Are you smoking crack? This review is pointless. You are testing a tuned Truck against a recall Truck? Your variables are all over the place. I know they are trying their best, but this shouldn't even been posted because it doesn't show anything valuable.
@@jaytrock3217 it showes that that pre recall truck is a hell of a lot quicker off the line than the recall truck. I think a lot of people would find that helpful. No need to be so hostile.
Guys, it's not all about 0-60 differences. I've got a 2014 jeep grand cherokee ecodiesel and went through the process as well. When I first got the jeep in 2017 at 86k it had the factory tune and got 28mpg on summer blend diesel and about 24mpg on winter blend. I always drive economically and drive about 650mi/week. At 91k I installed my gde hot tune and it increased my winter blend mpg to 29.3mpg and 32.5mpg on summer blend. Once they did the recall update (it's for both the engine ecu and transmission ecu), my summer mpg dropped to 23.6mpg and never tested the winter. The Jeep wasn't just lethargic in traffic it was downright DANGEROUS. I reinstalled my gde tune and regularly get 32.3mpg and have to manually shift my transmission because the recall trans tune keeps the rpms very high as if it's a gas engine and destroys real world fuel economy. I'm planning on getting the trans tune to compliment my gde engine tune. They claim it enhances their engine tune. Basically, the recall tune absolutely ruins these vehicles. They are much slower and won't get out of their own way in city traffic and get extremely poor fuel economy compared to the original tune. One last thing: for the first 13k miles my jeep used a normal amount of def. After a while even with my gde tune it was burning through its entire def tank every 3.2-3.8k miles. Originally the gde tune wasn't doing that, so I assume that the nozzle(s) got stuck open and was always spraying large amounts. Even my exhaust tips were covered in burnt white stuff. Now, after the recall tune, it drank the def fluid the fastest it ever had. It went through nearly the entire def tank in 1.8k miles. Once I got my gde tune back on, it has been completely normal. I've been on my same def tank for about 8.5k miles and it still has 1/4 tank left. It could be that my nozzle(s) were indeed stuck, but I thought I'd share my result. Pre gde, the best my jeep did was almost 6k miles before a def refill, now with gde it looks like it's closer to 10k, even while towing every other weekend.
Enough with the music, can barely hear Andre in some cases, if you have to add music then turn it downll low enough where its only heard when there is no talking or vehicle noise.
Are the rear ends the same ratio? That would make a difference when it comes to acceleration? Why does TFL never address this in any of their drag races?
CrimsonStang naaaaah.. Ford still is king of that title!!! Ford is the only truck that had broken down on this channel, MULTIPLE TIMES. My rams never left me on the side of the road like my POS f150 did!!
You're right Lou. A lot of questions left unanswered in the video. I bought my Big Horn new in 2015. I have 61K on it now. Zero major issues. Average 21 MPG city unloaded after emissions recall. Only one regen in four and a half years of ownership. Cleared it self in 7 miles at highway speed. Everything on it is original except the tires and headlights. I bought it knowing it was slower then a Ford and GM, Toyota and Nissan. I bought it for RAM (Not DODGE or FIAT) above average fit and finish and capability and the color. I bought it for the ride and handling. All brands of trucks in respective classes perform ALMOST equally on and off road unmodified. I've owned GM, Ford, Ram and Toyota. I was pleased with everyone I've owned. There will always be lemons in the bunch regardless the name or brand or year. If corporations weren't so set on the bottom line, every brand would be perfect. It would only be a matter of color and style then. So to all you fan boys out there. You're truck/car is no better than mine.
Your truck has regenerated far more than once in 61,000 miles. What you saw was a full DPF warning that required extended driving and complete regeneration, but a DPF will still regenerate actively without warning when they are partially filled.
@@AkioWasRight you're right. I should have said 'only once did the DPF get full and gave warning on the dash'. Thanks for that. Every time you drive on highway it cleans the DPF. A full filter will take 20-30 minutes in a commercial truck to clean itself. Less time in my little truck. More than 90% of my driving is city. That to me is amazing for a diesel of any size.
I don't think the truck getting slower after the update matters as much as a hit in the fuel mileage, as that's the main reason you buy an ecodiesel, that would be what would make me skip the new computer flash unless you flash a tune on it afterwards, granted, the whole truck is better off deleted and tuned to begin with sooo its like meh?
I think if you didn't brake toque at the start you'd have a bigger difference in the results showing the pre-recall truck accelerating quicker. Day to day driving this is where you notice it, and you don't brake torque at every stop sign (at least I don't lol)
Because the guy with the green Ram had 2 ECM's. One was tuned and the other was updated with the newest flash from the dealer. They raced the white Ram (with no new flash) and the green Ram (new flash) to see how they compared. The tuned drag was more of a comparison to see how much better a tuned Eco is.
The problem with the Ram Ecodiesel after the "AEM" programming is that the cold temp performance was terrible. I had a 2016 Ram Crew Cab Lonestar 4x4 Ecodiesel. I noticed it immediately when I left the dealership after having the AEM done. I tried to pull out onto a busy service road and even with the pedal floored, it paused a full 2 seconds before going anywhere. Once the truck was at proper operating temperatures, it ran closer to its original performance. The AEM was required because the trucks were putting out too much emissions at cold temps, therefore the computer was programmed to dial back performance at cold temps. I'd like to see this "comparison" done with pre and post AEM trucks at cold temps. This is the only way it will be truly representative of the emissions repair issues.
