The Horse and The Rigveda
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ธ.ค. 2024
- In this podcast, Shrikant Talageri gives a detailed presentation about the role the Horse plays in the Rigveda. A lot has been said about the horse and the key role it plays when it comes to the Aryan Invasion/Migration Theory. But what is the evidence in the Rigveda? And what are the potential repercussions of the same?
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This channel is criminally underrated.Deserves atleast 3-400k!!!!Man this has been a major source of knowledge for me for atleast 2 years
Kushal is the most sensible person whom I found recently in the internet.
*On internet
THEY MIGRATED OUTSIDE OF INDIA, SHAKAS HUNS AND YAVANA WERE THROWN OUT OF INDIA TO THE WEST IN PER RIG VEDIC ERA AND ENTITLED MELICHHAS UNARYA THEIR TITLE OF BEING ARYA WAS REM OVED AS THEY STARTED NEW SET OF RITUALS,, N DISOBEYED LAWS OF WARS , BEFORE BATTLE OF TEN TRIBES OF RIG VEDA , THIS BATTLE WAS SECOND BATTLE OF TEN TRIBES BEFORE THIS WAR THEIR WAS ANOTHER WAR, IN WHICH SHAKAS YAVANS HUNS WERE THONE OUT OF ARYAA VARTA, THATS WHY SWASTIKAS WERE FOUND IN UKRAIN, AND IRANIANS CALLED THEMSELVES ARYA TOO BUT WORSHIPED ASURAS IN REALITY THESE IRANINAS ARE THOSE UNARYA OR MELICCHAS , JUST LIKE ASSYRIANS WHO USED ASUR WITH THEIR NAMES LIKE KING ASUR BANIPAL ETC WHO OCCUPIED SUMER AND THEY ALSO WORSHIPED ASURS.THATS Y WESTERN PEOPLE'S LANGUAGE IS SIMILAR TO SANSKRIT. AND LINEAGE OF SHAKAS HUNS AND YAVANAS WERE REMOVED AFTER THEY WENT OUT WITH THEIR RISHIS., OR PROGENY OF SHUKRA AND SHAKAS YAVANAS AND HUNS .
SHAKAS YAVANS HUNS KAMBHOJ PARAD PALLAVAS HEHAY TAALJANG FAOUGH WITH KING SAGAR IN WHICH HEHAY AND TAALJJANG WERE KILLED AND SHAKAS YAVANS HUNS ABANDONED VEDIC CULTURE AND PEOPLE THREW THEM OUT OF ARYA VARTA DECLARING THEM MELICHHAS UNARYA THUS THEY STARTED WORSHIPING ASURAS AND FIRE ONY BUT NOT AS HAVANA JUST LIKE IRANIANS , SAGAR WAS ANCESTOR OF BHAGIRATHA. AND BHAGIRATHA WAS ANCESTOR OF RAMA AND DASHRATHA .
LATER THESE SHAKAS FOUGHT FROM THE SIDE OF KAURAVAS, ALSO , READ ABOUT ASSYRIANS THEY WERE WORSHIPER OF ASURAS LIKE IRANINAS, AND HATED DEVAS , WHICH IN ANTI VEDIC HENCE UNARYA OR NON ARYAN THING
During the various periods of Assyrian conquest, such as the Assyrian Empire of Shamshi-Adad I (1813-1750 BC), Middle Assyrian Empire (1391-1056 BC) and Neo-Assyrian Empire (911-605 BC), Assyrian imperial propaganda proclaimed the supremacy of Ashur and declared that the conquered peoples had been abandoned by their own gods.
When Assyria conquered Babylon in the Sargonid period (8th-7th centuries BC), Assyrian scribes began to write the name of Ashur with the cuneiform signs 𒀭𒊹 AN.ŠAR2, the ideograms for "whole heaven" in Sumerian, simplified into Rassam cylinder Anshar.jpg AN.ŠAR2 in Assyrian cuneiform, which came to be pronounced Aššur in the Assyrian dialect of Akkadian, the language of Assyria and Babylonia. The intention seems to have been to put Aššur at the head of the Babylonian pantheon, where Anshar and his counterpart Kishar ("whole earth") preceded even Enlil and Ninlil.[3] Thus in the Sargonid version of the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian national creation myth, Marduk, the chief god of Babylon, does not appear, and instead it is Ashur, as Anshar, who slays Tiamat the chaos-monster and creates the world of humankind , THEY BEHAVED SAME AS ASUR WHO ALWAYS TRIED TO TAKE OVER HEAVEN AND DECLARE THEMSELVES AS GODS OR DEVAS .
