I started doing this a few weeks ago. Was really focusing on the 10 o clock release which is best achieved by this practice. At first I lost distance. But I can now throw mids 300 feet and super straight easily. So anyone reading this, it does work. Might just take a minute to fully implement. Also my nose angle was bad but have started correcting it
Soo good advice,now i see reachback and powerpocket as a two part process ,the reachback is not the long movement of the arm to the "hit/release point" it is just the starting point to get to the area where the bodys rotation "takes over" and accelerates the disc, aka powerpocket, way more than a forced arm can ever do,totally new insight about driving the disc,thanks!
I’ve been trying to speed up my elbow, but it wasn’t working. Focusing on getting the back of the disc to my right pec is actually making that happen now. Thank you! There is nothing more fun than feeling the disc jump out of my hand
Hey Nick, I like what you said about putting the disc more in the deep pocket minimizing elbow drop, so I plan to try that out tomorrow. There's a lot of good form elements that automatically fix other issues that may not seem related. And this might be one of them.
@@ArmoryDiscGolf well I'll let you know how it goes for me, as I have a problem with both - particularly the elbow drop thing, but to some extent the rounding.
Quick question; When working on driving more, does anyone else get cracks on the sides of your thumb and just near the nail bed? It's from the pressure and snap and constant wear and tear for me, but I'd anyone else suffer from this? It can be VERY sore some days requiring ointment and a bandage. Just curious
Watched the Robbie C video earlier on the 10 o' clock position before I found this video. It seems the position that you are referring to in this video would force your hand to come out at 10 o' clock. Does that sound accurate?
So is getting your disc into the pocket a more conscious, muscular movement? And then at that point, just letting the rotation take over to sling shot the disc out? Or is all of the motion caused naturally by the hip’s/body’s rotation? I’ve tried to get my disc into the position shown in the video, but it just results in me arming my disc and over-extending my pec muscles. Any help on this?
As with most everything form related, there will be nuance with individuals because we're all a little different. I use this to teach people what the correct position feels like- at first it's a conscious movement to the power pocket and then more or less automatic as the disc snaps out of it. Some people really click with this method, other people click with the idea of keeping your upper arm away from your body at a 90+° angle the whole throw. But eventually whichever method you go with, you'll build muscle memory and it will all move to a subconscious motion as you focus instead on angle, release line, etc
So do you let go of the disc? Do you have a softish grip and it rips out? Do you release your thumb to have it release? I open my hand to release and just heard I need to keep my hand closed. But that just doesn’t make sense.
I agree that it doesn't make sense haha, but yes you should be keeping your hand closed. I try to keep a very firm grip, particularly with my thumb and index finger (knuckle), and the disc just comes out at the hit point. You might shank a few as you transition to that grip, but you'll notice an immediate increase in power transfer to the disc
My takeaway here is that the elbow is in front of the shoulder and not straight in front on the shoulder! I've seen several instruction videos explaining that the upper arm should be at 90 degrees. Probably because some videos are made by people that aren't necessarily that experienced themselves.
I've found a much more common problem than pulling early is rounding caused by not pulling early enough. I did *feel* like I was pulling early when I first started doing this, but then upon reviewing my form I saw that it actually gets me to a much better position than before
Wish i could figure out grip. Been playing since 2005 and still get zero snap. Used to het close to 300' but after stopping for 6 years and coming back im lucky to even get 200' in a fckng "good" day. It makes me so fckng angry i cant even describe it. Ive improved greatly over the last year, but its obvious to me i dont grip it right because it literally wont ever snap
yeah I wouldn't worry too much about the audible sound of snap, I'm referring to the acceleration of the disc out of the hand. Grip is tricky because everyone's hands are a bit different. A lot of great info out there on different grips, though
That snapping sound isn't what is referred to as snap. That's lag induced by your fingertips. Listen to Simon or even Gannon throwing, no audible snapping of the fingers.
Thank you, everyone thinks the sound means something and it doesn't. Grip a disc too hard and you'll get that sound, it's not an indicator of anything.
It is still completely impossible to understand (by this and every other videos) how do I get my disc into this right pec position. It is unnatural position. Explain that like to a child. Hundreds of attempts and I am always as clueless what to do.
Like is needed in many of the DIY coaching vids on here, how about suggesting proper strength/conditioning of the shoulder before suggesting over-extending a forceful movement repeatedly. The novice people that the TH-cam algorithm is hooking you up with may not realize just how delicate the biometric machine(especially rotator cuff) is when isolating a force without managing the movement holistically in the full body’s machine. Cheers and thanks for your consideration.
