Avery, man let me tell you. Since I started playing last year, and looking at many videos and everyone in my ear trying to tell me how to throw, within the last month when I saw this video, it changed my game big time. My distance increased so much and really lower my score. Then I watched the others in the series, putting and dealing with pressure and they all have helped my game. I am a black guy and I don't see many of us playing at this time :-) , but I took only one throw for me to fall in love with this game. I hope more do start to play because it is a great game. Again, great videos from you and Jussi Meresmaa.You have a fan here dude!
Our target group is players with 0-3 years of play. Content may be thin, if you expected to hear / see something for pro Disc Golfers. Our mission is to spread the information of Disc Golf and that has to start with the basics. Some of these tips and techniques are deep in the game for most of the players out there. And how you pivot, depends how much power you want to put on your throw. Finesse throws should be pivoted on ball.
I started learning disc golf 8-9 months ago and I have learned how to throw a good back hand, but when I first started there wasn't a video this detailed. All you new people will learn the most from this video because he talks about important things like grip, and timing. Watch the video, learn the backhand and then come back and thank this guy!
After years, this is, hands down, the best instructional video I've seen. Gives beginners the mechanics and control! Excellent teacher and superb camera work!
I really appreciate someone putting out a high quality product. The camera and editing work done on this video is excellent. I view a lot of DG videos. This is among the superior quality works. Love the high speed shots showing the flight path. so many times videos loose the disc.
So far the series of videos has helped a lot. I've been playing for about 8 years now, and I have been a forehand player from day 1. I forehand right and putt/midrange with my left, therefore both having same flight patterns and thats why I never really learned to throw backhand for drives. But after watching this video, I am going to at least go out and attempt what was mentioned in this video. Putting video was also helpful. Sometimes it's good to just go over the fundamentals.
I think these videos hit the sweet spot! Not too long, not too much word salad. They wisely focus on the key components of the shot and give you some useful phrases to take on the course with you. That is not in and of itself unique, but this series adds great video production and camera work. If you are already a pro, you may not get all the detail you want, but what do you really think you are going to get from an 8 minute video?
This is great material, I don't know why so many people are being overly critical. This could have saved me a lot of wasted time and energy when I started playing disc golf. What a great resource for future generations of disc golfers. Thank you discmania for your hard work!!
Just wanted to say thank you for the video! I have been playing disc golf recreationally for years, but have had no actual technical instruction. I'd hit a plateau in my game- but after watching this I had some major breakthroughs with my backhand. This video was perfect for what I needed to learn- it was clear, simple, well shot, and showed me the basics without overwhelming me with too much at once. Thank you, I look forward to truly representing the ladies with my newfound technique :)
Heel pivot is crucial. Just like the muscle groups in your arms and shoulders, the heel pivot utilizes an entirely different group than the ball pivot. You can feel it just standing up. Rock back and forth from heel to ball.
I'm readin' some hate in the top comments... I've been throwing for about a year now and this is a great video for me. Awesome form to emulate, and in my opinion, a lot of "in depth" that I can use.
I really enjoyed the video, as a player still in the early stages of learning, this helps out greatly! I enjoyed the quality of the video, sound and how they slow down the video cleanly and different angles. Discmania keep up the videos rookies need all the help!
Excellent -- I've been playing for 5 years and this is a nice refresher. I know the big D video is coming as well. For the next round -- perhaps addressing some common pitfalls and misconceptions -- make it a progression. This is easily the best backhand instruction I've seen so far. There's some good videos out there, too.
I dont know what djfinesse1 is talking about, but I LEARNED proper disc golf throwing techniques from these videos and began playing just this year in March. I played my first tournament this summer and got 3rd in intermediate which most of the guys have been playing for 3 yr + . I can only thank discmania and avery jenkins n crew for letting us watch these FOR FREE!
Great video! I've been playing for about 8-9 years now and love the sport. My skill level varies a lot depending on the day. Most days I can be competitive at the advanced level. Some days I can beat pro's and some days I would be lucky to place in the amateur bracket. These are great tips and have already made me more consistent in my game. Thanks
Great videos Avery! I have watched them multiple times and each time I get something new out of it to help my throws. No complaints here. Maybe an Anheiser shot video?
I have not tried the heal pivot yet. In this video early while demostrating the 4 step drive he clearly piviots on the ball of his foot yet preached pivitong on the heal later. However I do love his videos I find them informative amd professional. I am goping to try this heal technique later today. Thanks for posting...
