Can the 2020 Ram EcoDiesel Out-tow the Mighty HEMI on the World's Toughest Towing Test? Ike Gauntlet
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I bought the eco diesel with the 3.92 axle ratio. Pulls equal to my 2013 hemi did and gets double the fuel economy almost. (15 compared to 8 mpg). Best truck I've ever owned. 2020 ecodiesel limited.
What kind of mpg does your new truck get when not towing?
@@MrCurt54661 I average around 30.1 mpg. Combined. Driving 70-80 mph on hwy.
8.9L/100km and 115-125 km/h for metric people.
Sold my 2016 Limited in 2019. Wish that I never would have but needed to unfortunately. Best truck ever
Love my 2021 Limited Ecodiesel! So far the best truck I’ve ever had!
@@Turvok Holy Crap are you serious? 30mpg is unreal; I didn’t know the ecodiesels were that good on fuel.
Results
Hemi- 7.42 minutes 4.7 mpg
Ecodiesel- 8.43 minutes 5.4 mpg
I wonder what the mpg of the Hemi would be if the speed up the mountain was as slow as the Ecodiesel.
Knowing at what RPM your motor produces peak Torque goes a long way to improving your economy while towing.
The 5.7 V8 doesn't have actually have hemispheric piston heads, they're the same as any other interfere engine.
@@BigGroupHug You're right, it's a better design shaped more like a canoe instead of a true hemispherical plain like the old heads.
Not worth the extra 5k.. IMO!
@@JPEBeard That's $5k over a 3.6 V6. The hemi is a $1495 option in the same truck so the step increase is $3500.
Yes the ecodiesel out tows the hemi every day and twice on Sunday and passes gas stations while doing so
I like seeing the temperatures, we need more of that.
I own a 2020 1500 Laramie EcoDiesel and the truck is amazing! Great fuel economy and towing power combined. The Laramie package offers a super comfortable ride in the cabin. It is an all-around amazing truck. I was just on this same stretch of I-70 today, not towing anything, but passing cars in the left lane at 75mph with power to spare. Downhill I had cruise control set and it kept my speed within 3mph at all times with no manual braking. Overall from Denver to Frisco and back, 28 mpg! And with the 33 gallon fuel tank I barely used over 1/4 tank. Can't say enough good things about this truck.
I have a 2014 ecodeisel had a few issues with it the first couple years. But it has proven to be a reliable vehicle the last six years.
Tows my tractor just fine.
For those curious;
I own a 2020 Ram Ecodiesel Longhorn.
Has the max trailer package w/ 3.55 axle ratio, 4x4 3.0L Turbo diesel.
It feels torquey. Those wondering about the fuel mileage, I pull a 5,800 pound camper with this truck (which has 21k miles and is bone stock).
Typically I’m able to maintain around 12-13 mpg @ 65mph. Without a trailer, max mpg I’ve seen (driving from Texas to Illinois) was 32 mpg.
Of course, going up steep grades and being at altitude will cause more strain and bring down the mpg significantly. I can’t speak for large grades and altitude however, I haven’t traveled any farther west than New Mexico in this truck yet.
Great video as always guys! I was really surprised by the ecodiesels downhill performance! Looking forward to the 2020 Gold hitch and gold winch awards!
Family member of mine has a 22 eco diesel and he loves it. Bad to the bone truck
I really like these Ecodiesel trucks. I looking to upgrade my 2015 to a new one soon. Thanks for the great videos of real-life testing, You guys rock.
Finally! Can't miss any episode of Ike Gauntlet!
Love you guys and your real world reviews, as a Co resident I really appreciate the I70 testing
As always, thanks for the great job TFL. Anxiously awaiting a GM comparison like this. 5.3 gas vs new I6 diesel.
5.3 would get stomped lol, better a 6.2 would compare against the 3.0, both put out 460 lb ft tq. 1500rpm diesel 4100rpm gas both max
Wonder how it would do with the 70hp tune same towing test
You guys could sell your show to a cable tv channel. “This Old House” meets “Car and Driver”. Great corny humor and you know your numbers. Great job. Can’t wait to get a 2020 Ram thanks to your videos over the last year.