I don't know if AIT or OIT is real or not but Srikant Talagiri's ji logic make sense. Hope one day I can sit with him and have a long talk.
He is a warrior brahmachari cum excellent host ....[aam rasa puri ! Unforgettably simple and unshakeably firm].Jai ho.
it does make sense, but then he also goes on to say outrageous shit like- AIT people changed the documents. i dont know what to believe at this point.
AIT: From “Aryan Invasion Theory” To “Aryan Immigation Theory”
Soon it will become “Aryan Imagination Theory”
Aryan Tourism Theory
It was imagination from the very start itself
Aryan s** theory. Aryans came got excited mixed with people😀
@@harikris5 THEY MIGRATED OUTSIDE OF INDIA, SHAKAS HUNS AND YAVANA WERE THROWN OUT OF INDIA TO THE WEST IN PER RIG VEDIC ERA AND ENTITLED MELICHHAS UNARYA THEIR TITLE OF BEING ARYA WAS REM OVED AS THEY STARTED NEW SET OF RITUALS,, N DISOBEYED LAWS OF WARS , BEFORE BATTLE OF TEN TRIBES OF RIG VEDA , THIS BATTLE WAS SECOND BATTLE OF TEN TRIBES BEFORE THIS WAR THEIR WAS ANOTHER WAR, IN WHICH SHAKAS YAVANS HUNS WERE THONE OUT OF ARYAA VARTA, THATS WHY SWASTIKAS WERE FOUND IN UKRAIN, AND IRANIANS CALLED THEMSELVES ARYA TOO BUT WORSHIPED ASURAS IN REALITY THESE IRANINAS ARE THOSE UNARYA OR MELICCHAS , JUST LIKE ASSYRIANS WHO USED ASUR WITH THEIR NAMES LIKE KING ASUR BANIPAL ETC WHO OCCUPIED SUMER AND THEY ALSO WORSHIPED ASURS.THATS Y WESTERN PEOPLE'S LANGUAGE IS SIMILAR TO SANSKRIT. AND LINEAGE OF SHAKAS HUNS AND YAVANAS WERE REMOVED AFTER THEY WENT OUT WITH THEIR RISHIS., OR PROGENY OF SHUKRA AND SHAKAS YAVANAS AND HUNS .
@@harikris5 LATER THESE SHAKAS FOUGHT FROM THHE SIDE OF KAURAVAS, ALSO .
Shrikant Talageri is proof of divine inspiration . . . ♆ 卐 🇮🇳 🔆
Alongwith NIlesh Nilkanth Oak, the two geniuses are modern day warriors of Vedic Civilisation
🚩 🚩 🚩 जय श्री राम 🚩 🚩 🚩
Shrikant Sir you are one of the unsung heroes of this time. Great Sir and hope you get more recognition and accolades in future. And Kushal this podcast was mind-blowing. Your channel is awesome.
God bless Srikant Sir and you Kushal.
True intellectiual mr. Talgiri
Excellent presentation as always from Shrikant Talageri. We should keep in mind that this subject is highly intricate and complex in its details. Talageri does fundamental research and writes very detailed technical papers. So it is unfair to say that his communication skills are lacking. The very nature of this subject makes it very difficult to dumb it down to make the presentation audio-visual media-friendly. Doing so will mean stripping away all the academic language and details, which would then make it useless.
Please note that in this video, Talageri is summarizing the state of the debate, by providing some history and context.