3 years after starting to play I figured out one of my main problems as a RHBH. Before I made the change I'd average around 285 ft. Every once in awhile I'd throw 320+ but it was rare if I did and if I threw it where I wanted to. I first saw the inspiration on Will Schustericks video and had to come back to this one to make sure. I always would have my disc trail my hand on the pull through. My hand would always lead. The change was to have my hand on the outside of the disc. The disc being sandwiched between my gripping hand and my body. Right off the bat I'm averaging 50 feet more, consistently. Since I'm not forcing the throw like I was before I have a lot more control because I'm getting more torque, more spin and more snap. I just need to work on my timing for when I do throw now and I time it I throw 350+. It is amazing how a little, tiny change can have such an impact.
Hey, I see what you mean. So you pull the disc from the rim instead of dragging it through your body. Pulling = more power! Forcing my hand to drag the disc puts more pressure on the wrist flick, but pulling from the rim allows the arm to add power correctly
THe best piece of advice I learned in this video. The last step of the x-step should land at 90 degrees. Seems like a small pointer, but it has enabled me to use more force from my hips and legs. I've generated around 30-50 feet in my throws from this one tip.
I switch about a month ago using what I saw in this video and have seen some great improvement. Before I used a 4 x step drive and averaged ~65 yds. Now, I using just a one step drive, using roughly 70% of the effort as before, and averaging ~85 yds. Still getting used to the form and timing. Every once in awhile I'll get that oh so sweet throw that will go 110 yds in a straight line while not going over 6 feet high. Can't wait to incorporate a 4 step again when I'm more consistent. Thanks
these deep in the game series are the best disc golf instructional videos on the net. It would be great to have some more. I have watched all of them several times.
Excellent video, very professionnaly done, with a lot of stuff that can be found elsewhere, it's true, but also genuine tips from Avery himself! The subtitling in particular makes this precious for all DG players who do not master English (those from the outside world). Keep up the good work (and issuing good plastic!) and don't bother too much about picky whiners. There is a lot of advanced stuff availabe out there for English-speaking guys, all they have to do is learn how to read.
His last pro tip is to rotate on the heel of your front foot during the follow through, but for all his demo drives before that he rotates on the ball of his foot.
I feel he's doing it because he's throwing down a fairway and doesn't need maximum distance. Some players vary from heel to "toes" depending on distance needed.
Some of the issues you're confused about were addressed: On wrist snap: Avery mentioned the Shoulder and upper arm being primary muscles used and the wrist being secondary. On avoiding rounding: Avery mentioned trying to pull your arm through on a straight line, and to try to pull the disc over your lead leg on the plant. Try the lead leg visualization! Also, I think many would disagree with your comments about keeping head down equating to distance...
djfinesse1: Sorry that you are disappointed. We admit that the name Deep in the Game as a name promises a lot. Our goal with this project was to offer deeper insight to people who has found the sport and they do not know much about techniques. Our target group for these videos are players with 0-3 years experience. That´s the mass off players. For more advanced players, we have episodes Mental Game and Monster Distance. These are areas that are not reviewed too often.
Thanks for the video. I have a decent forehand (still could use work), but my backhand isn't too great. It would usually end up going too high, and then banking hard. I'm hoping this will help me the next time I play.
You get more power from heel pivots but I'm not entirely sure you get the most accuracy from it. In this video I wouldn't really say he was putting much power behind his shot, it was much more an upper body shot than a full body shot. You can tweak reach back, arm speed, grip, and footwork all to increase or decrease both power and accuracy.
From my experience, you likely just worked a muscle group that's underused. When I first started I thought I jacked my elbow too, but after a few days I noticed it was actually my tricep muscles being sore and the pain went up my arm. Give yourself plenty of time to rest until it stops hurting, then play again, but ease into it. Don't try throwing 350+ ft drives your first time out; start small. You may also want to do exercises that work your tricep to strengthen it.
So, at around the 2:00 mark and the 3:35 mark, you show a lot of throws where you are clearly pivoting on the balls of your foot. Some of the other throws in the video, you heel pivot, and at the end you mention heel pivot helping power and accuracy. I've noticed pros teach heel pivot, but then toe/ball pivot when on the course. When do you use which and why?