They get to test all new Ram trucks. Do you think they would admit that the recall ruined your truck ? I know they didn't want to ruin their relationship with Ram. I had to sell my 2016 ecodiesel because it was dangerous to drive when cold.
I guarantee that skinny kid with his hat backwards mixed this video. Music to loud and inconsistent, choppy editing. Andre did an excellent job as usual taking on the impossible job of trying to find any good points about a Fiat / Ram.
Yeah impossible to find positive things to talk about a Ram when it's not the fastest growing truck in the country and winning awards or anything. Definitely hard to find any good talking points.
The let it warm up before harming on it. They still respond under emergency, but they will dial back as much possible until they're fully up to temp. That's normal for NOx reduction tuning.
I think it would have been a better comparison if you had used the stock before recall computer on the same truck as the after recall computer. More apples to apples comparison that way but otherwise great video Andre as usual.
We would like the opportunity to show you what the SFT tuning can do for this vehicle. Engine and transmission tuning. Before and after. How can we make this possible?
I still haven’t got 25 mpg on highway yet with engine and trans tune I thought I would I have stage 1 I’m not messing with dpf it’s gona stay on I’m not paying a 10,000 fine and pay have all that crap put back on another 10,000
This was pretty neat actually - cool to see the tuned ecu vs the "fixed" ecu also. Just goes to show that a custom tune, even without other mods, can be really great.
You really really really needed to do an MPG loop. That’s where I’ve noticed the major difference between pre and post update. GDE blows both away, but post update lost 2 MPG.
Man my 2016 Laramie crew cab 4×4 ecodiesel with 285s at all four corners will take off laying rubber without power braking. All I have on it is a TS PERFORMANCE THROTTLE CONTROL MODULE on it, it takes out the turbo lag and I get 702 miles per tank on the highway getting 27 to 28 miles per gallon, that's after the dealer did what they had to do to it. I have 60,788 miles on it. I do clean my mass air flow sensor and map sensor and defuser tube at every oil change and fuel filter every 15,000 miles. If everyone did this to there ecodiesels the problems would be dramatically reduced.
I would like to see same tests done WITHOUT building boost. Let off brake and floor it and see the results. Most people dont build boost from a dead stop when driving.
Don't hammer on it when it's cold. Simple! It's normal for engines to perform poorly when they're cold. Some much worse than others. You still have emergency power, but it's normal for engines to dial back when they're below operating temperatures. Ram owners are just not used to the changes, or they're just interested in complaining.
Im a ram fan but man those older eco diesels are crap, but to be honest it looks like 0 difference in performance before and after recall the results were within a margin of error and due to options tire and wheel size etc.
This. I haven’t heard any complaints that it was slow after being heated up and the RPMs loaded before a 0-60 attempt. My complaint was poor throttle response from a normal start, and that it was even worse when cold. This business with loading the throttle seemed to be done to deliver a specific result. Most people don’t drive like that. The test needs to be redone with vehicles that are not modified and have the same powertrain aside from the AEM, and under normal driving conditions.
Good comparison, however the tests that still need to be done are acceleration with the engine cold and gas mileage. That seems to be where most complaints have been. Also I think that owners need to remember that this is a diesel and not a Hemi. It will never be a hot rod. If you want it for gas mileage then you need to baby it off of the line. Mine is a 2014 Tradesman with 60K. Did not notice a significant difference after the recall. Still loving it!
You're right Lou. A lot of questions left unanswered in the video. I bought my Big Horn new in 2015. I have 61K on it now. Zero major issues. Average 21 MPG city unloaded after emissions recall. Only one regen in four and a half years of ownership. Cleared it self in 7 miles at highway speed. Everything on it is original except the tires and headlights. I bought it knowing it was slower then a Ford and GM, Toyota and Nissan. I bought it for RAM (Not DODGE or FIAT) above average fit and finish and capability and the color. I bought it for the ride and handling. All brands of trucks in respective classes perform ALMOST equally on and off road unmodified. I've owned GM, Ford, Ram and Toyota. I was pleased with everyone I've owned. There will always be lemons in the bunch regardless the name or brand or year. If corporations weren't so set on the bottom line, every brand would be perfect. It would only be a matter of color and style then. So to all you fan boys out there. You're truck/car is no better than mine.
Truck with check engine light was mostly likely in an after treatment derate. Starts at 25% power cut then jumps up to higher percentage if you keep driving it without fixing it until you’re limited to 5 mph
I beg to differ. Ecodiesel with that high of miles. Probably has broken SCR bolts and has melted the DEF injector. Setting a reluctant pump performance code. See it all the time. Usually make it to about 100,000 kms when this happens.
So sick of the loud music, y'all. I can barely understand what Andre is saying much of the time. Get a better audio mixer or hire me. Tired of complaining about this.
One key thing also is one truck is trying to rotate a 20" rim which is much heavier than the others 17" rim. Im thinking if they were both identical the pre and post recall race would be even more of a difference.
What year truck, 2dr or crew, 2wd or 4wd? Car & driver got 14 city/ 18 hwy with a 2019 6.2l gmc 1500 crew 4wd Car & Driver got 40.6 mpg hwy with the new 3.0L Inline 6 diesel in a similar model (crew, 4wd) chevy 1500. Also they 6.2L and 3.0L diesel options are the same price over the 5.3L ona LTZ model , on less trim models the 5.3L is a $1395 option.