Professor has very brilliantly pushed back and showed the hypocrisy of Leftists historians. But he was trying to put a lot of information within a small time. And he jumps many logical steps.... And you find him contradicting... But he gets back from his tangent and comes back to his point and then you realise he was making logical points and there were no contradiction. It's just that he jumps from one step to another... And we lose context and then comes back again to fill the blanks. A classical Indian professor. Good brains. Very poor communicators. No wonder why Kushal was sleepy. Even i lost track and started looking at Kushal. Also he usesany many redundant sentences. And don't ask him complex question. Ask him simple straight question. He goes on a tangent very often.
A for content, C for presentation. Typical of Indic professors. They really need to learn from Hans Rosling and the power of visualization tools and technics to convey ideas.
We should keep in mind that this subject is highly intricate and complex in its details. Talageri does fundamental research and writes very detailed technical papers. So it is unfair to say that his communication skills are lacking. The very nature of this subject makes it very difficult to dumb it down to make the presentation audio-visual media-friendly. Doing so will mean stripping away all the academic language and details, which would then make it useless.
@@hdthor I agree. His presentation is awful . But he is not a trained professor. I am sure someone can help him with that.
The moment when you realise the word "Rotate" has its roots in the word Ratha! 🙏🏾🙏🏾
History and Etymology for rotate
Adjective
Latin rota
Verb
Latin rotatus, past participle of rotare, from rota wheel - more at ROLL
History and Etymology for roll
Noun (1)
Middle English rolle, from Anglo-French roule, rolle, from Medieval Latin rolla, alteration of rotula, from Latin, diminutive of rota wheel; akin to Old High German rad wheel, Welsh rhod, Sanskrit ratha wagon
when they say horse heads were gifted, i dont think they gifted just the heads but the whole horse. as in ancient time they donated the whole cows but called it gaupuch
There are allusions to more than the ten mandalas of the Rig Veda (within the vedas) which we have today. These were lost even before these ten were compiled so I assume the story of the battle of ten kings - dasarajna - mentioned briefly in the 7th mandala was possibly detailed in these older vedas.
You guys are doing a great job....bhaiya mahaan ho ap .....🚩🙏
Why ts the word 'Arya' used in conjunction with race? There is no such thing as an 'Aryan race'.
Why do you think people who want to destroy this civilization will care about sensitivities of people of this civilization
*I want to know Mr. talageri's opinion about Shri Mrugendra Vinod 's view on Saraswati River , Unicorn seal (IVC site) to be actually depicting ashwamedha ritual.Mrugendra vinod and Mr. Ved veer Arya are claiming that the chronology of Indian history has been messed up and atleast 600 years gap is there. Is it true?* (Their lectures are there on sangam talks and jaipur dialogues)
@Devvrat Mishra you should listen the three lectures then...you will get your answer...
@Devvrat Mishra Sawals are always short. Explainations are not that short. You have addressed several queries ..that's why I recommended the video..Do you know about ekasringa???
@Devvrat Mishra That's later modification of ekasringa in puranic age..when idol worship and temple building became prevalent....
@Devvrat Mishra Yes his name is mrugendra vinod , You can find the video on sangam talks . He is an ex DRDO engineer and Expert in Vedas. The seal is actually depicts bull (go mrigaha), and the cult object is *Yupa* . In ashwamedha yagna the sacrifice was symbolic. And not only horse ,bulls and other rare animals were also kept in front of Yupa.The whole process is mentioned in Vedas.The main problem is we dont read it and just depend on foreign scholars to tell us a crux. But crux never gives the actual story. One years back I was a strong beleiver of Aryan migration/Invasion theory ....as you know I had interest in short 10 minutes clips as I had less time. But short videos never give you exact picture. You have to listen long lectures ,debates ,have to read different books to understand stuffs.Ancient History is very complex and most of the history written in our academic books regarding ancient india is based on reconstruction and interpretation of secondary sources written by colonial scholars.The marxist historians like Romila thapar who claim themselves to be expert in ancient history didn't bother to study sanskrit and they depended solely on secondary sources.And they had political interest too. Once you frame an oppressor and invader it becomes easy to gather the crowd to become fanatically aggressive against that community.Similar staff happened here too....Aryan Invasion Theory was used as a tool to divide india into North and south , Forward castes vs Backward castes , mulniwasi politics etc. There are many parties which developed their ground based on this dogma.