I'd be interested to see how the 3.55 ratio compares to the 3.92 with a diesel.
that would be great video same truck only difference is the diff
Thanks again for the great info my friend . 👍👍👍 .
I like the fact you can get the Tradesman with a Eco Diesel. Looks like they finally got the Eco Diesel sorted out.
Not anymore only come in rebel packages moving forward
@@adamderoches8723 Sounds like they stole a page out of the GM play book.
A little off topic, but this is why i say, if you really want an extremely capable overlander truck, that had range, and you weren't interested in heavy towing at highway speeds, just needed low end grunt and crawl-ability, then go with a PowerWagon having an 8 speed and an Ecodiesel. Why Ram, don't you offer the Wagon with the Eco? The thing would crawl with much less weight on the front end, and would have the torque to do as much or more than the v8 below 40mph where the Wagon spends most it's time anyway and it would do all this with extended mileage range. And then, in a worst case scenario, if you absolutely had to tow something really heavy somewhere, you could still do it, sure a little slower uphill, but you darnsure could, and yes you'd need a couple cheap airbags for increased cargo, but you would then have a truck that could "do it all" Might not win any races, ok it wouldn't win any races, but it would finish ALL em, just, a little slower tortoise and hare style.
About dam time the ike is back !!!!!!
So is this the same preproduction truck that Ram gave you and said "you cant trust the dash readout cause we're still calibrating it"?
I am so impressed with the Ecodiesel.
That Ram truck is the benchmark for sure. They are siphoning tons of cash from the other tuck makers and showing them how a well engineered truck should perform. Great show Ram!
You should put the Tradesman 3.55 against a Limited 3.92. Let’s talk “Gold Star” 👍🏼
How much did the Rebel change from stock to modified going up the Ike? I think this is good info for people wanting to put 35's on the truck, which will hurt braking and acceleration.
Both very nice trucks. Thanks for the review.
Looks like I've found my new truck👍 The range on these things blew my mind.
Lose the egr and def system, install a mild tune and I bet it will surpass those numbers with ease.
Yep the gasser's at 5,000 RPM sounds like it's going to blow up the whole time it's pulling that Hill and the diesels just lugging away no problem
I want to see the MPG of the Eco-Diesel. You left us with that cliff hanger and now you've uploaded all these other videos and haven't finished that. I mean at least you could do is give an ETA or a reason if you aren't allowed to do the rerun for some legal purposes.
BTW you guys have great content.
It gets shit mpg. Theoretically if should get around 30mpg, but they shoke it to not outshine their gas options. Money.
Stay tuned.....lol
The Puppet Of Everything incorrect
At 16.58 they show 5.4mpg on the bottom left.
There are no conspiracies regarding fuel consumption.
Lol, now compare the 2019 2500 with the 6.4hemi vs the Cummins
Also plz get a 6.4 hemi paired with the 4.10. The 3.73 doesn’t compare when towing
6.4L has 8 speed now so the need for 4.10 gears with stock tires isn’t nearly as important as before.
Yes! Can’t wait to see the 8 speed paired with the 6.4.
I would like this as well. I am leaning towards purchasing the Ram Cummins 2500 but would love to see the big hemi as well. Both set up for towing, in 4wd. I will be buying a 3/4 ton regular cab 4wd. Ford and GM are more towards a different clientele than me. It will be a desert, daily driver, weekend pull the camper truck. No leather. Too hot here in the desert.
Jay P I’ve pulled with both axle ratios and the 8 speed, And Believe me. You really notice the difference on hills
@@Big.Ron1 I went with the 2500 cummins tradesman about a year ago, it has plenty of amenities for me with it being plain Jane right out of the box. I tow 7-8k with plenty of power to spare on many steep grades. it averages 19 when unhooked, when Im towing its at 14 mpg. Ive done the gasser towing thing, it will get the job done, its great if you have to pee every hour...pee& fill up...rinse and repeat....around 6-7 mpg with the same load ( 2500 GMC 6.0) Gas eventually ate a deeper hole in my wallet than diesel did over mixed highway driving. However, Im not sure I would use the cummins as a daily driver, however a lot of people do....your mileage may drop if it has to go through more regens and the EGR may eventually act up forcing you to consider " How in the world did those parts fall off ?". I can honestly say I have never noticed my truck going through a regen, but I do tow at least 50% of the time...probably keeps the soot burned off. Diesel only works for me because I use a beater of a 2002 corolla for daily driving. Def Fluid is a minimal expense, I use about 5 gallons every 10K. If I could find myself a Gasser that gave me 14 mpg at towing 7-8k and 500-600 Ftlbs of torque I would not have bothered with a diesel, but those numbers in a gasser are as elusive as big foot riding a unicorn.
