State of the Art in the “Aryan” Debate | Dr. Koenraad Elst |
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2024
- This talk will cover all aspects of the 'Out of India Theory'.
About the speaker:
Dr. Koenraad Elst is a Belgian Indologist with a Masters in Indology, Sinology and Philosophy followed by original fieldwork in BHU and Doctorate on Hindu nationalism. One of the few Westerners to actively defend Hinduism, he is known for his blunt and objective views.
Topics covered:
0:00 Introduction to the Topic by Dr Koenraad Elst
1:30 The term 'Out of India' was coined by Edwin Bryant in 1997
5:44 Out of India Theory genesis
9:30 Peri-Caucasian Homelands
15:00 Out of India Theory's defence
20:25 Nails in OIT's coffin in mid 19th CE
31:30 The 'Black Tribe'
36:40 Politicized 'Aryan Invasion Theory': Europe
42:15 Hitler & the Aryan Invasion Theory
43:40 Vedic Chronology
53:45 Out of India Theory revived in 1982
1:03:30 The real Out of India Theory 2.0 - Shrikant Talageri
1:11:30 The real debate in 2000 CE
1:14:00 The AIT supporters want 'No more debate'
1:17:17 Hindu mistakes in the OIT
1:25:05 Pressure against the OIT
1:28:55 Why this veto on OIT?
1:36:00 Really no Racism anymore?
1:39:29 Politicized Aryan Invasion/Migration Theory in India
1:48:17 The Secondary Homeland debate
1:55:40 A new wind - Genetics
1:57:25 Any symmetry between the camps of OIT & AIT?
2:01:20 What to do now?
Q&A
2:04:05 Updates on the Sinauli Chariots?
2:17:26 Role of missionaries in the spread of AIT?
2:21:07 Movement of cattle westwards?
2:26:08 Do Genes don't speak?
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I consider Dr Elst as the most important living scholar.
None of Sanskrit stories speak of them migrating to India from somewhere else.
Have you noticed any BLATANTLY obvious differences between the lighter-skinned Bharatiyans of north-west Bharata and the very dark-skinned Tamils?
If that is NOT due to the migration of Aryans into north-west Bharata, then what is the explanation?
@@TheVeganVicar If you are not a scientist, please shut up!! 😅😂
@@TheVeganVicar lol its due to sun rays, south is near to tropic of cancer, TOC line its EXACTLY DIVEDES North and south India, Below TOC line sunlight is more than above.
my skin gets black when i live in Karnataka ( my hometown) but when i stay inside home for long period of time my color become like a white person.
Pigmentation in body quickly changes for many people, i had seen many Pich black family keeping their grownup girls mostly inside house so that their skin don't become black. ( Family full black but kids are white, just because they avoided sun from the START OF THERE BIRTH)
@@harshnaik6989this actually happened to me living in two different places in India, first in Uttarakhand and then moving to M.P... My skin pigmentation changed...
@@TheVeganVicar Genetics has a whole different idea. The core R Haplogroup is common throughout India, north or south. Linguistics cannot be the 'Only' evidence. The proponents of Aryan Migration from North West always reject the Genetics. Why?
Dr. Koenraad Elst is a Rishi of present-day India. His services to Sanatan Hindu Dharma are phenomenal. His books are a great treasure of Indian knowledge system.
Eagerly waiting
Dr Koenraad elst is pro hindu true indologist. That's why BJP didn't give him "indologist of year" Medal. While Mr Rajeev Malhotra got same. Rajeev Malhotra fits into BJP pro minority propaganda machinery. Rajeev Malhotra always say/write books claiming anti hindu/anti india/anti democratic institutions (within India and outside india)are funded by Indian government themselves and by super rich indians(pro bjp) .
The Bharatiya government is a violent, CRIMINAL organization.
Very very interesting. Thank you 🙏🏼
Dr Elst is amazing
Love Dr Koenraad's curiosity driven open minded honesty - and the attendant moral fibre to show truth to power - whoever that powerful may be. This has become a rare breed in the West where academics travel in herds that are money and politics driven.
Always loved to watch and hear the scholarly presentation by Dr. Elst. Both Elst and Srikant Alagiri are the best for sure to support OIT. 👏👏👍👌🙏
An observation..Ashwamedha yagya is mentioned in the Ramayan..Luv Kush captured the horse..
Simply amazing.
Excellent analysis
Very interesting to hear Dr Elst talk about Yajnas...and our Gods will help us..
50:52 Dear Sir, this is an excellent and balanced survey of the state of Rigvedic chronology.
However I must say Dhruva as a star is not found in Rigveda and early Brahmanas. In older text dhruva means stationary or something/someone is forever. For example Prithvi is Dhruva (stationary) Or Vishnu is Dhruva (forever).