Vedveer arya to mauryans ko 3000 k as pas le jata he😂usk liye carbon dating ki koi value nhi he.
Dear Podcaster and Dear Talegiri sir, What about the paintings in Bhemberka, portraying horseriding men, dated 9000 BC .
Kushal is doing a meme review with Abhijit and Sam while the speaker is horsing around! - LOL
Very informative discussions. I like the fact that there is proper intellectual approach. It would benefit immensely if we can source all the assertions and quotes. It should then be published as a paper. This is how we advance the thesis and counter the traditional AIT theory. We need more rigorous explain actions and quoted references on DNA proofs.
@Piyush Mishra writes: "It should then be published as a paper". If you listen to some of Shrikant-ji's talks (and also Koenraad Elst), you'll come to know that acadaemic publishing is in control of the AIT theory cabal. They just will not accept any of Shrikant-ji's papers, however powerful and convincing the arguments are. One can only hope that things may change for the better sometime in the future (just like what has happenned in the Wuhan virus case, although on a much much quicker time scale: the lab-leak theory that was pooh-poohed by academics last year--who also rejected papers--is now back with a bang).
Nice work.....
In support of the horse argument, selective breeding can change form very rapidly. An example is the dog, which goes from tiny toy poodles to massive Great Danes, all coming from the same wolf-derived ancestor. The origin of most of the new dog breeds can be traced back to just a few generations in recent history.
Aryan invaition theory to ariyan migration theory...next what?? Aryan picnic theory maybe.
Aryan tourism theory.😂😂😂
@@singhdeepak10 Then aryan video chat theory ...
The area of visvamitra sakuntala s father is near Delhi
He is a warrior brahmachari cum excellent host ....[aam rasa puri a la my review of his 'entry' output: The Aryan Invasion Theory, reviewed at length by me in the Mountain Path [circa 1989]! A true researcher son of bharat equipped with light of unsullied reason, Unforgettably simple and unshakeably firm .Jai ho.
1:11:12 Sir you said why would one try to capture a horse, but can it be that the horse would be decorated to let people know that this horse is used for Ashwamedhayagna? Are there any texts describing how a horse looked like that performed the yagna?
super 👌
I watched 4-5 videos of Kushal and
I am agree with 95.67% of
Kushal 's thoughts
It's strange
Wow! We are so close. I agree with him 95.6969% of times.
How can I purchase/get Shri Shrikanth Talageri's books?
Mr. Talageri's disdain of anything non-historical is funny - especially now when the internet is swamped with robotic literalists with their trademarked litany, "it's not mythology, it's history."
49:00 qahwah, is it same as Fijian kava?
Mahabharata has a KAALACHAKRA date 5561 BCE and horses and chariots were part of that war. Is this not reliable?
How can you say vedic and harrapan in same sentence. What is the proof of both are being same
Read his books and for God's sake listen carefully to the different archaeological excavations of horse bones and dating of those bones. And compare it with amt proponents time slab of a presumed migration.
What is the proof both aren’t same?
None of Indian texts mention that they migrated to India from elsewhere.
They are concocted stories to mask the real tamil history of india !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wgok so why didn't Tamil people recorded their own history 😂😂
@@atharvamishra2813 Tamil literatures and history destroyed by aryanas !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg don't talk in air. The artefacts and pottery found in harappan areas is nowhere related to the tamil culture.
Dravid bs only gets evidence in dmk documents.
@@mridulamishra9737 What nonsense are you talking ?
The pots got in keezhadi were red and black as in harappan areas .
Some symbols ( graffities ) were almost like those from IVC areas .
The DNA sample from rakhigarhi matched most with a tamil speaking irula community.
What else proof do you want the harappan to be dravidian ?
Vishunu purana mentioned more shakas that are missing from present vedas.. indeed some would have missed.. because it's a oral tradition.. memorizing all those things is challenge.. every is not capable of doing that.
