Even if it's AI, I don't care it's the first ever vidéo about the ingebrigtsen where you have really all the details and things, normaly vidéo about them are just talking about double treshold and some double treshold training saying like its only what they do but as we can see that's not true@@freddaneker
I clealy don't think it is, because there's sso much details that I've never find anywhere else so maybe proove from who it iis plagiarized @@hikerJohn
lol. The first 30s of this video contains a significant error. The structure of the Ingebrigtsen's training is nothing like Peter Coe and David Martin's approach. The structure including the idea of doing double thresholds comes from Marius Bakken.
@@shravanpradeep8434 well that is wrong because ingebrigtsen trains predominantly in his track sessions at threshold. There is a bit of a mystery about what Coe did. Some who trained with him argue that he did Lydiard style training with some spicy track sessions close to competition. But Peter Coe and David Martin are famous for their mulit-paced system that involved training at 5k pace, 3k pace, 1300, 800, 400 etc with the argument that training at different levels of the volume/pace pyramid cascades upwards and enables better training at higher levels of pace. NObody seriously uses this approach. It did not work for Marius Bakken who Peter Coe actually did coach for a while and its shortcomings caused him to take a scientific approach and develop the norwegian model of distance training.
@@chrisjefferis1930Ingebrigtsens keep their track sessions at below anaerobic threshold lactate, not pace. They do 20-25x400 at 5k-10k pace (above anaerobic threshold) and 8-12x1k at 10k pace (also above an. threshold). Lactate under threshold, not pace. Their morning session may be under threshold pace and heart rate but, the evening session often is not
Apart from the focus on very specific paces and lactate testing during a session there is probably nothing radically new here. It's simply a variation on the tried and tested formula of building up volume at relatively low intensity ("the base") and then reducing the volume but getting faster! Could go back to Cerruty's division of the year into three periods; conditioning (6 months), race practice (2-3 months), competition (2-3 months). He formulated this in the late 1950s!
If you read Emil Zatopek’s biography, you will learn that Percy Cerruty picked EZ’s brain at the Olympic Village to create Cerrutty’s “own” training system. Cerruty NEVER credited the kind and generous Zatopek with any of the ideas he gave him. Cerruty and Lydiard were competing for attention in the media for who was a better coach. Meanwhile, genetics had more to do with the success of their athletes than differences between the coaches’ training systems, I’ve coached at the pro level and can tell you that some of these athletes are just phenomenally gifted genetically. They recover so much faster and run quicker and longer than the nonprofessionals.
It's amazing that athletes at the best of their sports are not shy to share their training -- it's almost like a open dare for mortals to challenge them.
A rare small number of those mortals have similar genetics; you could try the same work out and not get the same results, to put it simply. College coach routinely had us running 20×400 m.
“Marius was a foreign exchange student who ran for famed distance coach Joe Newton at York High School, Elmhurst, Illinois, US. In 1996 he won both the 1600 and 3200 races at the IL state track and field championships. His 1600m best at York (1996) was 4:09.2.” Nobody is mentioning the influence of Joe Newton in the comments.
25×400 is not that easy as we think(i got to know that he runs hia every lap under 1 minute) Jakob is doing very well I want to see him breaking hardest mile record❤
Do you have anything on Doug Edgar the head coach and Sprints/hurdles coach at Indiana Tech University track program. He has turned that NAIA program to a national powerhouse would love to see his training philosophy with his athletes.
Thank you for your comment, unfortunatly we don't have much information about his training philosophy, when we got a solid information we would like to share it here with all of you.
during the base phase, they do 10x1000m 3.5 mm (1mr) at 5-10k pace. What do they change in the 8x1000m (5k pace) during the pre-comp period? Do they reduce or increase the rest interval?
It’s likely Gjert like most open minded coaches reviewed many coaching systems/philosophy I.e Bakkens, Lydiard, Peter Coe etc even Daniels and the successful Dutch coach who promotes lots and lots of threshold. IMHO
Anyone have any ideas of how you would use this for someone who is not running for running's sake (as in, not competing) but using it for sport specific skills (like tennis?). And I mean, tennis, lol.
there is a lot more multidirectional movement in tennis. My primary conditioning before I became a runner was as a tennis player and I simply spent a lot of time playing tennis. Conditioning is not as great a factor in tennis as skill is. Cardiovascular conditioning and muscular endurance are far more important in distance running.
He is capable of reaching 3.25 1500m 3.42 1mile 7.19 3000m 12.32 5000m then Coe's jaw will drop and last time I predicted he's times he ran faster then what I had said.lol
All great but I still think he lacks explosive speed/power to maximize his potential. I think he's weaker than he should be. He should do squats and deadlifts and get his 400 down to 47 or 46 like Sebastian Coe did.
You are right @joeys6627 but i think Jakob is more distance type of athlete than seb. coe, i informed years ago about coe's one of his incredible strength sessions, he did in 1980 of 2 hours of jumping climbing and body weight strength training in the gym , who saw this tell me that they never seen such of many repetitions and intensity in one long session. that's why coe is more muscular and has more 400m speed that led him to WR in 800m 1:41.73!
