that is sick as well. The strength you have the determination you are just simply amazing. I just want to know where I can find a woman like you? I pretty much have given up but if I could find one like you that might change my mind. Hope you and your family are doing better wishing you all nothing but the best
Thank you so much! And if you’re looking for a homesteading lady, I’m sure there are more out there! Continue to grow and heal and search within. Hopefully the right person comes along!
@@SimpleLivingwithBiata This Women is a better Man than I am. LOL Your one tough Girl. Good Luck you to you all.
I split many cords of wood and now that I am almost 80 I find that a hydraulic splitter works better. Look on line locally and you might find a good used one as many people are going from wood fires to electric. The tool is called a log roller and there is a similar tool called a log lifter. you roll it and the tool has a foot that raised the log so you can cut it without hitting dirt. there are companies that manufacture splitters some which have lifters and multi blades that might want to showcase your situation as advertisement. Can't hurt to ask them since you are getting up there in subscriptions. You are doing great even while sick, I am so impressed by you and your attitude. Keep it up!
Its called a peevey lol
OMG, you are amazing :) I will try hydraulic splitter, but kudos to you that you are almost 80 and giving some tips to others, being active etc. this is sooooo cool 💪
I agree with elrobo look for a used log splitter, for some of the bigger ones you may still have to split into smaller chunks unless you can find one with a log lifter
cant hook for rolling logs and the one with a leg is a Lumber Jack
I do not think that most men can keep up with You splitting wood.... Really hard work and amazing result!
Oh my. What a resourceful woman! That is one tough cookie, nothing but admiration from me girl. Most young women get frilly underwear and chocolates for birthdays and Christmas's - but I'm thinking your's might well be a log-splitter! Biata, thank you for taking so much time in editing and uploading your videos, they make for great watching.
Good morning and great video Biata. During the summer you should invest in a wood spliter. Glad you're feeling better. Take care and have a blessed and safe week and I'll see you on your next video
I hope you feel better soon. I can't believe you're splitting wood while sick. You're truly an inspiration.
Turn your thermostat to just above freezing. You won't burn as much wood, until your ready to move in. God bless you and your family!
Biata you are a dynamo! I don’t know whether this wood boiler is a long term solution to your heating needs but I do know your perseverance to getting this splitting job done is not to be questioned! I admire your unending efforts to make this happen.
Thank you so much for this!
An endless supply of wood for very little money, but it does take time and effort. What else is she going to use? Propane? Heating oil? Way too expensive.
Pure tenacity and grit. I'm in awe of you my friend 💗. Be kind to you ok.
BT, I love to see how you enjoy what you do in your forest, I see that the cold makes you look prettier, you have admirable physical strength, greetings to all
The tool is a cant hook and you need a hydraulic wood splitter but most important is a wood shed, as big as you can make it! I've had a wood boiler for 18 years and went through what you are experiencing. It's sooooooo nice to load the boiler with dry, not ice and snow covered! The wet wood lowers the efficiency tremendously. I'm amazed at your tenacity! You learned to split the large rounds from the outside edge but it's still a lot of work! Thanks for the video Biata!
you were close itd called a "cant dog"
I have bought several cant hooks, a cant dog is a tool that holds the squared cant firmly on the mill so it can be sawn further.@@jonelf2
@@jonelf2Maybe in your neck of the woods, but most places it's called a cant hook. Which is similar to a log peavey.
Get yourself a steel wedge or two. Use it to break down the big pieces of firewood. You will use way less energy. You can use the flat head of your maul to pound in the wedge, but if the maul head starts mushrooming too much get yourself an 8 lb sledge hammer. If you can't split the wood in less than 3 swings, use the wedge. Waaay easier.
I give you a lot of credit! I don’t know a lot of people who would even attempt to keep an outdoor boiler fed without a splitter! Rock on girl!
Great video, tough working through sickness you just don’t feel like you can get well. Great job and keep going
Sweetheart, you are doing brilliantly. When you have little ones they seem to bring home every illness going. My son and his partner have had an awful winter of sickness too, mainly because my grand daughter is at nursery and picking up every bug around.
You will get through this and already you are learning from it. Don't be too hard on yourself xxx
Love from England x
Oh it’s so not fun! Especially in winter. We get all the bugs haha!
pallets would work great under those logs, too--keeps them from absorbing moisture and from termites, as well !!
Yes! Love the pallets for now! One day we’ll build a wood shed
Wow! You're amazing despite illness, cold, and snow. You're the living example of what brings you down only makes you stronger. Be sure to take care of your health. Love your videos!
