Aryan Invasion Theory: A Myth or Reality? | Dabur Red Paste Arth 2019
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I'm Tamil ..I don't believe in Aryan dravidian theory..
Good to hear, any current news on Tamil Nadu's position on this theory.
What happened to tamil rape cases where politicians are involved? I am from north. Please let me know
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I am from Kerala and I find this Aryan theory nothing but something done to divide india. India is one akhand bharat is India's history!
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if aryan theory right.
then the oldest language was from europe but nothing oldest languages in europe.
the 2 oldest languages from india
@ I'm a OBC and I reject Aryan Invasion Theory
@ There are many misinterpretations and internationas in Manusmruti... And it is not the central text... The main texts are Vedas Puranas and Bhagavadgita... They don't propose any such discrimination....
@@siddharthmdavse1271 The main Texts are Vedas and Upanishads not Puranas.
It is high time we stopped saying 'Ganges' for 'Ganga' and words like 'Gangetic Plain'. Otherwise, the people who started the Aryan Invasion Theory win!
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Agreed
I noticed it tooo... All these years it was ganga ... In all indian scripts it's ganga
These Europeans have claimed
The Vedas, they are also claiming our
RAM Setu as Adam's bridge,some are also claiming yoga. It is not long before they also claim my underwear!
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@@southernwind2737 I can understand why you send me this video but after the rakhigarhi excavation sweat done I have read about it to the best of my ability and nobody in my family even the ones were historians considered the the Aryan theory of Darwin theory to be an absolute that is an absolute fallacy and the varna system developed in a very latest age of which there are proper ways to treat that phenomena how developed and also the Aryan myth has been disposed long ago in the inteligencia and now rakhigarhi has ended the debate....diesel ise written by reliance to divide we should escape all these things take pride in our Sanskrit culture in our Brahmin culture in our Tamil culture Bengali culture and so much we have we should stop talking about Shakespeare and start talking about kaviratna kalidasa
Don't be silly. Of course your underwear are yours. ( I'm talking about the yellow ones which belong to you. The blue ones are mine)
I am from Andhra and I do not agree with Aryan invasion theory.
Im from tamilnadu and we totally agree with AIT...
Mainstream scholars do not agree with the Aryan invasion theory. The term "invasion", while it was once commonly used in regard to Indo-Aryan migration, is now usually used only by opponents of the Indo-Aryan migration theory. The term "invasion" does not any longer reflect the scholarly understanding of the Indo-Aryan migrations, and is now generally regarded as polemical, distracting and unscholarly. Scholars now realize it was a migration, with an assimilation with the peoples of the Indian subcontinent. The Aryans emerged as an independent group on the Eurasian steppe in the form of the Sintashta culture beginning in 2200 BCE. Archeologists have discovered that the funerary rituals of the Sintashta culture match those found in sections of the Rigveda. The Aryans then migrated south and east to form the Andronovo culture. The spoke wheeled chariot is found here, which is also evidence for its Aryan nature. Many Iranian peoples have historical dominates the region, such as the Saka, Sarmatians, and Alans. Archeological findings of the Andronovo and textual evidence of the Vedas and Avesta also show how the Andronovo was Aryan. The Andronovo culture borrowed many traditions from the neighboring Bactria-Margiana Archeological Complex (BMAC), but did not mix with its people. We know that they did not mix with the Aryans, because modern day Indo-Aryans don’t have any BMAC DNA. The Aryans then branched out into the Indo-Aryans and Iranians. The majority of the Indo-Aryans went into the Indian subcontinent. There they first materialized in the form of the Gandhara grave culture circa 1700 BCE, centered on the Middle Swat River. The polished gray and black pottery, burial of bodies, metal pins used to fasten clothing, and terra-cotta statues of women are all similar to BMAC sites. The graves of the Gandhara grave culture particularly represent a combination of the Andronovo and BMAC traditions. Burial of horses is also something the Gandhara grave culture shares with the older Andronovo culture. In the Gandhara grave culture, there is also significant cultural continuity with previous Indian traditions. Genetics of the Gandhara grave culture shows that its inhabitants had a DNA component from Mehrgarh, an early IVC site. Then the Indo-Aryans spread south, absorbing the Ochre Colored Pottery Culture and the Cemetery H culture, both of which were remanants of the Indus Valley Civilization. Thus the early Vedic period began centered on the Sapta Sindhavah in northern Punjab. In the later Vedic period, the Indo-Aryans spread west, with Kuru and Panchala being the most powerful kingdoms.
so what u think u are a historian fool people
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Ariyan invasion theory debunked
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I AM FROM TELANGANA,I COMPLETELY REJECT THE CRAPPY ARYAN INVASION THEORY.
@Hare Krishna beauty lies in eye of beholder. Shri krishna was black to. Anyone can have dark skin colour but it's you who own a bad, ugly and an unwanted thinking.
@Hare Krishna I have seen many dark kashmiris who look like kolkata rickshaw wallahs. Moreover beauty does not lie in skin colour. I can tell from now that no matter how physically beautiful you are, you are nature wise a shit person
You have a brautiful youtube name. Hare Krishna. Do you know what krishna means in snaksrit? Dark colour. Hence even you are an idiot like the rest of them. Lord Krishna was also dark coloured, and you have succesfully proved yourself to be a fool.
@Akon Ali
Aww...So actually mughal were saviors ! Aren't they? That's why they kept feeling their harems with hindu women apart from the raped ones!
This theory is true it happened around 2000bce but that time our ancestors were not living in India and the first recorded history of people who invaded India and messopotamia n the people in contest were Medes in Rajasthan n Gujarat they are called mihir or mer
Can you prove it?
Very enlightening. Even my teacher tought me for Aryan invasion as true. But I argued with him.
Thank you Arth .
@kseykshoykshaksat - fck off joker.
You can go & fck yourself with the biblical AIT wet dreams.
But the fact of the matter is there wasn't any invasion into the subcontinent but it was migration OUTWARDS towards the West.
That completely explains how we gave the world Indo European languages and cultures.
Period.
ISHU SHARMA what happened then??
@@yashthakare2059 kseykshoykshaksat - Are you stupid? There is literally no evidence to support that there was a migration out of India towards that west. That is a stupid theory that people with inferiority complexes create in order to willful their deluded dreams about Indian civilization. Anyone who believes in OIT is either completely oblivious to what linguistics, archaeology and ancient genetics has shown us or a deluded nationalist with an inferiority complex, most often a combination of the two.