@@RunnerUniverse Agreed. The 1500 still requires elite speed depending on the type of race. If the race starts out slow, Jacob doesn’t have the type of top end finishing speed that a Seb Coe type runner has.
@@joeys6627 I think Jakob has a capable kick but I do agree that it his biggest weakness. He should so more weight room sessions and maybe more speed based workouts if he wants to be unbeatable in the 1500m.
I think it depends on what is the goal. If the goal is to win championships, then yes maybe. If the goal is to go after the 1500m world record I think it might be counterproductive.
provide proof, please! the brothers have been training near perfectly for decades. it’s not unreasonable to believe they’re legit with how much money, precision, and dedication they have poured in to their sport
Bro you really need more subscribe this is one of the best video of the inbgebrigtsen I've ever seen
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It's done by AI, he just copy artictles and texts on the internet and put in a AI speech software and clip it together
Even if it's AI, I don't care it's the first ever vidéo about the ingebrigtsen where you have really all the details and things, normaly vidéo about them are just talking about double treshold and some double treshold training saying like its only what they do but as we can see that's not true@@freddaneker
Seems plagiarized to me.
I clealy don't think it is, because there's sso much details that I've never find anywhere else so maybe proove from who it iis plagiarized @@hikerJohn
This is so in-depth into their training programs. I appreciate the hard work put in to make such an insightful video. Well done! and thanks so much ❤
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lol. The first 30s of this video contains a significant error. The structure of the Ingebrigtsen's training is nothing like Peter Coe and David Martin's approach. The structure including the idea of doing double thresholds comes from Marius Bakken.
It explains in the video what he means, just that he trains at all kinds of speeds even in the base phase, I assume Peter Coe did something similar.
@@shravanpradeep8434 well that is wrong because ingebrigtsen trains predominantly in his track sessions at threshold. There is a bit of a mystery about what Coe did. Some who trained with him argue that he did Lydiard style training with some spicy track sessions close to competition. But Peter Coe and David Martin are famous for their mulit-paced system that involved training at 5k pace, 3k pace, 1300, 800, 400 etc with the argument that training at different levels of the volume/pace pyramid cascades upwards and enables better training at higher levels of pace. NObody seriously uses this approach. It did not work for Marius Bakken who Peter Coe actually did coach for a while and its shortcomings caused him to take a scientific approach and develop the norwegian model of distance training.
@@chrisjefferis1930 Interesting information
Bakken was also influenced by Coe- read his website blog
@@chrisjefferis1930Ingebrigtsens keep their track sessions at below anaerobic threshold lactate, not pace. They do 20-25x400 at 5k-10k pace (above anaerobic threshold) and 8-12x1k at 10k pace (also above an. threshold). Lactate under threshold, not pace. Their morning session may be under threshold pace and heart rate but, the evening session often is not
Apart from the focus on very specific paces and lactate testing during a session there is probably nothing radically new here. It's simply a variation on the tried and tested formula of building up volume at relatively low intensity ("the base") and then reducing the volume but getting faster! Could go back to Cerruty's division of the year into three periods; conditioning (6 months), race practice (2-3 months), competition (2-3 months). He formulated this in the late 1950s!
If you read Emil Zatopek’s biography, you will learn that Percy Cerruty picked EZ’s brain at the Olympic Village to create Cerrutty’s “own” training system. Cerruty NEVER credited the kind and generous Zatopek with any of the ideas he gave him. Cerruty and Lydiard were competing for attention in the media for who was a better coach. Meanwhile, genetics had more to do with the success of their athletes than differences between the coaches’ training systems, I’ve coached at the pro level and can tell you that some of these athletes are just phenomenally gifted genetically. They recover so much faster and run quicker and longer than the nonprofessionals.
This is one of the best ingebrigtsen's videos i ever seen, can you make one for kipchoge
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We would like to do that in the future , thank you for the comment
It's amazing that athletes at the best of their sports are not shy to share their training -- it's almost like a open dare for mortals to challenge them.
Appreciate your words my friend 🙏
A rare small number of those mortals have similar genetics; you could try the same work out and not get the same results, to put it simply. College coach routinely had us running 20×400 m.
Awesome video. I would like to find about Usain Bolt's training system.
Great suggestion! We will create one for him
“Marius was a foreign exchange student who ran for famed distance coach Joe Newton at York High School, Elmhurst, Illinois, US. In 1996 he won both the 1600 and 3200 races at the IL state track and field championships. His 1600m best at York (1996) was 4:09.2.” Nobody is mentioning the influence of Joe Newton in the comments.
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It's amazing knowledge world top class athlete and coach 🙏🙏 I am fan
Nice video
Thank you~
Threshold pace is NOT at zone 2 HR… it’s more at around zone 3/low zone 4… zone 2 usually approaches recovery runs… 60-70% of max HR
Very clear informasjon thanks❤
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What means 15min + 2SL in Competition period? 7:10
I think sl might be Stigningsløp which translates to strides
Very good video.
