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Excellent presentation, investigation and research. This video must go viral as this is almost the beginning of the consolidation of the OIT that explains the principles and formation of the Indo European family of languages. A statement of facts that is almost impossible to refute.
I couldn't care less about what anyone thinks, I always think the Aryan Invasion Theory (or the Aryan Migration Theory or the Aryan Picnic Theory or whatever the mainstream Indologists are calling it today) is false. I have no doubt whatsoever that the Out Of India Theory is true and nothing will ever change that. lol
पूरी दुनिया में सभी देशों में आज पुराने मंदिर ही मिल रहे हैं. ना कोई मस्जिद मिल रही है ना कोई चर्च क्यूंकि पूरी दुनिया में पहले एक ही धर्म था सनातन धर्म 🙏. सनातन धर्म की जय. जय श्रीराम 🙏
I, for one, am convinced by OIT. Your arguments, logic and dedication to put forth OIT to the world, may not have moved many in and outside India, but you can count me on your side. Thanks for telling us our history.
As a Nichiren Buddhist, and a student of African human history, I deeply appreciate the work of Mr Talageri. His work calls for a complete revision of Earthwide history. As it is mentioned here, Ambedkar rejected the AIT as a colonial imposition. I can relate to the concern against the discrimination that can emerge from caste or varna, but that could well have been a corruption of what was an older tradition which was inherited from the philosophy behind the African totemic clans (Diop, 1987). The evidence from Harappa reveals a high level of cooperation for civilization. Could it be that the later interaction with the nomadic steppes cultures of the Indo-European branches which were focused on warfare impacted the border areas of Vedic civilization and eventually led to a corruption of caste? As Talageri proved, the Vedic people did migrate to West Asia, where Akkad and Assyria interacted with the Gutians and many cultures that could have seen the potential profit of misusing the caste system. What does Talageri think of caste? I ask because I fail to see why there is a division between his work and Ambedkar’s
Why is it only Hindus who are able to see any hard evidence of anything in these astronomical observations? As a matter of genetic fact, we can be certain that the Indo European people did not originate in India We can know this because there is no evidence of Indian DNA in the people whom the I.E folks conquered outside of India. If they had originated in India, there would be Indian DNA all over where the IE people went. There isn't. There is lots more evidence to refute that silly claim, but that single piece is prohibitive. The end
They can corroborate but can only be complimentary. Look at the new video by Sri Nityananda MisrA where he gave a review of the book contradicting what Nilesh Oak says.
@@sriharshanamuduri8694 This is such an echo chamber that it's hard to introduce reason This debate is over among everyone in the world save for Hindi nationalists. The generic data is in. There was a very large migration of steppe people into the subcontinent in the 2nd millennium bc. For sure
@@drashokkumar9209 Is that all that you have? There's something quite crazy about these discussions. The genetic evidence is conclusive and overwhelming. The I.E. people could not possibly have originated in India, because Indian DNA did not spread to the places I.E. people conquered. There IS however, lots of European Hunter gatherer and early neolithic farmer DNA (original component populations of the I.E. people) in Indian populations. If you're absolutely determined to not see the facts in front of everyone's face, 🤷, oh well, but don't call this science and reason. It isn't
I feel that these discussions are very important but honestly, many people cannot follow this whole conversation! It needs to simplified in a timeline fashion to identify or refute the narratives. Unless you simplify and rebuttal point by point, these conversations may not become part of a common discussion. Thanks
Excellent point - I asked the same to Dr Raj Vedam - why is no one trying to give a timeline version? I think Vedveer Arya was very convincing in this regard. Others should try to match to his chronology (hope u have seen his videos.)
Yet another gem on Sangam. Impressed by the neck breaking hard work done by Sri Talageri ji. It is shameful that government which should fund and patronise these people and activities sits like a dumb blind person.
Govt doesn't because the Hindu conservatives are also a problem. They don't want to admit that Vedas were man made and north indians have common ancestry with Europeans. Its blasphemous. They reject scientific logical evidence. Later on all the people inside exchanged culture.
Salam is used in karnataka because tippu sultan had imposed persian as the official language....hardly around 10-15 words are still in use...and they were not borrowed they were imposed...
great lecture i really like the deep and detailed discussion...now i know the reason why they refute OIT Because they will have to accept that all european ancestors came from India...which will hurt their Ego...thinking that their ancestors comes from such according to them - 3rd world nation....SIMPLE
When were Vowels first identified as Vowels? In which language were Vowels first identified as Vowels? When did Sanskrit alphabet structure evolve of Vowels in one group and then Consonants in a logical sequence? Did this happen before Sanskrit was just an oral language without a script or did it happen afterward it was written in Brahmi script?
tell the popular youtubers to narrate the OIT theory even if you have to pay them. Then going to the educational institutions to propagate like Sadhguru. what you need is grinding of OIT and also challenging AIT in public.
there is no such thing called aaryan there is arya mentioned in rig ved but it is a nomenclature for creed not rrace ... why the heck this people still called as if it is a rrace what the heck the wrong with this people.
Unfortunately, you can't reject a certain kind of science (genetics) - just because you are not versant with it. It is not a language theory alone - it is a question of itihaas - what happened? where did people move from? OIT has to be given a proper structure. But it has to include the 'modern' sciences as well.
some historic facts such as - 1. Mehrgarh early Harappan settlements dating to 7000 BC where all rig Veda mentioned trees and fruits are found in excavation. Main is Willow tree pollens are found in the excavation. 2. Horses and chariot are not native to India - but it bhimbetka cave paintings shows horses, swords, bow and arrow, and chariots. 3. Haplogroup K which is ancestor of R1a is from India. 4. old scripts like Surya siddhanta and vedanga jyotishya are having star and constellation dating atleast 4000 BC 5. Claim that origin of brahmi is from Aramaic - vikramkhol cave writings is prove of proto brahmi so it is native origin not external. 6. Other cave paintings in Odisha and keeladhi writings are all looks similar to Indus scripts, need further research.
Many Indian Guyanese look to their motherland with great love. To this day, they keep their culture. Celebrate all aspects of Hindu religion including yagnas. When they get rich, they do yagna. Pandits chant in Sanskrit to this day
My humble question to Mr Shrikant Talageri Sir, Since Firstly you claim to be a hindu in belief and then you reject the divine origin of the Vedas. Now if this is the case, how do you distinguish yourself in terms of epistemology from rationalists like Shyam Manav and Narendra Dabholkar?
You know very well that by any stretch, the original home of Sanskrit is not present day sovereign India, although somewhere closer, say Afghanistan or Iran. Now the only option left to you is to annex those countries and make them part of sovereign India, so that you'll be safe and comfortable in the knowledge that your origin is indeed present political India! Good luck!
34:18 To be clear - they did mention about people like Kikatas, etc who - I’m not sure - were speakers of Indo European family. Similarly we need not assume the so called linga pujakas were Indo European speakers. They may or may not have been.
Only thing we need to get the history text books changed taught in schools and universities. It is not going to happen easy start one start from one state from gujarat to UP to Maharastra
Sir according to Niraj Rai of CCMB. The R1A1 gene ( which is often associated with "Aryans" ) migrated to India after 700bc. So it is unlikely that they will go back and repopulate the steppes and European regions after that timeline. If it was the harappans who actually went and populated those Eurasian regions then we should not find R1A1 in those euro populations. If you have to argue that R1A1 genes went from out of india then you should find them in India much earlier.. say 4-5000bc... But it's not there in harappans. How can you explain that?
Please publish articles if not in international journals, then at least in Indian journals. Blogs etc. are not as credible as peer-reviewed archived journal articles.
