IS THIS THE SOLUTION FOR EASY SILKY MILKY?: Nanofoamer Pro Review
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Regarding the temperature, they are working on making it even more precise. Apparently mine had a couple of issues from this first factory run, but it's understandable. They can't use a probe like in electric kettles because how prone those are to building up gunk.
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The quality and enjoyability of this video made me want to thank James and the team for the effort!
Excellent review, thank you so much! Would've loved to see a try out with oat milk or other substitute just because it's always a known problem, but this made me very happy. I backed this as soon as I saw their kickstart announcement! Can't wait to receive mine and the extra handelles jug! This is awesome for the at home user! I've been using the Nespresso milk frother on the machine, can't wait for the perfect foam and try some art.
is the kickstart still on or is it in production phase now?
Exactly what i was looking for, thank you!!
Backed it to my flair58, glad it can deliver a usable foam now I look forward to receiving it.
Got mine on order - eager to get my hands on it! I don't have a microwave nor a steam wand so this is perfect for my use case. Just hoping I can get a decent workflow figured out when doing 2 or 3 cortados/macchiatos back-to-back.
WOW! Thanks for the video. I have a milk frother from my days drinking Nespresso. It always made the foam too stiff by the time the milk was fully heated. The foam was never integrated into the milk. I would never have believed it possible had you not demonstrated. Things that make you go hmmm.
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I’ve been using the Dualit version for over 8 years. Just received my ‘Subliminal’ nanofoamer Pro. I look forward to trying it out.
I’ve been using mine for 3 weeks now. I’m happy. Great latter texture. I can’t do art with it but the drink experience is as good as fancy bar. I use flair 58. I don’t feel the need to get a machine anymore. Great job !!
Cracking video. Great insight. Even with the nano former heat fluctuations it looks a fab little product. And it matches the modern kitchen too.
I can't wait to get mine. As soon as I saw this I immediately backed it on kick starter.
Can’t wait for your views on the Nurri and Londinium (and hopefully a Strega with only the larger spring).
I can't wait to receive mine! With the picopresso as my main brewer, this will help with workflow tremendously compared to the nanofoamer.
did you get it? Would love to hear the review. I bought their nanofomer v1 off the kickstarter. Not disappointed but was never able to achieve the perfect textuer.
@@alkachauhan7612 I can vouch for its performance. It literally creates quality microfoam with a press of a button. It's just about dialing in how much foam you want. The only downside is the cleaning part. I thought a quick rinse would be enough but you always have to brush the inside walls especially at the bottom cause milk can burn and stick to it. My hands are a bit big so its uncomfortable to stick it in and get a sponge down there.
oooh i was just rewatching all your silky milky tutorials!
I have a device (heater/foamer) just like this in my kitchen, bought a couple of years ago. It's marketed for making foamy hot chocolate.
Happy to see this review. Now patiently waiting for this to arrive to be able to offer guests milks drinks with my Cafelat robot. I would be interested also in seeing if you can pour art from the pitcher and not transferring.
Another excellent video, Lance! I am wondering if the significant temperature variance has anything to do with the starting temperature of the milk product that you are using. For example, if you use milk directly from the refrigerator versus milk that has been sitting on the counter for 10+ minutes in a warm kitchen. It seems that the final temperature of the steamed milk could be different depending on your starting temp. Did you control for such a variable in your testing?
Great video. Looks like a very handy product. I'd probably keep warm water on hand to pop into the Nanofoamer Pro right away after pouring the foamed milk out. I wonder if running the foamer with warm water would work to clean it?
Thanks for the review! I decided to stick with my Nanofoamer Li for now because of the ease of cleaning and it being less finicky. I might reconsider buying the Pro later after more user feedback. The price of it shipped to EU + taxes is still close to what the retail price will likely be here anyway.
Perfect companion for the Bambino!
Nanofoamer masterclass is actually how I first heard about you. I had just turned into a coffee weirdo from James Hoffmann, got the Flair Pro 2, and thought I'd get a nanofoamer to pair with it.
I also jumped on the Kickstarter on this because it just seems nice to get good silky milky on easy mode. I'm also looking forward to the Nanofoamer Pro breaking my monopoly of making lattes at home whenever someone wants one.
This is basically like a better version of the nescafe foamer. The easiest way to clean that thing out was to just add water to the fill line, add a drop of dish soap and run the foaming cycle again.