The Aryans emerged as an independent group on the Eurasian steppe in the form of the Sintashta culture beginning in 2200 BCE. Archeologists have discovered that the funerary rituals of the Sintashta culture match those found in sections of the Rigveda. The Aryans then migrated south and east to form the Andronovo culture. The spoke wheeled chariot is found here, which is also evidence for its Aryan nature. Many Iranian peoples have historical dominates the region, such as the Saka, Sarmatians, and Alans. Archeological findings of the Andronovo and textual evidence of the Vedas and Avesta also show how the Andronovo was Aryan. The Andronovo culture borrowed many traditions from the neighboring Bactria-Margiana Archeological Complex (BMAC), but did not mix with its people. We know that they did not mix with the Aryans, because modern day Indo-Aryans don’t have any BMAC DNA. The Aryans then branched out into the Indo-Aryans and Iranians. The majority of the Indo-Aryans went into the Indian subcontinent. There they first materialized in the form of the Gandhara grave culture circa 1700 BCE, centered on the Middle Swat River. The polished gray and black pottery, burial of bodies, metal pins used to fasten clothing, and terra-cotta statues of women are all similar to BMAC sites. The graves of the Gandhara grave culture particularly represent a combination of the Andronovo and BMAC traditions. Burial of horses is also something the Gandhara grave culture shares with the older Andronovo culture. In the Gandhara grave culture, there is also significant cultural continuity with previous Indian traditions. Genetics of the Gandhara grave culture shows that its inhabitants had a DNA component from Mehrgarh, an early IVC site. Then the Indo-Aryans spread south, absorbing the Ochre Colored Pottery Culture and the Cemetery H culture, both of which were remanants of the Indus Valley Civilization. Thus the early Vedic period began centered on the Sapta Sindhavah in northern Punjab. In the later Vedic period, the Indo-Aryans spread west, with Kuru and Panchala being the most powerful kingdoms.
@@yashthakare2059 you are right. Just like Buddhism, good cloths, cutleries, Aryans might have rather migrated outside India. It's a biblical theory to asusme that westerners came to India and developed us lol... Much like a fairy tale
@kseykshoykshaksat - lol, street shitter
I am from Karnataka and a proud kannadiga...and i absolutely reject AIT proposed by the british to divide us further on caste basis...i hope our DRAVIDIAN Tamil brothers understand the same...
Dravi-turd
No bro they will not accept coz they have brahmin and Aryan hatred in their blood..not all but those who do cheap politics
@Veer Savarkar, The Man Greater than Gandhi Dravida means three sea meet together that is southern part of India
@Veer Savarkar, The Man Greater than Gandhi no brother it is used by aadi shankara charya not by any communist or foreigners
@Veer Savarkar, The Man Greater than Gandhi and its Dravida not Dravidian
I am from bengol and 80% of the words we speak is from sanskrit. Most of Indian language is from sanskrit. We all are native Indian.
South Indian (Tamil) have a very distinct difference from Sanskrit , and archaeological records put it at much earlier time point , even before sanskrit ., current day vocabulary banks cant be taken as a reasoning to think that languages descend from another one cuz it has shared vocabulary , we use english words mixed up , in another 30 years the english words might even be 40% of what we speak , so would you say that Hindi / Tamil came from english ? .....
@@raknaskihtrak8266 no language can completely match ( 100%). Even 2 child from same father have different vocab but as generation assends differences are steep. We should celebrate differences/ diversity
It came from Prakrit, but close enough. Keep reading instead of assuming.
@Devvrat Mishra y not beyond 1400 yrs???
Pakistan has indus valley civilisation remains also the indus river from which the word india is derived from, so keep on dreaming
@@chee-max6460 Hello. "Pakistan" had no existence before the Partition of British India, and Islam had no existence beyond 1400 years. It is historically attested. The Indus Valley Civilisation was part of what can be termed as Ancient India. Kindly educate yourself on history before you speak on social platforms, my friend. :)
Russel Peters said... "Indians went everywhere"
I rest my case
He also said "somebody's gonna get hurt real bad"
Answer: Europeans!
There you go an Anglo Indian spoke the truth!
hmm
@@searchrankoptimize actually true anceint Aryan invaded over European civilization ( vinca, Danube) ,we have sankrit word for demon as danava which our war gods killed ,but literal meaning means people of danu river= Danube river
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also krishna mean black and radha was fair skined obviously she was not from iraq!!!
I am from Telangana and will not agree with Aryan invasion theory
Why is that?
@@joshfish2 cruz he saw the video and felt so
@@xackman2407 ik, such bullshit nationalistic and narrow minded thinking 😂
I bet if that's all they had to say to such a long video, they probably only watched a few minutes, If any part at all
@@joshfish2 do u know what is modern Hinduism. Hinduism is majorly an amalgam of vedic culture nd dravidian culture nd r two sides of Hinduism. For eg. In vedas d some important gods r *brahma,saraswati,surya,vrtraghna(indra),varuna,yama* nd share almost 90-95% same culture nd language with d Iranians. Vishnu nd Shiva had actually dravidian roots not vedic but later became very important part in mainstream Hinduism. Even yoga has dravidian roots actually. U can see evidences of proto-Shiva nd yoga in indus valley civilization. similarly iranian/zoroastrianism has angels/demi gods like *vahistha,mitra,anahita/haravati(saraswati in vedic culture),yama,varuna,veretraghna(vrtraghna or indra in vedic culture)* .
@@joshfish2 there was migration sure from near afganistan iran or iranian pleatue not eurasia to ganga valley but they didnt invaded like other religions but intermingled with d dravidian culture nd borrowed many things nd same vice versa 4 d dravidians. If they really destroyed their culture then dravidian culture would have extinct nd finally Shiva nd vishnu (also thirumalai in tamil)would never been d most important gods in d Hinduism. Hinduism is not a very simple nd monocultural religion like abrahamic religions but a combination of different cultures. For eg. In Tamil culture murugan or kartikey/kartikeyan(son of shiva) is d most important important God nd is only worshipped specially in Tamil culture nd not so important God in other states. Similarly in kerela ayyapa is also one of d most important God in only kerela not in other cultures. So Hinduism is a very complex thing nd varies from places 2 places a lot.
I really feel sorry that very few Indian listen such good clip. If it is about Sarukhan million people have heard it
Thank goodness not many listen to this !
This is very misleading.
@@randomperson6141 can you explain. what's wrong in this video?
also krishna mean black and radha was fair skined obviously she was not from iraq!!!