I've owned both, but the Ecodiesel tows easier than the hemi. Hemi is a bit quicker, but mpg non towing of the Eco is unreal, over 30 mpg. 3:92's on both.
I own that Hemi Ram, same colors and everything, LOVE IT!!!
I just want them lights on the bed, but I have a toolbox, will they still fit? And can I get a link to them?
Watching this again 2 years later. What’s your opinion Andre if/when the ecodiesel has 3.92 gears? I’m an off-roader so even though I’d love to have a rebel or PW I’m leaning toward a fully loaded tradesman as I already have a fully loaded bighorn 4x4 crew cab with a hemi which is great for family road trips. I don’t tow with it and I avg 20 mpg on 33x11 all terrain tires.
Great video. How about you do a comparison between all 3 diesels. MPG, Performance and towing. I'd love to see the results especially against the GM. Thanks.
I agree. Do a comparison of all three but with similar drivetrains and cab configurations.
I'd like to see how the different factory gear ratios compare as well. That would be quite a few different configurations I guess.
Yes but please do one 2wd, one 4wd, and one on only 3 wheels.
Put a chip in one, unplug the glow plugs of another, and hook a parachute to the last one.
Make it random too.
The GM 3.0 ran 8 minutes flat
Great review. I'd love to see this new Ecodiesel compared to Kelsey's tuned Ecodiesel. Any chance of getting them together? ;)
Awesome video! I agree, it would’ve been nice if the weather had cooperated so the tests could’ve been a little more “apples to apples” comparisons.
Can you confirm the rear in the ecodiesel? I think it is only available with a 3.92 or 3.21
2020
Ecodiesel Ike Time and MPG:
08:43 5.4 mpg
2015
Ecodiesel Ike Time and MPG:
09:03 6.1mpg
Are the eco diesel reliable?
Yeah my neighbour has one and it’s got over 370 000 miles on it
@TFLTruck would you say that this eco diesel 1500 ram would change you answer to a yes for towing 9000 lbs? This is in relation to the 2019 F150 vs F250 video.
love you guys . great trucks
I have not heard you guys use that song in years so I had to double check it was a new video.
when's the mpg loop gonna be released again
Love watching these towing videos up and down the Ike gauntlet.
I’m really starting to like the Ram Ecodiesel. Looks like a great truck and for a very good price.
Glad you gave the transmission temp. Could we get that info on more tests?
i just wanted to ask if this ecodiesel was totally stock? What do you think of the tune and delete option to avoid all the problems with the EGR cooler
I love watching these guys
I wonder what the coolant, oil and trans temps were for the hemi a the end of the run?
I enjoy all your tests up the Ike, I was wondering if you could add another category of reliability ratings to the tests, thanks
Question: I just bought a 2019 tradesman 1500 eco diesel and the payload is 988#. You guys said the 4x2 payload was 2000#. Do you have any insight to the reason for this? I’m frustrated because my tongue weight takes up most of the 988!
I had the 5.7 in a 2013 Outdoorsman towing a 5k lbs off-road trailer. When asked I would say "The 5.7 Hemi V8 is the best V6 I have ever owned." Traded it for a Cummins 3 years later.
So the only real problem in this video I noticed was the towing time which in turn would be the pickup speed. The squat can be fix very easy if your going to be pulling that kind of weight. The 1/2 mpg shouldn't be such a big deal. What should be in the factor is 0-45 mph for pickup speed and 45-0 mph stopping power. On a incline, decline and level ground because everyone wants to know the safety of the towing capabilities. I think the sound test is pretty cool. I also think if it has 4x4 it should have a roll in there somewhere and not for playing in the mud or off roads.