@@JerseyMikeP my truck is gmc 2016 CCSB 4x4 6.2 max tow gearing. when it was stock, 23 hwy was possible on premium fuel, mostly city mixed use rang up 15-16 MPG. I've since lifted it about 5 inches and its on 35x12.50x20 and now gets 14 city and only 18-19 highway. Hand calculated, tire size dialed in, as close as i can get it numbers. 76,000 miles on it now.
The big problem after the recall is the drivability, not the top end performance. It feels like you have a sponge on top of the throttle! And of course the soot load has also change in that you get a lot more regens on the DEF system.
I just heard from the Dealer that FCA has traced a bunch of these blown engines to the fact that in certain regions of the country they upped the biodiesel content from less than 10% to up to 20%. The small nozzles in the ecodiesel can't atomize the biofuel. They claim they have traced engine failures region by region as the higher bio content hits the market. My dealer said to find stations that sell the lower bio content or better even no bio at all. They now say oil change intervals need to drop to 7000 miles and to run CR fuel Therapy or Hot Shots Diesel to every other fill up.
I was running biomass fuel from Propel stations in my Ecodiesel for about 2 years. I only stopped using the biomass fuel because the fueling locations were not convenient. Though I will run the fuel when I drive close to a fueling point. My truck has 134,000 miles and counting. The biomass fuel is imported to California from Finland. A plant was built in the Milpitas area. Cal EPA will not certify the fuel without data. The base stocks are the same. But the distilation process is different. The fuel meets the same ASTM as the petroleum fuel. In Europe this fuel is blended 30% biomass to 70% petroleum fuel. I found that my truck runs best with a 50% blend. My truck is a 2016 Ram Quadcab 4wd 3.92 ratio, 33" tires and a 2"lift. There is a camper shell, loaded with gear. I have a Ranch Hand Legend bumper to deal with deer, cows, and other roadkill. My wife used to have a 2014 Ram 1500 Crewcab 4wd 3.6L with 3.21 gears. She traded that for a 2018 Ram 2500 Crewcab 6.7L Cummins truck. I have had some surgeries that limit how much time I can comfortably ride in her truck. The 1500 is just fine. And since I mostly drive highway. The diesel beats the 3.6L for climbing high mountain passes or dealing with a 30+mph headwinds.
I still don’t understand why people keep commenting about the music.. when a million other people just commented about the music! Just like there post dang it!
The last race probably should have been even or redone because Andre got a bit of a jump. The fact is that the vast majority of the Rams, before and after the flash have not changed other than with emissions. There are enough that ARE affected to make a proper correction by Ram necessary! In my personal, local experience with a couple of car clubs and a group of ranchers and farmers, there still is no one that has had issues, whether they messed with their trucks or not. The tune that guy has seems to be a nice set up. My theory is simple,,,,, Gremlins!!
There's seriously no better way to start the day than watching TFL's latest upload with your breakfast. Thank you guys for uploading most mornings. We appreciate your hard work and dedication to these videos!
Had the recall done to my 15 ED 6 weeks ago. Awful throttle response, lost 5 mpg, SCR failed and was replaced, got so hot burnt a 1 inch hole in the intake manifold and melted the boost sensor. Last week #2 piston hit the valves. I am picking it up today with a new engine installed. I hope this ends my trucks problems. The dealership has been great to work with and said it is the new 2020 ecodiesel upgraded engine they installed. Time will tell.
I'm still wavering on whether or not to have my truck in for the recall. I love it's mileage and performance as it is now (it's a 2015 Lonestar 2-WD). I'd really hate to see it's response, mileage and performance reduced just to get a couple thousand bucks.
I am confused didn’t GDE get shut down by the EPA? I guess that guy just wants the EPA to know he is guilty of tampering with emissions and the dealer knows his warranty should be null and void.
Ram sure is going to heck in a handbasket, putting a Italian made diesel in an Icon of American trucks is just plain un-American. The old inline 6 diesels lasted forever but an "Italian" made diesel, you'll be lucky to get 100k on it.
Please redo this without the brake torquing or boost preload. No one drives like this on the street. Just take off from a stop. This will show the accelerator lag. Also, it might help to show a final results table of stock pre AEM, stock post AEM, and tuned, since the video doesn't show them sequentially.
Mine is terrible until it warms up (5-10 minutes) Use to love the truck and had to be careful with the throttle at start or I would light up the tires. Now, nothing. Give me my 3K and truck will be traded in immediately.
This truck doesn't like to be brake boosted, it will start in a higher gear and leave you on the line for awhile. Either try slamming on the throttle and waiting for the boost or brake boost it with paddle shift in sport mode. Both ways are much faster than brake boosting in regular mode. Also the check engine you got is probably from holding the brake and throttle at the same time. It will go away after 3 engine cycles. Very annoying CEL.
You need a longer testing facility. Gives me anxiety seeing these 12 second 0-60 times where you literally run off of the track. No one wants to see you get hurt
@mark robertson I don't think you understood the point I was making. The video doesn't address the key of the complaints owners were making. If TFL tosses out a key variable (Engine temp) from the complaints, of course they aren't going to see similar results to the owners who were making the complaints. Whether you should/shouldn't floor a cold engine has no bearing on duplicating the complaints as TFL was attempting.