Kinda really surprised he didn’t compare to the Nespresso one that is almost identical ( and I’d argue with a better/less fiddly foaming spinner implementation / design) which has been around for maybe 15 years now - I’ve been using mine for 6 or 7 and would love to know if this is a worthwhile improvement.
I think we can do better than Nestlé.
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No nespresso foamer i have ever used had produced anything close to the type of foam you need for latte art. It doesn't really texture the milk or leave it creamy, just makes some foam you can scoop ontop of your drink.
@@dylanevans5644 Whilst I appreciate your reply - anecdotal experience isn't the same as a proven comparison. I've always decent enough results - not steamer-wand levels, and the Nespresso one used almost the exact same system so I'm not sure assuming one is much better really cuts it - hence a comparison would be straightforward. Even if the champions was "This is MUCH better than that".
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Are you talking about the nespresso milk frother that has the small whisk that drops onto a nub at the bottom and has a coiled spring like disc that spins?
This is the style I have seen most often, and most other manufacturers are a variation on this. Some foams come out better than others but none are comparable to the foam from an espresso machine.
I must have used about 20-30 or so of these types of frothers (they are popular at work, and I work contracts) and not one makes foam like an espresso machine or this nano-foamer.
Of course my experience in anecdotal, but the comparison is, in my mind at least, virtually pointless.
Gave it another go using Lance’s tips and I actually think it’s pretty good.
I think the other point of the nanofoamer pro that since it doesn't use steam to froth, which introduces water even so little, is there's less water solution and any potential flavors from the water in the machine transfered via steam.
Hi Lance, what a timing… I just purchased a Nanofoamer Lithium and watched your (awesome) master class. I trained with normal milk today (and made delicious silky milky pancakes afterwards) and had really good results. Been thinking about the Pro as well of course. However, regarding your review: You could do a follow up comparing it with different milk alternatives. My wife and I drink only oat milk cappuccinos, and I have a really hard time getting good results with the Nanofoamer. Our go-to barrista oat milk brand uses only oat and inulin (no oil) in their recipe. Its quite hard to get the silky milky with the french press, but it is possible. With the Nanofoamer, it is frustratingly impossible to even get a little bit of foam. Now I have purchased 5 different oat milks will different recipes and will try to master the silky milky with the Nanofoamer. I would be really curious how difficult it is with the Pro to get decent results with milk alternatives (like, you buy 10 different brands and compare). Cheers, and thanks for the effort you put in this!
I found the same. I use oatly these days and a local supermarket oat milk (m&s barista oats for those in the UK). The rest of them just don't work for me but these two are perfect!
I'm looking forward to receiving mine, as it'll save some time at home running this while I pull the shot.
I got it - you'd think it would save time, since it just involves putting milk in and pressing a button. But in actuality, the clean up process is quite time consuming and aggravating to perform. Also, I'm not a fan of the microfoam it produces.
Love the video! How much does it weigh - do you think you could travel with it? Cheers.
was looking forward to this review for a while now as i supported their KS months ago! thanks Lance. they mention in their FAQ that it is possible to pour milk directly from the Nanofoamer kettle and still be able to make great latte art. have you tried that?
Good luck, i'm excited for you! Can't wait for mine either!!
I guess you could pout straight from the kettle but it looks a bit awkward
Then you would ensure this piece of junk gets even more milk crust by waiting longer to clean it.
4:21 LOL… Last school year I was working with my 2nd grader on a science project, trying to help her use magnets + an electro magnet to turn a fidget spinner into a motor. We were brainstorming if we could find a way to suspend the fidget spinner and power this miniature whisk I have in the kitchen. But there was also a moment where I looked at my v1 Nanofoamer and thought that’d be cool to rip out the nanofoamer shaft instead of the whisk
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Just got mine......Amazing....real game changer ......Oat milk is no problem.
Still enjoy steaming but the Nanofoamer Pro is soooo good !! 😊
Thanks bro for this vid! what probe is that?
Great review. How does it hold up with oat- and almond milk in direct comparison? We are fortunately mostly beyond dairy products these days.
i know thermocouples can be thrown off by magnetic/induction stuff. might want to try again with an old-timey style of thermometer
I noticed can make reasonable microfoam with regular milk frothers that have a sufficiently weak motor so that the spinner is only able to pull in air (displace the milk) at the very beginning of the whip.
