[TF2] Bad Weapon Academy: Neon Annihilator
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
- Have you ever looked at a weapon and wondered "How am I even supposed to use this piece of shit?" Don't worry. I'm here now.
If I waited long enough to get into a Hydro game for actual footage on that map, you'd be seeing this video in November.
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Subnautica OST - เกม
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I love how despite the Gas Passer not working with the Neon Annihilator, it can still extinguish enemies even though it’s a literal can of gasoline
Valve: gas is non-conductive so sry no crits for u
Also Valve: gas is a liquid so naturally it can extinguish burning players
@@able_archer01”gas is a liquid”
@@Pike2Three minutes
@@Pike2 They are American, that's what Petrol is called there.
Fun fact, that's actually a bug. It's supposed to work with the neon annihilator but it must have been an oversight. Apparently they are trying to see if they can make it work
"There are other payload race maps besides hightower, people!"
yeah but nobody wants to play payload race, they want to play hightower. Hightower just happens to have a payload race inside of it.
Some section of the othrr plr maps are also great when you just want to get kills and ignore the objective
Banane bay still is very underrated, both as a plr map and a dm/no objective map.
tf2 fans after getting told the game has more than 6 maps
Has it ever occurred to you that you can just do funny DM while part of your team still does the objective?
How many payload race maps are there anyway? I renember in quickplay there were like three.
i never realized the neon annihilator had an "unbroken" and "broken" state like the bottles
Fun fact: pyro sharks use this weapon
We should make this the top comment
Damn, that's crazy
no shit /lovingly
wow
BRO REALLY????
Dear mappers: please put more fucking water in your maps. We need more pretty coastal maps in tf2
No, water buffs soldier too much
Dear mappers: Put more water in your level so i can get wet.
15:43 Demo trade deal:
you hit a cool airshot
but you basically get market gardened due to the extra boost the pyro gets
I thought that was a medic on your cross
13:51 the transition to talking about a dinosaur caught me so offguard 😭
I did not expect FSOAFS to talk about the most controversial dinosaur to ever be discussed and compare that to a funny virtual item
Holy cr*p samdaman?? Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
@@2NDSEATEROFMOTHORCOUNCIL hiii!
anyone know what game that footafe is from? :o
@@Jack0_EX well, he is a honorary Audi, so...
I didn't know even ANKLE HIGH water makes you count as wet! This is a piece of forbidden information you shouldn't have unleashed on the playerbase. Now I'm paranoid. And it doesn't help that we don't have wetness HUD indicator.
This is why it's one of my favorites. You can surprise people with instant death!
i always wondered if this was the case glad its confirmed
Always really fun to play semi-pyroshark in the pipes of 2fort. You can jumpscare people pretty well that way.
@@xXTomokoKurokiXx A weird bug happens on 2fort where you can sometimes still krit someone with it on beaches in front of each base lol.
Considering the only ones who can take advantage of this are enemy Pyros, you pretty much don't need to worry about that.
Using Subnautica's soundtrack was pure genius
Agree :)
yes sir
Aagreed
Yep. Noticed it immediately.
2:23
Can we acknowledge how much of a bad day this guy is having
Dude somehow managed to be on FIRE and then die of electrocution because the universe claimed he was also WET at the same time
This only proves that Banana Bay is the best map
Upward is still better, but banana bay is definitely the most underrated
anyone remember cactus canyon? map was awesome
If the neon and homewreaker had a reverse equalizer situation where both stats of the weapons were combined into one the neon would be a much better weapon and would actually be able to stand on its it own. However there would then be the problem of why the hell would a hammer do crits on wet players.
make a hammer with a battery attached to it (with duct tape) and powering a small shark light on the head, so it keeps that electric hazard theme and hammer theme at the same time
@@maigue5077 a hammer with a battery attached. you mean the powerjack?
it would obviously be a neon hammer, very electric
@@maigue5077 "a hammer with a battery attached to it (with duct tape)"
That's literally just the powerjack.
one day ago?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Something I noticed during a lot of this footage: The neon's crit knockback is.. kind of absurd. I feel like it should have a hidden reduced knockback stat so you don't knock enemies out of melee range.