A question about release. Do I open my whole hand or just my thumb and let the disc come off of my fingers? The reason I ask is because Avery mentioned something about holding on to the disc too long, grip lock or something. I do something like that occasionally and to be honest they're my longest throws. Sure they're off course but they go hella farther than my average throws.
Hey Avery, I believe I am an intermediate disc golfer and throw just over 300'. I recently got two muscle sprain on my lower neck while throwing power shots. Trying to understand if those sprain were caused due to follow through or no warm up problem. Please help me to understand the ways to reduce injuries so that I enjoy disc golf through out my life.
How about what the non-throwing arm should be doing, back angle, etc. There are plenty of beginner resources out there, I was really hoping this series was going to be "deep".
Somewhere I got the idea that both feet should be placed perpendicular to each other and a line drawn through them both should point directly at your path of flight. As I have watched the pros and videos like this I am seeing this is not what anyone does. Also in my own game as I can throw harder I am finding I tend to release what would be late according to what I originally thought. SO, what about the feet? I have not seen anyone address this. THOUGHTS?
Anyone used the 'mvp' brand disc much? Our local shop JUST started carrying em.I use mostly innova & discraft-am looking for something similar to the Discraft-'stalker esp ' & Innova's 'ape' & 'blizzard in the mvp brand just as i noticed i liked the feel of their edges.
Take it 1 step at a time. For long distance drives the x step is a necessity but not until you feel comfortable with it. Do the towel drill. It definitely helps! Check out drills from Danny Lindahl, Loopghost and Dan Beto (youtube). All very informative
I know this question is off topic, but I haven't really played since I was 14, and now I'm 18 and have gotten much stronger, and I went and played a few weeks ago I went to a course and I kept throwing really far (375+ ft average) but it was about 150 ft from the basket because I'm rusty. I have 4 innova Beast's and other discs the are stable and fly pretty straight, so should I throw more overstable discs and do you know any decent ones because I will be going to a tournament sunday?
cool, well i will definately look forward to those, monster distance should be interesting, since it really all comes from more mechanical correctness than raw power and strength.
How far do you consistently throw off the tee? I've been playing 10+ years and until 1 week ago have always "armed" my discs maxing out at about 150 - 175ft. I started getting more interested in proper form and increasing my drive distance but even trying all of the tips I've seen on youtube and using the x step I still can't break that 175ft mark. For the life of me I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
Ive started off with stable mid ranges and putters. Some people say to throw them at least 200ft before moving up to a slower driver. My discs will make it to 200 from time to time. But the dont tent to go to straight. I feel like Ive tried so many techniques but same results. Ive tried slowing my arm down but that seems to make it worse.My elbow feels like its going to blow after I throw for a while. This is for forehand cuz that come more naturally. My backhand is so much worse. Need help PLZ
I really don't know about the rotating on the heel tip. I've never been able to do it without yanking the disc to the right. I get enough power on the toe anyway.
keeping the head down doest matter, but keeping it still in whatever position you happen to have it helps, and also letting your left shoulder (assuming RHBH) push your head through your shot on follow through, the equivilent of keeping head down in golf.
its actually kind of decieving, u can see it in a close up of his feet at round 4:15, he is shifting his weight so he actually comes up on the outside of his plant foot, and he actually releases the disc a split sec before pivoting thru Many euro players drive thru stuck on their plant foot and pivot thru after release(jesper lundmark) big american arms rotate on the heel as they are coming thru to release, will schusterick(sorry if spelled wrong) couldnt be a better example, watch him in slo mo
Really thin on content. I also noticed that before he mentioned heel pivoting, Avery clearly pivoted on his toe. Also, nose down vs. up was mentioned, but not talked about. Most newer players lose distance due to nose up throwing, which results in big climbing hyzers. Throw some technical stuff in there guys! How much wrist snap does Avery use? Show us how he moves his hips to avoid rounding, how keeping your head down (which he doesn't do well) can improve distance just like in ball golf.
My opinion (Avery may disagree). Work to your strength. Will is not as powerful in the chest, but has a springy gray hound like build that spins like a ballerina on steroids. He attains very fast hip rotation, massive arm speed and the fastest release speed on the planet. (I've heard 135 mph). Some of us may attract attention at the beach with pronounced Pecs, but rotate like Frankenstein. Our chest is our strength. For distance ballerina beats Frankenstein, but make the most of what you have.