My delonghi has a 'weak' setting that's supposed to be used for milk warming but it works pretty well for this. It's not perfect though and I need to fill it very high so I'm excited for this product.
No fair.... you are talented enough to do outstanding micro foam using yak milk direct from the teat!
I've been testing one for a couple of weeks now too, and have similar great experiences. Interestingly, my very first try felt like it didn't heat enough and Dominic told me he increased the temperature based on tester's feedback. I guess people like their silky milky hot! 🙂
The lid only fits one way, so I never had issues with that.
For cleaning, I put water in and a drop of detergent, and let it run on one of the programs. I always have a glass of water standby when I use the manual NanoFoamers, so in that regard this is the same. But there's definitely less build-up of stuff in the impeller than with the manual versions. Maybe because it heats the milk slowly while spinning?
Do you think there's a flavor difference of slowly heated milk compared to "slam it with steam"? I'm with Team Lyndsey here!
Do you mean that this one might have a higher temperature beep and that's why it was beeping late? Can't wait to get mine
@@x3BobO I think there are 2 things going on with Lance's temperature test compared to mine. I have an earlier prototype that maxed at 60°C, but the later ones (like the one reviewed here) should do the second beep at 65°C.
Someone commented that a thermocouple probe can give weird readings due to the magnets in the base. This might explain why it cooled down so much after pouring into the cup, and why it didn't taste burned. I've had milk heated up to 70°C by mistake, and it's pretty obvious as the flavor impact is not subtle at all. 😉
hi
i try it with program 2 and 220ml milk
but i get too much foam and i can't make latte art .. can you give tips
@@fahd4696 I use different settings for different types of milk, you need to try some presets with the included flow controllers. My go-to is usually the black flow controller with P2, but every milk froths differently
@@danymeeuwissen5973 i try black flow with program 2 and 3 but the milk too foamy to do the latte art ,
i don’t know why : /
ordered mine awhile ago, but i do wish you were a little more clear on min size. I do think one of the issues I've had with many frothers in the past is that the minimum amount of milk to use was far more than was needed for a single cortado or macchiato and it felt highly wasteful.
Looks pretty good. I almost backed it to go with the Meticulous machine but cleaning process didn't seem like it would as easy as a traditional steam pitcher cleaning. And meticulous came out or are coming out with their own more traditional steam wand type solution with automated or manual modes.
I think the fact this one can do cold foam is a big plus and very cool. Its also cheaper. Size limit isn't ideal though if you have to make multiple large milk drinks at the same time but that's not something I'd normally do anyway.
Hmm too hot though can't that ruin the sweetness of the milk?
That's my concern too
For those wondering about the temperature. Submininal just gave a enxplanation in kickstarter and everything is correct 😊
Perhaps. He is still testing. My probe was not on the base plate. And I had times the machine never turned off and essentially boiled the milk
As someone who rarely has milk drinks, based on this review I’m happy I jumped on the campaign for one of these to pair with my meticulous (whenever it arrives).
Same 😂
Hope that works out with Meticulous
I’d be me interested in purchasing one of these if I wasn’t so disappointed with the quality of the handheld subliminal nano foamer. The button on mine barely works (even right out the box) and it was clearly constructed in the cheapest way possible. The impeller outer ring cracked after two months of daily use/cleaning since the mesh ring is only a tight press fit. Clearly the materials were not good enough, and the price was just way too high given the issues I have. Since this product has so many more moving components, I’d really be nervous as to the longevity long term.
They're complete garbage, as evidenced by the nonfunctional thermistor, and cost cutting design where you can't even set a temperature.
Awesome! Just bought one!
Hi Lance!
I know nothing about steaming milk. I currently own an Aeroccino 4 and wonder if this is a worthy upgrade?
I might have to pick this up to make some Aeropress lattes down the beach. The only thing that somewhat bothers me is the cleanup for this unit; however, based on this review right here, it seems like you could get something that is latte art rather than something that is a frothy mess.
I used a splash of 5% vinegar diluted with water to remove proteinaceous gunk from pots and pans (cheese, cheese sauce, meat juices, etc.) I bet it would clean out the milk scum from the bottom of the Nanofoamer. Starting a milk cycle would likely help --a little heat and some agitation. Then a quick rinse with plain water to remove the vinegar residue.