The truth is the vedas were passed down by oral tradition in four branches by maharshi vedvyaas approx 9000 yrs ago before which all four vedas were one ved after 4000 yrs after mahabharata war which happened approx 9000 yrago from today this this dasrajnya battle took place and out of India migration happened. And buddhas birth was approx 1800 bce and adishankra date is sixth century bce.
AIT is deep rooted because, we are studying it in text books in our childhood. We studied it like trignometry, algebra, basic science, world map etc. So otherwise you are particularly interested in the subject and continuously followung up then only you think about it. Otherwise we simply believe these old text book stuff.
You are wrong @1:16:00 . the hard L sound (as in bengaluru, tamilu, kalinga, murali, holi) is found in all indian languages(including samskrutam). .. It is just that you don't know how to pronounce it. In fact 80-90% of tamilians cannot pronounced that L in tamil because it was removed from the syllabus when the communists took over ...
@@Qmar69Samy zha is ज La(with a dot below l) is ळ That's why tamilu is written with l and not zha... Sad that 90% of tamilians cannot pronounce it...in fact I have taught many of my tamilian friends to pronounce it. ..
Unfortunately for Talageri, today it is the field of archaeogenetics that is playing the major role in resolving the question of where is the Urheimat / original homeland. The associated question of the Ursprache / common language follows from the identification of the Urheimat. The linguists and the archaeologists have been superseded by geneticists in almost every paper that deals with the question in the past 20 years. So Talageri is actually wrong in trying to stress that the linguistic case is the primary evidence to prove/disprove OIT or AIT, followed by archaeology as the secondary evidence. Archaeogenetic data is more robust than any ancient inscriptions. Nobody has cassette or mp3 recordings of ancient spoken languages which makes linguistic evidence the weakest piece of information in the overall problem of trying to decipher ancient migration patterns. Overall, nationalistic / patriotic Indians would be very happy if it can be proved that: (i) Indians are more genetically similar to each other than to other populations in Middle East/Central Asia (because the colonial discourse painted Indian history as a continuous stream of invasions), i.e., Indians are a separate ethnicity onto themselves (ii) Indians dispersed out of India taking their languages / catlle with them (because the colonial idea was that Aryans civilized India bringing language, culture to the barbarians of India) (iii) Sanskrit is indigenous to India (because Indians can now lay an exclusive claim to the entire body of Sanskrit literature) (iv) A Neolithic revolution took place in India, independent of the fertile crescent/China/Anatolia Whether there was an Urheimat or there was an Ursprache and whether there was a relation between the two is irrelevant or simply an academic question too be thrashed out in obscure journals.
Overall nice comment 👍🏾.. but one of the issues I have is picturing these so called Aryans/vedists as the the only nationalists!. Same some pure dravidian or pure austric tribe guy may be even more hard core nationalistic but he may not subscribe to this vedism propaganda.
@@rexxbailey2764 Deciphering ancient migration patterns is an inexact science and requires interpretation of so many kinds of data that it cannot be reduced simply to a linguistic problem, as Talageri would like to see it. Indoeuropeanists such as JP Mallory, Kristiansen, David Anthony all agree that ancient DNA has changed the field so drastically in the past decade, that the archaeologist and the archaeolinguist now have to kowtow to the archaeogeneticist.
@@goddalehundibharathraj4374 what I meant by nationalism is not an ethno-racial nationalism or Shashi Tharoor type of civic nationalism. I was referring to civilizational nationalism that takes pride in the civilizational heritage of India. some hardcore sangamists and samgamism propagandists identified mythical Kumarikandam as their homeland and wanted to move out of India.
Language doesn't evolve in a vacuum. Shri Talageri has done good job. He also needs to posit a common starting point. The Toba incident and following ice age is a good data point to start tracking the languages and how they evolved. You will see the rituals developing with God's fire rituals, the stars, as the ice melts from the coastal areas as the sun comes thru ( solar dynasty). The higher latitudes and Saraswathi plains ( the lunar dynasty). As the ice melts...
What are our temples doing? They should be teaching thousands of students Vedas and Puranas beyond rote learning, Dharmic Studies field students and acharyas( professors) must be funded by temples.
People may be migrating out of India in search for gold. Rigveda has evidence of migration of people from sarswati banks to Indus river bank in search for gold . People might have continued migrating further in the west for gold. It is not understood why sanskrit names for gold are not found in Indo Aryan languages with the exception of Avesta. AIT is illogical. Out of India Theory should explain why Indians migrating from a relatively good climate of India to bad climate of the west.
Have a look. Sanskrit harih "yellow, tawny yellow," hiranyam "gold;" Avestan zari "yellow;" Old Persian daraniya-, Avestan zaranya- "gold;" Greek khlōros "greenish-yellow color," kholos "bile, gall, wrath;" Latin helvus "yellowish, bay," Gallo-Latin gilvus "light bay;" Lithuanian geltonas "yellow;" Old Church Slavonic zlutu, Polish żółty, Russian zeltyj "yellow;" Latin galbus "greenish-yellow," fellis "bile, gall;" Lithuanian žalias "green," želvas "greenish," tulžis "bile;" Old Church Slavonic zelenu, Polish zielony, Russian zelenyj "green;" Old Irish glass, Welsh and Breton glas "green," also "gray, blue;" Old English galla "gall, bile," geolu, geolwe, German gelb, Old Norse gulr "yellow;" Old Church Slavonic zlato, Russian zoloto, Old English gold, Gothic gulþ "gold;" Old English glæs "glass; a glass vessel."
@@NileshOak Rigveda uses the terms Hiranya and Rukma for gold. Late Vedic Literature uses five terms Hiranya, Rukma , Harita, Jatarupa, and Suvarna for gold Harita means yellow colour. Except for Avesta's name for gold, no other names used for gold in Indo-European Languages beyond Persia have any linguistic similarity with Vedic names for gold. Evidence of RV 9.41.4 confirms the westward migration of Rigvedic people from Haryana ( Sarasvati River) to the west ( Indus River) in quest of gold and gems. The trend of westward migration from out of India, might have continued in pursuit of gold and precious stones. Regards
I have this question then why north india especially northwest part of India looks very much like middle eastern . And the south looks more like African.
@@taidelek9994 Bro wtf? Who told u this? I’m from Southern most district in Kerala which is a South Indian state. I’m pretty fair skinned. So is my whole family.
One word 'elephant' is not sufficient. It could go by trade as well. Second, there is an elephant species 'wolly mammoth' which existed upto last ice age(10000 years ago).Tiger and Vyaghra(Sanskrit) are similar.Siberian tigers do exist. Leopard and Pardathu(Sanskrit) are similar. It means predator. Humans don't have have fur like Siberian Dog/bear/Tiger. So it means non African humans lived in South/Central Asia before expansion
@@goddalehundibharathraj4374 ivc site is so vast which start from kashmir to karnataka do u really think that only one ethnic group with only one ethnic language were living there ..I have never seen such iidiot people in the entire world no doubt u iindians was sslave for 800 yyrs .....