You really need a wood splitter. If wood is what is going to be your heat source then it would be a very good investment. But you are amazing.
I don't know about everyone else, I'm sure they feel the same way why else would they be here right, lol, but I actually really look forward to seeing your updates every week. I only wish they were a 1/2 hour long instead of the shorter ones. lol Your channel is just a Great, Feel Good, Kind channel. Have an awesome week Biata, I sincerely hope all 3 of you start feel well again. - BC
Always awesome content. When yall are able, since using wood furnace for heating floors, buy a wood splitter. Save your back as much as possible.
You are bad-ass for doing this with a cold, in the cold. Again I'm SO impressed with your perserverance !
Kudos to you, girl!
I have a Central Boiler and I LOVE it! I've not needed anything else for heat, for well over 5 years now; wood all the way!
Your homestead IS a lot of work, but what you get out of it is a reflection of the work put in! And you'll never appreciate anything, more!
Keep it up! Spring'll be here before you know it!
Bianca! You have a house to complete! Don’t injure yourself by doing the wood by hand. Spend the money and get a wood spitter! If you injure your back or shoulders who is going to finish that house? Time to start using your head and not your body! You can’t do it all by yourself and continue doing the work that is necessary! That non insulated structure is eating up your body and your wood stash. You have to realize what is most important to accomplish. You’re an amazing person and I respect that you are such a strong headed individual but realize your limitations! It may not show up now but later in life you will finally come to the point that you can’t go on! Take that from a 73 year old man who had his first back surgery at age 28 and had 6 by age 34! From age 34 to 59 I have had 6 more plus both knees replaced, and a lot of it was because I never quit or listened to others! Now at 73 I can barely walk and in pain 24/7! Don’t do what I did!!! Love your work ethic, but there’s a limit to what your body can tolerate!
You are making great points.
Work smart, not harder. Rent a splitter for a day.
Please invest in a log spilter at minimum a 25-30 ton size with vertical or horizontal options as it's going to save your energy
Ps the log roller is a cant hook
It’s not that simple for me! If I want to drop a tree a few acres away, I’ll need a big machine to drag it back to the wood splitter. But if I buck and split the wood on the spot, I can haul it all on the back of a snowmobile in a sled
@SimpleLivingwithBiata I would cut in the summer and use a mid size tractor ( a extremely handy investment) to drag a few logs back to a central location with a fire wood shed the shed doesn't have to be fully enclosed to save yourself time
Does that ax need sharpened?
@@SimpleLivingwithBiata : some wood splitters are mobile, that is they have wheels. You could take the splitter to the site. Leaving it there overnight has its pluses but you may risk it being stolen.
Just stumbled upon your channel yesterday. I’ve been binging ever since. Seriously impressed with your work ethic and drive. Can’t wait to see what’s in store for the future.
Thank you so much for this! Glad you’re enjoying the videos!
Sorry to hear that you guys where sick but you stuck it out I see the rounds work ok for your stove that's good. Ps thank you for the info on the heated gloves. Keep up the cool vid's.
Was very impressed with your determination even that you were very sick. Very impressive. Keep going. I have been burning wood in my wood boiler for about the last 10 years.
Hope you and your family are feeling better soon it will be harmed soon enough get well soon enjoying your clips don’t burn yourself out. love from Australia
Brave girl! Love your videos! Keep them coming, please
Thoren Bardley you have created a beast 😅😅😂😅😂 ... Damnnn !!! Biata spilting timber while fighting a fever. Girl your something else. Keep on keeping on Biata 😊
My goodness, you are an amazing woman! Your family should count their blessings that they could be so fortunate.
Keep up the awesome work! Someone else had mentioned in the comments that a gas driven woodsplitter would be a Major asset for you. Not to mention a relief on you physically. The pallets are a great help, do you plan on building a platform for your wood. It would help manage & store your wood, and probably help keep track of what you have, etc.
so impressed with your work ethic.
Experience is such a great teacher if you pay attention. Good job.
You are the man of the house love seeing women doing the out door work very nice job girl. I like all your hard work.
Great job Biata, hope you are feeling better. Lot's of work involved with firewood, maybe if you light the fire at the bottom of the boiler rather than on top it would fire up quicker. Must say you are the first person I've seen working sleeveless outdoors in the snow 😂 Stay safe Biata ❤
One other little suggestion for firewood, slabwood from small sawmills in the area is the cheapest and best way to get seasoned wood to burn. Practically pennies per foot for a huge bundle before delivery. My family has used slabwood for decades to heat the house
Love your enthusiasm.
Thank you!
No worries! Just keep on, keeping on! You can do it!