These videos are really helpful however I do have one issue; the Disc Mania guys have themselves posted in this comments section that these are for the relatively new players however why then does a video that tells you how to throw backhand, only concentrate on the drive?!?!?! I know the pro's generally drive>putt, drive>putt etc etc but new players (like me) also have to throw the shorter, mid-range backhand shots which no-one seems to cater for. Come on give me some useful tips on that too :)
Could use some more time on Grip, cant quite get a clear picture of how the disk is held, its mentioned but goes by fast. How about some still shots, top down, bottom up, pov,
Just played disc golf for the first time today. My backhand throws were hurting my elbow and I read up and learned it could develop into tendonitis. I really wanna enjoy this game without injury. Does anybody have anything I should focus on to avoid elbow injuries for the next time I go out and play? Im 17 years old and I play golf fine without elbow injury. Please let me know how to throw the disc without hurting my elbow. Thanks in advance!
Nope, not Cradams. And it's his explanation in the pro tip that was confusing. He mentions power and accuracy, so it makes you wonder why anyone would ever do a toe pivot, power and/or accuracy are generally good things. I'm just saying that it's contradictory with no backup. I'm not saying he's wrong, I would just like to know when and why he uses each different pivot method...and why.
Why Will is teaching to NOT pull through your chest to get maximum power and distance, and youre teaching completly opposite way? Check video called Driving instruction - Will Schusterick. I dont have any clue whats the right way anymore.
Some players vary from heel to ball depending on distance needed. When throwing maximum distance they use heel, Avery is throwing down a not so long fairway here, so not maximum distance needed.
I found that very odd too until I realized it's a half statement. They don't mean "nose down" from a "horizontal disc", they mean "nose down" from "nose up disc". If the disc leaves your hand nose up, it will go high and stall fast, and shot will be short. Keeping the nose down (disc straight) will keep your shot low to the ground and maximize distance.
The pros would shit bricks at the courses around where I live. All these courses I see on youtube are on open fields with maybe 1 or 2 trees in the way. Every course around here has 3 trees minimal right in front of you or super long straight shots between trees.
I have the same problem. Maybe 4 meters wide gap between trees. I really hate that sound when the disc hits the tree. You have a perfect throw and then *kops*
these really aren't so "DEEP" in the game, are they? just the basic info that can pulled from tons of other videos on line, seeing the previews before all this came out, i was getting really excited. im a little let down, was expecting so much more :(
Avery, man let me tell you. Since I started playing last year, and looking at many videos and everyone in my ear trying to tell me how to throw, within the last month when I saw this video, it changed my game big time. My distance increased so much and really lower my score. Then I watched the others in the series, putting and dealing with pressure and they all have helped my game.
I am a black guy and I don't see many of us playing at this time :-) , but I took only one throw for me to fall in love with this game. I hope more do start to play because it is a great game. Again, great videos from you and Jussi Meresmaa.You have a fan here dude!
Our target group is players with 0-3 years of play. Content may be thin, if you expected to hear / see something for pro Disc Golfers. Our mission is to spread the information of Disc Golf and that has to start with the basics. Some of these tips and techniques are deep in the game for most of the players out there. And how you pivot, depends how much power you want to put on your throw. Finesse throws should be pivoted on ball.
I'm a huge fan of Avery now. These are simply the best instructional videos EVER. Those who disagree are just myopic or simply full of jealousy.
I started learning disc golf 8-9 months ago and I have learned how to throw a good back hand, but when I first started there wasn't a video this detailed. All you new people will learn the most from this video because he talks about important things like grip, and timing. Watch the video, learn the backhand and then come back and thank this guy!
After years, this is, hands down, the best instructional video I've seen. Gives beginners the mechanics and control! Excellent teacher and superb camera work!
I really appreciate someone putting out a high quality product. The camera and editing work done on this video is excellent. I view a lot of DG videos. This is among the superior quality works. Love the high speed shots showing the flight path. so many times videos loose the disc.
So far the series of videos has helped a lot. I've been playing for about 8 years now, and I have been a forehand player from day 1. I forehand right and putt/midrange with my left, therefore both having same flight patterns and thats why I never really learned to throw backhand for drives. But after watching this video, I am going to at least go out and attempt what was mentioned in this video. Putting video was also helpful. Sometimes it's good to just go over the fundamentals.