I drive a ford 6.2. That hemi sounds good going up that hill! It's nice that it let's you give it all! That's what I like about my truck.
When Mr.truck heard the comparison between the ram eco diesel and the Ford tiny power stroke the look on the face is priceless
I would like to see this test again with the 3.92 gears on the eco diesel. would be interesting how much faster it could potentially be.
I have the same question.
Not mentioning the axle ratios is silly. The V8 maxes out at around 12500 and the diesel maxes at around 9600.
We’re did you guys get the towing capacity for the rebel? Every rebel I see has a max towing of 7100-7400.
I'd like to know if the EcoDiesel was in Regen during this test?
I would like to see max tow of any car or truck with a hitch like Jeep Wrangler and so on
What happened with the editing on this video. It was all over the place
Hey for all you truck guys out there, I have an OBS C1500, specifically a ‘94 RWD V6 5spd, what can I do to make it better, and more confidence inspiring while towing and carrying a load in the bed? I’ve heard things like poly or delrin bushings, replacing the rear diff with a posi, rebuilding the leaf springs, putting on heavier duty shocks. Engine and transmission swaps are not in the cards right now, and won’t be affected by anything I do to the rear end anyway.
Hello, would you recommend the Ram 1500 rebel 3.0l ecodiesel?
So they keep making a big deal about ram having an 8 speed while gm and ford have 10 speeds but at least ram doesnt give you an old 6 speed in the lower trims like gm. You gotta spend almost 50k to get a ten speed in a chevy.
Considering trading in my 5th gen hemi for eco diesel. I do lots of around town driving with a little 3000 lbs trailer. Is it worth it?
How much weight were they towing??
Can we please get the new 2500 ram 6.4 8 speed on the mountain
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That 1 not?
Brandon Tormaschy no that’s 2500 6.4 with a 6 speed the 6.4s with the 8 speed just came out for 2019
Wondering how my mom has a 2013 1500 big horn, with the 8 speed then?
@@brandontormaschy6977 does your moms 1500 have a 6.4? No 1500 with the 5.7 and 3.6 have had the 8 speed since 2013 the 2500 with the 6.4 had the 6 speed in 2014 and the 2500s just got the 8 speed with the 6.4 in 2019
I love how Andre said the MPG was “Much Better in the ecodiesel”... 5.4mpg vs 4.7mpg... that’s only 0.7mpg difference... 😂
Paul Helms that’s a 15 percent improvement
That’s is a lot
Keep in mind this is some of the worst conditions any reasonable human would push a half ton into
Keep in mind that the Rebel has larger tires then stock. If it hasn't been calibrated then the speedo showing 60mph is going to be higher and the lie o meter is off worse then what it is with stock tires.
@@joetz1 It's not a lot considering the Hemi is a 4x4 Rebel and is modified.
Smarter Than You - you haven’t gone camping with our group. We go about 5 miles up a goat trail to a plateau. Our trailers are heavily modified, you can’t get there without a lift on your vehicle, it is absolutely so much fun.
Hey,. Nice thorough comparison. Thank eh
Didn’t the diesel up shift at around 11:45 and not downshift? The rpms went down which would indicate an up shift.
Yep. It didn't hold at redline, it upshifted to save itself.
N Pooch yeah they said it downshifted there. If it had downshifted they would have been picking up engine parts off the road. 😂
@@JonBecker81 I think he meant it shifted, he just mispoke.
gpage they were BOTH talking about how it downshifted 😂. I think they just got a little excited.
I came down to the comments to make this point. :-)
What truck engine you recommend me for my new Ram 2022 limited ? I’m not towing but I want to use my truck for long travels and weekends
Do you guys do several runs and then avg the numbers on mpg and break use?
Please test the 2019 ram 2500 4x4 6.4
8 speed. Towing and mpg with out towing!