With all due respect, I'm going to let adults be adults and decide for themselves if they're ready to throw a disc. This is teaching proper form and should lead to less injuries than improper form. I see what you're saying but it's not feasible for me to give disclaimers/warmup routines/workouts/etc in each video, but I DO plan on doing a video about disc golf training/workouts at some point in the future. I think it's a huge area of the game that is largely overlooked
This doesnt makse sense, how do people not hit the "deep" power pocket as you call it? Its literally part of the natural follow through, do they just stop their arm at the 90 degree point and swing their elbow into hyperextension? This is just another convoluted pointless lesson that nobody needed. A better lesson would be "watch Paul McBeth and do what he does." Lol
@DiscBelief it obviously bothers you or you wouldn't have commented with your useless comment, I think your mad cuz you still only throw 300 feet lmao.
@ArmoryDiscGolf, you're doing great with these tutorials. I feel like you're kind of the modern equivalent to Sidewinder22 (or, SeaBass22 on YT), who really helped my game. Us ams with fams and jobs need constant reminders and more practice than we think. It's great to see how many voices are out there today vs. when I started throwing and seeing the rise of so many good players. Keep cranking out the vids, brother!
That's it, tomorrow I'm throwing like Gannon.
I believe you 👊
samsies!!!
I’m going to use this an turn into Anthony Barrela
Same dude
@@gannonbuhr2005 you kinda have an unfair advantage NGL...
Legit advice. I started doing this a month ago and it makes a big difference
Best explanation of (and how) to get to the power pocket everyone yaps about, now I fully understand the idea AND intent, ty!
I started doing this a few weeks ago. Was really focusing on the 10 o clock release which is best achieved by this practice. At first I lost distance.
But I can now throw mids 300 feet and super straight easily.
So anyone reading this, it does work. Might just take a minute to fully implement.
Also my nose angle was bad but have started correcting it
Good stuff- I was looking for more distance, the really cool thing was seeing my discs flying straighter than ever 👍
@@ArmoryDiscGolf it's a 2 in 1 technique! Lol.
These five minute tips are really digestible for me, thanks!
Love to hear it. I can't work on more than 1-2 things at a time so I try to isolate
I appreciate the length of your video, short and to the point, and informative.
Soo good advice,now i see reachback and powerpocket as a two part process ,the reachback is not the long movement of the arm to the "hit/release point" it is just the starting point to get to the area where the bodys rotation "takes over" and accelerates the disc, aka powerpocket, way more than a forced arm can ever do,totally new insight about driving the disc,thanks!
I can vouch for this. I have been implementing this into my game for about a week now. IT WORKS!!!
Just tried this and pulled off a McBeast with a side of Heimberg followed by a raptor leg disc retrieval!! Thank you for the vid!
big time results! haha
I’ve been trying to speed up my elbow, but it wasn’t working. Focusing on getting the back of the disc to my right pec is actually making that happen now. Thank you! There is nothing more fun than feeling the disc jump out of my hand
Glad to hear 👊
Great shit, very well broken down and explained. Thanks for helping make us all less bad.
Haha appreciate it 👊
Bonus power comes from the off hand bringing mass into the center of the rotation.
The other stuff should just feel mechanical, not muscular.
good thing or I wouldn't have much power to bring 😂
That’s the beauty of this video, it leaves all that extra crap out, and plainly demonstrates effectively how to perform the desired movement
Hey Nick, I like what you said about putting the disc more in the deep pocket minimizing elbow drop, so I plan to try that out tomorrow. There's a lot of good form elements that automatically fix other issues that may not seem related. And this might be one of them.
Yessir- I think it also helps with rounding too, but I've been harping on that a lot lately and didn't want to talk too much in this video haha
@@ArmoryDiscGolf well I'll let you know how it goes for me, as I have a problem with both - particularly the elbow drop thing, but to some extent the rounding.
Good stuff. Cant wait to play my next round.
Quick question; When working on driving more, does anyone else get cracks on the sides of your thumb and just near the nail bed? It's from the pressure and snap and constant wear and tear for me, but I'd anyone else suffer from this? It can be VERY sore some days requiring ointment and a bandage. Just curious
Watched the Robbie C video earlier on the 10 o' clock position before I found this video. It seems the position that you are referring to in this video would force your hand to come out at 10 o' clock. Does that sound accurate?
So is getting your disc into the pocket a more conscious, muscular movement? And then at that point, just letting the rotation take over to sling shot the disc out? Or is all of the motion caused naturally by the hip’s/body’s rotation? I’ve tried to get my disc into the position shown in the video, but it just results in me arming my disc and over-extending my pec muscles. Any help on this?
As with most everything form related, there will be nuance with individuals because we're all a little different. I use this to teach people what the correct position feels like- at first it's a conscious movement to the power pocket and then more or less automatic as the disc snaps out of it.
Some people really click with this method, other people click with the idea of keeping your upper arm away from your body at a 90+° angle the whole throw. But eventually whichever method you go with, you'll build muscle memory and it will all move to a subconscious motion as you focus instead on angle, release line, etc
Just a few years ago, every youtuber was teaching to stay away from this position and to keep the disc further back IN the power pocket.
Good vid!
Appreciate it 👊
So do you let go of the disc? Do you have a softish grip and it rips out? Do you release your thumb to have it release?