We all know rig veda has mentioned Saraswati river which went extinct 9000 years ago but taking it as ultimate evidence is a weak argument. Let's take a Todays example we have history books in English today so if Englishmen had wiped out native indian languages and transfered all the knowledge into English then after 1000 years people will think Englishmen were present in india since ancient times. Destroying the language of beaten people has happened regularly in the history. All the vedas are transferred from speaking and not via written books. Unless we find older rigvedic text we can't prove it
As per my impression Tamil is the initial language from which most languages developed and Sanskrit became the most refined and Scientific language and now it appears that most Indian languages developed from Sanskrit
@Kartmilly Social I am not telling that Tamil is developed language. I only meant it might have been the root and Sanskrit, the developed language and then intermixing with each other. All Indian language seems to be coming from each other
we don't have the prove that tamil is the oldest language of iindia so u have to rely on statues & other artifacts & the direct proof of tamil language b4 the advent of script is the statue of lord murugan ( lord karthikey ) with trident ''trishul''which is to be around 1200 BCE- 1100BCE ... IVC ( now some people say saraswati-indus civilization but whatever) is so vast from kashmir to the middle of karnataka so definitely many ethic people with many different languages used to live there just like modern day iindia... only commonality between this people them r ggenetic similarity , rreligion ( with different native tradition ) culture & most importantly is their festivals.
Dear Srikanth Talageri, in places like Tamil Nadu, the very academic fact that there is a distinct Indo-European language family and a distinct Dravidian family, is used to foment divisions and fissures. We cannot completely ignore the ground reality of “separatism” in India and just say we are going to stick to academic facts.
What Talageriji is talking about is linguistics, separatism is a political issue. But there is obviously some overlap between linguistics and politics. In any case, it should not surprise anyone that there are two language families native to India (the Indo-European language family and the Dravidian language family) because India is a very large country. There's more than enough space in India for two distinct language families to arise.
The divisions and fissures started from the so called aryan side. With their literature and with their propaganda. Some one should address that ... Not the tamil side which is reacting to it.
The theory that languages organize as phylogenetic "family trees" is inspired from biology, where animal and plant kingdoms continually bifurcate into the lowest tier that is species. This theory is again inspired from the Christian concept of the Adamic language, i.e., the uncorrupted language that God spoke to his creation Adam. This kind of thinking has pushed linguists to attempt to place any language within a tree based on various notions of similarity such as lexical, grammatical, morphological, phonetic etc. The family tree model was opposed from the very beginning by the "wave model" where it is proposed that languages do not descend from hypothetical original languages but rather form when waves of speakers of different languages mix and decide to create a new language for better communication. However, various events in the 19th century made the family tree model the main model in linguistics rather than the wave model. That Tamil is a Dravidian language and different from Sanskrit was proposed by William Caldwell. This is around the same time that the family tree model was taking shape in Europe and linguists were busy placing known languages of the world into family trees based on notions of similarity. The term Dravidian is a Sanskrit word and so is Dramila (from which the term Tamil originates). Once one gets rid of the mental construct of the family tree model of language evolution, it is quite clearly seen that so-called Dravidian languages such as Kannada, Malayalam, and Telugu, are the closest to Sanskrit than any other north-Indian language.
1:00:00 another argument against steppe Aryan migration- the steppe people were horse riders. But horse riding people are not found in Rigveda nor in Harappan iconography. There are no images of Ashvins riding horse in prayers, for example. Even in late texts like Mahabharata there are no cavalries as part of army. They have rathas. The rib count issue is also widely known. (I will discount Bhimbetaka painting as it cannot be dated and is also much further south)
Why discount Bhimbetka? The relative period of the paintings are well established! And what about the description of river Saraswati in the RigVeda? And what about Nadi sutra of Rigveda? And what about the detailed description of the history of the people themselves written in our ancient scriptures. They themselves are clearly explaining Bharata Varsha. They have absolutely NO memory of any foreign origin. So now you know better about them than they themselves?LOL!
Completely false. Horse riding people are found in Ramayan times all the way to Mahabharat times consistently. People used horses at Vedic times while waging wars. Infact few of those clans are the ancestors of people of Greece, Persia etc(ancestors of Hellenic people and Persians). Ashvamedha yagya is a Vedic practice that existed in Vedic times which involves horse. Bhimbetka paintings prove that horses was a central part for Vedic clans once again.
@@WhistleMaster let’s stick to horse riding only not muddy the argument. The point I’m making is lack of horse riding in Rigvedic times (and indeed in later times as well) supports steppe Aryan invasion is unlikely The reason for not counting Bhimbetaka is horse rider painting cannot be dated. They could well be from 1000 CE
Todays veda and other books are only 2-3% of original one as it was oral tradition mostly as memory of that time is great ,thing in wriiten is just okay but just imagine if we have root knowledge (beads) full version via any yogi it could be wow or can we understand? .
"I love them both but they lack genetics knowledge, they should read up more & sharpen their arguments" I completely agree with you, but even when it comes to genetics, we have compelling evidence.
@@Rishi123456789 I know, that's what I'm suggesting, if they catch up on the recent genetic findings like AASI in 1700 BC Minoa I'm sure they'd make more compelling arguments
I tried watching it for a good hour but his arguments don't prove oit. On the contrary it proves aryan migration at minimum. If western scholars started with homeland of pie being India but moved to central steppe after not finding any evidences then why is he saying westerners have hidden agenda. The Egyptians did record the arrival of Assyrians from east around 3000bce so whats he talking about cultures not knowing about these people coming to Egyptian borders. Material cultures change with new people coming into an existing culture just like Islamic culture changed the architecture and lifestyle language and clothing styles of people same thing in India happened when these people came into India. He seems to be all over the place in his arguments making modern migrations of people moving to usa with the technology and travel methods. It's all jumbled up..
False. You are basing an assumption without evidence and hence it can be dismissed without evidence. But in this case we have solid evidence to dismiss your argument. The very fact that all European traditions can be found in India but not all indian traditions are found in Europe is a proof that ancient Indians migrated towards west according to fundamental logic an reasoning. Furthermore extreme diversification of R1a haplogroup in india undeniably prove that the migration happened from India to Europe. Extreme diversification of Vedic traditions prove that Vedic traditions originated in India and it was spread throughout Europe as per the evidence of swastik and much more in Europe. Evidence of Saraswati river as major in rig Veda undoubtedly prove that Vedic Hinduism began in India and it existed around 6000 BCE atleast. You failed to comprehend Mr. Talageri's points and you also failed to integrate various data points.
@@mogambo4565 You made an assumption before asking a question which showcases your unscientific and illogical mind. Even people laughed at Galileo when he said "earth is round". Who is laughing now? Same logic here. I am pretty sure Talageri or any other individual with basic sense will not laugh without listening to a statement fully. Laughing before comprehending a statement is a mark of a fool. You failed to respond to my evidence since your basis is a delusion. Let me point out some European traditions and If you have any, point them as well. Some of European traditions had shamanism which exists in India. They had paganism which exists in India. They had animism which exists in India. They had the concept of Triglov(Trimurti) which exists in India. They had blood sacrifices towards God which exists in India. I can keep going on and on.
@@phoenixj1299 paganism and shamanism are interlocked with tribalism it's not something unique every tribe used to have their own gods and rituals. The religions have evolved over time with expansionism and ideas being shared over millenia. Some may have 100 gods some may have 3 or 1 how does it connect anyone to anything. It's like saying Europeans and Indians drink water so their religion must have been same.
@@mogambo4565 Not entirely true since drinking water is basic human instinct but not paganism, concept of Sky father, heaven and much more. You are comparing a parameter which is common to every human being with specifics. Comparison can only be done with two equal scenarios. Paganism that adopts specific factors that exists in other culture is not the same.
Arre bhai logo bharat ki history bata rahe ho to hindi mai batao. Kyu sab English man bante ja rahe hai. Ye agar Hindi mai hota to 70% bhartiya samjhte. Naam aap ne Sangam rakha hai esko bhi English mai kardo. Pathetic!!