We heated our 30X60 shop and house with a boiler we fired mainly with wood. We would cut our burning wood in the late spring to early summer and split and stack it for winter. It usually took 10 to 12 full cords of wood to last the whole winter in central Michigan. Also the center part of old pine tree (we called it pitch pine in my area, but I heard it call lighter and heart before) makes an excellent wet wood fire starter. We gathered ours by pulling up old pine stumps.
great edits! well done
Thanks a lot!
You Need to Buy a Log splitter! As always, I'm so absolutely impressed with YOUR ever amazing YOU! Split the bigger logs from the edge inwards. Hope YOU, & You're family are feeling better.
there Grubbs...chickens will love them..!!!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🙏Good job..
Chickens love grubs. But they also love baby voles. Voles destroy vegetable gardens so when I find a nest, I feed them to the chickens. Don’t like it? Tell the voles to go next door and leave my food supply chain alone.
Yeap, you learned a very valuable lesson. During the Spring, Summer, and Fall, here and there you have to stock wood in the wood shed. That way during Winter you are totally ready. When I buy my wood boiler for my home/shop, I will get the kind that can also run on propane. This way if I take a week vacation I can switch it to propane and not worry about my house freezing up. Also, if I end up sick for a few days (like you did) and I am laid up in bed, I can switch it to propane. So, I learned something from you video. Thanks.
You’re one hell of a worker Biata, all the best in finishing off the house.
In awe. What a wonder woman you are. Take it easy. Love from the old man in the UK
You are nothing short of amazing. Your work ethic and perseverance is incredible!
Just finding your channel, so new sub here!!!
We're considering an outdoor boiler at our home as well and, I have to say wow, you ma'am are a bad a$$. Perseverance is definitely one of your strong points. Keep up the great work, and look forward to checking out some of your older projects, as well as the upcoming progress on your journey. Stay safe have fun and keep on stacking 💪✌️
-Jack and Taryn
Ive seen the same brand as Biata's but its a gas converter model, it seems to use less wood but they cost more.
@@jamesmatheson5115 howdy, yes with me having neighbors close by, we have to get a gasification style boiler. They do burn less wood, but are way more finicky with what they will burn. Has to be seasoned, gasers don't like wet wood like those traditional boilers.
@@LogCabinFirewood We only burn seasoned timber, our timber can have a high soot content.
That's very impressive. I still remember with dread the Saturday mornings that as a teen, my father would make me spend splitting wood. You make it look easy but I'm very much aware it's far from it. Well done! Subscribed!
You are doing a fantastic job. I have been watching many of you videos in some of my spare time. We are going to attempt to build our own house. Thank you for the inspiration. Also, look for an axe called the “Chopper”. It has two fingers. One on each side of the axe blade. I don’t believe they are made anymore but an antique dealer. I actually have 3 and they work great. Keep up the good work
Biata,
Get a quality log splitter one that has a hydraulic lift for the large diameter logs. You won’t regret it even though it will be a capital expense initially. It will prevent you from wearing yourself out physically prematurely. You will be splitting logs for many years and although you are young now, but as time goes on, you need to look out for your physical well being. Work smarter not harder. Swinging the axe 10 times just to split one piece of wood, will take its toll on the body physically. Love the channel and keep going.
Agree, hard to have a boiler without a splitter, unless you buy boiler wood from a wood yard.
Very impressed with your raw determination, Biata!!! I really do hope that there is a wood splitter in your future...with the sheer amount of firewood that you could process easier and faster.....it would probably change your life!?!? Where I live in the States, a used 15 to 20 ton unit goes for about 1,000 USD....just concerned about your back and the practical time management of the process....nevertheless, great video as usual!!! Your struggle is REAL!!! Have a great week and be safe!
just stumbled over this video, never seen anything from your channel before. Your a tough girl! I´m impressed.
Thank you so much!
Mad respect on your getting out there working while feeling like crap. not to mention taking care of your family as well!
Thank you! I had to take time off when I was really feeling down and out. But eventually decided to get back to work lol
@@SimpleLivingwithBiata I don't know how women do it. I am a man and if I come down with a sickness I am down and out. Don't get me wrong, I can work through broken bones and major cuts, But when I get sick it shuts my body down
Great job Biata if I was you I would look at purchasing a log splitter it would certainly save your back.
I’m impressed sick and doing all that🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽👊🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
LOVE this! I don't know how I found this video but I'm glad I did. I love seeing you using your safety chaps for the chainsaw!!! Way too many people don't think they need it until it's too late. Liked & subscribed!