@Seeking Engineer 😂😂 Don’t expect …. He is too random that he keeps saying random things 😆😆😆
It's important to change the view of भारतीय. ARTH IS A SMALL STEP TOWARDS IT.....
I'm from odisha. And i don't blv in Aryan invasion theory. I don't blv in any divide and rule policies of westerns'.
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India has only one theory that is "Islamic Invasion Theory"
Actually divide and rule was not started by British but by Aryans by caste system or varna's
@@ajitray84 There's no proof of aryan invasion either through archeological sources or literary sources...only converted ricebags can praise about their master caucasoid colonizing christians
@@ajitray84 also, caste and varna are very different. I support varna, not caste.
So we indians are one.
The theory divided north and south.
We Indians are a mix of different cultures.
This isn’t a theory it’s a fact
Learn linguistics you will
Understand !
Indo European :
English : who is your son ?
Sanskrit: Kaha tava sūnu?
Lithuanian: Kas tavo sūnus?
Russian : kto tvoy syn ?
Bulgarian : koĭ e tvoyat sin?
Czech: kdo je tvůj syn ?
You can actually see how they all evolved !
Sanskrit and Lithuanian are closer to
“Proto indo European”
so they retained the root words
Kas , Kaha - what
Tavo , Tava - you
Sunus - son
While Russian , Bulgarian Started using “Tvoy”
Dravdian Branch :
Telugu - Mī koḍuku evaru ?
Kannada -Nim'ma maka yāru?
Malayalam - niṅṅaḷuṭe makan ārāṇ?
Tamil - Uṅkal (nin ) makaṉ yār?
Ni , un - you ( Telugu uses Mi - it had a sound shift )
Tamil uses both “Nin” and “Un “
Maka , makan - son ( Telugu uses Koduku, might be derived from proto Dravidian)
Evaru , Yar , Aar ( Aran ) - Tamil uses all these three words for “who “
That’s why Tamil is considered close to
Proto Dravidian.
These are entirely different language families.
They borrowed words from each other - but that’s called “loan words “
@@randomperson6141 why there should be a invasion for 2 different language families to exist.Even if aryan came to india why in today's places where aryans came from/iranians don't share same genetics with us.Also sanskrit have more older literatures than europen languages.from all of this ypu can conclude that what came from what.
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Aryans came from Iran ?
Nope, current day Iranians and Indo Aryans. Are collectively called Indo Iranians and they came from Eurasian steppes.
All these Indo Europeans share common ancestry - it’s called “steppe ancestry “
@@santoshpati709
European languages and Sanskrit all branched out from a common ancestor.
It’s a common misconception that European languages came from Sanskrit
Because
Sanskrit is a Satem language.
(Balto slavic is Satem)
But, Latin is centum language, in short you can’t derive European languages from Sanskrit.
But you can derive both Satem- centum languages from a reconstructed common ancestor.
A big thanks to everyone who has made this video, and accessing it, possible.
Ranganathan's questions were sensibly pointed.
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Im from Andhra Pradesh in, I reject Aryan Invasion theory
We were all together as Indian.. Our history books r manipulated like a crap to bullshit our mind..
@Arid tamilians are not epicentre but were major development point in past, the language n music is developed by Augustya Muni as per my information...
One who don't know their history will never create
@Arid even we kannadigas never
go fuck yourself then.
I’m from Karnataka and i was raised with the aryan invasion theory and now after extensive reading about the new findings in linguistics, archaeology, genetics, hydrology, archaeoastronomy, geology and crop patterns I can say with a great degree of confidence that the aryan invasion theory is bunk and the successor aryan migration theory is also bunk. That is not to say that there has been no migration into and out of India but the core ancestral population of India has developed and maintained a core base of gene pool, cultural base, linguistic base and scientific base. That the dharmic/Vedic culture and way of life is indigenous to India. That there no north south divide and that some of the most prominent establishmentarians of this dharmic/Vedic culture are from south India.
Hi Nikhil a Kannadiga here.I had heard de-bunking process first from our own kannadiga a banker Shrikant Talageriji he is expert in linguistic theory.Suggest links for knowing development of European languages by Sanskrit
@@bharathvyas997 i love s.talageri hi..he makes a compelling case.
I am from Tamil Nadu. I totally believe Aryans are extraneous people coming from Steppes region. I am intelligent . Therefore I am able to understand the study of Rakhigarhi Woman Geneological analysis.
Aayar means shepherd . Steppes people professed herding of cattle. Hence they were called Aarya by Tamils that became Ayyar or Arya. They were not Noble people. Lol . And one more thing. David Frawley is a fraud.
Sanskrit and Vedic were not the language of the natives of IVC or our ancestors. It is native tongue of only the few Steppes people. Yet this language is venerated for worship . This means Aryan invasion is true to this date.
Your extensive research is nothing but a result of RSS propaganda. Research Keezhadi. Tamil much older than your Sanskrit . There was no "Hinduism" for Tamils.
@@usanna4903 yea ur totally believable when you say you are intelligent.. The inferiority complex, the rage and hatred against your fellow countrymen of different regions, language, skin color and castes, the veneration of the white European man and the internalization of self hatred is very apparent.. Good news is your beliefs are your own prison and nobody else's. Enjoy. P.S..i have read the recent finds in keezhadi but I'd rather not waste my time on someone who is filled with hatred. Life is too short and precious.
I am a Keralite born n raised in Bangalore, completely reject the Aryan invasion theory..wish our schools n teachers taught us the facts 😢😢
The aryaan theory is not invasion but it was mixing. North Indians are mixed with iranian farmers and south indians are the true indian dravidians that where the original people that migrated from africa to india.
We should call it "Aaryan invasion myth" instead of aaryan invasion theory.
Full of imagination assumptions..!! 😂
Arya means noble man in sanskrit. We should call it Indo-European invasion myth.
Probably the most far from reality thing ever imagined
We should call it the Indo-European myth. Arya means noble in Samskrutha.
its real u hindutava.
@@felidaesaremoresuperiortha5855 no, it's myth u liberandu
one thing he said is true, Europeans look elsewhere for their identity.
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Because there culture is everywhere. People would still be passing information through stories until European brought written language.
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Spirit108 Why do European DNA resemble Indian DNA ? Out of India theory is as much plausible. It simply deflates a lot of ego of a lot of people around the world
Respect Dr Frawley..He's more knowledgeable & updated about India n our culture more than many of us
He doesn’t understand linguistics or genetics
Self claimed Historians like Thapar and Habib should be booted out from India. Our history needs to be rewritten.