You really need to cite marius bakken here as well, the father of "the norwegian method".
I feel like a champion running 30 km per week...
Jacob is an Icon. Thank you for crucial principles. I am interested in training program for 100m - 400m.
Thank you very much for your comment , take a look at our new video about training program of Noah Lyles, it has many good information
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25×400 is not that easy as we think(i got to know that he runs hia every lap under 1 minute)
Jakob is doing very well
I want to see him breaking hardest mile record❤
great vid
Thanks man 🙏
Do you have anything on Doug Edgar the head coach and Sprints/hurdles coach at Indiana Tech University track program. He has turned that NAIA program to a national powerhouse would love to see his training philosophy with his athletes.
Thank you for your comment, unfortunatly we don't have much information about his training philosophy, when we got a solid information we would like to share it here with all of you.
what were the “+2sl” in the training programs supposed to mean?
I think it's "2 incline runs"!
What SL mean pls ?
incline runs
during the base phase, they do 10x1000m 3.5 mm (1mr) at 5-10k pace. What do they change in the 8x1000m (5k pace) during the pre-comp period? Do they reduce or increase the rest interval?
What is Jakobs weight and height?
Hi, thank you for your comment. Jakob' is 186cm and 79kg. please like share and subscribe to our channel, it will help us a lot. 🙏
@@RunnerUniversewhere do you get 79kg from? All I see is 74kg
Did sean Brosnan use any of these methods at Newberry Park.
How is 20-25 minutes long tempo vs threshold intervals? Consider 5k training. Seemed to ke long tempo is hard compared to threshold intervals.
what does "2 SL" stands for? Thanks in advance for the answer
I think it's "2 incline runs"!
"Stigningsløp" the Norwegian term for strides
@@thedolenorway Thank you for clarification
Any sources?
Particularly on the pre-comp plan?
A study conducted on 2019 by a university student on the 3 brothers , also some seminar and training diaries of the father coach Gjert
@@RunnerUniverse I've never seen a training diary with the preparation period plan on it. Would you care to share where you found it?
marius bakken is responsible for the ideas behind this training, Gjerts contributions were minimal.
It’s likely Gjert like most open minded coaches reviewed many coaching systems/philosophy I.e Bakkens, Lydiard, Peter Coe etc even Daniels and the successful Dutch coach who promotes lots and lots of threshold. IMHO
Anyone have any ideas of how you would use this for someone who is not running for running's sake (as in, not competing) but using it for sport specific skills (like tennis?). And I mean, tennis, lol.
there is a lot more multidirectional movement in tennis. My primary conditioning before I became a runner was as a tennis player and I simply spent a lot of time playing tennis. Conditioning is not as great a factor in tennis as skill is. Cardiovascular conditioning and muscular endurance are far more important in distance running.
So far El Guerrouj is still the best ever
He is capable of reaching 3.25 1500m 3.42 1mile 7.19 3000m 12.32 5000m then Coe's jaw will drop and last time I predicted he's times he ran faster then what I had said.lol
Before running 3:25, let him break 3:27 …
Oh man it's so hard
All great but I still think he lacks explosive speed/power to maximize his potential. I think he's weaker than he should be. He should do squats and deadlifts and get his 400 down to 47 or 46 like Sebastian Coe did.
You are right @joeys6627 but i think Jakob is more distance type of athlete than seb. coe, i informed years ago about coe's one of his incredible strength sessions, he did in 1980 of 2 hours of jumping climbing and body weight strength training in the gym , who saw this tell me that they never seen such of many repetitions and intensity in one long session. that's why coe is more muscular and has more 400m speed that led him to WR in 800m 1:41.73!
@@RunnerUniverse Agreed. The 1500 still requires elite speed depending on the type of race. If the race starts out slow, Jacob doesn’t have the type of top end finishing speed that a Seb Coe type runner has.
@@joeys6627 I think Jakob has a capable kick but I do agree that it his biggest weakness. He should so more weight room sessions and maybe more speed based workouts if he wants to be unbeatable in the 1500m.
@@RunnerUniverseOnly 2 runners have run faster on the 800m in 40+ years…
I think it depends on what is the goal. If the goal is to win championships, then yes maybe. If the goal is to go after the 1500m world record I think it might be counterproductive.
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Youre forgetting to mention their sophisticated doping protocol.
And how, faiking to apply for the Olympics, he didn't even get a medal
Another AI operated youtube channel about running....
This is obviously AI generated
Why can’t the ai pronounce words normally
does this include the abuse of their father?
😂
….evening time work out😂
Lactate suppressors and epo left out.
Of course without forgetting an intake of EPO and some enhancing drugs lol
Please don’t fool people
They are 100 % on drugs
provide proof, please!
the brothers have been training near perfectly for decades. it’s not unreasonable to believe they’re legit with how much money, precision, and dedication they have poured in to their sport
Evidence?