Backed the Kickstarter, used it couple of times and it stopped working (doesnt even start up)
Contacted subminimal, sent out a replacement jug after about a week of communication (they're not very responsive).
Got the second one, worked for a couple of weeks and same thing happened. Ive done all to make sure my unit is dry (wiped everything with kitchen towels before switching it on) but still it blows.
Milk texture is not consistent, sometimes its great but half the time there ARE bubbles and ive made sure I've lined everything properly.
The cleaning is a nightmare. Ive washed it immediately but the burnt milk made it so hard to clean without scrubbing it. For the price i would have expected more or at least a pleasant user experience but im now back to my aerocinno (yes i know its shortcomings but at least it is easier to clean and hassle free)
I guess you can pour som room temp water into it as soon as you finish to rapidly cool it and prevent the milk from burning and causing the scum. Plus you can also toss the lid back on with the impeller submerged in the water so the milk doesnt dry out and cake on.
That's exactly what I plan to do
That’s exactly what I’d do, and what I do with my NanoFoamer. Lance’s caked up screen on his original NF made me a little sad 😂
Damn, I looked that Nurri Leva machine the whole video, is just gorgeous
I've had mine delivered in the UK from 3rd party.
So far very much enjoying it. Full fat milk. Have tried 1 and 2 setting and let it run past the ok every time to get hotter milk.
So easy.
This made me feel good about my backing. Got a unit with all the bells and whistles on it. Now i just need to uograde my flair pro 2 to a 58+ and find a good electric grinder on par with my C40MK3 which i use since 3 years for espresso 😅
Would have been perfect for my RV camping but bought a breville , which really only makes cap foam . Always interested in low compact expresso products . Nice machine . Still looking for best compact ? Expresso maker . Not for home . Hugo was a disaster
man, i am looking forward to this.. take my money already!
That's so ingenious :O
It is pretty sad that they did not use induction heating, the milk would not stick to it. I have thrown away two of my foamers because of this. I had been using a Catler induction heating foamer for 10 years and it is still like new. I went for Nanofoamer because of the foaming technilogy used, so again the foamer would have been perfect with induction heating, plus using PID for temp control.
Was water filling and do the steaming will clean this before having a cloth cleaning ?
Love to see your take on the ubermilk for commercial cafes, if they ever get around to releasing it!
The only ubermilk I’ve seen in the wild was at a Krispy Kreme in the Brisbane airport
@@tommypequinot5414 maybe a prototype for field testing? Cool concept though! we had a similar thing in the UK but the company went bust recently it looks like
For me, a product at this price needs to be much more precise on temperature, for me to consider buying it. I hope they fix it!
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Does it stand the "wobble" test that you show on older videos?
Also, how does it compare to the dozen of $30 models on Am**on?
Hi Lance! Is there a minimum milk volume that has to be in the nanofoamer in order to use it?
100ml
Cant wait for the nurri review
Whoa! Is this the first time his wife is on a video? Imagine having a coffee ninja in your house every day! She’s lucky. My wife gets a coffee wannabe.
Nice review.
That takes longer than a microwave followed by the nano and is harder to clean.
It should produce a better texture though as it looks like it tries to aerate at an optimal temperature.
I would love to have that gizmo for controlling texture.
Huh. You must have a powerful microwave. This would be shorter for me. Between microwave and texturing, it takes me a little over 2 mins.
I microwave a boro-silicate jug for 60 seconds which I multitask with knocking out and cleaning the portafilter. If I microwaved for 90 seconds it would make no difference to my workflow.@@chadw6593
Running a cycle again with water instead should be fine for cleaning. In fact, an in built cleaning cycle with no heating would be a useful feature
Does it perform good on freeze distilled milk, Lance?
Where can we order it from?
Not on you descriptions or Amazon. Only the manual foamer
Does it make good milk foam with small volumes like 30 grams for, say, a cortado with a smaller shot from a flair?
Anxiously awaiting the Meticulous Milk review!
Lance, being the classy guy he is, obviously reads Standart magazine in Japanese, like we all should :) 2:41
I cant wait for mine to arrive too! Now i dont have to go hide somewhere to pump a french press of milk after microwaving it and people looking at me thinking im weird.😅
Those are the words I've always hoped to hear 😍 "an exciting new development for people streaming milk at home" ...it's just, such beautiful words ❤️😂
Thanks for the review, this could be a good option…i put my money on a meticulous milk..but the workflow for this is a no brained. I wonder if they make it in white.