Booting someone out because you simply blindly disagree with them? Pathetic
Agree
@@joshfish2 pathetic are the likes of you that hide behind the shroud of liberalism to attain a self-asserted moral high ground to hide your bloody incompetence. It isn't free spech and free thought that you pigs advocate it is a well programmed propaganda, so well thought and well executed in fact, that any attempt to attack and confront it can be branded as a war on free speech.
@@pranatithakur1182 you're not making any fucking sense, nor a point but just insulting people randomly. Stop acting like a nationalist freak and tell someone who cares
@@joshfish2 why do you care. Pointing out the truth doesn't make me a nationalist 'freak'. 😂 Get help.
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@@ManojKumar-kx2wd
Who are you....??????
What is your nationality......??????
@@ManojKumar-kx2wd
Bro.
Aryan invasion theory is fake.
It was made by europeans to distort hindu history.
@@ManojKumar-kx2wd
I am a hindu.
I am against 'caste reservation system'.
We hindus are hindus.
There should be no dalit, brahaman, rajput etc.....castes now.
BJP will surely think about removing this reservation.
@@ManojKumar-kx2wd
Yes I am...............
Uniform Civil Code.
Not a southindian. I am INDIAN FROM SOUTH. I reject this aryan invasion theory.
Then tell me why North are white and south are different .
Why do you reject it? Do you have a reason? Or do you reject it based on blind nationalism?
@@roadrunner8552 SANSKRIT* : _mitram yajai hotrabhay_-> *AVESTAN* : _mitrəm yazai zaothrabyo_ ; *SANSKRIT* : _suram dhamasu savistham_ -> *AVESTAN* : _surəm damohu səvistəm_ ; *SANSKRIT* : _yo vo Apo vasvis yajate asuranih asurasya vasisthabya hotrabhayah_ -> *AVESTAN* : _yo vo Apo vahvih yazaite ahuranih ahurahe vahisthabyo zaotrabyo_ . 😁😁 This is a trend where any word in sanskrit containing *s* , *h* becomes *h* , *z* . Sindhu-> *Hindu* ,Asura-> Ahura(, Sapta-> Hapta,Manas-> Manah(Mind) nd many more similarities. About 95-97%similarities shared with change of phonetics nd some words. *Both r sister languages* .😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 Even their main God *Ahura* (God) *Mazda* (wisdom,intelligence). Mazda word exactly cognates with d sanskrit word medha/madha( wisdom/ intelligence). Nd ahura is asura but meanings r opposite nd vice versa 4 deva. *Here is d prove that dravidian nd indo-aryan language r 2 different language family nd instead indo-aryan language has more 2 do with avestan(old Persian) language* .
@Rafi Boss Just the theory. I am an analyst I know one or two things on theories. Whatever u (or any researcher) speculate becomes theory and trust me theories are hardly considered any proof.
@Rafi Boss it will never be a law a proof is a truth, a fact. Not a law. Please don't take it personally I wasn't intended to target u personally, sometimes I just write it in a flow. So I might sound rude or harsh but it just isn't my intent. Still, I am sorry.
Arya an itself a sanskrit word. Yet, Germans considered themselves so called "aryans". Yes, arya means supreme and pure but not on human standards.
Iranians also called themselves Aryan but they did not speak Sanskrit.
@@chinmaybhogilal6459 True. In fact, "Arya" is supposedly an ancient name for Iran (long before it was called Persia)
@Real history is unpleasant! dream on, your history will always be know as the slave of russia
YES BRAHMIN STANDARDS
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I am from Telengana , the aryan & dravidyan created by forgeion rulers. Now some of political mentalities persons creating the issues of aryan & dravidyan theroy for vote bank .
Once upon a time this land belongs to tamils when sanskrit entered into india Tamil language split into telugu malayalam kannada tulu languages actually we are real indians, hail dravidanadu support from telangana state .
We need a 2 hour discussion with each of these panelists. It was a bad idea to have 4 eminent people squished into a 1 hour panel. Should be longer..
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I Don't know about this really.
But I definitely know that India is Indigenous to India.
South India and north India both are same
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Brother please never use the term South or North India we are Indians.
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I am from Kolkata, and I wholeheartedly reject AIT.
There have been so many 'pro AIT' videos on TH-cam by foreign 'experts' and misguided people who believe any association with westerners to be a good thing. I hope we can unite against this blatant attempt at cultural identity theft.
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Fantastic. Loved it. Koenaard Elst is fantastic as always.
@Moses Tanui lol @ monotheistic wannabes sucking pagan roots
From the schooling days, it has been taught about AIT and we believed it. Why school curriculum should include such non sense is a conspiracy of few vested interest. We have to tell our children about the truth and enlighten them with the heritage of this great nation.
this is the reason people dont believe in aryan invasion because we dont want to believe that sanskrit and culture has aryan contribution in it it hurts sentiments of india
The Aryan invasion hoaxers have never read Rig Veda, Mahabharata or any of the ancient literature.
Yes 😅
superbly said by anand sir “berrial site for AIT”
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Burial site of AIT... awesome😂😂😂😂😂
4000 yr old archaeological site - where "iranian" came from? Obviously 4000 yrs ago, the land currently called Iran was so called pagan land (diluted hinduism). Zorashtrian is also a type of pagan religion (diluted/distorted hindusim)
Northern Indians in the west have significant Iranian DNA including those in the Punjab
Just look at their facial features. Take Kareena Kapoor for example her long curved nose and jaw line is a dead giveaway.
the founder of Zoroastrian religion Zoroaster was descendent of Indian sage Atharvan who is himself is descendent of Indian sage Brighu, and this is mentioned in their holy book Zend Avesta itself XD so the founder of Iranian religion was a Hindu by all means
@@jabsdrahm.3232nope it is the other way, the prophet Zoster the founder Zoroastrian religion in persia was of Indian origin as per his own claim XD
@Arid read Zend Avesta yourself, cant spoon feed everything
The Europeans distorted a lot of things. Adoption of Christianity as a state religion from 4th century onward by the Roman Empire and extinguishment of local advanced knowledge systems such as that of the Greeks, plunged Europe and the Christian world into darkness which lasted till the 15th century CE. The Protestant movement led to the freeing of the European mind with subsequent awe inspiring advancements during the renaissance. Most ancient civilizations with a deep interest in planentary movements had known for millenia that the earth and all planets were round and that the Sun, not earth, was at the center of the solar system, it took a lot of convincing the Europeans to accept that the earth is round. I still remember in India, with a colonial system of education, we had to go through the futile exercise in the 60s or early 70s for high school students to "prove that the earth is round"!