@@gagadonim3354 all north Indians speak Hindi as it is an IE language, southern people should make an effort and learn Hindi, dravidian languages sound unintelligible
@@shahshah6214 wow look at your audacity to be the sun in solar system. For a South indian Hindi is as foreign as English. They are different language families can't you understand such basic fact?? No wonder South Indians hate north
u sud follow ur ppshyco jjesus example just like him u sud also commit ssuicide for the ssins of others .....for e.g. rrussian and ukrainian doing ssins to each other so by jjesus example u sud commit ssuicide for their ssins....
@@Viraj911 right wing , left wing are western terms . We should be critical and open for facts and evidence and destroy our bais by debate . That what dharma is . Strive for only truth whether it is bad or good . Shastra artha and purushartha are important
look who is being trolled here carefully. truth cannot be trolled. you troll yourself in the attempt of trolling others when you go against truth. speaking of truth, none of your arguments succeed in denying the evidences of OIT. it is not even sientific.
My only criticism is, all of these are always based on Vedas, and other scriptures whose dating is uncertain and always debatable based on bias There is never an archeological claim. If we look at literature of all countries, they all can also similarly prove a theory for migration out of their land
There are dateable passages in middle Vedic literature. Take for example Kaushitaki Brahmana which explains how to start year from winter solstice. It dates to before 3000 BCE. Can you give any examples like this from other literature?
Not true. Dating is not uncertain. Sure we can't specifically point it out but we can surely fix a time frame through hard evidence such as the mention of largely flowing Saraswati river.
There can be a 100 reasons for descriptions of dates prior to the literature being written. For example someone tells me about something today that I pass for a 1000 years. When it's noted 1000 years later, it doesn't reflect the true date.
Mr. Talageri has some good points, however he is a mere hate monger. However, what all those ancient kingdoms followed (there is plenty of evidence to this) followed the same culture, you cannot say they all had different backgrounds! You cannot be dogmatic when you say Rigveda is the crux of our culture. However, you cannot show anything else to replace it. It is quite obvious that this culture sustained for thousands of years and literally everyone who came in contact with it followed it. Hence primacy of this culture. And Mr. Talageri must stop Brahmin bashing. It is truly similar to anti Semitic in nature. No Brahmin thinks he/she is Aryan, which is a western invention! 'Arya' is a Sanskrit word for 'Noble one' , which is widely used in Indian languages. Brahmins are predominantly religious in vocation, hence attacked by all anti Hindu hate mongers, among them is Mr. Talagari who is basically hate monger. Very disappointing!! And I never head any of my Brahmin friends believe they are Westerners! This is quite weird!
@@AJAYSINGH-ns1vv The burden of proof isn't on me to refute. It's on these yahoos to prove. Dr. Elst has always been a joke, but since his absurd "out of India" I.E. theory has been entirely disproven by recent genetics, he has lost all credibility. It's a testament to the science free nature of this channel that it would host someone like him
@@LVSJTHere come the mlechha wignat kangz who ironically have Joos and self-professed Marxists as their rockstar ideologues propped up by the ivy-leagues. You know, the likes of Witzel, Reich, Pollock and Doniger. We wuz. LOL
@@LVSJT AIT propagandist spotted. There's a hefty prize money for proving AIT/AMT from a think tank. No one of your inkling has taken up the challenge so far. Clearly exposes the Indophobic agenda.
after the evidence are been layed the burden of proof on the AIT dogma side. but the reality cant go against the truth so. try all you want AIT bias will never be truth. you cant deny the existing evidence which were proven in this video.
Mr Talagiri should be awarded Padma award , he deserves it.
Currently he is writing profusely on how BJP has betrayed the Hindus. Hence there is no chance of his getting any award.
Great and Brave effort. Please continue. We are with you!
Great study and powerful hammering of the AIT and its sponsors. Thank you.
SRIKANT G TALAGERI IS ONE BEAUTIFUL HUMAN ANYONE COULD EVER HAVE THE UTMOST PRIVILAGE OF EVER COMING ACROSS AND LIVING IN TIMES OF! TRULY BEAUTIFUL RESEARCH WORTHY OF RECIEVING NATIONAL AWARDS FOR SUCH PIONEERING WORK! 🙏🙏🙏
Very imp and detailed study, thank to Talagiri Sir and संगम talks for this useful pod cast ✌️
Excellent presentation, investigation and research. This video must go viral as this is almost the beginning of the consolidation of the OIT that explains the principles and formation of the Indo European family of languages. A statement of facts that is almost impossible to refute.
I couldn't care less about what anyone thinks, I always think the Aryan Invasion Theory (or the Aryan Migration Theory or the Aryan Picnic Theory or whatever the mainstream Indologists are calling it today) is false. I have no doubt whatsoever that the Out Of India Theory is true and nothing will ever change that. lol
True🙏🙏🙏🚩🚩🚩
Nothing and nobody can convince me that the Pratibha of the Veda could have been revealed in any other geography than our motherland.
@@ananthan8951 Based. I completely agree with you.
Your caring more or less has no value, nor your belief. It is the evidence that has any value.
@@ajeebadmi8052 We talk with evidence only..... There are plenty of evidences of the Out of India migration.....
great work
Very authentic and informative.delighted
पूरी दुनिया में सभी देशों में आज पुराने मंदिर ही मिल रहे हैं. ना कोई मस्जिद मिल रही है ना कोई चर्च क्यूंकि पूरी दुनिया में पहले एक ही धर्म था सनातन धर्म 🙏. सनातन धर्म की जय. जय श्रीराम 🙏
Unfortunately for next 50 years we will be debating this within India before we reach a consensus.
I, for one, am convinced by OIT. Your arguments, logic and dedication to put forth OIT to the world, may not have moved many in and outside India, but you can count me on your side. Thanks for telling us our history.
Terrific insights !! 🙏
As a Nichiren Buddhist, and a student of African human history, I deeply appreciate the work of Mr Talageri. His work calls for a complete revision of Earthwide history. As it is mentioned here, Ambedkar rejected the AIT as a colonial imposition. I can relate to the concern against the discrimination that can emerge from caste or varna, but that could well have been a corruption of what was an older tradition which was inherited from the philosophy behind the African totemic clans (Diop, 1987). The evidence from Harappa reveals a high level of cooperation for civilization. Could it be that the later interaction with the nomadic steppes cultures of the Indo-European branches which were focused on warfare impacted the border areas of Vedic civilization and eventually led to a corruption of caste? As Talageri proved, the Vedic people did migrate to West Asia, where Akkad and Assyria interacted with the Gutians and many cultures that could have seen the potential profit of misusing the caste system. What does Talageri think of caste? I ask because I fail to see why there is a division between his work and Ambedkar’s
Excellent and clear explanation, thanks 🙏🏼
Padma award to Srikant sir.
The astronomical evidences must be included as valid argument for dating because it's the best and non denying fact in dating.
Why is it only Hindus who are able to see any hard evidence of anything in these astronomical observations?
As a matter of genetic fact, we can be certain that the Indo European people did not originate in India
We can know this because there is no evidence of Indian DNA in the people whom the I.E folks conquered outside of India.
If they had originated in India, there would be Indian DNA all over where the IE people went. There isn't.
There is lots more evidence to refute that silly claim, but that single piece is prohibitive. The end
They can corroborate but can only be complimentary. Look at the new video by Sri Nityananda MisrA where he gave a review of the book contradicting what Nilesh Oak says.
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This is such an echo chamber that it's hard to introduce reason
This debate is over among everyone in the world save for Hindi nationalists. The generic data is in. There was a very large migration of steppe people into the subcontinent in the 2nd millennium bc.
For sure
@@LVSJT Do your homework before commenting .