You could follow up with the shotgun
@@bruschetta7711 that violates the pyroshark code, which states that one must dedicate their playstyle to way of the shark
why in the world would you wanna make it hidden??
Neon Annihilator: A Pyro Sharks best friend, and at the absolute least, better than Volcano Fragment.
Better than stock axe and third degree too
Man, pyro basically has 3 useable meeles
If the Gas Passer gets the recharge of 60 seconds or 750 damage(WHAT THE FRAK?!) for MVM mode and PVP mode Gas passer has 30 seconds and 300 damage recharge or 45 seconds and 450 damage recharge and counts as "wet" for the Neon Annihilator, that would be an immense improvement for both Gas passer and Neon Annihilator. I am of the opinion that a situational weapon at least needs to have a complementary stat or item to make use of it(Ex Jarate and Bushwaka combo would not work well if there was no Jarate), so the Neon Annihilator with my Gas Passer improvements would be good. If the Gas Passer Gasoline effect also gets very difficult to get rid of, plus "firing" modes you change by Pressing R when active that is Gasoline Cloud and Gasoline Bomb(50 damage fire attack, no damage falloff, Rocket AOE and does Gasoline Afterburn) that would make the Gas passer very good.
Sharpened Volcano Fragment and the Sun on a Stick aka RIFT items need to have some upside. I suggest alt fire does ranged fire attack. Scout gets a flare gun stats firebolt and the Pyro a Dragon's Fury Stat fireball with a meter to fill up. this simple change makes them a bit better, plus Scout gets some form of complementary stat on the SOAS to make use of it's upsides better. I also think that you start off empty and refill with 30 seconds or doing damage or when burning, holt alt fire to extinguish other players for 20HP and 10% charge. This makes both RIFT items much better then before.
Third Degree, give it 20% less damage and no random crits but the upside is hitting foes can siphon 20HP of health and overheal(as in, instead of HP on HIT, you take 20HP with every hit, AND siphons the medibeam Medic's health meaning you can do 40HP on hit) and alt fire is using your 35HP to do a minicrit damage attack. Would this make it better?
stock axe, I would make all stock melees do something. Stock Shovel and Kukri, alt fire is a meter that when holding alt fire is charged up for a minicrit swing. Stock fireaxe, alt fire is hold alt fire to charge up a meter that when full is a minicrit swing that also does afterburn. Stock Wrench is third hit does mnicrits. Stock Bat does Daze effect that lasts 3 seconds on every 4th swing and minicrits(Daze is a 20% debuff for movement speed, reload speed, rev up speed, firing speed, swing speed, switching speed) and put Daze on Sandman ball to make it better. Stock fists, on kill, gain plus 15% faster movement speed that stacks with other things(I also think a new core Class Passive called Rushing Slav where you switch from main damage dealer aka Minigun for plus 15% that stacks with other speed boosters as a upside would work well). Demoman, Stock bottle does 25HP on taunt press R to switch to a Bottle smack taunt kill, broken bottle does not give health has 30 second recharge, also Caber gets 30 seconds recharge to make it better. Medic, alt fire is a Disciplinary action mechanics injector syringe that gives 20% HP that can overheal and press R to self heal.
This was a lot of things. What do you think of this?
@@segadoeswhatnintendont don't forget the hot hand
The Volcano Fragment has an upside that actually applies on every map tho.
The Volcano Fragment has exactly 1 upside: It's the only way for Pyro to actually *Pyro* in Medieval Mode.
13:08 that was really sick I’m not gonna lie. Pulling off an airblast rocket jump with the Neon Annihilator is really cool, glad you got that while recording.
4:10 Found out that the Neon IS actually supposed to crit them, but it's bugged.........so yeah.......god dammit Valve. Hurry the hell up and fix your game.
I don't see what he's saying in that clip
@@godlyvex5543 "because that weapon needed to be more useless apparently" (the gas)
3:37 lmao a guy called Urinal Enjoyer being at the receiving end of a Sydney Sleeper rampage. TF2 just has the best usernames.