We have bought into the Aryan Invasion Theory, hook, line and sinker! It will take a while to change this aberration. It should start with revising the curriculum at the school and university level and present the correct perspective. Most supporters of AIT, like Romila Thapar, agree that this theory is full of holes. Yet it continues to be peddled because of its political expediency
Like Hinduism destroyed livings of lower cast people from many centuries....
Naveen Kumar you should thank the euroTrahs for that idiotlogy
@@NaveenKumar-fs1yf Proof?
@@ankurgaikwad7252 read B R Ambadkar book Annihilation of Caste
@@NaveenKumar-fs1yf Chapter?
If one wants a very informed opinion on Aryan Invasion Theory, one can also, in addition to watching this video, read the following two books:
(1) "Who were the Shudras?" by Dr. B R Ambedkar.
(2) "The Sarasvati Civilization" by Major General G D Bakshi.
You would have concrete evidence to debunk this colonial era myth.
I had read both of them, both are incredible books
@Msvks The Sarasvati Civilization is a very recent book, and not outdated. Also, your conclusions about that book are unfounded.
@Msvks The point is that they rely on expert evidence. Period.
@Msvks Unfortunately, genetic evidence for the time being would have to be relegated to the background, for there is genetic evidence even against it. So long as geneticists do not arrive at a consensus, genetic evidence does not, scientific though it is, provide us with ample foundation.
@Msvks The same book I referred to: The Sarasvati Civilization.
Thank you all, thank you dr Frawley for ending comments!!
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We all indians came from indus Saraswati civilization.there was no aryan invasion theory..
Joke of the century
@@rajatsaxena1123 fir toh tu bhi bahar ka hi hua tera nam bhi arya language mein hai to kab ja rahe ho apne ghar
it was also a fake.
greeks acll indians are sindhis.
but they not crossed saraswati river to south.
so hindus across india
Just look at linguistics !
Indo European :
English : who is your son ?
Sanskrit: Kaha tava sūnu?
Lithuanian: Kas tavo sūnus?
Russian : kto tvoy syn ?
Bulgarian : koĭ e tvoyat sin?
Czech: kdo je tvůj syn ?
You can actually see how they all evolved !
Sanskrit and Lithuanian are closer to
“Proto indo European”
so they retained the root words
Kas , Kaha - what
Tavo , Tava - you
Sunus - son
While Russian , Bulgarian Started using “Tvoy”
Dravdian Branch :
Telugu - Mī koḍuku evaru ?
Kannada -Nim'ma maka yāru?
Malayalam - niṅṅaḷuṭe makan ārāṇ?
Tamil - Uṅkal (nin ) makaṉ yār?
Ni , un - you ( Telugu uses Mi - it had a sound shift )
Tamil uses both “Nin” and “Un “
Maka , makan - son ( Telugu uses Koduku, might be derived from proto Dravidian)
Evaru , Yar , Aar ( Aran ) - Tamil uses all these three words for “who “
That’s why Tamil is considered close to
Proto Dravidian.
These are entirely different language families.
They borrowed words from each other - but that’s called “loan words “
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Anil Suri can be a great ASMR artist, such crisp and soothing voice he has.
Sanjeev Sanyal's book on Sarswati Valley Civilization tells all. Great book.
What an exhilarating experience to hear such wonderful scholars. Great session.
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Invade, Conquer, Dominate, Enslave, Colonize, Appropriate and Erase
You are speaking the truth.
Its called social ingennering
Enlightening discussion.....glad i came across this video.....it was so engrossing that 55 minutes seemed mere 5 mins to me :)
Same with me too.
You said a very good line.
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I am from uttar prafesh and i didn't agree in aryan invasion theory and also didn't belive in aryan and dravidian hypothesis
It's been 7 decades of Freedom of the subcontinent and we already know of Indian inflluence on European supremacy (Vedic emigration and renaissance) and also on US supremacy(they literally dropped on the soil looking for India). What was suppressed for a thousand years of Abrahamic rule in India is finally being excavated to true glory. Abhi aage dekho kya kya hota hai.
Sankrit came from Europe you Hindutva Facist.
Thanks to Arth for this most timely discussion to put an end to AIT, which I have just learnt, So finally India and Sanskrit that has spread its tentacles anywhere and everywhere in the world., so happy to hear. All wonderful and knowledgeable panelists with great work behind them, and of course Anand conducting the course of the discussion.. very educative… sad, it cannot reach everyone in India
During 1856,Max Muller wrote Aryans come from Syberia along with Rugveda.In Rugveda elobarate agni(fire),elephant,river,sea,how can it be in Syberia?During 1916,Harappa ecxaveted,that shows there was no war between aryan and dravidian,Rama was Aryan,while dravida Ravana was brhaman!
@kseykshoykshaksat - shut the fuck...up...Ravana is a Great Tamil King...and he is not damn any Aryan..Rama is also an indian king
..but not an Aryan...
@@shalinikabilan7128 Ravana was not Tamil bro , I dosent want to insult Tamil culture .In UP Noida there is still the village of ravana .Even Ravana was not his original name ..
Please research over it .Aryan means supirior in some feild not any race ..
And Dravidian means a man of peninsula by adi Shankaracharya ..
@kseykshoykshaksat - So you are saying that in South India tgere is no bhramins
Ravana was also Aryan
@@shalinikabilan7128 Ravana was born in present day Noida. He is not even Tamil....
Thank you so much all of you for making such a beautiful discussion possible, i have discovered a new level of devotion and love for my gurus and ancestors. One of the most important video ever.
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If invaders(Aryans) were really the composers of Vedas, don't you think that they would have dedicated at least one vedic verse towards glorifying their invasion over India.
The reality is we don't have any such verse and definitely aryan invasion theory is purely mythical
They did.
I am an Indian and I don't believe in this Ait.
@@yashrajmukherjee8718 Ok.
@@KingKong0514 they never did
@@KingKong0514 Which Mandal of Rigveda?
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The Aryan theory is the inconvenient truth that we need to fully explore scientifically and come to terms with if we really are to understand and progress as a society. While it's certainly impossible to irrefutably ascertain, the linguistic differences we see between Northern vs Southern languages are beyond overwhelming and suggest that they do not share a common ancestor.
That being said, it really shouldn't matter whether it's true or not. The important thing is we respect each other and build a progressive nation.