Hi Biata I think the tool you were going to use to move logs is called a "cant-hook". A similar tool that i have seen is called a "peavey" and different in that the long part is pointed to
separate logs before rolling them. I used to help my Dad with firewood harvest to supply the roughly 7 cords yearly he used to burn. It was hard physical work and lots of handling
needed to fell the trees, chunk it, pile it to dry, then split it, and truck it , unload into basement, pile it and finally feed it into the furnace. When I got out on my own I opted for liquid wood ( fuel oil) but it was much more expensive and I lost the great exercise !
You could , as my Dad did in later years , likely switch from wood to oil or gas to heat your boiler. Always motivational to see you tackle the hard tasks in making your dream home become reality ! .👍👍👍👍🤩❤
Stuff like that oak and birch will not dry very well unless it is split up. The bark is water tight.
It will be interesting to see if the wood boiler becomes more frugal in it's consumption of wood once you've installed the insulation. One other u-tuber I follow has a wood boiler and seems to use much less.
You young lady are an inspiration with your determination and perseverance. That beautiful smile is great also.
Yes I think it will be much better once the home is insulated!
Greeting from Fairbanks, AK where it was -53, two weeks ago! You quite the trooper, keep your blinds drawn for the peeking Sasquatch with the X so prominently displayed @ 8:01, you will get on the right path you have the tenacity!
Good afternoon, Biata. Greetings from Jamaica 🇯🇲. Wow, life gets crazy every day. Keep going will be over before you know it
You are doing great on the wood. It takes a few years to get it down on how much wood you will need. I have a traditional boiler and I use over 10 cords a year. I heat 3k sq ft. I loved seeing the growing progress on hand splitting. You are on the right track and keep progressing. Hint: frozen wood splits easy. If you have the time and the wood, cut them into rounds before the burning season. This will help pull the moisture out of the wood especially if you stack it in a windy area on the property.
MN boy here. This is the first video I’ve seen of yours. It was in my YT “suggestions” or whatever you call it. Good for you! What a great workout, you must have shoulders of steel. Your saving a bunch of money not having to go to the gym. Reading some of the 700+ comments, I see you have enough advice, so all I can add (repeat) is get yourself a wood splitter. Maybe creating boiler fuel would be funner.
Thank you, keep working.
Biata you are amazing. Taking on all that log splitting by hand. Please be careful. You are young now but as you get older, doing too much physical work will catch up to you. You are one determined young lady. That tool you are using is a CANT HOOK. Wish you all the best. Take care of yourself. 🙋🏻🇨🇦
Hey I gotta say your very impressive in your work ethic !! Wanted to give you a little tip on when your splitting your wood , right when your axe is about to hit the wood twist the handle , once you get it down it will amaze you how much easier the wood will split
Biata hunny you really are a very special young lady you amaze me by just how hard you work and your work ethic. i don’t understand why you go through so much wood though but you will get it figured out. take care of yourself hunny you rest when you can
The tool you are using is called a cant hook, it's generally used at sawmills, you need a peavy hook that can roll a log and lift one end a few inches off of the ground. A hydraulic wood splitter will save you time and your back, just a few suggestions.
Looks like the next investment may be a wood splitter if you can, love your vids keep it up and stay healthy.
I’m sure you’ll be better prepared next winter when you’re finally living in your beautiful home, my daughter brought all sorts of germs home from school and now my grand daughter is the same especially at this time of year, take it easy , do the least until you’re fully recovered, the house can wait, we can wait, look after your sweet family, take care from uk
I hope you get feeling better and I think you need to get a wood splitter and good luck and be safe and God bless you
Great job! I'd recommend keeping a large trunk piece unsplit to sit your other logs on. Save your back a little bit.
You get an A++ for effort. You are really dedicated.
I'm a new subscriber. I like what y'all are doing there.
I figured that fire box was gonna use up some serious wood up after watching you guys load it in the other video.
Well done you I would like to say you are one of the few people that knows how to use an axe by using the weight of the head sliding your hand down the shaft as you pull down top effort
I have always found that frozen unseasoned wood splits easier. You can also use those orange wedges with a sledgehammer to split tough knotted wood.
I am just amazed at your work, I am not a qualified carpenter, but from what you have endured, Good on you!
I have just recently viewed your channel and am perplexed of where your partner is? especially with splitting wood? Maybe I missed something as I have not followed your channel?
Great work, I dream of having a out door furnace.
I have said it before but I feel it can't be said enough. I think you are doing great. You are a strong and persistent woman. Lots of respect. Buy a good splitter and one of those log lifters.
Thank you so much!