I believe in part, the NA was meant to play not just with water in mind, but against a player's instinctive reaction. Fire bad, water make fire go fwsh, go to water. With that, the described playstyle of... playing Pyro makes the most sense. Especially on a spot like Pier, set someone on fire and 9/10 times they're gonna go for water if they can't heal it off or have their own pyro extinguish. Even moreso scouts and snipers extinguishing themselves, the viability can increase a lot if the pyro player has the awareness and mobility to catch them out.
I think the extinction of the Spinosaurus was less because he coudn't compete with carchos and more that everything eatable starts to die out. Carchos went excintc around the same period, so I don't think they were water dependant either, at least as much as Spinosaurus.
It's just that Kem-Kem was a river-heavy place and once the water started to dissapear everything dried out and they all died. Tragic
You know what would be cool? A water gun for pyro. It'd be able to extinguish teammates, spycheck, and would indirectly buff the neon.
something like a pressure washer so it can actually deal damage too, that would be dope
That Spinosaurus comparison is oddly fitting given the fact the Pyroshark play style is just that of a heron and it does not thrive well outside of very wet maps.
The fact that the gas passer can't combo with the neon is absurd to me considering pyro is very much _the_ combo class.
I understand why this exists, as flare pyros are helpless while submerged underwater. It just needs a buff to help them while active and underwater like a faster swim speed or health regen while submerged.
God, Fish, you are in RARE form for the comedic timing on this episode. Genuinely chuckled out loud 3 times by the time you reached the tierlist joke
One of the most fun times I've ever had on Pyro was on a random weapons server on 2fort, I rolled the Neon, the tideturner, and ali baba boots. Needless to say that was Megalodon of the sewers.
Ubersaw - TF2s best consistent melee weapon. Never been garbage its entire history.
The Eyelander barely changed as well. The Powerjack changed a lot, but it has never been garbage either. The backscratcher is also an underrated, yet consistent melee option.
Yes but it's another problem. Ubersaw being so good makes every other option not worth.
Market gardener
Sure, direct upgrade (with only 1 good option to compare it to) is good
The solem vow is actually pretty good to use.
Knowing the enemy health is really good when you need to choose if to retreat or attack.
20:17 also i just really like the term "instigate moist encounters"
The Neon Annihilator should also crit when the wielder is wet. Reverse bushwaking a sniper would be hilarious.
10:45 a beautiful moment between two gamers. Both after the same goal, but on different colored teams.
I did _not_ expect Fish to be a paleo nerd, but I'm very happy that he is.
People also tend to panic and hop into water when on fire. So you don’t even need to airblast them to the water when they run in themselves. That’s usually where I pull this out
The amount of maps in this video I've never even heard of is a testament to how few maps the people often play on.
No, that is a testament to how few maps YOU play on. Not others lol
@@casperryborg4869 I mean sorta? Maybe? I play on zero maps because I don’t play TF2, I consume TF2 content, so all of my knowledge comes from watching videos, and certain maps are more popular for content creation. But I suppose that my not playing on any maps does have an impact so yes, you are technically correct.
I think the Neon Annihilator would actually be good situationally with one small change: Speed boost while wet. Now it's a counter to mad milk and jarate and it works in those maps with the bad water spots because you get to boost through them as utility. Obviously it has to be faster than the powerjack to be worth it, but it'd be nice.
Wait, the Neon Annihilator's a bad weapon? I never thought it was and I've seen a lot people use it? This is news to me.
How to tell someone plays to much 2fort
@@adversarry I haven't play TF2 in a long while. I thought it was common knowledge.
It’s very situational and pretty much only “useful” on maps with a lot of water, but even then you’re better off with other melees that provide more use
@@abitofananimator5716 see, this is my problem. Pray tell, what melee provides more use? All of them are situational as all hell it just depends on what situation you want to cover. The homewrecker, powerjack, third degree and yes even the Neon Annihilator all have situations they're great in. but otherwise why would you ever pull it out even at close range when you literally have a primary designed for close range?