Great video Lance 👏
So close to pre-ordering, but why can’t we pre-select a desired temp? Why can’t it hold at that temp? I think I’ll wait for v2.
Hey Lance! Could you tell me your recipe to brew espressos with TW beans? I’ve been losing my mind over it! Been trying for months. Watched yor videos, ad couldnt get a balanced cup of espresso with them :(
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To me he sounds exactly like Danny McBride
What happens if you start with 5°C milk? 25° is pretty warm already
Hi @Lance Hedrick, I ordered this nano foamer pro based on this video in october with the kickstarter. I was told by nov, i will receive it. I havent received it yet and cant wait for the delivery. By the way, I have a jura z10 that gives a decent espresso for a super automatic coffee machine. But cannot get latte art because of the milk texture. I am hoping nanofoamer pro will come to my rescue for me to be able to make latte art. I have been advised to get gaggia classic pro or breville bambino( or plus) with a baratza sette grinder instead by coffee enthusiasts at work. Can you please help with tips on how we can get latte art from super automatics in general and with jura z10 without having to buy another manual coffee machine? This is more for a leisure day hobby rather than daily routine. I am not looking forward to another alternate setup because i am the only at home taking coffee and have already spent $$$ on the jura z10. Not sure where else i could ask so reaching out to you for help. Thank you for inspiring a lot of us to venture into latte art.
How does this compare to cheaper options like the InstantPot milk frother (~$30)? More adjustability with the settings and paddles? Better quality frothing wand? More consistent temp and texture results? Just curious since there is such a large jump in price for essentially the same function
Foam quality. Most other frothers I've seen make foam that is not even close to being microfoam and very few can make something that's even possible to make latte art with at all, never mind well.
those milk frothers just froth the milk and create bubbles. They don't actually make microfoam to texture the milk
For the algorithm.. Love the videos
"Lemme just casually pull a shot on my Londinium Vectis here"
One hell of a teaser for the next (?) video!
Finally, milk foam PROPERLY done.
They should produce a Kettle in this design ☝️
Hopefully they can work out the lid and the milk scum in the next few years
Crazy to watch the view go up as this was just posted half hour to hour ago.
So now lance can review the ecm puristika which has no steam wand an espresso machine I really like because of how skinny it is and so Lance review the version having the flow controller if you please!
How would it compare with the Nespresso Barista machine. The Nespresso is not difficult to clean at all. Plus it can be used to prepare different menus
cheers!
Oh hey hello Lindsey the professional latte enjoyer, welcome to the channel!
It is going to be interesting how it compares to a small thermoblock steamer like, I imagine, the meticulous milk
Agreed, especially having accidentally backed both. I have a feeling I will hate cleaning this one though.
I'm skeptical about whether the meticulous milk is genuine. As of last month I've never seen an uncut video of it actually working - only very suspiciously edited trailers. I'd love to be proven wrong though!
@@nicktohzyu The meticulous milk is only a concept / very early prototype so far afaik. They said something of the sort in one of the last backer updates. Yes it's taking a chance but there are very few steam wand only alternatives out there
My "Out-of-my-league wife" lol. Well done Lance, well done!
I have the same problem of milk scum on my breville auto frother (the giant $120 one). It's awful to clean. Any products that can help with that, other than just scraping it away?
I imagine cafiza would work well on this piece of garbage.
If you want to compare the foam with that from a steam wand, shouldn’t you add some water to the milk in the foamer to match the steam added to the milk by the steam wand?
Lanca lance please , make a turkish ibrik coffee guide please
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Does this really work? Cause i bought the nanofoamer. Its chucked somewhere in the kitchen..i couldnt get it to make decent silky foam. Just full of fat bubbles or foam that wont stay. Ended up wt a coffee latte rather than a cappuccino. Kinda fedup of buying various items that fail to live up to their claims. Do let me know if its really does what it says its supposed to do. Thanks.
I'm waiting on the Meticulous Milk, but I wonder if I should just get this in the meantime...
Don't suppose anyone knows when they're going to make this available in Japan?
8:10 Hello! How much milk did you use for this cup? I'm trying to use it, but the temperature is not hot enough for me. The foam is thicker when it continues to heat and stir😢
You are amazing at latte art and could pour great after whisking with a fork. 😂