Dhruva as a star is something we see in Grihyasutras where husband is to show Dhruva and then Arundhati to his newlywed wife.
The earliest mention of polestar in modern western world was by Shakespeare about 500 years before 2100 when it will be closest to celestial pole. Thus first Gruhyasutra can be dated +/- 500 years from 2830 BCE.
Considering Shatapatha Brahmana doesn’t mention Dhruva as star but can be dated to 2900 BCE because Krittika rose in dead east throughout the year, extant Gruhyasutras should be dated after 2900 BCE.
In summary- there is no Dhruva Star in Rigveda. If I missed it please specify a hymn and verse where it can be found in any of mantra portion of all Vedas.
Rigveda does mention Dhruva star. You have misunderstood.
Here are a few examples of verses from the Rigveda that mention the Dhruva star:
Rigveda 1.24.9: "Let us go with praise to the palace of Dhruva, where the Seven Rishis go, where the shining ones go."
Rigveda 1.164.3: "The star which shines in the front of the heavens, that which is radiant and has many rays, the Pole Star around which all other stars revolve, to that we offer our oblations."
Rigveda 5.40.5: "May we be guided by the Pole Star, the ruler of the sky, the immortal, the pure and the great, who shines in the highest heaven."
Arundhati- Vasishta pair is the newlyweds dharshana
Not Dhruva
I raher like the expression "crusade against Christianity"! Toward the beginning.
🙏🙏🙏
King Parikshit gave four places to kaliyug to live. After some time kaliyug got exhausted and came to king asking for more places, king thought kaliyug demands would be unending, so king had to gave him gold(wealth) to live on. Gold(wealth) is always required for kaliyug to continue its living in above mentioned four places. What a enlightening story
IVC relocated in 1900bc. The Aryan culture appears in 100AD.reading 'Caste no bar '.
Read Likomanya Tilok THE ARCTIC ORIGINS OF THE VEDA. He makes a brilliant case for migration from the polar region which in former times matches the environmental conditions mentioned in the Vedas.
Edgar Caycee said Ram came from the North 20,000 years ago.
Elst talks round about Vedic Brahmins we’re fish eating living around saraswati river and migrated to bengal and west coast after saraswati dried up the question is related issue of harappan civilization and Vedic civilization that needs to be resolved if rig Veda was composed around 3000 bc and harappan civilization was peak at same time
Bhramin is not race, shatriya also wrote ours mantras
Learn
ALGORITHM
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Pl Google 'caste no bar' by anupriya and vageesh narasimhan.
Studies show that the IVC migrated/relocated, east and south of India.
Endogamy enforced on the ANI population in 100AD ind😂icates Aryan arrival an presence. The ANI was the prevailing freely and extensively mixed native population since 1500bc until 100AD and beyond
Some things are obvious. Why do Indians call use the word Adivasi which means first or original inhabitants. If they were there first that means the northern Indians came from outside India. Aryas and Dasyus most probably refers to the battles between the Invading Aryans or Vedic culture and the older Tamil based culture that one time extended further north. Thus the smoldering resentment of the Tamils towards the Sanskrit speaking Brahmin culture.
All this much older than proposed.
The Vedas were chanted orally and written down much later.
why people are not talking about aryan migration theory and only about invasion?
@Papochka where in ur bbible says that eeuropean r aaryans??? ... u guys should folllow ur adam and how his children bang each other....
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 , have you noticed any BLATANTLY obvious differences between the lighter-skinned Bharatiyans of north-west Bharata and the very dark-skinned Tamils?
If that is NOT due to the migration of Aryans into north-west Bharata, then what is the explanation?
@@TheVeganVicar lol its due to sun rays, south is near to tropic of cancer, TOC line its EXACTLY DIVEDES North and south India, Below TOC line sunlight is more than above.
my skin gets black when i live in Karnataka ( my hometown) but when i stay inside home for long period of time my color become like a white person.
Pigmentation in body quickly changes for many people, i had seen many Pich black family keeping their grownup girls mostly inside house so that their skin don't become black. ( Family full black but kids are white, just because they avoided sun from the START OF THERE BIRTH)
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216😂 well said
@@harshnaik6989 Then by your logic there should be not Fair skinned people in Karnataka and Tamil Nadu, but there are many with Fair skin why? and by your logic if a white skinned western stays in Bangalore he will become dark? aye
david reich not invited?
He doesn't explain it in a good way this is very boring to listen to very hard to follow
Hope someone can present the same in fo in a more interesting manner
Dr Koenraad elst, if you would have anti hindu indologist, you would have been education minister today.