@@lilsunny7399that's why the powerjack is pyro's best melee; it provides a function that is useful without having to be used as a melee weapon.
I haven't been as shocked since the Huo Long Heater episode.
The neon annihilator should be able to shock the people you hit or smth💯💯💯🥩
Stun mechanics fucking suck 💯💯💯
I tend to use this weapon often even on map that don't have a single patch of water, but it caugh ppl so off guard when they see a pyro jump at them with fire and a sushy shop sign
You forgot to mention the best quality of the Neon Annihilator, the guitar/bass sound that plays when using taunt 😎
It's fun finding other Pyro Sharks and chilling in the 2Fort sewer and just playing the taunt
While gasoline does not conduct electricity, the sparks created by electric arcing should be enough to ignite the gas fume, potentially causing a spectacular explosion if the fuel-air mixture is of the right ratio. So yes, Gas Passer should totally work with Neon Annihilator irl.
I personally prefer detailed spreadsheet over a tierlist, it's somehow saddening what the attention span of some human became. Thank for giving a link in the description.
8:14 The Subnautica music is a nice touch, even though it's barely hearable
I love the neon as a diet homewrecker whenever there is any water on the map
wait the neon is a bad weapon? what will the pyro sharks think about that?
I think Pyro Sharks are currently considered an invasive species
They're responsible for the 42% decline of Spy Crab populations
1:23 I felt the need to let you know I laughed audibly when you said the “shark bait ooh ahh ahh” joke
One of your best videos, I think. The gameplay clips were good and flashy, showing some higher potential of the weapon than just sitting and waiting. And the extended segment ranking maps with water was important.
Great job on this video fish, I can tell you put a lot of effort into this one! Keep pushing on!
20:16 "instigate moist encounters" is the worst euphemism I've ever heard
It ain't a fish vid without some paleontology autism and I'm all for it.
As an avid dino nerd, wasn't expecting the Spinosaurus comparison in a TF2 video. Yet it is INCREDIBLY on point and welcome
the "SHARK BAIT BRUHA HA" got me ir was hilarious
This is one of your funniest episodes. Your jokes are well timed and clever
I have to say, I didn't exepct a "Ranking TF2 maps by the amount of water" tier list video.
Either Joshie (contractor for TF2) or Eric Smith replied to an email recently about the gas passer not counting enemies as wet so we might genuinely see it changed this year just like with other weapon fixes we got the past few years that were clearly bugs like the Iron Bomber hitbox.
Don't forget the basement in Doublecross, you can chill just around the corner at the T-pipe in sewers and get the crit cause their toes are in 1 hammer unit of water
I'm glad you're working in a lot of your paleontology stuff in here, it's good to see you incorporate your passions into you work.
The tier list joke has to be one of the best this series has ever had
I litterally discovered frontier had water 2 weeks
This honestly quite the curve ball. I didn't expect that you'd ever make a video on this weapon!
Still makes more sense than his plans to make In Defense Of videos on GRU and Flying Guillotine
"The Homewreker hability to destroy zappers doesnt help as much as you think it does"
*Proceeds to show a sentry that would have survived if the zapper got one-shoted*
My solution to the Neon Annihilator is the crit applies if you are wet, it would make the gasser passer more useful if it made you wet
I appreciate the extra effort that went into this video
Suprise suprise, the fish on a stick doesnt like the shark weapon
That shark bait joke has to be one of your best jokes. I haven't laughed that hard in a while
You increased and improved your music roster. It's nice!
Pyro Shark as a sub-class is the GTA 5 Dog Roleplay of TF2.
Easy fix for the neon, add rainy maps that you get wet when you go out and when you go inside you lose the effect of wet
tierlists are basically the ''can you dumb it down for me'' version of spreadsheets
i had a ideia of a "flamethrower" to combo with the neon annihilator,
Basically, is not a flamethrower, is a waterthrower, does -50% damage, applies the water effect thing instead of after burn and have +50% holsters speed and have waterblast instead of airblast, waterblast is capable of applie the water thing with a more ranged attack, having a range equal to the stock grenade launcher and a damage with reverse fall-off 20-50
probably someone made a similar ideia before, but thats it
In regards to Spyachungus's gameplay footage used here
When he owns, he owns, but when he gets owned, oh boy, he gets OWNED.
that gibus pyro whacking the sentry with the powerjack was so cute lmao
Make it so when the weapon is out, and the player is wet, they get a speed boost. This'll help the pyro close the distance on an escaping enemy, and make the pyro really a shark.
pyro. a class known for lighting things on fire.
pyro shark: literally the antithesis of that.