Say mpg before and after my mpg went to crap after reprogram and my trans was clunking from 2nd to 1st and dealer wouldn’t replace it I spent $6500 get new one and I had 81,000 miles on it I now have a tune mpg went up but not like it was before I’d like to get 25 mpg and up like I used to haven’t seen it yet
All I know is this engine makes the Ram slow AF. When I drove an ecodiesel for the first time I was pulling out on a busy road and when I hit the pedal it didn’t even move for what felt like an eternity. Then when it did it was slow and steady. I’m not an old man yet I like how my truck feels motivated on gas with the 5.7. Spare me all those diesel complications.
Test was fine but i feel like you have missed the point a bit. The "cheating" was never about the power or milage when going full throttle, it was about response and milage when driving normal/like the test procedure. As i am shure you know diesel engines car be ran very lean, espicially at low power output, but it translates to hotter cumbustion and more gasses like NOx.
Unfortunately, All but dime store diesel tuners have been shut down by the EPA and CARB in the US. It's going to be much more difficult for tuners that from now on will have to have government approval for their "emission compliant" tunes.
Great review. The difference isn't massive and I thought it would be. I guess an MPG loop would reveal more information.
Are you smoking crack? This review is pointless. You are testing a tuned Truck against a recall Truck? Your variables are all over the place. I know they are trying their best, but this shouldn't even been posted because it doesn't show anything valuable.
Jay Trock You clearly suffer from attention deficit disorder. Watch the review again, if it's still not clear, phone a friend. 🙄
This testing does not prove much. Egr is off in full load acceleration. Redoing it with the trucks from dead stop or as you mentioned an mpg loop.
@@jaytrock3217 it showes that that pre recall truck is a hell of a lot quicker off the line than the recall truck. I think a lot of people would find that helpful. No need to be so hostile.
Alex Puls “a hell of lot quicker”?!?!?! What video did you watch? I saw it being slightly quicker which is no surprise
The random loud music makes it impossible to hear Andre when he’s talking
Yes absolutely unnecessary to be that loud
And you pay how much for this content? Oh, yeah, you don't. STFU.
Headphones seem to help a lot, maybe just a frequency thing with the loud speakers. Are you using headphones?
I hear him fine. Maybe they fixed it.
@@donleamon8653 Why are you telling people to shut up? They're just expressing an opinion.
Get Rid of The Music!
Get rid of the music!
tow master no joke your couldn’t hear him at some lints of the video
Who decided to include the obnoxious droning of sound... I can’t call it music ... ought to be FIRED....!!!!
At like 3:48 there is a four runner hauling ass in reverse in the background
Austin Blackburn I wonder if it really was or the shot was run backwards for some reason.
It's just a shot they reversed in editing. It's easier to do that and keep the subject in frame than to go down to up
🤣👍🏻
I love it.
4runners don’t haul ass
The music is way to loud , having trouble hearing Andre talk. Thanks for the video .
I heard him just fine.
Guys, it's not all about 0-60 differences. I've got a 2014 jeep grand cherokee ecodiesel and went through the process as well. When I first got the jeep in 2017 at 86k it had the factory tune and got 28mpg on summer blend diesel and about 24mpg on winter blend. I always drive economically and drive about 650mi/week. At 91k I installed my gde hot tune and it increased my winter blend mpg to 29.3mpg and 32.5mpg on summer blend. Once they did the recall update (it's for both the engine ecu and transmission ecu), my summer mpg dropped to 23.6mpg and never tested the winter. The Jeep wasn't just lethargic in traffic it was downright DANGEROUS. I reinstalled my gde tune and regularly get 32.3mpg and have to manually shift my transmission because the recall trans tune keeps the rpms very high as if it's a gas engine and destroys real world fuel economy. I'm planning on getting the trans tune to compliment my gde engine tune. They claim it enhances their engine tune. Basically, the recall tune absolutely ruins these vehicles. They are much slower and won't get out of their own way in city traffic and get extremely poor fuel economy compared to the original tune. One last thing: for the first 13k miles my jeep used a normal amount of def. After a while even with my gde tune it was burning through its entire def tank every 3.2-3.8k miles. Originally the gde tune wasn't doing that, so I assume that the nozzle(s) got stuck open and was always spraying large amounts. Even my exhaust tips were covered in burnt white stuff. Now, after the recall tune, it drank the def fluid the fastest it ever had. It went through nearly the entire def tank in 1.8k miles. Once I got my gde tune back on, it has been completely normal. I've been on my same def tank for about 8.5k miles and it still has 1/4 tank left. It could be that my nozzle(s) were indeed stuck, but I thought I'd share my result. Pre gde, the best my jeep did was almost 6k miles before a def refill, now with gde it looks like it's closer to 10k, even while towing every other weekend.
Enough with the music, can barely hear Andre in some cases, if you have to add music then turn it downll low enough where its only heard when there is no talking or vehicle noise.
I thought this was a truck review, but after watching I realized it’s a musical with trucks in the background
This comment made me lol
7:05 is when they line up to race
Imbeast191 thanks bro
Are the rear ends the same ratio? That would make a difference when it comes to acceleration? Why does TFL never address this in any of their drag races?
a secret or they don't know one from the other. not tech savy
Rumor has it there's another recall before the race ended
This isn't Ford now!
Lol.
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk damn beat me to it.