He lost it towards the end.... and I paraphrase;
"Invaders gave locals their language, and picked up their vedas" ??!
But, Sanskrit is Deva-Bhasha.
So some invading alien tribe speaks Deva-Bhasha, but has no knowledge of Vedas ??
@Jaydeepsinh Rathod , have you noticed any BLATANTLY obvious differences between the lighter-skinned Bharatiyans of north-west Bharata and the very dark-skinned Tamils?
If that is NOT due to the migration of Aryans into north-west Bharata, then what is the explanation?
@@TheVeganVicar Allow me to intercept,
Are you suggesting this 'migration of Aryas(technical failure there, vis-avis, terminology Arya), formed/transformed entire Bharatiyas ?
Facial feature of most...........Most Europeans are far from 'sharp'.
How do you explain that ?
i.e.: these 'black' Tamils have far better/well defined features that most whites !
Vedic culture formed in Bharat, by a few " we need food" aliens ?
C'mon, gimme a break !
@@TheVeganVicar lol its due to sun rays, south is near to tropic of cancer, TOC line its EXACTLY DIVEDES North and south India, Below TOC line sunlight is more than above.
my skin gets black when i live in Karnataka ( my hometown) but when i stay inside home for long period of time my color become like a white person.
Pigmentation in body quickly changes for many people, i had seen many Pich black family keeping their grownup girls mostly inside house so that their skin don't become black. ( Family full black but kids are white, just because they avoided sun from the START OF THERE BIRTH)
I wish he would make it clear at the outset what his main argument is. This talk is rather meandering
He should stay away from the concept of the Yugas. He knows nothing about them
koen kom dit eens hier vertellen geen kat geloofd je en allicht krijg je in Vlaanderen een cordon sanitaire rond je... ik ben geboren in india ik geloof je
All hindu gods are nothing but aryan people helping aryan culture to grow (which I respect), and helping non aryan destruction. People glorified in hinduism are nothing but people who helped aryans in their quest.
ok mulla
So black does not mean black and black people become people living near black River......yeah sure
Have you noticed any BLATANTLY obvious differences between the lighter-skinned Bharatiyans of north-west Bharata and the very dark-skinned Tamils?
If that is NOT due to the migration of Aryans into north-west Bharata, then what is the explanation?
@@TheVeganVicar lol its due to sun rays, south is near to tropic of cancer, TOC line its EXACTLY DIVEDES North and south India, Below TOC line sunlight is more than above.
my skin gets black when i live in Karnataka ( my hometown) but when i stay inside home for long period of time my color become like a white person.
Pigmentation in body quickly changes for many people, i had seen many Pich black family keeping their grownup girls mostly inside house so that their skin don't become black. ( Family full black but kids are white, just because they avoided sun from the START OF THERE BIRTH)
APPLY LOGIC AND USE BRAINS, are you kid or what ?
God bless, Dr. Elst, a true scholar and a gentleman. Unlike his detractors who shout Hindutva, he talks facts and logic.
He fails to seriously address the recent DNA advances that demolished his earlier paper on this theory
Clown. Elst is a clown, and it says much about any forum that would host him
Alright. Let me address your concerns on the ancient DNA research. What is it that you want to know ?
@@zzzzz653
I didn't ask a question, nor do I have much confusion about the recent DNA research. A large migration of steppe people into India in the second millennium b.c. was almost a certainty before Reich's team went to work. Now it's beyond any doubt
The only people in these discussions who are unaware of that fact are Hindus, who'd prefer not to look at what they don't want to see
@@Crumbsyums assuming there was a large migration of steppe people into India (by no means certain since we still don’t have Bronze Age aDNA from India proper, except a solitary low coverage Rakhigarhi female), how does that prove Aryan migration ? You have any proof that people on the steppe were speaking Indo-European in the 3rd or 2nd millennium BCE ? Any hard solid proofs ? And why is there no archaeological trail from steppe to India ?
@@zzzzz653
This is like taking to Christian fundamentalists who want to think the earth is flat.
The debate is only continuing among Hindus who'd prefer to believe in their fairy tales.
And the DNA of those steppe migrants are highly overrepresented among the upper castes
What's at work here is something called cognitive bias; believing what confirms our preexisting ideas without much scepticism, and discarding that which goes against our preexisting beliefs without much consideration.
These panel discussions are so absurd. The most frustrating thing about them, is that the evidence for an Indo European migration or invasion is never stated completely or accurately.
Notice how debates never happen. Opposing points of view aren't welcome, because those arguing for an out of India theory would look ridiculous
@@zzzzz653 Yes vain assumptions hein.
Assumptions ka kiya.