I have a 2019 6.4 2500. I average 16.5 to 17 mpg per tank. On pretty flat ground I get about 18.6 mpg at 75 mph. Towing around 8,000 lbs up mountain grades I am averaging 8mpg
That’s pretty dang good! Thanks for the info. 👍🏻
@@AnthonyWilliams-sj6cm Would you say towing 8000 lbs around flat ground would average 10-12mpg?
Very very difficult decision for me to make here in the next few weeks, we're picking up a Travel Trailer right after the new year, the model I'm looking at is about 7500lbs, I'm torn between a gas and diesel, my budget is around 50k, I know I can get a 6.4 Hemi Laramie loaded for that give or take a few bucks, or go for a lower Cummins trim, Tradesman maybe big horn
It would be a daily driver and my commute is about 3 miles, I'm thinking we'd take the travel trailer out 4-5 times a year, don't really know if a diesel is the smart way to go
I've never owned a diesel, just want to make sure I make the right decision...
@@AnthonyWilliams-sj6cm same but I only have a 2018 6.4 dually. I wonder if I could have the 8 speed installed in mine
@@AnthonyWilliams-sj6cm What Gear ratio are you running?
Can you do a max payload/gvw mpg for us on the 100 mile loop. I'm guessing the bed can handle 1500 pounds or something like that.
Anyhow thank you for another great video.
I know this was a pre production truck so will TFL revisit the RAM 1500 eco diesel with a production vehicle? When I price to build the 1500 only the 3.92 rearend is available with the diesel. Mr Tuck said the one tested had the 3.55 rear end
Just wondering how much effect the larger/heavier tires had on the Rebel. I have a 2019 Ram 1500 with the Off Road package and 3:92 gears. I leveled it, and put 35X12.50-18 Nitto tires and Method aluminum rims. Instantly dropped 2 MPG, and it feels like a little loss of acceleration and towing power. How about a test comparing stock truck to after lift/level and larger tires; no other modifications like a tuner, etc. Nice video. Love your work.
I have a 2019 ram 1500 5.7 put a 3 half inch lift on it , went from 18 tins to 20 and went from 275 tires to 35x12.5 R20 it was slow like you said but I installed a k&n throttle control module and damn it picks up faster then it being stock but you could replace the throttlebody with a bbk 95mm but idk how much big of a difference would it be
What kind of oil temps were you running with both?
Do you have the cruise control set at 60 when you're doing the downhill test
You know that Ford and GM are going to bump their numbers within the year. 500 ftlb just around the corner.
Turning on power enrichment would be a start... Adding more/bigger factory cats to prevent 'cat overtemp' would be nice too.
Would like to see vids on 3.21 vs 3.55 vs 3.92 gas tow ect
Hey guys, I see you got the Hemi Ram truck at Johnson Auto Plaza. Are you happy with their service and did they give you a SMOKIN deal ? I bought my 18 Ram 5500 there and so I am curious about your experience with them.
You said "Faster than the F150", but you're pulling 800lbs less than the most recent F150 test I can find.
The trailer/load should be unchanged if you're going to make comparison between trucks.
I agree.....stripped 2wd
I'd imagine the truck weighs 800 lbs. That's probably where they get their added a hundred pounds of towing. They usually try to keep things pretty close and just on up where they can.
Can it show some metal shavings in the oil filter as good as the diesel from lower bearings?
What do you guys know about the new F150 super snake pickup? Any reviews coming ?
I really enjoy these videos on this channel, but owning a 2021 Rebel Ecodiesel myself I was really disappointed here. 1) You just can’t do a true towing comparison with drastically different gear ratios as the 3.92 is going to be a huge advantage for towing, 2) you can’t drive a diesel like a gas engine with your foot “on the floor.” The diesel makes peak torque at only 1,600 RPM’s so when you mash the pedal to the floor and rev it up high, you’re trying to tow using horsepower and not torque.
I pull a RV trailer weighing in at 9,700 lbs with my Ecodiesel with 3.92 gears and here’s how to get the magic torque out of these little engines. When approaching a grade while towing, make sure you’re in 6th gear and adjust your speed so that your RPM’s are LESS than 2,500. Remember, this engine makes peak torque at 1,600 so you don’t want to move too far away from that range. As you start to climb, it’s ok to let the engine pull down to around 1,900 to 2,200 RPM’s. Once it reaches that sweet spot, it will hold the speed and climb just about anything faster than trying to redline the engine!