Well horse chariot remains were found in sinauli and nearby area and many weapons which shows they used them for fighting it's very obvious and we have bimbehtka carvings showing horses even yajurveda accounts of horses matches arabian horses meaning they traded horse from middle east.
so few views!!!!!!!! it is criminal
Even very recent migration from us east cost to west was done on wagon train so how could ancient one only done by men on horses. There is a conversation in dancing with wolf - where Indian medicine is confident of defending men on horses but hero aware of wagons train migration.
Mr. Talageri is an amazing scholar. We are lucky that in addition to being a scholar, he is an articulate fighter taking on idiotic racist Westerners.
All excellent aeguments esp. Horses from Kazak/Afgan could not move to India since 6000 BC , but Aryans somhow first taken all horses to north first then braught down to India at 1500 BC. Also " India did mot have horses but already had words for Horse which Aryans needed to borrow"
It would help if you as the host could paraphrase whenever the explanation becomes too lengthy and complicated
AIT = Aryan Imagination Theory
Ak prashna jb bachhe thoda bolne ki koshis krne lagte hai tb wo pani ko mum kyo bolte hai ya unhe kyo sikhaya jata hai
19.50 Written history exists from 300bc Ashokan period. Western Asia has older records. How many people from India like this ?
We do have the Indus valley script, but it is yet undeciphered, and hence we consider it as pre-history. It's a technical distinction.
@@abhisheknair3343 I had heard about this as well. Was Sumerian and ancient Egyptian related to Arab / Hebrew the way Sanskrit is related to modern Indian languages
There are many vasisthas and visvamitras
Apparently even the Horses originally evolved in the Americas & spread to Africa, Asia, etc before going extinct in the Americas, at least that's what I heard on Joe Rogan's show.
48:01 In Marathi (& various languages) we call Tea as Chaha which is probably from the Chinese or East Asian name Chha.
It has now been challenged. The common ancestor of horse, donkey, rhinoceros and tapir originated from india
@@souravsaha9749 Is there any video on it? Is it discussed somewhere? Any website link to read will also do.
camelids+horse ancestors are likely to have evolved in north america. not necessarily the exact wild horse that became domesticated.
Joe Rogan? Bhai it is embarrassing. Can't you find any better sources of information? Joe Rogan is the same person who talks about 2000lbs Grizzly Bears breaking a Moose's back with one swing.
Om
Kushal keeps looking here and there while the speaker is talking. It's very disrespectful and also is very off putting to the audience. Look at how invested Joe Rogan looks in each and every word that comes out of his guest's mouth and see the difference between successful podcasters versus the unsuccessful ones.
This is because he is interacting with the live audience. If he had Joe Rogan's budget, he can hire someone like Jaime, who can manage that end.
@@user-xg9ys6bb3e Compare it to Abhinav Prakash who's working on a similar budget. His viewership numbers are already better than Kushal's and it's largely because he nicely engages with the speaker.
@@Anushrut1 Wrong, huge chunk of abhinav's subscriber base is actually because of kushal . Kushal promoted his work when he just started
@@anujmishra4871 And after he promoted, more people decided t subscribe to Abhinav than Kushal.. right makes sense!
The reason for more people interested in Abhinav is because he is more pleasant. Kushal comes across as arrogant and a know it all. And also the topics which Kushal pics are much more esoteric while Abhinav's is more towards what a lay audience would want. I check out Kushal's podcast only for topics I'm really interested in like AIT and based on who the guest is.