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk no, it's far worse... (Cry)sler!
CrimsonStang naaaaah.. Ford still is king of that title!!! Ford is the only truck that had broken down on this channel, MULTIPLE TIMES. My rams never left me on the side of the road like my POS f150 did!!
You're right Lou. A lot of questions left unanswered in the video. I bought my Big Horn new in 2015. I have 61K on it now. Zero major issues. Average 21 MPG city unloaded after emissions recall. Only one regen in four and a half years of ownership. Cleared it self in 7 miles at highway speed. Everything on it is original except the tires and headlights. I bought it knowing it was slower then a Ford and GM, Toyota and Nissan. I bought it for RAM (Not DODGE or FIAT) above average fit and finish and capability and the color. I bought it for the ride and handling.
All brands of trucks in respective classes perform ALMOST equally on and off road unmodified. I've owned GM, Ford, Ram and Toyota. I was pleased with everyone I've owned. There will always be lemons in the bunch regardless the name or brand or year. If corporations weren't so set on the bottom line, every brand would be perfect. It would only be a matter of color and style then. So to all you fan boys out there. You're truck/car is no better than mine.
Your truck has regenerated far more than once in 61,000 miles. What you saw was a full DPF warning that required extended driving and complete regeneration, but a DPF will still regenerate actively without warning when they are partially filled.
@@AkioWasRight you're right. I should have said 'only once did the DPF get full and gave warning on the dash'. Thanks for that. Every time you drive on highway it cleans the DPF. A full filter will take 20-30 minutes in a commercial truck to clean itself. Less time in my little truck. More than 90% of my driving is city. That to me is amazing for a diesel of any size.
11 minutes of video, 45 seconds of information.
I'm satisfied. People just like to complain. They bought a slow truck and they still have a slow truck.
perspective th-cam.com/video/FiB6IbPs2Zk/w-d-xo.html
@La Flama Blanca ^ likes to complain
I don't think the truck getting slower after the update matters as much as a hit in the fuel mileage, as that's the main reason you buy an ecodiesel, that would be what would make me skip the new computer flash unless you flash a tune on it afterwards, granted, the whole truck is better off deleted and tuned to begin with sooo its like meh?
I watch all of tfl's videos and enjoy the information. You need to tone down the crappy background music while your speaking though.
The music is annoying
So is your comment. It's fine what it is.
Do they have the same rear end ratios? tire diameter the same? does one have heavier tires? This was not covered thouroughly enough.
3.55 vs 3.92. did Andre even mention which ratio was in what truck? Hopefully they had the same, regardless of which axle.
Joseph Parnes the best comparison would be to now have Ram “fix” the white truck and re-run 0-60. But first I would try to test it cold.
Shout out to the white SUV in the background just driving in reverse! LMAO!! 3:49
The difference is huge, my truck , specially when cold is much more sluggish after the recall.
I think if you didn't brake toque at the start you'd have a bigger difference in the results showing the pre-recall truck accelerating quicker. Day to day driving this is where you notice it, and you don't brake torque at every stop sign (at least I don't lol)
How is this "before and after" the Recall, when it's "before recall" and "after a custom tune is installed?!" This is confusing.
Because the guy with the green Ram had 2 ECM's. One was tuned and the other was updated with the newest flash from the dealer. They raced the white Ram (with no new flash) and the green Ram (new flash) to see how they compared. The tuned drag was more of a comparison to see how much better a tuned Eco is.
@jedironin380 Watch the whole video and all will become apparent!
The problem with the Ram Ecodiesel after the "AEM" programming is that the cold temp performance was terrible. I had a 2016 Ram Crew Cab Lonestar 4x4 Ecodiesel. I noticed it immediately when I left the dealership after having the AEM done. I tried to pull out onto a busy service road and even with the pedal floored, it paused a full 2 seconds before going anywhere. Once the truck was at proper operating temperatures, it ran closer to its original performance. The AEM was required because the trucks were putting out too much emissions at cold temps, therefore the computer was programmed to dial back performance at cold temps. I'd like to see this "comparison" done with pre and post AEM trucks at cold temps. This is the only way it will be truly representative of the emissions repair issues.
They get to test all new Ram trucks. Do you think they would admit that the recall ruined your truck ? I know they didn't want to ruin their relationship with Ram. I had to sell my 2016 ecodiesel because it was dangerous to drive when cold.
I guarantee that skinny kid with his hat backwards mixed this video. Music to loud and inconsistent, choppy editing.
Andre did an excellent job as usual taking on the impossible job of trying to find any good points about a Fiat / Ram.
A lot negativity here.
Yeah impossible to find positive things to talk about a Ram when it's not the fastest growing truck in the country and winning awards or anything. Definitely hard to find any good talking points.
Damn Tom.. this is a FREE video. Just enjoy and no need for negativity.
@@MrComputerCoder lol... Right?
I love my hemi ram.
Imagine that a check engine light on an EcoDiesel !!!!!!!!!
It was for the DEF system, just like every other diesel!
CELs are apart of life for almost every diesel these days.
The problem is driving when it's cold. You push the throttle and get almost no response for a solid 2 seconds. That's what this video should've shown
They even did a video about this (their Canadian guy).
Hopefully he's doing something similar but on the trucks cold...
The let it warm up before harming on it. They still respond under emergency, but they will dial back as much possible until they're fully up to temp. That's normal for NOx reduction tuning.