Fish, can I just say I love your choice of background music. From Deus Ex to Subnautica your music taste never misses.
*in a biology expert voice*: _"aquatic turtle engineers and pyro charks have a symbiotic relation ship whit each other; as the pyro sharks are especialised predators of spy crabs and have the abilities to destroy their sappers, things that are dangerous to the buildings and eggs of the turtle engineer, the turtling engineers let the pyrosharks hunt and eat the spy crabs and destroy the sappers, in a similar way to the relation ship beetwen eels and shrimps, in enchange for hunting the spy crabs and helping the nest the turtling engineers not only do not prey on them, but offer protection against targets better especialised against them, such as large groups of pyranha scouts or exotic animal hunters."_
It’s also worth noting that a major flaw in the pyroshark is the ‘air blast enemies into water’ Strat requires you to air blast enemies… and then chase them with a melee weapon, two points you brought up but didn’t necessarily combine
"Instigate moist encounters" Is by far my favorite thing that you've ever said.
Great video, fish. Tierlist joke was good, caught me off guard
That Neon Noodle reference was not on my 2024 bingo card.
Soemone: *calls the neon anihlator bad*
You have alerted the pyrosharks
Yeah
16:07 I think I'm starting to understand the argument...
This episode of Bad Weapon Academy was secretly the pilot for Fish's next series: Dinosaur Documentary Academy
I remember a real fun time at mercenary park teaming up with a jarate sniper defending the last point with the neon, he was just spamming jarate from the spawn and i was down behind the ramp waiting for blus to come and get wet lol
Loved the usage of the Subnautica OST, it's such a brilliant reference to a very water-centric weapon.
The spread sheet was so much better than the tier list. And it was very simple too.
ok the tier list joke got me, that was really good, also i enjoy the subnautica ost for the bgm its very appropriate
Playing subnautica music for a water based weapon is cute. Good job on that Fish
i was about to say that the neon annihilator would be great on sniper because of jarate. then i remembered he already has the bushwacka which is pretty much the exact same weapon.
Erm, ackshualy, there are a lot of factors that can go into whether the gasoline can conduct electricity including ethanol concentration, temperature, and ethanol purity. ☝️🤓
"Being on a map where it rains doesn't cont as being soaked."
My god, can you imagine?
I own a Professional KS Strange Neon Annihilator. I got it with my Strange Red-Tape Recorder. We have fun.
1:30 Lee Harvey Oswald is crazy as a sniper class
The tangent to talk about spinosaurus was well appreciated.
I gotta say, the jokes in this one really got me. This is definitely one of the funnier BWA episodes you’ve made. Sharkbait, ooo ha ha!
YOU use the Neon Annihilator for the memes.
I use the Neon Annihilator because I never got the Homewrecker.
We are not the same.
The fucking Gwonam's Gweat Adventuwe shoutout not even 1o seconds in is sending me; I discovered that shit a few weeks ago and I've watched it like 5 times since
"hey. HEY! It's a tier list now!"
That's... that got the biggest laugh out of me all week.
Something I would find fun on top of the Gas Passer "buff" would be Guaranteed Crits when wet, that way you can get more aggressive in wet maps and pull reverse-bushwackas on dry ones
I'm shocked to learn about the puddle on Frontier
The biggest problem with neon annihilator is that its not really 'worth it' its bending over backwards to get melee crits in the niche situation of being wet. other weapons like the powerjack or axtinguisher make it more worthwhile to resort to melee. and they don't need you to get into an environment that renders your primary weapon useless.
I could see something like increasing swim speed would be a fun buff for it! and maybe a 15% speed boost while wet too.