The date of visvamitra the king. Is around i800 bce and the date of visvamitra the father of sakùntala is around 15oo bce
first..the souther horse (onager) vs northern horse discussion is very important...both divided by the mid asian mountain belt..from Turkey and Taurus to himalayas, Kunlun Shan...and yes its true , Ramayana show the society of Mauryan Period..post BUddha as Talageri Ji said
@Devvrat Mishra Rama in Mitanni might have been a name and may not necessarily refer to the Rama of Ramayana...There is no evidence that the Ramayana or Mahabharata stories were know to the general public before 500 to 400 BCE
@Devvrat Mishra Mitanni Dasharatha is a different King who is much much later than Lord Rāma's father, his 'daughter' is Tadukhipa aka Nefertiti
@Devvrat Mishra that's because they migrated from India only bhai, they were Sanskrit speaking elite ruling over the local Hurrians
@Devvrat Mishra kya bol raha hai bhai? Theek se toh padh main kya likh raha hoon pichle comments mein, Tushratta (Dasharatha) was a contemporary Mitanni king not Lord Rāma's father, there are so many kings with the same name, doesn't mean they are all related, there are so many Devvrats doesn't mean they are your brothers, he probably had 10 chariots which is why he was named that, Hyksos or Mitanni are known to have brought chariots to Middle East, his name not only occurs in the Mitanni records but also occurs in the Hittite and Egyptian records which is why his presence is confirmed, he gave away his daughter to marry to the Egyptian Pharoah Akhenaten in 1300 BCE, which is nothing compared to the contemporary dating of Rāmāyaṇa which is around 5000BCE or earlier, jab log bata rahe hai tujhe toh kuch toh samjha kar
@Devvrat Mishra there are different datings of Rāmāyaṇa based on co-relating the positions of stars in the Nakshatras given in it, generally most consider it to be around 5000 BCE , or even earlier if you consider the Yuga cycles, but the case in point being that all of those dates are nowhere close to Mitanni era of 2000-1500 BCE
The aryan invasion now base their theory that vedas were written by aryans
Egyptians used chariot and horses in forces.
Arabian horse we cannot avoid.
Kushal sobering after AIM 😊
sir aap bhi meme review karo
10:40 potato is an indian crop na? How come Portuguese America's brought it here ?
@Amanta De Capaldi potato is not indian plant. It is native American, search it
@@bastabdatta317 I did but but but but there were records of potato in chandragupt times I read somewhere... How come .. now I am confused 😕😕
@@stalinsampras 🙄🙄🤡 if u don't know about me or wht I am asking and on wht basis then stfu ... Jyada gyan mat pel .. typical keyboard warriors 🤡
@@amantedecapaldi4037 That might be Yam (Dioscorea)
lol no, it's from South America.
I like the way he says "onagers and wild asses" lol
നമസ്തേ
Namaskkaram ......
ആഹാ ഒരു മലയാളി.
Follow evidence wherever it leads.
🐎 👍🏻
Why can’t you have this in Hindi?ffs and please talk a bit softer aswell
The land of the visvamitra the king is on bihar and Nepal border
India need a Democratic society, not religious society. Purana are rough folklore history. Ramayan and mahabharat moral cosmic(imaginary) stories. In ramayan rama send his wife into fire, to prove her purity. In mahabharat pandavas bet their wife, they can't match today's morals. Shiva purana is about nomadic people culture. They believed blood relationship. Relationship between yadav and yadav is blood relationship. Yadu, kuru, puru, turu, nomadic communities did war and matrimonial alliance. Puru Punjabi yadu are in up bihar naga in South Indian Tamil Keralites kannda even some of Maharashtra. Sons of ganga mean up bihari bengali, Angi kula Iranian. Indian spiritual teachers like sanyasi brahmacharies kshatriys distorted culture and history for personal benifit. Buddhists and jain also did same.
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Rig veda is not a book it is a collection of chants
Perhaps an apt title would have been: AIT from the horse's mouth!
Mix of Good, Bad and Ugly. Too many ad hominem attacks, and that is Ugly. He has many good points that can be presented in half the time if he forgoes ad hominem attacks and presumptions of intentions of the opposition. Also many misunderstandings. Obviously issues are controversial but that doesn't mean one has to get down to Ugly level of ad hominem and ad baculum. Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr disagreed about Quantum Mechanics through out there life but never ever got down to Ugly level of ad hominem attacks even when they joked about each other.
That is because history is all about consensus and approval of a hypothesis, any one out of the power circle is pretty much ignored. So I can understand his frustration.
In physics its all about repeatable experiment and math, so much harder to run a cabal hence much fair.
true....any theory should be looked in all its aspects.....many of the facts are either ignored or rubbished by Shri.Talageri.......further he has no clue regarding recent genetic findings which have clearly shown that Steppe genes were intrusive to the subcontinent...
there are bhimbetka cave paintings in narmada valley where a 🦒 is hunted by a group of horse man its more than 10,000 year old cave painting paleolithic sites
Talageri has great knowledge but he needs to work on delivery and simplifying his presentation. Very difficult to follow his train of thoughts!! He ends up confusing the viewers!!