I just grimaced when he kept a saying his foot was on the floor and I saw the RPM’s were way too high for a diesel. Keep driving gassers if that’s how you’re always going to do it.
Demolition-tow theme music!
Can you guys please review the Curt BetterWeigh for trailering. Especially for scenarios where you are loading and unloading the trailer? I think it is a great widget for those of us not experienced with trailers.
I love how everyone is all over gear ratios and estimated calculated fuel figures. The dash MPG is not actually what it’s getting and resetting for a short run like that doesn’t give you an idea of what your gonna get, there is way to many variables to determine a tow MPG rating across all users and conditions. Your only seeing approx fuel consumption in a 8 miles uphill stretch of road at Xmph and X amount of weight. Something y’all don’t consider is Diesel has a much higher BTU per volume but also is an unrestricted type engine, it runs full volumetric efficacy at all rpm and load conditions allowing for more efficacy in all conditions.
Side note: a tuned ecodiesel with or without emissions will dominate a hemi all day long. They have a lot of torque management and timing reduction programmed in for EPA restrictions, gas doesn’t have near the restrictions Diesel does. The EPA and government are trying to keep diesel out of the public transportation section to balance fuel consumption rates across the country. Meaning they want the public to stay gasoline to keep a lower strain off Diesel consumption since this country is fueled primarily Diesel, there needs to be a gasoline market to not overload the production of diesel. Diesels aren’t profitable enough in the US for the EPA and government so there putting restrictions on them to offset people wanting to go green with Diesel engines. Sad that profits are more important to the government rather then us actually being able to breath and sustain our environment...
Couldn't have worded it better myself 👍
That eco diesel torque didn’t really come through like the Hemi horsepower did & the Hemi didn’t do much worse on mpg ..
Put an Edge programmer on the EcoDiesel diesel tuning is way more effective than gasoline tuners
I'd like to see how the diesel does with the optional rear end. The 3.55 is not the best for towing.
I think the 3.55 is not too bad when paired with the 8-spd. transmission. With the older 5-spd, the 3.55 was not the best.
It's properly sized for that engine. It doesn't have enough redline to use 3.73. If it were a 6 speed though, then a 3.73 will work better. It might gain a couple MPH going up, but downhill braking will suffer. The 3.55 is a proper balance for what that engine produces.
I doubt a lower geared rear-end would help at all. The eight speed is already doing a good job keeping the motor in the peak of its power curve with the 3.55 ratio.
@@acdii FCA offers a lower rear end for the diesels. Why do you think they would do that? My take:. The 3.55 is for MPG's and the optional 3.7x is for towing.
The 3:92 would have gone up the hill better but the fuel mileage might of suffered a little and they don't after a 3:73 in 1/2 tons that only in the 3/4 ton and up
3:49 "We're all used to it now" Speak for your self. I still loath it.
When did they say that? I went back to your timestamp and couldn't find it.
I have some problems with my Rebel 2019 the Transmission is knocking some time
11:40 that was an up shift not a downshift 👏
The eco is a very refine diesel, smoother than the hemi at idle imo. But I went hemi because of that sound....it's soooooo goood
Okay so I'm 100% a toyota guy. Seriously considering getting a 1500 ecodiesel.
Or should I wait for the next gen tundra?
Currently in a 2003 tundra, in colorado struggling at 5000ibs on the ike gauntlet barley maintain 45mph.
Is there a release date for the 2020 ecodiesel?? Anyone know?
I think it would be very interesting to track oil consumption on vehicles that you purchase TFL. I don't like towing with a gas truck because you really have to twist the ears on the pig. Not a Fiat fan, but I would take a diesel any day towing anything.
Man I really wished y’all would had done Rebel comparison! I got the 2019 hemi Rebel and was wanting the eco diesel for the better fuel economy and towing. They just didn’t have the eco diesel when I bought this one!
On your scoring, there should be a category for value also. It is hard to compare apples to apples when there is a $20k+ price difference between the two vehicles.