I think these videos hit the sweet spot! Not too long, not too much word salad. They wisely focus on the key components of the shot and give you some useful phrases to take on the course with you. That is not in and of itself unique, but this series adds great video production and camera work. If you are already a pro, you may not get all the detail you want, but what do you really think you are going to get from an 8 minute video?
This is great material, I don't know why so many people are being overly critical. This could have saved me a lot of wasted time and energy when I started playing disc golf. What a great resource for future generations of disc golfers. Thank you discmania for your hard work!!
Honestly this is one of the best instructional vids on throwing backhand I've seen on here.
Just wanted to say thank you for the video! I have been playing disc golf recreationally for years, but have had no actual technical instruction. I'd hit a plateau in my game- but after watching this I had some major breakthroughs with my backhand. This video was perfect for what I needed to learn- it was clear, simple, well shot, and showed me the basics without overwhelming me with too much at once. Thank you, I look forward to truly representing the ladies with my newfound technique :)
Heel pivot is crucial. Just like the muscle groups in your arms and shoulders, the heel pivot utilizes an entirely different group than the ball pivot. You can feel it just standing up. Rock back and forth from heel to ball.
Liking this set of videos, the pivot tip in here along with the chin-up tip on the putting vid have really helped me.
I'm readin' some hate in the top comments... I've been throwing for about a year now and this is a great video for me. Awesome form to emulate, and in my opinion, a lot of "in depth" that I can use.
I really enjoyed the video, as a player still in the early stages of learning, this helps out greatly! I enjoyed the quality of the video, sound and how they slow down the video cleanly and different angles. Discmania keep up the videos rookies need all the help!
Excellent -- I've been playing for 5 years and this is a nice refresher. I know the big D video is coming as well.
For the next round -- perhaps addressing some common pitfalls and misconceptions -- make it a progression.
This is easily the best backhand instruction I've seen so far. There's some good videos out there, too.
I dont know what djfinesse1 is talking about, but I LEARNED proper disc golf throwing techniques from these videos and began playing just this year in March. I played my first tournament this summer and got 3rd in intermediate which most of the guys have been playing for 3 yr + . I can only thank discmania and avery jenkins n crew for letting us watch these FOR FREE!
Great video! I've been playing for about 8-9 years now and love the sport. My skill level varies a lot depending on the day. Most days I can be competitive at the advanced level. Some days I can beat pro's and some days I would be lucky to place in the amateur bracket. These are great tips and have already made me more consistent in my game. Thanks
Thanks for the comprehensive advice. The grip, the motion, feet movement... thanks!
Great videos Avery! I have watched them multiple times and each time I get something new out of it to help my throws. No complaints here. Maybe an Anheiser shot video?
I have not tried the heal pivot yet. In this video early while demostrating the 4 step drive he clearly piviots on the ball of his foot yet preached pivitong on the heal later. However I do love his videos I find them informative amd professional. I am goping to try this heal technique later today. Thanks for posting...
being a forehand player for a while i seen this video really help and actually matched my distance maybe even more
3 years after starting to play I figured out one of my main problems as a RHBH. Before I made the change I'd average around 285 ft. Every once in awhile I'd throw 320+ but it was rare if I did and if I threw it where I wanted to. I first saw the inspiration on Will Schustericks video and had to come back to this one to make sure. I always would have my disc trail my hand on the pull through. My hand would always lead. The change was to have my hand on the outside of the disc. The disc being sandwiched between my gripping hand and my body. Right off the bat I'm averaging 50 feet more, consistently. Since I'm not forcing the throw like I was before I have a lot more control because I'm getting more torque, more spin and more snap. I just need to work on my timing for when I do throw now and I time it I throw 350+. It is amazing how a little, tiny change can have such an impact.
Hey, I see what you mean. So you pull the disc from the rim instead of dragging it through your body. Pulling = more power! Forcing my hand to drag the disc puts more pressure on the wrist flick, but pulling from the rim allows the arm to add power correctly
THe best piece of advice I learned in this video. The last step of the x-step should land at 90 degrees. Seems like a small pointer, but it has enabled me to use more force from my hips and legs. I've generated around 30-50 feet in my throws from this one tip.