Sorry to say, Kushals first two questions were absolutely garbage. Thanks for bringing this discussion on TH-cam. We want to see more of this speaker on the OIT theory.
India dont have white horses that is from Serbia we bring Rig Veda to India we are that Arian Indoeurop people. Lepeski Vir 9500BC and Vinca culture 5500BC and Starcevo and tripoli Cucuteni... svastika is from Serbia Vinca culture 5500BC...
Vedas glorify and mentioned only Sindhu Sagar horse ( horse that present in beyond they arabian sea or in sindhu ) farther in aswamedha yagna ( horse sacrifice) they Arya horse mentioned as having 34 ribs ( 17 pair ) , which only native to arab ,and himalyan oldest kind of this found in arab ( hence Vedas referenced to horse as Sindhu Sagar aswa ( horse From sindhu sea / arabian sea )
Further Vedas mentioned Dyaus ( sky god) as primodial god he ride the black horse
@@greaterbharat4175 Veda was 3 time rewritten.Sanskrit is Serbian language. Today have 5000 same words like moder Serbian. India is full of Serbian toponim.India peoples with genetics R1a1 are from Serbian father. Bramani,Siki,Shingi... are Serbian genetics. We brings Rig Veda to India and swastika symbol. We bring Jing Jang to China. We build piramide in China....
@@petarpan455😂 where did you get this knowledge ?
Vedas are shurti ,they are totally orall recitation
You cannot edit orall recitation tradition
Western scholar mentioned Vedas is like tape-recorder
@@petarpan455Serbian are not the holder of oldest r1a 😂
Indians tribe of India have oldest mutation of r1a 18,000 year old
And first time heard Indian people ( High has 72 percent r1a1, are fathered by Serbian who have only 15 highest percent highest r1a1 😂 )
Kushal is knowledgable but a terrible conductor in conversations.
Mahabharata and Ramayana are very likely to have no iota of historicity. From the geography of Ramayana, it is clear that it is a later story since it starts to clearly describe and takes place primarily in southern regions and Sri Lanka, while Mahabharata remains to the north, so Mahabharata should precede Ramayana as Vedic tribes did not go south yet. But by canon it is mentioned that Ramayana precedes Mahabharata which is impossible
If you have read ramayana, ram was king of Ayodhya and its in UP.
Mahabharata talks about shree Ram but ramayana never talks about shree Krishna but talks about parshuram
Haha....why do you people make up stuff out of your ass?
Do you even know how many kingdoms from the south participated in the Mahabharata war?
You have read neither Ramayana nor the Mahabharata
Dumb point even in Mahabharata kings from south participated
Almost all bullock carts, horse carts in india have been two wheeled and only those belonging to elites like jamindars kings had more than two wheels .
Mr. Talageri is telling blatent lie .
@@memesins5647 are you addressing me ?
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg yes Chariots are for elites that were found in rakhigrahi graves with two wheels
Shrikant ji looks like Boner Kapoor
Saraswati is cosmic river, brahmin is not ethnicity. They are bunch people from various ethnicities. They were all ways been civil servants and traders. They distorted history for their benefit, now they can't convince they are Indian. Yadav and kuru are biggest Indian nomadic ethnicities. They don't have surname indicating region. But brahmin have surnames indicting region, Iyengar South Indian bahuguna up bihar, Nambudari Kerala, kulkarni karnataka Maharashtra.