Good job on splitting the wood
When you decide to get a log splitter check out Easton made splitter they have quality splitters and located in Canada also they are faster than box store splitters
I'm so impressed with all you've done. You definitely need a hydraulic wood splitter.
The tool you are using to rotate the logs is called a CANT hook. Keep you eyes open for one that has a foot on the backside. It will hold the log off the ground so you don't hit the ground below when cutting with your chainsaw. You amaze me with your devotion to your dream !
We heated with wood when I was young and I had to find the easiest way to split, because I was only about 12 YO. I found that if a log had a knot that was where to start the split since the grain ran around the knot and would separate easier. As a former carpenter I can really appreciate the effort you are putting into your home build and understand the frustration when things don't go as planned. I only wish we could advise you in advance rather than watching a video and thinking NO, don't do it that way, it won't work. Keep up the good work, you'll be very proud of your accomplishment when done.
The tool with the hook I would call a log roller. For the amount of splitting you require to keep the wood up to the boiler you need a petrol log splitter. You have done an amazing job splitting by hand but even though you are young it's very hard on the body. Just recently found your channel & I am enjoying it. Cheers from Bowral, New South Wales, Australia.
I discovered the dryer your wood is, the easier it is to split and it lasts a heck of a LOT LONGER in the boiler. I saw someone on YT say that if firewood is aged 2 or more years, he went through a lot less. So one year I went bonkers, got loads of trees delivered, I cut, split, and piled them up and probably 3 or more years sitting there hidden behind the garage.. I also took the soft wood and split it down to small fire starter pieces, leaving my hardwood in bigger pieces (This also helps things last longer). Hope that helps.
Enjoyed watching your struggle with the wood. We have a wood boiler and it is a Polar brand. It burns down instead of up and uses a gasification system to help get every bit of heat out of the wood. My experience has been to cut the wood to the length of the wood chamber and not more than 6 inches in diameter. This allows a clean burn for up to 20 hours. Wood is best the longer it is allowed to cure. Best to start cutting and stacking the wood in the spring for the next winter burn. Once you get a system down, it gets easier. Having a wood splitter really helps compared to splitting with an axe. They do come in electric and gas versions.
I like her idea of doing it for an hour a day. It’s part of her routine now. And it’s not as tiring vs. spending, say one day a week but for five hours (or whatever time frame).
KUDOS. Watching you split wood was exhausting. I especially enjoyed the tank top shots. =D
Keep an eye on that outdoor woodstove/boiler. The water reservoirs inside have a tendency to rust through over time… we went through about 3 in 20 years before we switched to an indoor fuel oil boiler.
You can use your chain saw to split the big ones, I do it all the time. Round side down and saw away if bar is to short to reach all the way switch sides , much easier than pounding it with axe.
Absolutely, use the chainsaw as much as you can until you can get a hydraulic splitter. Score the top of the oversized rounds about an inch deep and use steel or plastic (steel is better - three of them) splitting wedges to open the round. Use a sledge hammer to drive the wedges, NOT an axe. Save your body. You're going to need it!
The "maggots" are called wood borers and they are an indication of rotting wood. They are woodpecker food.
Love the dedication....and have your man help you....would think he could do that
I love your enthusiasm. If you’re going to continue to split by hand, I suggest a better splitting ax or maul. I’ve used Fiskers before but once I used a Granfors Bruks splitting maul there’s definitely a difference in the efficiency of your splitting. Plus the wood handle has a much better feel. Have fun.
So interesting. I split wood manually , as well as split it hydraulically. Obviously hydraulics help. Really interesting to use a wood boiler and heat a floor. Great way to heat. Congrats
You frickin rock! I’ve watched for a while now. Such awesome ambition:)
I use the 18 inch plug in worx saw for noodling and close to the house.. it way more zen like
I have to say that I am immensely impressed by you. I cannot think of anyone that I know, man or woman, that can split that much wood in the couple of days that you did it. And I know some big strong construction workers. Keep up the great work.
Awh thank you! I appreciate it
If there was ever proof of needing a Hydraulic wood splitter, it was this video. The amount of wood you will need prepared for next winter and the amount of time and energy it will save you going forward will be invaluable. Also, going forward in these situation, you can buck the logs into shallower cuts that split easier or even wafers that can fit in the boiler without splitting. Your doing amazing and are an inspiration. Keep it up. You got this.
Biata what a fortunate husband and daughter having you as mom and wife. You are incrediable. Please stay strong, your daughter will learn what your determination can do in life. A question can your boiler burn coal? I tended to it twice a day to heat 2000 sq. Ft. Thank you for being you. Butch from Ct. USA
Thank you so much! And I believe it can burn coal! Good idea!