I switch about a month ago using what I saw in this video and have seen some great improvement. Before I used a 4 x step drive and averaged ~65 yds. Now, I using just a one step drive, using roughly 70% of the effort as before, and averaging ~85 yds. Still getting used to the form and timing. Every once in awhile I'll get that oh so sweet throw that will go 110 yds in a straight line while not going over 6 feet high. Can't wait to incorporate a 4 step again when I'm more consistent. Thanks
these deep in the game series are the best disc golf instructional videos on the net. It would be great to have some more. I have watched all of them several times.
I'd just like to say HD makes it that much better. I'd also like to point out that it was funny as hell seeing the grass gnats buzzing Avery.
what i love about disc golf, as a "ball" golfer is that the rotation is quite similar, but on the opposite side of the body.
Heel/toe pivot is personal preference. I was always a a super long thrower and always pivoted on the balls of my toes. Much smoother.
I shaked hands with this awesome man in Deep in the Game in Kokkola! :) Thanks AVERY!
Excellent video, very professionnaly done, with a lot of stuff that can be found elsewhere, it's true, but also genuine tips from Avery himself! The subtitling in particular makes this precious for all DG players who do not master English (those from the outside world).
Keep up the good work (and issuing good plastic!) and don't bother too much about picky whiners. There is a lot of advanced stuff availabe out there for English-speaking guys, all they have to do is learn how to read.
Awesome. Thanks so much Discmania and Mr. Jenkins
His last pro tip is to rotate on the heel of your front foot during the follow through, but for all his demo drives before that he rotates on the ball of his foot.
I noticed the same but I am going to try and see. i still like his videos
I feel he's doing it because he's throwing down a fairway and doesn't need maximum distance. Some players vary from heel to "toes" depending on distance needed.
Perfect video. Straight to the point. Thank you guys!
Some of the issues you're confused about were addressed:
On wrist snap: Avery mentioned the Shoulder and upper arm being primary muscles used and the wrist being secondary.
On avoiding rounding: Avery mentioned trying to pull your arm through on a straight line, and to try to pull the disc over your lead leg on the plant. Try the lead leg visualization!
Also, I think many would disagree with your comments about keeping head down equating to distance...
great vid! pivoting on the heel instead of the ball is very awkward for me, I've been trying to work on it for a while.
djfinesse1: Sorry that you are disappointed. We admit that the name Deep in the Game as a name promises a lot. Our goal with this project was to offer deeper insight to people who has found the sport and they do not know much about techniques. Our target group for these videos are players with 0-3 years experience. That´s the mass off players. For more advanced players, we have episodes Mental Game and Monster Distance. These are areas that are not reviewed too often.
Thanks for the video. I have a decent forehand (still could use work), but my backhand isn't too great. It would usually end up going too high, and then banking hard. I'm hoping this will help me the next time I play.
Awesome video's please keep em coming.
You get more power from heel pivots but I'm not entirely sure you get the most accuracy from it. In this video I wouldn't really say he was putting much power behind his shot, it was much more an upper body shot than a full body shot. You can tweak reach back, arm speed, grip, and footwork all to increase or decrease both power and accuracy.
thanks guys, great series
Man I love this channel.
From my experience, you likely just worked a muscle group that's underused. When I first started I thought I jacked my elbow too, but after a few days I noticed it was actually my tricep muscles being sore and the pain went up my arm. Give yourself plenty of time to rest until it stops hurting, then play again, but ease into it. Don't try throwing 350+ ft drives your first time out; start small. You may also want to do exercises that work your tricep to strengthen it.
Sick video, I learned a ton a few years ago and now I'm pretty damn good compared to how I was. Still learned a ton rewatching lol. :D
Awesome video. You listed the music as Airhead and Blackstar halo, but what is the song used on the intro?
So, at around the 2:00 mark and the 3:35 mark, you show a lot of throws where you are clearly pivoting on the balls of your foot. Some of the other throws in the video, you heel pivot, and at the end you mention heel pivot helping power and accuracy. I've noticed pros teach heel pivot, but then toe/ball pivot when on the course. When do you use which and why?
A question about release. Do I open my whole hand or just my thumb and let the disc come off of my fingers? The reason I ask is because Avery mentioned something about holding on to the disc too long, grip lock or something. I do something like that occasionally and to be honest they're my longest throws. Sure they're off course but they go hella farther than my average throws.
Good instructions, thank you!
Hey Avery,
I believe I am an intermediate disc golfer and throw just over 300'. I recently got two muscle sprain on my lower neck while throwing power shots. Trying to understand if those sprain were caused due to follow through or no warm up problem. Please help me to understand the ways to reduce injuries so that I enjoy disc golf through out my life.