Pls stop this, I am of north indian origin and born in chennai and lived in coastal andhra, I literally find most of northern and southern language words from sanskrit. I know telugu,hindi, english. I have been to TN also. These theories are to break india. The truth is that whole of india is a continuous civilization from 10000 years. The only difference is the saraswati river dried up and we find ruins there whereas kaveri ganga godavari and several others never dried so the civilization kept going on.
@@vipintotla7523, that is a baseless claim. Even English has many Sanskrit and French words, doesn't mean that they all share a common recent ancestor.
Kannada, Telugu, Tamil, and Malayalam have an entirely different grammar structure compared to the North Indian languages.
I appreciate that you know a South Indian language, but how many North Indians do you know who make the effort to learn a South Indian language when the move out of the Hindi belt? Fix that problem and you don't have to worry about "breaking India".
@@prithviprakash1110the thing is you shit be proud of your ancestors because our Einstein's where the four fathers of the Britishers🎉😂
This is a sensitive topic for many Indians as well since they have their identity attached to greatness of noble Vedic culture and Aryan ancestry.
A few questions that pop in mind:
* If India's political boundary today also included all the ancient Vedic cultures (Europe, Iran etc) and was called "Bharata", would one still be trying to prove "Out of India" theory?
* Why not have a "Out of Kishkinda" theory where forest dwellers of Kishikinda jungles moved northward and mixed with Indians living in the gangetic plain (sure they do have some common genes)? or an "Out of Mexico or Brazil" theory where European migration into Americas never happened but it was the reverse?
* How does one account for the fact that Europeans and most other Indo-European speakers in West Asia DO NOT HAVE any (that is, zero or virtually zero) South Asian IVC-related admixture in their DNA? (IVC = Indus Valley)? Does it not clearly show the direction of migration?
I think an Aryan "Migration" happened and not invasion - IVC was already on a decline when Aryans came to India. Sure there were some initial violent interactions between Aryans and early settlers people in IVC, but that was a norm between different tribes/races around the world at that time and shouldn't be judged by today's moral standards (Classic books such as Sapiens or Third Chimpanzee is a great read in this area). My admiration for "Maryada purushottam" Lord Rama or Vedas still stands tall despite Aryan migration.
An example of invasion is what Putin is doing in Ukraine today which is totally immoral.
I do understand there could be a political ramification of this where a certain section calls "descendants of these Aryan settlers" (read "upper castes") as "foreigners". Many fear this has the potential to divide India and I acknowledge that sentiment, however in today's connected globalized multicultural world, people of all cultures/castes/races are "melting", does it matter anymore?
If one reads books such as Sapiens and The Third Chimpanzee, we would understand how homo sapiens around the world are all connected, and have continuously migrated & come together to bring about big changes in how we live since we were hunter gatherers. No ethnic group around the world can claim an “original” homeland anymore, including the aborigines in Andaman or in Papua New Guinea. People need to be educated about this and the one-ness of entire humanity and not fall into trap of "one group is more exclusive/superior than other". Ironically, isn't this what "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam" is about which we Indians are so familiar with?
We shouldn't judge history by today's moral standards. History should be accepted as it is without any shame - be it good or bad. Glory of our ancient past doesn't become any less, and I am still proud of our Aryan forefathers.
In conclusion, I would like to say that choice of words do matter as it has the power to send subconscious messages when we hear them. The words "invasion / raiders / annihilators / barbarians" isn't the right one to use for reasons mentioned above - context and history should be taken into account as well. Historians have a moral responsibility to be sensitive to perceptions created by the words they use.
I am from Maharashtra and i eject this theory every morning.
lol
I am from India and I beat ppl like you for fun
@@anantambisht4895 ya right you have been in so many fights, we are so scared
Lmao bitchass
АRYAN INVASION IT`S MARVEL COMICS
Balgar Avar भारतीय जनसंख्या में R1A1 जीन बहुत छोटा है। अधिकांश लोगों के पास भारत में आर्यन आर 1 ए 1 जीन की तुलना में अधिक द्रविड़ जीन हैं। ये झूठ बोलकर यहां बैठे लोगों को धोखा दे रहे हैं। इन लोगों में से किसी ने भी वंशावली अध्ययन नहीं किया। वे नकली हैं। औसतन R1A1 जीन भारतीय जीनों का केवल 10% है जहां द्रविड़ियन जीन 40% के करीब हैं।
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This is the right time to write our history instead of following stories of mughals and Brits. The roots of our education system must get a whole makeover.
Even if Aryan came from outside, although I don't believe this, the ideas were born here in India and not outside, hence everything is Indian
Now why it concerns ppl.
1. West wants to tell Indian that all the Hinduism including even all great idea are not indigenous and hence nothing much unique about us, which is also reflected when they reduce contribution of ancient India and when they call our architectural Marvel such as Ellora caves and so many template as being gifted by ancient aliens.
2. South Indians who call themselves Dravidian also wanna prove and feel secure that they are the original indian, even though they also migrated just somewhere earlier in history.
3. North India, well they actually never cared about these theories.
4. What concerns me ,this is all being getting political and nothing else, any division of any sort has only helped either outside or politicians. Also is reduced that we were such amazing civilization as a whole, such amazing knowledge and architecture we have.
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Last line from Ranga uncle was epic!
Arth is my new favourite channel. And Dr Anand Ranganathan sir
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Aryan Invasion Theory is bogus. Everything in India is indigenous. This discussion throw absolute light on this aspect. Thank you gentlemen.
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i am from Karnataka and i do not believe in this aryan theory i am a true indian
Proud of you
Love you
Being a true Indian means ignoring some theories that to against your confirmation bias? What?
How about not believing in it due to evidence you know of, not simply for apparently being a 'TrUe InDiAn'
@@Zeus11Nova13 bhai bhai ❤
Why they can't understand this theory is wrong 😑.
In our Vedas sculpture there are many stories of Aryans.
Excellent, objective candid, light throwing, informative and obviously critical discussion indeed without prejudices. Thanks to all the dignitaries and experts who took part in this discussion on the Indian culture.
Please view my video published a few days back: th-cam.com/video/XWlXNw6_8kA/w-d-xo.html In this video I have proved that theory of Aryanism is a myth and hoax. So when aryanism gets busted Dravida word fades out. So I hope my video will enthuse you and resolve the racial issues of India. Main issue of my video program is to say that Ghaggar is not Saraswati but Ghaggar is actually Ganga river. And I have put forth several evidences from Vedas, itihasas, puranas to call ancient Sapta Sindh Valley region as Brahmavartam of Hindu lore. And ultimately River Sindh is proved by me as legendary saraswati river.