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Is that all that you have?
There's something quite crazy about these discussions.
The genetic evidence is conclusive and overwhelming. The I.E. people could not possibly have originated in India, because Indian DNA did not spread to the places I.E. people conquered.
There IS however, lots of European Hunter gatherer and early neolithic farmer DNA (original component populations of the I.E. people) in Indian populations.
If you're absolutely determined to not see the facts in front of everyone's face, 🤷, oh well, but don't call this science and reason. It isn't
Another banger video from Sangam Talks. Given the quality of the evidence presented, you should tag this video as either “comedy” or “fiction.”
Once the harappan script is deciphered, this debate will be forever perished. We must make use of AI to decipher the language patterns of Harappa.
I feel that these discussions are very important but honestly, many people cannot follow this whole conversation! It needs to simplified in a timeline fashion to identify or refute the narratives. Unless you simplify and rebuttal point by point, these conversations may not become part of a common discussion. Thanks
Excellent point - I asked the same to Dr Raj Vedam - why is no one trying to give a timeline version? I think Vedveer Arya was very convincing in this regard. Others should try to match to his chronology (hope u have seen his videos.)
Nobody talks about Plytomy or Gangani people, who migrated from India to Europe. Ireland River names Gangani, the word Gang comes from Gangani people
Talageri is such a simple man , having the mind of a maestro. This is a redoubtable thesis and I do not think it can be refuted.
Nice discussion
Thank you for the brilliant presentation of the real is OIT or AOT.
Thankful
Yet another gem on Sangam. Impressed by the neck breaking hard work done by Sri Talageri ji. It is shameful that government which should fund and patronise these people and activities sits like a dumb blind person.
Govt doesn't because the Hindu conservatives are also a problem. They don't want to admit that Vedas were man made and north indians have common ancestry with Europeans. Its blasphemous. They reject scientific logical evidence. Later on all the people inside exchanged culture.
Salam is used in karnataka because tippu sultan had imposed persian as the official language....hardly around 10-15 words are still in use...and they were not borrowed they were imposed...
great lecture i really like the deep and detailed discussion...now i know the reason why they refute OIT
Because they will have to accept that all european ancestors came from India...which will hurt their Ego...thinking that their ancestors comes from such according to them - 3rd world nation....SIMPLE
जय श्री राम 💐💐💐🙏🙏
When were Vowels first identified as Vowels?
In which language were Vowels first identified as Vowels?
When did Sanskrit alphabet structure evolve of Vowels in one group and then Consonants in a logical sequence?
Did this happen before Sanskrit was just an oral language without a script or did it happen afterward it was written in Brahmi script?
Right answer can't be found till we do not accept what our tradition says.
Jai Sanatana Dharma 🙏🙏🙏
AKANDA BHARAT ❤️ JAI HIND 🇮🇳
Indian humped cattle is also found amongst the Mundari tribes of south Sudan.
excellent
17:58 What is the word for 1 in Dravidian and Indo European languages?
Aek
Please share the PPT link, it has links to his blogs.
Good podcast
Legends🙏🙏
tell the popular youtubers to narrate the OIT theory even if you have to pay them.
Then going to the educational institutions to propagate like Sadhguru.
what you need is grinding of OIT and also challenging AIT in public.
Well said. A proper supply chain management of the information should be established!
there is no such thing called aaryan there is arya mentioned in rig ved but it is a nomenclature for creed not rrace ... why the heck this people still called as if it is a rrace what the heck the wrong with this people.
Sadguru believes in ARYAN INVASION THEORY
They are still teaching kids about Aryan Invasion..
Unfortunately, you can't reject a certain kind of science (genetics) - just because you are not versant with it. It is not a language theory alone - it is a question of itihaas - what happened? where did people move from? OIT has to be given a proper structure. But it has to include the 'modern' sciences as well.
some historic facts such as -
1. Mehrgarh early Harappan settlements dating to 7000 BC where all rig Veda mentioned trees and fruits are found in excavation. Main is Willow tree pollens are found in the excavation.
2. Horses and chariot are not native to India - but it bhimbetka cave paintings shows horses, swords, bow and arrow, and chariots.
3. Haplogroup K which is ancestor of R1a is from India.
4. old scripts like Surya siddhanta and vedanga jyotishya are having star and constellation dating atleast 4000 BC
5. Claim that origin of brahmi is from Aramaic - vikramkhol cave writings is prove of proto brahmi so it is native origin not external.
6. Other cave paintings in Odisha and keeladhi writings are all looks similar to Indus scripts, need further research.
Regarding river names, is Bramhaputra the original name? Aren't we good at stamping our names on other people's things, a trait we retain to date?
Many Indian Guyanese look to their motherland with great love. To this day, they keep their culture. Celebrate all aspects of Hindu religion including yagnas. When they get rich, they do yagna. Pandits chant in Sanskrit to this day
Yes its true, even here in Trinidad we are the same as Guyana, we take our Hinduism very seriously, we LOVE our motherland India.
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What about linguistic evidence from Sangam texts?
I am really happy to see your program. Extremely informative. Great 👍. Keep it up.
My humble question to Mr Shrikant Talageri Sir, Since Firstly you claim to be a hindu in belief and then you reject the divine origin of the Vedas. Now if this is the case, how do you distinguish yourself in terms of epistemology from rationalists like Shyam Manav and Narendra Dabholkar?
You know very well that by any stretch, the original home of Sanskrit is not present day sovereign India, although somewhere closer, say Afghanistan or Iran. Now the only option left to you is to annex those countries and make them part of sovereign India, so that you'll be safe and comfortable in the knowledge that your origin is indeed present political India! Good luck!
34:18 To be clear - they did mention about people like Kikatas, etc who - I’m not sure - were speakers of Indo European family. Similarly we need not assume the so called linga pujakas were Indo European speakers. They may or may not have been.
Only thing we need to get the history text books changed taught in schools and universities. It is not going to happen easy start one start from one state from gujarat to UP to Maharastra
Sir according to Niraj Rai of CCMB. The R1A1 gene ( which is often associated with "Aryans" ) migrated to India after 700bc. So it is unlikely that they will go back and repopulate the steppes and European regions after that timeline.
If it was the harappans who actually went and populated those Eurasian regions then we should not find R1A1 in those euro populations.
If you have to argue that R1A1 genes went from out of india then you should find them in India much earlier.. say 4-5000bc... But it's not there in harappans. How can you explain that?
Father - fa+ther, mather- ma+ther, 'ther' - is suffix, Amma (in Tamil)= ma (short form) appa (in Tamil) = pa=ba=fa ( short form)
@@thirumalairaj333 extend a bit more Anna, akka, ajji, ajja... And see
@@redskoda14 neeraj Rai says R1A1 came to India after 700bc
@@redskoda14 18,000 years pehle R1 mil hi nahi sakta. There were only Andamanese like austric tribes at that time. May be you have misread.
@@thirumalairaj333 besides ma and pa is called in Hindi much later
In sanskrit it is matru, pitru
Also where is this steppy land?
Talageri is a genius. His opponents focus on his lack of a PhD in genetics or linguistics but eventually they have to respond to his facts.
Hindu culture followed all over the world. There was no country called India or Europe. All kings tried to invent their own language.
Please publish articles if not in international journals, then at least in Indian journals. Blogs etc. are not as credible as peer-reviewed archived journal articles.
The truth is the vedas were passed down by oral tradition in four branches by maharshi vedvyaas approx 9000 yrs ago before which all four vedas were one ved after 4000 yrs after mahabharata war which happened approx 9000 yrago from today this this dasrajnya battle took place and out of India migration happened. And buddhas birth was approx 1800 bce and adishankra date is sixth century bce.