This kind of test would be more informative if it was performed on on a dyno
I think it would have been a better comparison if you had used the stock before recall computer on the same truck as the after recall computer. More apples to apples comparison that way but otherwise great video Andre as usual.
I was hoping they would do 0-60 times when both engines were cold. I thought the complaint of the lag disappears once the truck is warmed up..?
Cant swap computer from truck to truck. Injector codes won't match, truck won't run.
@@hidmagnum yep. Like the guy said in the video, every computer is coded for their specific vin number
sothickitssickk the lag is definitely much worse when it’s cold on my 2016
Like I've said before, what people were complaining about didn't seem abnormal for a truck with a proper emissions system.
Please stop the music......
Alright we'll have a video with no music on smh 🙄😒.
We would like the opportunity to show you what the SFT tuning can do for this vehicle. Engine and transmission tuning. Before and after. How can we make this possible?
I still haven’t got 25 mpg on highway yet with engine and trans tune I thought I would I have stage 1 I’m not messing with dpf it’s gona stay on I’m not paying a 10,000 fine and pay have all that crap put back on another 10,000
This was pretty neat actually - cool to see the tuned ecu vs the "fixed" ecu also. Just goes to show that a custom tune, even without other mods, can be really great.
Get a pedal commander to get rid of the lag time. It works!
Just give us an updated MPG test of the NEW diesel already!!
EPA just released the numbers, there's an article on yahoo about it.
Agree - EPA just released the numbers and it makes no sense that they got 40 mpg in their loop. Hoping they redo and figure out what is going on.
@@rkalla ERA numbers arent always correct.
Both the EPA and their loop could be correct. EPA tests have some weird requirements.
I noticed that y’all have be using music in the background... I don’t like it..
You really really really needed to do an MPG loop. That’s where I’ve noticed the major difference between pre and post update. GDE blows both away, but post update lost 2 MPG.
I always appreciate the consistent comparisons. I also appreciate the tune comparison too. Thanks, good work Andre.
Man my 2016 Laramie crew cab 4×4 ecodiesel with 285s at all four corners will take off laying rubber without power braking. All I have on it is a TS PERFORMANCE THROTTLE CONTROL MODULE on it, it takes out the turbo lag and I get 702 miles per tank on the highway getting 27 to 28 miles per gallon, that's after the dealer did what they had to do to it. I have 60,788 miles on it. I do clean my mass air flow sensor and map sensor and defuser tube at every oil change and fuel filter every 15,000 miles. If everyone did this to there ecodiesels the problems would be dramatically reduced.
I would like to see same tests done WITHOUT building boost. Let off brake and floor it and see the results. Most people dont build boost from a dead stop when driving.
These things when deleted are amazing
Now drive the post AEM cold and drive the pre AEM cold and you'll see how laggy it is.
Exactly !!!!!! Please do it. I think they need to be sued again.
Don't hammer on it when it's cold. Simple! It's normal for engines to perform poorly when they're cold. Some much worse than others. You still have emergency power, but it's normal for engines to dial back when they're below operating temperatures. Ram owners are just not used to the changes, or they're just interested in complaining.
@@AkioWasRight you ever drive a post V08 truck.... It's almost dangerous. You get half way in to an intersection and the truck won't accelerate..
Nice comparison Andre! Would have loved to see the short mpg loop with the tune vs no tune! Keep it up.
Im a ram fan but man those older eco diesels are crap, but to be honest it looks like 0 difference in performance before and after recall the results were within a margin of error and due to options tire and wheel size etc.
I really hope Jason doesn't risk his warranty by showing both computers.
Jason is running the AEM and only put in the GDE for the test. Wink wink
@@HIX6454 , good to know it's all in the name of science. I got ya.
I hope you had the death defying experience pulling into traffic when its cold and it falls on its face and won't move.
This.
I haven’t heard any complaints that it was slow after being heated up and the RPMs loaded before a 0-60 attempt.
My complaint was poor throttle response from a normal start, and that it was even worse when cold.
This business with loading the throttle seemed to be done to deliver a specific result. Most people don’t drive like that. The test needs to be redone with vehicles that are not modified and have the same powertrain aside from the AEM, and under normal driving conditions.
Mine also rarely goes to 8th gear after the aem .. mileage shows it.
So everyone stop crying and let your trucks warm up before you hammer on them.
Good comparison, however the tests that still need to be done are acceleration with the engine cold and gas mileage. That seems to be where most complaints have been. Also I think that owners need to remember that this is a diesel and not a Hemi. It will never be a hot rod. If you want it for gas mileage then you need to baby it off of the line.
Mine is a 2014 Tradesman with 60K. Did not notice a significant difference after the recall. Still loving it!
You're right Lou. A lot of questions left unanswered in the video. I bought my Big Horn new in 2015. I have 61K on it now. Zero major issues. Average 21 MPG city unloaded after emissions recall. Only one regen in four and a half years of ownership. Cleared it self in 7 miles at highway speed. Everything on it is original except the tires and headlights. I bought it knowing it was slower then a Ford and GM, Toyota and Nissan. I bought it for RAM (Not DODGE or FIAT) above average fit and finish and capability and the color. I bought it for the ride and handling.