Good we must spread this video to all over India. It is true that we all Indians are having same DNA. So we are each others brothers from Kashmir to kanyakumari and Gujrath to Assam.
I am Andhra Pradesh n I fully debunk the idea of Aryan Theory...
You are a great arya too!
I'm Bihari , I would like to tell that we have Indian theory , where Dravian has great civilization as any theories formed from indian origin , I feel proud on this being a Santahn Dharma .
I am Indian from Bihar not a North Indian and this is very simple concept for me .
The Dravian theory from our southern part , was spreaded from North to South pole of across the world .
We should read about Maya Civizlation & Saint Augustine ( source name from Rishi Agastya - Tamil) located in Columbia . If we go more about the Dravian civilization along with kumari kundam , will get more idea about India . All kind of theroies from India , we should feel proud as I am Indian . Thats High TRUTH . but world made us confused and dvided into different phase . But for me its many colour of Sanath Dharma , which is being ptractics in India as way of life not as Religion . Sanathn Dhram is being practing since more than 2+ billion years . From India - Aryan & Dravian & many to World .
Satya Yuga (or Krita Yuga)
Treta Yuga
Dwapara Yuga
Kali Yuga
Very true my dear brother all the crap they are talking about the caste system and Hindus being barbaric semi barbaric , If our great minds like we have here as the panel can do some studies and explain all in details the Puranas its mind boggling how very long ago they can calculate micro seconds to trillions of years. All the Yugas like you have said. On top of that the shallow religions are teaching us the way heaven by the sword. Jai Sree Ram
@@sachiarumugam9018 Ji Thanks . I would like to add my view here that Only and Only Darvian based Indian can give full strength . Because the great Indian people from dravidian land has been practicing Santan dharma since 2 trillion yeras and still doing . We can't find out this kind of concept in North East West . For me its very simple India start from Dravidan land to North .
U said something that's none knows, world is about to be known this fact of yugas
The closing remark by Dr. Ranganathan was the highlight and the most apt thing that could conclude the session !
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I'm from odisha and I don't believe in Dravidian Aryan theory.
Currently I'm reading "BREAKING INDIA" Book by Rajiv malhotra.
Roman Invention of Jesus
Arab invention of Islam
@Real history is unpleasant! Its funny, because before the Romans persecuted Christians. Then the Romans became Christians. Then the Romans began persecuting the followers of the Roman religion.
Thanks for the video, excellent information.
Aryans, derived from the original Sanskrit word Arya, means cultivated educated person, according to Sri Aurobindo, used to have very high moral standard with great regard for truth, promise and hospitality. Their sages, or Rishis, after many years of meditations and learning, derived some great ideas or hymns(Riks) on God and universe.
Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present. Several haplo-groups were involved in this expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata (Sharma and his associates, 2009)
This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous.
Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present. Several haplo-groups were involved in this expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata (Sharma and his associates, 2009)
This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous.
It proves that:
1. The R1a haplogroup originated in India.
2. The Indo-Aryan people have lived in India for at least 15,450 years, which invalidates the theory that the Indo-Aryans invaded India 3,500 years ago.
3. The hundreds of millions of members (possibly over a billion) of the R1a family living across the world today - a very large fraction of humanity - are all descended from one single male ancestor who lived in India at least 15,450 years ago.
This discovery demonstrates the close genetic (and hence linguistic and cultural) affinity of Indians with the Russian and Polish people, the Vikings and Normans, and with the ancient Scythians and Tocharians, among many others (Sharma et al, 2009).
References:
Sharma S., 2009, The Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1* substantiates the autochthonous origin of Brahmins and the caste system. Journal of Human Genetics, 54, 47-55
Sarker, A., A., Deshpande , A., Mukherjee, M. K., Bera,, B., Das, N., Juyal, P., Morthekai, R. D. , Deshpande, V. S., Shinde, V., & Rao, L. S., 2016, Oxygen isotope in archaeological bioapatites from India: Implications to climate change and decline of Bronze Age Harappan civilization, Nature, Scientific Reports volume 6, Article number: 26555.
Arya means "artum yogyaha" , the one who can be approached for help guidance knowledge etc and relied upon, trusted upon, a noble person. It does not mean any race or brahmana. In Ramayana sita mata addresses Shri Rama as "arya" . Shri Rama was a kshatriya not brahmana, and was black in color. Shri Krishna says in Bhagawad Gita "anaarya-jushtam aswargyam akeertikaram arjuna" Arjuna is addressed as arya, he was kshattriya and dark colored. Arya is not a race. Nowhere it is mentioned as race in our million texts. It was made up by europeans
On the other hand, in shastras we find the term "pancha dravidas" and "pancha gaudas"- these are division of brahmanas from various regions. Dravida or dramila is always referring to place not a race - in all our texts
On seeing the nature of comments under this video (and other videos of this sort) an academic with real spirit can be sure of a horrible truth that even so called (pseudo) intellectuals and educated people in India can never have the real sense of history. For them it is nationalism and patriotism that determine the history, not scientific tempor or academic interest.
Terrific, really!
Alas, my country!!
Collect ur 2 crore prize👏🏼
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Thank you.
The comments under this video do not have anything to do with the evidence provided in the video.
This is definitely some history that we weren’t aware of.
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We Indians were the one who spread to Europe . In our Hindu history our War Gods were attacking and invading danaubas (demon)i.e., the people living on the river danauba which is the biggest river in Russia and also passes through hungary and Austria. So yeah we were the one who invaded Europeans.
Islam converted the indian by using Sword. Christians converted or trying to convert by using Arayan invasion theory.
India don't need to find their identity
Europe needs to find
I m from chattisgarh, i belong to an adivasi culture, i also don't believe in indo arya migration theory
Explain a reason to make it more authentic.
@@gshrdy5415 because our mother tongue is actually uraon, a really old dialect. Not much spoken around. It is born from sanskrit. Raja Ram's mother kaushalya was a chhattisgarh adivasi women. Lord ram & krishna were actually pitch black. Ram means black. Our sanatan dharma has been born from our adivasi culture
@@showmickchandramitra6966 , I don't doubt what you are saying, because Indian culture has such a vastness, you cannot just put it in a single book and say this is it.
@@gshrdy5415 the indo aryan migration theory was manufactured by the British, to justify their own British raj. Our hindu culture is may be almost 10000 years old. Ramayan & mahabharat happened in between them. Indus valley civilization is not the source of our indian civilization. In tamil nadu their also been a another civilization. Because tamil is on of the oldest living language.