Lol
@@LVSJTCope harder, white kang.
@@LVSJT study sanskrit texts . Don't show your stupidity.
AIT is deep rooted because, we are studying it in text books in our childhood. We studied it like trignometry, algebra, basic science, world map etc. So otherwise you are particularly interested in the subject and continuously followung up then only you think about it. Otherwise we simply believe these old text book stuff.
मैं श्रीकांत तलगेरी के घर जाकर उनके दो किताब लेकर आई थी!!
Jaina and Budha traditions were attacked by Hindu renaissance? Like Bhakthi movement, Adi Sankara from kerala etc.
You are wrong @1:16:00 .
the hard L sound (as in bengaluru, tamilu, kalinga, murali, holi) is found in all indian languages(including samskrutam). .. It is just that you don't know how to pronounce it. In fact 80-90% of tamilians cannot pronounced that L in tamil because it was removed from the syllabus when the communists took over ...
Its not L but zha (Tamil)
@@Qmar69Samy zha is ज
La(with a dot below l) is ळ
That's why tamilu is written with l and not zha...
Sad that 90% of tamilians cannot pronounce it...in fact I have taught many of my tamilian friends to pronounce it. ..
Unfortunately for Talageri, today it is the field of archaeogenetics that is playing the major role in resolving the question of where is the Urheimat / original homeland. The associated question of the Ursprache / common language follows from the identification of the Urheimat. The linguists and the archaeologists have been superseded by geneticists in almost every paper that deals with the question in the past 20 years. So Talageri is actually wrong in trying to stress that the linguistic case is the primary evidence to prove/disprove OIT or AIT, followed by archaeology as the secondary evidence. Archaeogenetic data is more robust than any ancient inscriptions. Nobody has cassette or mp3 recordings of ancient spoken languages which makes linguistic evidence the weakest piece of information in the overall problem of trying to decipher ancient migration patterns. Overall, nationalistic / patriotic Indians would be very happy if it can be proved that:
(i) Indians are more genetically similar to each other than to other populations in Middle East/Central Asia (because the colonial discourse painted Indian history as a continuous stream of invasions), i.e., Indians are a separate ethnicity onto themselves
(ii) Indians dispersed out of India taking their languages / catlle with them (because the colonial idea was that Aryans civilized India bringing language, culture to the barbarians of India)
(iii) Sanskrit is indigenous to India (because Indians can now lay an exclusive claim to the entire body of Sanskrit literature)
(iv) A Neolithic revolution took place in India, independent of the fertile crescent/China/Anatolia
Whether there was an Urheimat or there was an Ursprache and whether there was a relation between the two is irrelevant or simply an academic question too be thrashed out in obscure journals.
Overall nice comment 👍🏾.. but one of the issues I have is picturing these so called Aryans/vedists as the the only nationalists!. Same some pure dravidian or pure austric tribe guy may be even more hard core nationalistic but he may not subscribe to this vedism propaganda.
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT. 😑😒
@@rexxbailey2764 Deciphering ancient migration patterns is an inexact science and requires interpretation of so many kinds of data that it cannot be reduced simply to a linguistic problem, as Talageri would like to see it. Indoeuropeanists such as JP Mallory, Kristiansen, David Anthony all agree that ancient DNA has changed the field so drastically in the past decade, that the archaeologist and the archaeolinguist now have to kowtow to the archaeogeneticist.
@@goddalehundibharathraj4374 what I meant by nationalism is not an ethno-racial nationalism or Shashi Tharoor type of civic nationalism. I was referring to civilizational nationalism that takes pride in the civilizational heritage of India. some hardcore sangamists and samgamism propagandists identified mythical Kumarikandam as their homeland and wanted to move out of India.
@@MrLee-gj2jz identifying nationalism exclusively with aryan / vedic ideas is also an ethno - racial idea. What if the claims made by them are false?
Language doesn't evolve in a vacuum. Shri Talageri has done good job. He also needs to posit a common starting point. The Toba incident and following ice age is a good data point to start tracking the languages and how they evolved. You will see the rituals developing with God's fire rituals, the stars, as the ice melts from the coastal areas as the sun comes thru ( solar dynasty). The higher latitudes and Saraswathi plains ( the lunar dynasty). As the ice melts...
Have you considered Dr Premendra Priyadarshi's work on GENETICS OF MIGRATION?
basically there was an Aryan and Dravidian language. It is just funny to see Hindu Nationalists blindly denying this fact. Lmao
What are our temples doing? They should be teaching thousands of students Vedas and Puranas beyond rote learning, Dharmic Studies field students and acharyas( professors) must be funded by temples.
How do we support him?
People may be migrating out of India in search for gold. Rigveda has evidence of migration of people from sarswati banks to Indus river bank in search for gold . People might have continued migrating further in the west for gold. It is not understood why sanskrit names for gold are not found in Indo Aryan languages with the exception of Avesta. AIT is illogical. Out of India Theory should explain why Indians migrating from a relatively good climate of India to bad climate of the west.
Have a look.
Sanskrit harih "yellow, tawny yellow," hiranyam "gold;" Avestan zari "yellow;" Old Persian daraniya-, Avestan zaranya- "gold;" Greek khlōros "greenish-yellow color," kholos "bile, gall, wrath;" Latin helvus "yellowish, bay," Gallo-Latin gilvus "light bay;" Lithuanian geltonas "yellow;" Old Church Slavonic zlutu, Polish żółty, Russian zeltyj "yellow;" Latin galbus "greenish-yellow," fellis "bile, gall;" Lithuanian žalias "green," želvas "greenish," tulžis "bile;" Old Church Slavonic zelenu, Polish zielony, Russian zelenyj "green;" Old Irish glass, Welsh and Breton glas "green," also "gray, blue;" Old English galla "gall, bile," geolu, geolwe, German gelb, Old Norse gulr "yellow;" Old Church Slavonic zlato, Russian zoloto, Old English gold, Gothic gulþ "gold;" Old English glæs "glass; a glass vessel."
@@NileshOak Rigveda uses the terms Hiranya and Rukma for gold. Late Vedic Literature uses five terms Hiranya, Rukma , Harita, Jatarupa, and Suvarna for gold Harita means yellow colour. Except for Avesta's name for gold, no other names used for gold in Indo-European Languages beyond Persia have any linguistic similarity with Vedic names for gold. Evidence of RV 9.41.4 confirms the westward migration of Rigvedic people from Haryana ( Sarasvati River) to the west ( Indus River) in quest of gold and gems. The trend of westward migration from out of India, might have continued in pursuit of gold and precious stones. Regards
I have this question then why north india especially northwest part of India looks very much like middle eastern . And the south looks more like African.
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 it's a question ?
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 how their skin color and their facial structure looks different
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Bro wtf?
Who told u this?
I’m from Southern most district in Kerala which is a South Indian state.
I’m pretty fair skinned. So is my whole family.
@@taidelek9994 I'm South Indian and I've never seen an African looking person except a Bihari Labourer
Bull fight can be shown as non-IE element however, Spain has bull fight game. It is like circular logic
Why is the comparative study of the root words of all languages being done in Latin script? If you want to study then Brahmi script should be there.
I know Zero person who knows brahmi script
Where is the “Veda” equivalent of the supposed multiple homelands? All vaccum except for the Indian subcontinent.