All brands of trucks in respective classes perform ALMOST equally on and off road unmodified. I've owned GM, Ford, Ram and Toyota. I was pleased with everyone I've owned. There will always be lemons in the bunch regardless the name or brand or year. If corporations weren't so set on the bottom line, every brand would be perfect. It would only be a matter of color and style then. So to all you fan boys out there. You're truck/car is no better than mine.
Truck with check engine light was mostly likely in an after treatment derate. Starts at 25% power cut then jumps up to higher percentage if you keep driving it without fixing it until you’re limited to 5 mph
I beg to differ. Ecodiesel with that high of miles. Probably has broken SCR bolts and has melted the DEF injector. Setting a reluctant pump performance code. See it all the time. Usually make it to about 100,000 kms when this happens.
John wall which would result in a derate. Lol not sure what you’re trying to prove here
So sick of the loud music, y'all. I can barely understand what Andre is saying much of the time. Get a better audio mixer or hire me. Tired of complaining about this.
One key thing also is one truck is trying to rotate a 20" rim which is much heavier than the others 17" rim. Im thinking if they were both identical the pre and post recall race would be even more of a difference.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to do the tuned race after the stock race?
I'm still confused
clear as mud
I have the green deisel engineering tune on my ecodiesel and it gets about 2-3 better mpg than the stock tune.
What fuel economy is the tuned Ecodiesel getting compared to the AEM?
Better. Tuned it is about 28 highway, AEM is like 24
Man both of those trucks look great
Dirt slow. At today’s fuel prices, I will gladly pay for the lower MPG of my 6.2 GMC. 420/460 torque=huge smiles.
Exactly. My 5.0 F-150 will do 60 in 6.2 seconds AND get 23.8 real world calculated mpg on the interstate.
What year truck, 2dr or crew, 2wd or 4wd?
Car & driver got 14 city/ 18 hwy with a 2019 6.2l gmc 1500 crew 4wd
Car & Driver got 40.6 mpg hwy with the new 3.0L Inline 6 diesel in a similar model (crew, 4wd) chevy 1500. Also they 6.2L and 3.0L diesel options are the same price over the 5.3L ona LTZ model , on less trim models the 5.3L is a $1395 option.
@@JerseyMikeP my truck is gmc 2016 CCSB 4x4 6.2 max tow gearing. when it was stock, 23 hwy was possible on premium fuel, mostly city mixed use rang up 15-16 MPG. I've since lifted it about 5 inches and its on 35x12.50x20 and now gets 14 city and only 18-19 highway. Hand calculated, tire size dialed in, as close as i can get it numbers. 76,000 miles on it now.
The big problem after the recall is the drivability, not the top end performance. It feels like you have a sponge on top of the throttle! And of course the soot load has also change in that you get a lot more regens on the DEF system.
TFL usually test new trucks so it's good to see them test used so they can see how shitty they are with some miles on them.
Reversed clip at 3:50 through me for a loop
I just heard from the Dealer that FCA has traced a bunch of these blown engines to the fact that in certain regions of the country they upped the biodiesel content from less than 10% to up to 20%. The small nozzles in the ecodiesel can't atomize the biofuel. They claim they have traced engine failures region by region as the higher bio content hits the market. My dealer said to find stations that sell the lower bio content or better even no bio at all. They now say oil change intervals need to drop to 7000 miles and to run CR fuel Therapy or Hot Shots Diesel to every other fill up.
I was running biomass fuel from Propel stations in my Ecodiesel for about 2 years. I only stopped using the biomass fuel because the fueling locations were not convenient. Though I will run the fuel when I drive close to a fueling point. My truck has 134,000 miles and counting.
The biomass fuel is imported to California from Finland. A plant was built in the Milpitas area. Cal EPA will not certify the fuel without data. The base stocks are the same. But the distilation process is different. The fuel meets the same ASTM as the petroleum fuel.
In Europe this fuel is blended 30% biomass to 70% petroleum fuel. I found that my truck runs best with a 50% blend.
My truck is a 2016 Ram Quadcab 4wd 3.92 ratio, 33" tires and a 2"lift. There is a camper shell, loaded with gear. I have a Ranch Hand Legend bumper to deal with deer, cows, and other roadkill.
My wife used to have a 2014 Ram 1500 Crewcab 4wd 3.6L with 3.21 gears. She traded that for a 2018 Ram 2500 Crewcab 6.7L Cummins truck. I have had some surgeries that limit how much time I can comfortably ride in her truck. The 1500 is just fine. And since I mostly drive highway. The diesel beats the 3.6L for climbing high mountain passes or dealing with a 30+mph headwinds.
I still don’t understand why people keep commenting about the music.. when a million other people just commented about the music! Just like there post dang it!
What rear ends did they have?
Drag racing trucks makes me laugh. I wish you hauled stuff with the trucks. After all, that's what trucks are built for. Good informative video.
The last race probably should have been even or redone because Andre got a bit of a jump. The fact is that the vast majority of the Rams, before and after the flash have not changed other than with emissions. There are enough that ARE affected to make a proper correction by Ram necessary! In my personal, local experience with a couple of car clubs and a group of ranchers and farmers, there still is no one that has had issues, whether they messed with their trucks or not. The tune that guy has seems to be a nice set up.
My theory is simple,,,,, Gremlins!!
Should have tried them with cold engines... you'd still be driving! My truck sucks now when it's cold. Super dangerous!
Have you tried it in Tow/Haul mode ?