How about what the non-throwing arm should be doing, back angle, etc. There are plenty of beginner resources out there, I was really hoping this series was going to be "deep".
Nice la Mirada is pretty close to where I live
How do you control the nose angle? When I take the disc back should I just make sure the nose end is lower than the back end on my reach back?
Somewhere I got the idea that both feet should be placed perpendicular to each other and a line drawn through them both should point directly at your path of flight. As I have watched the pros and videos like this I am seeing this is not what anyone does. Also in my own game as I can throw harder I am finding I tend to release what would be late according to what I originally thought.
SO, what about the feet? I have not seen anyone address this. THOUGHTS?
Anyone used the 'mvp' brand disc much?
Our local shop JUST started carrying em.I use mostly innova & discraft-am looking for something similar to the Discraft-'stalker esp ' & Innova's 'ape' & 'blizzard in the mvp brand just as i noticed i liked the feel of their edges.
Dude I just started these videos, and I can't believveeeee....OOHHHHHH that's what's it about! ;-P
Holy sh.t a video with subtitles!
Is the x-step critical when just getting used to even throwing? I typical do a weight shift but ultimately am trying to get comfortable with throwing.
Take it 1 step at a time. For long distance drives the x step is a necessity but not until you feel comfortable with it. Do the towel drill. It definitely helps! Check out drills from Danny Lindahl, Loopghost and Dan Beto (youtube). All very informative
I know this question is off topic, but I haven't really played since I was 14, and now I'm 18 and have gotten much stronger, and I went and played a few weeks ago I went to a course and I kept throwing really far (375+ ft average) but it was about 150 ft from the basket because I'm rusty. I have 4 innova Beast's and other discs the are stable and fly pretty straight, so should I throw more overstable discs and do you know any decent ones because I will be going to a tournament sunday?
What discs are you driving with in the intro footage? The neon 1 and white 1?
cool, well i will definately look forward to those, monster distance should be interesting, since it really all comes from more mechanical correctness than raw power and strength.
Does an armband add power? If so I'll take three
Thank You :) helped me alot! :)
Is that the jomezpro intro music?
Is he in La Mirada in LA?
How far do you consistently throw off the tee? I've been playing 10+ years and until 1 week ago have always "armed" my discs maxing out at about 150 - 175ft. I started getting more interested in proper form and increasing my drive distance but even trying all of the tips I've seen on youtube and using the x step I still can't break that 175ft mark. For the life of me I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
www.heavydisc.com/p/the-form-crash-course.html?m=1 This blog breaks down form in a really great way (with videos). Check it out!
Ive started off with stable mid ranges and putters. Some people say to throw them at least 200ft before moving up to a slower driver. My discs will make it to 200 from time to time. But the dont tent to go to straight. I feel like Ive tried so many techniques but same results. Ive tried slowing my arm down but that seems to make it worse.My elbow feels like its going to blow after I throw for a while. This is for forehand cuz that come more naturally. My backhand is so much worse. Need help PLZ
Hyzer type of shots you do most of the time on your toe,anhyzer on your heel.
I really don't know about the rotating on the heel tip. I've never been able to do it without yanking the disc to the right. I get enough power on the toe anyway.
awesome ! you got a new sub :)
keeping the head down doest matter, but keeping it still in whatever position you happen to have it helps, and also letting your left shoulder (assuming RHBH) push your head through your shot on follow through, the equivilent of keeping head down in golf.
what disk do u use
“I zoomed in on his feet; he pivots on his toe yet he says heel,” 8 years later.
That was awesome:O
During the whole video I was surprised to see Avery not rotate on his heel... then the protip was to do just that :)
its actually kind of decieving, u can see it in a close up of his feet at round 4:15, he is shifting his weight so he actually comes up on the outside of his plant foot, and he actually releases the disc a split sec before pivoting thru Many euro players drive thru stuck on their plant foot and pivot thru after release(jesper lundmark) big american arms rotate on the heel as they are coming thru to release, will schusterick(sorry if spelled wrong) couldnt be a better example, watch him in slo mo
Really thin on content. I also noticed that before he mentioned heel pivoting, Avery clearly pivoted on his toe. Also, nose down vs. up was mentioned, but not talked about. Most newer players lose distance due to nose up throwing, which results in big climbing hyzers. Throw some technical stuff in there guys! How much wrist snap does Avery use? Show us how he moves his hips to avoid rounding, how keeping your head down (which he doesn't do well) can improve distance just like in ball golf.