One word 'elephant' is not sufficient. It could go by trade as well. Second, there is an elephant species 'wolly mammoth' which existed upto last ice age(10000 years ago).Tiger and Vyaghra(Sanskrit) are similar.Siberian tigers do exist. Leopard and Pardathu(Sanskrit) are similar. It means predator. Humans don't have have fur like Siberian Dog/bear/Tiger. So it means non African humans lived in South/Central Asia before expansion
I rem there was one mainstream journal paper which argued exactly using elephant and ivory words that Mesopotamians borrowed it from Dravidian.
@@goddalehundibharathraj4374 ivc site is so vast which start from kashmir to karnataka do u really think that only one ethnic group with only one ethnic language were living there ..I have never seen such iidiot people in the entire world no doubt u iindians was sslave for 800 yyrs .....
We all know rig veda has mentioned Saraswati river which went extinct 9000 years ago but taking it as ultimate evidence is a weak argument. Let's take a Todays example we have history books in English today so if Englishmen had wiped out native indian languages and transfered all the knowledge into English then after 1000 years people will think Englishmen were present in india since ancient times. Destroying the language of beaten people has happened regularly in the history. All the vedas are transferred from speaking and not via written books. Unless we find older rigvedic text we can't prove it
As per my impression Tamil is the initial language from which most languages developed and Sanskrit became the most refined and Scientific language and now it appears that most Indian languages developed from Sanskrit
@@kartmillysocial That's so wonderfully put together...... Thank you so much sir for your thoughts 🙂
@Kartmilly Social I am not telling that Tamil is developed language. I only meant it might have been the root and Sanskrit, the developed language and then intermixing with each other. All Indian language seems to be coming from each other
we don't have the prove that tamil is the oldest language of iindia so u have to rely on statues & other artifacts & the direct proof of tamil language b4 the advent of script is the statue of lord murugan ( lord karthikey ) with trident ''trishul''which is to be around 1200 BCE- 1100BCE ... IVC ( now some people say saraswati-indus civilization but whatever) is so vast from kashmir to the middle of karnataka so definitely many ethic people with many different languages used to live there just like modern day iindia... only commonality between this people them r ggenetic similarity , rreligion ( with different native tradition ) culture & most importantly is their festivals.
Lmao, Tamil is nothing than a ooga booga language
@@shahshah6214 when ggazwa hhind took place all this ooga booga langauge will be out of the window and aarrbic will rule.
Dear Srikanth Talageri, in places like Tamil Nadu, the very academic fact that there is a distinct Indo-European language family and a distinct Dravidian family, is used to foment divisions and fissures. We cannot completely ignore the ground reality of “separatism” in India and just say we are going to stick to academic facts.
What Talageriji is talking about is linguistics, separatism is a political issue. But there is obviously some overlap between linguistics and politics. In any case, it should not surprise anyone that there are two language families native to India (the Indo-European language family and the Dravidian language family) because India is a very large country. There's more than enough space in India for two distinct language families to arise.
@@Rishi123456789 What's the basis of your argument related to two distinct language families in India my friend?
The divisions and fissures started from the so called aryan side. With their literature and with their propaganda. Some one should address that ... Not the tamil side which is reacting to it.
@@phoenixj1299 it's explained by the speaker itself in the talk
The theory that languages organize as phylogenetic "family trees" is inspired from biology, where animal and plant kingdoms continually bifurcate into the lowest tier that is species. This theory is again inspired from the Christian concept of the Adamic language, i.e., the uncorrupted language that God spoke to his creation Adam. This kind of thinking has pushed linguists to attempt to place any language within a tree based on various notions of similarity such as lexical, grammatical, morphological, phonetic etc. The family tree model was opposed from the very beginning by the "wave model" where it is proposed that languages do not descend from hypothetical original languages but rather form when waves of speakers of different languages mix and decide to create a new language for better communication. However, various events in the 19th century made the family tree model the main model in linguistics rather than the wave model.
That Tamil is a Dravidian language and different from Sanskrit was proposed by William Caldwell. This is around the same time that the family tree model was taking shape in Europe and linguists were busy placing known languages of the world into family trees based on notions of similarity. The term Dravidian is a Sanskrit word and so is Dramila (from which the term Tamil originates). Once one gets rid of the mental construct of the family tree model of language evolution, it is quite clearly seen that so-called Dravidian languages such as Kannada, Malayalam, and Telugu, are the closest to Sanskrit than any other north-Indian language.
श्रीकांत तलगेरीजी बहुत बडे अभ्यासक है।मैने उनके दोनो किताब बढे हैं
1:00:00 another argument against steppe Aryan migration- the steppe people were horse riders. But horse riding people are not found in Rigveda nor in Harappan iconography.
There are no images of Ashvins riding horse in prayers, for example. Even in late texts like Mahabharata there are no cavalries as part of army. They have rathas.
The rib count issue is also widely known.
(I will discount Bhimbetaka painting as it cannot be dated and is also much further south)
Why discount Bhimbetka? The relative period of the paintings are well established!
And what about the description of river Saraswati in the RigVeda?
And what about Nadi sutra of Rigveda?
And what about the detailed description of the history of the people themselves written in our ancient scriptures. They themselves are clearly explaining Bharata Varsha. They have absolutely NO memory of any foreign origin. So now you know better about them than they themselves?LOL!
Completely false. Horse riding people are found in Ramayan times all the way to Mahabharat times consistently. People used horses at Vedic times while waging wars. Infact few of those clans are the ancestors of people of Greece, Persia etc(ancestors of Hellenic people and Persians). Ashvamedha yagya is a Vedic practice that existed in Vedic times which involves horse. Bhimbetka paintings prove that horses was a central part for Vedic clans once again.
@@phoenixj1299please provide examples preferably with reference from text
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 it’s about horse riding not just about horse
@@WhistleMaster let’s stick to horse riding only not muddy the argument.
The point I’m making is lack of horse riding in Rigvedic times (and indeed in later times as well) supports steppe Aryan invasion is unlikely
The reason for not counting Bhimbetaka is horse rider painting cannot be dated. They could well be from 1000 CE
He has no qualification in History and you want us to take him seriously? Don't use history for political ideologies.
RRR type
Todays veda and other books are only 2-3% of original one as it was oral tradition mostly as memory of that time is great ,thing in wriiten is just okay but just imagine if we have root knowledge (beads) full version via any yogi it could be wow or can we understand? .
Wrong!!
How about one, okati in Telugu. Ek in Hindi.
hindus need to invest on setting up reserch institutes
Father - fa+ther, mather- ma+ther, 'ther' - is suffix, Amma (in Tamil)= ma (short form) appa (in Tamil) = pa=ba=fa ( short form)
well
I love them both but they lack genetics knowledge, they should read up more & sharpen their arguments
Genetics can be manipulated too
"I love them both but they lack genetics knowledge, they should read up more & sharpen their arguments"
I completely agree with you, but even when it comes to genetics, we have compelling evidence.
@@Rishi123456789 I know, that's what I'm suggesting, if they catch up on the recent genetic findings like AASI in 1700 BC Minoa I'm sure they'd make more compelling arguments
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I can't understand what he is saying!!!!!!!
Read the presentation slides
He does have heavy Indian accent. Try auto generated closed caption. It may help. There are many good points he makes.
I tried watching it for a good hour but his arguments don't prove oit. On the contrary it proves aryan migration at minimum. If western scholars started with homeland of pie being India but moved to central steppe after not finding any evidences then why is he saying westerners have hidden agenda. The Egyptians did record the arrival of Assyrians from east around 3000bce so whats he talking about cultures not knowing about these people coming to Egyptian borders. Material cultures change with new people coming into an existing culture just like Islamic culture changed the architecture and lifestyle language and clothing styles of people same thing in India happened when these people came into India. He seems to be all over the place in his arguments making modern migrations of people moving to usa with the technology and travel methods. It's all jumbled up..