@@gshrdy5415 most important tamil is actually a sanskrit word
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I'm proud of the great heritage India carries and all the wisdom and life it gave to all the other races across the world.
in vedas, the flora and fauna mentioned is all indian not at all european. So how could vedas have come from europe. Because of all these controversies and internal divides created by foreigners paid politicians in India, our precious time is wasted on constantly disproving all these accusations that weaken india, rather than progress in our high scholarly inheritance
Its 2021 and still people believe in Aryan Invasion Myth 😂
Great discussion .
I recently attended a workshop on Harrappan culture and the IVC.
Wondering where I could post a choice topic assignment about the origins of the IVC and am glad that my research has been on the right lines.
The genetic study conducted by about 92 pioneers graphically illustrates the population genetic map and pretty much nails the facts down.
However a part of this Rakhighari finds is something that I don’t really get especially the lack of horse skeletons.
The ANI and ASI apparently show a different genetic pathway and some of the information presented here will require me to get back to the studies. It’s heartening to see the great work that’s gone into this and I hope more finds do come up with genetic outcomes.
Great discussion
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It should have been for some more time...1 hr is very less...please also put a debate between pro and anti amt proponents
Romila Thapar vs Koenraad Elst! We already know who's going to lose :P
A wonderful session with impactful presentation of facts very well presented by participants. Kudos to them for disseminating facts so lucidly.
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Seriously Govt needs to revise the history books in central syllabus and also in state syllabus..Most of the knowledge in history are taught in school text books.. Our next generation should not be in dilemma of our identity.
Do people still believe in this bogus theory
Aryan invasion theory is wrong. Because south Indian kings Rastrakuta and chalukyas ruled almost all North india, always these kings conquered North india. And now a day chalukyas in North called as solanki rajputs and rasshtrakutas called as rathod, then what about the Aryan invasion theory it's fake.
It is not correct argument..aryan invention is considered as 1500 bc..where as rastrakuta kings rule 7-8 century
Roshan Satinge You’re comparing two different time periods omg
You should do some research and them argue about AIT
U should do some research..I am not saying AIT is wrong/ri8. Just saying that your argument. Is wrong with rashtrakuta & chalulyas. As they rule India after BC .whereas AIT is before BC time..
Then you will accept the Hunas also didn't come to India
@@ghanvedsingh8946 yes you are right hunas ruled india.
does anyone know any good books on this topic that were published recently( last 5 years)?
Aryan Invasion Koenraad Elst
Parpola, Asko (2015), The Roots of Hinduism. The Early Aryans and the Indus Civilization, Oxford University Press
Tony Joseph (2018), Early Indians: The Story of Our Ancestors and Where We Came From, Tony Joseph, Juggernaut
I support Aryan Invasion Theory, I'm from Maharashtra, and I don't think our past should dictate how we are supposed to live.
Muslim invasions was infact, oppressive, but we should treat Muslims with dignity too, as if our own.
There are two types of texts that are implicit (primary) and explicit (secondary). People (researchers) interpret implicit texts on what they think. Vedas and various books in Hindu mythology are implicit texts which were written in sanskrit, many scholars and writers over the time interpret their meanings on their POV rather what is written (fair enough we in maths do trial and error a lot) and that's okay. We do give freedom of speech and expression but the thing is some researchers and scholars rather than studying texts in sanskrit (it is difficult to understand) look up to those books written based on original texts.
The problem at least in India was (not any more) on how we approached R&D on any topic.
Let us take an example of caste system. Yes, it was mentioned in manusmriti but for god's sake at least read the original version and interpret under the guidance of a sanskrit teacher. It basically wasn't even mentioned that caste is based on birth. Do u know that caste system was once considered for whole human body?Like Brain as Brahmin, Hands as a kshatriy, Stomach for vaishy and Feet for shudra. It wasn't even refered for different individuals? No, I am not even Brahmin. I don't even know my caste. I don't even believe in caste system.
Exactly we need to read the texts with the people who can help us understand it in its entirety.
If you make it a taboo, it just proves that your scared of it.
Kanikaji kaash log aapki tarah soche jo log caste ki rajniti karte hain woh hi caste ka removal nahi chahte. They want benefits from ot but want to eradicate the caste system. Then who could caste eradication is possible. We all are indians and all caste are same.
@hellmir annon Can you quote me the verse and chapter of Manusmriti that says caste/jaati is birth-based?
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Aryan migration is well proved by genetics , linguistics and Archeology
People here don't seem to want to hear that lol
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Alas some people don’t wanna hear the truth !
@Khushal Singh
Oldest R1a1 sample was found in India ?
Lol
You are taking about a study which collected DNA from living people and studied it using older Methods which studied only parts of a DNA ( 2009 study )
THE OLDEST SAMPLE :
Mathieson et al. (2015) found the paternal R1a-Z93- the earliest sample of this clade ever found at Alexandria, Ukraine ca. 4000 BCE, Sredny Stog culture.
Idk that's just mere assumptions on the basis of few dna samples (which doesnt indicate any european origins and dna changes are observed due to climatic factors ) few similarities between sanskrit which may occured due to trade or proximity to land there's no solid evidence
The Rakhigarhi samples contain no steppe DNA because they are older than the steppe migration. But present day Indians contain steppe DNA. So the steppe migration must have happened at a later date. But so far we don't know if the migration was a sudden event or if it took place over several centuries. We need more data.
Bro there is difference between invasion and migration 😊
IM JUST BLESSED TO BE BORN HERE IN BHARAT
The discussion is quite interesting and engaging but more than clearing the uncertainties it adds more questions. If we agree to the idea that there was no aryan invasion or any other outside community moving into india, then it will raise some fundamental questions about our culture and languages. What are accepted beyond dispute are
1. Our ignorance about the language used by Indus valley people. Clearly the symbols used by them do not have semblance to Sanskrit script.
2. The panel thinks that there is continuity of the civilization to the present. The question is if so, there should be some information about their language and the pictographic script.
3. Horses are not indigenous to India and they came to us from central asia or from other places. The Indus people must have brought them or outsiders must have brought them.
4. The population genetics shows gene mixing without culture mixing.
These are some of the questions difficult to explain. The biggest question of all, the continuity of indus civilization and the people still existing! If they are them and if they are the indigenous people responsible for hinduism as we know today then they can not speak Sanskrit?
Thank you for discussion . Great knowledge and wisdom of the imminent dignitaries. Especially Shree David Frowley and Shree Koenard Ernst.
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Loved it sir.
We are all Indians. There was no Aryan invasion, it was a theory made by The British to divide India and they succeed.