My opinion (Avery may disagree). Work to your strength. Will is not as powerful in the chest, but has a springy gray hound like build that spins like a ballerina on steroids. He attains very fast hip rotation, massive arm speed and the fastest release speed on the planet. (I've heard 135 mph). Some of us may attract attention at the beach with pronounced Pecs, but rotate like Frankenstein. Our chest is our strength. For distance ballerina beats Frankenstein, but make the most of what you have.
These videos are really helpful however I do have one issue; the Disc Mania guys have themselves posted in this comments section that these are for the relatively new players however why then does a video that tells you how to throw backhand, only concentrate on the drive?!?!?! I know the pro's generally drive>putt, drive>putt etc etc but new players (like me) also have to throw the shorter, mid-range backhand shots which no-one seems to cater for. Come on give me some useful tips on that too :)
Could use some more time on Grip, cant quite get a clear picture of how the disk is held, its mentioned but goes by fast. How about some still shots, top down, bottom up, pov,
I have the technique but I still can't throw it that far what do I do
What is that white disc Avery is throwing?
ambidex0med I think that it is a P-Line PD Freak but I'm not completely certain
I wish I could get distance like this
You say should rotate on your heel but looking at the throws you made earlier in the video you rotate on the ball of the foot more than the heel.
Just played disc golf for the first time today. My backhand throws were hurting my elbow and I read up and learned it could develop into tendonitis. I really wanna enjoy this game without injury. Does anybody have anything I should focus on to avoid elbow injuries for the next time I go out and play? Im 17 years old and I play golf fine without elbow injury. Please let me know how to throw the disc without hurting my elbow. Thanks in advance!
I have tendinitis from disc golf and dr. Said I will lose my arm if I keep playing. My friend already had an amputation so now I’m scared
if anyone knows the song at the beginning and end lemme know
80s movie rock montages disc 47 track 12 - here comes the bad guys
Nope, not Cradams. And it's his explanation in the pro tip that was confusing. He mentions power and accuracy, so it makes you wonder why anyone would ever do a toe pivot, power and/or accuracy are generally good things. I'm just saying that it's contradictory with no backup. I'm not saying he's wrong, I would just like to know when and why he uses each different pivot method...and why.
the videos just started....
Why Will is teaching to NOT pull through your chest to get maximum power and distance, and youre teaching completly opposite way? Check video called Driving instruction - Will Schusterick. I dont have any clue whats the right way anymore.
1:56 Avery actually rotates on his ball, not on heel.. World Champion can't get the technique right.
He said it's better, not that he does it.
Some players vary from heel to ball depending on distance needed. When throwing maximum distance they use heel, Avery is throwing down a not so long fairway here, so not maximum distance needed.
Jerry Ross sighting
Can't really understand the nose down statement. Nose down for more distance? They just dive into the ground if I try that.
I found that very odd too until I realized it's a half statement. They don't mean "nose down" from a "horizontal disc", they mean "nose down" from "nose up disc".
If the disc leaves your hand nose up, it will go high and stall fast, and shot will be short. Keeping the nose down (disc straight) will keep your shot low to the ground and maximize distance.
why are his shoes so squeaky
Rob van winkle?
The pros would shit bricks at the courses around where I live. All these courses I see on youtube are on open fields with maybe 1 or 2 trees in the way. Every course around here has 3 trees minimal right in front of you or super long straight shots between trees.
I have the same problem. Maybe 4 meters wide gap between trees. I really hate that sound when the disc hits the tree. You have a perfect throw and then *kops*
wha? no ace?
its funny he says to pivot on the heel yet he pivots on the ball of his foot...
no.
not to say anything bad about avery, but he rotates on the all of his foot most of the video...
+Mike Mack yeah I noticed that also. I can't seem to stop doing that.
Mike Mack He's a World Champion, Must be doing something right lol
This game is almost as technical as ball golf!
I think it may be more so. I took to golf like ducks to water but struggle with disc golf.
these really aren't so "DEEP" in the game, are they? just the basic info that can pulled from tons of other videos on line, seeing the previews before all this came out, i was getting really excited. im a little let down, was expecting so much more :(