There's seriously no better way to start the day than watching TFL's latest upload with your breakfast. Thank you guys for uploading most mornings. We appreciate your hard work and dedication to these videos!
Both trucks have same diff ratio ?
Just buy a second computer...thats the tuning/warranty hack I have been looking for!!! But...Seeing these times, really glad I got the Hemi!
Had the recall done to my 15 ED 6 weeks ago. Awful throttle response, lost 5 mpg, SCR failed and was replaced, got so hot burnt a 1 inch hole in the intake manifold and melted the boost sensor. Last week #2 piston hit the valves. I am picking it up today with a new engine installed. I hope this ends my trucks problems. The dealership has been great to work with and said it is the new 2020 ecodiesel upgraded engine they installed. Time will tell.
Marty Kroenecke you got lied to. There is no way they put the Gen3 2020 in your truck. You get another Gen2 engine, same as you had before
I'm still wavering on whether or not to have my truck in for the recall. I love it's mileage and performance as it is now (it's a 2015 Lonestar 2-WD). I'd really hate to see it's response, mileage and performance reduced just to get a couple thousand bucks.
I am confused didn’t GDE get shut down by the EPA? I guess that guy just wants the EPA to know he is guilty of tampering with emissions and the dealer knows his warranty should be null and void.
Ram sure is going to heck in a handbasket, putting a Italian made diesel in an Icon of American trucks is just plain un-American. The old inline 6 diesels lasted forever but an "Italian" made diesel, you'll be lucky to get 100k on it.
Please redo this without the brake torquing or boost preload. No one drives like this on the street. Just take off from a stop. This will show the accelerator lag. Also, it might help to show a final results table of stock pre AEM, stock post AEM, and tuned, since the video doesn't show them sequentially.
Bad timing...EPA is cracking down on people who tune diesels specifically if they delete the EGR/DEF/DPF systems.
I wanted to see someone do this. Thank you TFL!
So when you brake boost the rams, it cuts the timing about 6 degrees! It's actually better just to floor it off the line
How do I clear a check engine light? I already looked under the hood and the engine is still there.
remove the engine, duh
@@Dexter_Solid Code came back. Checked engine. Engine Gone. Now what?
dchawk81 is the light still on?
@@Dexter_Solid the light's on but nobody's home.
dchawk81 if no one is home, replace hamster and inspect hamster wheel for wear
Mine is terrible until it warms up (5-10 minutes) Use to love the truck and had to be careful with the throttle at start or I would light up the tires. Now, nothing. Give me my 3K and truck will be traded in immediately.
Love the video but what about mpg
Tuners are now flashed at home, cost went way up...
This truck doesn't like to be brake boosted, it will start in a higher gear and leave you on the line for awhile.
Either try slamming on the throttle and waiting for the boost or brake boost it with paddle shift in sport mode. Both ways are much faster than brake boosting in regular mode.
Also the check engine you got is probably from holding the brake and throttle at the same time. It will go away after 3 engine cycles. Very annoying CEL.
That white truck has a 3.92 rear end I would say with the tow mirrors. What’s the other one have 3.21/3.55?????
Last I check GDE is out of commission
Philip Ma along with most other USA tuners. Damn EPA
I would have loved a MPG loop of both trucks.
You need a longer testing facility. Gives me anxiety seeing these 12 second 0-60 times where you literally run off of the track. No one wants to see you get hurt
Race is at 6:38
You need to test the post recall diesel when it’s cold.
Aren't the reported issues with how the engine performs when cold. Doing the tests with a warm engine really misses the point doesn't it?
@mark robertson I don't think you understood the point I was making. The video doesn't address the key of the complaints owners were making. If TFL tosses out a key variable (Engine temp) from the complaints, of course they aren't going to see similar results to the owners who were making the complaints. Whether you should/shouldn't floor a cold engine has no bearing on duplicating the complaints as TFL was attempting.
Thanks for the review Andre.
Why is the check engine light on on the white truck there may be p problem with the truck that may slow it down
Say mpg before and after my mpg went to crap after reprogram and my trans was clunking from 2nd to 1st and dealer wouldn’t replace it I spent $6500 get new one and I had 81,000 miles on it I now have a tune mpg went up but not like it was before I’d like to get 25 mpg and up like I used to haven’t seen it yet
3.55 vs 3.92. did Andre even mention which ratio was in what truck? Hopefully they had the same, regardless of which axle.
Would be interested to see this same test after the VA7 performance update released spring 2020.
I'm confused as too which it the 2014 and which is 2015
Great review Andre.
All I know is this engine makes the Ram slow AF. When I drove an ecodiesel for the first time I was pulling out on a busy road and when I hit the pedal it didn’t even move for what felt like an eternity. Then when it did it was slow and steady. I’m not an old man yet I like how my truck feels motivated on gas with the 5.7. Spare me all those diesel complications.
Test was fine but i feel like you have missed the point a bit. The "cheating" was never about the power or milage when going full throttle, it was about response and milage when driving normal/like the test procedure. As i am shure you know diesel engines car be ran very lean, espicially at low power output, but it translates to hotter cumbustion and more gasses like NOx.
Ask Green Diesel Engineering how they’re doing with the EPA right now. One hint, they aren’t selling anything right now.
Unfortunately, All but dime store diesel tuners have been shut down by the EPA and CARB in the US. It's going to be much more difficult for tuners that from now on will have to have government approval for their "emission compliant" tunes.