False. You are basing an assumption without evidence and hence it can be dismissed without evidence. But in this case we have solid evidence to dismiss your argument. The very fact that all European traditions can be found in India but not all indian traditions are found in Europe is a proof that ancient Indians migrated towards west according to fundamental logic an reasoning. Furthermore extreme diversification of R1a haplogroup in india undeniably prove that the migration happened from India to Europe. Extreme diversification of Vedic traditions prove that Vedic traditions originated in India and it was spread throughout Europe as per the evidence of swastik and much more in Europe. Evidence of Saraswati river as major in rig Veda undoubtedly prove that Vedic Hinduism began in India and it existed around 6000 BCE atleast. You failed to comprehend Mr. Talageri's points and you also failed to integrate various data points.
@@phoenixj1299 even talageri will laugh at your dating ...what European traditions found in India? Can you please elaborate
@@mogambo4565 You made an assumption before asking a question which showcases your unscientific and illogical mind. Even people laughed at Galileo when he said "earth is round". Who is laughing now? Same logic here. I am pretty sure Talageri or any other individual with basic sense will not laugh without listening to a statement fully. Laughing before comprehending a statement is a mark of a fool. You failed to respond to my evidence since your basis is a delusion. Let me point out some European traditions and If you have any, point them as well. Some of European traditions had shamanism which exists in India. They had paganism which exists in India. They had animism which exists in India. They had the concept of Triglov(Trimurti) which exists in India. They had blood sacrifices towards God which exists in India. I can keep going on and on.
@@phoenixj1299 paganism and shamanism are interlocked with tribalism it's not something unique every tribe used to have their own gods and rituals. The religions have evolved over time with expansionism and ideas being shared over millenia. Some may have 100 gods some may have 3 or 1 how does it connect anyone to anything. It's like saying Europeans and Indians drink water so their religion must have been same.
@@mogambo4565 Not entirely true since drinking water is basic human instinct but not paganism, concept of Sky father, heaven and much more. You are comparing a parameter which is common to every human being with specifics. Comparison can only be done with two equal scenarios. Paganism that adopts specific factors that exists in other culture is not the same.
Arre bhai logo bharat ki history bata rahe ho to hindi mai batao. Kyu sab English man bante ja rahe hai. Ye agar Hindi mai hota to 70% bhartiya samjhte. Naam aap ne Sangam rakha hai esko bhi English mai kardo. Pathetic!!
Kyun? South Indians or North east Indians ko bhi samajhna hai. Apni bhasha kisi pe thopo mat. Ye gaddari se kam nahi hai.
@@SK-hg3pt To tumhara matlab yah hai ki mai gaddar hoon? Kya bhai kuch bhi??
@@SK-hg3pt this Hindi speakers think they own India and everyone else is their slave.
@@gagadonim3354 all north Indians speak Hindi as it is an IE language, southern people should make an effort and learn Hindi, dravidian languages sound unintelligible
@@shahshah6214 wow look at your audacity to be the sun in solar system. For a South indian Hindi is as foreign as English. They are different language families can't you understand such basic fact?? No wonder South Indians hate north
this is not sankam talks.its absolutly..sangparivar talks .........
How many rice-bags did you convert with ?
@@shivanshtiwari2942 😂😂👍🏼👍🏼
u sud follow ur ppshyco jjesus example just like him u sud also commit ssuicide for the ssins of others .....for e.g. rrussian and ukrainian doing ssins to each other so by jjesus example u sud commit ssuicide for their ssins....
this traitor sold his motherland, ancestoral family and truth for rice bags. how selfish. sacrificed whole civilisation for rice bags.
Right wing , communal , andhbhakt, religious sanghi , superstitious emotional..... Goes on by secular , pseudo ppl
This is what Left- one God people say when they get challenged
@@Viraj911 right wing , left wing are western terms .
We should be critical and open for facts and evidence and destroy our bais by debate . That what dharma is .
Strive for only truth whether it is bad or good .
Shastra artha and purushartha are important
@@Viraj911 left has atheist, Christianity, so called rational, Marxist
Viprit buddi jivi - woke , good PPL also there .
@@Aryan-gc6ze this kind of people is needed so that people can troll them otherwise life will become boring....
look who is being trolled here carefully. truth cannot be trolled. you troll yourself in the attempt of trolling others when you go against truth. speaking of truth, none of your arguments succeed in denying the evidences of OIT. it is not even sientific.
This Koenraad guy is a Macaulay Putra through and through. I know what is going to say.
cope
Koenraad is based.
My only criticism is, all of these are always based on Vedas, and other scriptures whose dating is uncertain and always debatable based on bias
There is never an archeological claim. If we look at literature of all countries, they all can also similarly prove a theory for migration out of their land
Can you give example?
There are dateable passages in middle Vedic literature. Take for example Kaushitaki Brahmana which explains how to start year from winter solstice. It dates to before 3000 BCE. Can you give any examples like this from other literature?
Not true. Dating is not uncertain. Sure we can't specifically point it out but we can surely fix a time frame through hard evidence such as the mention of largely flowing Saraswati river.
There can be a 100 reasons for descriptions of dates prior to the literature being written. For example someone tells me about something today that I pass for a 1000 years. When it's noted 1000 years later, it doesn't reflect the true date.
This can be bundled with lot of other things of different dating. Idk why we're so dogmatic with vedas
Mr. Talageri has some good points, however he is a mere hate monger. However, what all those ancient kingdoms followed (there is plenty of evidence to this) followed the same culture, you cannot say they all had different backgrounds! You cannot be dogmatic when you say Rigveda is the crux of our culture. However, you cannot show anything else to replace it. It is quite obvious that this culture sustained for thousands of years and literally everyone who came in contact with it followed it. Hence primacy of this culture.
And Mr. Talageri must stop Brahmin bashing. It is truly similar to anti Semitic in nature. No Brahmin thinks he/she is Aryan, which is a western invention! 'Arya' is a Sanskrit word for 'Noble one' , which is widely used in Indian languages. Brahmins are predominantly religious in vocation, hence attacked by all anti Hindu hate mongers, among them is Mr. Talagari who is basically hate monger. Very disappointing!! And I never head any of my Brahmin friends believe they are Westerners! This is quite weird!
Ultimately talageri does not believe in the divinity of the vedas, making his efforts flawed.
a total nonsensical talk! total wastage of time
"Serious"?
Lol
If you have any proof for ait refute it with facts. Don't talk rubbish.
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The burden of proof isn't on me to refute. It's on these yahoos to prove.
Dr. Elst has always been a joke, but since his absurd "out of India" I.E. theory has been entirely disproven by recent genetics, he has lost all credibility. It's a testament to the science free nature of this channel that it would host someone like him
@@LVSJTHere come the mlechha wignat kangz who ironically have Joos and self-professed Marxists as their rockstar ideologues propped up by the ivy-leagues. You know, the likes of Witzel, Reich, Pollock and Doniger. We wuz. LOL
@@LVSJT AIT propagandist spotted. There's a hefty prize money for proving AIT/AMT from a think tank. No one of your inkling has taken up the challenge so far. Clearly exposes the Indophobic agenda.
after the evidence are been layed the burden of proof on the AIT dogma side. but the reality cant go against the truth so. try all you want AIT bias will never be truth. you cant deny the existing evidence which were proven in this video.
No need to worry that the AIT/AMT people are powerful and OIT people are not united. Ultimately, facts and facts alone will decide the outcome.
this guy Akash jain wasted so much time at the end specifically for his jain links