According mahabharat Yadav and kuru are dead. Indian government should do caste based survey of shepherds(kuru, kurub, kuruva)nomadic and cowherd(Yadav). Being Yadav and kuruva is not job it's an athnicity. Brahmin wrote mahabharat for guptas empire. What's mahabharat ? It's a Nation in which thier is no ethnic supremacy, society is divided in to four parts brahmin civil servants, Kshatriya politicians army personal, vyshya trader and service providers shudras. Yadav and kuru ethnicities had own brahmin own king and servant. According to manusmriti we are shudras. we don't have right to education right to trade and right to become king or politicians. Even today we have own sanyasi(spiritual gurus) own Gods mallara bira incarnation of shiva and our own politician. I'm sure we were super rich and dominating, today we are backward, middle class and poor. Meat eating is impure and bad, because we revolted against brahmin Buddhist jain ritualism, economic exploitation in the name religion. Our ancestors started civilisation by domesticating animals cultivating land. But we are anaryas non Nobel inferior lower cate. Brahmin jain sanyasi and Buddhist sanyasi superior Aryan Nobel.
Guess what Einstein it is acknowledge by all scholars western to india that kuru is not a caste but clan and Kurus are Brahmins,kshtriya,vaishya and shudra.
Prakshit and janmajeya are historical kuru king who perform Vedic yagna they worship Vedic gods.
So Kurus were never s caste and Kurus ard basically are in north particularly haryana.
Even a leftist scholar will laugh on your point .
The concept of surname doesn't exist in modern times people are known either by their father names the place were they born or the clan so even the ancient yadvas king don't use yadvas surname brahmin start using surname during colonial time.
And sarswati is a real river archeological evidence say that
But I know u will not understand because u don't want to.
@@smoky3302 I'm South Indian I have look of North Indian. Lighter skin tone, sharp nose, straight non curly, little blonde hair, and broad eyes. My mother has dark skin tone curly black hair and big nose. May be our ancestors moved from North to South. Ok according to you we are not Aryan. Mahabharat is true And support manusmriti, let's implement manusmriti for two days. India will collapse in few days.
What's is caste? Only brahmin Kshatriya and vyshya are Aryan. All other non Aryan shudras. There are three types of brahmin agama brahmin (non Vedic), rigved brahmin and yajurved brahmin.every brahmin look is different from other, if all brahmin are from saraswati river they must look same as each other. You make Yadav as Aryan Kshatriya in morning and shudras in evening. In South there was less varna system hence less conversation happened. In Punjab and Kashmir there was high varna system. we lost 1/3 Punjab sikh and muslim half of Kashmir half of Bengal. We Yadav and kuru didn't discriminate other community, noone call us foreigner. Yadav and kuruva(kuruba) is not job my friend. Ethnicities of India. My community believes shiva vishnu brahma are our ancestors and brahmin are our cosine brother. That's why brahmin don't feel any discrimination in Yadav land that's up bihar, kuruva land that's Gujarat Maharashtra and Karnataka. In Kerala Keralite converted to Islam and Christianity. Tamil supported Dravidian movement. India's at least 20% are Yadav and kuruva. We all ways with brahmin but we are shudras. Isn't it cheating.
@@smoky3302 see this song,th-cam.com/video/YUH9jD__qHY/w-d-xo.html in this song brahmin peshwa dancing to saying bandara chad chad. Apply bandara mean converted enemy. Do aggressive war. Mallari kuladeva of our community.
@@smoky3302 I don't know whether we are Aryan or non Aryan. Brahmin call themselves twice born, without jeneyu they aren't brahmin. But I'm kuruva by birth. I have Government certificate of my ethnicity. I will be a kuruva even I marry other caste girl. I'm kuruva even if I work as carpenter, labour, teacher, I can do anything except cleaning toilet selling meat and selling alcohol.
@@smoky3302 India's first non brahmin monastery, was kanaka pita by kuruba.
Waste of time and electricity
Indians need to preempt any narrative and not try and counter argue
So, figure out what other arguments can the West put forth and debunk it even before it becomes a topic of discussion
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"Trust" is based on a value system. And, there is no general value system in India. Societies need such systems. India is like jello.
no, the only thing that matters is the truth, wherever it may lead. with academic rigour.
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 pre-empting un-true or manufactured truth is JUST another way of what you are saying.
Your version is extremely well understood in the East. And, purposefully opposed in the West, including at schools like Harvard, Oxford, and Cambridge.
You want to waste time, which is exactly what the West has done and wants YOU to continue doing, then please go ahead.