I open my hand to release and just heard I need to keep my hand closed. But that just doesn’t make sense.
I agree that it doesn't make sense haha, but yes you should be keeping your hand closed. I try to keep a very firm grip, particularly with my thumb and index finger (knuckle), and the disc just comes out at the hit point. You might shank a few as you transition to that grip, but you'll notice an immediate increase in power transfer to the disc
My takeaway here is that the elbow is in front of the shoulder and not straight in front on the shoulder!
I've seen several instruction videos explaining that the upper arm should be at 90 degrees. Probably because some videos are made by people that aren't necessarily that experienced themselves.
I think that can be a great cue to follow to keep yourself in good position 👍
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Doing this w/o pulling too early seems tricky 😬
I've found a much more common problem than pulling early is rounding caused by not pulling early enough. I did *feel* like I was pulling early when I first started doing this, but then upon reviewing my form I saw that it actually gets me to a much better position than before
@@ArmoryDiscGolf by that do you mean pulling to the pec or pulling/ripping the disc?
@@nordicdiscgolferatrumble9430 yeah I'm talking about pulling to the pec
@@ArmoryDiscGolf gotcha
Ricky too
Ah, yeah- he's a great example, good call
Wish i could figure out grip. Been playing since 2005 and still get zero snap. Used to het close to 300' but after stopping for 6 years and coming back im lucky to even get 200' in a fckng "good" day.
It makes me so fckng angry i cant even describe it.
Ive improved greatly over the last year, but its obvious to me i dont grip it right because it literally wont ever snap
The snap he's referring to here isn't the audible snap but the snap out of your hand. If it was audible I would be throwing bombs! 😆
yeah I wouldn't worry too much about the audible sound of snap, I'm referring to the acceleration of the disc out of the hand. Grip is tricky because everyone's hands are a bit different. A lot of great info out there on different grips, though
This is so true.
dude! you may have just caused a breakthrough in my head! i'm gonna try this, will report back!
Excited to hear how it goes 👊
That snapping sound isn't what is referred to as snap. That's lag induced by your fingertips. Listen to Simon or even Gannon throwing, no audible snapping of the fingers.
that's correct. This creates the "form" snap and often also the "sound" snap too. Which is a fun bonus haha
Thank you, everyone thinks the sound means something and it doesn't. Grip a disc too hard and you'll get that sound, it's not an indicator of anything.
@@ArmoryDiscGolf well, it isn't as much a bonus as generally a slight disadvantage
@@0NicoLoco0 the disc is supposed to rip out of your hand which is what makes that sound. this imparts more spin on the disc.
It is still completely impossible to understand (by this and every other videos) how do I get my disc into this right pec position. It is unnatural position. Explain that like to a child. Hundreds of attempts and I am always as clueless what to do.
You need a maroon disc for more snap :)
I feel like I'm being petitioned🤔😂
Blue is better ;)
ive noticed that alot of these pro's are tall and skinny as all get out...id bet there are not to many over 200 pounders on the pro tour.
Like is needed in many of the DIY coaching vids on here, how about suggesting proper strength/conditioning of the shoulder before suggesting over-extending a forceful movement repeatedly. The novice people that the TH-cam algorithm is hooking you up with may not realize just how delicate the biometric machine(especially rotator cuff) is when isolating a force without managing the movement holistically in the full body’s machine. Cheers and thanks for your consideration.
With all due respect, I'm going to let adults be adults and decide for themselves if they're ready to throw a disc. This is teaching proper form and should lead to less injuries than improper form.
I see what you're saying but it's not feasible for me to give disclaimers/warmup routines/workouts/etc in each video, but I DO plan on doing a video about disc golf training/workouts at some point in the future. I think it's a huge area of the game that is largely overlooked
Because all of that is a given in literally any sport.
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This doesnt makse sense, how do people not hit the "deep" power pocket as you call it? Its literally part of the natural follow through, do they just stop their arm at the 90 degree point and swing their elbow into hyperextension? This is just another convoluted pointless lesson that nobody needed. A better lesson would be "watch Paul McBeth and do what he does." Lol
More like a pointless comment, no one cares about.
This video absolutely does make sense.
@DiscBelief it obviously bothers you or you wouldn't have commented with your useless comment, I think your mad cuz you still only throw 300 feet lmao.
@@janne932 OH 👍
This is the old methodology, and is incorrect. Please do more studying before making videos.
@ArmoryDiscGolf, you're doing great with these tutorials. I feel like you're kind of the modern equivalent to Sidewinder22 (or, SeaBass22 on YT), who really helped my game. Us ams with fams and jobs need constant reminders and more practice than we think. It's great to see how many voices are out there today vs. when I started throwing and seeing the rise of so many good players. Keep cranking out the vids, brother!
Thank you, I appreciate that! 👊
I cant wait to try this. Thanks for the tip! 🥏⛳️